looking for milk-like drink with protein and not to awful taste ?

[Dachsie]

i am going to try to eliminate milk (and dairy altogether) from my diet.

I make a health shake each morning and need its milky-like consistency to wash down the several supplement pills I take.

I use cow milk as well as rice milk in making this shake but am looking for

something to use instead of the cow milk that will add some protein.

I have limited experience with

brown rice protein powder

a boxed hemp milky drink

and can't remember the one other thing.

They all tasted very bad so that I threw them away after one or two tries.

I do not need great taste but do need something that is only moderately bad tasting, and I definitely need a protein source because I am also very much limited my intake of meat because I cannot afford grass fed, free range meat purchase and am having "leaky gut" "food allergy" problems.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

[Celtic Rogue]

Almond milk is a popular milk substitute that is made by mixing finely ground almonds with water. Almond milk has a very high nutritional value and, unlike cow's milk, is safe for those who are lactose intolerant or have gluten and casein allergies. Here's how almond milk and cow's milk compare. Almond Milk and Its Origins Almond milk is made by mixing ground almonds with water and straining it to remove almond skins and sediment. Almond milk has been used since the Middle Ages as a substitute for cow's milk. Because cow's milk doesn't keep very long without refrigeration, medieval people processed it into butter and cheese right away to preserve it. They used almond milk in cooking and baking, since it's easier to store.
The Nutritional Value of Almond Milk Almond milk is one of the most nutritionally valuable milk substitutes available today. It is high in a number of vitamins and minerals, including vitamin E, manganese, magnesium, phosphorous, potassium, selenium, iron, fiber, zinc and calcium. Almond milk is low in calories, at only 40 calories per eight ounce serving, and low in fat. It contains only three grams of fat per eight ounce serving. Almond milk is lactose, gluten, casein and cholesterol free; it's also free of saturated fats.
The Nutritional Value of Cow's Milk Whole cow's milk is a very nutritious food. It's high in protein, with eight grams per serving. One eight ounce cup of milk meets 28% of your daily requirement of calcium, and fortified milk helps to fulfill your daily vitamin A and D requirements. However, whole milk is high in fat, with eight grams per serving, and saturated fat, with five grams per serving. Milk also contains 24 mg of cholesterol per serving, and contains 146 calories per serving.
Almond Milk and Cow's Milk Compared Compared to cow's milk, almond milk is the much healthier choice. Almond milk contains a wide variety of the vitamins and minerals that your body needs to function. Almond milk also contains high levels of antioxidants, so it can help prevent many types of cancer and slow the signs of aging. Almond milk is also great for those who can't drink cow's milk due to lactose intolerance, or a casein or gluten allergy; however, those with tree nut allergies should avoid almond milk because it could elicit a dangerous allergic reaction.
Whole cow's milk contains a lot more calories and fat than almond milk, making almond milk the better choice for those on a diet. Cow's milk also contains saturated fat and cholesterol; almond milk is free of both saturated fat and cholesterol, making it a healthier choice, especially for those with heart problems.
While cow's milk contains high levels of calcium, and is fortified with vitamins A and D to help you meet your daily requirements of these vitamins, almond milk contains high levels of a wide range of necessary vitamins and therefore has a higher nutritional value than cow's milk. The only thing that cow's milk has more of than almond milk is protein; cow's milk has eight grams of protein per serving while almond milk has only one gram per serving.

[PatColo]

why not throw in some protein powder? That'll thicken it up a bit too.

coconut milk? YUMM! :D

a year/whatever ago I'd have said soy milk, but have heard much since about the evils of soy; it's estrogenic and other problems I can't recall. There's thread somewhere around here discussing soy's prob's:

K.Albrecht on surviving breast cancer, more (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?77121-K-Albrecht-on-surviving-breast-cancer-more&highlight=estrogenic)


MEN: alt prostate cancer discussion on Spingola (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?69907-MEN-alt-prostate-cancer-discussion-on-Spingola&highlight=estrogenic)

[Shami-Amourae]

Why not raw though? I'm allergic to regular pasteurized milk and get a nasty reaction but no reaction to raw milk.

You can buy raw milk cheese and butter online too. It's not THAT bad. My local farmers market has raw milk for very cheap when its in season. If you can find a direct local source you can get it for cheaper (like direct from the farmer.)

