Flat Earthers Won't Go Away

[Neuro]

Real world observations - well worth your time and attention:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXqb9Qykq3k

The flatness is from the software putting together photos that were taken at the same angle in relation to earths gravitational center. It’s similar but opposite to how flat earthers (correctly) dismiss photos taken from the ISS panorama lens that “bends” the image and thus exaggerates earths curvature.

[Neuro]

Real world observations - well worth your time and attention:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyCEGirxYag

Fascinating how the Rocky Mountains were situated right at the horizon line some 400 miles away. Also fascinating how the horizon line seems to get further away with increased altitude. Also distance viewable with the eye... Is there something physiologically that happens with the human eye with increased altitude that makes it stronger Mamboni?

[mamboni]

According to the Earth Curve Calculator, at 35,000 and a target distance of 760 miles, the horizon would be at 230 miles. Any object after that should be hidden as the earth curves away from you and the target at 760 miles would have to be 187000 feet high to be seen; in other words 72 miles below the horizon line.

This video proves that the earth is flat. Deniers of flat earth are willfully self-deluded fools.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4ILdFaueLg&list=UUqjHW3sIVWspvEw9yRW_Hcw& index=17

[mamboni]

The horizon stays at eye level no matter how high one flies above the earth - proof of a flat plane.

Mississippi River, Great Lakes, and Hudson Bay at 1200 mi in Infrared 1080p.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hobnOTKIjWE&list=UUqjHW3sIVWspvEw9yRW_Hcw& index=20

[Neuro]

According to the Earth Curve Calculator, at 35,000 and a target distance of 760 miles, the horizon would be at 230 miles. Any object after that should be hidden as the earth curves away from you and the target at 760 miles would have to be 187000 feet high to be seen; in other words 72 miles below the horizon line.

This video proves that the earth is flat. Deniers of flat earth are willfully self-deluded fools.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4ILdFaueLg&list=UUqjHW3sIVWspvEw9yRW_Hcw& index=17

LOL even IF earth was flat you wouldn’t be able to see the gulf of Baja. There would be mountains closer to it that would obscure the view. Sierra Madre Occidental. I would venture to guess he managed to zoom in on 2 closer mountain ranges with a bit of lower cloud cover in between. Sure you could continue to believe in this mans ridiculous claims supported by a camcorder if it makes you happier. Or better yet, why not take a flight across Antarctica and photograph the EDGE. That would really convince us foolish non-believers.

[Bigjon]

According to the Earth Curve Calculator, at 35,000 and a target distance of 760 miles, the horizon would be at 230 miles. Any object after that should be hidden as the earth curves away from you and the target at 760 miles would have to be 187000 feet high to be seen; in other words 72 miles below the horizon line.

This video proves that the earth is flat. Deniers of flat earth are willfully self-deluded fools.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4ILdFaueLg&list=UUqjHW3sIVWspvEw9yRW_Hcw& index=17

Well gravitational lensing is a known quantity. I don't know how much, but the astroscience folks use it to find the distance of stars.
So any light that follows the the tangent plane is going to be bent by a certain amount. Which translates into the why you can see around the corner of the tangent plain.

[mamboni]

LOL even IF earth was flat you wouldn’t be able to see the gulf of Baja. There would be mountains closer to it that would obscure the view.What mountains? Please name them.

[mamboni]

Well gravitational lensing is a known quantity. I don't know how much, but the astroscience folks use it to find the distance of stars.
So any light that follows the the tangent plane is going to be bent by a certain amount. Which translates into the why you can see around the corner of the tangent plain.Gravitational lensing? This is utter nonsense.

[Bigjon]

Gravitational lensing? This is utter nonsense.

Sorry, but flat earthers are just ignorant.

