Don't hold your breath expecting to see me again

[LuckyStrike]

There is no where in the bible that states that Jew's, blacks or any other minority are inferior to the white race.



Well considering the Law and Covenants were only given to the White race (the descendants of Jacob Israel) I don't see how anyone else can claim to be equal with that.

Mixed races are to be banned from the church Deuteronomy 23:2 don't expect your judeo preaher to do a sermon on that one though, they tend to focus exclusively with "God is love" doctrine (nevermind the fact that they never even use God's name)

How about these

Luke 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Psalm 137

7Remember, O LORD, against the(D) Edomites
the day of Jerusalem,
how they said, "Lay it bare, lay it bare,
down to its foundations!"
8O daughter of Babylon,(G) doomed to be destroyed,
blessed shall he be who(H) repays you
with what you have done to us!
9Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones
anddashes them against the rock!

[StackerKen]

Free speech is a wonderful thing, even afforded to Christian women on the internet. :)


I Agree free speech is great.

And I am not trying or wanting to censor anyone

But I do think folks should try to censor themselves.

Try to be somewhat kind/civil to each other?

But Hey, what the heck do i know?

you guys wanna be jerks to each other....have at it.. :oo-->

[LuckyStrike]

They have something to do with Foul and Rude Language.



According to whom? The politically correct marxists who banned them in society?

[Libertarian_Guard]

A few around here seem to think freedom of speech means being able to post
'*aggot' or 'n-word' in every thread.


What are you 12?

That's exactly what freedom of speech is. To be able to say *aggot, k-word, n-word, honkey whatever you want without fearing reprisal.

People should be able to say anything about anyone or anything and not have to constantly watch their backs about it.

They are words dude grow up, I use them for the same reason I don't say No.1 or No.2 when I need to urinate or defecate....... Because I'm not a child.



I imagine most here are adults and have heard those words before.



I noticed the Bible verses in your sig. So i got a few for you.


(Colossians 4:6) KJV “Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.”

(James 1:26) KJV “If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.”

(Matthew 15:11) Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.




StackerKen

Touche

[StackerKen]

They have something to do with Foul and Rude Language.



According to whom? The politically correct marxists who banned them in society?


another for you to think about.

Matthew 19:36-37 "But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
.

[LuckyStrike]

They have something to do with Foul and Rude Language.



According to whom? The politically correct marxists who banned them in society?


another for you to think about.

Matthew 19:36-37 "But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
.




No doubt about it.

This honestly isn't directed towards you or greenbear but I feel for the preachers who teach cussing is horrible yet the Law is abolished. I can't recall the verse of hand but I know they will be judged twice as hard.

The point I'm trying to make is I see no difference in the word shit or poop because someone thinks one is worse than the other makes no difference to me nor do I think Almighty Yahweh cares in the least about such extremely trivial matters in the grand scheme of things. FWIW IRL I don't cuss in front of ladies.

[1970 Silver Art]

Free speech is a wonderful thing, even afforded to Christian women on the internet. :)


I Agree free speech is great.

And I am not trying or wanting to censor anyone

But I do think folks should try to censor themselves.

Try to be somewhat kind/civil to each other?

But Hey, what the heck do i know?

you guys wanna be jerks to each other....have at it.. :oo-->




Hey Stacker, I do not know much either but I do agree with you in that being civil to each other is a better way to go.

With freedom of speech, people do have a right to "hang" themselves with their own words and making themselves look bad "in public". Name calling, being rude and using profanity will just make things worse for that person that is trying to express themselves on a certain topic. It never works out in the long run for that person because everybody will be turned off by the profanity, name calling, and rudeness that was used by that person to make a point.

No one should be censored IMO. A person is free to say what they want, but depending on what words were said to whom at a certain location, that does not necessarily mean that person will be immune from the consequences of their words.

I do not want to censor a person but if I do not want to hear what a person has to say then I can just mentally shut them out. I have a right to ignore a person that is saying something that I do not like to hear in person or to see on an internet forum.

[LuckyStrike]

another for you to think about.

Matthew 19:36-37 "But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
.





I know it's just a typo but that was Chapter 12 FWIW.

[Book]

The Ku Klux Klan, White power, White Knights, Aryan nation, Skin heads and any other group who follow after the ideas of Hitler, are demon possessed!!!!


http://www.sethbarnes.com/blogphotos/sethbarnes/www/church_lady.jpg

Tell us again where in your Bible we are supposed to support "Israel" murdering Palestinians and stealing their land...lol.

:oo-->

[Book]

But I do think folks should try to censor themselves.



If Greenbear wants to call us "demon possessed" we should respect her free speech...lol.

:oo-->

[LuckyStrike]

The Ku Klux Klan, White power, White Knights, Aryan nation, Skin heads and any other group who follow after the ideas of Hitler, are demon possessed!!!!


http://www.sethbarnes.com/blogphotos/sethbarnes/www/church_lady.jpg

Tell us again where in your Bible we are supposed to support "Israel" murdering Palestinians and stealing their land...lol.

:oo-->


More appropriately tell us in your Bible where the modern day "jews" are the descendants of Jacob Israel.

For those that haven't seen it here is

50 Bible Reasons Why The Jews Aren't Israel

http://www.truthinourtime.com/2010/02/50-reasons-why-jews-are-not-israel.html

[Horn]

But I do think folks should try to censor themselves.



If Greenbear wants to call us "demon possessed" we should respect her free speech...lol.

:oo-->


I'm starting to wonder myself.

Seems there's a fine line between opposing a nation's agenda, and hating an entire race of people that is getting tested more often than is required to defeat said nations agenda.

And actually I think it works to further it.

[StackerKen]

another for you to think about.

Matthew 19:36-37 "But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
.





I know it's just a typo but that was Chapter 12 FWIW.




Right you are Nordic....thanks

And I don't want any hard feelings between us...just thought i would point out some verses to ya :)



Well said Artie!

[ximmy]

Is this the thread where you get a free coupon for a breakfast jack?

[LuckyStrike]

Right you are Nordic....thanks

And I don't want any hard feelings between us...just thought i would point out some verses to ya :)



Likewise Ken most definitely.

We have a differing view of scripture but I think over time if we put a passion for Truth at the forefront of our minds I have no doubt we will find it. I say that as much to you as myself. I see thinks quite differently today than I did even a year ago. I always keep an open mind to anything people send me, the way I found/didn't find that verse is because I was looking through the concordance wanting to do a word study of the original language. Believe me when I say I will look at whatever evidence is presented.

All I want to know is the Truth.


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it."
Patrick Henry

[Horn]

I think the great inquisition started in threads such as these. :CS

Got face it SK, some people are hell bent on givin Jesus a bad name.

[mick silver]

Wow. Merlin is a good guy, and never "flaunted" his orientation. At this point, I'm embarrassed to be a member of this site. Alot of you need to get bitch-slapped. I'm out HOLLER


LOL- Are you jealous that Merlin got the drama queen award?

You have 4 whole posts here and you are embarassed to be a member here? Jeepers creepers... those 3 posts must be mighty good contributions.

As for flaunting... I think we all knew from outright, in-your-face posts what Merlin was/ is all about. As it is politically unacceptable in the last 30 years to call a pervert a pervert, I guess we all said he is a "good guy". I happen to snap at all sorts of pervs... and it is not attacking the person so much as attacking the lifestyles & cultures they are selling. If you want to buy the culture, hip-hip and Boy George to you.

The funny thing is that Merlin never was part of this forum. He is too invested in the control group and seeks a pat on the head over there like a lost puppy. Now you show up like a sock puppet and rant further. You almost had me fooled..... not.
this is the best post on this whole tread .......... like it or not to dam bad ...he put some bait in the water and every one here jump on it

[Occamsrazor]

My policy on the forums towards gays would be don`t ask, don`t tell. If Merlin wants to chat with me about Beethoven as we did on GIM, I`d be happy to do it and never once mention sexuality of any sort. If he wants to discuss homosexuality, I`ll be more than happy to let him know what I think about this dis-ease.
Fair enough?

[Horn]

Think about it, if and when tshtf it is going to be a mess we all agree on that right? those who freak out over little things, are not the ones you want to be around. You don't want a loose cannon around you right?

I want to be around people that have a cool head and can think under pressure, that was my point, and someone took it the wrong way.


I like this guy, I have no idea who he is, but I still like him.

Welcome zap, are you new to the group?

How did you find the looney bin?

[StackerKen]

Right on Nordic Im glad you feel the that way.

and I wasn't really coming down on you in particular... as much as I just wanted to try to make a point about the words and they way we all talk/type to each other.

But I saw this and it kinda makes my point.....

I don't cuss in front of ladies.


If you don't think the words are bad in and of themselfs
why not cuss in front of ladies ?

[StackerKen]

My policy on the forums towards gays would be don`t ask, don`t tell. If Merlin wants to chat with me about Beethoven as we did on GIM, I`d be happy to do it and never once mention sexuality of any sort. If he wants to discuss homosexuality, I`ll be more than happy to let him know what I think about this dis-ease.
Fair enough?


That there^ is where I stand also.

"Don't ask don't tell' seems to me, would work well on a forum.

Male.... female....homo...straight.......jew..... greek.....black... white....brown

Why can't we just be folks?

[LuckyStrike]

If you don't think the words are bad in and of themselfs
why not cuss in front of ladies ?




Same reason I don't run around naked in public even though I would enjoy it. Society doesn't deem it appropriate. Although modern males have no problem discussing all manner of depravity in front of women I am more of a traditionalist in that sense. I was raised that it was inappropriate to cuss in front of polite company and women.

I don't have a problem with those words, but many people do and I don't cuss in front of those people. Plus I find it lacking professionalism and being that my vocabulary is strong enough I don't need to use them to convey my thoughts.

[crazychicken]

That is a good approach in my opinion.

Tough to argue with.

CC





My policy on the forums towards gays would be don`t ask, don`t tell. If Merlin wants to chat with me about Beethoven as we did on GIM, I`d be happy to do it and never once mention sexuality of any sort. If he wants to discuss homosexuality, I`ll be more than happy to let him know what I think about this dis-ease.
Fair enough?


That there^ is where I stand also.

"Don't ask don't tell' seems to me, would work well on a forum.

Male.... female....homo...straight.......jew..... greek.....black... white....brown

Why can't we just be folks?

[1970 Silver Art]

We are all just human beings that breathe the same air. Merlin is gay. So what? He breathes the same air that I and every other human being does. I am a black male. So what? I breathe the same air as every other human being does.