This website will help you find raw milk in your area:
http://www.realmilk.com/real-milk-finder/



You can get affordable raw milk cheese here:
http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/meat-store/products/category/grass-fed-dairy

1 pound of cheese is basically equivalent to ½ gallon of milk, or 4 oz. to 2 cups.

Honestly I wouldn't use any substitute for milk. Use the real thing. Everything else is toxic to some degree.

Another option might be kefir, though I have allergic reactions to the stuff that isn't raw.

My point is milk IS NOT the problem. It's the pasturization process which messes it up and turns it toxic.

[Dachsie]

I am not "allergic to" dairy products and do not "have problems" ingesting them. It is just that I have heard that they produce a lot of mucous in your intestines / digestive system and they really are like casein/glue and keep digestive system from functioning optimally.

Also I have listened to a couple of shows of vegetarians lately and they list a whole big long list of problems with cows milk. Am undecided on some of those things.

I should try some raw milk but not sure that will stop the mucous problem.

I had one brief episode of allergy to almond butter recently that I made from whole organic almonds only. I need to test myself again on that before I try the almond milk. My food allergy problems are popping up here and there out of nowhere in a very erratic manner lately, and I think that is do to my leaky gut being recently further injured by taking one course of oral prenisone (steroid). So my "allergies" are not the typical kind of way food allergies show up in people but are very atypical in onset. I need to double test some foods that I have recently had reactions (mainly bad case of hives (urticaria) but sometimes the bad reaction with trachea swelling and eustacian tube swelling shut) to lately. I have had so many food reactions lately that there is getting to be a precious short list of foods I CAN eat without problems.

I really appreciate you ideas and responses. Will look into all of them. I am currently in the middle of seeing several different specialty M.D.s and it is total non-holistic confusion and chaos, so I am determined to seek out things I can do on my own for myself via dietary changes and supplements.

[Shami-Amourae]

Watch this Dachsie, it will explain the milk situation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ofQSGMkBFs

Vegetarians are retarded, sorry. Humans are omnivores. Humans have been consuming milk for thousands of years. It's totally safe and healthy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfsM_6zA95g

[Celtic Rogue]

Anything in moderation is fine. However we are not all alike and all have slightly different bodies and needs. There are many ways to get Calcium and Protein that are not dairy related if dairy is causing problems. There are some cultures of people that dont drink any dairy at all yet are all in great condition. I believe that cows milk is made for cows. And while we can drink it... we "can" also drink cows urine as they both contain some nutrition! I dont drink milk except for the odd chocolate milk, I do eat cheese, yogurt and sour cream.

[woodman]

As already said, almond milk is excellent in all regards and lasts forever in the fridge after opening. Can be stored in pantry if packed appropriately. Oat milk, rice milk, coconut milk, etc, all good. I have recently been finding cashew milk at Meijer. Cashew milk is my new all time favorite, at least until I find out how horrible it is. Seems like everything I like, I find out they are doing something truly evil to it and not telling the consumer.

[Dogman]

As already said, almond milk is excellent in all regards and lasts forever in the fridge after opening. Can be stored in pantry if packed appropriately. Oat milk, rice milk, coconut milk, etc, all good. I have recently been finding cashew milk at Meijer. Cashew milk is my new all time favorite, at least until I find out how horrible it is. Seems like everything I like, I find out they are doing something truly evil to it and not telling the consumer.

Evil to the consumer but very good for the companies share holders!


Wonder what drives what? ;)

[Glass]

the milk might be heavily reconstituted like it is here in Australia. All the milk is split into components and stored for up to 18 months. Then they reconstitute it and sell it as fresh milk.

I drink the regular full fat milk. I look for some that does not contain permeate which is one of the key constituents of the reconstituted milk. I don't have any particular problems. I use it for cereal and after I have exercised, as a fat burner. The whey in milk burns the fat when your metabolism is running at a high rate.

I don't go low fat on anything, so long as it is a real fat, not toxic stuff like canola. I don't go out of my way to eat a lot of it but I don't avoid it. Oil/Fat is a great for cleansing toxins. Remember Cod Liver oil. CLO was good for spiritual cleansing as well as biological. Drive those pesky lins (gob or grem) right out of a childs psyche.

