Large Explosions Reported At Boston Marathon - Photos Released

[Dachsie]

Good insights, PatColo. You seem to understand my general line of reasoning by saying

"even while they are ostensibly at odds with each other in their conflicting professed beliefs; that they are ALL in cahoots, frauds, "Sunstein Cognitive Infiltration Agents", employed by the dark side, to sow choas/confusion/doubt/cognitive-dissonance/disunity/infighting within the TM. "

"They hold reverse positions; recall, Delphi professes to believe SHoax took place as joozmedia.gov have purported, but that Boston was completely staged."

Thanks. I knew I still had not got it right. But maybe I am still wrong, but they do not exactly hold "reverse" positions, as
Spingola thinks Boston fake, Sandy Hook real and McDonald thinks Sandy Hook is real and Boston Marathon is real.

I think we are zeroing on something important here, that is, that

Delphi, Glenn, Piper, KJohnson, Tillawi, AJMcDonald, "Wade", and maybe Chris Pesterick

are operating under the control of the same "force." The common denominator in these people is this "force" and maybe does not mean that AmericanFreePress.net entity is not entirely under that "force."

If that force is the Sunstein agenda, it is mighty peculiar that Piper's book revolves around pointing out how evil and Joosish the Sunstein agenda is.

If our general line of thinking is heading in the right direction, then we have to ask if Piper is on the side of the "Joosish / Sunstein" side while appearing to be one of those "in the minority" people who are not controlled and who think independently and come to their own conclusions.


One last little thought that I have not fully developed yet, but I believe there is a variable in all this theorizing and that variable is

Truth.

I believe it is possible for individuals said to be in the "truth movement" to think independently and have as their highest value, truth, seeking truth to the best of our individual abilities and not becoming fans or groupies or favoring a certain personality's opinions over Truth. Truly seeking truth means that even though our current ideas and conclusions are imperfect and may change with more information we still are moving toward the CORRECT or TRUE conclusion. What is TRUE and CORRECT is the important variable in all of this that is somehow being side-lined or made to be perceived of lesser relevance or importance.

[Dachsie]

Correction"

Change

The common denominator in these people is this "force" and maybe does not mean that AmericanFreePress.net entity is not entirely under that "force."

The common denominator in these people is this "force" and maybe does not mean that AmericanFreePress.net entity is entirely under that "force."


deleted the second "not" to say that AFP may not be the "force" or the "common denominator" of all these people.

[Dachsie]

Just as I gave the link for Dr. Lorraine Day's good article on Sandy Hook, I wanted to also give the link to Dr. Lorraine Day's excellent article about Boston Marathon Bombing, which Dr. Fetzer referred to in his recent debate against A J McDonald.

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/stud...n_marathon.htm

NO ONE Died in the Boston Bombing – Nor was ANYONE Even Hurt.
(Except, of course, the innocent “suspects” – the Tsarnaev brothers, who were killed/maimed by the police)
This was a Total Hoax – a False Flag Operation – To Take Away Our Remaining Rights

By Lorraine Day, M.D.

"My background: I am an Orthopedic Trauma Surgeon. For many years I was Chief of Orthopedic Surgery at San Francisco General Hospital, the onlyTrauma Hospital in San Francisco. For 25 years, I took care of massive injuries from gang wars, explosions, severe motor vehicle crashes, survivors of attempted suicide from jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge, etc.
I am fully qualified to assess the supposed injuries at the total HOAX “bombing” that took place at the Boston Marathon. And I am not the only one who is writing about this. There are many others who also understand that it was a HOAX.! " end of quoted excerpt from article

SNIP
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http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/stud...t_postings.htm

a list of all of Dr. Lorraine Day's articles on political issues

I have posted the link to a list of all of her articles because her articles at that link cannot even be "found" by several search engines since she has a decided stance against Israel / Zionists / Jews faction. Google found this article but StartPage never gets a hit on goodnewsaboutgod site.

Dr Day has two or more different websites.

