Is there any experience in your life that you are not sure is real or is a dream?

[dys]

Memory-holed thread from GIM.

I have a couple. I'm wondering if anyone else has had this experience? Has anything ever happened in your life that you can't be sure was real, or if you dreamed it?

dys

[midnight rambler]

On occasion yes, however atm I don't recall anything specific.

"...all the people you can't recall, do they really exist at all?"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8ZEKl12v-A&feature=related

"...life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves..." --Bill Hicks


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D0BeLz5blM

[hoarder]

When I have a dream/nightmare, I don't know if I'm awake or dreaming. I have never been uncertain of which it was while awake, nor nor have I ever had any spiritual or supernatural experience.

[Santa]

Yes.

[7th trump]

Memory-holed thread from GIM.

I have a couple. I'm wondering if anyone else has had this experience? Has anything ever happened in your life that you can't be sure was real, or if you dreamed it?

dys
None here!

You really want to admit that you've from past incidences cannot discern reality from a dream?
You do realize this admission greatly reduces your creditability!

[dys]

Yes.

Care to elaborate?

dys

[Blink]

Memory-holed thread from GIM.

I have a couple. I'm wondering if anyone else has had this experience? Has anything ever happened in your life that you can't be sure was real, or if you dreamed it?

dys

Read "Source Field Investigations" by David Wilcock. Great read to maybe help with those "dreams". Maybe, we're all living in a dream............

[Spectrism]

LOL.... uhh... I was smokin a doobie and I don't know if I was dreamin or it was real.... and uhh... I seen this cute little dog drop a doogie on the floor and then it turned into a unicorn.... and I guy wearing a turban cut his head off.... and just then a fairy princess flew in the window and reattached the head and made the turban guy smoke the doogie like my doobie. I am not sure if this was real or a dream.

[Blink]

None here!

You really want to admit that you've from past incidences cannot discern reality from a dream?
You do realize this admission greatly reduces your creditability!

Great strides have been made in quantum physics and conceptual reality. How active conscious thought can change the reality we're in. I don't think dys's admission is any indication of "lack of credibility". If anything he/she isn't afraid to ask questions about something not fully understood by "modern/5 sense" science. There are numerous documented trials indicating the energies that surround us that we don't see or talk about. These energies heal/change/evolve on a continuous basis. I suggest you read the book that I recommended to dys and then think about who's credibility is possibly at stake............

[Old Herb Lady]

lol.... Uhh... I was smokin a doobie and i don't know if i was dreamin or it was real.... And uhh... I seen this cute little dog drop a doogie on the floor and then it turned into a unicorn.... And i guy wearing a turban cut his head off.... And just then a fairy princess flew in the window and reattached the head and made the turban guy smoke the doogie like my doobie. I am not sure if this was real or a dream.

f-a-r-r-r- o-u-t- d-u-d-e- n-o-o-o -- w-a-y- m - e- t-o-o -o-o--

[Blink]

I read a ground breaking book by Dr. Stephen Laberge in the 80's. It was about lucid dreaming (consciously aware and awake in your dreams). Very interesting to say the least. It took some time to condition myself, but, blew me away when it started to work. It was great to be consciously aware while you dream. You can manipulate/change/do whatever. Hypnosis is another field of great discoveries. Tricking the the sub conscious mind to make the conscious mind feel/see/not see things or actions that are either not there or there. There is far more to this existence than what the five senses can show/prove to us. Study the pineal gland for example and see how it is worshipped by "all" religions around the world. The Vatican has representative pineal gland sculptures and symbolisms everywhere............

[Old Herb Lady]

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa285/rimacalifornia/CALIFORNIA101.jpg

[Book]

How active conscious thought can change the reality we're in.



http://www.liquorsnob.com/assets_c/2011/01/beer-goggles-thumb-450x352-28387.jpg

::) usually there is alcohol or pot involved with this kind of delusional thinking

[Blink]

We've taken the experience of the shamans/medicine men/priests and ridiculed them into oblivion with this "enlightened" style western culture and technology and now bring it back as "quantum physics" to the unbelieving masses, so as to be believed in once again. As for the doobie smokers, ancient cultures used hallucinating plants/elixirs to help them in their higher meditative states of enlightenment. Puff away, you're on the right path.......

