150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters

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Hearing Scripture must drive those possessed by Satan* into fits of rage.

*oh, and fwiw, Satanists are merely another form of Christian since in order to believe in Satan one must believe in The Word along with a belief in Jesus

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Hearing Scripture must drive those possessed by Satan* into fits of rage.

*oh, and fwiw, Satanists are merely another form of Christian since in order to believe in Satan one must believe in The Word

No doubt about that.

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John Lamb with Oct. 6 video report of morning session of Malheur Protest trial



https://youtu.be/i_6Ko9y54mk

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At one point of their conversation Briana Bundy tells Jim Lambley Nevada is not a full state, but still a territory. I believe she is confused. Nevada's enabling legislation forever gave up the rights to all public land within the borders of the state. Both the Nevada Constitution and Nevada Revised Statutes have been amended to override the enabling act.

I believe what Brianna Bundy mistakenly believes about still being a territory is actually that Nevada was not admitted on an egual footing to the other states.

There was a case of a similar kind in New York State where the legislature gave away something that was contrary to the spirit of the constitution. The result of this case which was challenged and went to the Supreme Court where the Court ruled in favor on the challengers. Saying in affect that no legislature has the power to make law that is contrary to the Constitution.

Kirk at defend rural America had it on his website.
http://americannationalmilitia.com/w...risdiction.pdf

View the paragraph just above territories caption on left side of page.

Attachment 8531

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After almost 3 days of testimony Ammon Bundy was briefly cross examined by the prosecution.

These leftist reporters have trouble telling the truth about LaVoy's murder. They can't resist painting him as a criminal. Even though the entire article was about another subject the bitch had to interject her poisonous venom.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-sta...ss-examin.html

Ammon Bundy: Guns allowed Oregon refuge occupiers to express First Amendment rights

http://image.oregonlive.com/home/oli...atars/4406.pngBy Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive
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on October 06, 2016 at 6:14 PM, updated October 06, 2016 at 7:02 PM



After Ammon Bundy spent three days testifying about why he occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, a prosecutor Thursday afternoon fired rapid questions at him during a cross-examination that lasted just under 15 minutes.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Ethan Knight started out, "You are the leader'' of the occupation, right?
"No,'' Bundy said.

"Isn't it true you testified you're 'sort of the leader,''' Knight asked, noting that hours earlier Bundy had told jurors that he gave dozens and dozens of press conferences at the refuge and described in detail all of his followers.

"Is it your testimony today you were not the leader?'' Knight continued.
Bundy told Knight he wanted to clarify "what you're wanting me to say."
"I teach correct principles and let them govern themselves,'' Bundy said.

And so the cross-examination went, with the prosecutor highlighting key testimony that Bundy offered earlier in his federal conspiracy trial that seemed to bolster the government's case against him:
There was a "unified purpose'' to the occupation, guns played a role in helping carry out the refuge takeover, that Bundy knew federal employees worked at the site and Bundy and others used parts of the refuge as their own.

Knight's quick questions in a combative tone were striking in contrast to the soft-spoken questions that Bundy's lawyer Marcus Mumford asked during about 10 hours of direct examination.

Bundy is one of seven defendants charged with preventing employees from the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service and U.S. Bureau of Land Management from doing their work through intimidation, threats or force during the 41-day occupation of the eastern Oregon bird sanctuary last winter.

The prosecutor asked if it were true that Bundy testified earlier Thursday that "We were all there for a unified purpose.''

Bundy said he didn't remember.

Knight pointed out that Bundy had testified that he gave Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward no ultimatums or threats.

"But you told him unless he agreed with your demands, there would be extreme civil unrest?'' Knight asked.
"I don't believe I said that,'' Bundy responded.

Knight referred to Bundy's testimony that he used a GPS to find the Malheur refuge when he went there on Jan. 2, the start of the occupation.

"You had to use GPS to get there even though you planned to control it until 2036?'' Knight asked incredulously, referring to Bundy's contention that he was trying to stake claim to the property through adverse possession.

Bundy's lawyer Marcus Mumford objected to the form of the question.

