Flat Earthers Won't Go Away [Archive]

madfranks

22nd June 2015, 11:11 AM

I've heard it too, as a matter of fact, a couple weeks ago on coast to coast there was a guest who discussed this theory. I enjoy entertaining the notions of stuff that is wayyy out there.

www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2015/05/21

In the latter half, professional game tester and proprietary software trainer Mark K. Sargent discussed his breakthrough work on the Enclosed Earth Theory. He outlined clues that point to the idea that Earth is actually a "Truman Show"-type contained system stretching thousands of miles wide, and 400 miles high. His interest in this theory developed out of studying "flat earth" conspiracies, which seemed absurd at first. One source, who said he used to work for NASA, claimed that the space agency knows that Earth isn't really shaped like a globe, Sargent reported.

Sargent's Enclosed World model differs from 'flat earth' theories in that he envisions a gigantic, but specific enclosure that stretches high enough to include weather systems. The moon and sun are not what we think they are-- they're actually much smaller spheres, like huge light bulbs, that are much closer to us than the distances NASA has suggested, according to the theory. Space missions such as to the moon and Mars could be faked, he added. Sargent also shared data from Admiral Byrd's expeditions to Antarctica-- he did numerous missions there over a 30-year period, and there's possible evidence to suggest he found something that correlates with or reveals the 'Enclosed World' secret.

Here's his website: http://enclosedworld.com/

Glass

22nd June 2015, 12:55 PM

yeah we put a lot of work into it here as well. Mostly under Concave earth. Are things in the sky really really small or far far away?

I thought it was good for a laugh. There is a YT guy calls himself Christ or something. Can't recall. He has visions that there is a glass ceiling, and there is a pyramid in the sun (?) that beams energy to us. Something like that.

Would be interesting if it were concave, then we could all wonder about the universe we can't see because it is on the outside and ours is on the inside in the middle. It would mean that we probably couldn't dig a hole to china.

osoab

22nd June 2015, 05:07 PM

If you can show me a direct flight from South Africa to Australia that really is nonstop, then I will reevaluate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNVgzk3tbl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNVgzk3tbl0

StreetsOfGold

22nd June 2015, 05:21 PM

The FLAT earth is a FLAT FACT

Would not surprise me if some of you believe the evolutionist...big bang slung out the SPINNING ball earth, solar systems and galaxy system CRAP!!

osoab

22nd June 2015, 05:22 PM

The FLAT earth is a FLAT FACT

Would not surprise me if some of you believe the evolutionist...big bang slung out the SPINNING ball earth, solar systems and galaxy system CRAP!!

I am still trying to understand how the "Electric Universe" model would work in a Flat Earth system.

StreetsOfGold

22nd June 2015, 05:22 PM

Glass

22nd June 2015, 05:33 PM

You are probably talking about one of the gubbermint SHILLS who calls himself Lord Steven Christ.

Not only is he a professional MIS-info agent, he is an anti Christ as well

yes and delusional, but if he is some kind of agent it would make more sense, his apparent belief in what he says. He is way way out there though compared to others who discuss the subject.

Don't know any direct flights except maybe to the US from Sydney. Every where else is via Asia or the ME. Like I said, good for a laugh.

Shami-Amourae

22nd June 2015, 05:43 PM

The FLAT earth is a FLAT FACT

Would not surprise me if some of you believe the evolutionist...big bang slung out the SPINNING ball earth, solar systems and galaxy system CRAP!!

I don't believe in the Big Bang Theory. I think that's been disproven, but the scientific community is clinging onto it since they are afraid to admit they don't know.

PatColo

10th July 2015, 11:02 PM

I wouldn't have heard of this flat earth inquiry trend if not for my routinely browsing Mami's (http://grizzom.blogspot.hk/) where, if you page back though their recent posts, you'll see a near daily flat earth blog entry. I gather mami's mod "delcroix (http://grizzom.blogspot.hk/2015/07/first-amateur-rocket-into-space-proves.html)" is a believer, as he seems to post most of the pro flat earth entries. delcroix also proclaims that nuclear bombs/energy is a big hoax, and I can't recall if he also proclaims that satellites are a hoax, but that is part of the same "everything's fake" crowd's campaigns.

As one whose first guess is that the Apollo moon landings were faked, and considering how for decades "flat-earthers" has been a systematically engineered meme to ridicule & dismiss those presenting alternative views, similar to the "conspiracy theorists" meme; lets just say I "allow for the possibility" that the flat earth speculation may be... ??? My first impression upon seeing that there's a "flat earther" trend being posted at otherwise truthy internet watering holes, was "uh oh, sunstein cognitive infiltration meant to discredit everyone of our mindset/message!" and that remains my first guess.

Sofia Smallstorm and "3 friends" evaluate :o, haven't listened,

What Is the World 7/3/15 (http://aboutthesky.com/podcasts)

http://aboutthesky.com/images/stories/inmedia/unflag_tn.gif

It appears that many are secretly looking into the possibility that we might not actually be on a blue globe doing a yearly orbit in a solar system in the universe. Even speculating that "the earth is flat" is enough to get you labeled absolutely loony, but believe it or not, 2015 is showing itself to be the year of this inquiry! I gather three friends here, two of whom are 99% and 100% convinced that the Globe Theory of the Earth is Wrong, to exchange information and explain what can and cannot be. We all have eyes and we have all lived here for a while now, so why don't you listen and go to some of the links to decide for yourself -- or at least so you can say you've taken a gander at this ridiculous theory!

(http://memoryholeblog.com/)
Listen here

(http://aboutthesky.com/images/stories/audio/SSmallstorm_podcast_027_7-03-15.mp3)

Links:
UN flag and emblem (http://www.un.org/depts/dhl/maplib/flag.htm)
Flat Horizon YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clecIaAF05c&index=1&list=PL8R7sUt1fYkDRv7Xw0Rh43F_-QJ1O5jjR)
The Sun and Seasons YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY0xhUOL3vM&feature=youtu.be)
Flight Paths Across North Pole Only YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eJLag-n33c)
Ball Earth Skeptic YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGvVZ8tj8bGowb609y__3SA/videos)
Ball Earth Skeptic FaceBook (https://www.facebook.com/ballearthskeptic)
Allegedly Dave Blog Flat Earth (http://www.allegedlydave.com/blog.htm?article_id=12)
Donald Simanek Early Ideas and Flat Earth Thinking (https://www.lhup.edu/%7Edsimanek/flat/flateart.htm)
Felix Baumgartner space jump image (http://aboutthesky.com/images/stories/inmedia/earthfromspacepic.jpg) and article (http://www.techandinnovationdaily.com/2013/02/13/real-time-earth-from-space/)

Shami-Amourae

10th July 2015, 11:21 PM

Don't tell me you believe it too Pat.