[Spectrism]

On a serious side.... one thing I have noticed in dreams as I am waking up, is that many things do not translate into this world. As I am about to wake up I see two things happen. First, I realize that something very profound and complex is being worked over in my mind, but it fades quickly into a fog of confusion, impossibility and ridiculous thoughts as conscious waves of thought break through. Next, I can sometimes see pictures flashing in my mind at super-fast rates. Just like movie films in a theater flash frames of still shots, I see these and they jump from one topic to another with action happening from the sequence of the stills. They sometimes continue for a while as I lay awake in bed watching the movie.

[Blink]

http://www.liquorsnob.com/assets_c/2011/01/beer-goggles-thumb-450x352-28387.jpg

::) usually there is alcohol or pot involved with this kind of delusional thinking

We live in a world of delusional thinking. But, its not the only world out there.......... BTW, society uses booze/drugs to escape this circus we call home, whereas the ancients used drugs for enlightenment and to further understand the workings of the world and how they fit in..........


Remember, guns don't kill, idiots with guns kill..........

[midnight rambler]

Great strides have been made in quantum physics and conceptual reality. How active conscious thought can change the reality we're in. I don't think dys's admission is any indication of "lack of credibility". If anything he/she isn't afraid to ask questions about something not fully understood by "modern/5 sense" science. There are numerous documented trials indicating the energies that surround us that we don't see or talk about. These energies heal/change/evolve on a continuous basis. I suggest you read the book that I recommended to dys and then think about who's credibility is possibly at stake............

+1

.

[midnight rambler]

On a serious side.... one thing I have noticed in dreams as I am waking up, is that many things do not translate into this world. As I am about to wake up I see two things happen. First, I realize that something very profound and complex is being worked over in my mind, but it fades quickly into a fog of confusion, impossibility and ridiculous thoughts as conscious waves of thought break through. Next, I can sometimes see pictures flashing in my mind at super-fast rates. Just like movie films in a theater flash frames of still shots, I see these and they jump from one topic to another with action happening from the sequence of the stills. They sometimes continue for a while as I lay awake in bed watching the movie.

One's subconscious is the part of one's self in direct contact with the Creator, one's conscious is the part of one's self most subject to being delusional - and this can have an impact on the subconscious. One's dreams are largely a result of one's own conscious programming.

And FWIW, I'd sooner trust the 'credibility' of someone who has had experience with naturally occurring hallucinogens* before I would someone who hasn't.

*the Creator put naturally occurring hallucinogens here for very good reason

[Old Herb Lady]

We've taken the experience of the shamans/medicine men/priests and ridiculed them into oblivion with this "enlightened" style western culture and technology and now bring it back as "quantum physics" to the unbelieving masses, so as to be believed in once again. As for the doobie smokers, ancient cultures used hallucinating plants/elixirs to help them in their higher meditative states of enlightenment. Puff away, you're on the right path.......

The shamans/medicine men are repulsed at pot smokers.
The true shamans have respect for the plants that they hold as sacred & use them in the highest amount of respect in themselves & their patients.
The act of using /smoking plants is used in a sacred healing ritual/s including sweat lodges, smudging, prayers, drumming, chanting, dreamcatchers, medicine wheels, laying on of hands, breathwork, bodywork, baths etc and on & on.

Just because someone uses pot doesn't classify them as being in the midst of a healing session no matter what anyone thinks.
It's more in the same lines as a doctor prescribing a drug for an ailment.

All of a sudden pot smokers who don't care anything about the healing qualities of hundreds of thousands of plants become experts on the miraculous healing of marijuana because it makes them HIGH and able to get to an "enlightment state" and they're helping themselves to 'heal".

If someone is going to smoke it, smoke away. I don't care. I know lots of pot smokers. They've passed them around right in front of me. At the very least there is nothing wrong with a potsmoker admitting that they use it to relax or they use it because they like the high feeling or they're using it for whatever reason, but to compare it to how the medicine men use it is disrespectful unless you're using it they way they do....in healing / curing the whole entire body/mind/spirit with a whole entire natural healing program not just one modality like smoking some herb.

[osoab]

LOL.... uhh... I was smokin a doobie and I don't know if I was dreamin or it was real.... and uhh... I seen this cute little dog drop a doogie on the floor and then it turned into a unicorn.... and I guy wearing a turban cut his head off.... and just then a fairy princess flew in the window and reattached the head and made the turban guy smoke the doogie like my doobie. I am not sure if this was real or a dream.


What was that doobie laced with?

