the ultimate SHTF bugout property

[Hitch]

Check this place out. 666 acre hunting lodge with herds of exotic animals to hunt and eat, including bison. The whole property is fully fenced to keep the animals contained, and can house quite a few survivalists.

It is 2 million dollars though.

http://www.landwatch.com/Monterey-County-California-Farms-and-Ranches-for-sale/pid/200113414

[palani]

666 acre hunting lodge

Really? 666 Acres. Which zombie wouldn't make this his first stop in the apocalypse?

[Hitch]

Which zombie wouldn't make this his first stop in the apocalypse?

To answer your question, the zombie that doesn't want to be filled full of lead from hunting rifles.

This is a hunting lodge. Hunters have guns, lot's of them. There is plenty of meat to feed them as well. The zombies wouldn't have a chance.

[palani]

To answer your question, the zombie that doesn't want to be filled full of lead from hunting rifles.

This is a hunting lodge. Hunters have guns, lot's of them. There is plenty of meat to feed them as well. The zombies wouldn't have a chance.

In this area 600 acres would set you back a cool 7 million little buckeroos.

In California I imagine there is a fair amount of sand and no water associated with that property.

[Hitch]

In this area 600 acres would set you back a cool 7 million little buckeroos.

In California I imagine there is a fair amount of sand and no water associated with that property.

You OK, palani?

[palani]

You OK, palani?

You are right. Momentary insanity. I did talk to a guy in December who had sold 400 acres for 7 million little buckeroos.

Can you forgive me?

[Hitch]

Can you forgive me?

I forgive crazy. So, yes, I forgive you. Understand you? Heck no.

You make no sense at all.

[palani]

I forgive crazy. ...You make no sense at all.
Thanks. That is reassuring. If I made sense to someone wanting to spend two million on a pile of rock and sand I would be questioning my sanity.

[Hitch]

Thanks. That is reassuring. If I made sense to someone wanting to spend two million on a pile of rock and sand I would be questioning my sanity.

Why do you even post in a thread when you don't even look at the link? That's 666 acres of grazing land. People spend 2 mil on condos in CA. There's probably several hundred thousand dollars worth of animals on that land as well.

Anyway, I just thought that listing was pretty cool. Maybe I will win the lotto.

[palani]

There's probably several hundred thousand dollars worth of animals on that land as well.

Things that are worthwhile are never measured in dollars.

Do you understand that an entire world exists that is not engaged in commerce?

The commercial world is the one that is collapsing.

You don't escape that collapse by running away to anyplace that you can BUY!!!

[Hitch]

Things that are worthwhile are never measured in dollars.

Do you understand that an entire world exists that is not engaged in commerce?

Of course I understand, but do you understand such a world exists?

[Hitch]

You don't escape that collapse by running away to anyplace that you can BUY!!!

I'm going to explain what you seem to be missing. You BUY the place before the collapse. You prep it. Before the collapse you own it. After the collapse ownership is defined differently. You only own it then, if you can protect it and keep others from stealing it. That hunting lodge is currently set up to sleep many adults who, if smart about it, should be able to fight off the zombies in SHTF.

Right now, a gold coin is worth $1187. After the collapse it is worth zero dollars. It's worth what you can physically trade it for, beans, bullets, rice, etc.

Make sense now?

[Horn]

Really? 666 Acres. Which zombie wouldn't make this his first stop in the apocalypse?

That's an ad placed by the illumnati, for sacrificial bait.

Most likely your entire extended family will vanish at open house.

[palani]

do you understand such a world exists?

Didn't I just describe it to you?

[Hitch]

Didn't I just describe it to you?

You describe a post collapse world. We currently live in a pre collapse world. It's important to recognize both, because that's reality.

[palani]

I'm going to explain what you seem to be missing. You BUY .... You prep it. Before the collapse you own ... a gold coin is worth $1187. After the collapse it is worth zero dollars....

Yes. It is certainly clear now. To you redemption is anything you can buy, sell or trade.