I looked into it objectively, and it's complete bullshit. They can't explain a lot of stuff like why are there more hours of daylight or night in Alaska versus California. Their models are so complicated and confusing it looks like they are just pulling more shit out of these asses to make things make sense.

PatColo

11th July 2015, 01:19 AM

RE: ^

As one whose first guess is that the Apollo moon landings were faked, and considering how for decades "flat-earthers" has been a systematically engineered meme to ridicule & dismiss those presenting alternative views, similar to the "conspiracy theorists" meme; lets just say I "allow for the possibility" that the flat earth speculation may be... ??? My first impression upon seeing that there's a "flat earther" trend being posted at otherwise truthy internet watering holes, was "uh oh, sunstein cognitive infiltration meant to discredit everyone of our mindset/message!" and that remains my first guess.

I'll just add, I recently heard JFetzer (himself a forever dubious actor! (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?71312-Critical-of-JFetzer-amp-JFriend-s-No-Planes-WTC-campaign)) attribute to the CIA, paraphrasing, "the goal of disinformation is not so much to cause people to believe the wrong thing, as it is to create for them a 'reality' where everything is possible, but nothing is knowable..." (further adding, therefore stifling them from taking any decisive action... caught like deer in the headlights...).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiPe1OiKQuk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiPe1OiKQuk

Their models are so complicated and confusing it looks like they are just pulling more shit out of these asses to make things make sense.

That nails why I haven't even viewed any of the flat earth material which mami's has posted a flurry of recently... nor listened to sofia's recent podcast... similar to my not taking the "WTC- planes, or no planes? Nanothermite, or mini-nukes, or JWood's energy weapons?" bait. It's futile, and a waste of "The Movement's" time/energy... besides making us appear as kooks to J6Ps.

It makes the best sense to me that these "questions" :rolleyes: are planted by the spooks. Truth activists? or Truth hobbyists? :|~

Shami-Amourae

11th July 2015, 01:21 AM

I'm doubtful the moon landing was real too, and think that the Flat Earth thing is a good way to discredit that movement, as well as the Conspiracy movement in general.

My grandfather was one of the top scientists who was behind the Apollo program so internally I WANT to believe the Apollo moon landing narrative too since it brings shame on my bloodline.

PatColo

11th July 2015, 02:25 AM

^ I don't pretend to know how the spook agency and otherwise secret societies whole "sworn to secrecy" mechanism works; but it makes sense that it's some combination of bribery/payoff, plus threat if they betray this arrangement (most likely, you and your entire family will meet untimely demises), plus some degree of mind-control/cultism (IE 'True Believerism' in various organized religions, causes, secret society agendas, etc). The mechanism must be effective stuff though, given how many conspiracies we know to be true, yet no one from the inside speak out.

Maybe your grandfather was looking out for your welfare, by never speaking out to anyone? Was he "well to do"? Was he a mason?

Maybe Apollo was so cleverly & thoroughly compartmentalized, that 90/whatever percent of the contributors were given every reason to truly believe that it was all real, same as the general public which Apollo was designed to deceive?

Santa

11th July 2015, 05:28 AM

In the 20th Century, they compartmentalized and partitioned. In the 21st Century, they erase the hard drive and replace the operating system.

Serpo

18th July 2015, 03:36 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IinxfgwR0w

Glass

23rd July 2015, 06:09 AM

so I've been listening to some of the players. One of the guys (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOtL7oTHwA_iZhFZeAGVcqA) who does the Aus Round Table (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?83803-Aus-Round-Table-ausroundtableDOTcom&highlight=round) shows also does a Sunday Sessions program (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOtL7oTHwA_iZhFZeAGVcqA) which is a shoot the breeze show with some guests. The topic has taken his fancy and he has been inviting all the major players who support this theory. I don't know if he has invited a sceptic yet.

I've checked out the material of the contributors. Not all yet but a couple that seem to be the highly esteemed in the movement. Jeranism, Mark Sargent.

Mark has a clues series which are dealing with one aspect at a time plus some talk about ideals. Talks about the alleged fact that there no direct flights from Australia east coast to South America west coast. This being the shortest route on the globe. On a flat earth those two points become the further est apart. You would have to go up over the north pole and back down. To hide this, the airlines route all flights between Australia and South America via hubs such as Asia. This makes them 2+ leg journeys possibly with a lay over.

Flights are listed but then the claim is that those are either ghost flights or are somehow redirected and no body knows. Anyone trying to book gets bumped before flight day. Then the additional evidence is that when looking at the online flight tracker web sites the logs for the flight shows the planes drop out from GPS mid flight and reappear just before landing. The claim is that this only happens in the southern hemisphere and not in the north.

I checked. The log of position data does drop out for some sizable portion of the journey only to reappear. If the flight does not actually exist then the data is faked.

My comments on this, because it's a heavily relied upon evidence. GPS is not a tracking system. It is a positioning system. It is viewed by the carrier. The person driving or walking or sailing or flying. It is not viewed by anyone on the ground. Aircraft have transponders and these transmit data to ground stations. If there are no receiving ground stations, because you are 2000 miles out to sea, then there is no data.

Jermanism has a couple of concepts used to verify the flat earth as opposed to globe. Number 1 is this concept of standing upright. The belief is that only people in the northern hemisphere stand upright. The right way up. Everyone in the southern hemisphere is standing upside down. Not on their hands but on their feet but their heads are pointing down. This confirms something but I am not sure what. But everyone must be facing the same way up, indicating a plane earth.