Like I said, we are all HUMANS and we all breathe the same air and we all will die eventually at some point in our lives. Death does not discriminate. Death does not care about your sexual preference, your skin color, or your gender. Life is way too short to attack each other on an internet forum. Sometimes people just have to live life and not worry about what other people think about them.

[StackerKen]

If you don't think the words are bad in and of themselfs
why not cuss in front of ladies ?




Same reason I don't run around naked in public even though I would enjoy it. Society doesn't deem it appropriate. Although modern males have no problem discussing all manner of depravity in front of women I am more of a traditionalist in that sense. I was raised that it was inappropriate to cuss in front of polite company and women.

I don't have a problem with those words, but many people do and I don't cuss in front of those people. Plus I find it lacking professionalism and being that my vocabulary is strong enough I don't need to use them to convey my thoughts.




That there^ is a good and biblical way to be Nordic :)


I think I was raised that way too.


I have been a construction worker for 30 years....and I used to have a really foul mouth at work and with buddies..

then one day the words just started sounding terrible to me....

[StackerKen]

+K for you Artie :)





edit to add...Man, I got alot smites today....lol :oo-->

[Book]

I've received invitations from posters inviting me to liven up the conversation here. But my opinion is that I don't have the energy for that. I've searched through all the references of my name (never knew I was so popular!) and I didn't like what I saw. I found that some of my old friends were not friends at all and I don't need to spend time with people like that. You've managed to poison the earth before I ever got here. Why would I want to put down roots?


Too funny. Merlin comes over here from GIM2 and tells us GSUS is unworthy of conversation. Ironic that he has created this thread with these stats while his own GIM2 is pretty much empty now:



THIS THREAD PRESENTLY: 287 Posts 2286 Views

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[1970 Silver Art]

+K for you Artie :)





edit to add...Man, I got alot smites today....lol :oo-->


If it makes you feel comfortable, I have over twice as many smites as you do. That does not bother me and you know why that does not bother me? It does not bother me because I am "high" and happiness and "drunk" on craziness. ;D

BTW feel free to smite me Stacker. If you have not smited anyone yet, then I will be more than happy to be the recipient of your first smite. I am trying to reach my goal to become the greatest "smite whore" on GSUS. I need all the smites that I can get.

[LuckyStrike]

+K for you Artie :)





edit to add...Man, I got alot smites today....lol :oo-->


If it makes you feel comfortable, I have over twice as many smites as you do. That does not bother me and you know why that does not bother me? It does not bother me because I am "high" and happiness and "drunk" on craziness. ;D

BTW feel free to smite me Stacker. If you have not smited anyone yet, then I will be more than happy to be the recipient of your first smite. I am trying to reach my goal to become the greatest "smite whore" on GSUS. I need all the smites that I can get.




I like the applaude/smite system ideally but seeing how this board was born out of troubled circumstances undoubtedly we have trolls over here who just smite for kicks.

To be honest though if they had smites at GIM2 I'd go over there and smite people all day too. ;D

[greenbear]

Free speech is a wonderful thing, even afforded to Christian women on the internet. :)


I Agree free speech is great.

And I am not trying or wanting to censor anyone

But I do think folks should try to censor themselves.

Try to be somewhat kind/civil to each other?

But Hey, what the heck do i know?

you guys wanna be jerks to each other....have at it.. :oo-->




Ken, I believe you are straining at gnats and swallowing a camel here. Who cares about swear words and nice, gentile talk when the real issue is that these Christian Identity/ Neo-Nazi/ KKK members are teaching a different gospel, a gospel of hate and racial superiority, which cannot be found in the Bible. They claim they are the real Jews. LOL. But they are like the real Jews today who, before they rejected and cruciifed their Messiah they said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Since that time, the real Jews have descended into deeper and deeper occultism with their Babylonian Talmud which to them is greater than the Torah. Their Talmud teaches that their blood is worth more than gentile blood. The white supremacist dreamers believe the same thing, only it is their blood that they believe is worth more than the other races. They are energized by the same father, and it's not the God of the Bible. These people are not Christians, they are lost, but they believe they are saved by virtue of who they are, and they shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for they neither go in themselves, neither suffer them that are entering to go in.

You are wrong to accuse me of being "a jerk" and you are wrong to ignore the weightier matters just because you want to get along and be nice. When you speak up and tell the truth, that's when Satan comes against you. It is certainly a shame that the times we live in a woman is the only one to speak out, and that she is even maligned by other Christian men for doing so. That's not my problem, though. It just shows that this society is ripe for judgment.

[Occamsrazor]

If you don't think the words are bad in and of themselfs
why not cuss in front of ladies ?




Same reason I don't run around naked in public even though I would enjoy it. Society doesn't deem it appropriate. Although modern males have no problem discussing all manner of depravity in front of women I am more of a traditionalist in that sense. I was raised that it was inappropriate to cuss in front of polite company and women.

I don't have a problem with those words, but many people do and I don't cuss in front of those people. Plus I find it lacking professionalism and being that my vocabulary is strong enough I don't need to use them to convey my thoughts.



Ditto.

[LuckyStrike]

Free speech is a wonderful thing, even afforded to Christian women on the internet. :)


I Agree free speech is great.

And I am not trying or wanting to censor anyone

But I do think folks should try to censor themselves.

Try to be somewhat kind/civil to each other?

But Hey, what the heck do i know?

you guys wanna be jerks to each other....have at it.. :oo-->




Ken, I believe you are straining at gnats and swallowing a camel here. Who cares about swear words and nice, gentile talk when the real issue is that these Christian Identity/ Neo-Nazi/ KKK members are teaching a different gospel, a gospel of hate and racial superiority, which cannot be found in the Bible. They claim they are the real Jews. LOL. But they are like the real Jews today who, before they rejected and cruciifed their Messiah they said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Since that time, the real Jews have descended into deeper and deeper occultism with their Babylonian Talmud which to them is greater than the Torah. Their Talmud teaches that their blood is worth more than gentile blood. The white supremacist dreamers believe the same thing, only it is their blood that they believe is worth more than the other races. They are energized by the same father, and it's not the God of the Bible. These people are not Christians, they are lost, but they believe they are saved by virtue of who they are, and they shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for they neither go in themselves, neither suffer them that are entering to go in.

You are wrong to accuse me of being "a jerk" and you are wrong to ignore the weightier matters just because you want to get along and be nice. When you speak up and tell the truth, that's when Satan comes against you. It is certainly a shame that the times we live in a woman is the only one to speak out, and that she is even maligned by other Christian men for doing so. That's not my problem, though. It just shows that this society is ripe for judgment.



Anytime you wanna debate Christian Identity let me know. Obviously this thread isn't the place for it but I'm always up for a debate.

[StackerKen]

Free speech is a wonderful thing, even afforded to Christian women on the internet. :)


I Agree free speech is great.

And I am not trying or wanting to censor anyone

But I do think folks should try to censor themselves.

Try to be somewhat kind/civil to each other?

But Hey, what the heck do i know?

you guys wanna be jerks to each other....have at it.. :oo-->




Ken, I believe you are straining at gnats and swallowing a camel here. Who cares about swear words and nice, gentile talk when the real issue is that these Christian Identity/ Neo-Nazi/ KKK members are teaching a different gospel, a gospel of hate and racial superiority, which cannot be found in the Bible. They claim they are the real Jews. LOL. But they are like the real Jews today who, before they rejected and cruciifed their Messiah they said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Since that time, the real Jews have descended into deeper and deeper occultism with their Babylonian Talmud which to them is greater than the Torah. Their Talmud teaches that their blood is worth more than gentile blood. The white supremacist dreamers believe the same thing, only it is their blood that they believe is worth more than the other races. They are energized by the same father, and it's not the God of the Bible. These people are not Christians, they are lost, but they believe they are saved by virtue of who they are, and they shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for they neither go in themselves, neither suffer them that are entering to go in.

You are wrong to accuse me of being "a jerk" and you are wrong to ignore the weightier matters just because you want to get along and be nice. When you speak up and tell the truth, that's when Satan comes against you. It is certainly a shame that the times we live in a woman is the only one to speak out, and that she is even maligned by other Christian men for doing so. That's not my problem, though. It just shows that this society is ripe for judgment.




Please see you PMs Greenbear

and for the rest on here...

The Jerk comment was not for GreenBear.
I guess I should not have quoted her. I was agreeing with her about free speech.

And I agree with her about this white or jew or white jew supremacy crap too.


Thats why I had Galatians 3:28 in my sig line and my avatar.


wow...talk about being misunderstood. :conf:

[greenbear]

We already debated whether or not Christ commands us to hate our neighbor on the Scofield thread, NB. You are not interested in what the Bible teaches, your concern is the twisting and wresting the Bible to say what you want it to say. For that reason, no debate will ever change your mind, only the Holy Spirit can do that. But he is a gentleman, he doesn't force any one to believe the truth.

[StackerKen]

I have Long been of the opinion that God doesn't care about race.

just like he doesn't care about male or female...Rich or poor...slave or free.

Its clear to me from reading the bible.

[greenbear]

Free speech is a wonderful thing, even afforded to Christian women on the internet. :)


I Agree free speech is great.

And I am not trying or wanting to censor anyone

But I do think folks should try to censor themselves.

Try to be somewhat kind/civil to each other?

But Hey, what the heck do i know?

you guys wanna be jerks to each other....have at it.. :oo-->




Ken, I believe you are straining at gnats and swallowing a camel here. Who cares about swear words and nice, gentile talk when the real issue is that these Christian Identity/ Neo-Nazi/ KKK members are teaching a different gospel, a gospel of hate and racial superiority, which cannot be found in the Bible. They claim they are the real Jews. LOL. But they are like the real Jews today who, before they rejected and cruciifed their Messiah they said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Since that time, the real Jews have descended into deeper and deeper occultism with their Babylonian Talmud which to them is greater than the Torah. Their Talmud teaches that their blood is worth more than gentile blood. The white supremacist dreamers believe the same thing, only it is their blood that they believe is worth more than the other races. They are energized by the same father, and it's not the God of the Bible. These people are not Christians, they are lost, but they believe they are saved by virtue of who they are, and they shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for they neither go in themselves, neither suffer them that are entering to go in.

You are wrong to accuse me of being "a jerk" and you are wrong to ignore the weightier matters just because you want to get along and be nice. When you speak up and tell the truth, that's when Satan comes against you. It is certainly a shame that the times we live in a woman is the only one to speak out, and that she is even maligned by other Christian men for doing so. That's not my problem, though. It just shows that this society is ripe for judgment.




