150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters

[7th trump]

but midnight 7th help by stop paying his taxes , so he's no longer part of the NWO . once you step out of line you will be called anti-government are white terrorists' as the niggar burn down city . I didnt hear what they were called

You're only considered anti government when you step out of line being a complete moron.
I stepped out of paying taxes because I choose to no longer participate in Social Security and stood on my Constitutional Bill of Rights not to participate.
Its an individual decision that didn't bring attention to myself to the likes of these guys.
I did bring attention to myself before learning the truth about taxes, settled with the IRS after understanding its not the IRS (they are just a collection agency). The IRS just enforces the laws its has to abide by....and yes they give you plenty of time before they make a move.
Social Security is what makes you liable for income taxes....not the statutes in the IRC.

What these guys are doing is equivalent to owing a tax for taking or accepting a benefit and then not paying for it (a tax).....and that's where trouble begins.
You want to stop paying taxes?........then you don't tell the IRS to go to hell.....you find the root cause of being liable (Social Security). That's where you start and who you deal with...not the IRS. The IRS is the last agency that knows you are liable. Social Security Administration is the first to know and updates all IRS tax information to the IRS database.
You use your head and research the laws to gain knowledge.....not having a stand off over a subject you don't have a damn clue about like these guys.

Lets hope it ends well without a shoot out....but I'm not holding my breath. These guys are stupid trying to make a point using emotions to gain support rather than intelligence.

[Ares]

Infowars spun that as bad as the main stream media. There was no armed take over. The place was closed for the holidays. Several tv stations came and went during the day and interviewed Bundy. Pete Santilli live streamed it. I watched all three of the interviews. There were no armed militia types visible. Bundy was calm and cool.

As ill conceived as his plan was, it may open a small segment of the populations eyes regarding federal jurisdiction. Us old farts were taught that in high school. The first half of the year on state government, the last half on the Constitution and federal government. In those days the federal government was pretty careful not to get out of line. But like boiling frogs they little by little dumbed down the people and usurped jurisdiction. They started first by putting tags on pillows and mattresses "do not remove" under penalty of Federal Law. This had a psychological effect on the masses even though it didn't apply to them. The same with emission control devices on automobiles. Once a car was sold the owner could do anything he wanted that didn't violate his states emission control laws. As time went on the schools stopped teaching, people assumed the federal law applied to them.

It kind of does if they believe themselves to be "U.S. citizens". They are declaring that they are a citizen of the District of Columbia.

[Ares]

You're only considered anti government when you step out of line being a complete moron.
I stepped out of paying taxes because I choose to no longer participate in Social Security and stood on my Constitutional Bill of Rights not to participate.
Its an individual decision that didn't bring attention to myself to the likes of these guys.
I did bring attention to myself before learning the truth about taxes, settled with the IRS after understanding its not the IRS (they are just a collection agency). The IRS just enforces the laws its has to abide by....and yes they give you plenty of time before they make a move.
Social Security is what makes you liable for income taxes....not the statutes in the IRC.

What these guys are doing is equivalent to owing a tax for taking or accepting a benefit and then not paying for it (a tax).....and that's where trouble begins.
You want to stop paying taxes?........then you don't tell the IRS to go to hell.....you find the root cause of being liable (Social Security). That's where you start and who you deal with...not the IRS. The IRS is the last agency that knows you are liable. Social Security Administration is the first to know and updates all IRS tax information to the IRS database.
You use your head and research the laws to gain knowledge.....not having a stand off over a subject you don't have a damn clue about like these guys.

Lets hope it ends well without a shoot out....but I'm not holding my breath. These guys are stupid trying to make a point using emotions to gain support rather than intelligence.

It's not really the same as not paying a tax. They are contesting Federal Jurisdiction within a state. According to the Constitution the Federal Government has zero jurisdiction within a state unless the state with consent of it's legislature sold the land to the Federal Government. Reading through the history of Oregon and how Theodore Roosevelt just declared the land a nature reserve basically usurped jurisdiction within a state which is illegal and unconstitutional.

I see your point, and I agree they did this haphazardly.

[monty]

It kind of does if they believe themselves to be "U.S. citizens". They are declaring that they are a citizen of the District of Columbia.

Yes, it is important that you understand "who you are". That is what we learned in government classes in the 1950's.

