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    Re: Swiss may grant unconditional income for all

    I'll try what the swiss are smoking.
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    Re: Swiss may grant unconditional income for all

    haven't listened,


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    On the Sept. 30 edition of "Beyond Exposure" by AFP Roving Editor Mark Anderson, the guest is Francois de Siebenthal, one of the world's most active and knowledgeable monetary reformers. Learn about the Universal Basic Income (UBI) proposal in Switzerland, which was first covered by the AFP newspaper in the fall of 2012. The UBI is seen as unabashed welfare by some, but as a necessary civil freedom by others. This proposal, for which enough ballot signatures have been gathered, may pave the way to free citizens from their debt shackles by providing purchasing power outside the interest-bearing-loan racket, even though it may carry some social welfare tenets that many conservatives have been led to believe are always a negative. Tune in for a challenging and provocative look at this little-known development.
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    Re: Swiss may grant unconditional income for all

    Was all that real gold coins? They said 50 tons dumped on the street, 400,000 swiss franc gold coins. It looks like more than that though. That looks like several million coins. I have a hard time believing they let folks walk all over it, toss coins about, etc.
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    Re: Swiss may grant unconditional income for all

    Just some clad coins.

    I was still impressed they got metal coins for their demostration
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    Re: Swiss may grant unconditional income for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    Was all that real gold coins? They said 50 tons dumped on the street, 400,000 swiss franc gold coins. It looks like more than that though. That looks like several million coins. I have a hard time believing they let folks walk all over it, toss coins about, etc.
    It was probably fünfrappen coins, a cupro-nickel alloy coin, that have a value of 0.05 CHF. So you get 8 million of these gold look alikes for 400.000 Swiss Francs...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fünfrappen.jpg

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    Re: Swiss may grant unconditional income for all

    They are where the Templars ended up.

    neutral two world wars and did all the banking...or WW2 would not have been possible.

    They are connected to London and Rome.

    The population is only 7 million...there you go...the banking system in Switzerland in relation to the population is massive.

    The fed wire in 2003...had 3 Trillion dollars worth of bits flow through it.

    If Obama was the savior and not a puppet that could be disintegrated in the blink of an eye.

    he could just tax that a tad.

    every day on average 8 billion flows into the US government and 10 billion out...with 2 billion a day being borrowing...or treasury issuing.

    so the debt limit has to be raised by 2 billion a day just to sustain the debt and not default.

    3 Trillion a day through the FED wire.

    8 billion a day through the federal Government.

    Which government is bigger?

    Not the one headed by the zombie.

    a tax on the fedwire of .004% = 12 Billion dollars a day...enough to more than supply the US government and eliminate all the current income taxes...so there is some weird math going on here.

    Well Switzerland has a massive banking system in relation to its population way bigger than the one in the USA.

    Zurich is the number 6 global financial center.

    and Geneva is number 8.

    That is really the only thing that sustains Switzerland now...the money laundering operation.

    It's interconnection to the global trade system.

    When the USA caves in...they will be blown out.

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    Re: Swiss may grant unconditional income for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Shami-Amourae View Post
    Damn, first time I'm been dissappointed with Ramzpaul. Seems he picked up a Communist earworm over in Europe. Not looking forward to his new utopia of the rulers paying everyone a "living wage", which is just enough to waste your life sitting on a cheap couch watching their mind-numbing propaganda. Of course it will be illegal to do anything else, because it will be deemed "not fair" to others. Damn, Ramzpaul.... just damn.
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    Re: Swiss may grant unconditional income for all

    Quote Originally Posted by VX1 View Post
    Damn, first time I'm been dissappointed with Ramzpaul. Seems he picked up a Communist earworm over in Europe. Not looking forward to his new utopia of the rulers paying everyone a "living wage", which is just enough to waste your life sitting on a cheap couch watching their mind-numbing propaganda. Of course it will be illegal to do anything else, because it will be deemed "not fair" to others. Damn, Ramzpaul.... just damn.
    What if he's right though? How will we deal with automation? More and more people will be out of work as time goes on. How can free-market Capitalism work when most people aren't needed for work anymore?

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    Re: Swiss may grant unconditional income for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Shami-Amourae View Post
    What if he's right though? How will we deal with automation? More and more people will be out of work as time goes on. How can free-market Capitalism work when most people aren't needed for work anymore?
    if this is the case why would farmers feed the world
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