Please see you PMs Greenbear

and for the rest on here...

The Jerk comment was not for GreenBear.
I guess I should not have quoted her. I was agreeing with her about free speech.

And I agree with her about this white or jew or white jew supremacy crap too.


Thats why I had Galatians 3:28 in my sig line and my avatar.


wow...talk about being misunderstood. :conf:




Well, if words (and quote boxes) mean anything, your comment was directed to NB and to me.

[m0nt3cr1st016]

Can't believe how homophobic this thread is.

I never liked merlin, always had a bad feeling about him. nothing to do with his sexual orientation though, I just thought he was a sheeple who loved the masonic moderators a little too much. some of my best friends are gay though, and they are the most awesome people.

[Book]

The Jerk comment was not for GreenBear.


http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/kits/images/Motorcycle/lifelike-diplomat.JPG

Makes the rest of us feel better...lol.

:oo-->

[StackerKen]

No greenbear I was agreeing with you about free speech.

and then i was addressing the the rest of folks reading this thread.

I guess i should have made that more clear.

But I was addressing anyone reading it...so now that i think about it...you could have been included...

Do you think you were being a jerk?....I certainly didn't think that.

In my past life I was a jerk....and now i'm trying to be kinder and gentler ...if possible..
Man this internet stuff is tough....In real life I have never been a kiss ass....

And I will always stand up for what i believe is right......

.Sheeesh.. :-\

[StackerKen]

Right now My flesh wants to go back to being the asshole I was before I accepted Christ as my Lord....very tempting indeed

[gunny highway]

Right now My flesh wants to go back to being the asshole I was before I accepted Christ as my Lord....very tempting indeed




don't give in brother.

[LuckyStrike]

We already debated whether or not Christ commands us to hate our neighbor on the Scofield thread, NB. You are not interested in what the Bible teaches, your concern is the twisting and wresting the Bible to say what you want it to say. For that reason, no debate will ever change your mind, only the Holy Spirit can do that. But he is a gentleman, he doesn't force any one to believe the truth.


Well we agree on one thing. Only Yahweh can change a mind.

[greenbear]

Free speech is a wonderful thing, even afforded to Christian women on the internet. :)


I Agree free speech is great.

And I am not trying or wanting to censor anyone

But I do think folks should try to censor themselves.

Try to be somewhat kind/civil to each other?

But Hey, what the heck do i know?

you guys wanna be jerks to each other....have at it.. :oo-->




You quoted me, Ken, and said "you guys wanna be jerks to each other". You were addressing my quote.

[StackerKen]

Right now My flesh wants to go back to being the asshole I was before I accepted Christ as my Lord....very tempting indeed




don't give in brother.


Thanks for your support Gunny :)

[gunny highway]

as much as this thread annoys the shit out of me, it's like a car wreck; i can't look away. :taunt:

[StackerKen]

Free speech is a wonderful thing, even afforded to Christian women on the internet. :)


I Agree free speech is great.

And I am not trying or wanting to censor anyone

But I do think folks should try to censor themselves.

Try to be somewhat kind/civil to each other?

But Hey, what the heck do i know?

you guys wanna be jerks to each other....have at it.. :oo-->




You quoted me, Ken, and said "you guys wanna be jerks to each other". You were addressing my quote.


I have told three times that I was Not.
I was agreeing with the free speech thing....

are you calling me a lier?

whatever.

:oo-->

[gunny highway]

Right now My flesh wants to go back to being the asshole I was before I accepted Christ as my Lord....very tempting indeed




don't give in brother.


Thanks for your support Gunny :)


when a discussion devolves into veiled insults we have to refuse to participate.

[StackerKen]

Did you see this post Greenbear?



No greenbear I was agreeing with you about free speech.

and then i was addressing the the rest of folks reading this thread.

I guess i should have made that more clear.

But I was addressing anyone reading it...so now that i think about it...you could have been included...

Do you think you were being a jerk?....I certainly didn't think that.

In my past life I was a jerk....and now i'm trying to be kinder and gentler ...if possible..
Man this internet stuff is tough....In real life I have never been a kiss ass....

And I will always stand up for what i believe is right......

.Sheeesh.. :-\

[StackerKen]

thanks again Gunny

Im done

[StackerKen]

Greenbear..Since didn't reply to my PM
I will do this here..

.I forgive you for insinuating that I was not being truthful.
I thought we were friends. I thought you knew me better than that
It really blows me away. that you would not take my word for it.

I had to get some air...and while I was out, I realized...I didn't call ANYONE a jerk. read it carefully





Free speech is a wonderful thing, even afforded to Christian women on the internet. :)


I Agree free speech is great.

And I am not trying or wanting to censor anyone

But I do think folks should try to censor themselves.

Try to be somewhat kind/civil to each other?

But Hey, what the heck do i know?

you guys wanna be jerks to each other....have at it.. :oo-->




It should be clear, that I meant "IF" you wanna be jerks.

It kinda hurt a bit being called a lier

But its all good on my end....no hard feelings ..Im over it.

[zap]

So what if he did think all of us were jerks? It isn't gonna break my heart.

[StackerKen]

Thanks Zap.

I Kinda assumed folks knew me after two years of posting...

[greenbear]

Here are some articles about the Satanic religion of Adolph Hitler, who is a hero to the White Supremacist/ Christian Identity/ Neo-Nazi members of this forum. This isn't an attempt to assassinate the character of individuals, it's just the truth about the false religion they are involved in, which is definitely not Biblical Christianity.

http://www.cephas-library.com/nwo_satanism_of_hitler.html


Satanism of Hitler


If we study the Satanism of Hitler, we can be assured that Antichrist will be just like him. Stay with me for some eye-opening truths. (Remember, finally, that this Kingdom of Antichrist, as terrible as it will be, will be immediately preceded by a period of 'Peace and Safety', and an apparent end to war and suffering. All the peoples of the world will be mightily deceived).

Immediately after World War II, stories began to appear about Hitler's involvement in the occult, the deep, dark Black Magic Witchcraft. But, just as suddenly as they appeared, they abruptly disappeared. Historians and politicians seemed very reluctant to openly admit this Satanic side of Adolf Hitler. Yet, we must understand it, because much of what happened during World War II, especially the mass exterminations, cannot be understood apart from the Witchcraft in which Hitler and his cohorts were practicing. When I read accounts of the Holocaust, from earnest authors who were trying to understand "why" Hitler and his fellow German citizens, could have carried out such a monstrous and systematic campaign, I am struck that they have no clue. They will never understand this question unless they delve into the blackness of Satanic practices.

This type of study was simply not possible from the public sector, either from libraries or book lists. To gather material for this story, I had to go to New Age and Satanic bookstores, where the authors do not flinch in discussing Hitler's Satanism. When I met Doc Marquis, the former Illuminist-Satanist that had converted to Jesus Christ, I checked these sources with him, to ascertain the truthfulness and accuracy of their reports. I was also able to verify, from other sources, the veracity of the material I am sharing with you.

I will be quoting material from two Occult sources:

"Hitler's Ashes -- Seeds of a New Reich", by Col. Howard A. Buechner, M.C., A.U.S. (ret), Battalion Surgeon, 3rd BN, 157 Inf., 45th Inf. Division, WWII, and Capt. Wilhelm Bernhart, Reich Undersea Boat Service, Knoght of the Holy Lance, WWII, Thunderbird Press, Metairie, Louisiana, 1989.
"The Spear of Destiny", by Trevor Ravenscroft, Samuel Weiser, Inc., York Beach, Maine, 1973.
In "Spear of Destiny", Trevor Ravenscroft stated that the Nuremberg Trials had totally failed to identify the real nature of evil which lay behind the "outer facade of National Socialism"; indeed, "initiation rites and black magic practices [lay at] the inner core of the Nazi leadership". (Page xiii). Just a few pages later, Ravenscroft stated that, from 1909-1913, "Hitler attained higher levels of consciousness by means of drugs and made a penetrating study of medieval occultism and ritual magic ..." (Page xxi). Jesus Christ warned that a person must guard his heart, for out of his heart all the issues of life spring forth (Matthew 12:34-35; 15:18-19). Every decision Hitler made as Dictator of Germany sprang from his most evil, Black Magic heart, producing the monstrous person of which most of us think when we contemplate this man.

In 1904, when Hitler was 15 years of age, he was with a friend, August Kubizek, when suddenly, he grabbed Kubizek's hands and held them extremely tight. His eyes turned feverish and he began to speak in a voice that was loud, hoarse, and raucous. Kubizek felt that some strange being had seized control of Adolf, and was inhabiting his body. Hitler began to speak eloquently about a Mandate to rule Germany, leading her back to her rightful glory. (P. 3)

The die was now cast; Hitler had been experimenting with the occult for about one year, and now he was demon possessed. Hitler was also, at this time, mightily influenced by two other men: Friedrich Nietzsche, who urged that Germany's Christian values be reevaluated, and replaced by the values of evil. Richard Wagner, the great German composer, who "worshipped Lucifer cunningly disguised as an exclusive Aryan Christ". Indeed, Wagner coined the term, "Final Solution" as the term for the elimination of all Jews. (Page 36)

Young Adolf was also spending much time in the public library, filling his mind with books on such varied subjects as Ancient Rome, Eastern Religions, Yoga, Occultism, Hypnotism, and Astrology. (Page 25) Many people today are not aware of the deeply Occult, Satanic basis that these religions and practices contain. If you are involved in any way with any of these occult practices, please immediately stop and repent, for these practices are evil to the core, even though they might not appear to be, and they formed a tremendous early influence on Hitler. Adolf was also deeply influenced by Hegel, that German Philosopher and College Professor, whose concept of Thesis battling Antithesis producing the hybrid system, Synthesis, so influenced Weishaupt, leading to the creation of Communism and the general flow of history in this 20th Century.

It was at this time that Hitler began to delve into the New Age works of Madame Blavatsky, the head of the House of Theosophy, and one key leader to the drive to the New World Order. Blavatsky, writing through Tibetan Masters, wrote "Isis Revealed" and "Secret Doctrine", from which Hitler derived his deep hatred for all Jews, considering them to be an inferior race which were threatening the "purity" of the German race. Alice Bailey, writing in her book "The Externalisation Of The Hierarchy", calls the Jews a race of lower evolution, interested only in money, a theme Hitler struck often. Hitler became "aware" of his Karma and the "Karmic" situation concerning the Jewish Race.

