In your personal view, does God exist

[aeondaze]

I don't think its 50/50.

There are plenty of forum members that don't subscribe to any of the Abrahamic traditions but seem sure there is an omnipotent entity.

I actually think it takes a lot of strength to discard the notion of god's, contrary to popular opinion. I also don't think most atheists are immoral or even amoral which is also counter to the prevailing thoughts around here.

Jewish atheism is not the same thing either, this stems from a completely different view of god where 'god' is not so much an all powerful entity as it is the will of the Jewish people themselves. I've written about this aspect of Jewish atheism before.

Contrary to popular opinion, only Jews think that they can be atheists, non-Jewish atheists are a threat to Jewish ideology and thus they treat them with a profound contempt that is worse than the mere ridicule reserved for Christians.

Just clearing the air preemptively before all the chest nuts get paraded out...

[EE_]

I also don't think most atheists are immoral or even amoral which is also counter to the prevailing thoughts around here.

I don't think most non-Jewish atheists are immoral either, but it's only because of Christian influence most were exposed to from an early age, when the US was a mostly a Christian society.

With with Christainity waning today and Jewish atheism filling the void, being pushed on society, new generations of atheists are becoming less moral then previous generations. It's easy to see with homosexuality now being promoted as normal and healthy.

I often use an analogy with non-Jewish atheists, "what keeps them from killing their neighbor to take what they have?" If they knew they would not be caught and put in prison, there would be no reason not to kill...would there?

Does anyone not see, it is Jewish atheists that run/control everything that is important to society.
It is Jewish atheists that also control and profit from everything evil in society.

It always amazes me that most Christains worship these white/Christian hating Jewish atheist and even place them above themselves and their country.

[aeondaze]

I don't think most non-Jewish atheists are immoral either, it's only because of the Christian influence most were exposed to from an early age when the US was a mostly a Christian society.

With with Christainity waning today and Jewish atheism filling the void, being pushed on society, new generations of atheists are becoming less moral then previous generations. It's easy to see with homosexuality now being promoted as normal and healthy.

I often use an analogy with atheists, "what keeps them from killing their neighbor to take what they have?"
If they knew they would not be caught and put in prison, there would be no reason not to kill...would there?

Does anyone not see, it is Jewish atheists that run/control everything that is important to society.
It is Jewish atheists that also control and profit from everything evil in society.

If you think they are actually atheists in the non-jewish sense, then I have have to disagree.

As I've stated before in not so many words their needs from a 'god' has changed considerably from their tribal days pre OT.

Today, they neither fear their god nor worship him. He is merely a vehicle for the dominance of the jewish people over non-jews. Their understanding of their 'god' today is merely symbolic of some divine right the jewish people reserve strictly for themselves. It is an anthropomorphic representation of their desires and nothing more. To them their is no moral imperative that would ever override the prime jewish directive of survival and subordination of non-jews. They reserve the right to use god as vehicle to dominate on the one hand and on the other to utterly discard the concept when they see fit.

This is hardly the same as a non jewish atheist.

As far as moral action is concerned, there is none greater than the desire to see ones offspring survive and thrive, this is what ultimately governs moral behaviors in close social circles, the rest is just invective righteousness invented with little purpose other than dominance. This 'moral' code doesn't require invention through religious thought, it is inherent.

[EE_]

If you think they are actually atheists in the non-jewish sense, then I have have to disagree.

I'm not sure I understand this? My reference was to Jewish born people, people that call themselves Jews and atheists.

As far as moral action is concerned, there is none greater than the desire to see ones offspring survive and thrive, this is what ultimately governs moral behaviors in close social circles, the rest is just invective righteousness invented with little purpose other than dominance. This 'moral' code doesn't require invention through religious thought, it is inherent.

I don't agree that moral code is inherent. Man is not born with it.
Many in the world have no moral code. Where is their inherent moral code?

As far as survival of your offspring, what keeps you from killing anyone that treats your child poorly?
What keeps you from killing another child that bullies, or hits your child? Only the threat of prison, by man's laws?

[aeondaze]

As far as survival of your offspring, what keeps you from killing anyone that treats your child poorly?
What keeps you from killing another child that bullies, or hits your child? Only the threat of prison, by man's laws?

Nothing, other than shared interests.

With all due respect, a belief in god doesn't prevent any of these things from happening either....

[Neuro]

I'm not sure I understand this? My reference was to Jewish born people, people that call themselves Jews and atheists.I don't agree that moral code is inherent. Man is not born with it. Many in the world have no moral code. Where is their inherent moral code?As far as survival of your offspring, what keeps you from killing anyone that treats your child poorly?What keeps you from killing another child that bullies, or hits your child? Only the threat of prison, by man's laws?

Humans are social creatures, that live in societies, and like other social animals in herds, we have moral codes in terms of what is acceptable behavior, most animals/humans adhere to these moral codes, the exception in normal circumstances is certain individuals who seem to have no regard for these rules, among humans we call them psychopaths or sociopaths... In extraordinary circumstances, dis-solution of society, starvation and unrest, more people are prepared to do wrong.

Does Christianity bring about a different moral code? Possibly, but to be honest I think for instance Italy and Turkey has more in common morally/culturally than Italy and Sweden, and probably Viking Era Scandinavia has more moral connectiveness with today's Sweden than modern Italy and Sweden.A lawyer I know in Turkey was amazed when she found out that contracts didn't need to be notarized in Sweden to be admissible in a court at a later date. She started learning Swedish... It used to be that the word of a man was to be trusted, now with import of turd worlders it's changing...

Anyway I think morality is a genetic trait to a large extent, but you grow into it and depending on upbringing it can be enhanced or diminished!

[crimethink]

Anyway I think morality is a genetic trait to a large extent, but you grow into it and depending on upbringing it can be enhanced or diminished!

Christianity – Religion of the West

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/oliver1.html

[Libertytree]

I'm a Christian with a few Deist tendancies , or so I think.

[Celtic Rogue]

I dont know for sure... but I am pretty sure there is no magic man in the sky that created everything Nor does he/she do anything when people pray for things to happen! Here are the questions that always come to me when I ponder the possibility of a god.

Why would a supreme being have to create people and require them to worship him? And be so punitive to punish people that dont... and punish them for eternity! WOW... such a prick! Is god insecure or have a megalomaniac mind set?

Why does anyone with such powers need this worship? Seems odd. Also if god created EVERYTHING... where did he exist before he created everything? In another dimension? If so then he didnt create everything because at some point their would be nothing and nowhere to exist for himself.

To me god is a fix for the basic insecurity that we animals with self awareness created to placate our fears about death and the unknown. I am content to live my life... die and return to the elements that I am made of to nourish future generations of life on our planet. I need no place to go when I die to live for eternity with god and my loved ones.

There are and have been many religions and views of what god is... Why now is this one the only true god? I am sure all the other people around the world and through time felt that their god(s) were also the true god too! Religion and the believe in a god is used to control the populous! Always has and always will!

[aeondaze]

I am content to live my life... die and return to the elements that I am made of to nourish future generations of life on our planet.

Beautifully put.

Its the simplicity of atheism which I find actually opens up the real beauty of the universe with all its conundrums and isolation, it has a sweet melancholy that few believers can appreciate.