Bollyn on DBS, Hufschmid, Piper, Thorn, CIA

**PatColo** · 10th September 2012, 02:16 AM

The above Bollyn article sparked a couple MCP podcasts flaming Bollyn. MCP's flame efforts are quite void of substance- really boiling down to calling Bollyn silly names like "kinky balloon", and saying he's a big dummy head.

Mami's shit blog has been posting all (?) of MCP's podcasts, recently with this graphic,

The Piper Report 2012.09.09

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**PatColo** · 16th September 2012, 08:35 PM

latest in Piper's ongoing pedantic smear campaign against bollyn (& other topics too), haven't listened... off hand I say shame on any "patriot" who props up the cruel hoax that our vote counts whatsoever... FAKE "ELECTIONS" - Why Ron Paul Can't "Win"

The Piper Report 2012.09.16

Piper's official endorsement of Obama for the next presidency of the USA, some stuff about kinky balloon again. Mark Glenn shows up and much much more!. LMAO

Mike Piper Report.com

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**PatColo** · 22nd October 2012, 07:59 AM

This discussion MP3, a recorded phone conversation between Eric Hufschmid and some Israeli operative supposedly named "Hogarl", took place in Aug '09 but I just stumbled upon it. Eric describes it this way:

In this conversation, Hogarl tries to convince me over and over that the Jews are beating us. I responded with some issues that I think are very important for you to understand, and I suppose the criminal Jews don't want to hear this. Namely, that I think the Jewish crime network is losing, and that they suffer from two fatal flaws that will cause them to lose time after time. Here is that phone conversation, missing the first minute or so. He hangs up on me at the end, or his phone disconnected by accident.

Hufschmid-Hogar-2Aug2009.mp3 7.1 mb, 60 mins
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So it's an hour long, where the two are arguing round and round about whether the zionist crime network is "winning" or not in their goal of taking over the world.

Early in, "Hogarl" is asked what country he's from, and he vaguely identifies himself as "European", declining to be more specific. His Israeli accent is conspicuous. While Hogarl's Israeli-Jewishness is obvious, it's never said openly. Within just a few minutes though, Hogarl stops referring to Jewry as "they/them/their", and openly refers to them as "we/us/our".

The rest of the hour is all Hogarl trying to convince Eric that djooz are winning in their joo world order agenda, and Eric pointing out all their failures and how quickly people are waking up to djooz' big lies and to the JWO conspiracy, and insisting that djooz' trans-generational organized crime network's centuries long demonstrated talent in swindling money is different from "taking over the world". Hogart counters that with all their swindled money, they can (and obviously DO) buy politicians, armies etc. They talk openly about the holohoax (@ 23:00) and 9/11 being zio-crime network scams.

The fact that this conversation is from 3 years ago makes it at least as interesting, because we have the past 3 years history to review now, and see how some of each of their points have played out. Consider that the zio crime network has still not been successful in their ordering USA to holocaust Iran.

**PatColo** · 11th March 2013, 04:51 AM

I was just poking around Bollyn's site. It's been a gripe about his site that the most recent articles posted on the main page, eventually drop off that page some months later, and have a permalink which is different from the "anchor link" which they originally had while they were main-paged. But he does have them organized by subject; here's one:

Articles by Subject

The Cure for Disinfo

**PatColo** · 2nd June 2013, 09:34 AM

from a less appropriate thread:

Originally Posted by learn2swim

I'm sure most people here have heard of "Christopher Bollyn", and his exposure of Zionism and 9-11.http://www.bollyn.com/about-christopher-bollyn/ I was researching the "Rockefellers" came across this: He's related ,Royal bloodline, to "Anne Boleyn" the Queen of England http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Boleyn The Rockefellers are also related to her:

William Avery "Bill" Rockefeller, Sr. (November 13, 1810 – May 11, 1906) was the father of American oil tycoon and billionaire, John Davison Rockefeller (July 8, 1839 – May 23, 1937) and William Avery Rockefeller, Jr. (1841–1922), who both founded the Standard Oil company.

The Rockefellers trace their patrilineal line to Goddard (Gotthard) Rockenfeller (1590) of Fahr, today part of Neuwied, Germany. The first Rockefeller to settle in America (1723) was Johann Peter Rockenfeller (1710, Segendorf, Neuwied; 1787, Amwell Township, New Jersey), who changed his name to Rockefeller. Godfrey Lewis Rockefeller was a son of William and Christina Rockefeller.

Lucy Avery was born to Miles Avery and Malinda Pixley, New England Yankees of mostly English descent. She was descended by her father from Edmund of Langley's first marriage (through 5th Baron Audley's second marriage)[1] and from Mary Boleyn's first marriage (through the 2nd Barons de la Warr).[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rockefeller,_Sr.