Henry Cavendish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Cavendish) in 1784 (in an unpublished manuscript) and Johann Georg von Soldner (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Georg_von_Soldner) in 1801 (published in 1804) had pointed out that Newtonian gravity predicts that starlight will bend around a massive object[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens#cite_note-12) as had already been supposed by Isaac Newton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton) in 1704 in his Queries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Queries) No.1 in his book Opticks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opticks).[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens#cite_note-Opticks-13) The same value as Soldner's was calculated by Einstein in 1911 based on the equivalence principle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivalence_principle) alone.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens#cite_note-Schneider,_Peter;_Ehlers,_J%C3%BCrgen;_Falco,_Emil io_E._1992-8) However, Einstein noted in 1915, in the process of completing general relativity, that his (and thus Soldner's) 1911-result is only half of the correct value. Einstein became the first to calculate the correct value for light bending.[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens#cite_note-14)
The first observation of light deflection was performed by noting the change in position of stars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star) as they passed near the Sun on the celestial sphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_sphere). The observations were performed in 1919 by Arthur Eddington (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Arthur_Eddington), Frank Watson Dyson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Watson_Dyson), and their collaborators during the total solar eclipse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse) on May 29 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_May_29,_1919).[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens#cite_note-15) The solar eclipse allowed the stars near the Sun to be observed. Observations were made simultaneously in the cities of Sobral, Ceará (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobral,_Cear%C3%A1), Brazil and in São Tomé and Príncipe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Tom%C3%A9_and_Pr%C3%ADncipe) on the west coast of Africa.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens#cite_note-16) The observations demonstrated that the light from stars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star) passing close to the Sun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun) was slightly bent, so that stars appeared slightly out of position.[ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens#cite_note-17)

[Jewboo]

The horizon stays at eye level no matter how high one flies above the earth - proof of a flat plane.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHtvDA0W34I

Clearly appears to be a globe at the 0:50 second mark.

[midnight rambler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHtvDA0W34I

Clearly appears to be a globe at the 0:50 second mark.



Fisheye lens, book, FISHEYE LENS!!!

[Jewboo]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/53c358b6e4b01b8adb4d5870/1473731737480-3326DIRZEWFZ1ZLWJ1DN/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kC3arr09YuxJgD1Ue7DMGeMUqsxRUq qbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8PaoYXhp6HxIwZIk 7-Mi3Tsic-L2IOPH3Dwrhl-Ne3Z2-M5mtdDwtkv0LWNdDXbCLSQhiCqIZBUVk9TKa1e6awVm0nepH0b YFh4DTA4Bp5g2/TSE2017_Idaho


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMDpgE0X24E


:) Explain this Mamboni. I witnessed it with my own eyes.


https://img.youtube.com/vi/0KLd-W--ZjQ/0.jpg



Deniers of flat earth are willfully self-deluded fools.

[Neuro]

What mountains? Please name them.

I did. A guy claims to be able to observe more than a thousand miles from an airplane with a filter on a camcorder and some enhancing software and you will not even question his claims, but considers them unquestionable proof of a flat earth, and anyone who doesn’t agree is a “self-deluded fool“? Well if you can photograph at that distance from an airplane taking photos of the edge should be easy on an Antarctic flight. Qantas do them between December and February, why don’t you go and prove once and for all that earth is flat? Put your money where your mouth is...

[mamboni]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.umanitoba.ca%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2FiStock_00001901235 5Medium-1200x898.jpg&f=1&nofb=1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQrhl7KJ0m4

[mamboni]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHtvDA0W34I

Clearly appears to be a globe at the 0:50 second mark.

Notice the view of the horizon, its height and shape when viewed from inside the capsule, at the 1:30 mark.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmondrian.mashable.com%2Fwp-content%25252Fgallery%25252Fsupersonic-freefall-from-space%25252Fscreenshot0270.jpg%25252Ffit-in__850x850.jpg%3Fsignature%3DrvyFxE0sgI7zptHp-utk-YM4Tzs%3D%26source%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fmashable. com&f=1&nofb=1

[Jewboo]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/53c358b6e4b01b8adb4d5870/1473731737480-3326DIRZEWFZ1ZLWJ1DN/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kC3arr09YuxJgD1Ue7DMGeMUqsxRUq qbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8PaoYXhp6HxIwZIk 7-Mi3Tsic-L2IOPH3Dwrhl-Ne3Z2-M5mtdDwtkv0LWNdDXbCLSQhiCqIZBUVk9TKa1e6awVm0nepH0b YFh4DTA4Bp5g2/TSE2017_Idaho


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMDpgE0X24E


:) Explain this Mamboni. I witnessed it with my own eyes.


https://img.youtube.com/vi/0KLd-W--ZjQ/0.jpg <-- Mamboni's sun and moon



Explain this Mamboni.