2355

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

The shamans/medicine men are repulsed at pot smokers.

STOP IT! Just stop it!

How many ayahausca ceremonies have you participated in? How many times have you broken through? You've never traveled astrally on anything stronger than red clover, and I get tired of your negative attitude towards people who are more adventurous than you in the spiritual and botanical realms.

If it makes them feel spiritual, you have no right to tell them otherwise. You aren't in their head and don't have access to their thoughts. You have no grounds to tell them they have not had a shamanic experience. You quite simply do not have that information.

Don't seek to limit what experiences others have had for the sake of your own categorization of them. I have a very serious problem with the way you always tear people down about them doing plant based drugs "The wrong way" because they are not emulating the specific culture you believe has all the answers. You quite frankly do not know what combinations of plants people are taking, but the moment anybody mentions cannabis you're the first to let everyone know what a shitty choice you think that is.

Thousands of shamanic cultures have been lost to history. You can't possibly have knowledge of a majority of them. You have no basis for telling people they are doing plant medicine "Wrong".

[EE_]

Memory-holed thread from GIM.

I have a couple. I'm wondering if anyone else has had this experience? Has anything ever happened in your life that you can't be sure was real, or if you dreamed it?

dys

It would be nice to be sure this life is real or just a dream? It might help in answering the question?

[madfranks]

I'd like to add a couple of things. First, how one defines "dream" or "dreaming" is very important. For instance, a normal night of dreaming during sleeping, those are very easy to distinguish from reality. But what about what is commonly called a vision? Is a vision a dream? Is it the same kind of dream one would have at night? Many of the prophets in the Bible had visions or dreams that they certainly believed were real.

Only once in my life did I have what I would call a "vision", and looking back on it now I still struggle with whether or not it was real. It still makes me think. In my vision I was being guided up a very, very long set of stairs winding up a large tower. The strange thing about it is it seemed like I was going up these stairs for a very, very long time, but paradoxically it simultaneously seemed like no time at all. I was greeted in a courtyard by a few beings who seemed to be angelic, and were very welcoming to my visit. Everything looked gold or golden, and the beings certainly seemed more real than anything I've ever experienced in a normal "dream". And then it faded away. The way I see it, our spirits are just as real as our physical bodies, but we are used to spending pretty much all of our time in the physical, so when we experience something that's spiritual in nature it seems unusual and we tend to describe it in the closest terms we know, which is dreaming. Mind = blown. :)

[Blink]

The shamans/medicine men are repulsed at pot smokers.
The true shamans have respect for the plants that they hold as sacred & use them in the highest amount of respect in themselves & their patients.
The act of using /smoking plants is used in a sacred healing ritual/s including sweat lodges, smudging, prayers, drumming, chanting, dreamcatchers, medicine wheels, laying on of hands, breathwork, bodywork, baths etc and on & on.

Just because someone uses pot doesn't classify them as being in the midst of a healing session no matter what anyone thinks.
It's more in the same lines as a doctor prescribing a drug for an ailment.

All of a sudden pot smokers who don't care anything about the healing qualities of hundreds of thousands of plants become experts on the miraculous healing of marijuana because it makes them HIGH and able to get to an "enlightment state" and they're helping themselves to 'heal".

If someone is going to smoke it, smoke away. I don't care. I know lots of pot smokers. They've passed them around right in front of me. At the very least there is nothing wrong with a potsmoker admitting that they use it to relax or they use it because they like the high feeling or they're using it for whatever reason, but to compare it to how the medicine men use it is disrespectful unless you're using it they way they do....in healing / curing the whole entire body/mind/spirit with a whole entire natural healing program not just one modality like smoking some herb.

Huh? WTF are you ranting about. Get a grip...........

[Spectrism]

One's subconscious is the part of one's self in direct contact with the Creator, one's conscious is the part of one's self most subject to being delusional - and this can have an impact on the subconscious. One's dreams are largely a result of one's own conscious programming.

And FWIW, I'd sooner trust the 'credibility' of someone who has had experience with naturally occurring hallucinogens* before I would someone who hasn't.

*the Creator put naturally occurring hallucinogens here for very good reason

Well, that would be true of the original creation. We are now living in a fallen world- the earth was cursed and the things of this earth can hurt as much as help us. For example, would you seek snakebite or spider stings to help?

