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MNeagle
16th July 2010, 07:09 AM
Drowning Doesn't Look Like Drowning
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Drowning? Not likely.

UPDATE: Many thanks to everyone who has shared this important information.


The new captain jumped from the cockpit, fully dressed, and sprinted through the water. A former lifeguard, he kept his eyes on his victim as he headed straight for the boat owners who were swimming between their anchored sportfisher and the beach. “I think he thinks you're drowning,” the husband said to his wife. They had been splashing each other and she had screamed but now they were just standing, neck-deep on the sand bar. “We're fine, what is he doing?” she asked, a little annoyed. “We're fine!” the husband yelled, waving him off, but his captain kept swimming hard. ”Move!” he barked as he sprinted between the stunned owners. Directly behind them, not ten feet away, their nine-year-old daughter was drowning. Safely above the surface in the arms of the captain, she burst into tears, “Daddy!”

How did this captain know, from fifty feet away, what the father couldn't recognize from just ten? Drowning is not the violent, splashing, call for help that most people expect. The captain was trained to recognize drowning by experts and years of experience. The father, on the other hand, had learned what drowning looks like by watching television. If you spend time on or near the water (hint: that’s all of us) then you should make sure that you and your crew knows what to look for whenever people enter the water. Until she cried a tearful, “Daddy,” she hadn't made a sound. As a former Coast Guard rescue swimmer, I wasn't surprised at all by this story. Drowning is almost always a deceptively quiet event. The waving, splashing, and yelling that dramatic conditioning (television) prepares us to look for, is rarely seen in real life.

The Instinctive Drowning Response – so named by Francesco A. Pia, Ph.D., is what people do to avoid actual or perceived suffocation in the water. And it does not look like most people expect. There is very little splashing, no waving, and no yelling or calls for help of any kind. To get an idea of just how quiet and undramatic from the surface drowning can be, consider this: It is the number two cause of accidental death in children, age 15 and under (just behind vehicle accidents) – of the approximately 750 children who will drown next year, about 375 of them will do so within 25 yards of a parent or other adult. In ten percent of those drownings, the adult will actually watch them do it, having no idea it is happening (source: CDC). Drowning does not look like drowning – Dr. Pia, in an article in the Coast Guard’s On Scene Magazine, described the instinctive drowning response like this:

Except in rare circumstances, drowning people are physiologically unable to call out for help. The respiratory system was designed for breathing. Speech is the secondary or overlaid function. Breathing must be fulfilled, before speech occurs.

Drowning people’s mouths alternately sink below and reappear above the surface of the water. The mouths of drowning people are not above the surface of the water long enough for them to exhale, inhale, and call out for help. When the drowning people’s mouths are above the surface, they exhale and inhale quickly as their mouths start to sink below the surface of the water.

Drowning people cannot wave for help. Nature instinctively forces them to extend their arms laterally and press down on the water’s surface. Pressing down on the surface of the water, permits drowning people to leverage their bodies so they can lift their mouths out of the water to breathe.

Throughout the Instinctive Drowning Response, drowning people cannot voluntarily control their arm movements. Physiologically, drowning people who are struggling on the surface of the water cannot stop drowning and perform voluntary movements such as waving for help, moving toward a rescuer, or reaching out for a piece of rescue equipment.

From beginning to end of the Instinctive Drowning Response people’s bodies remain upright in the water, with no evidence of a supporting kick. Unless rescued by a trained lifeguard, these drowning people can only struggle on the surface of the water from 20 to 60 seconds before submersion occurs.

(Source: On Scene Magazine: Fall 2006)

This doesn't mean that a person that is yelling for help and thrashing isn't in real trouble – they are experience aquatic distress. Not always present before the instinctive drowning response, aquatic distress doesn't last long – but unlike true drowning, these victims can still assist in there own rescue. They can grab lifelines, throw rings, etc.

Look for these other signs of drowning when persons are in the water:

*Head low in the water, mouth at water level
*Head tilted back with mouth open
*Eyes glassy and empty, unable to focus
*Eyes closed
*Hair over forehead or eyes
*Not using legs – Vertical
*Hyperventilating or gasping
*Trying to swim in a particular direction but not making headway
*Trying to roll over on the back
*Ladder climb, rarely out of the water.

So if a crew member falls overboard and every looks O.K. – don't be too sure. Sometimes the most common indication that someone is drowning is that they don't look like they're drowning. They may just look like they are treading water and looking up at the deck. One way to be sure? Ask them: “Are you alright?” If they can answer at all – they probably are. If they return a blank stare – you may have less than 30 seconds to get to them. And parents: children playing in the water make noise. When they get quiet, you get to them and find out why.

