Apparently some misguided souls are wanting to die on that hill.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...127-story.html
Apparently some misguided souls are wanting to die on that hill.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...127-story.html
"A man is to be held accountable for the thoughts he chooses to entertain." --Richard Alan Miller
"If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable-what then?" --George Orwell
"It's not a matter of what is true (reality) that counts but a matter of what is perceived to be true (reality)." --Henry Kissinger
I saw something maybe 20 minutes ago that said the Feds had gone in. Could have been something from yesterday caught up in other stuff.
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Anytime I'm in doubt I go outside and give it a little shake.
Liberty Tree.
your link points to a joogle IMAGE search; when images are useless wrt your claim re the 13%-ers.
I'm most interested to see your source for saying the 13%-ers were there only "for a few hours" (which I would interpret to mean, < 12 hours coz after that we'd call it a half day; then 1 day, a couple days, etc); and any REASON provided for WHY the 13's would've chosen to return home after only "a few hours."![]()
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JFriend article, also appeared at AFP, check link for growing reader comments. U can also check the 26 comments atm at the first LaVoy article JF posted.
Oregon Standoff Turns Violent; Leading Spokesman Dead
January 27, 2016 Realist Report 2 comments
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The standoff taking place in southeastern Oregon took a dramatic turn in the late afternoon hours on Tuesday, January 26.
According to local reports, Ammon Bundy, the leader of the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, and a number of other individuals close to him are now in federal custody after being stopped by Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Oregon State Police on US Highway 395 roughly 20 miles north of Burns, Oregon.
Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, who AMERICAN FREE PRESS interviewed while at the Refuge, was reportedly killed by law enforcement officers. Ryan Bundy, Ammon’s older brother, was reportedly wounded during the violent confrontation as well, and was subsequently taken into federal custody.
Also arrested were Joseph D. O’Shaughnessy, 45, of Cottonwood, Arizona, and Pete Santilli, 50, of Cincinnati, the combative Internet broadcaster known for his showboating and aggressive manner while recording and live streaming during the standoff. Both men face conspiracy charges of impeding federal officers.
Bundy and his entourage were reportedly traveling to a community meeting that was organized and scheduled by residents in the town of John Day, a small community just north of Burns. The Oregonian, one of the largest newspapers in the state, reported that several hundred locals gathered at the John Day Senior Center before being told Bundy and his supporters would not be speaking at the event.
At 4:25 pm PST, FBI officials and the Oregon State Police released a joint statement describing “an enforcement action to bring into custody a number of individuals associated with the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge,” according to the press release. “During that arrest, there were shots fired.”
Finicum, who served as a spokesman and leader of the occupation, was a Mormon rancher with 11 children. He told NBC News on January 5 that he would rather be killed than arrested.
“There are things more important than your life, and freedom is one of them,” Finicum said.
Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, who has supported the Bundys in the past, told local media outlets that Ammon Bundy called his wife after being detained by law enforcement authorities, informing her that Finicum was cooperating with law enforcement officials before being shot and killed. Fiore Tweeted that Finicum was “murdered with his hands up.” That allegation has not yet been confirmed.
Other eye witnesses claim that Finicum attempted to drive around a major road block set up by law enforcement officials, hitting a snowbank in the process. He then proceeded to exit his truck and approach law enforcement officials, disobeying officers’ orders to surrender. He was then shot and killed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wA18O_6dgw
“My dad was such a good good man, through and through,” Arianna Finicum Brown, 26, one of Finicum’s 11 children, told The Oregonian. “He would never ever want to hurt somebody, but he does believe in defending freedom and he knew the risks involved.”
In an interview with The Oregonian on Monday, January 25, Finicum noted that “the tenor has changed” between his entourage and the federal authorities they were negotiating with. “They’re doing all the things that shows that they want to take some kinetic action against us,” Finicum told The Oregonian.
The violent confrontation between law enforcement authorities and the protesters came days after county and state officials in Oregon insisted the federal government intervene, forcefully if necessary, to end the occupation.
Ammon and Ryan Bundy, along with at least five other individuals associated with the occupation, are currently in federal custody. They are facing “a federal felony charge of conspiracy to impede officers of the United States from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation, or threats, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 372,” according to the official statement.
TENSIONS RISING
Tensions had been rising in southeastern Oregon as the standoff at the Refuge in Harney County entered its fourth week. On January 20, Oregon governor Katherine “Kate” Brown submitted a letter to the U.S. Justice Department and FBI Director James Comey urging federal officials to take “swift” action against the occupiers.