[Santa]

I got filled with spirit once, and delivered a prophetic message to a crowd control bouncer at a concert. A long conversation ensued that ended in him crying in thankfulness, calling me a messenger from God. And I don't even remember the message I delivered. I only remember bits telling him that he was a writer and he was about to be published.

Ack! Maybe it was HAARP Mind Control.

The funny thing is I was with three friends at the time, and not one of them saw anything at all when I asked. Lol...

It was as though I had been borrowed momentarily to give a message, and got to observe some of it. That is all.

I could be deluded, but I don't really care. I"d be happy to do it again. Anytime. Even if it's just a dream, or only a memory.

That guy was elated. It was weird elating a strange dude at a concert, to say the least. Lol....

[Old Herb Lady]

STOP IT! Just stop it!

How many ayahausca ceremonies have you participated in? How many times have you broken through? You've never traveled astrally on anything stronger than red clover, and I get tired of your negative attitude towards people who are more adventurous than you in the spiritual and botanical realms.

If it makes them feel spiritual, you have no right to tell them otherwise. You aren't in their head and don't have access to their thoughts. You have no grounds to tell them they have not had a shamanic experience. You quite simply do not have that information.

Don't seek to limit what experiences others have had for the sake of your own categorization of them. I have a very serious problem with the way you always tear people down about them doing plant based drugs "The wrong way" because they are not emulating the specific culture you believe has all the answers. You quite frankly do not know what combinations of plants people are taking, but the moment anybody mentions cannabis you're the first to let everyone know what a shitty choice you think that is.

Thousands of shamanic cultures have been lost to history. You can't possibly have knowledge of a majority of them. You have no basis for telling people they are doing plant medicine "Wrong".

You're right NE. I do apologize. I just talk to alot of Shamans at herb conventions & stuff & I have alot of respect for them & their plant knowledge & healings
but shouldn't have tried to get in depth about people's shamanic/occultist experiences.
Anyone smoking any plant is none of my business & my lack of adventurous spirituality must limit me to having the closed mindset that I do.
I know people that do astral travel with no herbal help, but again, I have no place in replying about smoking plants. You've set me straight. Thank You !

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

I apologize as well. I wanted to delete that post before you saw it. I didn't mean to fly off the handle - my ego was driving and I regret that.




I have also had out-of-body experiences while sober during meditation. It's a hard thing to cultivate since I don't really know how it will materialize, how it will affect me, or where it will lead me. I'm not doing it intentionally, it just kind happens. And the lessons are always ambiguous - it's never a clear moral learning like "don't do this" or "do more of that." It's more like the feeling you get when you wake up from a dream and you're really not sure how to process an ambiguous or weird scene you just witnessed.


Spiritual guides in this day and age are indeed lacking and rare. Really we have only tradition to rely on. And tradition is limited and narrow in scope since it does not accout for the global breadth of spiritual tools we have at our disposal today.

The "new age" movement may get a lot of negative publicity, but I for one appreciate their attempts to create an amalgamation of all the old spiritual practices of the world.

We are victims of our time. I for one do not have access to a traditionally spiritual culture, but through the pure desire to seek it, I have found it regardless. I can only imagine the glory of actually being involved in this type of thinking at a societal level, instead of having to hide it all the time like I do now.

[midnight rambler]

Well, that would be true of the original creation. We are now living in a fallen world- the earth was cursed and the things of this earth can hurt as much as help us. For example, would you seek snakebite or spider stings to help?

Don't be asinine.

[LuckyStrike]

I dont know if I define this like some of you will, but pretty regularly I can't remember if some thought I had was a dream or I actually did it. Not like "did I go snow skiing in the Alps, or was that just a dream" but really mundane stuff like (not this exactly but similar petty things) "did someone tell me X or did I dream that they did"

It's never anything that has importance or whatever, I always attribute it to a very active mind and also a huge consumer of information on a daily basis, I listen to probably 4-6 hours of podcasts per day (sermons, science and economics mainly) and come home and read quite a few articles per night. But it seems like everyone here is pretty well informed so is this normal?

[Santa]

Well, that would be true of the original creation. We are now living in a fallen world- the earth was cursed and the things of this earth can hurt as much as help us. For example, would you seek snakebite or spider stings to help?

What about bee stings for arthritis?

