View Poll Results: Does God exist, and specifically what is His nature

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  • God is the Christian God

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  • God is other monotheistic God

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  • God is of pantheist nature

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  • I subscribe to deism but unspecific

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  • I am not sure if God exists

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    In your personal view, does God exist

    We have a variety of views. Let's see what the breakdown is. I will make the poll anonymous, but you can state what you wish in then thread. I apologize in advance if you do not like the choices. The poll will stay open indefinitely. You may only pick one poll option.

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    Re: In your personal view, does God exist

    As most of you would imagine, I picked choice 1, God is the Christian God.

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    Re: In your personal view, does God exist

    I don't think its 50/50.

    There are plenty of forum members that don't subscribe to any of the Abrahamic traditions but seem sure there is an omnipotent entity.

    I actually think it takes a lot of strength to discard the notion of god's, contrary to popular opinion. I also don't think most atheists are immoral or even amoral which is also counter to the prevailing thoughts around here.

    Jewish atheism is not the same thing either, this stems from a completely different view of god where 'god' is not so much an all powerful entity as it is the will of the Jewish people themselves. I've written about this aspect of Jewish atheism before.

    Contrary to popular opinion, only Jews think that they can be atheists, non-Jewish atheists are a threat to Jewish ideology and thus they treat them with a profound contempt that is worse than the mere ridicule reserved for Christians.

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    Re: In your personal view, does God exist

    Quote Originally Posted by aeondaze View Post
    I also don't think most atheists are immoral or even amoral which is also counter to the prevailing thoughts around here.
    I don't think most non-Jewish atheists are immoral either, but it's only because of Christian influence most were exposed to from an early age, when the US was a mostly a Christian society.

    With with Christainity waning today and Jewish atheism filling the void, being pushed on society, new generations of atheists are becoming less moral then previous generations. It's easy to see with homosexuality now being promoted as normal and healthy.

    I often use an analogy with non-Jewish atheists, "what keeps them from killing their neighbor to take what they have?" If they knew they would not be caught and put in prison, there would be no reason not to kill...would there?

    Does anyone not see, it is Jewish atheists that run/control everything that is important to society.
    It is Jewish atheists that also control and profit from everything evil in society.

    It always amazes me that most Christains worship these white/Christian hating Jewish atheist and even place them above themselves and their country.
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    Re: In your personal view, does God exist

    Quote Originally Posted by EE_ View Post
    I don't think most non-Jewish atheists are immoral either, it's only because of the Christian influence most were exposed to from an early age when the US was a mostly a Christian society.

    With with Christainity waning today and Jewish atheism filling the void, being pushed on society, new generations of atheists are becoming less moral then previous generations. It's easy to see with homosexuality now being promoted as normal and healthy.

    I often use an analogy with atheists, "what keeps them from killing their neighbor to take what they have?"
    If they knew they would not be caught and put in prison, there would be no reason not to kill...would there?

    Does anyone not see, it is Jewish atheists that run/control everything that is important to society.
    It is Jewish atheists that also control and profit from everything evil in society.
    If you think they are actually atheists in the non-jewish sense, then I have have to disagree.

    As I've stated before in not so many words their needs from a 'god' has changed considerably from their tribal days pre OT.

    Today, they neither fear their god nor worship him. He is merely a vehicle for the dominance of the jewish people over non-jews. Their understanding of their 'god' today is merely symbolic of some divine right the jewish people reserve strictly for themselves. It is an anthropomorphic representation of their desires and nothing more. To them their is no moral imperative that would ever override the prime jewish directive of survival and subordination of non-jews. They reserve the right to use god as vehicle to dominate on the one hand and on the other to utterly discard the concept when they see fit.

    This is hardly the same as a non jewish atheist.

    As far as moral action is concerned, there is none greater than the desire to see ones offspring survive and thrive, this is what ultimately governs moral behaviors in close social circles, the rest is just invective righteousness invented with little purpose other than dominance. This 'moral' code doesn't require invention through religious thought, it is inherent.
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    Re: In your personal view, does God exist

    Quote Originally Posted by aeondaze View Post
    If you think they are actually atheists in the non-jewish sense, then I have have to disagree.
    I'm not sure I understand this? My reference was to Jewish born people, people that call themselves Jews and atheists.