:)

[Jewboo]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/53c358b6e4b01b8adb4d5870/1473731737480-3326DIRZEWFZ1ZLWJ1DN/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kC3arr09YuxJgD1Ue7DMGeMUqsxRUq qbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8PaoYXhp6HxIwZIk 7-Mi3Tsic-L2IOPH3Dwrhl-Ne3Z2-M5mtdDwtkv0LWNdDXbCLSQhiCqIZBUVk9TKa1e6awVm0nepH0b YFh4DTA4Bp5g2/TSE2017_Idaho


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMDpgE0X24E


:) Explain this Mamboni. I witnessed it with my own eyes.


https://img.youtube.com/vi/0KLd-W--ZjQ/0.jpg

Bump. Flat Earthers refuse to explain the above and instead distract us with questions like: "Why do asteroids always land in craters?".

:)

[StreetsOfGold]

I saw with my own eyes at about noontime one day not too long ago BOTH the sun AND moon in the sky, they were BOTH very close to each other and the moon was crescent.
I asked an older guy nearby (70's) how can that moon in the sky have the "shadow" of the earth casting on it from the sun when the sun is right there almost next to the moon and the earth is supposedly casting that shadow on that moon??

He said "humm I never THOUGHT about that?

Touche!

Most people do not think, they believe what hellywood and NASA show and tell them like dumb downed cows, they lick up their slop like cows licking up black strap molasses

[Jewboo]

I saw with my own eyes...




Merry Christmas SOG. (https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1541167418183.png)

:)

[woodman]

I saw with my own eyes at about noontime one day not too long ago BOTH the sun AND moon in the sky, they were BOTH very close to each other and the moon was crescent.
I asked an older guy nearby (70's) how can that moon in the sky have the "shadow" of the earth casting on it from the sun when the sun is right there almost next to the moon and the earth is supposedly casting that shadow on that moon??

He said "humm I never THOUGHT about that?

Touche!

Most people do not think, they believe what hellywood and NASA show and tell them like dumb downed cows, they lick up their slop like cows licking up black strap molasses


From your post: "the moon was crescent.
how can that moon in the sky have the "shadow" of the earth casting on it from the sun"

Sorry bro but the crescent moon does not derive it's shape from a shadow, but because the sun is shining at an angle and not lighting the whole of the orb that we see.

This is why we can often see that part of the moon that is not lit up, but dimly.

[mamboni]

Explain this Mamboni.

:)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFlgILUebow

[Jewboo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFlgILUebow

Nowhere in this 5 minute video does he explain HOW the light of the sun was blocked during that August 21, 2017 Solar Eclipse.

WHAT blocked the light Mamboni? Simply in your own words...

:)

[Bigjon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFlgILUebow


Nice vid, but how does it work if it is flat. The guy makes the claim and leaves the explanation of the how as a big mystery. Or that flat earther's know it happens, but they don't know how it happens.

Another flat earther I dunno moment.

I would say that when both are visible it has to do with that gravitational lens which bends light in a uniform way, showing images in places where they are really behind the curve of the earth.

Best example I have of objects appearing where they are not is try spearing fish in a lake. If you aim where you see the fish your chances of eating fish are zero, unless you are near vertical to the plane of the water. At any angle to the plane you will starve.

[Neuro]

Yes, just one thing Bigjon it isn’t gravitational lens, it’s atmospheric lensing where the thicker/different moisture air closer to earths surface refracts the light different from air at higher altitudes. There is gravitational lensing, but it is to small to be relevant at earths relatively minute gravitational field.

[Neuro]

Nowhere in this 5 minute video does he explain HOW the light of the sun was blocked during that August 21, 2017 Solar Eclipse.

WHAT blocked the light Mamboni? Simply in your own words...

:)

Hmm yes it’s mental laziness on Mamboni’s behalf to post a video which claims to prove earths flatness and lunar/solar eclipses from that perspective and doesn’t. Mamboni used to be sharp as a razor, even when “wrong”... What happened to him?

[osoab]

Nowhere in this 5 minute video does he explain HOW the light of the sun was blocked during that August 21, 2017 Solar Eclipse.

WHAT blocked the light Mamboni? Simply in your own words...

:)

Rahu

[Bigjon]

Yes, just one thing Bigjon it isn’t gravitational lens, it’s atmospheric lensing where the thicker/different moisture air closer to earths surface refracts the light different from air at higher altitudes. There is gravitational lensing, but it is to small to be relevant at earths relatively minute gravitational field.


Wrong.
The light passing through the atmosphere would all be at an equal air pressure level.
Well I suppose it is possible for the atmosphere to bend the light.

It is a gravitational lens.

All the observed gravitational lensing is by using objects as far away as the sun, where admittedly the effect is small. The object observed a distant star from a distant observation point is much different from an observer at ground level of a not very distant object.