Do not be deceived: Hitler's early occult training relied heavily upon the same New Age and New World Order teachings that are so popular throughout the world today. Also like many New Agers today, Hitler was consumed by the stories of the "Holy Grail" and the "Spear of Destiny". Hitler was also deeply involved in achieving 'transcendent consciousness' through meditations and drugs, so critical if he was to open his Pineal Gland, or the Third Eye of Eastern Mysticism. Hitler was also deeply interested in the Akashic Record and Reincarnation. (New Agers, are you listening? These are many of the occult interests in which you are interested).

In this period, 1903-1913, acquaintances also noted that Hitler changed from a shy, timid speaker who seemed to stumble over his words, to a most powerful, spellbinding orator, who seemed to be able to weave a spellbinding effect over his audience. Yet, his voice was not his own, and he seemed to be transfixed by a strange force, as he was speaking (Page 69). In the book, "Hitler's Ashes", the authors comment on the change in Hitler's oratorical style, "Many people believe that the poorly trained Adolf Hitler became the most accomplished orator who ever lived ... His technique has been compared to the gradual seduction of a beautiful woman applied to a whole nation." (P. 95, "Hitler's Ashes") What a tremendous difference this demon pssession made in Hitler's life. The women of Germany found him to be "polite, charming, polished and very handsome. Perhaps it was his hypnotic eyes that led many of them into a fatal attraction." (Ibid., p. 96) My study of Satanic possession has led me to understand that the demon inside does seem to mesmerize, or hypnotise, other people. Hitler loved to get his enemies into a one-on-one meeting, because he could sway them easily, as he did British Prime Minister Chamberlain at Munich! His pale blue eyes radiated hypnotic power.

Hitler also became deeply immersed in stories of Pan-Germanic mysticism, old Nordic legends, of a people involved in a blood brotherhood, who had substituted the Swastika for the Christian Cross, and who participated in Black Magic rituals involving sexual perversions. All of this was a heady brew for young Adolf's mind and soul, but it prepared him for the ultimate experience of all, joining the Satanic Brotherhood of Death Society, the Thule Society, in 1919. The Master at that time was Dietrich Eckhart who exercised a deep influence over Hitler. It was also at this time that Hitler became mesmerized by person, power, and office of the Antichrist. It was also at this time that Hitler's eyes changed to a pale blue color (Page 40), a very common occurrence in people who are demon possessed!

As Eckhart lay dying in December, 1923, he uttered a most prophetic statement, "Follow Hitler! He will dance, but it is I who have called the tune! I have initiated him into the 'Secret Doctrine', opened his centres of vision and given him the means to communicate with the Powers. Do not mourn for me: for I shall have influenced history more than any other German." (Page 91). Eckhart was one of Europe's most dedicated and practiced Satanists. He repeatedly told his fellow adepts in the Thule Group that he had received a Satanic annunciation, that he was "destined to prepare the vessel of the Anti-Christ, the man inspired by Lucifer to conquer the world and lead the Aryan race to glory". (Page 92) Eckhart led a series of seances attended by both Russian and German occultists, in which Alfred Rosenberg played a key role. Rosenberg, considered himself to be the prophet of Antichrist and interpreter of the Protocols of Zion, regularly called forth the "Beast of the Revelation -- the Luciferic Leviathan which had taken over body and soul of Adolf Hitler". (Page 104)

From 1919-1923, Eckhardt spared no effort to thoroughly train Hitler in all aspects of Black Magic, transforming him into one of the greatest occult Adepts in history. Thus, Eckardt selected Hitler for training in one of the highest forms of Black Magic, magic which had been perfected 1,000 years earlier and resurrected by Aliester Crowley. This Black Magic elevated sexual perversion, sexual illuminism, to a degree unheard of. The rituals and rites involved perverse and highly sadistic sexual practices, animal sacrifice, heterosexual orgies, bloody scourgings and sodomy, for Crowley had "discovered that indulgence in the most sadistic rituals awakened penetrating vision into the workings of evil Intelligences and bestowed phenomenal magical powers." (Page 167) Hitler was greatly tortured during these rituals, including the initiation of "Hitler in a monstrous sadistic magic ritual" which made Hitler "smooth between the legs", unable to "give pleasure to any woman". This monstrous act rendered Hitler incapable of any normal sexual activity, but it did fill him with supernatural hatred and venom. So monstrous, so unnatural, was Hitler's perversion now, that he was capable of planning and executing the most terrible deeds humanity was to ever see. Hitler's monstrosity were so terrifying that historians and biographers could not, or would not, see and understand. As Ravenscroft so aptly stated, "..the other leading biographers of Hitler have been unable to perceive that sexual perversion took the central place in his life. They deal with the question in a fragmented way under such headings as 'Was Hitler Impotent', or 'Hitler's Attitude To Women'. They fail altogether to understand that a monstrous sexual perversion was the very core of his existence, the source of his mediumistic and clairvoyant powers, and the motivation behind every act through which he reaped a sadistic vengeance on humanity." (Page 171)

"There can be no doubt that Adolf Hitler was equally as impotent as King Klingsor, who was 'smooth between the legs' for he, to, was incapable of achieving orgasm through normal sexual relations". At this point, please understand that we are not talking about physical castration; rather Hitler's "impotency had a deep psychological foundation. He only knew sexual fulfillment through the extremes of sadism and masochism, sexual delight either through inflicting pain on others or from suffering such pain himself .. [Hitler] would furtively retire to the red-light district of [Vienna] to have himself tied up and whipped by any prostitute who was willing ... " (Page 173). Hitler also had this type of relationship with Eva Braun, with whom he later committed suicide. "She suffered his tyranny at all other times except in the bedroom where she became the all-powerful mistress and he [Hitler] the groveling slave." (Page 174) This type of Black Magic is officially known, among occultists, as 'Astrological Magic'. (Page 155)

Hitler, in 1921, at age 33 years of age, was totally possessed by the Evil Hierarchies of Spirits, and prepared to take the leadership of the National Socialist Party. No one can understand the monstrosity of Hitler's mass exterminations and his precipitation of World War II without understanding this Satanic perversion into which he eagerly plunged himself.

Remember, Hitler considered himself to be THE Antichrist, as did many other occultists in the world at that time. In reality, Hitler was the immediate forerunner of the true Antichrist. Hitler was the Seventh Mystery King of Revelation 17:10-11; the true Antichrist will be the Eighth Mystery King and will be exactly like him, just as prophecy foretold. Yet, this Eighth Mystery King will successfully hide his monstrosity from everyone in the world, convincing them he is coming as a "Loving" Christ, a bringer of "Peace and Safety" to a world that is so hungry for it. After he has convinced nearly everyone that he is Divine and worthy of worship, he will strip off his mask and initiate the monstrous events of the book of Revelation. Truly was the prophet Daniel correct when he said, "By peace he shall destroy many." (Daniel 8:25).

http://www.newsmonster.co.uk/paranormal-unexplained/hitler-and-the-secret-satanic-cult-at-the-heart-of-nazi-germany.html

http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-2/adolf-hitler.htm

[LuckyStrike]

You gotta love those who demonize hitler yet are silent about the 100 million that have died at the hands of jewish marxists, the occupation and genocide of palestianians, the complete degradation of society through the media etc. etc. etc.

If anyone care to know about Hitler read Mein Kampf.

He doesn't talk about killing jews, or worshipping pagan gods, but rather to put a halt to marxism in germany and the world.

[General of Darkness]

A whole lot of members got screwed in the ass with this thread I tell ya, no pun intended Merlin. :ROFL:

[Occamsrazor]

You gotta love those who demonize hitler yet are silent about the 100 million that have died at the hands of jewish marxists, the occupation and genocide of palestianians, the complete degradation of society through the media etc. etc. etc.

If anyone care to know about Hitler read Mein Kampf.

He doesn't talk about killing jews, or worshipping pagan gods, but rather to put a halt to marxism in germany and the world.

No but he dreams about eliminating Russians and other Slavs almost completely,enslaving the rest to work in mines and taking over the Russian Lebensraum. He had to suck on a pistol in the end, this is what awaits those who dream such dreams.

Patton by the way was a great guy who wanted to re-arm the captured Nazi POWs and attack Russia together in 1945, figuring out Russia was bled snow-white by the war and USA, having sat out WW2 was fresh, had nukes etc.

Ever hear of the plan Dropshot"? It was a plan right after Ww2 to nuke every major city in Russia. These are our war "allies". Thank God we had nukes in 1945 or our friends would turn us into plasma.
I`d rather shake hands with Hitler who is responsible for the deaths of half of my relatives than shake hands with Patton and his kind.

[LuckyStrike]

Patton by the way was a great guy who wanted to re-arm the captured Nazi POWs and attack Russia together in 1945, figuring out Russia was bled snow-white by the war and USA, having sat out WW2 was fresh, had nukes etc.

Ever hear of the plan Dropshot"? It was a plan right after Ww2 to nuke every major city in Russia. These are our war "allies". Thank God we had nukes in 1945 or our friends would turn us into plasma.
I`d rather shake hands with Hitler who is responsible for the deaths of half of my relatives than shake hands with Patton and his kind.


Patton said after the war that we had fought on the wrong side. He also said he had never seen such a low form of life than jews and that they weren't even human. He understood fully that WWII was fought to give marxists control of half of Europe. Which of course is why they killed him.

Here is an article

Why The Jews Hated Patton

http://www.truthinourtime.com/2009/10/why-jews-hated-general-george-s-patton.html

[LuckyStrike]

Patton by the way was a great guy who wanted to re-arm the captured Nazi POWs and attack Russia together in 1945, figuring out Russia was bled snow-white by the war and USA, having sat out WW2 was fresh, had nukes etc.

Ever hear of the plan Dropshot"? It was a plan right after Ww2 to nuke every major city in Russia. These are our war "allies". Thank God we had nukes in 1945 or our friends would turn us into plasma.
I`d rather shake hands with Hitler who is responsible for the deaths of half of my relatives than shake hands with Patton and his kind.


Patton said after the war that we had fought on the wrong side. He also said he had never seen such a low form of life than jews and that they weren't even human. He understood fully that WWII was fought to give marxists control of half of Europe and to severly punish Germany for attempting to kick out the usurious jews, which had done the same things to the great German society that they have done here. Which of course is why they killed him.

Here is an article

Why The Jews Hated Patton

http://www.truthinourtime.com/2009/10/why-jews-hated-general-george-s-patton.html

[Occamsrazor]

Patton by the way was a great guy who wanted to re-arm the captured Nazi POWs and attack Russia together in 1945, figuring out Russia was bled snow-white by the war and USA, having sat out WW2 was fresh, had nukes etc.