It is obvious though that on a globe, up is a relative thing. Unless it is relative to a fixed point in the sky. If you said the direction of the sun is up, then some people would be wrong side up at any point in time.

Planes flying off into space or having to lower their trajectory by such a big amount every minute it would not be possible for the earth to be a globe. The idea is that the plane would have to drop faster than is feasible for every minute of flight. This idea suggests that planes fly along their axis, which is incorrect. Planes fly at an angle of attack. They do this in order to gain lift to over come forces that would deny them flight.

There is also a formula you can use to determine how far below the horizon something should be based on how far away it is, if the earth is a sphere. This goes to the calculation used for the planes flying off into space and also for things like the Superior Mirage anomaly where a city can be seen 68 miles across lake Superior when the city should be mostly obscured by the earths curvature. Have not tried the calculations, but the anomaly is well documented in MSM as a mirage.

Ships being partially over the horizon to the naked eye but clearly still above the horizon through a telescope or binoculars. I have seen this effect myself as a kid. Looking out over the harbour and anchorage area of the big freighters. You see them almost disappear but then still clear with the telescope. I think if the only thing in the field of view was the ship. No water or clouds or anything. I think people will realise it is their eyes. To me, it is, the ship is further away than the waves my eyes see. As there is water all the way out there and my eyes have limited range, they see waves that are closer and a ship which is bigger and farther. It looks like one is partially behind the other. I think it is an illusion caused by optical focus.

I do think most of the nasa stuff is faked. It's pretty hard to see past it now.

Admiral Byrd story is a very interesting one. A true explorer who spent decades in Antarctica or working on exploring it. The concept is intriguing. That the north pole is the centre of the earth and the south pole is not a point but is an ice wall barrier the whole circumference of the flat earth disc. It is said that he stated he found some kind of hole or valley containing a tropical wonderland with mammoths and all sorts of resource riches. He did say in an interview that the land was rich in coal and probably oil and possibly other mineral wealth. He never said anything about a tropical paradise.

Why is it locked off? Probably too cold and everyone just agreed to finish gutting the rest of the planet first and by that time it should be thawed out.

There are a lot of intriguing suggestions but some of them are just not very well thought out or are due to a lack of knowledge about how some things work. The theory is based on circumstantial ideas, valid questions about space exploration to date and extrapolated from there. I think they need to build a bit more evidence and drop some ideas.

Not going to the moon is heavy weight material but it not conclusive of a flat earth. It can be a valid reason why there are no earth images. It is used as a relative logic argument. If NASA lies about this then nothing from them is valid. Baby bath water argument comes in here. I am undecided at this point as insurmountable danger is a valid reason for not having gone there, not conclusive evidence the moon is not some thing that can actually be landed on.

Jewboo

25th July 2015, 08:00 AM

It is obvious though that on a globe, up is a relative thing. Unless it is relative to a fixed point in the sky. If you said the direction of the sun is up, then some people would be wrong side up at any point in time.

https://glamboy69.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/flatearth.jpg https://frankslycreative.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/flat-earth.jpg

Should be a simple thing for you to take photos of the "EDGE" of our flat Earth. Why not even one single Youtube video from these so-called Flat Earth experts?

:)

madfranks

25th July 2015, 09:09 AM

https://glamboy69.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/flatearth.jpg https://frankslycreative.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/flat-earth.jpg

Should be a simple thing for you to take photos of the "EDGE" of our flat Earth. Why not even one single Youtube video from these so-called Flat Earth experts?

:)

Your pictures of the flat earth are not how it's proposed to be. The theory goes that the "north pole" is the center of the flat earth disc, while Antarctica encloses the disc on all sides like a giant ice wall at the end of the earth:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Flat_earth.png

Mark and others have proposed bringing two ships to the coast of Antarctica, and sailing in opposite directions. If Antarctica is a small ice continent, it won't take very long for the two ships to meet on the opposite side. If Antarctica is a giant ice wall per the flat earth theory, both ships will have to sail around the world before they meet up. Unfortunately, no government on earth will allow this experiment to take place. Antarctica is the key to proving or disproving this theory, but no government will allow anyone down there to find out. Antarctica is really off limits to everyone.

FWIW - I'm not sold on the theory, but it does raise some good questions.

monty

25th July 2015, 10:26 AM

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7739&stc=1

If Al Gore gets his way the flat earther's ice wall is going to melt. The oceans are going to run off the edge leaving barren earth!

Jewboo

25th July 2015, 10:43 AM

...while Antarctica encloses the disc on all sides like a giant ice wall at the end of the earth:

http://iscreamsundae.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Ice-Climbing-Extreme-Sports-1024x682.jpg

http://cdn1.buuteeq.com/upload/8394/helicopter-ice-1.jpg.1920x807_default.jpg

:rolleyes: excuses excuses...lol

madfranks

25th July 2015, 10:54 AM

Actually, what would be cool is if someone started a kickstarter campaign to raise funds to do this experiment, to travel around Antarctica. I doubt they'd get government approval to do it, but then the question could be raised "why not?"

BrewTech

25th July 2015, 12:46 PM

PatColo

28th July 2015, 03:30 AM

BrewTech

28th July 2015, 08:36 AM

PatColo

28th July 2015, 11:23 AM

^ I listened to maybe 1/2 hour of it yesterday. Jist is anti-flat earther, it's a psyop to discredit truthers broad brush... my first guess too, as I said above. But there was an Irish (?) participant who seemed to be conflicted. I turned it off before I got a better bead on him. I don't expect to return to it, not enough interest.

StreetsOfGold

28th July 2015, 12:07 PM

I'm wondering why someone would need government approval?

Because you'll get blown out of the water by one of their patrols if you don't!
If you get approval (if it's even possible $$$), you will only see what THEY WANT you to see and go to only the places THEY WANT you to go anyways so why ask?

Glass

28th July 2015, 12:35 PM

I don't know how you would get there except as part of a scientific expedition. I think Australia sends down a big crew each "summer" and leaves a skeleton crew during the winter. Not sure what they keep doing down there.

The temperature in Antarctica has reached −89 °C (−129 °F). There are no permanent human residents, but anywhere from 1,000 to 5,000 people reside throughout the year at the research stations scattered across the continent.