[PatColo]

It could appear that AFP are presenting the world a "united front" in accepting joozmedia.gov's SHoax & Boston stories, but AFP staff writer John Friend calls both events frauds. And Delphi professes to believe SHoax was real while Boston was a hoax. AFP's Dave Gahary, while I've never heard him proclaim so explicitly; if you listen particularly to his two W.Halbig interviews, just the 2 of them with no pretense of 'debate' (as opposed to Gahary's playing neutral moderator in the Halbig/"Wade" debate and others), Gahary expressed agreement with Halbig's points over and over, and made some of his own observations, which all made clear that Gahary believes SHoax to be a fraud.

As I said above, this all adds up to TPTB's intended outcome that their agents, who I defined in my reply 410 above, sow chaos/confusion/doubt/cognitive-dissonance/disunity/infighting within the TM, as honest Truthers (are encouraged to, are baited into, at least) taking sides based principally on the view espoused by their favorite brand-name Truther (agent).

One point to clarify though-- where I said they're all in cahoots, I don't mean necessarily that these low-level agents are in active cahoots with one another. Rather, I believe it's TPTB at the top giving each agent their tailored marching orders as to what they're to profess to believe about each fake "event", with TPTB hoping to achieve the chaos/etc outcome within the TM stated above. If my hypothesis is correct, I'd say TPTB have scored at least a partial victory.

[PatColo]

I've listened to the whole Fetzer/MacDonald debate now (MP3). Good job with your call-in Dachsie; first caller! I knew what you meant, though admittedly I pre-read your post-mortem above. I didn't know there were that many alleged amputees stemming from the pretend Boston event?! I recall the "former pro dancer" was another one the joozmedia touted... but what about all the pretend others?

All I can say is, WOW, that AJM guy STUNK! As JF noted 1 or 2 times, AJM seemed to be counting on coasting through the debate by maintaining his cool & relaxing tone, while his facts & reasoning were AWOL! Oh, and AJM repeating "Occam's Razor" over & over, hoping no one would know what that was! Distilling his closing statement down further: "It appeared to be bombs & bloody mayhem, Occam's Razor, therefore Fetzer loses & I win." Unbelievable...

I recall early in the 911 TM, circa '04-'08, the boiler room army of JREF shills (pro JOO-911-Story, obviously) stinking up the discussion forums, had a serious fetish for citing Occam's Razor, again hoping to bluff sounding like the smartest guy(s) in the room. But it was like the old lawyer saying, "If the facts are on your side, then bang on the facts! If they're not on your side, then bang on the table (or, bluff sounding smart by banging on "Occam's Razor")." Meanwhile, as David Ray Griffin summarized beautifully in Chapter 9 of his book "The New Pearl Harbor" (< free PDF), Occam's Razor is in reality, quite the foe of those advocating for the Official JOO 911 Story.

Griffin's Chapter 9 above cited all the circumstantial reasons; but especially as it related to the CD's of the towers and esp-esp WTC-7, where it was NIST's bafflingly convoluted "explanations" based upon their seeekrit computer models, vs controlled demolitions; the "Occam's Razor" parroting JOO 911 Story shills would get cut up to shreds by their own "...Razor".

[Dachsie]

My reply is to comment 414, not to the latest which I just found out about. I may reply to that comment later.

Interesting ideas about TPTB.

In this discussion I had to correct myself and make it clear that I do not automatically believe that AFB is totally "in on" the same kind of false beliefs.

However, when one starts taking a close look at just one person, Michael Collins Piper, one has to eventually start also taken a much closer look and evaluation of AFP.

Piper is either 56 or 58 years old. He has been working as a full-time employee and writer for AFP since its beginnings via Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby and the old Spotlight newspaper.

Piper about a month ago completely "disappeared" so to speak. He is said to have quit or been fired from AFP but there is virtually nothing about this departure of his on the web. Now Piper worked for 36 or 38 years, since he was 20 years old, for AFP. It would seem reasonable that Piper just "retired" with whatever retirement benefits AFP offers their long term, full time employees. Piper did not quit nor was he fired. His departure happened right after he wrote and provided free of charge his book "False Flags" and right after he made it clear that he thought Sandy Hook was the real deal and right after he had that farce of a debate with Dr. Fetzer.