I don't know of any proof for your claim. My claim is the effect is large when the observer is at ground level as gravitational forces decrease as distance squared so the closer you are to the earth the greater the force.


One of the most remarkable predictions of Einstein (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Albert-Einstein)’s theory of general relativity (https://www.britannica.com/science/general-relativity) is that gravity (https://www.britannica.com/science/gravity-physics) bends light (https://www.britannica.com/science/light). That effect was first demonstrated during a total solar eclipse (https://www.britannica.com/science/eclipse) in 1919, when the positions of stars (https://www.britannica.com/science/star-astronomy) near the Sun (https://www.britannica.com/place/Sun) were observed to be slightly shifted from their usual positions—an effect due to the pull of the Sun’s gravity as the stars’ light passed close to the Sun. In the 1930s Einstein predicted that a mass distribution, such as a galaxy (https://www.britannica.com/science/galaxy), could act as a gravitational “lens,” not only bending light but also distorting images of objects lying beyond the gravitating mass. If some object is behind a

[Jewboo]

[ (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html)1 (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html#1a)] Greatest Eclipse is the instant when the distance between the Moon's shadow axis and Earth's center reaches a minimum.
(https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html)
(https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html)[ (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html)2 (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html#2a)] Hybrid eclipses are also known as annular/total eclipses. Such an eclipse is both total and annular along different sections of its umbral path.
(https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html)
(https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html)[ (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html)3 (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html#3a)] Eclipse magnitude is the fraction of the Sun's diameter obscured by the Moon. For annular eclipses, the eclipse magnitude is always less than 1. For total eclipses, the eclipse magnitude is always greater than or equal to 1. For both annular and total eclipses, the value listed is actually the ratio of diameters between the Moon and the Sun.
(https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html)
(https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html)[ (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html)4 (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html#4a)] Central Duration is the duration of a total or annular eclipse at Greatest Eclipse. Greatest Eclipse is the instant when the axis of the Moon's shadow passes closest to Earth's center.
(https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html)
(https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html)[ (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html)5 (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html#5a)] Geographic Region of Eclipse Visibility is the portion of Earth's surface where a partial eclipse can be seen. The central path of a total or annular eclipse covers a much smaller region of Earth and is described in brackets []. (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html)

:)

[woodman]

Mamboni used to be sharp as a razor, even when “wrong”... What happened to him?
I have wondered the same thing for some time now.

[Neuro]

I am in Goa South India celebrating Christmas and New Year. I brought my telescope to which I taped on a solar filter, and a mobile phone adapter so that I could take photos of the partial solar eclipse, up to about 85% of solar disc was covered by the moon, and I got some nice photos from my setup which I can’t share here unfortunately. The tides were unusually large today, which they tend to be when sun and moon are aligned with earth.

Bigjon your gravitational lensing theory as applied to earths gravity is just plain silly, even if applied to as if photons were a particle of mass, which is probably not correct it would have a ridiculously small effect as light travels at 300 million meters a second and earths gravity at surface is 10m/s2. Even if earths gravity was maintained at ground level to the moon you wouldn’t see a drop of more than 15 feet.

Your theory would only work if Earth was a black hole and we are living on the event horizon. Paradoxically that would appear as if earths surface was totally flat to the observer on the surface, but from a distance an observer would see the earth as a globular black hole from which no light escapes. LOL!

Personally I don’t think black holes exist either. It is a fantastic fantasy trying to explain effects seen in the Universe, better explained by the electric universe theory!

[Bigjon]

I am in Goa South India celebrating Christmas and New Year. I brought my telescope to which I taped on a solar filter, and a mobile phone adapter so that I could take photos of the partial solar eclipse, up to about 85% of solar disc was covered by the moon, and I got some nice photos from my setup which I can’t share here unfortunately. The tides were unusually large today, which they tend to be when sun and moon are aligned with earth.

Bigjon your gravitational lensing theory as applied to earths gravity is just plain silly, even if applied to as if photons were a particle of mass, which is probably not correct it would have a ridiculously small effect as light travels at 300 million meters a second and earths gravity at surface is 10m/s2. Even if earths gravity was maintained at ground level to the moon you wouldn’t see a drop of more than 15 feet.

Your theory would only work if Earth was a black hole and we are living on the event horizon. Paradoxically that would appear as if earths surface was totally flat to the observer on the surface, but from a distance an observer would see the earth as a globular black hole from which no light escapes. LOL!

