Tracking the DOW PLUNGE!!!

[Spectrism]

This one chart shows why the stock market grew over the last 7 years.




https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=QQ7
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[mick silver]

Look out, stocks might fall a lot further



By Brett Arends
Published: Jan 21, 2016 8:22 a.m. ET
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The Dow could fall by 1,000 to 5,000 points and still not be ‘cheap’


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Hard to believe, but the Dow Jones Industrial Average DIA, -1.51% could fall by another 1,000 to 5,000 points and still not be “cheap” compared with long-term stock-valuation measures.
That’s the stark conclusion from an analysis comparing current stock prices to underlying measures such as per-share revenue, earnings and corporate net worth.
And it suggests that even if we are now overdue for a short-term bounce or rally of some kind, buying heavily into the latest sell-off isn’t the kind of one-way bet that value investors crave.


Stocks are certainly much cheaper than they were a few weeks ago. After the worst start to a new year in Wall Street history, the Dow Jones Industrial Average is down about 10% since Jan. 1. Small-company stocks are now deep in a bear market after falling more than 20% from last spring’s highs.
But cheaper doesn’t necessarily mean cheap.
Even after the sell-off, U.S. stocks are valued at around 1.4 times annual per-share revenue. FactSet says the average since 2001, when it began tracking the data, is 1.3 times revenue. So the Dow could fall another 7%, or over 1,000 points, and still be no lower than its modern-day average.
And the picture looks even worse when you also add in those companies’ soaring debts. According to the Federal Reserve, nonfinancial corporations have increased their total debts since 2007 from $6.3 trillion to over $8 trillion. As FactSet says, total shares plus total debts — the so-called “enterprise value” — of U.S. public companies are now 2.4 times annual per-share revenue, compared with an average of 2.1 times since 2001.
Data from the U.S. Federal Reserve, meanwhile, say U.S. nonfinancial corporate stocks are now valued at about 90% of the replacement cost of company assets, a metric known as “Tobin’s Q.” But the historic average, going back a century, is in the region of 60% of replacement costs. By this measure, stocks could fall by another third, taking the Dow all the way down toward 10,000. (On Wednesday it closed at 15,767.) Similar calculations could be reached by comparing share prices to average per-share earnings, a measure known as the cyclically adjusted price-to-earnings ratio, commonly known as CAPE, after Yale finance professor Robert Shiller, who made it famous.
Even when you compare stocks to the earnings of the past 12 months, it’s hard to say they are in any kind of bargain territory.
At best, depending on how you measure things, you could say they’re no longer wildly expensive.
None of this means the current slump must get worse anytime soon. The only short-term cause of a market selloff is the same: more sellers than buyers. At some point more buyers appear, while some sellers pause for breath. Wednesday afternoon’s turnaround, which saw the Dow erase half of an early 500-point slump, is at least a hopeful sign.
But it certainly casts a cloud over any bargain hunting. And note that these numbers only measure how far the market would have to fall to reach average levels. They do not reflect what would happen if the market did what it has done frequently in the past, and plunged back down to very cheap levels. Maybe that will never happen. Let’s hope. Because when you factor in those numbers, it’s a long way down.
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[mick silver]

looks like the beat down on gold and silver will never end .... http://www.kitconet.com/images/sp_en_6.gif

[JohnQPublic]

This one chart shows why the stock market grew over the last 7 years.

Mike Maloney says the Fed has no bullets left. I think they are trying to use cheap oil as a way to extend the range they can play in, and maybe to allow them to raise interest rates (offset zero interest rates with cheap oil). I am not sure exactly how they can do that, but they do have the petro-dollar mechanism and derivatives, plus possibly the cooperation of Obama (who supposedly got Saudi to pump more oil to punish Russia for instance). Petroleum does act more like a currency than say gold does, effectively, today.

http://beforeitsnews.com/financial-m...t-2857864.html

[cheka.]

ppt stopped the sp500 at/near the level of the two attempted selloffs in 2015

they might not be ready to let it go....yet

[JohnQPublic]

George Soros says he shorted S&P 500, went long U.S. Treasurys

Marketwatch
Published: Jan 21, 2016 3:40 p.m. ET

Billionaire hedge-fund investor George Soros on Thursday said he shorted the S&P 500 index and also went long U.S. government bonds. In an interview with Bloomberg Television in Davos, Switzerland, Soros said it remained too early to buy stocks and that he would be surprised if the Federal Reserve raised interest rates again. Soros also said a hard landing for China's economy "is practically unavoidable" but that the country has the resources to manage it.

[mick silver]

Baltic Dry Index + Watchlist
BDIY:IND

354.00
1.00
0.28%


As of 07:59:18 ET on 01/22/2016.
Previous Close
355.00

52Wk Range
354.00 - 1,222.00

1 Yr Return
-50.83%

YTD Return
-25.94%

Before it's here, it's on the Bloomberg Terminal.

1M
1Y
5Y




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Indicators
Rate of Change

Relative Strength

MACD

Volume


579111315171921
360380400420440460480

01/07445

[mick silver]

Markets
Updated: 11:16:54am ET

• Dow -0.70%
  15,980.82 / -112.69
• Nasdaq -0.64%
  4,561.91 / -29.27
• S&P -0.83%
  1,890.98 / -15.92

[mick silver]

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[JohnQPublic]

Starting the week soft in NY. I am surprised they have not blamed it on the blizzard!