Mary Boleyn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Boleyn

I'm not sure if he ever mentioned his connections to the Rockefellers....

MCPiper was trying to make hay of the above allegations a couple years ago when they started feuding. With those 4 links you provided, you oddly didn't cite above WHERE you came across all that-- wasn't something with an MCPiper byline was it?

I see now what you're likely referring to in the bollyn.com link-:
The Boleyns and the English Bible

February 3, 2011

I'd say Bollyn prolly posted that in response to Piper's trying to make hay of the ancestry as being somehow discrediting of Bollyn. I dismiss it personally, Bollyn's "fruits" speak for themselves.

**PatColo** · 27th August 2013, 08:05 PM

I still listen to Piper podcasts when Mami's Shit posts them, and I've run out of more interesting podcasts. It's worth linking into this thread, how MCP was part of the MGlenn/HTillawi/MCP team which launched an offensive campaign against Sandy Hook skepticism, then later against Boston skepticism. This untenable campaign which MCP and GlennCo @ TUT launched & persisted with ultimately caused me to publicly abandon support of them all.

So Piper's still at it in this latest podcast... posturing himself as the big 'anti-shill', whilst shilling away through the show about a variety of people & topics:

The Piper Report 2013.08.26

The sloppy ‘research’ done by so many in the ‘truth movement’ and how it is utilized by our enemies against us.

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Posted by zapoper at 7:23 PM 3 comments:

this 3rd commenter @ Mami's got it about right:

Christopher Marlowe said...Piper keeps making this same stupid argument:

1. People who are lazy conspiracy theorists believe in stupid theories without checking them.
2. Critics make fun of these couch potatoes, and they make all conspiracy theorists look bad.
3. Some people believed crazy ideas about crisis actors.
4. Therefore the Sandy Hook and Boston bombing conspiracy theorists are wrong.

But there are people on Sept Clues who think that the JFK conspiracy was a hoax, and that no one was killed. People can come up with foolish theories about anything.

Piper knows that kids were killed at Sandy Hook because he has some "well-known names" that saw them. He doesn't have any death certificates.

It's sad that Piper and Mark Glenn have lost any sense of reason when it comes to Sandy Hook and Boston. They made their minds up long ago, and have stopped thinking about the matter.

August 27, 2013 at 5:55 PM

**PatColo** · 13th October 2013, 09:29 PM

Bollyn in response to a reader comment, http://www.bollyn.com/index.php#article_11686 :

Question: Do you receive the American Free Press (AFP) newspaper? There are two copies in September 2010 that try to convey that they are right on top of the 9/11 issue, which makes me annoyed, as you are the one who has done all the serious research.

Bollyn Responds: This question came from a person who has been reading my work for a long time. No, I don’t read AFP, which is a newspaper I wrote for from 2000 until October 2006. The newspaper is run by Willis Carto and his lawyer friend Mark Lane. According to information gleaned during a lawsuit in which Lane was suing L.T. Patterson of Criminal Politics, Mark Lane acquired the assets of the Liberty Lobby in 1994. This indicates that AFP is nothing but an asset of the C.I.A., which runs it as a controlled opposition mouthpiece.

Mark Lane is an old Army intelligence agent from WWII in Germany. Lane played a key role in the Jonestown massacre, which he witnessed and is said to have instigated by using fear tactics on the paranoid Rev. Jim Jones. This is similar to what AFP does to its readers.

Lane’s relationship with AFP explains the paper’s bizarre actions I observed as I got closer to the truth about 9/11.

AFP is now publishing articles about 9/11 that suggest that there were no planes on 9/11 (see “Absence of Real Photo Evidence Leads to Video Fakery Speculation”, October 11, 2010). In an article from September 20, 2010, Makufka asks whether “mini-nukes” were used to bring down the WTC. These “disinfo” articles are written by Scott R. Makufka who writes under the name “Victor Thorn”.

Makufka and his girlfriend Lisa Giuliani teamed up with Michael Piper after I was attacked by undercover police. They sought to impugn my credibility and claim my research as their own in a concerted Zionist effort to marginalize my work, and have me prosecuted and thrown in jail.

Scott Makufka and Lisa Giuliani were part of the anti-Bollyn disinfo hit squad, along with Michael Piper. Why would AFP turn on its own reporter after 6 years of good reporting?

It is very clear from the evidence that Boeing airplanes hit the Twin Towers, the only question is exactly which planes they were. Photographs reveal that more durable parts, such as landing gear and engines from the aircraft, landed on the streets of Manhattan.