Piper, right before his "disappearance", also made it clear in his later interviews and his last book that ...

He does not think much of people with many advanced degrees;

He has a low opinion of "patriots";

He has a low opinion of the so-called "alternative media";

He has a low opinion of "truthers" or members of "the truth movement";

He has a low opinion of those who "provide the conspiracy theories", that is, those that Sunstein targets in his sophisticated mass mind control of public opinion and control of "crises."

He has a new definition of "false flags:;
(I am still trying to nail how Piper's book defines "false flag" now and how it is that Sandy Hook can be a false flag as he says Sandy Hook and Boston are on page 280 of his book while at the same time saying that Sandy Hook and Boston are a new kind of false flag, are false flag events but in a much different sense than JFK assassination, Oklahoma City bombing, and 9-11. Piper in his latest book actually puts "false flag" in quotes indicating there are "false flags" and then there are false flags.)

He has tediously laid out a set of propositions culminating in his book's thesis. This thesis appears to be a sea change in Piper's facade or personna in the "liberty movement" over the years and appears to be a "reaction" to the Sunstein thesis or agenda which was put out in a paper by Sunstein in 2009.

He claims to be concerned about the "truth movement" and how the world is now perceiving them.

I guess I will not go on although there is more to observe about Piper.

I guess what I am saying is that it is beginning to appear that Piper is operating the "reaction" part of the "problem, reaction, solution" game. This game is also analogous to the operation of the Hegelian dialectic (thesis, antithesis, synthesis) as well as to the "Delphi Technique" where two opposing positions (problem/reaction, thesis/antithesis) are manipulated via the operation of the technique so that a "consensus" (or solution or synthesis) is crafted or reached.

It is very convincing to believe that AFP is truly a real deal, that it is made up of different independent writers with sincerely held differing opinions about events, and that it holds regular "debates" objectively entertaining all oposing positions and position holders as opponents in these "fair and balanced" debates. But I guess I have become skeptical of the "fair and balanced" position and am coming to see that it too can be an "act" to deceive.

I do not know for sure if I am thinking in the right direction toward truth. I just see this "sea change" starting with Piper and being fallen in line with by all the others even though all these others hold different opinions about events than Piper.

Christopher Bollyn, who was a long time ago one of the few full-time employees writers for AFP states that Mark Lane actually owns AFP and Willis Carto was secretly "in with" Mark Lane and funneled a whole lot of AFP money to Lane for "legal fees" in defending AFP. Mark Lane is a Jewish man who has always openly declared himself to be a Zionist. Mark Lane wrote one of the early "tell all" books exposing the JFK assassination conspiracy, or purporting to "tell all." If Bollyn's ideas are true, and I have not fully researched that and have no conclusion at this point, then Piper and AFP actually being sort of on the same side of "Sunstein agenda" would become a slam dunk in my opinion.

Bollyn complained that AFP never seemed to really advertise or market their newspaper intelligently. Bollyn sort of claims he never could figure out that laxity. I think it is possible that Carto and Piper managers of AFP never really intended to market their newspaper to the general public and that their newspaper was always exclusively pointed at the "freedom loving, anti-Zionist" market.

What we could have with AFP is a bunch of Zionists in false cover milking all the money out of a bunch of "anti-Zionists truthers."

I am not intending to argue or disagree. I am just thinking and just sayin and think that all alternatives need to be explored.

[PatColo]

Dachsie: I posted a good thread about Bollyn & his criticisms of MCP, AFP, & more; you'll surely find much of interest there:

Thread: Bollyn on DBS, Hufschmid, Piper, Thorn, CIA

I posted this to Fetzer's radio blog, in an unrelated show's comments, coz JF is often very slow in posting his recent shows... this AFP debate show for example, still isn't posted atm:

Pat Colo April 25, 2014 at 6:13 PM



Jim, sometimes you lag behind several days, a week, whatever in posting your relevant podcasts here. So I wanted to point readers to your excellent "Boston Hoax" debate with that hapless shill, whatever his name was?! lol. Great Job, Dr. Fetzer! It's 2 hours, hosted by Dave Gahary on AFP.

