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Response to PLC’s & Its Lawyers’ Attack on the Range Allotment Owners Association — by Tim K. Smith

February 26, 2017 - Government/Politics, Land Use News - Tagged: Alllotment, Association, grazing, McIntosh, PLC, public lands, Public Lands Council, Ranching, Range, Range Allotment Owners, RANGEfire, RAO - 2 comments


PLC and Legal Community Comment on the Range Allotment Owners Association

[Please refer to the added, numbered and underlined phrases addressed in the comments listed below]

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WASHINGTON (Feb. 20, 2017) — Ethan Lane, executive director of the Public Lands Council, today released the following statement and open letter regarding the Range Allotment Owners Association:
“The Public Lands Council is the only organization in Washington, DC,

(1) who solely represents the 22,000 ranchers who operate on public lands.Since 1968,

(2) PLC has had boots on the ground in the halls of Congress and the federal land management agencies,working to ensure that rancher’s voices are heard.

(3) “Recently, a group has materialized, claiming to be the only organization that represents the public lands rancher. This group, called the Range Allotment Owners [RAO] Association, is advancing a compelling

(4) but dangerous theory, that ranchers who hold grazing permits on public lands are not merely permittees, but allotment owners. While we at PLC fight every day for the preference and property rights of ranchers,

(5) we feel that this particular theory goes beyond our legal rights and could ultimately result in the loss of permits and subsequent destruction of family ranches.

(6) “We are lucky in this industry to have a deep bench of legal talent that is focused on our issues and represent our interests in the courts. These assembled legal minds have released the following open letter on this general topic, which we present to you independent of our opinions and analysis.

(7) That so many of the names on the attached letter will be familiar to you is a testament to their commitment to our industry and their years of work on behalf of ranchers.”

Comments on numbered items above; by Tim K Smith, Harney Co,, Oregon

• “who solely represents the 22,000 ranchers who operate on public lands”. When I first read this statement my thought was “who is PLC trying to sell this to”? Efforts to offer alternative detail, thought and discussion on resource rights has clearly touched a raw nerve with the PLC/Cattlemen’s Associations. There are groups in essentially every rural community who are working to improve the lot of grazers and resource users on currently Federally managed lands. This verbiage smacks of a defensive position for the organization rather than a recognition and welcoming of other efforts to benefit the ranchers and resource users. The decline in the associations’ numbers and the significant loss of grazing numbers across the West give a hint as to the effectiveness of their work and reasoning behind their fear of new rancher support groups.
• “PLC has had boots on the ground in the halls of Congress and the federal land management agencies,” Boots on the ground in DC does nothing to help educate individual ranchers and resource users about their existing rights or unify them to the point where they can stand up for their individual rights and economic security. When did we give away our individual voice and responsibility for our own welfare to any group? We all need to regain our sense of independence from absentee government and politically motivated administrators and attorneys. To be educated and independent is our civic duty and our duty to our families and neighbors, which is not to be farmed out to anyone who may or may not have lost sight of their original purpose and our inherent freedoms. Education will allow ranchers and resource users to better know how and when to reach out to groups like PLC and Cattlemen’s Associations and their assets.
• “Recently, a group has materialized, claiming to be the only organization that represents the public lands rancher. I have been watching, and been supportive of, the RAO’s goals and claims since its inception. Not one time have I ever heard or seen it claim “to be the only organization that represents the public lands rancher”. In contrast, RAO and its associates have reached out to various land rights groups, cattlemen’s associations, agencies and legislative bodies and invited them to the discussion regarding the need for education and information about the status of “public lands” and land rights. This past year it became clear that ranchers were uncomfortable about their rights to the point of being intimidated away from getting into conflict with the Federal agencies. In my observation this is what led to the formation of RAO. Unification and cooperation of existing resource advocacy groups has always been a desire of the founders and supporters of RAO. In addition, PLC’s blithe use of the term “public lands” here shows the need for education as to what the term “public land” means and how often the term is misused and overused.
• “but dangerous theory, that ranchers who hold grazing permits on public lands are not merely permittees, but allotment owners”. What is the danger here? Is the danger that ranchers will become educated enough to understand when they can stand up for themselves vs when they need to submit? Is the danger that if better educated, the ranchers will still not be smart enough or judicious enough to know what information can or will fit their operation and whether or not to use it to their benefit? Or…Is the danger that if ranchers become informed and more unified they will be able to stand up for themselves as individuals or as unified force and not need a fleet of lawyers? My background is in in mining so I will use this common sense example. A mining claim is to mining as a grazing allotment is to livestock grazing. Without question a mining claim is real property and can be bought or sold or inherited as a real property asset. It obviously travel with the land as well. Why is it then that a grazing allotment is purported by the government and the PLC as not a real property asset? It travels with the land as well. It seems that it is because that’s what the government has said and what the lawyers have accepted and not what the intent of the various Congressional Acts have intended. This discussion must be rejoined and settled, not simply disregarded.
• “we feel that this particular theory goes beyond our legal rights”. I am glad they used this term “feel”. This is a classic term used by the left or a person or group in a problematic intellectual position when they do not “know”. Again I will say here, educate and unify significant numbers of our resource users and then let them make the decision as to whether or not their rights are being upheld or abused by the managing agency. They then can determine their best course of action and not just suck it up and continue to be “managed at will”.
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• “We are lucky in this industry to have a deep bench of legal talent”. When I read this I had to think, this is like saying; I know I have symptoms of a disease that may be curable but thank goodness there are lots of good doctors out there so I will just treat the symptoms and go after the disease later. How about we define the disease, define the treatment and complete the cure??
• “That so many of the names on the attached letter will be familiar to you is a testament to their commitment”. This statement makes it clear that the approach by PLC and the fleets of attorneys out there is to treat the symptom and not really go after the disease. In my opinion the disease here is twofold. (a) The short term lack of understanding of the rights inherent on split estate lands currently under Federal management, and; (b) the long term poorly managed Federally controlled lands which could be better managed ecologically, economically, and flexibly under more local jurisdiction. While there may be some young attorneys out there who are dedicated to the cause of a better and more productive use of our resources, in the long term attorneys get promoted to make money for their firms. There is no long term incentive for them to permanently cure the disease.

2 thoughts on “Response to PLC’s & Its Lawyers’ Attack on the Range Allotment Owners Association — by Tim K. Smith”

• http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/900e5a2...?s=78&d=mm&r=gChris ZindaFebruary 27, 2017 at 9:12 am
  
  Mr. Smith: the dangers are tested legal claims of the RAO and what it means for permittees.
  What you and the Storm crew want is ‘critical mass’ as a popular uprising to force your position of permits as ‘property right’. It is clear you/Mac/Mc reject case law as hamburger, have been called in it by lawyers in your industry, and that the efforts of Finicum, Bert Smith, MacFarlane, Sylvesters and McIntosh have utterly failed.
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  Curious: Is the UT AG still placating the 8 Storm Cedar City permit renouncers (like Stanton Gleave, Matt Wood)? I hope Gleave follows through with the pact he made with Cliven and LaVoy. Seems to me, besides testing the legal wayers THAT is your best bet. But, he won’t, as he, they, too, all saw the writing on the wall the PLC did, never ‘really’ following through.
  
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• http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d713400...?s=78&d=mm&r=gJamesFebruary 27, 2017 at 9:18 am
  
  All I can say is when it comes to Chris Zinda, PLC and its lawyers, consider the sources. They all have their own separate, government-controlled, environmental agenda. They are all tainted sources. Take everything they all say with a grain of salt.
  
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