Ever hear of the plan Dropshot"? It was a plan right after Ww2 to nuke every major city in Russia. These are our war "allies". Thank God we had nukes in 1945 or our friends would turn us into plasma.
I`d rather shake hands with Hitler who is responsible for the deaths of half of my relatives than shake hands with Patton and his kind.


Patton said after the war that we had fought on the wrong side. He also said he had never seen such a low form of life than jews and that they weren't even human. He understood fully that WWII was fought to give marxists control of half of Europe. Which of course is why they killed him.

Here is an article

Why The Jews Hated Patton

http://www.truthinourtime.com/2009/10/why-jews-hated-general-george-s-patton.html


Even though I am the lowest form of life, I`m informed enough to know that WW2 was fought for the control of Russian resources and a cowardly backstabber like Patton couldn`t care less about the Jews but he cared only about the same thing as Hitler.

[LuckyStrike]

Patton couldn`t care less about the Jews but he cared only about the same thing as Hitler.


Your right about that. Count me in that list as well.

Sadly Patton didn't realize what was going on until Germany (Judah) had been defeated and the edomites were in control.

It was a horrific turning point in history.

[Occamsrazor]

Patton couldn`t care less about the Jews but he cared only about the same thing as Hitler.


Your right about that. Count me in that list as well.

Sadly Patton didn't realize what was going on until Germany (Judah) had been defeated and the edomites were in control.

It was a horrific turning point in history.


What list do you wish to be in?

[LuckyStrike]

What list do you wish to be in?


With the ranks of Hitler and Patton wanting to drive the edomites from our land as has been commanded by Yahweh from day one.

[Horn]

Which of course is why they killed him.

So much for learning from mistakes.

Let's talk about Custer.

[Occamsrazor]

What list do you wish to be in?


With the ranks of Hitler and Patton wanting to drive the edomites from our land as has been commanded by Yahweh from day one.


But it ends by giving a blowjob to a pistol...

[LuckyStrike]

What list do you wish to be in?


With the ranks of Hitler and Patton wanting to drive the edomites from our land as has been commanded by Yahweh from day one.


But it ends by giving a blowjob to a pistol...


It's not up to me how it ends, it is up to me to do what is right.

[Horn]

Battle stations...

[Occamsrazor]

What list do you wish to be in?


With the ranks of Hitler and Patton wanting to drive the edomites from our land as has been commanded by Yahweh from day one.


But it ends by giving a blowjob to a pistol...


It's not up to me how it ends, it is up to me to do what is right.


I can undersdtand how one may admire Hitler but admiring Patton if one knows his entire story is like admiring Judas. There is hardly anyone lower than Patton, a creature entirely devoid of chivalry.

[LuckyStrike]

There is hardly anyone lower than Patton, a creature entirely devoid of chivalry.



Jews are!

The very embodiment of evil from the time their father was kicked out of heaven.

[StackerKen]

I really can't believe this crap.

Nordic; I never knew you were a Nazi.

I can't believe you are defending Hitler.

Thats crazy talk.

No wonder Greenbear was so angry at me for being civil with you.

[Occamsrazor]

There is hardly anyone lower than Patton, a creature entirely devoid of chivalry.



Jews are!

The very embodiment of evil from the time their father was kicked out of heaven.



Dude, are you sure you are not a little feverish? Edomites, Shem, berserkers...what is this crap?

[Occamsrazor]

I really can't believe this crap.

Nordic; I never knew you were a Nazi.

I can't believe you are defending Hitler.

Thats crazy talk.

No wonder Greenbear was so angry at me for being civil with you.




Ken, my Jewish great-grandparents were buried alive by SS, yet I can have friendly and rational conversations about the many positive things Hitler did. I do however, look down on Patton fans...

[LuckyStrike]

I really can't believe this crap.

Nordic; I never knew you were a Nazi.

I can't believe you are defending Hitler.

Thats crazy talk.

No wonder Greenbear was so angry at me for being civil with you.




Have you read Mein Kampf Ken? Or does the entirety of your knowledge of WWII Germany come from jewish sources like hollywood and the MSM?

Like I told you before Ken all I want to know is the Truth and if that means Hitler wasn't an evil monster than that is what it means.

None of their argument holds water if you look at it logically, however it is rare that people can separate their emotions and actually think.

[Horn]

Or until such time as he can be resurrected again to empower the "chosen" ones.

Thanks Adolf, without you, the world couldn't be the same place it's been for 3000yrs.

Dipshit

[zap]

People always talk about Hitler, what about Pol Pot he killed like 1 million nobody ever talks about that. 25 % of the people in Cambodia. Between 1 and 3 million

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/pot.html

[Occamsrazor]

Or until such time as he can be resurrected again to empower the "chosen" ones.

Thanks Adolf, without you, the world couldn't be the same place it's been for 3000yrs.

Dipsh*t


Look at my collection of smites and the applaud/smite ratio and look at those of Berserkers.
Also, compare my ID Occamsrazor, that of a medieval philosopher and Nordicberserker, a creature that bites treestumps after overdosing on some beer-like fermented liquid.
Is this a forum for berserkers?

[Horn]

I gotta throw Patton a bone here just for knowing his strategic capability, was ace as far as I can tell.

Anyway, smite ya tomorrow.

[Occamsrazor]

I gotta throw Patton a bone here just for knowing his strategic capability, was ace as far as I can tell.

Anyway, smite ya tomorrow.


Patton, the megalomaniac whore that he was, said to Truman? in 1945 :" I could give you Moscow!".
This was said right after the most spectacular military defeat in military history, that of Nazi Germany by Moscow.

Idiocy aside, think about the treachery. Even though Patton may have been going thru an internal antisemitic turmoil, he was a leading general of US Army which was an ally of USSR. Nursing plans of such backstabbing can occur only in a creature entirely devoid of chivalry, joos aside.

[greenbear]

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/christian-identity/religion-white-racists.html

Christian Identity:
A Religion for White Racists


Summary

"Christian Identity" is the name of a religious movement uniting many of the white supremacist groups in the United States. Identity's teachers promote racism and sometimes violence. Their roots are deeply embedded in movements such as the Ku Klux Klan and the Nazis. They consider themselves true Israel and view the Jews as half-devils and arch enemies. They believe all but the white race are inferior creations. Identity's religious views are bizarre and occultic, and their view of history is often informed by conspiracy theories. Identity's use of the name "Christian" to promote racism and violence is blasphemous. Jesus Christ as redeemer of all races is God's supreme answer to Identity's outrageous claims.

The headline read "Separatist Surrenders in Idaho." The story was about Randy Weaver, a man indicted for selling two sawed-off shotguns to undercover federal agents. During the FBI's attempt to force Weaver to leave his Idaho home and return to court, three people were killed: a federal agent and Weaver's wife and son. When the standoff was over, 15 handguns, shotguns, and rifles were collected from his cabin.[1] Randy Weaver is a member of a religious movement called "Christian Identity." This "Christian" wing of the larger white supremacist movement is composed of adherents who variously give allegiance to the burning cross of the Ku Klux Klan and the sun sign -- the twisted swastika -- of the Neo-Nazis.

The movement, also called "Israel Identity," has become the uniting force among many white supremacist groups. Included in most religious teaching produced by its leaders are racist statements that echo the statements of other white supremacists. The most moderate groups publish hate literature; the more radical groups turn to violence, including murder. Among those attracted to Identity in recent years are racist and violent young "skinheads" -- some of whom were a part of the crowd of three hundred people who chanted racial slurs at federal marshals attempting to capture Weaver.

Although Identity groups are small in number and diverse, their penchant for social agitation attracts widespread media attention. The recent discovery that racist groups in the United States are supplying both literature and organizational help to racist groups in Germany is of concern to the whole Western world. One article by the Associated Press states that "violent acts perpetrated by far-right German extremists rose from 270 in 1990 to 1,483 last year, mostly attacks on foreigners."[2] The article goes on to say that "police investigating KKK activities in Germany raided some 30 buildings in May."[3]

Not understanding the violent and racist nature of Identity, Christians sometimes connect with this movement because of Identity's espousal of issues such as right-to-life and anti-Communism. Because of this vulnerability it is important for Christians to know and understand Identity's false and racist teachings. For the sake of non-Christians, it is also important for Christians to differentiate between biblical Christianity and Identity. Finally, it is the moral duty of Christians to stand against the evil intent of this form of white supremacist teaching. It is to further each of these three purposes that this article has been written.

The Jew as the Great Enemy

Identity adherents believe they are the only descendants of Adam and the only chosen descendants of Abraham. This is the reason for the name Identity -- they are convinced they know their true identity. They believe they are members of the supposed ten lost tribes of Israel. Identity adherents of today would include the British, Germanic, and Scandinavian peoples as those comprising the tribes of lost Israel. On the other hand, the Jew has for them become the great enemy. This insistence on singling out Jewish people as the enemy of the white race is the Identity movement's most clear link to Adolf Hitler and his Nazi ideas. The more extreme groups believe in what is referred to as the "serpent seed" teaching that Eve and Satan had sexual intercourse and produced Cain, starting a line of half-devil people. For many Identity groups this imagined half-devil line of Cain is the Jewish race.

Pastor Arnold Murray, an Identity preacher from Gravette, Arkansas, calls them "Kenites" (an Old Testament people he identifies as "Cainites") and believes they were associated with Judah until they took over leadership of that tribe. These "Jews" were the people who killed Christ. Pastor Murray teaches that calling the Jews the chosen people of God is the gravest of sins. He says, "Bless your heart if you have ever been deceived by the Kenite, and I am speaking now on the spiritual level, if you have ever really believed that group was the chosen of God you were deceived by Satan. Repent of that even more so than your personal sins in the personal sense."[4]

Some other Identity teachers believe the Jews are children of Satan only in a figurative sense. But this really does not change their attitude toward Jewish people -- their statements about the Jews still reflect a deep hatred. One writes about the Jew: "We know that as a race, they have the sly characteristics of the serpent...We know they have intimidated and imposed their will on our own government and every government in the nations of Christendom, through their dominance of finance, government, church, education, and the media."[5] In this scenario, a political position begins to emerge: the Jews are placed in a position of conspirators with Satan to take dominion over the world. In an awful reversal of their biblical role, the true Jewish people are now cast as the archenemy of God and humanity. Claiming the sacred history and the sacred Book for themselves, Identity teachers remove all that is a part of the Jew's humanity.