“While it is easy to assume that an occupation in such a remote location does not threaten public safety and does not harm any victims, that perception is far from accurate,” the governor stated in her letter. Governor Brown described the occupiers as “armed criminals who appear to be seeking occasions for confrontation,” an allegation Ammon Bundy, Finicum, and other leaders of the occupation strongly disagreed with.
The Oregon governor went on to insist that the federal government find a prompt resolution to the standoff, and end the occupation of the Refuge. “Efforts to negotiate have not been successful, and now it is unclear what steps, if any, federal authorities might take to bring this untenable situation to an end and restore normalcy to to this community.”
The Oregonian, Oregon’s leading newspaper, also published an editorial urging the occupiers to end their protest and leave town on the same day Governor Brown issued her letter to federal authorities.
On Monday, January 25, Harney County Judge Steven E. Grasty, joining Governor Brown in her call for swift action against the protesters occupying the Refuge, argued the time is now for federal authorities to bring an end to the occupation.
“They need to move, they need to make a decision,” Grasty recently stated. “Are they going to arrest these people? Are they going to blockade the facility?”
Federal authorities had emphasized their desire to take an extremely cautious approach to handling the standoff in an effort to avoid violence. Those participating in the occupation and protest also emphasized they were not instigating or enticing a violent confrontation with law enforcement authorities either. They insisted that they were simply interested in having their legitimate grievances addressed by the proper authorities.
As we know now, those desires did not play out.
At various community meetings in Harney County over the course of the past two weeks, local residents expressed their disapproval of the ongoing occupation and the outsiders behind it. Although numerous Harney County residents, including ranchers and private property owners, sympathize with the Hammonds and are critical of many of the federal government’s land management policies in the county, many locals are getting tired of the occupation and the disruption it is causing to their daily lives.
“You should just go home, and I hope somebody catches you on the way, and you go to jail where you deserve to be,” Isabelle Fleuraud, pointing at Ammon Bundy from across the bleachers, stated at a community meeting held on January 19 in Burns, the county seat.
Supporters of Harney County ranchers Dwight L. and Steven D. Hammond, who surrendered to federal authorities in early January, took over a number of federal buildings on the National Refuge on January 2 in protest of the re-sentencing of the Hammonds following a federal appeal of their original sentence.
The protesters and occupiers have maintained that the Hammonds, as well as other local ranchers and private property owners in Oregon and across the United States, have been harassed, mistreated, and intimidated by federal agencies maintaining vast amounts of land owned by the federal government. The federal government has no Constitutional authority to even own the land, protesters claim.
Ammon Bundy, the iconic leader of the occupation now in federal custody, and others submitted a detailed redress of grievance to local and state officials in Oregon in December, emphasizing the plight of the Hammonds and the unjust treatment they have received by the federal government. Thus far, the issues and concerns they have raised with officials have yet to be responded to and addressed.
Local and federal authorities have asserted that the demands issued by the occupiers, which include releasing the Hammonds from federal prison as well as ending federal ownership and management of grazing land and the massive Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, are not feasible and contrary to established law and legal precedents.
County officials, including Harney County Sheriff David M. Ward and Grasty, were entirely unwilling to even engage with Bundy and his entourage, at least when it came to addressing their concerns with federal management of vast amounts of land in Harney County. According to a spokesman for the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), the federal agency responsible for managing and maintaining land owned by the federal government, the BLM manages over 60% of the county.
Bundy and his supporters engaged in dialogue with representatives of the FBI late last week in an effort to resolve the ongoing standoff. However, on Friday, January 22, Bundy questioned the FBI’s legal authority to operate in Harney County. In a confrontation with Harney County sheriff’s officials, Bundy demanded to know whether or not Harney County officials granted the FBI authority to operate in the county. Harney County officials informed Bundy the FBI did in fact have permission to operate, and that local and state agencies were working closely with the federal government in their response to the standoff.
NB: This article was originally published by American Free Press on January 27, 2016.
http://therealistreport.com/oregon-s...pokesman-dead/
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US Fed has detained and remanded the 6 people into custody for a hearing on Friday.
The leader of that group has issued a message in court for everyone to stand down and go home. The leader said they can now fight their case in court.
Somehow that sounds contrived. Maybe words put in peoples mouths by FEDS/media. Who knows.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...d-down-go-home
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midnight rambler (28th January 2016)
Giving the benefit of the doubt that Ammon Bundy did pass the stated message onto his lawyer to present publicly; I can see where his head is at-- he wants the peeps remaining at the compound to 'live to fight another day.'