Personally I don’t think black holes exist either. It is a fantastic fantasy trying to explain effects seen in the Universe, better explained by the electric universe theory!

Silly!

Silly you.

What is gravity?

What is aether?

What is the medium that carries light?

When you have all those answers please get back to me.

[Neuro]

Silly!

Silly you.

What is gravity?

What is aether?

What is the medium that carries light?

When you have all those answers please get back to me.

Doesn’t really matter what the answer to those questions are according to all experimental evidence earths gravity doesn’t bend light to any significant degree, which you claim it does.

[Bigjon]

Doesn’t really matter what the answer to those questions are according to all experimental evidence earths gravity doesn’t bend light to any significant degree, which you claim it does.


You don't know that.

You don't know what the aether is. You don't know what properties the medium has. It could have variable density which would lead to light bending while passing through it.

Until you know what it is you are just shooting in the dark.

[Jewboo]

Silly!

Silly you.

What is gravity?

What is aether?

What is the medium that carries light?

When you have all those answers please get back to me.

Neuro just happens to be the most LUCID (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/lucid) member here at GSUS. You on the other hand...

:D LOL

[Bigjon]

Neuro just happens to be the most LUCID (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/lucid) member here at GSUS. You on the other hand...

:D LOL


Neuro is your sock puppet that you pull out for support of your loony positions.

You are a tag team of 1.

[midnight rambler]

Neuro is your sock puppet that you pull out for support of your loony positions.

You are a tag team of 1.

This post exemplifies how twisted and confused a forum member can be. lol

[Bigjon]

This post exemplifies how twisted and confused a forum member can be. lol


Simpleton; too.

Wow, another bookie sock puppet.

Tag team of 1.

[osoab]

Neuro is your sock puppet that you pull out for support of your loony positions.

You are a tag team of 1.

So this place is one big larp for each of us?

[Bigjon]

So this place is one big larp for each of us?


What's a larp?

[midnight rambler]

Ask Anna von Fullashit. According to you she has all the answers.

[Bigjon]

Ask Anna von Fullashit. According to you she has all the answers.

Where did i say that simpleton?

[Neuro]

You don't know that.

You don't know what the aether is. You don't know what properties the medium has. It could have variable density which would lead to light bending while passing through it.

Until you know what it is you are just shooting in the dark.

Not really, there is no evidence whatsoever that earths gravity bends light to any significant degree where it is practically observable on earth (I read that the mass of earth might bend a light less than a millionth degree passing by the surface of earth going into space, any extra bending is due to atmospheric lensing (which is around 0.5°)). Remember how a lense look like thick in the middle thin towards the edge (just like atmosphere). You on the other hand throw in Aether as a variable, which I am sure you don’t have any valid supported description of. Talking about shooting in the dark.

[Neuro]

Neuro is your sock puppet that you pull out for support of your loony positions.

You are a tag team of 1.

Seriously are you out of your mind? pulling that out after almost 10 years at this place. Even though Jewboo and I and midnight rambler agree on a lot we have had many hard disagreements in the past.

[Jewboo]

I am in Goa South India celebrating Christmas and New Year.

What about your loving European Union Community (https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1447910649057.jpg) who will miss your local holiday spending?

:)

[Neuro]

What about your loving European Union Community (https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1447910649057.jpg) who will miss your local holiday spending?

:)

Right, now I feel really bad! ;)

[Jewboo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvAk9718Jo8

(:;)

[midnight rambler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvAk9718Jo8

(:;)



I want my 4 minutes and 40 seconds back!

[osoab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvAk9718Jo8

(:;)



So that's what Dave Mustaine is doing in his spare time?

[Jewboo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxhxL1LzKww
How Much of the Earth Can You See at Once?

:o

[Jewboo]

I've been seeing this stupid Flat Earth conspiracy theory...Thoughts?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLPPE3_DVCw

Maybe this negro can bring common sense to our last GSUS holdout.

:)

[PatColo]

I know I posted that Max Igan audio here hundreds of replies back somewhere; but since most prolly didn't listen-- the best line which stuck with me re BE/FE was, paraphrasing,

I don't care if the prison is round, flat, cubical, pyramidal, etc... I only care that it's a prison; and remedying that fact is the only place I'm interested on directing my energy!

Aaaand right as Max Igan was becoming a central truther re Australia's current Agenda2030 fires (https://www.youtube.com/user/thecrowhouse/videos), he comes out with this...