Antarctica is a de facto condominium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condominium_%28international_law%29), governed by parties to the Antarctic Treaty System (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System) that have consulting status. Twelve countries signed the Antarctic Treaty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System) in 1959, and thirty-eight have signed it since then. The treaty prohibits military activities and mineral mining, prohibits nuclear explosions and nuclear waste disposal, supports scientific research, and protects the continent's ecozone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecozone). Ongoing experiments are conducted by more than 4,000 scientists from many nations.

Travel is largely by small or medium ship, focusing on specific scenic locations with accessible concentrations of iconic wildlife. A total of 37,506 tourists visited during the 2006–07 Austral summer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Hemisphere) with nearly all of them coming from commercial ships. The number was predicted to increase to over 80,000 by 2010

osoab

28th July 2015, 06:40 PM

if you have 3.5 hours to spare, and your favorite YT-to-MP3 converter site so you're not leashed to your 'puter & YT, WDIL posted this roundtable podcast recently,

Flat Earth Debunked PSYOP EXPOSED: We'll Do It Live: The REAL Alternative Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSy9oKHlpiE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSy9oKHlpiE

I got through 41 minutes. I'm done. Bad flow to the discussion.

Is Dr. Astro the Dr. Astro from GLP?

They start off talking about parallax. This is the Flat Earther's take. The ship they show in the debunker vid does not zoom in on the ship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFhhCYYkILw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFhhCYYkILw

Cebu_4_2

29th July 2015, 06:36 PM

My grandfather was one of the top scientists who was behind the Apollo program so internally I WANT to believe the Apollo moon landing narrative too since it brings shame on my bloodline.

He was compartmentalized, he had no clue.

PatColo

29th July 2015, 10:10 PM

mami's mod delcroix posted this; he posts most (all?) of their pro-flat-earth entries. YT & MP3 links below, also check comments... only 2h 35m :D

Ball Earth Skeptic Roundtable Ep 8 July 29, 2015 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2015/07/ball-earth-skeptic-roundtable-ep-8-july.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEWwIZAeRsM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEWwIZAeRsM

Join Matrix Decode and host John le Bon for another installment of the Ball Earth Skeptic Roundtable. Our guest for tonight is The Morgile (https://www.youtube.com/user/TheMorgile/videos),

Audio Only Here
Download (http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/ib6hv1zmei/Ball_Earth_Skeptic_Roundtable_Episode_8_TheMorgile _29_-_Jul-2015_.mp3)

John le Bon's You Tube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOtL7oTHwA_iZhFZeAGVcqA)

A View from the Bog (http://outsideradio.blogspot.ie/)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-suaE8I5rl5I/VYGYj7G2cHI/AAAAAAAAB3s/8JS7EwNPwG8/s200/100_7399.JPG (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-suaE8I5rl5I/VYGYj7G2cHI/AAAAAAAAB3s/8JS7EwNPwG8/s1600/100_7399.JPG)

Posted by delcroix (https://www.blogger.com/profile/04838891459471113991) at 6:31 PM 2 comments: (https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5440450620561193447&postID=9028546700158144990)

Glass

30th July 2015, 12:15 AM

that one is a pretty good listen.

Neuro

30th July 2015, 01:51 AM

A sextant would be worthless for navigation if earth was flat. Unless the sun is really, really close

osoab

30th July 2015, 03:15 AM

A sextant would be worthless for navigation if earth was flat. Unless the sun is really, really close

Like 3000 miles? I think that is the number I have heard for sun/moon distance.

Neuro

30th July 2015, 03:35 AM

Like 3000 miles? I think that is the number I have heard for sun/moon distance.
Probably something like that. Another problem is to explain the polar nights and midnight sun in a flat earth environment... It couldn't be entirely flat, it has to have some curve at least... And then you have the northpole in the middle of the disc... Phew! This is becoming complicated, could it be that the North pool is actually a deep whirlpool. So when the sun is close to the antarctica rim. It is blocked by the edge. But then you'ld have the sun in zenith at Antarctica and I am not aware of any such observations. Must have been suppressed by the Nazis!

Life was much simpler under round earth theory! ;D

Glass

30th July 2015, 07:59 PM

A sextant would be worthless for navigation if earth was flat. Unless the sun is really, really close

well that is what they suggest, that the sun is actually very close. Not sure what the distance some say it is, have heard it mentioned. Very close. Tens of Thousands of miles from memory.

I finished listening to that Skeptics show. Probably one of the better ones so far. I did go and listen to a few presentations made by the guest on that show. He is quite adamant now and not open to other peoples ideas. So a "believer" in flat earthism. And we know it can be difficult to debate with "believers".

One of his YT's was Flat Earth for Dummies. He spent quite a bit of time talking about shooting cannon balls straight up in the air and why they didn't land meters away because the earth had moved during the time the cannon ball went straight up and down again.

Was trying to workout how far the earth would have moved in that time. My only problem with that (only at this time) is that when something is moving and is then shot in some direction it will take with it some of that momentum in the direction that it was moving.

So for cannon balls they would be traveling at the speed of earth when fired and their trajectory would not be perfectly vertical from the point in space they were fired from, they would be moving at slight angle to perpendicular to that point which in theory would cause them to fall somewhere towards the direction the earth was already traveling. The point on the earth they were fired from would also move in the same direction.

I hope that makes sense. What happens if you fire against the spin of the earth? Would it go further than normal?

They also talk about things like, why winds are not 1000mph at the equator because the earth moves that fast at the equator and if planes flew with the earths rotation it should take them longer to get to their destination or not even get there if flying on the equator because its 1000mph at the equator. Of course if you flew against the rotation you should get there in no time because the earth moves below you at 1000mph.

Also the earth spins slower at the top and bottom because they are smaller circumferences than the equator. So at the north pole you would not be spinning.

so what have we got for logical debunking of that lot?

Neuro

30th July 2015, 09:42 PM

I guess there would be a point to the 1000 mph winds at the equator if space was filled with air, but it isn't, you just find it in a real thin layer around earth and it mostly moves with earth. Earths rotation does however create winds, most notably the jet stream. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_stream
I wonder how a flat earther would be able to debunk the jet stream?