I guess my base skepticism/pessimism shifts to the corrupt joodeo-masonic court system, which bends procedures & manipulates whatever trial outcome they wish.
It reminds me of how most people, like now, get caught up in imagining the fake "elections" have integrity/legitimacy, and build on that fallacious base presumption to get excited over this or that candidate or ballot measure, like RON Paul. The Donald, or labeling GMOs. So all their mental energy, time, "hope" goes into achieving their desired goals, from within a game which is rigged against them, whether that 'game' is the joodeo-masonic court system or the fake 'election' system.![]()
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Glass (28th January 2016)
oh dear... 5.x hours old vid (overnight hours across cont. US), 2656 views, 215 comments atm. 6.5 mins:
Oregon Standoff is STAGED! Militia Actor EXPOSED! WARNING! PAY ATTENTION! (Redsilverj)
RSJ doesn't tell when/where the dubious clip of those "jokuhs" was (and I agree with that "jokuhs" sentiment in this instance!); vid has no branding except RSJ's; first I've seen of the jokuhs; their tone/tenor is completely out of synch with everything else I've seen coming out of this event... weak sauce, RSJ!
Separately; haven't listened to this yet but Patty Aichen recently had JFriend on as guest, and she's pretty feisty herself:
Blackbird9's Breakfast Club with Frederick C. Blackburn 1/27/2016
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Witness Video: Police Version of Shooting in Oregon Totally Correct ... who the guy work for in the video , monty are pat may know . you keep hearing so many story of what has happen , see this story this morning
By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor on January 27, 2016
Bundy calls for surrender, fails to back "hands in the air" tale
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-cont...80-320x280.jpgLaVoy Finicum is dead. Was it necessary and who it to blame?
[ Editor’s update: Gordon and I had double posted on this story, so I am moving my intro to his comments below. The witness above who was stopped and arrested in the first car refutes the allegations made in this early reporting of an execution with his hands up in the air.
This is what I would classify as a credible witness, as he is telling what he knows with no hype, and he is already in carry on mode with the fight.
Finicum took off from the first road block after at least one person got out and was not fired upon, and then crashed into a snowbank while trying to run the backup roadblock. With two women in the car, one an 18-year-old girl, that was an irresponsible thing to do.
But Finicum left a big clue as reported by the NY Times Today, “I’m not going to end up in prison,” said Mr. Finicum, 54, who often appeared at news conferences wearing a broad cowboy hat on his head and a sidearm on his hip. “I would rather die than be caged. And I’ve lived a good life.”
He exited the car and charged the officers and was shot then… from the witnesses released and reported above. This video witness man was at a distance himself, but I suspect we will have plenty of video camera evidence of both stops, as that is routine in these situations where both sides want proof of what happened.
The rest of those stopped are alive, to tell their stories. Those with warrants were arrested and the others released. I am sure we will be hearing more about this in the next few days. For my two cents, these folks should have been aware that some sort of arrest could be expected and should have had a game plan to move the dispute into the courts, as will happen now.
I was surprised the Feds were letting this situation drag out. One of the reasons could be that they were waiting for the leaders to get overconfident and get sloppy. If the Feds wanted to avoid a legal case on the main theme, they will often tap phones and collect evidence for a conspiracy case, which can be a serious case, and nab a group at one time.
Any kind of shooting served neither the government’s position nor those arrested, injured or killed. The Jade Helm crew will crawl out from under their rocks and try to ride this pony, hoping we all will forget about their JH hoax, where Santilli was one of the main promoters. We are still waiting for video tours of the underground Walmart tunnels.
Here we have public relations genius, Mr. Santilli, with a few choice words to share with us.
Entering stage left next will be Alex “the Prison Planet – Jade Helm” Jones, to milk this for all he can get. We are still looking for the thousands of Russian commandos moving up the Mississippi River. At the end of the day, this is going to be a long drawn out legal case. The activists should be well represented... Jim W. Dean ]
__________…and now, for Gordon’s inputWith wild stories from “activist” types and armchair government bashers backing the liars and fabricationists around the Bundy scamsters, we offer this version, short and sweet.
There is no reason whatsoever for police to have shot only one person. The idea that it was an execution of one person is childish and insane.
The versions out there, the “hands in the air” crap is just that, simply not to be taken seriously. Shame on anyone who is so desperate to pretend to believe an obvious lie just to seem “cool” and “acceptable” to the Jade Helm hoaxter trailer trash.