I hear that Coke is getting into the Milk market. Now there's a product you'll want to consume.

[Shami-Amourae]

the milk might be heavily reconstituted like it is here in Australia. All the milk is split into components and stored for up to 18 months. Then they reconstitute it and sell it as fresh milk.

I drink the regular full fat milk. I look for some that does not contain permeate which is one of the key constituents of the reconstituted milk. I don't have any particular problems. I use it for cereal and after I have exercised, as a fat burner. The whey in milk burns the fat when your metabolism is running at a high rate.

I don't go low fat on anything, so long as it is a real fat, not toxic stuff like canola. I don't go out of my way to eat a lot of it but I don't avoid it. Oil/Fat is a great for cleansing toxins. Remember Cod Liver oil. CLO was good for spiritual cleansing as well as biological. Drive those pesky lins (gob or grem) right out of a childs psyche.

I hear that Coke is getting into the Milk market. Now there's a product you'll want to consume.

I'm really shocked food companies haven't gone with grass-fed milk. There's so much money there and people would buy it if they were educated on it I think.

The only explanation is that they don't want it since it might actually make people healthier.

[Glass]

I think all the milking cows here are grass fed so it's probably what we get by default.

there was some war going on here with Type A1 and A2 milks. Apparently A2 is better and comes from a smaller genetic group of cattle.

I think the government ordered all A2 cows to be destroyed from memory. Not 100% sure. I have seen some A2 around in the stores.

Most of our milk is now shipped by truck from NSW to Western Australia. A Journey of 5000kms and about 5 days - 1 week. So there is no such thing as fresh milk now. I have also noticed this in the time it takes to go off. The Use by date is now about 7 days on average and upto 10 days if you get it the day it hits the shelves.

I was regularly throwing some out. Now I have the cat not so much but I do notice the milk can go to yoghurt in a couple hours sitting in the bowl which is not right. It should be still milk even if a little curdled even after most of a day.

[Neuro]

Just do like Rocky and down a few raw eggs in the morning. Optimal source of protein, and plenty of vitamins and minerals, and it is cheap too!

[Hitch]

I buy grass fed "organic" milk, I hope it is.

The best milk alternative I've ever tried, is peanut milk. You can research this online. I tried it from a chinese dude's shop, Chang in SF, and it was honestly the best tasting milk I have ever tried.

Years later today, I never understand why peanut milk isn't on the shelf. I keep looking for it. They have almond milk, which tastes like crap, but peanuts are very good for our health.

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/may/17/business/fi-peanutmilk17

[Glass]

cant eat eggs unless I want to spend the day in agony. would like to know why because its a fairly recent thing. 4 or 5 years since it started being a problem.

[Shami-Amourae]

cant eat eggs unless I want to spend the day in agony. would like to know why because its a fairly recent thing. 4 or 5 years since it started being a problem.

It might be the shitty GMO eggs.

If you can get some home raised chicken eggs or from a legit farm (there aren't many) you should do better.

https://inwoodchiropractic.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/egg-yolk-color.jpg

The more orange the egg yolk the better.

Beware of anything that says "Vegetarian Fed" on an egg carton. Most "Organic" brands say this, so it's a good indication they aren't really organic. Chickens aren't herbivores, they are omnivores. They need protein (insects.)

I usually get the quality eggs at the Farmers Market when its in season. The problem is everyone else does this too and the lady who sells them sells out literally 30 minutes after the Farmers Market opens since people are so desperate for real eggs.

I have found some decent eggs at my grocery store, and they are the only "Organic" brand that is ACTUALLY organic. What a crazy thought.

http://vitalfarms.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/VF_HART-AE.jpg

Consider making an inventory of your "Organic" eggs at your local grocery store(s) and see what you can find. Remember, anything that's "Vegetarian Fed" is completely bullshit.

Here's a useful website that rates egg qualities:
http://www.cornucopia.org/organic-egg-scorecard/

The ones I eat are a 5 rating so you don't get much better than that. The flavor is amazing and you shouldn't get any negative reactions.

[Shami-Amourae]

I buy grass fed "organic" milk, I hope it is.