This engine from the aircraft that struck the South Tower landed on Murray Street. The parts of this engine are all marked with specific numbers that would identify precisely which aircraft they belonged to. Why haven’t they been shown to the public? Why the secrecy about exactly which jet engine this is?

Every time-tracked part of the aircraft is numbered, such as this piece.

This landing gear would also contain time-tracked parts with specific serial numbers which would precisely identify the aircraft that struck the tower.

All of these aircraft parts were collected by the F.B.I., which was under the command of Michael Chertoff, the Assistant Attorney General…

...who authorized for the aircraft evidence to be taken to the dump at Fresh Kills…

...where they were treated like garbage – not as crucial primary evidence from the scene of a mass murder.

Why would Michael Chertoff, an Israeli national and the son of an Israeli Mossad agent, allow such critical criminal evidence to be treated like garbage? Why wasn’t this engine taken to a high-tech FBI crime scene lab (like we see on television) and its time-tracked parts compared with the maintenance records for the planes said to have been involved? There is only one logical answer to these questions: the aircraft parts were not examined and shown to the public because they are not from the planes that are said to have hit the Twin Towers. The FBI and U.S. military only solve such crimes on TV shows, not in real life. That’s part of the deception.

**PatColo** · 28th October 2013, 10:19 PM

I'm only a few minutes into this podcast (far enough for MCP to have already worked in his requisite, vacuous "kinky balloon" dig), but description suggests Piper's going to school us about the shills & frauds we need to be leery of....

My skepticism of MCP has only grown this year since he's been the most persistent barker of the Tillawi/Glenn/Piper trio who absurdly maintain that Lanza really did Sandy Hoax as .gov tells us, and also that the Boston charade is as zio.media.gov have presented... and that suspecting/investigating/discussing otherwise is harmful to "our movement"...

1h 20m:

The Piper Report Oct 28, 2013

Michael Collins Piper discusses: Agents within the movement, literally under every bed, some of them knowing who they are and what they are doing, others who simply do the enemy’s dirty work while believeing they are doing something good.

Show-page FINAL JUDGEMENT lecture [Mossad connection to JFK]

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**PatColo** · 29th October 2013, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by PatColo

I'm only a few minutes into this podcast (far enough for MCP to have already worked in his requisite, vacuous "kinky balloon" dig), but description suggests Piper's going to school us about the shills & frauds we need to be leery of....

I've since heard this whole thing ^. At 1:09:00, Pied Piper (< like "kinky balloon", only funnier) says:

"[...] You know, someone can be an AGENT, working for somebody or some intelligence agency, or some force, and genuinely be anti-zionist, or genuinely be a critic of Israel. But they may still have another AGENDA. Because even some of these intelligence agencies have, how can I put this; you know, the left hand doesn't always know what the right hand is doing. [...]"

Heh, surely a coincidence that MCP seems to be describing MCP there ^...

I mean, a shill or a con artist would NEVER have the AUDACITY to aggressively posture themselves as "#1 shill/con watchdog", would they?!?

Which brings us to:

Originally Posted by PatColo

My skepticism of MCP has only grown this year since he's been the most persistent barker of the Tillawi/Glenn/Piper trio who absurdly maintain that Lanza really did Sandy Hoax as .gov tells us, and also that the Boston charade is as zio.media.gov have presented... and that suspecting/investigating/discussing otherwise is harmful to "our movement"...

Pied Piper & John Friend have been at odds over Sandy Hoax. On Wednesday Sept 26, JF had MCP scheduled to come on JF's show to discuss their diverging opinions on the subject [ref: last paragraph here]. That MCP/JF discussion didn't take place as scheduled, and I asked JF in the comments in his next blog, for some clue as to why? Click on the date links below for originals:

PatColo September 27, 2013 at 10:24 PM

John, anything juicy you feel at liberty to share with us as to why the formerly planned podcast with M.C.Piper to discuss Sandy Hoax (ref: end of you 9/21 "A few quick notes" entry), didn't take place? It was apparently up in the air at the end of your recent DeNugent podcast, when you mentioned that you weren't sure whether or not the Piper discussion would happen the following day as planned.

I realize you need to walk on egg shells a bit given that you & Piper are currently AFP colleagues. But I was really pining to hear that Sandy Hoax discussion, given how completely alienated I was by Piper/Glenn/Tillawi's anti-S.Hook-skepticism campaign introduced last January. Again, see my essay: "Abandoning support for The Ugly Truth podcasts":
http://tinyurl.com/afh5gl7

And of that TUT-trio, Piper was disappointingly the most virulent in his subsequent months' podcasts in employing the joowey "ridicule" disinfo gambit in seeking to discourage/mock S.Hook skepticism; which he then carried forward in also seeking to discourage Boston skepticism.