Racism: The Basis of Identity Teaching

Racial bigotry extends far beyond the Jews in Identity teaching. Since the white race alone has descended from Adam, the other races are viewed as a prior creation. They insist that Genesis 1:24, which describes the creation of animals and is prior to the creation of Adam, includes a description of all nonwhite races. In that list of created beings -- "cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth" -- they single out the word beast as a description of other races. This of course means they believe the other races are inferior. All Identity teachers refer to the word beast to explain how other races escaped the flood; they were included among the creatures that Noah and his sons rounded up for the ark.

Because Identity teachers hold that the other races are of a different creation, they consider interracial marriage a sin. Identity teachers insist that interracial marriage was the cause of God's judgment on the people of Noah's time. Consistent with this twisted view of Scripture, they believe that to marry someone of another race is treason to one's own race. Pastor Pete Peters of La Porte, Colorado informs us that he teaches his children to never marry a person of another race. He adds: "I teach them also that if they ever did such a thing -- never to come around my house with their mate or their half-breed children because they've been traitors to their own sires."[6] Some teachers -- such as Richard Butler and his Aryan Nations, and Dan Gayman and his Church of Israel -- see the black race as aliens and cohorts with Satan, and all other races as creatures who, like animals, have no spirits. In the fantasy world of extreme Identity, when Lucifer rebels he uses spacecraft and fights battles against God with the help of beings from other planets. The alien beings are forced to earth according to one tape: "For the fleet...came to earth like crumpled birds and...some survived and...some were wiped out....the dark and curly-headed ones never before seen upon the earth, the coming of the Negroid race."[7]

Although Arnold Murray affirms that all the other races are good, he offers the public, without apology, the book Tracing Our Ancestors by Frederick Haberman. Haberman writes: "It must be noticed that there is a great difference between the three principal races of mankind...and there exists little relationship between the three. The white race were unquestionably the last comers, being in every way superior to the other two and constituting their leaders and teachers."[8] Pastor Murray also teaches that even among Christians the different races should have no fellowship.[9] All Identity groups certainly see the white race ruling over the other races.

Identity's Racist History

Racism as Science and History.

Many of Identity's racist ideas can be traced to the late 18th and early 19th centuries. Esoteric sounding theories, propagated by intellectuals and college professors of the day, were used to prove the inferiority of some races. These theories have been disproved by modern scholarship but are kept alive by the racist of today. One of the terms common to such theories was physiognomy, an ancient method for determining human character by the study of facial features. This included comparing those features to animal ones.[10] Also, many historians of the time were highly nationalistic and, therefore, prone to write with a high regard for the white race.

Religious Racism

Another form of racism developed along religious and nationalistic lines. The growing concern of the peoples in the West (including the United States) with their own national interest led to some strange ideas about national identity. In the United States a theory called "Manifest Destiny" evolved. That view included the understanding that it was the nation's God-given destiny to expand from the east coast to the west coast, and perhaps even to the southern end of Mexico. In England another movement began that would later blend well with the Manifest Destiny ideas held by some in the United States. This religious movement was nationalistic, assigning religious worth more to race than to righteousness.

The movement, Anglo-Israelism, began in 1870. It was founded by the Rev. John Wilson, a nonconformist minister who expounded the idea that the Anglo-Saxons were the supposed ten lost tribes of Israel. Believing the nations of western Europe and the United States to be God's chosen people, they expected them to receive all the promises God gave to Israel in the Old Testament.

Mr. Edward Hine brought the Anglo-Israelism movement to the United States in 1870, the same year the movement began in England. His efforts were mostly unfruitful, but his book, Identification of the British Nation with Lost Israel, is still used by adherents of Identity in the United States. Hine's book was first among a spate of Anglo-Israel literature published in the U. S. -- including a periodical published by Yale Professor Charles A. L. Totten called, Our Race, Its Origins and Its Destiny.[11] Today, with few exceptions (the Worldwide Church of God being one), most adherents of Anglo-Israelism are in the Identity movement.

The Turn toward Violence

Extreme racism entered Anglo-Israelism because some of its most prominent adherents were also connected to the Ku Klux Klan, and the Klan in turn had become interested in the Nazis. The KKK was born, without overt racist intentions, in 1867. Thomas F. Gossett, author of Race: The History of an Idea in America, notes that "the Klan originated as a lark among young men in southern Tennessee who -- so the story goes -- chose this method of visiting their sweethearts attired in their version of the costume of Knights of old and discovered accidentally that they were terrifying the Negroes."[12] The Klan grew in its attempt to control black people during the Reconstruction period. The methods included "assassination, whipping, tarring and feathering."[13] The Klan during the 1920s added the Jew and Catholic to their list of enemies in an attempt to attract more members. By 1923 membership had reached between three and six million people. Decline came with the depression of the 1930s and also with the Ku Klux Klan's overtures to the American arm of the Nazi party before the Second World War.[14]

The merging of Klan and Nazi extremism into the Anglo-Israelism movement -- which then produced the Identity movement -- can largely be traced to one man: Wesley Swift. However, it was not Swift but Howard B. Rand (whose writings are published by Destiny Publishers) who first coined the term Identity. According to James Coates, Rand's intention was "to describe Hine's concept of Anglo-Israelism, in which Jesus was not a Jew of the tribe of Judah but an Aryan of the ten lost tribes of Israel and an ancestor of the present British, Germanic and Scandinavian people."[15]

Wesley Swift was a prolific speaker and his tapes and written messages are frequently used by Identity speakers. His connections to the Nazism of Hitler's Germany are unquestionable. Swift was at one time both a friend and advance man for Gerald L. K. Smith, a racist whose radical career began when he joined the "Silver Shirts," an American Nazi group formed by Willam Pelley. James Ridgeway, author of Blood in the Face (a "who's-who of hate"), notes that "with Pelley as their 'Chief,' the Silver Shirts openly supported Hitler, cooperated with the pro-Nazi German-American Bund, and embarked on a program of vicious anti-Semitism."[16]

Swift was also a member of the Ku Klux Klan when he founded the Identity Church of Jesus Christ Christian in 1946. Richard Butler, who was led into the Identity movement by Wesley Swift, inherited Swift's church and founded an Identity compound called the Aryan Nations, located near Hayden Lake, Idaho. Butler is an advocate of Nazism, and his yearly Aryan Nations meetings attract Klan members, Nazi groups, and skinheads. Some Identity teachers, although racist, reject Nazism in name, attributing its cause to the Jews. This trend has started a new controversy within the ranks of Identity. The Identity groups who reject Nazism also do so because they are perceptive enough to recognize Nazism's ingrained hatred of true Christianity.

[greenbear]

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Identity's Spiritual History

The list of spiritual influences touching Identity resembles a religious vanity fair. The Neo-Nazi movement embraces the zodiac of astrology as easily as it does the teaching of the quietest mystic Madame Guyon. Its teachers write against the New Age movement while embracing occultist Edgar Cayce. They also welcome the deliverance ministries (those ministries that specialize in the controversial practice of casting demons out of Christians) while embracing the world of the occult.

Occult Influence

Some of the groups that reject Nazism seem to feature less occult teaching within their published material. However, except for racist literature, occult teachings have probably had the greatest influence on most Identity groups and individuals. This may have partly developed from prewar occultic German groups that were also anti-Semitic. German cults such as the Alder and Falken and the Geusen worshiped the sun. And one influence on Hitler was a group whose emphasis on German nationality was connected to their interest in the Druids -- an ancient pagan people many Identity groups also embrace.[17]

Wesley Swift used occult legends as "truths" in his sermons. His bizarre teachings included stories about Atlantis and Lemuria, fictional civilizations included in most occult philosophy. Identity teachers of today such as Pastor Arnold Murray maintain that the great Pyramid was built by the Israelites and is a second revelation of God. The idea that the measurements of the pyramid are encoded with a revealed message is occultic, since the message is both supernaturally given and esoteric, known only by those initiated into that knowledge. Identity also embraces astrology and occultic tales of Jesus visiting Britain.

Other Streams of Religious Influence

Because many Identity adherents are people with a history of looking for "new truths," they often come to Identity from other religious movements, bringing some of their unique doctrines with them. Thus the teachings of several smaller religious groups have been added to the racist teachings of Identity. These include the Sacred Name movement (using only Yahweh for God and Yehoshua or some equivalent for Jesus); Jesus Only teaching (the belief that there are not three persons in the Godhead, only three offices); and the fringe teachings of the "manifest sons of God" (the expectation that an elite group of the church will deliver creation, overcome death, and help God bring in the kingdom). A few people came out of the restoration and charismatic movements and added their unique doctrines to Identity. The restoration movement teaches that God is restoring lost doctrines to the church. Utilizing this framework, the Identity teachers include Identity as one of the lost doctrines. (It is important to point out that although Identity teachers variously link Identity to the above movements and teachings, properly speaking these movements have nothing to do with Identity.)

The Bonding Link of Conspiracy

The Identity stand against the Jews as a people without value who are enemies of the white race aligns the movement with other groups that feed constantly on conspiracy theories, including ones that are Nazi without teaching Anglo-Israelism. This taste for anti-Semitism is most responsible for the intermingling of Identity, Neo-Nazi, and other racist groups. Different groups will often use the same speakers at their various churches and survivalist camps. And individual members of different groups will order the same books from racist publishers.

For instance, many Identity groups offer books by E. Raymond Capt and also use him as a speaker, since his specialty is supposedly archaeology and history. Capt's writing includes such books as Stonehenge and Druidism and The Traditions of Glastonbury: The Silent Years of Jesus between 12 and 30. Another speaker used by most groups is Lt. Col. Jack Mohr, whose specialty is anti-Communism. Mohr offers such tapes as "Background to Betrayal: How America Has Been Betrayed by Zionists Both Jewish and Christian." Many racist groups, including Identity groups, sell or refer to the book, Protocols of the Elders of Zion. This fraudulent book is supposedly a document of conspiracy by Jewish leaders to take over the world.

Most conspiracy theories have developed from a particular fear -- and the need to master that fear, by identifying a cause and then supposedly gaining control of the situation. For instance, the cause of the Black Plague in the Middle Ages was attributed to the Jew. The solution espoused was to kill or remove the Jews. Then the plague would supposedly end. The disastrous condition of Germany after the First World War was attributed to the Jew by some fearful Germans. Eventually their evil solution brought about the Holocaust. And while the John Birch Society changed most of the leading players in their conspiracy theory to what they call the "insiders" rather than Jews, many others still see the Jew as the monster controlling world events. For these anti-Semites the Jew is often referred to as the "International Banker."

