new shooting: Newtown, Conn. details breaking

[PatColo]

To me the drugs angle is the Spignola meme.

Before it was the spingola meme, it was the glennCo (glenn piper tillawi johnson) meme; spingola just got on their bus on 1/15/14 and became the noisiest advocate.

Most of glennCo's "work" in trying futiley to steer TM perceptions away from the "hoax" view, took place beginning Jan 13 '13, and then through 2013 before Dec '13 when the official joo SHoax reports/story were finally released. So glennCo's main persuation device was the ad-hom/name-calling/ridicule gambit. They really had nothing else.
http://www.911truth.org/twenty-five-...isinformation/ < see Rule 5, 18

Deanna came on board (jumped the shark) after the Dec '13 "official joo reports" release, and her disinfo MO's in promoting the joo SHoax story were mostly "Appeal to Authority", and also the "how dare you! shame on you!" (Rule 2) and the ad-hom/character assassination (against Sofia & Halbig) gambits. Oh, and the biggest joowiest one of all, not in the 25 Rules list: the Flip the Script & Project gambit.

All I can guess on why the controlled opposition elements "inside the TM" are all pushing the Limited Hangout "Big Pharma psychotropic drug effects coverup" angle, is that it's plausible, while it's also the "least damaging" to the greater JWO agenda in play. Big Pharma can promote & defend themselves with advertising, paid off white-coats, etc; but gov/media hoaxing major tragedies to enable the rolling out of tyrannical agendas; should this reality become widespread public belief/knowledge, is much more destructive to the JWO agenda.

latest AFP/Halbig interview from today, 13 mins:
http://americanfreepress.net/?p=16480

[Dachsie]

Great post. Not sure what TM stands for but understand the rest.

I am going to share some thoughts I have had and I hope I am not getting too far off topic thread but it does seem to fit in.

The "drug meme" was around I think long before "glennCo (glenn piper tillawi johnson)" adopted it. For many years Jon Rappaport (Rappaport is a Jewish name) was a fairly regular guest on Alex Jones show and while Jon talked on various mind control type subjects, increasingly over about the last three years, Jon has been focusing on drugs and Big Pharma.

Maybe there is a relationship to this idea of mine and maybe there is not but here goes...

GCN (Alex Jones, Joyce Riley etc) have most of their advertisers selling vitamins and supplements. GCN has three or four shows where the host is really a seller of Youngevity products and the show is in fact an infomercial in thin disguise. GCN shows often have "doctor" guests telling us the whole truth about "organized medicine" and Big Pharma. Some of these doctors are M.D.s but most are either Ph.D.s or naturopaths or veterinarians or chiropractors etc...

Alex Jones was a big pusher of Youngevity and so were other GCN spinoff radio networks such as Logos Radio Network. But now all of that has died down to a large extent on Alex's show because Alex now has Dr. Groom and Alex's dad (a dentist -oral surgeon) dad formulating Alex's own Infowars brand of various supplements. Rest assured this new branch of Infowars Inc. is bringing in scads of money directly to Alex and Alex does not have to just take a puny cut in the multi level marketing scheme of Youngevity. I am sure there are some behind the scenes machinations I do not know about in all of this as to who is getting money and how much from whom.

Anyway, all these people telling us how to treat ourselves and avoid establishment doctors and hospitals and Big Pharma prescription medicines send all of us to their supplement products, buying all their expensive products to do myself good as well as support the "liberty movement" and "the network". The number of ads and promos of various kinds for a huge array of different products is overwhelming and I have just had to "go it alone" in deciding for myself what works for me and what I should try and what I should not try because of price or other reasons. All of the products and info they inundate us with is unfathomable to me and I am above average in being able to sniff out a scam.

Anyway, one of the major themes of all the alternative radio networks is independence from the establishment and the "system" and by having the vital info they give us may actually make us able to better survive the "coming collapse."

So all of this "drug meme" has been subtly a part of all the alternative news outlets for many many years because it supports their bottom line money income. That is my mini-thesis on this topic of the drug meme.

I have no doubt that some of the info is very true and good to know and some of the products are high quality and worth the price, but definitely more and more the game seems to be to subtly use the liberty themes to sell vitamins and nutritional supplements.

[Glass]

I don't think Spignola is some one who would/should see the hoax of other events but is unable to make the determination with SH for some reason. Spignola changed from the recognition it was a hoax to now claiming it isn't. I think that is different. Its a turning or changing of position. Something caused this change of position and I do not think it was some kind of mental blockage on SH from the outset.