Grow up. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01...tally-correct/
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STOP F*CKING WITH US.
Oregon standoff: Judge considers leaders to be flight risks, denies them release
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...d_news_article A federal court judge Wednesday ordered Ammon Bundy and six others accused in the armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge to remain in jail, calling them flight risks and a danger to public safety.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Barrow argued that they would return to the refuge and "bunker in" with their followers and stage a last violent stand if released.
The government is also concerned about the "dynamic situation involving an ongoing armed occupation," said fellow federal prosecutor, Ethan Knight.
The erstwhile occupiers made their first appearances in a U.S. District Court in Portland, each charged with a single count of conspiracy to impede officers from discharging their duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats. The crime carries a maximum six-year sentence and fines.
Two uniformed Federal Protective Services officers stood guard in the courtroom and a handful assembled inside the courthouse's front doors. More than 20 people were turned away from the hearing after more than 40 others packed the courtroom.
The defendants all were dressed in blue jail smocks over pink T-shirts, a stark change from the standard cowboy hats and jeans that they had worn the last 25 days during their occupation of the federal bird sanctuary outside Burns in Harney County.
Barrow said the group took over "the refuge by force and while armed."
Lisa Hay, Oregon's federal public defender, argued that the government's case is weak and targets several of the defendants for their political speech. On behalf of defendant Ryan Payne, Hay told the court, "Mr. Payne did not engage in violence. The evidence against him is political speech and presence."
All seven of the defendants – six men and one woman -- are set to return to court at 1:30 p.m. Friday to argue for their release in formal detention hearings. Their court-appointed attorneys signaled that they'll argue that the defendants have limited criminal records, stable homes and will return for their court appearances.
A 31-page federal complaint (PDF) alleges that Ammon Bundy and Payne, his fellow occupation leader, visited Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward on Oct. 5 and urged the sheriff to protect Burns area ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr. and his son, Steven Hammond, from returning to prison on federal arson charges.
Payne and Bundy told the sheriff that if the Hammonds spent one more day in jail, there would be "extreme civil unrest," the complaint said. By mid-December, a video titled "Time for some camping" was posted on a Facebook community page called "Harney County Liberty News." It showed a man announcing that he was doing some "tactical camping" in Harney County and posing outside a "Hammond Ranch Rd." sign, the complaint says.
The document contains extensive quotes and screen shots from multiple blog posts, Facebook videos and news interviews of the defendants, contending Ammon Bundy, his older brother, Ryan Bundy, Payne and their alleged conspirators issued a call to action for others to join them at the refuge in protest of the Hammonds' return to prison and the federal governing of public lands.
It mentions alleged threats and harassment of a woman who was at a Safeway in Burns, wearing a U.S. Bureau of Land Management shirt, and includes photos of at least one defendant sleeping in a refuge building.
Sixteen federal employees who work at the refuge, which covers more than 187,700 acres of habit for 320 bird species, have been prevented from doing any work at the property because of the defendants' threats of violence, the complaint says.
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Occupiers leaving amid mounting calls to end the takeover
Confusion reigned Wednesday at the windswept bird sanctuary that has served as the hub of an anti-government protest that captivated the country 30 miles outside this high desert town.
The Bureau of Land Management learned of the Jan. 2 refuge takeover by watching a live online video stream and was notified by a county sheriff's deputy later that day that a source had told him the occupiers had explosives, night vision goggles and weapons, according to the complaint. The land bureau shut its Burns district office two days later out of concern for the safety of its 80 employees.
On Tuesday afternoon, federal agents and state police moved in to arrest the siege leaders as they drove along U.S. 395 to a planned community meeting about 70 miles north in John Day. They were stopped about 20 miles outside Burns. Standoff spokesman Robert "LaVoy" Finicum, 55, of Arizona was shot and killed and Ryan Bundy sustained a minor gunshot wound in the 4:30 p.m. confrontation.
Ammon Bundy, 40, of Emmett, Idaho, was the only one of seven people in court who had a private attorney. The others -- Ryan Bundy, 43, of Bunkerville, Nevada, Ryan W. Payne, 32, of Anaconda, Montana, Brian Cavalier, 44, of Bunkerville, Nevada, and Shawna J. Cox, 59, of Kanab Utah, Joseph D. O'Shaughnessy, 43, of Cottonwood, Arizona, known in militia circles as "Captain," and independent broadcaster Pete T. Santilli, 50, of Cincinnati, were appointed public attorneys.