6 second version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_TfJGkl8AY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_TfJGkl8AY


46 min version, I'm ~15m into it now:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2XctKWOO1pI/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEZCNACELwBSFXyq4qpAwsIARUAAIhCGAFwAQ==&rs=AOn4CLAPKkOgHKRI8FMbcwM8FIpQ8hEf4Q
46:30 NOW PLAYING
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XctKWOO1pI)The Truth Whether You Like it Or Not (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XctKWOO1pI)
43K views
13 hours ago

[PatColo]

^ anyone watch Max above? He since deleted them, and now I see he's posted this saying he was targeted by some EMF or something; 9 mins:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Um4uSmTaIY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Um4uSmTaIY


his prior 3 vids:

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12:46
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(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFPng-7ZaXo)What's Really Happening With the Australian Fires (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFPng-7ZaXo)
43K views
4 days ago



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38:39 NOW PLAYING

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64tpPF2xaTo)The Truth Trap (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64tpPF2xaTo)
68K views
4 days ago



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(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUvVNKeGuEM)Australian Fire Series Part 6: Directed Energy Weapons The Importance of Critical Examination (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUvVNKeGuEM)
55K views
1 week ago

[Jewboo]

^ anyone watch Max above? He since deleted them, and now I see he's posted this saying he was targeted by some EMF or something


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTqk2qxoZnk

Max will be yanked off Jewtube very soon for old videos like this short clip.

:D

[PatColo]

Vinny Eastwood -- @ 2 hours I haven't listened, not sure if I will, maybe sample thru it?


2:00:09 NOW PLAYING
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh4-CcsaM2A)Update on Max Igan, I had an off air chat with Max and let everyone know about it here! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh4-CcsaM2A)
3.8K views
1 day ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh4-CcsaM2A

[PatColo]

RIP Mike. :'(

< 1 min:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fABx2jZZrNg&amp;feature=emb_title

[osoab]

Mad Mike was not a flat earther.

He took some anti-flat earther money to put flat earth on one of his first rocket trials.

See this Globebusters episode from yesterday.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZCf3Nsmjlo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZCf3Nsmjlo

[PatColo]

Russ Winter


The Strange Case and “Death” of ‘Flat Earther’ Mad Mike Hughes: Psycho or Psyop?
(https://www.winterwatch.net/2020/02/the-strange-case-of-flat-earther-mad-mike-hughes-psycho-or-psyop/)
February 24, 2020 (https://www.winterwatch.net/2020/02/) Russ Winter (https://www.winterwatch.net/author/russ-winter/) Articles by Russ Winter (https://www.winterwatch.net/category/articlesbyrusswinter/), US News (https://www.winterwatch.net/category/usnews/), Winter Watch Articles (https://www.winterwatch.net/category/winterwatcharticles/) 4 (https://www.winterwatch.net/2020/02/the-strange-case-of-flat-earther-mad-mike-hughes-psycho-or-psyop/#mh-comments)

https://i0.wp.com/www.winterwatch.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Mad-Mike-Hughes.jpg?resize=600%2C350&ssl=1

'Mad Mike' Hughes PHOTO: Rolling Stone

On Saturday, a video posted to Twitter by journalist Justin Chapman showed a rocket being launched. Eight seconds later, a parachute is seen deploying too early, and the rocket plummets to the ground.

“Mad Mike Hughes just launched himself in a self-made steam-powered rocket [yes, you read it right] and crash landed. Very likely did not survive,” Chapman wrote alongside the clip.



Mad Mike Hughes just launched himself in a self-made steam-powered rocket and crash landed. Very likely did not survive. #MadMike (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MadMike?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) #MadMikeHughes (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MadMikeHughes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) pic.twitter.com/svtviTEi8f (https://t.co/svtviTEi8f)
— Justin Chapman (@justindchapman) February 22, 2020 (https://twitter.com/justindchapman/status/1231336002175717376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)



There is no footage of Hughes — who’s a so-called “flat earther” — actually getting into the rocket, nor are there crash site images.

The usual-suspect Lugenpresse are all over the “Mad Mike” story. Naturally, they’re pursuing the “science denialism” hoax — ahem, I mean narrative. Of course, the psyop also targets the “radical doubters,” such as regular Winter Watch readers. And of course instilling more magical cartoon world thinking in the population is a goal. The cognoscenti on the Tweeter comments above bought this hook, line and sinker and without question.