You have become the Zombie you seek to avoid.

The dollar is your path to salvation.

[palani]

that's reality.

Reality is an illusion ... just more persistent.

[Hitch]

Yes. It is certainly clear now. To you redemption is anything you can buy, sell or trade.

You have become the Zombie you seek to avoid.

The dollar is your path to salvation.

People like you palani, the only way you will survive a collapse is to take things from others. You, will be the zombie.

Me, I plan to use my still worth something dollars to buy what I need to survive now, while it's available.

[palani]

the only way you will survive a collapse is to take things from others.

Your collapse is your illusion. If you cannot control your dreams you probably will not survive them.

[Hitch]

Your collapse is your illusion. If you cannot control your dreams you probably will not survive them.

Your world is an illusion, palani. A dream is a goal, a passion, something to work towards. It's about going out and making it happen.

If your dreams are illusions, you will go nowhere.

[Horn]

Your collapse is your illusion. If you cannot control your dreams you probably will not survive them.

U could always purchase a sparkling piece of survivor property, put it on the market well under value,

then eat the people that show up to purchase it. or would that be too controlling?

[palani]

Your world is an illusion
You are the one constructing a stage where your survival is paramount. You are acting out stories you heard as a child.

http://ahistoryofnewyork.com/Under_the_Gaslight-Poster-cepia-Resized.jpg

[palani]

eat the people that show up to purchase it

You mean Craigslist?

[Hitch]

You are the one constructing a stage where your survival is paramount. You are acting out stories you heard as a child.

http://ahistoryofnewyork.com/Under_the_Gaslight-Poster-cepia-Resized.jpg

Trying to discuss anything with you, is like dealing with an annoying child. Like this BS post. It means nothing to me, has no value.

[gunDriller]

Why do you even post in a thread when you don't even look at the link? That's 666 acres of grazing land. People spend 2 mil on condos in CA. There's probably several hundred thousand dollars worth of animals on that land as well.

Anyway, I just thought that listing was pretty cool. Maybe I will win the lotto.

That is a nice area, mid coastal California, geographically.

It's like a desert 30 miles inland, but that coast area gets the fog. Santa Maria ... oh yes, they
have great whites too.

666 acres for that price seems like a fantastic deal.


is there a catch besides it being in a high tax over-populated 2nd-Amendment-less EXTREMELY water-poor state that depends on farming (among other things) ?

... how else will the Jews get their tax breaks ?

[palani]

It means nothing to me, has no value.

Now you are seeing the end picture. NOTHING has any value.

[Dogman]

It's a personal perception !

;)

[Horn]

It is 2 million dollars though.

Face it, Hitch.

If u had that kind of dough, the only persons opinion (onboard) that would matter to you is Ponce's. As he would have the remaining tp you needed to stay in business after purchasing.

If i had that amount to drop it would be somewhere more near the equator, and away from any other sovereign soil.

[Dogman]

Face it, Hitch.

If u had that kind of dough, the only persons opinion (onboard) that would matter to you is Ponce's. As he would have the remaining tp you needed to stay in business after purchasing.

If i had that amount to drop it would be somewhere more near the equator, and away from any other sovereign soil. You make a very fine point, easier to acclimate oneself to heat than to cold. .

ImHo

[Hitch]

is there a catch besides it being in a high tax over-populated 2nd-Amendment-less EXTREMELY water-poor state that depends on farming (among other things) ?



I've been thinking, maybe the property has water issues with the drought. Maybe there's not enough water to keep the herds of animals healthy, and the current owner just wants out. Perhaps the current owner is going to move to Idaho?

[Hitch]

Face it, Hitch.

If u had that kind of dough, the only persons opinion (onboard) that would matter to you is Ponce's. As he would have the remaining tp you needed to stay in business after purchasing.

If i had that amount to drop it would be somewhere more near the equator, and away from any other sovereign soil.