The best milk alternative I've ever tried, is peanut milk. You can research this online. I tried it from a chinese dude's shop, Chang in SF, and it was honestly the best tasting milk I have ever tried.

Years later today, I never understand why peanut milk isn't on the shelf. I keep looking for it. They have almond milk, which tastes like crap, but peanuts are very good for our health.

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/may/17/business/fi-peanutmilk17

The best brand of Raw Milk I found in Southern California was Organic Pastures. I found it regularly at Sprouts and Mothers. It tasted like Crème Anglaise (melted ice cream.)
http://www.goodwinsorganics.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Raw-Milk-.jpg

I remember it being like $16 a gallon though. It's probably more expensive now.
:(

[Glass]

I've been buying from a produce market and all I know is they are free range. Probably not real free range, doubt they would be organic. The only time I get egg now is if it's in something cooked food that I buy. A noodle or rice. avoid the fat noodles - egg noodle. You know its mega farm eggs. Sometimes I just gotta have it so take the good with the bad. thin noodle no egg so ok. prefer anyway so win win.

I think I should make an effort and head across town one day for the main produce market. They have it all, raw milks cheeses, all the fruit and veg, organics. Bit of a drive but I should check it out.

[Shami-Amourae]

I've been buying from a produce market and all I know is they are free range. Probably not real free range, doubt they would be organic. The only time I get egg now is if it's in something cooked food that I buy. A noodle or rice. avoid the fat noodles - egg noodle. You know its mega farm eggs. Sometimes I just gotta have it so take the good with the bad. thin noodle no egg so ok. prefer anyway so win win.

I think I should make an effort and head across town one day for the main produce market. They have it all, raw milks cheeses, all the fruit and veg, organics. Bit of a drive but I should check it out.

Please try to get some quality eggs and report your results. See if you still get the negative side effects like you said you've had for the past 4-5 years with eggs. Maybe print up that guide I linked you too and take it to the grocery store. You may luck out and find something good.

[Serpo]

I dont drink cows milk at all even though I used to milk a cow when I was a child.

Almond milk is and made from nuts.

The best is coconut cream from a can

[Dachsie]

I dont drink cows milk at all even though I used to milk a cow when I was a child.

Almond milk is and made from nuts.

The best is coconut cream from a can

Thanks,

Will try the almond milk.

I bought some hemp seeds and put in blender with water as recipe for hemp milk said. Then I strained it. It was a light green color and did not taste too bad though was really not good. I broke out with hives after drinking it so that was that. Jeff Rense says he mixes a batch of a smoothie kind of drink with hemp milk and other things and sips on it throughout the day and that is what he subsists on.

I am back to drinking organic cows milk but I have cut way down on it. Have gotten my leaky gut / hives problem pretty much under control now. I stopped drinking a big cup of coffee every morning so I think that helped a lot with heartburn probs.

Wish I could get more fresh organic raw veggies in me but I really have to force myself. I try to eat about one cup of raw spinach each day.

Am reading and learning about different supplements. Wish there were a forum here devoted to health and supplements and such.

The glutamine powder I put in breakfast smoothie was the most helpful to heal my gut but I am going to have to watch my diet the rest of my life. M.D.s are zero help on this problem.

[Glass]

Sounds like Rense is drinking a Bhang lassi or something similar. Does it include yoghurt I wonder. Lassi is nice but it's a summer drink mainly. India's equivalent of a long island iced tea.

Coconut milk is quite nice. It isn't as coconutty as dried or dessicated coconut is. Coconut water is the big rage down here at the moment. Basically the liquid contents of the coconut without any of the meat or cream included. Like you would get when they chop the top off one and stick a straw in it.

[Neuro]

Sounds like Rense is drinking a Bhang lassi or something similar. Does it include yoghurt I wonder. Lassi is nice but it's a summer drink mainly. India's equivalent of a long island iced tea.

Interesting. Bhang Lassi, is lassi made with Marijuana. I once met a Tasmanian in Calcutta who had a strong Bhang Lassi in Varanasi, he got stoned to the point where he realized that Airplanes were not invented yet, so he started planning for how to get back to Tasmania by boats. I think he was in Calculutta trying to find a steamboat going to Singapore... ;D This was back in '94 I wonder if he made it back?