Glass

30th July 2015, 10:08 PM

If you are traveling at close to the speed of light and you fired a canon in the direction of travel, how fast will the cannon ball be traveling?

Should be at least as fast as you.

I see plane flight as the same thing. The plane is already moving at the speed of earth when it takes off. I don't know I can see their angles.

StreetsOfGold

31st July 2015, 07:33 AM

He spent quite a bit of time talking about shooting cannon balls straight up in the air and why they didn't land meters away because the earth had moved during the time the cannon ball went straight up and down again.

Was trying to workout how far the earth would have moved in that time. My only problem with that (only at this time) is that when something is moving and is then shot in some direction it will take with it some of that momentum in the direction that it was moving.

There's a YT video in which some (non flat earth) guys sent up a balloon with a camera and it was up for over 3 1/2 hours
When it landed it was tracked and picked up, about 65 miles away.

How would you explain this if the earth is traveling at about 1,000 mph as they claim?

Neuro

31st July 2015, 07:55 AM

There's a YT video in which some (non flat earth) guys sent up a balloon with a camera and it was up for over 3 1/2 hours
When it landed it was tracked and picked up, about 65 miles away.

How would you explain this if the earth is traveling at about 1,000 mph as they claim?
Earth rotates around its own axis in 24h, and the distance around the equator is 24,000 miles, so it rotates around its own axis at 1000 mph, the air largely rotates with the solid ground and the liquid water of the oceans. Further the earth, allegedly rotates around the sun at 66,000 mph, luckily the air follows the earth on its orbit. It would be awful if the atmosphere was swept away at 66,000 mph, don't ya think?

Glass

3rd August 2015, 02:40 AM

been watching a couple of Jeranisms latests YT videos.

He has a live show coming up Monday night I think he said 6pm or 6:30 PST.

I watched this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgv-juzElEY

And then an earlier one which has ago at a scientist who says the FE'ers are dopes. Mostly people being snide with each other but there is a smattering of new bits, film footage I have not seen before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-7JXOlVW-M

It seems if you go through enough NASA space footage, apollo missions, ISS you see many errors, people being outside apollo 11 in space when they aren't supposed to be there. Launch footage being doctored to straighten trajectories off the launch pad. That one is almost claiming that the actual Apollo 11 rocket actually went off its intended path almost before it was clear of the tower.

Nasa claiming their rocket construction building is X feet high when in fact it is not high enough to house most of the rockets they built.

But there some silly childish stuff there. The show would be interesting to listen to. I think it is in about 14 hours time.

Glass

4th August 2015, 11:30 PM

John Le Bon is hosting another Ball Earth Skeptics online chat today Wed 5th Aug.

10:00PM Au EST.
8:00AM USA I think that is EST

I guess that is probably 5 or 6:00 AM USA WST?

Guest is some one called Stars are Souls.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOtL7oTHwA_iZhFZeAGVcqA

Glass

5th August 2015, 06:22 AM

YT live link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuN0Ekioqi0

Just started

StreetsOfGold

5th August 2015, 11:39 AM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nasa-unveils-epic-photobomb-by-the-far-side-of-the-moon-2015-08-05

The world is pushing this (IMO) Satanic idea of the round spinning ball so fiercely they are SINGING the PRAISES of NASA (< bunch of devils) which just released their latest COMPUTER generated CGI from (get this) 1 million miles away
Excuse me while I LOL and to which any sane rational thinking individual should say....
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, right, a "likely" story!

"They’re all singing the praises of NASA’s latest visual offering: A view, from 1 million miles away, of the moon as it passes between the DSCOVR spacecraft’s “EPIC” camera and the Earth."

Luke 16:15 .....that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Glass

5th August 2015, 09:39 PM

Its pretty clear NASA fakes a lot of shite. I think it is interesting that they specifically state these are "unaltered images". I think that is good news.

One thing though, the image quality is pretty poor considering it's 2015 and even the most basic phone has at least a 2megapixel camera, regularly 5 and if you spend you can get a 10 or 12 megapixel camera.

Looking at this image it doesn't look any cleared than the original 1975 Blue Marble image, the 1st image supposedly taken of the earth. When oyu google Earth images you get a lot of results however most of them are of the same image.

There are 2 different Blue Marble images and both of these show up in the Google results. The remainder of the google results appear to be created images using what appear to be drawings of the earth continents such as you would see on a map, not from a photograph.

The other thing about those images is, the most commonly used on is a composite image and it has been photoshopped. When you look at it you can clearly see the cloud patterns are repeated, meaning it is not a real picture of earth. The original 1975 Blue Marble was clearly taken with a film camera and is grainy, lacks colour and image resolution of modern digital cameras.

This one is timely though. It could be only the 4th image taken of earth. To me it looks grainy like the 1975 image and when I get some time I'll compare the two. Make sure they aren't using it as as background.

It's a live leak.

From a Million Miles Away, NASA Camera Shows Moon Crossing Face of Earth.

A NASA camera aboard the Deep Space Climate Observatory (DSCOVR) satellite captured a unique view of the moon as it moved in front of the sunlit side of Earth last month. The series of test images shows the fully illuminated “dark side” of the moon that is never visible from Earth.

The images were captured by NASA’s Earth Polychromatic Imaging Camera (EPIC), a four megapixel CCD camera and telescope on the DSCOVR satellite orbiting 1 million miles from Earth. From its position between the sun and Earth, DSCOVR conducts its primary mission of real-time solar wind monitoring for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).
EPIC maintains a constant view of the fully illuminated Earth as it rotates, providing scientific observations of ozone, vegetation, cloud height and aerosols in the atmosphere. Once EPIC begins regular observations next month, the camera will provide a series of Earth images allowing study of daily variations over the entire globe. About twice a year the camera will capture the moon and Earth together as the orbit of DSCOVR crosses the orbital plane of the moon.

These images were taken between 3:50 p.m. and 8:45 p.m. EDT on July 16, showing the moon moving over the Pacific Ocean near North America. The North Pole is in the upper left corner of the image, reflecting the orbital tilt of Earth from the vantage point of the spacecraft.