You do have good points. The only way I would end up with 2 mil is if I won the lotto, that's for sure. Maybe I'll look at Costa Rica. We could be neighbors. :) We could visit, relax with a rum drink, and discuss the latest palani post.

[palani]

You do have good points. The only way I would end up with 2 mil is if I won the lotto,.... We could visit, relax with a rum drink, and discuss the latest palani post.

You are bound and determined not to GET it!!!

Possession is, as it were, the position of the FOOT!!!

You buy dreams.

You might believe that Ted Turner owns half of Wyoming too or the Pope owns the world. Let THEM have their dreams but I wear size 11 shoes.

[Hitch]

You are bound and determined not to GET it!!!

Possession is, as it were, the position of the FOOT!!!

You buy dreams.

You might believe that Ted Turner owns half of Wyoming too or the Pope owns the world. Let THEM have their dreams but I wear size 11 shoes.

Palani, you don't buy dreams, you build them. Say, you had 2 million FRN's, say you wanted to start up a hunting lodge business. That's your dream. You "buy" the property, or as we should say, purchase the right to use it in our current system. You still have to get out there hunting, get out there getting clients and customers...

That goes the same for Ted Turner, or anyone.

Or, you could sit around doing nothing (which is what I wonder if you are doing?)

[palani]

you don't buy dreams, you build them

Adieu! adieu! thy plaintive anthem fades
Past the near meadows, over the still stream,
Up the hill-side; and now 'tis buried deep
In the next valley-glades:
Was it a vision, or a waking dream?
Fled is that music:--Do I wake or sleep?

[Keats, "Ode to a Nightingale"]

[Hitch]

Adieu! adieu! thy plaintive anthem fades
Past the near meadows, over the still stream,
Up the hill-side; and now 'tis buried deep
In the next valley-glades:
Was it a vision, or a waking dream?
Fled is that music:--Do I wake or sleep?

[Keats, "Ode to a Nightingale"]

Palani, where do you want to go in life? What do you do? It sounds like you've written off any goals and aspirations given our current corrupt system.

My advise to you, there's no point in sitting around stewing on things you can not control. Seek God for direction. There's a path in life you should be on, and for some reason...I don't think you are on it. I hope I'm wrong.

[palani]

there's no point in sitting around stewing on things you can not control.
Very true. But then who is to say I am not correct in controlling what I might? And have I not informed you of what I control and what I know is beyond my control? The pen, having written, moves on yet you are suggesting an eraser and start from scratch.

People who dabble in the bankrupt commercial plane don't really own much of anything. An entire new vista of opportunities arise when the bankrupt plane is left for more greener pastures.

[Hitch]

And have I not informed you of what I control and what I know is beyond my control?

No you have not. You, same as me, or anyone, need shelter to survive. You need food, to survive. You tell me not to BUY something that is critical to my survival. Whether it's a 2 mil hunting retreat, or my old boat (which I love). The price for the transaction, yes in FRNs, is what allows me to survive.

No, you have not informed me of any of these things on how you survive, things that are basic needs.

[palani]

The price for the transaction... is what allows me to survive.

You don't have any need for the PRICE. You have a need for the THING. A bit short sighted to believe that involving yourself in a quasi-purchase is the only way to obtain your goal.

[Horn]

We could visit, relax with a rum drink, and discuss the latest palani post.

then in 20yrs. we could go pick up his freeze dried carcass in Iowa, and reconstitute it in the Mexican sun. Like a Russian Mastodon

palani is an enigma that will not perish. :)

[Hitch]

then in 20yrs. we could go pick up his freeze dried carcass in Iowa, and reconstitute it in the Mexican sun. Like a Russian Mastodon

palani is an enigma that will not perish. :)

You could spend a lifetime discussing palanism's and still scratch your head.

He will live on much beyond his frozen carcass. :)

[Hitch]

You don't have any need for the PRICE. You have a need for the THING. A bit short sighted to believe that involving yourself in a quasi-purchase is the only way to obtain your goal.