[midnight rambler]

I dont know if I define this like some of you will, but pretty regularly I can't remember if some thought I had was a dream or I actually did it. Not like "did I go snow skiing in the Alps, or was that just a dream" but really mundane stuff like (not this exactly but similar petty things) "did someone tell me X or did I dream that they did"

It's never anything that has importance or whatever, I always attribute it to a very active mind and also a huge consumer of information on a daily basis, I listen to probably 4-6 hours of podcasts per day (sermons, science and economics mainly) and come home and read quite a few articles per night. But it seems like everyone here is pretty well informed so is this normal?

It's deja vu all over again.

[LuckyStrike]

It's deja vu all over again.

I do sometimes have that too, but it's not like "oh I've done this before" it's I'll be thinking about something like something I need to tell someone or that someone told me and have to really think about it.

No drugs here either, legal or otherwise.

As I said though this isn't something which has any bearing on my life, other than perhaps early onset insanity ;)

[midnight rambler]

I do sometimes have that too, but it's not like "oh I've done this before" it's I'll be thinking about something like something I need to tell someone or that someone told me and have to really think about it.

No drugs here either, legal or otherwise.

As I said though this isn't something which has any bearing on my life, other than perhaps early onset insanity ;)

Perhaps it's late onset lucidity.

[Golden]

Imagine the realization and realize your imagination. POOF! A great step of enlightenment is remembering one is within and without. Switching between discernment becomes difficult in a group without proper ground or shared context in experience. Our perceived reality is a shared relativity or parity. You are defined by sets of parameters. Change parameters and you change. Electric clay.

[Santa]

I dont know if I define this like some of you will, but pretty regularly I can't remember if some thought I had was a dream or I actually did it. Not like "did I go snow skiing in the Alps, or was that just a dream" but really mundane stuff like (not this exactly but similar petty things) "did someone tell me X or did I dream that they did"

It's never anything that has importance or whatever, I always attribute it to a very active mind and also a huge consumer of information on a daily basis, I listen to probably 4-6 hours of podcasts per day (sermons, science and economics mainly) and come home and read quite a few articles per night. But it seems like everyone here is pretty well informed so is this normal?

I think something is actually happening. And not limited to humans. An expansion of collective consciousness. Both cosmologically and exponentially. And quite possibly of Biblical proportions. Frankly, my mind is opening. Whether it's opening like a flower or a hole in the ground I'm not sure. Lol

[LuckyStrike]

Perhaps it's late onset lucidity.

LOL

Not to change the subject but has anyone ever had sleep paralysis? MAN that is freaky, I've only had it a couple times, once was quite bad and at the time had never even heard of it, afterwards I didn't know WTF had happened and several years later I read about it and was reassured to know it wasn't just me.

[midnight rambler]

LOL

Not to change the subject but has anyone ever had sleep paralysis? MAN that is freaky, I've only had it a couple times, once was quite bad and at the time had never even heard of it, afterwards I didn't know WTF had happened and several years later I read about it and was reassured to know it wasn't just me.

I've experienced that at least one time, perhaps twice, and yes, it's very freaky.

[chad]

LOL

Not to change the subject but has anyone ever had sleep paralysis? MAN that is freaky, I've only had it a couple times, once was quite bad and at the time had never even heard of it, afterwards I didn't know WTF had happened and several years later I read about it and was reassured to know it wasn't just me.

had it once. i tried screaming to wake my wife up, but nothing would happen. weird, weird, weird.

[Golden]

LOL

Not to change the subject but has anyone ever had sleep paralysis? MAN that is freaky, I've only had it a couple times, once was quite bad and at the time had never even heard of it, afterwards I didn't know WTF had happened and several years later I read about it and was reassured to know it wasn't just me.

FYI, FWIW that's a legal "bad trip" albeit a short one. lol
I heard someone explain it as a disassociation between the body at rest, the spirit astro-projecting and your mind self actualizing then realizing it's not all inside the body at once-WHAM-there you are opening your eyes like OMG. Time to reboot. I get the sensation of falling. Reminds me of the jump test Neo takes in the Matrix. If the mind isn't ready you fall and wake up.

[LuckyStrike]

FYI, FWIW that's a legal "bad trip" albeit a short one. lol
I heard someone explain it as a disassociation between the body at rest, the spirit astro-projecting and your mind self actualizing then realizing it's not all inside the body at once-WHAM-there you are opening your eyes like OMG. Time to reboot. I get the sensation of falling. Reminds me of the jump test Neo takes in the Matrix. If the mind isn't ready you fall and wake up.