The far side of the moon was not seen until 1959 when the Soviet Luna 3 spacecraft returned the first images. Since then, several NASA missions have imaged the lunar far side in great detail. The same side of the moon always faces an earthbound observer because the moon is tidally locked to Earth. That means its orbital period is the same as its rotation around its axis.

In May 2008 NASA’s Deep Impact spacecraft captured a similar view of Earth and the moon from a distance of 31 million miles away. The series of images showed the moon passing in front of our home planet when it was only partially illuminated by the sun.

EPIC’s “natural color” images of Earth are generated by combining three separate monochrome exposures taken by the camera in quick succession. EPIC takes a series of 10 images using different narrowband spectral filters -- from ultraviolet to near infrared -- to produce a variety of science products. The red, green and blue channel images are used in these color images.

Combining three images taken about 30 seconds apart as the moon moves produces a slight but noticeable camera artifact on the right side of the moon. Because the moon has moved in relation to the Earth between the time the first (red) and last (green) exposures were made, a thin green offset appears on the right side of the moon when the three exposures are combined. This natural lunar movement also produces a slight red and blue offset on the left side of the moon in these unaltered images.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4fe_1438811955

Here is the YT of it. Warning - Official NASA YT page.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMdhQsHbWTs

Shami-Amourae

17th August 2015, 02:14 PM

A Christian YouTubers named TigerDan925 made this YouTube series on the Flat Earth.

It's entertaining. No I don't believe in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WPBDte2AfY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0MWPJqVoUc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FIDaDh4SpQ

Shami-Amourae

17th August 2015, 02:15 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXYQilNcjRY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y03bfOps34I

Neuro

17th August 2015, 03:49 PM

Shami-Amourae

17th August 2015, 07:26 PM

Glass

17th August 2015, 07:44 PM

If Flat Earth was true it would take less time to travel around the world if you started in England traveling eastward, and ending up back at the same time compared to doing the same thing starting in Patagonia. If you look at the Flat Earth model the circumference down at the Patagonia level is far greater than the England path.

If the round Earth models true (which I believe it is,) then they should take about the same time.

But in the flat earth model the earth is not moving so it should be the same time to go from A to B and B to A. Or are you saying you would still travel in a circle, on a disk earth? So the circumference of a Southern hemisphere circle would be longer than a northern hemisphere one.

The FE argument of plane travel is that the earth is rotating West to East, so any journeys in that direction would take longer because the land you want to get to is going away from you AND consequently going from East to West would be much faster because the earth is moving under you at 26,000 miles per hour (or is that kms?)

Also in round Earth, pilots must continually adjust their trajectory downward so they are continually heading over the horizon, because if they didn't they would fly off into space. And because pilots don't do this, this proves the FE theory.

Here is the most recent Ball Earth Skeptic Round Table discussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3zUu0Owwa4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3zUu0Owwa4

Here is an invite for BE'there to join in and debunk FE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPsXxngfR1U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPsXxngfR1U

BrewTech

17th August 2015, 08:07 PM

So, all the other bodies around us are clearly (as in "I can see that with my own eyes") spherical, but just the Earth is flat? That's the theory?

Just trying to understand.

Glass

17th August 2015, 09:28 PM

things can be round and not spherical.

BrewTech

17th August 2015, 09:36 PM

things can be round and not spherical.

I didn't say round. I said SPHERICAL. I can tell the difference.

Maybe you have a problem with depth perception and seeing in 3 dimensions, but I do not.

Glass

17th August 2015, 09:41 PM

no I was answering your question. Flat earth does not mean NOT Round. It means not spherical. So celestial bodies might look round, but it doesn't mean they are spherical. Just sharing the theory as I comprehend it to be.

Shami-Amourae

17th August 2015, 10:24 PM

The FE argument of plane travel is that the earth is rotating West to East, so any journeys in that direction would take longer because the land you want to get to is going away from you AND consequently going from East to West would be much faster because the earth is moving under you at 26,000 miles per hour (or is that kms?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPsXxngfR1U

This is basic elementary physics...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz9OTpQJAUo

Glass

17th August 2015, 10:59 PM

This is basic elementary physics...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz9OTpQJAUo

yes, it is an explanation that explains a round earth or things tethered to each other with strings and things. What is gravity again? Is it a string or some other thing? We think it's a thing and have some theories to explain the affects that we see this force cause.

If I am flying to the moon, at what distance do I leave the orbit of the Earth? The orbit of the earth being a way of describing the reach of the gravitational force of the earth.

Glass

20th August 2015, 08:46 PM

The answer to the question is never. Going to the moon, you would not leave earths gravitational reach.

My fair city was once called the city of lights. Paris is considered the true city of lights but in 1962 a whole city turned on it's lights so a man in a can orbiting way up there could see us as he flew overhead.

On 20 February 1962, Perth became known worldwide as the "City of Light", as city residents lit their house lights and streetlights to celebrate American astronaut John Glenn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Glenn) on his orbit around the earth on Friendship 7 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendship_7).[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Perth,_Western_Australia#cite_note-18) The city repeated its feat as Glenn passed overhead on the Space Shuttle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle) in 1998.[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Perth,_Western_Australia#cite_note-19)[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Perth,_Western_Australia#cite_note-20)

https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/150821/cm3f3kzuaaazk03_1atd1dh-1atd1dm.jpg?x=656&sig=yatiBJJj6nlWSHTrccWTHg--

I wonder how this one was taken. With what and where on the ISS. A couple things I notice. Many many stars and a clear curve there. I think this is looking south.

Dogman

20th August 2015, 08:52 PM

The answer to the question is never. Going to the moon, you would not leave earths gravitational reach.

My fair city was once called the city of lights. Paris is considered the true city of lights but in 1962 a whole city turned on it's lights so a man in a can orbiting way up there could see us as he flew overhead.

https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/150821/cm3f3kzuaaazk03_1atd1dh-1atd1dm.jpg?x=656&sig=yatiBJJj6nlWSHTrccWTHg--

I wonder how this one was taken. With what and where on the ISS. A couple things I notice. Many many stars and a clear curve there. I think this is looking south.

yep!