WTF are you talking about? You said 2 mil for this property was crazy, but now price doesn't matter? You need to understand a term most of us logical folks relate too: consistency. You are not consistent in any of your posts. Don't buy something....you don't need a price now....you need a thing, but don't acquire that thing...because you have to buy it.

I give up.

[Dogman]

Some times it is good to disengage from a topic of discussion, when real life and practical points that maybe helpful are ignored! Some here live in a theoretical world that have been tried in the past and failed and would never gain any traction in today's real life times of getting by! But are popular with maybe one half of one percent of the population!



;)

[palani]

You said 2 mil for this property was crazy, but now price doesn't matter?
What are you buying for 2 mil that you need? You cannot buy the property for any price so what are you actually buying? What does the previous guy own that he is willing to part with for 2 mil? What is the value of what he has a right to sell?



Don't buy something....you don't need a price now....you need a thing, but don't acquire that thing...because you have to buy it. Show me a law that states that you have to buy anything. I generally take what I need but then I have people to take care of accounts.

[ximmy]

http://images.secondspace.com/p/SUP/E8/D9/86/F3/60/D5XL_58.jpg

a bargan at 2 mil.

Or some crap pasadena house on a small lot for $800,000.00

[Hitch]

Show me a law that states that you have to buy anything. I generally take what I need but then I have people to take care of accounts.

Penal Code 602. Trespassing. If you want to use that hunting lodge, you have to buy it or get the owner's consent to be on the property.

Penal Codes 484 and 488. Petty Theft. The crime of theft in California law is defined as the unlawful taking of someone else's property.

http://www.shouselaw.com/trespass.html

http://www.shouselaw.com/petty-theft.html

[palani]

Penal Code 602. Trespassing. If you want to use that hunting lodge, you have to buy it or get the owner's consent to be on the property.

Penal Codes 484 and 488. Petty Theft. The crime of theft in California law is defined as the unlawful taking of someone else's property.

http://www.shouselaw.com/trespass.html

http://www.shouselaw.com/petty-theft.html


Common law.

Adverse possession.

Besides, if the guy is asking for $2 mil FRNs then he is part of the bankruptcy and the receivers are the owners ... just awaiting liquidation ... the same as anyone who buys it.

[Hitch]

Common law.

Adverse possession.

That is stealing. You are taking another man's possessions away. Ethically it's wrong, you are harming another person doing that.

You've been so lost your ethics are gone as well.

[palani]

Ethically it's wrong, you are harming another person doing that.

Only someone occupying the same bankrupt plane is going to pull this 'ethics' crap. Look .. you cannot own anything when you are bankrupt. Why would you presume that everyone is bankrupt and must play by the same rules that made YOU bankrupt?

Everything that has a beginning has an ending. You are trying to construct your own castles on somewhat faulty foundations left behind. Don't expect it to work out well for you.

[Hitch]

Everything that has a beginning has an ending. You are trying to construct your own castles on somewhat faulty foundations left behind. Don't expect it to work out well for you.

You are trying to justify taking things from other people, things you haven't worked for.

You are an unethical person. Regardless of any "law" you pull out of your ass. Your basis of property rights comes down to this: taking from others.

If things don't work out well for me, fine. I'm OK with that. I'll go on in peace knowing I've made the right decisions in life.

Can you say the same?

[palani]

Your basis of property rights comes down to this: taking from others.

Isn't that YOUR idea? YOU are the one considering giving someone two million Federal Reserve Notes that you don't have and that you cannot possibly earn from a square mile of dust and sand.

You are either disingenuous or genuinely education deprived. Could be both.

[Hitch]

Isn't that YOUR idea? YOU are the one considering giving someone two million Federal Reserve Notes that you don't have and that you cannot possibly earn from a square mile of dust and sand.

You are either disingenuous or genuinely education deprived. Could be both.

Bottom line: You are a taker. Other people work, you take from them.

Prove me wrong. I challenge you.

[palani]

You are a taker. You are hung up on a delusion. The delusion is that you may buy your survival.

Hope you wake up soon.