If you have any questions at all – please post them in the gCaptain forums under “maritime safety”

This Article Was Written By Mario Vittone
Mario Vittone has nineteen years of combined military service in the U.S. Navy and Coast Guard. His writing on maritime safety has appeared in Yachting, SaltWater Sportsman,On- Scene, Lifelines, and Reader's Digest magazine. He has lectured extensively on topics ranging from leadership to sea survival and immersion hypothermia. He is a marine safety specialist with the U.S. Coast Guard.

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/cg534/On%20Scene/OSFall06.pdf

Liquid
16th July 2010, 09:17 AM
Hand in hand with this, if you haven't taken a CPR class, do so as soon as possible. Especially if you have children. Knowing CPR is simply invaluable. I have used CPR many times and can attest to it's importance. You have to take the course, practice on the dumbies, etc...to really understand CPR. Online courses won't help you so much.

Also, the price of AED's is going down, for older folks this would be a wise prepping item.

BrewTech
16th July 2010, 09:34 AM
Having nearly drowned in Lake Spokane a couple of summers ago (overestimated my ability to swim across a lagoon at top speed to retrieve an overturned RC boat, ran out of gas halfway across, and began to hyperventilate), I can say this article is spot on, and VERY important info to know and remember.

Thanks for posting...

Damn, just reading this brings me back... <shudder>

Liquid
16th July 2010, 01:40 PM
Damn, just reading this brings me back... <shudder>


Jeez, how did you pull yourself out of that, to keep from drowning? That sounds worse then my close call.

Mine was surfing on a big day when I shouldn't have been out there. I wiped out, and the wave held me down too long. I came up for air, just as another wave crashed on top of me. That happened 4 times, with no air. The last time I knew if I didn't get to my board, I was done. I made it the board, and back on the beach I was coughing uncontrollably, and throwing up, for ages.

ximmy
16th July 2010, 02:23 PM
That is great info... I had no idea... :o

StackerKen
16th July 2010, 02:43 PM
Yes good Article

Also remember that when someone is struggling in the water and think they might drown,
They can sometimes drown their rescuer

Thats why a pole or a life ring on a rope is sometimes used.

More tips


To this should be added some information for would-be rescuers of drowning people.
The instinctive drowning response is a climbing response. What you see are twin splashes as the person's arms flail wide looking for something to grab on to. If they find it the automatic response is to grab it, climb up, and stand on top. The person doing this is panicked and has massively more strength than you think. If you are swimming and a young child does that to you, you will go under water. If you panic, you will get the same reflex, and will drown yourself.

Therefore if you wish to rescue someone who is drowning, you have 4 basic options.
1. The most common response is to go to them and try to rescue directly. If the water is shallow enough that you can stand, letting them climb up you can be OK. Otherwise this is suicide. Frequently one drowning leads to multiple others, and this is exactly how they get started.

2. Keep your distance and hand them something to climb on. They can't see a pole to grab it, but if they touch, they will climb, which gives them air.

3. Wait until the drowning person is unconscious. Then go to them and tow them in. If you can't stand in the water, and don't have anything to do 2) with, this is recommended.

4. (For trained people only.) Swim up behind them, grab them from where they can't grab you, and lift them up to get air. Talk soothingly to them until they relax, and then tow them in. If they get hold of you, DIVE so they let go, back off, circle around, and start again.

If you do not have lifeguard training then I strongly recommend against trying #4. Unless you know how to do the eggbeater you won't know how to hold them out of water. And if they grab you, you have surprisingly little time to make the correct response before you are drowning as well.
Oh yes, and another data point. Drowning is the #1 cause of death in toddlers. It is quiet. It is fast. Beware of the backyard pool.

BrewTech
16th July 2010, 07:43 PM
Damn, just reading this brings me back... <shudder>


Jeez, how did you pull yourself out of that, to keep from drowning? That sounds worse then my close call.

Mine was surfing on a big day when I shouldn't have been out there. I wiped out, and the wave held me down too long. I came up for air, just as another wave crashed on top of me. That happened 4 times, with no air. The last time I knew if I didn't get to my board, I was done. I made it the board, and back on the beach I was coughing uncontrollably, and throwing up, for ages.




Thankfully, there was a speed limit buoy (steel keg type) chained to the bottom about 20 ft away... the only flotation device available. hooked on to that as best I could and waited for the HV to get under control. All the while my people were calling from the shore to see if I was alright, of course I couldn't really answer. After about 5 minutes or so I was able to slowly swim the rest of the way to the boat launch... I didn't tell anyone but my GF I was in trouble cause I didn't want them to feel bad. If not for that bouy, I'd have drowned, no doubt. The mistake I made was assuming lake water has the same flotation factor as ocean salt water... lol... IT DOESN'T.

As for surfing in waves too big... been there done that on a storm day at the Huntington cliffs... Ken will tell ya how bad that can get...

about 12 feet... storm conditions... scary.