"My question is you went to a location you've never been before for that purpose?'' Knight continued.
"You're assuming I'm acknowledging it's a federal property,'' Bundy replied. "We were there disputing it was a federal property.''

"So you're saying the property you went to was not, in your belief, a federal property?''
"No,'' Bundy said.

"Yet you were trying to adversely possess it ... isn't that correct?'' Knight questioned.
"Yes,'' Bundy replied.

Knight pounced on Bundy's direct testimony earlier in the day about a maroon pouch, which had been locked in a refuge filing cabinet but was found later in one of the defendant's cars. It contained cash, refuge gas cards, credit cards and a refuge employee ID card, according to earlier testimony.

Bundy said during direct testimony that someone had brought the pouch to him during the occupation and it contained cash. He said he placed it in the loft of refuge biologist Linda Beck's office, where he was staying, to keep it secured.

"It wasn't ours. We didn't have a right to use it,'' Bundy testified.

Knight reminded Bundy of his statements and asked, "Yet you felt differently about the rest of the refuge, isn't that right?''

Bundy said the pouch was "clearly separate from the refuge'' as it contained receipts from the nonprofit Friends of the Malheur Refuge, which supports the sanctuary.

"We could see receipts and we knew the money was not ours,'' Bundy testified.

"And that property was different than all the other property at the refuge?'' Knight pressed.
"It needed to be secured, yes,'' Bundy replied.

Bundy added that the gas and credit cards were placed in the pouch by people occupying the refuge.
Knight questioned Bundy whether he knew federal employees worked at the refuge.
"I assumed they did,'' Bundy answered.

Knight asked if he made changes to the property? Bundy asked what he meant by "changes.''
In response to further questions, Bundy said yes, the signs were changed and the kitchen was used, but he testified that he hadn't accessed any computers or built any new roads, as Knight suggested.

Government testimony earlier in the trial indicated that three refuge employees' computers were accessed using one refuge worker's computer code and that a new road was made to the bunkhouse.

Knight asked whether all the changes made at the refuge were steps to stake claim to the property through adverse possession?

"You would take those steps in any federal government facility and it would be yours?'' Knight questioned.
"No there's a process,'' Bundy said. "There has to be a legitimate dispute.''

Knight said guns were brought to "keep the federal government away," right?
"No,'' Bundy responded.

Yet Knight reminded him of his testimony that if the occupiers hadn't brought firearms to the refuge, they likely would have been hauled off in zip ties and handcuffs in a paddy wagon.

"So the presence of guns prolonged your presence?'' Knight asked.
"It protected us from being detained,'' Bundy said. "I would say they allowed us to express our First Amendment rights.''

Knight asked Bundy if it was his belief that federal government's power is limited by the U.S Constitution.
Bundy said the government's powers are restricted to those "enumerated'' in the 10th Amendment.
"If you'd like me to read the 10th Amendment,'' Bundy offered.
"Thank you, that's OK,'' Knight cut in.

"You're not a rancher?'' Knight asked.
"No. ... I grew up on a ranch,'' Bundy said.

Then Knight turned to Bundy's business, a fleet management company called Valet Fleet Service. Bundy acknowledged that he managed it during the occupation.

Knight asked if it were true that Bundy had received a $530,000 loan from the U.S. Small Business Administration to support his business. Bundy's lawyer objected to the question, but the judge overruled the objection.

Knight said he offered the information to show that Bundy, even during his occupation of the federal refuge, has relied on the federal government, with his business partly funded by the government loan.
Bundy testified that he received the loan from a bank in Glendale, Arizona, about seven years ago.
"I don't think it's against the Constitution,'' Bundy responded. "If you want to debate the Constitution, I'll debate it.''

Knight said he was done with his cross-examination.

During redirect questioning by his lawyer, Bundy said he obtained the loan when he was merging two businesses into one and hasn't defaulted on it. Even while in jail the last 8 ½ months, he said he's continued to pay off the loan.

"I feel it's my obligation to do so,'' Bundy said.