An eighth man, Jon Ritzheimer, 32, of Peoria, Arizona, who surrendered to police in Arizona, will be returned to Oregon for a future court appearance, said Oregon's U.S. Attorney Bill Williams.
All those who appeared in court were polite. Ryan Bundy seemed most relaxed, asking, "How are you today?" to the full courtroom as a deputy U.S. marshal led him in. He then turned to U.S. Magistrate Judge Stacie F. Beckerman and said, "Good afternoon, how are you today?"
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Jason Patrick, 2 others linked to Oregon refuge occupation taken into custody
The FBI arrested Jason Patrick, 43,of Bonaire, Georgia, at a checkpoint outside the refuge about 8:40 p.m., authorities said.
Santilli scanned the crowd as he entered the courtroom.
His defense lawyer, Tom Coan, urged the court to release him immediately, describing him as an independent press agent who broadcasts his own show on YouTube.
"He produced on his show a call to action asking unarmed patriots to come out and join them" and suggested some bring flowers, Coan said. Santilli talked about the Second Amendment right to bear arms, Coan said, but made "no call to violence, in fact a suggestion otherwise."
"All he was doing was exercising his First Amendment rights to speak and associate with other people," Coan said.
The federal complaint quotes heavily from Santilli's YouTube videos – he's heard saying he's not armed but "armed with my mouth." The complaint contends Santilli has identified himself as a member of the patriot-affiliated Oath Keepers, wears insignia that indicates he's also affiliated with the III% group and posted a video on Dec. 27 called "Operation Hammond Ranch – Patriot ALL-CALL Deployment to Oregon."
On the day of the refuge takeover, a Santilli video captures Ammon Bundy saying off camera, "We're continuing the stand (at/out) the MNWR .... Let everybody know that. ... They're to go to the MNWR ... after the rally."
Santilli is heard responding, "OK, here we go," the complaint says.
By Jan. 21, Santilli is on camera calling for patriots to "staff up."
"We have a Second Amendment right uh to do that, to keep and bear arms. So those patriots that do keep and bear arms lawfully and constitutionally, it's time to staff up now! Right now," the federal document quotes him saying.
Amy Baggio, O'Shaughnessy's lawyer, described him as a law-abiding man who has minor infractions on his record – a dog-at-large without a collar and a traffic offense. She called him an "excellent candidate to remain out of custody," saying he lives with his mother and has previously worked as an EMT and firefighter though he's currently unemployed.
Federal prosecutors noted in the complaint that O'Shaughnessy was on video talking about setting up a "constitutional security protection force to make sure that these federal agents and these law enforcement don't just come in here like cowboys."
Cox's lawyer, Renee Manes, argued the case against Cox contained few details of specific offenses. She asked the court to have federal authorities return Cox's seized eyeglasses so she could read the full complaint.
Payne, according to the complaint, was stopped by Burns police on Jan. 5 at a McDonald's Restaurant in Harney County, wearing a holster on his hip. The complaint also includes a photo of Payne sleeping in a common room at the refuge and cites a Nov. 20 email he sent encouraging others to "defend the Hammonds."
Hay, the public defender, scoffed at the limited material in the complaint and urged the court to release Payne with conditions. She described Payne as a journeyman electrician with family in Montana.
"Engaging in political speech is not a crime," Hay said.
Barrow countered that the offense is serious and the occupation is ongoing. "He's repeatedly professed his disregard for the powers of the federal government" and likely wouldn't return to court if released, he argued.
Hay shot back, criticizing the government for using someone's "disregard for the powers of federal government" as a reason to keep a person in custody. She called it "anathema to everything we stand for ... the worst kind of argument the government can make."
Ritzheimer is accused of harassing a woman with a Bureau of Land Management shirt that he saw Dec. 18 at a Safeway in Burns. He was with another man, who reportedly shouted, "You're BLM. You're BLM" to the woman and threatened to follow her home and burn her house down, the complaint says. The woman reported seeing Ritzheimer and the other man leave the area in a black pickup and noticed a similar truck outside her home after that encounter, the complaint said.
At the close of the one-and-a-half hour hearing, Ammon Bundy's lawyer made a plea outside the courthouse on his client's behalf, urging those remaining at the refuge to "Please go home."
After the defendants appear Friday for detention hearings, they're set to return to court next Wednesday for preliminary hearings to determine if the government has probable cause to hold them. A second arraignment is scheduled for Feb. 24.
“Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you’re not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, mad-dog mean. ‘Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That’s just the way it is.” ~ Outlaw Josey Wales…
STOP F*CKING WITH US.