South it is.. The stars shown are not seen in the northern hemisphere. Have spent many nights looking up with my telescopes and those star patterns are unknown to me.

Before I die one of the few things I want to see are the northern lights above the artic circle and then the southern cross and the large and small magellanic clouds.

Edit: Earth perspective of the stars in the picture you need to invert the picture upside down from as shown

PatColo

27th August 2015, 12:17 AM

This was just posted at Mami's. Haven't listened (it's 1h 52m) but it appears from the description plus Rodin's comment, that this key flat-earth advocate Eric Dubay also ventures into more "mainstream joo-wise truther areas of interest if not consensus opinions".... CONFLATING them all. SO, imagining joozmedia memetically engineers J6P's perceptions cleverly, eventually when one is labeled a "truther", J6P's Pavlovian-dog brain will think, "so that person believe all of A, B, C, X, Y, & Z", where one of those letters is "ball earth skeptic" as they call themselves, avoiding the already pejorative "flat earther" label.

Flat Earth Firestarters Eric Dubay and Sinead McCarthy August 26 2015 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2015/08/flat-earth-firestarters-eric-dubay-and.html)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqcz-zTJJgk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqcz-zTJJgk&feature=youtu.be

In this Firestarter radio interview we cover the Flat Earth, NASA, Freemasonry, Judaism, Veganism, Kosher Slaughter, Circumcision, Hitler, the Holocaust Hoax, Controlled Opposition, who really runs the world and why they have convinced you you are living on a spinning ball!

Audio Only Here

Download (http://k001.kiwi6.com/hotlink/gdazah3lhv/Flat_Earth_Firestarters_Eric_Dubay_and_Sinead_McCa rthy.mp3)

Eric Dubay's You Tube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA5jsa1lR9c)

A View from the Bog (http://outsideradio.blogspot.ie/)

Posted by delcroix (https://www.blogger.com/profile/04838891459471113991) at 8:26 PM 1 comment: (https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5440450620561193447&postID=7055489826525141655)

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rodin (https://www.blogger.com/profile/15893035888964367277) said...
Brilliant! Holocaust revisionism (ie debunking) conflated with flat Earth promotion...
August 27, 2015 at 12:18 AM (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2015/08/flat-earth-firestarters-eric-dubay-and.html?showComment=1440649084015#c41079810054917 40811)

Glass

27th August 2015, 11:45 PM

This guy is one of the founding fathers of the FE movement. The interview was clearly well planned and purposefully structured to cover all the main talking points for both the for and against teams.

I did not listen to this live or from the source. This version is the guests version and it's clear he has added in his supporting imagery at the appropriate places. I'm still having issues with several of the main aspects. one of the main ones is addressed within the first 3 minutes of that video.

My main issues are:
Up Vs Down.
For some reason flat earthers think that a round earth has an up and down or top and bottom. The north pole is the top and the south pole is the bottom. What is important about this is, that they claim nothing could be built on the sides of the planet pointing out. Those things was simply fall down, not down to the ground, but down to the south pole... towards the south pole.

I just can't get my head around how they could think this. On a round earth, down is the ground and up is the sky and "space". So the eiffel tower would fall over in the direction of south according to them. It's impossible to build things on the side of the earth if it is round.

Planes Flying into Space.
This one again. Planes apparently do not adjust for the falling away horizon. To stay within the same distance of the earth, planes would need to continually fly nose down to stay that distance. If they don't, they would fly off into space.

Rockets are an example of this in reverse. Rockets are launched and fly in an arc. The claim is, that to get to space you simply go up. Straight up. You will get to space. Going off to the side is a clear sign that rockets do not go into space, rather they go off to the horizon, out of view and splash down. The fact that "all" space launch facilities are near oceans is proof of this.

I think the Russian base -Baikonur is in the middle of land and no where near an ocean.

No thought is given to the concept of orbit and orbit insertion. The idea being you use the momentum to push the vehicle into earth orbit. If you go straight up, how do you get momentum to go around the planet? You would go up and come right back down again or keep right on going.

Gravity and the Two bodies concept.
According to gravity theory, two large bodies exert forces on each other that can reach a balance of forces so the objects achieve a balance of distance and force between them. The force of attraction, aka gravity reaches a balance with repelling or centrifugal forces.

The belief is that because 2 grains of sand or a basket ball and a baseball are not immediately attracted to each other when placed in proximity means that gravitational attraction is not what is happening. There is complete disregard for the constant influence of larger bodies such as the earth itself.

To me this suffers from lack of falsifiability for both camps. To test the FE hypothesis you would need to be in a location where there is no influence from other bodies, the moon, sun or earth for instance. We would need to go to some empty part of space to see what happens. To confirm the Globe earth gravity concept you would need to drill many kilometers into the mantle. Not possible at this time.

Planet Speed.
Why, if the planet is travelling at 24000 miles per day, can we feel the wind slamming us at 1000mph? How could planes fly from west to east at 500mph and keep up with the earth at 1000mph and land at their destination?

As to the wind, I would say some kind of inertia momentum. If we were here when the earth first started revolving and there was oxygen then, you would have felt it, until the whole inertia thing was overcome. After that it would be smooth going. Air is basically a liquid. It has all the characteristics of a liquid. Just a very very very thin one.

Captain Cook and a couple others
These guys sailed the southern seas looking for the Terra Australis (great southern land). They charted along the antarctic coast. It is claimed from the logs of these sailors that they traveled some 70,000 miles indicating that the Antarctic is a wall of ice that surrounds the flat earth and not a continent, because it would have taken only 8 or 10 thousand miles.

Looking at the maps showing the route Cook took, it is clear the whole journey was not around the antarctic but included several journeys into the tropics and then back down to the antarctic again. It was not a simple, sail down, then sail around journey, It was like a zig zag up and down. Sometimes as high as papua new guinea

To me it seems dishonest not to state this. I have not found any other journey information that would support what the FE guys say.

GPS System
It is not a tracking system. Is a positioning system. I posted on this previous. Won't go into again.

Eclipses of the Moon
It is not possible for the earth to eclipse the moon. I can't get my head around the thinking here. Need to ponder it some more. I think its relative assumption that only works if you think the moon and sun work in the same way for round earth as they would for flat earth. The claim seems to be that the sun, earth and moon could not line up in that order.