"You pay taxes?'' Mumford asked. Bundy said yes.

"You pay federal taxes?'' Mumford asked. "Absolutely,'' Bundy replied.

Earlier Thursday, co-defendant Ryan Bundy questioned his brother, addressing him awkwardly at first as "Mr. Bundy,'' then later slipping in the less formal, "Brother Ammon.''

Jeanette Finicum takes the stand

Also Thursday, Jeanette Finicum, the widow of occupation spokesman Robert "LaVoy'' Finicum, briefly testified.

She said her husband got a call on New Year's Day, asking him to support the Jan. 2 rally in Burns in support of Harney County ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr. and Steven Hammond, ordered to return to prison for arson on federal lands.

She said her husband drove all night to Burns with co-defendant Ryan Bundy. She thought he'd stay a day or two, and when he told her he was at the refuge and planned to be there, she urged him to return to Utah.
"The first part of the week I repeatedly asked my husband to come home,'' she said, breaking down in tears.
By the end of that first week, she said her husband was committed to staying because local ranchers had urged him to do so. She visited the refuge the weekend of Jan. 22, and had planned to meet up with her husband again in Idaho on the following weekend.

The judge didn't allow anyone to question Finicum's widow about her husband's shooting, or a wrongful death lawsuit that she intends to bring against the government.

"She should not be asked about his death, period,'' U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown instructed.

State police fatally shot her husband after he drove off from a police stop on Jan. 26, crashed his truck into a snowbank, got out and tried to reach into his jacket at least three times, according to police. Investigators found a loaded 9mm handgun inside his left jacket pocket.

A federal investigation is ongoing into an alleged firing of gunshots by FBI agents at the scene and an alleged cover-up of the evidence.

-- Maxine Bernstein
mbernstein@oregonian.com
503-221-8212
@maxoregonian

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Ammon Bundy defies judge and talks about his friend LaVoy Finicum



https://youtu.be/Cax0ed1PqE0

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Kelli Stewart has an informative video on her facebook page re today's court session. Her description of the judge's demeanor will keep you smiling.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1561375057522605/permalink/1696532420673534/

Video has been uploaded to youtube

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Todd Macfarlane Day 15 from RangeFire, Malheur Protest trial Ammon Bundy completes his testimony, the defense has very few questions, Jeanette Finicum testified.

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/29/ongoi...e-defense-case

DAY 16 — Thursday, October 6, 2016
Ammon Bundy’s testimony continued today. He testified about his purposes, objectives, intentions, and actions at MNWR. He reiterated that one of his primary objectives was to stake an adverse possession claim, because he believed ownership of the Refuge property was in dispute, and he was disputing federal ownership of the property. Consequently, based on Adverse Possession principles, he took steps to change signs, and to actually change and improve the property, including clean-up and repairs. Although some have
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asserted that the Adverse Possession defense was something Bundy and his attorneys came up with after the fact, they presented evidence, including videos, that he had presented classes on the subject of Adverse Possession at the Refuge, and showed pictures supporting his testimony that it was part of his purpose from the outset. When asked about his exit strategy, Bundy testified that his plan was to teach locals, including the Harney County Committee of Safety and local ranchers; turn the effort, including possession of the Refuge over to them to move forward with in challenging the federal government’s ownership, possession and jurisdiction, and leave. Once again, check out Bundy Court Sketches on Facebook.

Ammon Bundy said that based on what he was trying to accomplish, he didn’t believe he was doing anything unlawful, and certainly not criminal. He said he thought there was a possiblity that the federal goverment would take action, civilly, to claim he and his associates were trespassing at the Refuge, and would take action, civilly, to evict them. He said that because the idea of conspiring to impede or interfere with federal employees had never even crossed his mind, he did not consider the possiblity of such charges. By the time Ammon Bundy was done testifying, it was clear that much hard-fought evidence had come in that the Government worked desperately to keep out, seriously undermining the government’s already marginal case.