[Ares]

Yes, it is important that you understand "who you are".

Agreed and makes sense if you think about it. Why wouldn't "federal law" apply to citizens of the District of Columbia while they travel the various states of the union?

[monty]

Agreed and makes sense if you think about it. Why wouldn't "federal law" apply to citizens of the District of Columbia while they travel the various states of the union?

The same reason your home state law wouldn't apply if you were visiting Horn in Costa Rica.

[7th trump]

Infowars spun that as bad as the main stream media. There was no armed take over. The place was closed for the holidays. Several tv stations came and went during the day and interviewed Bundy. Pete Santilli live streamed it. I watched all three of the interviews. There were no armed militia types visible. Bundy was calm and cool.

As ill conceived as his plan was, it may open a small segment of the populations eyes regarding federal jurisdiction. Us old farts were taught that in high school. The first half of the year on state government, the last half on the Constitution and federal government. In those days the federal government was pretty careful not to get out of line. But like boiling frogs they little by little dumbed down the people and usurped jurisdiction. They started first by putting tags on pillows and mattresses "do not remove" under penalty of Federal Law. This had a psychological effect on the masses even though it didn't apply to them. The same with emission control devices on automobiles. Once a car was sold the owner could do anything he wanted that didn't violate his states emission control laws. As time went on the schools stopped teaching, people assumed the federal law applied to them.

Stop drinking the cool aid!!!
Federal law and all acts of Congress (when applicable) apply to "US citizens".
That article you posted about a judge spilling the beans says international law applies to "US citizens"....every state has laws on their books specifically stating so.
Why because US citizens are subjects to Congress and Congress only has jurisdiction over what the Constitutions allows....international affairs and territories and such.
The "State of Iowa" is federal territory, the union state Iowa is not a territory....two different jurisdictions.
US citizens reside in "The State of Iowa" ...."We the People" inhabit the Union state of "Iowa".

Most GSUS'ers don't have a clue about this and believe they are awake when in fact they are sleeping just like the sheeple are.

[Ares]

The same reason your home state law wouldn't apply if you were visiting Horn in Costa Rica.

Not exactly, we have compact laws in America. The states are considered a union with the District of Columbia being the federal seat. So it would make sense that if you declare yourself to be a citizen of the District of Columbia that the laws passed in the District of Columbia would apply to you in other states. Remember the Federal Government is the only entity allowed to cross state lines. Other states are not allowed nor have jurisdiction in other states. The Federal Government does, but with permission. It's citizens are subject to its laws and since the Feds have a presence in every state their citizens are subject to federal laws no matter where they go. State citizens are under no such obligation or oppression.

[7th trump]

It's not really the same as not paying a tax. They are contesting Federal Jurisdiction within a state. According to the Constitution the Federal Government has zero jurisdiction within a state unless the state with consent of it's legislature sold the land to the Federal Government. Reading through the history of Oregon and how Theodore Roosevelt just declared the land a nature reserve basically usurped jurisdiction within a state which is illegal and unconstitutional.

I see your point, and I agree they did this haphazardly.

I'll give you that Ares but lets be smart about this.....we don't know for sure Oregon didn't. I bet Oregon accepted some federal money, privilege, ect in return.
Legislatures were a hell of a lot more keen on government operation back then than they are today.
Civics class was taught back then.....not today with this government (federal government) class.

[7th trump]

Not exactly, we have compact laws in America. The states are considered a union with the District of Columbia being the federal seat. So it would make sense that if you declare yourself to be a citizen of the District of Columbia that the laws passed in the District of Columbia would apply to you in other states. Remember the Federal Government is the only entity allowed to cross state lines. Other states are not allowed nor have jurisdiction in other states. The Federal Government does, but with permission. It's citizens are subject to its laws and since the Feds have a presence in every state their citizens are subject to federal laws no matter where they go. State citizens are under no such obligation or oppression.

Spot on Ares....spot on!

The definition to "United States" and "state" in the IRC proves this.
The word "includes" is an expanding term to include the territories and insulars...........DC and all the "State of XXXX" aren't mentioned because they are the main subject to "UNITED STATES" and don't need mentioned.
STATE is the same way.............state not only includes the federal "STATE of XXX" states but the territories as well.
When you start reading the IRC in that way everything comes into view....all the court cases begin to make sense.