Read: Was the Sea-Tac Baggage Handler’s Aerobatics Show a Giant Staged-Deception PsyOp? (https://www.winterwatch.net/2018/08/was-the-sea-tac-baggage-handlers-aerobatics-show-a-giant-staged-deception-psyop/)


And, whodathunk, the self inflicted ill fated Mad Mike offered this little gem of advice.



“I just want people to question everything. Question what your congressman is doing, your city council. Question what really happened during the Civil War. What happened during 9/11.”



The mishap was reported at 1:52 p.m. on private property in the Barstow area, San Bernardino County Sheriff-Coroner spokeswoman Cindy Bachman said in an email to NBC News (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286). She did not identify Hughes.

“A man was pronounced deceased after the rocket crashed in the open desert during a rocket launch event,” she said.

The sheriff’s department did not identify the victim, but Hughes’ partner Waldo Stakes, who was at the rocket launch, confirmed to the Associated Press that Hughes was killed.

Indeed, following Hughes’ supposed death at age 64, came this quote from the PR rep in a Buzzfeed article (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/otilliasteadman/mad-mike-hughes-rocket-death-flat-earth):



“We used flat Earth as a PR stunt. Period,” Shuster told BuzzFeed News. “Flat Earth allowed us to get so much publicity that we kept going! I know he didn’t believe in flat Earth and it was a schtick.”



shtick (Yiddish: שטיק‎)
noun INFORMAL
a gimmick, comic routine, style of performance, etc. associated with a particular person.

Despite the schtick confession, Hughes had promoted a bogus flat Earth psyops.

Read: The Flat Earth Psyop and Canard Against Religion and Pre-Modern Civilization (https://www.winterwatch.net/2019/01/the-earth-is-flat-psyop-and-canard-against-religion/)

“A plan to prove the Earth flat or round will be presented to an International audience,” reads a promo for the two-day event. “The list of topics to be presented include flat Earth and other controversial subjects. The full list of speakers is yet to be determined.”

There, Hughes will announce (https://infinite-plane-society.myshopify.com/blogs/news/flat-earthers-plan-antarctic-expedition-and-rocket-launch?fbclid=IwAR0Gwlc2fVPpgFtILGZm1O-tYORlPp62jg_y3Q3a73RYtfyr9wjCWXl53Bo) a “’rockoon’ launch to the edge of space” and “an Antarctic expedition with the goal of reaching the edge of the world … to prove once and for all that this Earth is flat,” according to the event’s promotional declaration.

According to the Associated Press, Hughes built his first crewed rocket on Jan. 30, 2014, and flew 1,374 feet (419 m) in just over one minute over Winkelman, Arizona.

Again, there was no video of Hughes entering the rocket, and there were doubts that he was in it when it launched.

According to CBC News (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBC_News), Hughes collapsed after the landing and it took him three days to recover. Hughes stated that the injuries suffered from the flight put him in a walker for two weeks.

After professing his belief in a flat Earth later that year, Hughes gained support within the flat-Earth community. His post-flat-Earth fundraising campaign made its $7,875 goal. He had said he intended to make multiple rocket journeys, culminating in a flight to outer space, where he believed he would be able to take a picture of the entire Earth as a flat disc.

He then claimed in November 2017 that the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) had given him verbal permission more than a year prior to launch his rocket, pending approval from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

However, a BLM spokesman said its local field office had no record of speaking to Hughes at the time.

The untested initial rocket was intended to reach a speed of 500 mph (800 km/h). Further rocket trips, which were to be launched from a balloon 20 miles (32 km) up were intended to reach above the atmosphere into outer space. Hughes acknowledged there were risks.

“It’s scary as hell,” he told the Associated Press. “But none of us are getting out of this world alive.”

A fundraising campaign to cover the costs of the delay raised around $100 of its $10,000 goal.

An alleged successful launch on March 24, 2018, resulted in his reaching a height of 1,875 feet (572 m) and a “hard landing” in the Mojave Desert. The steam-powered rocket launched at a sharp angle to avoid falling back to Earth on public land, and landed about 1,500 feet (460 m) away from the launch point. Hughes’ team reported a maximum speed of 350 mph (560 km/h). Hughes reported no serious injury from the landing.


https://www.winterwatch.net/2020/02/the-strange-case-of-flat-earther-mad-mike-hughes-psycho-or-psyop/

[ziero0]

Of course the Earth is flat. It is Space that is curved.