I also think SH is a different type of event to the School Stabbing and the Veterans Hospital and should be treated as such. School Stabbing - the accused is a student at the school. The Veterans Hospital attack - A Veteran who is a patient at the Hospital. Sandy Hook - the accused has no connection with SH elementary at all. The first two appear to have some connection with reality leading to the possibility they are more factual than fictional. SH seems to be the opposite. It does not appear to be much more than a fiction. Anyway, that's how I am positioning them in my thoughts at this time.

I may have missed it and pardon me if I have, but what is the position on Adam Lanza and psychotropic drugs. Was he on them? Has anyone said he was whacked out on them? The best I can tell is the narrative that he refused to take drugs. Was he prescribed any. They say he had aspergers. It would be interesting to know if any Doctors/GP in Connecticut treated Adam Lanza. Who was the family Doctor? It is probably a question that cannot be answered. There doesn't appear to be a drug based therapy for this condition so I would question the prescribing of drugs to Adam or the claim he refused to take drugs for his condition when none are recognised for it.

But on the flip side of that, compulsive or repetitive behaviors, which may be a part of an Asperger sufferers behavioural traits are often treated with SSRI's (I'm using wiki info here). I guess we go with that being the focus of this psychotropic drugs discussion.

It should also be noted that the diagnosis of Aspergers is no longer available as the condition has been absorbed into the Autism Spectrum Disorders.

I'm still not convinced that Adam even existed so the discussion on his drug taking is a questionable use of time and resources IMO.

[PatColo]

TM in the context I used it is Truth Movement. But in the context of say, HoloCo$t™, it's Trade Mark of course.

So AJ's dad is in on the action now? LOL. I recall maybe 3 years ago AJ & "Mark Dice" (prolly really steinberg or something) had a falling out, and Dice put up a youtube criticizing AJ's peddling some Tangy Tangerine KoolAid multi-level racket which could make you a million a year and shite. Dice showed the ingredients, and one of them was arsenic behind some brand-name disguise (like mercury/thimerosol). I guess AJ & Dice kissed & made up coz Dice has since pulled that video.

Anyways your hypothesis makes some sense, at least as one puzzle piece in the big picture. Delphi-Deanna's been on RBN; but I only listen to the commercial free mp3s of her shows, never live, so I really don't know who their sponsors are; but I believe alt-nutrition supplement sponsors are a big component. However, Delphi's GUESTS who are generally anti-alopathic pro-naturapathic, mostly don't seem to be peddling anything except good foods. At least one exception I can think of is Dr. Daniels who has some detox item she sells, and gets one or two plugs in for, but mostly she's about nutrition advice. Delphi has peddled the advice, "don't buy/eat anything with a label" (IE nothing "processed") which I guess limits you to the bulk bins & produce sections? And GlennCo's site & podcasts are ad-free, so that would tend to at least offset your theory somewhat.

The overarching reason I'd guess GlennCo & Delphi all (proclaim to be) in the same "Big Pharma Coverup" TM steering attempt campaign, is that that's the tact their bosses have bribed/coerced them to take. I'm certain it's not just an "honest disagreement" between them & SHoax skeptics, because of their consistent, naked employment of the 25 Rules + #26: Flip the Script & Project (esp Delphi in that latter, IE "SHoax skeptics are Sunstein Agents Yada Yada"). Their resorting to these gambits in trying to coerce their (proclaimed) SHoax views, rips the mask right off their disingenuousness.

[PatColo]

I may have missed it and pardon me if I have, but what is the position on Adam Lanza and psychotropic drugs. Was he on them? Has anyone said he was whacked out on them? The best I can tell is the narrative that he refused to take drugs.

Yeah, best most credible evidence of "the Pharma agenda" we have is the Joo Yorker Magazine article penned by the joosh son of a big pharma CEO, saying Adam was "off his meds" IE meds were the would-be saviors/massacre-preventers.
March 12, 2014
The Sandy Hook-Psychopharma Connection ¹⁴³

[Dachsie]

I think you are right about my hypothesis. It does not hold up extremely well. I do know that ...

DRUGS ARE BAD BAD is one of the major themes of all these alternative show hosts.
Another theme is
THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO TURN YOU INTO A DRUGGED UP ZOMBIE JUST LIKE ADAM LANZA

I know there is some truth in those themes but I also know that there are some drugs and some alopathic medicine practicioners that provide real help in some situations when nothing else will.

I had a falling out with Deanna quite a while back. I have listened to her for many years but mainly before she went on RBN, that is, when she was a guest on Dr. Stan Monteith's programs years ago. She has an almost irrational belief in Dr. Judy Wood and hate of Dr. James Fetzer.