Also see: "Bollyn on DBS, Hufschmid, Piper, Thorn, CIA":
http://tinyurl.com/mtgphxb
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John Friend September 28, 2013 at 12:04 AM

Well, there's not much I can share. It was scheduled to take place this past Wednesday at 10am PST, then it was cancelled pretty much last minute. I don't know what's up. I hope it will take place, but something tells me it won't... Piper's position is simply untenable, and I think that's why! LOL, Mike Piper is easily one of the best journalists and writers in the independent media, but he is just wrong on this, in my view. We'll see what happens, but I doubt the discussion will take place.

So Pied Piper apparently penned another hit piece, published in AFP, condemning skepticism of only certain "events", presumably including Sandy Hoax and Boston-- but only AFP subscribers can read it presently, so I'm speculating.

John Friend, who's also an AFP staff writer, wrote a rebuttal piece which he submitted to AFP for publication, but they declined to publish it in their print or online editions. Yesterday JF published it instead at his own blog:

Monday, October 28, 2013

Sandy Hook shooting: Where's the proof?

Note: this article was written and submitted to American Free Press for review, however, it appears it will not be published in the newspaper or on the website. Therefore, I have decided to publish it here. I ask readers to provide feedback in the comments section. -JRF

The alleged shooting at the Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut in December of last year has caused quite a bit of friction and disagreement amongst the staff at American Free Press. Here I will attempt to explain my views on this controversial subject, which stand in stark contrast to the position taken by Michael Collins Piper in his recent article entitled, "Internet Rife with Disinformation: "Cyber Shills" working to misdirect, embarrass legitimate conspiracy researchers," published on page 18 in issue number 43 of AFP’s print edition.

I took a keen interest in the alleged Sandy Hook shooting from the very beginning. The Connecticut State Police and news media reported that on December 14, 2012, a 20-year-old young man named Adam Lanza first shot and killed his mother, Nancy Lanza, in their Newtown, Connecticut home before driving to the Sandy Hook Elementary School and going on a shooting rampage, murdering 20 children and 6 adults at the school – truly an amazing, and highly implausible, feat allegedly accomplished by a young man with no known military training. According to the official narrative of the alleged shooting, Adam Lanza – the “lone gunman” – shot all but two of his victims multiple times, firing 154 total rounds in a matter of minutes. Many have questioned the plausibility of such a scenario.

The alleged Sandy Hook shooting scenario conveniently aligns with the hysterical anti-gun agenda and planned destruction of the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution long promoted by certain organized political factions.

more: http://www.john-friend.net/2013/10/s...res-proof.html

**PatColo** · 7th November 2013, 09:43 AM

Monday, October 28, 2013

Sandy Hook shooting: Where's the proof?

Update Wednesday, October 30th: I'm happy to announce American Free Press has published this article along with Michael Collins Piper's article on their website. The full title is COMPETING VIEWS: INTERNET RIFE WITH DISINFORMATION; SANDY HOOK SHOOTING: WHERE'S THE PROOF? Be sure to visit American Free Press and check out Michael Collins Piper's article, along with mine. Also, if you are not already subscribing to AFP, you should be!

Note: this article was written and submitted to American Free Press for review, however, it appears it will not be published in the newspaper or on the website. Therefore, I have decided to publish it here. I ask readers to provide feedback in the comments section. -JRF

Note above ^ that AFP reconsidered, and did post JFriend's article above.

So MCPiper's latest podcast is one of his most nauseating yet in his beating the "agents everywhere!" drum (projection? it's my guess!), and denigrating SH, Boston & now LAX skeptics.
http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2013/11/...ov-4-2013.html

It goes roughly like this,

"[inane strawman] fake HUH-HUH-HUH, [inane strawman] fake HUH-HUH-HUH, [< repeat ad nauseum]"

His bombast reminds me of AJ! Were JFriend to challenge him to actually address, point by point, his excellent SH-Proof? essay above, I guarantee MCP will run not walk, same as he did with John's formerly scheduled podcast with him to discuss SH.

To read an alt perspective on AFP, Piper, Carto, Lane & others, from former AFP reporter Chris Bollyn-- go to his homepage,
http://www.bollyn.com/index.php
and use your browser's CTRL-F word search function for any of those names above, to jump to his fairly recently posted recollections of his experience there. His homepage is a mile long and takes a couple mins to load even with a broadband connection.

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