I don't know about all that, but it is just when your concious mind wakes up but your mind is still telling your body to be in sleep mode. So you are totally aware of what is going on around you (my parents were talking in the other room at the time) and I knew I was on the couch, I remember thinking at the time like holy shit am I in a coma? It's crazy. It's hard to judge time and it's been probably 10 years but it was at least 1-5 minutes.

[Golden]

The Beatles - Sun King REMIX by Mister Mustard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcmzTEnq0zg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcmzTEnq0zg
Uploaded by mistermustardremixes on Sep 10, 2009
A creative remix of Sun King off of The Beatles' Abbey Road album, featuring commentary by George Martin about deciding to make Abbey Road. Remixed by Mister Mustard.

You can't rhyme if you can't relate. And now it's time for a breakdown.

[Golden]

I don't know about all that, but it is just when your concious mind wakes up but your mind is still telling your body to be in sleep mode. So you are totally aware of what is going on around you (my parents were talking in the other room at the time) and I knew I was on the couch, I remember thinking at the time like holy shit am I in a coma? It's crazy. It's hard to judge time and it's been probably 10 years but it was at least 1-5 minutes.

As I think about it more I could be confusing two similar phenomena. hmmm

[madfranks]

I got filled with spirit once, and delivered a prophetic message to a crowd control bouncer at a concert. A long conversation ensued that ended in him crying in thankfulness, calling me a messenger from God. And I don't even remember the message I delivered. I only remember bits telling him that he was a writer and he was about to be published.

Your story reminds me of something similar that happened to me when I was in college. Just some random day I was in the commons ready to eat my lunch and I bowed my head to pray a blessing for the meal. When I was done, a young lady who I never saw before came up and asked if I was just praying over my meal, and I said yes. Then she started crying, said thank you and walked away. I have no idea what that was about, but I can only guess she was asking for a sign that she wasn't alone or something like that and I was the answer. I honestly have no idea.

[madfranks]

LOL

Not to change the subject but has anyone ever had sleep paralysis? MAN that is freaky, I've only had it a couple times, once was quite bad and at the time had never even heard of it, afterwards I didn't know WTF had happened and several years later I read about it and was reassured to know it wasn't just me.

I had sleep paralysis once. I "woke up" staring at the wall adjacent to my bed, listening to the radio I had turned on, but I couldn't move or talk or anything. Very disturbing, and the weird part is, I didn't snap out of it, even though I was panicked I fell back asleep and the next thing I remember it was the middle of the night but I had all my faculties under control.

[Spectrism]

I had sleep paralysis once. I "woke up" staring at the wall adjacent to my bed, listening to the radio I had turned on, but I couldn't move or talk or anything. Very disturbing, and the weird part is, I didn't snap out of it, even though I was panicked I fell back asleep and the next thing I remember it was the middle of the night but I had all my faculties under control.

Same thing happened to me. I tried calling to my roommate for help and nothing happened. I was yelling- I thought- and could not move.

[lapis]

"...life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves..." --Bill Hicks


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D0BeLz5blM

That sure is a good bit, but this is one of my favorites and it ties in well with this thread:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B413NljCwI

[lapis]

LOL

Not to change the subject but has anyone ever had sleep paralysis? MAN that is freaky, I've only had it a couple times, once was quite bad and at the time had never even heard of it, afterwards I didn't know WTF had happened and several years later I read about it and was reassured to know it wasn't just me.

I used to have that problem regularly starting in junior high, and if that isn't frightening enough, the first time it happened I was so scared and paralyzed for so long that I finally fell asleep and had a dream/vision where a conventional-looking angel dressed in white walked past the open doorway of my room, followed by the usual cliché of a red devil, horns tail and all.

However, he was wearing a business suit and carrying a briefcase! That really made an impression on me because I was living overseas on a military base so most men I saw wore either their uniform or casual civilian clothes.

It's been a long time so I don't remember what happened next, but I think he paused in my doorway to open the briefcase, but by then I was able to somehow move my arm to turn my bedside light on. This experience sure didn't help my life-long fear of The Devil and being demonically possessed! For a long time, that's what I thought was happening, which didn't help me get very much sleep.


I heard someone explain it as a disassociation between the body at rest, the spirit astro-projecting and your mind self actualizing then realizing it's not all inside the body at once-WHAM-there you are opening your eyes like OMG. Time to reboot. I get the sensation of falling. Reminds me of the jump test Neo takes in the Matrix. If the mind isn't ready you fall and wake up.