All of these groups together, both Identity and non-Identity white supremacist, hold a dangerous sociopolitical view. Their mutual solution to this supposed "Jewish control" is a race war. This war is considered by many Identity teachers to be the last great battle, Armageddon.

According to these teachers, at the head of this conspiracy that leads to the final battle is ZOG: Zionist Occupation Government. Zionist Occupation Government simply means to Identity adherents that the Jewish conspiracy has taken over the government of the United States. Since they also believe that Jewish leaders are using other races to destroy the white race, the final battle pits the white race against virtually all others. And, because they constantly feed on conspiracy theories that involve those whose beliefs or politics oppose their own, Identity's political and religious opposites are also considered their enemies. Furthermore, they do not have to love their enemies because they consider most of them subhuman.

The Parasitic Existence of Identity

The farm crisis is an important source for Identity propaganda. Using such tapes as "A Biblical Look at the Farm Problem," they prey on farmers who are losing their farms.[18] Some Identity teachers are suggesting that ZOG or the Jews are behind the loss of the farms. They have managed to pull a few farmers into the movement through these tactics. This kind of parasitic existence is typical of Identity extremism. They appeal to other conservatives concerning such issues as AIDS, abortion, and prison reform. This is where some Christians have been pulled into the circle of Identity.

Many Christians find they are facing a bewildering morass of social problems. For some this has led to a deeper understanding of God's sovereignty, and a greater dependence on His grace and mercy to sinners. For others there is the enticing reach for the quick answer. And this has meant a return to philosophies that are void of grace. At this point it is possible for the bits and pieces of Identity to seep in. Christians who are far from Identity's blatant racism nonetheless allow Identity's attitudes and world view -- including conspiracy theories -- to touch the core of their faith. Turning to ideas, news sources, and leaders who lack an understanding of the true gospel, these Christians accept into their beliefs and their publications concepts that are not biblical.

God's Answer to Racism

The psalmist wrote, "Thy word I have treasured in my heart, that I may not sin against thee" (Ps. 119:11). A lack of biblical teaching in differing ages has often opened the door for both heresy and sin within the Christian community.

In the Nazi era a great deal of Old Testament Scripture had already been rejected by many liberal scholars, mainly in Germany. Unlike the Identity movement of today, which accepts all of the Bible as inspired, the Nazis who considered themselves "Christian" were able to divorce the Jewish foundation of Christianity by simply disconnecting Christianity from both the Old Testament and Paul. Most of the "German Christians" -- those loyal to Hitler -- based their religious views on a kind of nationalistic nonsectarian ethic.

Franklin Littell, Professor of Religion at Temple University, points out that this German understanding of Christianity was not unlike John Birch Society founder Robert Welch's "ecstatic affirmation of non-sectarian religion," found in Welch's The Blue Book. Littell writes: "The 'German Christians' were at least logical enough to press the religion of the ethnic base, infused with spirituality, to its logical conclusion: antisemitism."[19] The point is: without a biblical basis, without Jesus Christ as Lord, any religion, even one named Christian -- especially one named Christian, can produce gross evil.

Although the religious teachers of "Christian Identity" do not reject the Old Testament or Paul, they distort and twist Scripture until little is left of God's revelation of good news. The Identity teachers' conclusion that the British, Scandinavian, and Germanic peoples are the lost tribes of Israel is a case in point. None of the tribes of Israel have been lost. While many of the northern tribes of Israel -- carried into exile by Assyria -- intermarried with the peoples they lived among, there is no biblical reference that would encourage this teaching of lost tribes.

Christ's statement that He "was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt. 15:24) is not a reference to tribes that had physically disappeared, but to a people who were lost in sin. Earlier in the text Jesus had sent His twelve disciples "to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt. 10:6), and the disciples did not need to search for the people they were sent to help. After the captivity of the Northern Kingdom of Israel and the Babylonian captivity of the Southern Kingdom of Judah, all twelve tribes -- whether living outside of the homeland or within the homeland -- were referred to as both Jews and Israel. Both the Book of Ezra and the Book of Nehemiah, books about the return of God's people to Jerusalem after their captivity, use the two terms, Jews and Israel, to refer to the same people (e.g., Ezra 2:26; 4:12; Neh. 1:6; 4:1-2).

Paul refers to himself as both a Jew and an Israelite. Writing of God's enduring of the "vessels of wrath" for the sake of those He would show mercy to, he notes: "And He did so in order that He might make known the riches of His glory upon the vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles" (Rom. 9:23-24). In the same chapter he writes: "For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites" (Rom. 9:3-4). Luke in the second chapter of Acts records the fact that Jerusalem was filled at Pentecost with Jews from many lands, and when Peter addresses them he refers to them as "men of Israel." Jesus explained to the Samaritan woman that "we worship that which we know, for salvation is from the Jews" (John 4:22), not only calling Himself a Jew but pointing her toward the Jewish people, whom God had chosen to bless the world through the promised Messiah.[20]

Once the error of Anglo-Israelism is exposed it leaves the Identity believer in a very damning position -- Identity adherents are not the chosen people, rather they are the ones attacking the chosen people, the Jews. And they are also the ones ranting against the true church of Christ. They are, in fact, attacking God, for their attempt to relegate other races to an earlier and inferior creation is an attack on the love of God, as well as the image of God in all humanity. It is the image of God in humans that sets them apart from all other creatures and prepares the way for Christ to take unto Himself human flesh and redeem people of all races. The biblical themes of redemption, the Incarnation, and the unity of humanity ("every nation and race") are constantly blended together in Scripture.

When Paul preached to the Athenians on Mars Hill he appealed to their common humanity as creations of the true God when he stated: "And He made from one, every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times, and the boundaries of their habitation, that they should seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us" (Acts 17:26-27). Genesis 10:1-32 names most of the nations that developed from the three sons of Noah. Derek Kidner, author of Genesis in the Tyndale Old Testament Commentaries, writes: "Not every nation known to the Old Testament is enrolled here, but enough are present to make the point that mankind is one, for all its diversity, under the one creator. Possibly the seventy names (Lxx 72) influenced our Lord's choice of this apparently symbolic number of emissaries in Luke 10:1."[21]

Jesus Christ is God's answer to racism. Paul admonishes the Galatians that they are to make no distinctions among those belonging to Christ; they are to be as one: "For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Gal. 3:27-28). In the Book of Revelation, where Christ is pictured as both "the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah" and "a Lamb standing, as if slain," the 24 Elders sing to His glory: "For Thou wast slain, and didst purchase for God with Thy blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. And thou hast made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth" (Rev. 5:9-10).

The church, those redeemed not by race but by the blood of Christ the Lamb, understand Christ as both lion and lamb, both sacrifice and King. Wilhelm Niemoller, one of the members of the Confessing Church in Germany during the time of Hitler, wrote of what it meant to confess Christ as the only Lord under that regime: "One of my friends concluded a sermon of his in 1934 or 1935 by saying: 'O Lord, Thou alone art our hope, apart from Thee, I know none!' He was arrested, put on trial, and later released. The enemies that listened to him had noticed that the Third Reich was put in a difficult position wherever the 'One Word of God' made its appearance."[22] The Neo-Nazi groups and those who feed on their hate literature are simply a part of the rising paganism in America. They are also an extreme example of groups who like to use Christian terminology while laying foundations on extrabiblical revelation. The need for present security, elitism, power, and a revelation not anchored in Christ and the Word of God is the mark of anti-Christian religion.

The believer's only haven is Christ. This means there is no present worldly security -- the believer is not an elite person. Instead, members of Christ's church are often the ones hated and despised by the nations. The only power given is that which Christ gives, so that His followers may be able to faithfully love, serve, and suffer in this present world. Finally, the believer finds racial pride to be sin, because the only exaltation a Christian knows is God's unmerited grace, freely offered to all in Jesus Christ.

Previously the director of Apologetics Resource Center, Sacramento, California, Viola Larson is a graduate student in history at California State University, Sacramento.

[Dave Thomas]

What's totally awesome about this thread is that Merlin unknowingly pwned everyone who wasted literally hours of their life posting in it.

I declare Merlin by unanimous decision the winner, by TKO in the 9th page of lulz-worthy copypasta!

EPIC!

That's it folks, I've gotta bail!

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/048/097/original/1272054419116.jpg?1272686966

[Dusty]

Or If anything , He drew out those that had issues..

It amazes me , the small things that set people off, when there

are bigger issues at hand.

Sort of reminds me of the way our government works now.

Bunch of losers

Agree with zap, Do not want to be in the same state with some of the posters
here , If the chips ever are down.

.

[Jenna]

Well, this thread has certainly exacerbated my misanthropic tendencies.

[LuckyStrike]

Or until such time as he can be resurrected again to empower the "chosen" ones.

Thanks Adolf, without you, the world couldn't be the same place it's been for 3000yrs.

Dipsh*t


Look at my collection of smites and the applaud/smite ratio and look at those of Berserkers.
Also, compare my ID Occamsrazor, that of a medieval philosopher and Nordicberserker, a creature that bites treestumps after overdosing on some beer-like fermented liquid.
Is this a forum for berserkers?


I chose NordicBerserker because it is the name I use on XboxLive, I was NordicMist (my favorite pipe tobacco) then it was changed to NB because Berserkers were men who would work themselves into a frenzy and go to battle with 2 swords or 2 axes instead of a shield. Which is how I play FPS games, I always have a ton of deaths but usually I kill a lot as well.

It's harder than you think trying the create a name for XBL EVERYTHING is taken.

[Horn]

Or If anything , He drew out those that had issues..

It amazes me , the small things that set people off, when there

are bigger issues at hand.

Sort of reminds me of the way our government works now.

Bunch of losers

Agree with zap, Do not to be in the same state with some of the posters
here , If the chips ever are down.

.


Welcome dusty, great first post.

Have I seen your handle elsewhere before?

[LuckyStrike]

Greenbear what you don't realize is all of your sources are jewish. Christian Identity believes as Jesus did that the edomites are "of their father the devil" and are the "synagogue of satan" they are the ONLY ones who preach the entire Bible unlike the so called judeo's who preach love love love and ignore all the "mean scary verses"

This is from your source.

"This site is intended for educational purposes to teach about the Holocaust and to combat hatred. Any statements or excerpts found on this site are for educational purposes only.

As part of these educational purposes, Nizkor may include on this website materials, such as excerpts from the writings of racists and antisemites. Far from approving these writings, Nizkor condemns them and provides them so that its readers can learn the nature and extent of hate and antisemitic discourse. Nizkor urges the readers of these pages to condemn racist and hate speech in all of its forms and manifestations."