MNeagle
16th July 2010, 07:47 PM
Glad that those who suffered close calls are here & alive.

StackerKen
16th July 2010, 08:10 PM
Damn, just reading this brings me back... <shudder>


Jeez, how did you pull yourself out of that, to keep from drowning? That sounds worse then my close call.

Mine was surfing on a big day when I shouldn't have been out there. I wiped out, and the wave held me down too long. I came up for air, just as another wave crashed on top of me. That happened 4 times, with no air. The last time I knew if I didn't get to my board, I was done. I made it the board, and back on the beach I was coughing uncontrollably, and throwing up, for ages.




Thankfully, there was a speed limit buoy (steel keg type) chained to the bottom about 20 ft away... the only flotation device available. hooked on to that as best I could and waited for the HV to get under control. All the while my people were calling from the shore to see if I was alright, of course I couldn't really answer. After about 5 minutes or so I was able to slowly swim the rest of the way to the boat launch... I didn't tell anyone but my GF I was in trouble cause I didn't want them to feel bad. If not for that bouy, I'd have drowned, no doubt. The mistake I made was assuming lake water has the same flotation factor as ocean salt water... lol... IT DOESN'T.

As for surfing in waves too big... been there done that on a storm day at the Huntington cliffs... Ken will tell ya how bad that can get...

about 12 feet... storm conditions... scary.


Im sure most of you know, The human body floats
I think it is the panic that makes you sink. (not sure)
I love to Stretch out on my back, relax my body completely and float on the water.

Yeah, it works even better in salt water.

When I first started to reply to this, I was gonna say that I have never come close to drowning.
then I thought about it...I guess I have. But never inhaled water which is tech for drowning.
I have been held down by some pretty big waves in my day.
(And held down by some not so big too) ;D
I remember wiping out one time and having the wind knocked out of me. And I was held down so long (praying the whole time) that I started to black out.
I thought for sure I was gonna die.

That was scary at the time....but when I finally came up, I just paddled back out and caught some more waves (was too good a day to just stop)

Panic is what will get you....it uses up more oxygen.

If you are swimming far from shore or a boat...and you start to get tired...I suggest a gentle back stroke...or just lay on your back and kick gently.

BrewTech
16th July 2010, 09:09 PM
Ken, I can't even begin to tell you what a difference there is between salt and fresh water, although you maybe already know. It is not the same thing at all.

You know I grew up in HB... I spent HOURS treading water in the ocean without even the benefit of fins... easy stuff, especially when you are young. Misjudging the buoyancy factor of fresh water was my mistake. I was out of gas before I knew what was happening - full speed swim and BAM! Out of breath. In the ocean I'm sure it would have been different.

Maybe that's what people who are accustomed to swimming in the ocean, but not lakes, need to remember when they get into fresh water. Floating is NOT easy in a lake, compared to the ocean. You will get tired faster...

Liquid
16th July 2010, 09:44 PM
Floating is NOT easy in a lake, compared to the ocean. You will get tired faster...



That's a very good point, Brewtech. It is like night and day, I sink like a rock in fresh water, but so much in the ocean.

Also, the best thing you can do to help someone who's drowning, is to throw them a flotation device. A cushion, float ring, whatever you have handy. Chuck everything around to them, if it sinks, it sinks..but if it floats, it gives them a chance. Toss it in. Give that person something to hold on to. It can make the difference between life and death.

StackerKen
16th July 2010, 10:27 PM
You guys are right you do float better in salt water.

and some places like mainland Mexico (IE Acapulco bay) the water is even saltier so you float real good.

But Honestly. If I relax, I can float flat on my back in a swimming pool or a lake. :)

I do it ever chance I get.

SLV^GLD
17th July 2010, 12:30 PM
I do not float in fresh or salt water. I have an unbelievably low body fat percentage (<3%). It's just how God made me. I am envious of people who can float. Hell, I'm envious of people who can get in water and not go into hypothermia in under 10 minutes like I do. The day I put on a wetsuit was the day I learned to love the water again. I'm buoyant and I maintain core heat in a wetsuit. I don't care if I look like an idiot swimming in a wetsuit unlike everyone else, I'd be miserable or not even in the water otherwise.

ximmy
17th July 2010, 04:28 PM
I do not float in fresh or salt water. I have an unbelievably low body fat percentage (<3%). It's just how God made me. I am envious of people who can float. Hell, I'm envious of people who can get in water and not go into hypothermia in under 10 minutes like I do. The day I put on a wetsuit was the day I learned to love the water again. I'm buoyant and I maintain core heat in a wetsuit. I don't care if I look like an idiot swimming in a wetsuit unlike everyone else, I'd be miserable or not even in the water otherwise.


sooo funny... you bag of bones... :D

Jewboo
7th July 2013, 10:56 AM
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Serpo
8th July 2013, 04:51 AM
thanks