150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters

[Ares]

I'll give you that Ares but lets be smart about this.....we don't know for sure Oregon didn't. I bet Oregon accepted some federal money, privilege, ect in return.
Legislatures were a hell of a lot more keen on government operation back then than they are today.
Civics class was taught back then.....not today with this government (federal government) class.

I don't doubt it, I just haven't been able to find it where the legislature of Oregon consented to it. It may not be online, and would require someone going to the Oregon legislature archives to look through the logs to see if its there or not.

[monty]

Stop drinking the cool aid!!!
Federal law and all acts of Congress (when applicable) apply to "US citizens".
That article you posted about a judge spilling the beans says international law applies to "US citizens"....every state has laws on their books specifically stating so.
Why because US citizens are subjects to Congress and Congress only has jurisdiction over what the Constitutions allows....international affairs and territories and such.
The "State of Iowa" is federal territory, the union state Iowa is not a territory....two different jurisdictions.
US citizens reside in "The State of Iowa" ...."We the People" inhabit the Union state of "Iowa".

Most GSUS'ers don't have a clue about this and believe they are awake when in fact they are sleeping just like the sheeple are.

http://www.mindserpent.com/American_...rp/rule_54.htm
Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure Rule 54(c)

"Act of Congress"
c) Application of Terms.
As used in these rules the following terms have the designated meanings.
"Act of Congress" includes any act of Congress locally applicable to and in force in the District of Columbia, in Puerto Rico, in a territory or in an insular possession.


The State of Iowa is a body politic. It has no territory. Iowa State is geographical and does have territory.

Federal jurisdiction is territorial as in geographical. You must have commited the crime in their geographical territory of The District of Columbia, in Puerto Rico, in a territory or an insular possession, not in their body politic "State of Oregon".
But you must also understand this by knowing who you are and where you are domiciled. Like Palani, in his watershed.

They have jurisdiction over you while you are in their federal courthouse which stands on federal land, but if you didn't commit the crime in their jurisdiction they don't have jurisdiction to try you for the crime. Jurisdiction is territorial.

What article about what judge spilling the beans? I don't recall posting that

[Shami-Amourae]

It's really scary how many people, err Leftist zombies are calling for the actual death of these protesters. I check my Facebook at there are those zombies. I don't even comment on Facebook, just observe the idiocy.

A lot are arguing about how great it is that White people did this since if brown people did it they would be called terrorist, but the media is somehow in defending these people since muh Michael Brown. They actually believe in their twisted minds they are rebels going against the establishment when their entire world view is shaped by the Establishment media, universities, and so on.

I hate White anti-Whites. They are the lowest scum in the world. They are the only people in the world I truly hate.

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[monty]

I saw that last night when I was watching Pete Santilli's livestream. You are correct refering to them as protesters. But there timing is completly totally wrong.

The zombies don't have a clue. Really sad.

[Shami-Amourae]

I saw that last night when I was watching Pete Santilli's livestream. You are correct refering to them as protesters. But there timing is completly totally wrong.

The zombies don't have a clue. Really sad.

I agree. I think the protesters are justified since the Hammonds were wronged by the Federal government, but the way they are going about it is probably not going to end well for the Hammonds or the patriot movement.

[Ares]

I saw that last night when I was watching Pete Santilli's livestream. You are correct refering to them as protesters. But there timing is completly totally wrong.

The zombies don't have a clue. Really sad.

If it was left to the people, we'd still be a British colony. Very few people actually fought during the American Revolution. Something on the order of 3% or less actually cared enough to fight. So take 97% of the population and cut it in half and you are left with one half loyal to the crown, the other half didn't care either way. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[monty]

Not exactly, we have compact laws in America. The states are considered a union with the District of Columbia being the federal seat. So it would make sense that if you declare yourself to be a citizen of the District of Columbia that the laws passed in the District of Columbia would apply to you in other states. Remember the Federal Government is the only entity allowed to cross state lines. Other states are not allowed nor have jurisdiction in other states. The Federal Government does, but with permission. It's citizens are subject to its laws and since the Feds have a presence in every state their citizens are subject to federal laws no matter where they go. State citizens are under no such obligation or oppression.

You are probably going to force me to read some more.

If you were in a D. C. resident in Ohio and you robbed the bank in Clevland you would be tired in the state court having jurisdiction in Cleveland. You are still subject to all the state laws of Ohio while you are visiting there. If you robbed the Post Office or the mail while visiting in Ohio you will be prosecuted by the feds. Or commited some crime that violated the interstate laws such as kidnapping and transporting across state lines.

I think it would be difficult for the District of Columbia to prosecute you for committing an act that would violate one of their laws while you are visiting in Ohio. Remember, jurisdiction is territorial as in geographical. There is a lot of case law to support this.

You can be extradited from one state to another or to the District of Columbia if you flee to avoid prosecution.

Is it not fraud when the US deceives you into declaring under the penalty of perjury you are a citzen of the District of Columbia (U. S. Citizen) when in fact you are not?

Are fraudulent actions against you not null and void?

[Horn]

It's really scary how many people, err Leftist zombies are calling for the actual death of these protesters.

We need to quit referring to them as leftist liberals, when in all actuality they are death dealing communists, that's the difference between 60's and now. I am not surprised by their "nationalism".

[Shami-Amourae]

We need to quit referring to them as leftist liberals, when in all actuality they are death dealing communists, that's the difference between 60's and now. I am not surprised by their "nationalism".

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[Bigjon]

The original contract that was ratified is the Constitution of 1787. Everything "our" Federal Govt did after 1862 is fraud, changing the meaning of words by legislative fiat is fraud, adopting amendments by legislative fiat is fraud.

The whole Federal govt has been and is a fraud since 1862.