[woodman]

Of course the Earth is flat. It is Space that is curved.
Actually space isn't curved. It just appears that way because of density differentials. When you get your mind around the concept of negative space, it will begin to make no sense at all.

[ziero0]

What you see is what you get. Anything beyond the horizon is a construct of the mind rather than the senses.

[Neuro]

Actually space isn't curved. It just appears that way because of density differentials. When you get your mind around the concept of negative space, it will begin to make no sense at all.

Exactly!
;D LOL
Post of the year nomination!

[ziero0]

It is widely believed that the path of a thrown baseball follows a parabola. This is incorrect. In Euclidean space the baseball follows a straight line but space is curved due to the presence of Earths gravity and so the appearance of the path is as an arc.

[Neuro]

It is widely believed that the path of a thrown baseball follows a parabola. This is incorrect. In Euclidean space the baseball follows a straight line but space is curved due to the presence of Earths gravity and so the appearance of the path is as an arc.

Hmmm yes by the same reasoning earths surface is flat in Euclidean space but space is curved due to the presence of Earths gravity so it appears globular. But then all the measurements presented in this thread that tend to prove that earth is flat would actually prove that earth is instead concave. Like earths surface is actually on the inside of a sphere, which makes the observations of sunsets totally absurd

[ziero0]

Sight is a sense. Analysis of what you see belongs to logic and memory. Memory means you are relying upon past observations. But memory can be faulty as can the logic based upon it. It also means you base the future on the past. They call this the gamblers fallacy. Concentrate instead in the present and memory/logic issues go away. What you SEE is all you GET.

[dys]

This is a very good flat earth video, and a very good youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwelRMZQwns&t=1746s

[osoab]

It is widely believed that the path of a thrown baseball follows a parabola. This is incorrect. In Euclidean space the baseball follows a straight line but space is curved due to the presence of Earths gravity and so the appearance of the path is as an arc.

Earth's magnetic field. Not "gravity".

Websters 1828.

GRAV'ITY, noun [Latin gravitas, from gravis, heavy. See Grave (http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/gravity#).]
1. Weight; heaviness.
2. In philosophy, that force by which bodies tend or are pressed or drawn towards the center of the earth, or towards some other center, or the effect of that force; in which last sense gravity is synonymous with weight.
Gravity is the tendency of great bodies to a center, or the sum or results of all the attractions of all the molecules composing a great body.
3. Specific gravity the weight belonging to an equal bulk of every different substance. Thus the exact weight of a cubic inch of gold, compared with that of a cubic inch of gold, compared with that of a cubic inch of water or tin, is called its specific gravity The specific gravity of bodies is usually ascertained by weighing them in distilled water.
4. Seriousness; sobriety of manners; solemnity of deportment or character.
Great Cato there, for gravity renowned.
5. Weight; enormity; atrociousness; as the gravity of an injury. [Not used.
6. In music, lowness of sound.


Grave

GRAVE, a final syllable, is a grove.
GRAVE, verb transitive preterit tense graved; participle passive graven or graved. [Gr. to write; originally all writing was graving; Eng. to scrape.]
1. To carve or cut letters or figures on stone or other hard substance, with a chisel or edged tool; to engrave. [The latter word is now more generally used.]
Thou shalt take two onyx-stones and grave on them the names of the children of Israel. Exodus 28:9 (http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/Grave#).
2. To carve; to form or shape by cutting with a chisel; as, to grave an image.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image. Exodus 20:4 (http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/Grave#).
3. To clean a ship's bottom by burning off filth, grass or other foreign matter, and paying it over with pitch.
4. To entomb. [Unusual.]
GRAVE, verb intransitive To carve; to write or delineate on hard substances; to practice engraving.
GRAVE, noun [Latin scrobs.]
1. The ditch, pit or excavated place in which a dead human body is deposited; a place for the corpse of a human being; a sepulcher.
2. A tomb.
3. Any place where the dead are reposited; a place of great slaughter or mortality. Flanders was formerly the grave of English armies. Russia proved to be the grave of the French army under Bonaparte. The tropical climates are the grave of American seamen and of British soldiers.
4. Graves, in the plural, sediment of tallow melted. [Not in use or local.]


Is "gravity" just a place where the dead congregate? Just dead weight? :)

[ziero0]

Earth's magnetic field is going away being 4.5 gauss 2000 years ago and .4 gauss presently.

Do you have an experiment that will demonstrate that the path followed by a baseball 2000 years ago is different than the trajectory today?