I posted on Friend forum a while back my diagnosis of Spingola and what I consider to be her paranoid ideations. I do not think Spingola is in great mental health shape.

I know that GCN dictates to their hosts what subjects they are not to talk about at all. Here is an example....

When Susan Posel and Vinny Eastwood came out with their big story about Santilli being exposed by Anonymous as actually working for the FBI, about in Oct of 2013, Joyce Riley, GCN host, announced on one of her shows something very cryptic about the story but she would not name names nor really tell anybody what the heck she was talking about any was very brief.

She said something like 'someone we all know has been found by and said by Anonymous to be an "agent." I don't know anything about it but you can look it up on the web and you will find it."

Joyce had just had Santilli on as a guest about a week before and had had Posel on her show two or three times in the not destant past.

I understand Posel does not have a completely clean record either (plagiarizing ?) but that whole big story has faded off the radar. I think that is very odd.

I participated in a long thread on Amazon about Tangy Tangerine. The ingredient list of it sounds like the recipe for an atomic bomb. Those phony "doctors" came on Alex's show and claimed we all needed a little arsenic every day.

[PatColo]

I don't know anything about Posel really; just the shows I've heard her do with Vinny. Not sure I've even visited her site? She comes across a nice mix of intelligent & cheery in her Vinny shows. She did put me off a bit a couple months ago for something fairly lightweight-- namely her & Vinny were in some roundtable on another show, and Posel had this really contrived sounding kumbayah, peace & love sounding soliloquy near the beginning, which "grinded on me" such that I had to FF the mp3 just to get past it!! I think it was the "Angry Beaver" show you'll find near the bottom of http://www.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com/

Didn't you say elsewhere that your falling out with Delphi was due to some antics in her chat room during one of her live shows? A similar experience during her Jan 15, '14 show helped put a fire under me to start the jumps shark thread! I think the mod that night was 30-odd-6, who was blatantly "delphi'ing" the incoming comments, and deleting those he didn't like!

[Dachsie]

No, I think I may have posted one time in her chat room. As I vaguely recall, something about it did not work properly, but I have not listened to 90 percent of her RBN shows.

This was at least 8 months ago. Deanna reported (with audio link) on Mami's how John Stadtmiller had spoken harshly to her and said some negative things about her show and asked that she stopped saying so many glowing things about Hitler. He told her and said this on air on his show something like, in regard to her praise of Hitler being a benevolent and kind and wise leader, and the camps being sort of like Club Med resorts, that he 'could not push that boulder up the hill" meaning he could not sell her ideas of that nature to his RBN audience.

I reported this on Mami's and Deanna posted what I thought was kind of a strange reply to my post. She posted something like "John apologized to me." She kind of presents herself as a persecuted victim sometimes.

I cannot see where John would apologize for expressing his thouhgts which seemed logical and based on facts and reasonable considering he is the owner of RBN and has to watch for things that offend his listeners. That kind of talk about Hitler, most of which is, while possible true to some extent, not solidly documented, and is hard to sell to any audience.

There is something "co-dependent","sticky", and sneaky about Deanna's personality. Same for Dr. Judy Wood.

I realize RBN and John have kind of a dodgy reputation too.

Seems every show and effort to expose Zionist agenda gets messed up somethow.

[Dachsie]

Rense.com had this article linked today

"Sandy Hook massacre: The 26 Christmas trees"


http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014...comment-265661
Rense.com

This is a well done detailed article about another very strange feature of the Sandy Hook event.
I posted a comment as dachsielady and posted on another article about Sandy Hook on that site.

I guess the site uses the word "massacre" to parody the mainstream media as it seems very open to discussing the strong possibilities that there were no deaths and no real people victims.

It seems like a pretty good site to me so far.

I have sort of a file clerk mindset and I wish all the good threads about some aspect of Sandy Hook were all in one place. I think it would be cool to put together and e book and short video to go with it sort of just listing and explaining all the Sandy Hook anomalies, which each do not seem like much, but together all in one place make a strong case for Sandy Hook being another Big Evil Lie event.

[Amanda]

For those interested in listening to a shill promote the MSM version of Sandy Hook:

http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2014/04/...n-4102014.html


Also, I think it's kind of interesting that AFP sponsors radio shows with Spingola and Johnson, who both promote the zio-media version of Sandy Hook. I think I may have heard Friend and Gahary attempt to talk about this in a positive light, saying something like "isn't it great that we cover both sides of an issue??"