    As far as moral action is concerned, there is none greater than the desire to see ones offspring survive and thrive, this is what ultimately governs moral behaviors in close social circles, the rest is just invective righteousness invented with little purpose other than dominance. This 'moral' code doesn't require invention through religious thought, it is inherent.
    I don't agree that moral code is inherent. Man is not born with it.
    Many in the world have no moral code. Where is their inherent moral code?

    As far as survival of your offspring, what keeps you from killing anyone that treats your child poorly?
    What keeps you from killing another child that bullies, or hits your child? Only the threat of prison, by man's laws?
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    Re: In your personal view, does God exist

    I dont know for sure... but I am pretty sure there is no magic man in the sky that created everything Nor does he/she do anything when people pray for things to happen! Here are the questions that always come to me when I ponder the possibility of a god.

    Why would a supreme being have to create people and require them to worship him? And be so punitive to punish people that dont... and punish them for eternity! WOW... such a prick! Is god insecure or have a megalomaniac mind set?

    Why does anyone with such powers need this worship? Seems odd. Also if god created EVERYTHING... where did he exist before he created everything? In another dimension? If so then he didnt create everything because at some point their would be nothing and nowhere to exist for himself.

    To me god is a fix for the basic insecurity that we animals with self awareness created to placate our fears about death and the unknown. I am content to live my life... die and return to the elements that I am made of to nourish future generations of life on our planet. I need no place to go when I die to live for eternity with god and my loved ones.

    There are and have been many religions and views of what god is... Why now is this one the only true god? I am sure all the other people around the world and through time felt that their god(s) were also the true god too! Religion and the believe in a god is used to control the populous! Always has and always will!
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    Re: In your personal view, does God exist

    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic Rogue View Post
    I am content to live my life... die and return to the elements that I am made of to nourish future generations of life on our planet.
    Beautifully put.

    Its the simplicity of atheism which I find actually opens up the real beauty of the universe with all its conundrums and isolation, it has a sweet melancholy that few believers can appreciate.
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    Re: In your personal view, does God exist

    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic Rogue View Post
    I dont know for sure... but I am pretty sure there is no magic man in the sky that created everything Nor does he/she do anything when people pray for things to happen! Here are the questions that always come to me when I ponder the possibility of a god.
    1. Can you tell me of anything in existance that wasn't created by something else?

    2. Have you ever seen a miracle, or had a brush with death?


    Why would a supreme being have to create people and require them to worship him? And be so punitive to punish people that dont... and punish them for eternity! WOW... such a prick! Is god insecure or have a megalomaniac mind set?
    Religious teachings can be extreme, but are they reality?
    Q. Why do you think you are 'required' to worship God?
    Q. Can you think of anyone that should be punished for eternity?

    Why does anyone with such powers need this worship? Seems odd. Also if god created EVERYTHING... where did he exist before he created everything? In another dimension? If so then he didnt create everything because at some point their would be nothing and nowhere to exist for himself.
    There again, religious teachings can be extreme.
    Q. Do you believe anything is/can be infinate, eternal?

    To me god is a fix for the basic insecurity that we animals with self awareness created to placate our fears about death and the unknown. I am content to live my life... die and return to the elements that I am made of to nourish future generations of life on our planet. I need no place to go when I die to live for eternity with god and my loved ones.
    Yes, you will return to the elements that you are made of...one little detail though, where does the energy/life-force go?

    There are and have been many religions and views of what god is... Why now is this one the only true god? I am sure all the other people around the world and through time felt that their god(s) were also the true god too! Religion and the believe in a god is used to control the populous! Always has and always will!
    I think you have this part somewhat figured out. Religion is a construct by man. Religion is used, belief is not.
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    Re: In your personal view, does God exist

    i'm middle aged. lately maybe in .the last few years i've had some strange experiences that in my opinion ca not be coincidences. there is something! a force beneficial for all living things! i can not put my hand on it but i see it and benefit from it frequently. speak it! receivce it! be careful what you wish for you just might get it! wo weeks in a row. on a friday about 11pm i was wide awake, bored. i decided to rewire an old black fan. i only had brown, white or clear cord. i needed black. i said to myself i need some black cord. i dont have it so ill use clear. did the job. woke up saturday went to the flea market. bingo!there was a man with two rolls of black cord. this happens so much its too much for a coincidence! just one example of man that i cant explain.
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