After hours on the witness stand in direct examination, Bundy was only cross-examined by the prosecution for less than 20 minutes. On cross examination, Bundy admitted that he had taken a federal government-guaranteed loan for his business, and that he pays federal taxes. He said that he recognizes and believes in the federal government, but believes its proper role is limited by the constitution. When prosecutor Ethan

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Knight attempted to question Bundy about that, he offered to debate the constitution and what it means with Knight, who declined, and moved on with his questioning, including the reason for bringing guns to the refuge. Bundy testified that it was so they would be taken seriously, get more attention, be able to defend themselves, if necessary, and to help insure their right to exercise their First Amendment rights.

After Bundy’s testimony was finished, LaVoy Finicum’s widow, Jeanette Finicum, took the stand. She testified about the facts and circumstances surrounding LaVoy’s trip to the Refuge. She said the protest rally in Burns to support the Hammonds wasn’t even on his radar screen until the day before (1/1/2016) when he received a phone call. When he left home he was planning to go up for the rally and come straight back. Jeanette said that she was surprised that he had decided to stay, and she broke down in tears as she testified that she spent the first week trying to convince him to come home, until she resigned herself to the fact that he was committed to stay, because, according to him, local ranchers wanted him, and the others to be there.

We’ll be talking with Trent Loos about weekly trial updates tomorrow, and plan on shooting a weekly recap video as well.

For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive, and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB), Bundy Court Sketches on Facebook, or Gary Hunt at Outpost for Freedom and Redoubt News.

At RANGEFIRE! we believe in the need for alternative voices to mainstream media commentary and coverage of these issues.

RANGE / RANGEFIRE! — Addressing Issues Facing the West / Spreading America’s Cowboy Spirit Beyond the Outback

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http://on-stand.beforeitsnews.com/al...d-3422003.html

Jeanette Finicum Testifies in Bundy Trial – Ammon Continues on Stand

(Before It's News)


Lorie Kramer Here’s John Lamb’s report from the Federal Courthouse in Portland, OR during today’s session of the case of the Feds vs. We the People; otherwise known as US Government vs, Bundy et all.

Today Ammon continued on the stand. It appears he was allowed to get some reality of what those people were doing there out at the Malheur Refuge to the jury. Ammon continued to wear jail clothes.

Jeanette Finicum was also called to the stand today. Judge Anna Brown gave a lot of restrictions in what the widow of the slain LaVoy Finicum would be allowed to say. Court observers reported that there were tears in the eyes of several jurors today, as well there should have been if they are humans with working hearts.

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David Fry remains in solitary confinement, but his spirits are good. It amazes me that he is still being held at all, let alone in solitary. I had the honor of meeting Jeff Banta and Sean and Sandy Anderson while I was in Portland. Each time I saw them I thought to myself that David Fry should be able to be there too. He saved all of their lives. Heck, they let Shawna out with an ankle bracelet at first, they could have done that with him. Shame. I am grateful his parents have been there with him this week. At least they were allowed to visit with David. Lisa Bundy, Ammon’s wife, was not allowed to visit her husband when she was here and attended court earlier in the week, and had to watch her husband on the stand. These women are so very strong.

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David Fry

Overall, truth is getting out bit by bit. The Feds have asked very few questions today. One of the odd ones was when they asked Ammon Bundy if it was true that he said he would stay at the refuge until 2036. Ammon responded (paraphrased) no, it only takes 7 years to own the land in Oregon law; refering to the process of adverse possession which is what was actually being attempted, peacefully and lawfully, in Harney County.





John Lamb’s live streams can be found here https://www.facebook.com/john.lamb.16121


Defense witness Lee Rice’s situation is updated herehttps://www.facebook.com/lee.rice2/v...9/?pnref=story

Please share, get to Portland if you can, you will never regret standing, and we need to stand, badly.


And yes, John, I wish I was still there as well. God bless you and brother David.

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Youtube videos of the Malheur Protest trial from this week this week

Oct. 4


https://youtu.be/gev8jeo6ngI

Oct. 5


https://youtu.be/D6zR8GKzYZk

Oct. 6 also posted Before its News



https://youtu.be/tzvQm9GlA4g