I think that's true in my case, because a few years ago I was taking a nap in a well-lit bedroom and I started to have the familiar buzzing in my ears and paralysis. But instead of getting scared, I told myself there was nothing to be afraid of, it was daylight and so I tried to just relax into the buzzing sound and the next thing I knew "I" had floated up to the ceiling and was looking down on myself! This surprised me so much that I "fell" right back into my body, only there was no falling interval, I just found myself back inside my own skin again.

Ever since then, I've been wondering what is real and what isn't, because that OBE sure felt very real! I have hoped it would happen again, but it hasn't. I've tried some techniques to dream lucidly, but they haven't worked.

[Blink]

That sure is a good bit, but this is one of my favorites and it ties in well with this thread:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B413NljCwI

I remember watching this years ago (and forgot about it, didn't mean much at the time). Though now, its quite relevant. Its just a ride......... stop hating and start loving.

[Horn]

Jesus on the cross underneath the stairwell in the basement.

I was 7 years old just after finishing my Confirmation.

[dys]

RE: sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis is the body under attack by the demonic. A buzzing or ringing in your ear is also an indication that there is a demon(s) close by. So is a smell of sulphur.
Commanding the entity(ies) away in the name of Jesus Christ usually works to make the experience stop. If you can speak, it works better spoken than thought. It usually works even for nonbelievers, but it's more effective for believers.
The reason it's such a freaky experience is that the body is telling the mind that there is trouble. The fear that you feel is a defense mechanism.

dys

[Spectrism]

RE: sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis is the body under attack by the demonic. A buzzing or ringing in your ear is also an indication that there is a demon(s) close by. So is a smell of sulphur.
Commanding the entity(ies) away in the name of Jesus Christ usually works to make the experience stop. If you can speak, it works better spoken than thought. It usually works even for nonbelievers, but it's more effective for believers.
The reason it's such a freaky experience is that the body is telling the mind that there is trouble. The fear that you feel is a defense mechanism.

dys

There may be some truth to that. At the time, I was dabbling in things of the occult.

In dreams I have been attacked later in life, where they fight to immobilize me and keep me from speaking.

[madfranks]

A buzzing or ringing in your ear is also an indication that there is a demon(s) close by.

I don't know if you've read the book "The Spirit Molecule" about DMT, but many, if not most, of the volunteers who took this psychedelic described a buzzing in their ear as they "broke through" the psychedelic barrier. Interestingly enough, DMT is a naturally produced molecule in our brains, the theory being that the body produces it during periods of high spiritual significance.

[dys]

I dont know if I define this like some of you will, but pretty regularly I can't remember if some thought I had was a dream or I actually did it. Not like "did I go snow skiing in the Alps, or was that just a dream" but really mundane stuff like (not this exactly but similar petty things) "did someone tell me X or did I dream that they did"

It's never anything that has importance or whatever, I always attribute it to a very active mind and also a huge consumer of information on a daily basis, I listen to probably 4-6 hours of podcasts per day (sermons, science and economics mainly) and come home and read quite a few articles per night. But it seems like everyone here is pretty well informed so is this normal?

My experience is pretty similar. For instance, there is a place in a town I grew up in...
I'm not sure if this place actually exists or I just dreamed that it does.
Another example is that when I was 4 years old, I had a friend named Brian. But I'm not sure if he was real or I just dreamed him. That was a very long time ago.

dys

[lapis]

RE: sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis is the body under attack by the demonic. A buzzing or ringing in your ear is also an indication that there is a demon(s) close by. So is a smell of sulphur.
Commanding the entity(ies) away in the name of Jesus Christ usually works to make the experience stop. If you can speak, it works better spoken than thought. It usually works even for nonbelievers, but it's more effective for believers.
The reason it's such a freaky experience is that the body is telling the mind that there is trouble. The fear that you feel is a defense mechanism.

dys

I've heard of all this, but I find it interesting that once I finally yielded to the experience, nothing bad ended up happening to me, unlike all the other times when resisting them caused nightmares. Or maybe I'm no longer the innocent fresh bait that is attractive to demons?


I don't know if you've read the book "The Spirit Molecule" about DMT, but many, if not most, of the volunteers who took this psychedelic described a buzzing in their ear as they "broke through" the psychedelic barrier. Interestingly enough, DMT is a naturally produced molecule in our brains, the theory being that the body produces it during periods of high spiritual significance.