To teach about the holocaust? What holocaust? IT NEVER HAPPENED. If you can't even open your eyes to that reality I'm not going to spend more time in this thread.

[LuckyStrike]

"Dedicated to 12 million Holocaust victims who suffered and died
at the hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime"

http://www.nizkor.org/

12 million ::)

I mean honestly how stupid do they think we goyim are.

I'm surprised you would quote an article that demonizes Randy Weaver.

Which goes to prove my point earlier in this thread, your sources assume that Randy Weaver is bad, Federal Government is good. Or Hitler was bad but usury, pornography, fractional reserve banking, zionism is good. Which doesn't jibe with reality.

[StackerKen]

Nordic;
How the Hell do you know the holocaust never happened?

Were you there?

I have heard people talk that were there.....very sad storys...

Are you claiming they lie?

I don't know how many were killed.... doesn't matter to me....

and sure, there have been lots of other atrocious things done throughout history.

I don't know who was the worst killer of all time. It doesn't matter to me.



Hitler was not a Good guy Nordic.

He was friggin nut case.....

[Dusty]

Or If anything , He drew out those that had issues..

It amazes me , the small things that set people off, when there

are bigger issues at hand.

Sort of reminds me of the way our government works now.

Bunch of losers

Agree with zap, Do not to be in the same state with some of the posters
here , If the chips ever are down.

.


Welcome dusty, great first post.

Have I seen your handle elsewhere before?


Thanks!

And in reply to your question.

Ask me no questions and I will tell you no lies!


Been reading this board since the split and from what I
have seen , bunch of good posters but there are a few
cockroaches here, that try to mess things up.


I think there is a place for both forums here on the net!

[LuckyStrike]

Hitler was not a Good guy Nordic.

He was friggin nut case.....





What do you find nutty about him?

[StackerKen]

Hitler was not a Good guy Nordic.

He was friggin nut case.....



What do you find nutty about him?


Adolf Hitler was a Psychopath and a Killer...

You don't think that's nutty?

[BoatingAccident]

Nordic;
I have heard people talk that were there.....very sad storys...

Hitler was not a Good guy Nordic.

He was friggin nut case...


Ken, I've talked to a lot of folks that were there too, and have learned a lot, and thank those folks for sharing theirs stories, with me.

For the people who think that the holocaust didn't happen, answer me this..where did 3-5 million people go? They aren't here anymore. Read about the kazimiriez district, then go visit. It's pretty obvious then. That's just one place wiped out, there are many others that to this day have not been able to recover.

[Dusty]

Hitler was not a Good guy Nordic.

He was frigging nut case!



What do you find nutty about him?








Think he was in a race with Stalin, and over all Stalin won!
Both were major nut cases.

Adolf Hitler was a Psychopath and a Killer...

You don't think that's nutty?

[LuckyStrike]

Hitler was not a Good guy Nordic.

He was friggin nut case.....



What do you find nutty about him?


Adolf Hitler was a Psychopath and a Killer...

You don't think that's nutty?




Before we go any further I think it is important to recognize this fact.

In my experience 90%+ of people think they are educated on Hitler to the point where they can pass judgement, yet those same people have gotten 100% of their information from jewish sources hollywood,MSM, books, etc. I'm not necessarily saying this is wrong, but it is certainly important to recognize that as a fact.

The jews have been at War with Germany and National Socialism since 1933 see this news headline.

http://100777.com/images/judeadeclares800.jpg

I don't think anyone in history has so many misconceptions surrounding them as Adolf Hitler. I will state the more egregious ones.

1. Nazi Germany NEVER passed any gun control laws.
2. There was no policy of rounding up and killing jews just because they were jews. Those that didn't flee the country were rounded up and kept in camps as political prisoners because they were marxists.
3. The marxists were the ones who destroyed the Reichstagg not Hitler in a "false flag" like Alex Jones loves to claim.
4. Hitler was anti marxist and it just so happened that communism is 100% a jewish creation and as such the vast majority of jews in Germany were marxists so.
5. The vast majority of deaths in the camps were due to disease or malnutrition in the last weeks of the war. The allies were destroying the backbone of Germany with bombing raids of railroads, and farms. Needless to say what little food they had went to the front lines not political prisoners. So this is why when you see starving jews in the photos (taken right after the war) they look so skinny and were on the brink of starvation, along with the entire German military.


In Mein Kampf Hitler discusses the political situation on post WWI Germany. He tell of how Germany was on the brink of winning a major battle in WWI but they marxist labor union in the munition factory went on strike during that time causing Germany to lose the major battle. They were playing politics so that they could prolong the war and make more money. (Not dissimilar to the tricks they pull today)

I like to tell people, if you rounded up for deportation all the bankers, pornographers, organized crime syndicates, marxists, and purveyors of filth (hollywood, music etc) in our current country what do you think the demographics would look like? You wouldn't deport them just for being jewish, but rather destroying the very fabric of Western civilization.

[LuckyStrike]

Nordic;
I have heard people talk that were there.....very sad storys...

Hitler was not a Good guy Nordic.

He was friggin nut case...


Ken, I've talked to a lot of folks that were there too, and have learned a lot, and thank those folks for sharing theirs stories, with me.

For the people who think that the holocaust didn't happen, answer me this..where did 3-5 million people go? They aren't here anymore. Read about the kazimiriez district, then go visit. It's pretty obvious then. That's just one place wiped out, there are many others that to this day have not been able to recover.


Read the Red Cross estimates of death it was no where near millions that is what they claim to get carte blanche for the next 100 years.

http://www.rense.com/general69/factua.htm


Answer me this, if the holocaust 6 million is a fact why is it ILLEGAL TO QUESTION IT.

It isn't illegal to ask about the 100 million who have died because of jewish marxism. Why? Because it is a FACT.

Please read this article as well.

http://www.davidduke.com/general/why-free-speech-on-the-holocaust_1793.html

"oh it's David Duke that bigot racist, let me shut my mind off and let my emotions take over" ::)

[Horn]

So Nordic, are you for the National I.D. card, or do you prefer the digits actually be tattooed to your skin? ::)

[LuckyStrike]

So Nordic, are you for the National I.D. card, or do you prefer the digits actually be tattooed to your skin? ::)


Wow, what an intellectual rebuttal. Can't say I'm surprised it happens everytime. People are shocked and amazed and yet their minds still can't let them see the Truth.

[zap]

I have no use for Hitler and I know he killed alot of innocent people, Nub knew alot more about it as he worked with a German guy he really respected and Reinholt told him alot about the other side , he was a pilot over there, since then we only hear the Jewish side, no doubt it was terrible and beyond imagination, But N B does have a valid point with the Red Cross estimates.

[illumin19]

Sorry to waltz into this lovely thread...................



But didn't Merlin say something about leaving??? :D

[BoatingAccident]

Read the Red Cross estimates of death it was no where near millions that is what they claim to get carte blanche for the next 100 years.

http://www.rense.com/general69/factua.htm


Answer me this, if the holocaust 6 million is a fact why is it ILLEGAL TO QUESTION IT.

It isn't illegal to ask about the 100 million who have died because of jewish marxism. Why? Because it is a FACT.

Please read this article as well.

http://www.davidduke.com/general/why-free-speech-on-the-holocaust_1793.html

"oh it's David Duke that bigot racist, let me shut my mind off and let my emotions take over" ::)


This article doesn't explain how any free speech has been violated. It claims it, but doesn't say how.

Nordic, regarding the red cross argument, I just don't beieve it frankly. It directly contradicts what I've seen with my own two eyes. I just don't believe everything posted on the internet.

[LuckyStrike]

Nordic, regarding the red cross argument, I just don't beieve it frankly. It directly contradicts what I've seen with my own two eyes. I just don't believe everything posted on the internet.


Since I get 95% of my news and information from the internet I run into this argument a lot. The whole "I don't believe everything I read on the internet" and act like my information is inferior to that of the jewish controlled mainstream media.

Who was it that broke climategate? The jew controlled media or the internet?
Who was it that covered Obama birth certificate? The jew controlled media or the internet?
Who was it that gave Ron Paul a fair shake? The jew controlled media or the internet?
Who demonizes great men like Jefferson while building up marxists like MLK? The jew controlled media or the internet?

[StackerKen]

apparently the camps are still there...this girl went there and took photos

Auschwitz

http://www.lindsayfincher.com/2007/10/auschwitz.html

[LuckyStrike]

apparently the camps are still there...this girl went there and took photos

Auschwitz

http://www.lindsayfincher.com/2007/10/auschwitz.html


Yes that is where they sent the marxists I fail to see your point.

[StackerKen]

Marxists?

Can a child be a Marxists?

[Dusty]

From the o/p this thread is sure going sideway..
Matter of fact, way! sideways and has evolved
into something else.


Funny how some cockroach trolls can hijack a
thread..

Or could it be said the topic drifted from the o/p?

Hard to call!

[Book]

It directly contradicts what I've seen with my own two eyes. I just don't believe everything posted on the internet.


http://www.holocaustdenialvideos.com/one_third_of_the_holocaust.html

Believe this BA.

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[old steel]

Marxists?

Can a child be a Marxists?


Can a child be a Republican?

Can a child be a Catholic?

It's called the law of first report i believe.

[MAGNES]

This whole thread was a sh*t troll thread to begin with.

It is nonsense that this has been allowed up.

What about the next ones.

Imagine what 100 skyvike drama queen rats could do
http://gold-silver.us/forum/board-communications/imagine-what-100-skyvike-drama-queen-rats-could-do/

Start a thread about WWII, I would be in the middle
and everyone would have an issue to put it mildly.

IG Farben owned the "gas chambers" . Rockefeller and Rothchild.
They armed and created Hitler. They created and enabled the Thyssen
Group through their agents, Hitlers steel and armaments giant.
New York bankers created Hitler and Stalin. There are many good
sources for all of this. There were no gas chambers, the Germans
were not choir boys either they destroyed Europe and themselves.
That was the plan. They enslaved half of Europe, that was the plan.
Patton was a great man, Hitler was not. The Protocols implemented.

This thread should be closed,
lots of opportunities to discuss all of the above.

[madfranks]

In the famous words of Mamboni, we don't need to show the whole world our skidmarks. This thread makes this forum look bad. The original topic ran it's course, and now it has morphed into something completely different. I'm going to lock this thread now, and if any members want to open a new thread to discuss Hitler and the holocaust, be my guest. I suggest either the Politics section or the Conspiracy section for that purpose.