Here's a link to the debate, along with some commentary from myself and "Dachsie", who is AKA the first caller during the debate, who made the observation that there were allegedly 16 amputees stemming from the pretend Boston bombing. She feared she wasn't clear enough in her call, and posted this in hopes of clarifying:
http://tinyurl.com/nyoepdu

See that ^ and the replies following for some review of the debate, esp my reply #415.

Dachsie also posted this new thread, "Sixteen Boston Bombing leg Amputees / VicSims / Amputee Crisis Actors ?"
http://tinyurl.com/mcxvndt

[Dachsie]

Thank you very much.

I am going to read that thread about Bollyn. I know I have been way out of the loop on Piper and understand he has not really "disappeared" off the radar as I thought. I just feel that it is very strange how so many of these people had uncharacteristic takes on either Sandy Hook or Boston or both and I am always trying to see if there is a pattern or some behind the scenes machinations that could explain this. I realize my "developing theories" may not be right and there does not always have to be a conspiracy. Just looking at it on the surface, it does not make sense to me.

I am glad this forum exists because of your Jump the Shark thread and so much good coverage of the shootings and false flag events. This kind of coverage to my knowledge does not exist anywhere else.

[Amanda]

Audio and transcript at the link:

Hollywood producer claims Boston bombing was a "false flag attack"
http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_04_25/The-Boston-bombing-was-a-false-flag-attack-Nathan-Folks-7658/

[Amanda]

Here's a great post from FauxCapitalist on the evidence pointing to crisis actors at the Boston Marathon Bombing:

http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2014/04/...ebate-jim.html

fauxcapitalist.com said...Some reasons I have indicating that the Boston Marathon bombings had crisis actors, not necessarily in order of importance or exhaustive:

- A 35-year orthopedic surgeon, Dr. Stan Monteith, said Jeff Bauman was an actor.
- The guy in the wheelchair and Jeff Bauman may not even be the same person. The guy from the Marathon has noticeably curly hair, whereas pictures of Bauman not long after, and Facebook pictures before, all show straight hair.
- Guy at the Marathon had one below-the-knee amputation and one above-the-knee amputation whereas Bauman comes out with two above-knee amputations.
- It's completely against standard procedure to put someone who's had their limbs blown off upright in a wheelchair. They should be put on a stretcher.
- His legs in the infamous picture of the cowboy hat guy pinching his artery as he's being wheeled away look completely different than earlier, and looks even like non-human skin.
- He may have been wheeled through the scene twice to get a better picture, and after his prosthesis fell off.
- Woman beside him in the incident WAS put onto a stretcher, despite not having her legs blown off.
- She has no blood on the top front of her shirt in the early pics of the scene, then suddenly has blood all over her, with a look of total shock as she's being wheeled away.
- Bauman says they called him "Wolverine" for how fast he allegedly healed -- 19 days out of the hospital.
- No blood seen on the ground or on anyone's hand when he's being pushed around on the wheelchair.
- Hardly anyone at the first bomb scene a minute or so later, despite this being the one where they said three people eventually died.
- People with clothes ripped apart, yet hardly any or no blood or injuries in places.
- Woman with no blood on her face after bomb goes off, then suddenly all kinds of blood after she reaches for something from her pocket and wipes her face.
- The old man who fell to the ground when the first bomb went off, didn't fall because of the bomb, but because of something the runner in front of her threw back to him that he caught.
- No pictures of Bauman showing his whole body and bare legs before the incident.
- Hardly any pictures of him below the waist at all.
- No verified picture of him even seen in the crowd at the Marathon.
- This guy also happens to be the one who claims to have seen the bomber place a backback with the bomb (what a coincidence!)
- Shows up to make the first pitch at the Boston Red Sox game and appears at the Boston Bruins game waving a big flag after his unprecedented recovery (a tremendous propaganda opportunity).