I haven't read the book, but I noticed a movie about DMT on Netflix and was going to watch it. It looks good.

[midnight rambler]

RE: sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis is the body under attack by the demonic. A buzzing or ringing in your ear is also an indication that there is a demon(s) close by. So is a smell of sulphur.
Commanding the entity(ies) away in the name of Jesus Christ usually works to make the experience stop. If you can speak, it works better spoken than thought. It usually works even for nonbelievers, but it's more effective for believers.
The reason it's such a freaky experience is that the body is telling the mind that there is trouble. The fear that you feel is a defense mechanism.

dys

Very interesting, 'cause when I had that experience in my mind (and partially vocally) I said emphatically, "Satan, get thee behind me."...and I was instantly free of the paralysis.

[LuckyStrike]

My experience is pretty similar. For instance, there is a place in a town I grew up in...
I'm not sure if this place actually exists or I just dreamed that it does.
Another example is that when I was 4 years old, I had a friend named Brian. But I'm not sure if he was real or I just dreamed him. That was a very long time ago.

dys

I actually had one the other night so I can give a recent example. I have a 40oz Klean Kanteen that I drink water out of, it has a loop thing on the top. To open it sometimes I stick my finger in it and twist but I always wonder how strong the thing is and if it will break off one day. So the other night I dreamt that I saw it and sure enough it was broken off. Then I got in my truck the next morning and it hadn't and I was like "guess that was a dream"

So I would have to somewhat revise what I have said earlier, that it isn't so much that I dream and can't discern it from reality, but I often dream about things that I do on a regular basis and once I'm awake and then consciously thinking about what happened in the dream I realize that whatever mundane event was just dreamt up.

[zap]

I'm sorry Dys, I don't believe any of that for a minute, I had sleep paralysis once ,

I was about 15 and prayed to god to give me a sign he was real, I begged him, and challenged him, to move my lamp or some dish on my nightstand, I prayed hard !

I guess I fell asleep and then a little while later I woke up couldn't move, my eyes were open and I tried to scream, I felt my bed shake, But I wasn't scared, I couldn't move, I started saying the lords prayer in my head, and then I was able to move, I went right into the frontroom where my mom was and asked if we just had a earthquake, she said no. so I always assumed it was God giving me the sign that I was asking for, was he? or was it just sleep paralysis. Prolly the latter.

@ at Lucky I have had a couple of reoccurring dreams in my life , I had dreams about going to a funeral and looking at the casket, I had, had this dream on more then 1 occasion, maybe 4 times, I would try as hard as I could to see who was in the casket, I never could see who it was in it, when I woke I thought maybe its me, thats why I couldn't see it, then after a few more times I thought it was an ex, I never did see who was in it, but I am sure now it was my dearly departed.

[madfranks]

@ at Lucky I have had a couple of reoccurring dreams in my life , I had dreams about going to a funeral and looking at the casket, I had, had this dream on more then 1 occasion, maybe 4 times, I would try as hard as I could to see who was in the casket, I never could see who it was in it, when I woke I thought maybe its me, thats why I couldn't see it, then after a few more times I thought it was an ex, I never did see who was in it, but I am sure now it was my dearly departed.

My heart breaks for you and yours. How profound that you had dreams like this, but at the same time, sad.

[DMac]

I don't know if you've read the book "The Spirit Molecule" about DMT, but many, if not most, of the volunteers who took this psychedelic described a buzzing in their ear as they "broke through" the psychedelic barrier. Interestingly enough, DMT is a naturally produced molecule in our brains, the theory being that the body produces it during periods of high spiritual significance.


I own that book and found it fascinating.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

DMT looks extremely promising. There are ways to make it (plant extraction) in the home. I've read about it for years, always with a fondness and a plan to one day try it.

A large percentage of DMT users report going to a "similar" place. The most common thread they report is that they space they went to was inhabited by friendly entities.

[DMac]

DMT looks extremely promising. There are ways to make it (plant extraction) in the home. I've read about it for years, always with a fondness and a plan to one day try it.

A large percentage of DMT users report going to a "similar" place. The most common thread they report is that they space they went to was inhabited by friendly entities.


The reports about these entities often coincide as well. Personally I think the pituitary's release of DMT happens when we are dying - this is what creates the 'life flashing before one's eyes' effect.