Sun and moon can never appear in the sky at the same item
On Round earth. yet they do.
Again. Not sure about this one. Clearly images show the two in the sky together. This is apparently not possible but I do not know why.

Sun changes size
When raversing the sky the sun will sometimes change size. The claim is that if you watch a sunset over land, the sun will shrink away to a small point as if it is traveling away, not going down below the horizon. When a sun rise or set it watched over water the sun can appear larger than normal. This is explained by this FE'ther as being caused by moisture in the air magnifying the sun. Now this is another one of those deductions that works both ways but the FE'ers use it for their model but dismiss it for the other guys. They use it how it suits them.

Things I do Agree with.
Pictures of Earth are mostly fakes.
They are images of earth at best but not pictures. Clearly manufactured. Cloud masses replicated several times.

Time lapse of earth rotation can show many hours of elapsed time but the clouds on the earth in those images never changes. The clouds do not move or change shapes during those many hours of time lapsed imagery. The most recent one of the moon traveling between the earth and a satellite is a perfect example. The clouds never change.

Looking at a couple other time lapse images of earth rotation seem to support this. Clouds are not changing at all.

Size of the continents.
There are many earth images. Some look like photography but many look like cartography - someone drew or illustrated them. In some of them the USA is massive or small but there is a clear discrepancy in the size of the USA in some images. It can be 2 times bigger in some than others.

Earth is A Pear.
NASA has said that the earth is not a perfect sphere and is pear shaped or squashed at the poles due to the weight of the ice caps. Problem is, all of NASA's earth photos show a perfect sphere.

Perhaps it is not a ball at all.

Moon landings were faked.
It seems NASA are faking it. Have been faking it for a long time. Not sure if justifies assuming everything is wrong because NASA is faking stuff. It is one of the arguments the FE'ers make in support of their position but then use that against the Ball earthers.

Can't think of the correct term to explain this right now. Its a kind of logical extension way of thinking.

NASA is clearly a Freemason operation. This provides the means to keep everything under wraps. The how could they keep it a secret question. Freemasonry.

Glass

31st August 2015, 07:29 PM

This episode was dedicated to giving air time to Ball Earthers who have become prominent in the movement. The movement being Ball Earth Vs Flat Earth.

John put out an invite to Ball Earthers to join the round table as per the 2nd video I posted in #50 of this thread.

I have not watched much of this. I got the feeling that the guy I was watching was talking without notes and while he did a good job he really needed some backup of other BE'thers and some crib notes. It was a bit awkward feeling on occasion. I want to get back to it soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTiKA23j80U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTiKA23j80U

Dogman

31st August 2015, 07:33 PM

This episode was dedicated to giving air time to Ball Earthers who have become prominent in the movement. The movement being Ball Earth Vs Flat Earth.

John put out an invite to Ball Earthers to join the round table as per the 2nd video I posted in #50 of this thread.

I have not watched much of this. I got the feeling that the guy I was watching was talking without notes and while he did a good job he really needed some backup of other BE'thers and some crib notes. It was a bit awkward feeling on occasion. I want to get back to it soon.

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTiKA23j80U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTiKA23j80U)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTiKA23j80U

BE ers or BS ers ?

;)

God I love lunatics for their entertainment value!

Sent from my Nexus 7

Glass

3rd September 2015, 07:47 PM

This is the season finale of the Ball Earth Skeptics Roundtable hosted by John Le Bon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz6G_Z1JM8Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz6G_Z1JM8Q

I've only listened to about 30 minutes of this one. Seems like a who's who of Ball Earth debunkers and a bit of a group back patting exercise. Starts off with the "One thing" that got each of them into the BE Skeptic scene.

Glass

8th September 2015, 12:10 AM

This one is pretty interesting. Some new material. Matthew Boylan (?) I think is a former NASA artist who used to fabricate the images used by NASA for distribution to the media, science etc regarding planets, moons etc.

Also has some George Carlin mixed in to remind us how corrupt the system is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk-i1k-eRcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk-i1k-eRcE

Worth a watch. Earth - Blue marble is photoshopped. The videos of the earth rotating are faked because they are faster rotating than actual - sped up and the clouds Do Not Move - change shape. They flow with the planet rotation but they don't change shape, which they should.

There are other interviews of this Matthew guy out there as well. A bit of a mix in quality, audio etc

Glass

8th September 2015, 12:13 AM

Edit: Ok so this image does not appear to be the new blue marble image. Not sure where it is from other than the discussion at the Nasa blog linked below.

NASA excusing why the world Famous, only the Second time a photo of the Earth has been taken in more than 40 years is FAKE.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/elegantfigures/2011/10/06/crafting-the-blue-marble/

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/elegantfigures/files/2011/10/globe_west_720.jpg

This image is clearly photoshopped. There is also supposed to be an image with Sex written in the clouds. I am not sure if it is this one or another one. I have not been able to see anything in this one other than the areas where they have repeated the clouds etc.

Glass

8th September 2015, 12:25 AM

This is the blue marble images. Left most image is the original one. Middle one is the new one from July 6th 2015. Far right is the 29th July 2015.\

http://i2.nyt.com/images/2015/08/21/science/bluemarble_updated/bluemarble_updated-jumbo.jpg

Need to spend some time looking up close.

Glass

8th September 2015, 09:37 PM

Buzz Aldrin: We threw our space suit back packs out of the luna module, to make it lighter for the lift off.

Only problem is: Where are they?
During the lift off of the Apollo 11 Luna module there was some footage filmed showing the complete module and area surrounding it. There are no back packs to be seen. There is nothing to be seen on the ground other than the feet of the luna module.

So where are the back packs?
How did you throw them out?
Did you just open up the door and heave them out?
Did the lunar module have an airlock?
Did someone keep their back pack, with all the oxygen and so on in it so they could open the airlock and chuck out the other astronauts gear?
What would have happened if some of that gear landed on one of the modules legs or feet?
Did they draw straws to see who would get to keep their kit?
What would happen if there was a decompression event on the way home?

Buzz Aldin, talk at Technik Museum. Not sure what this place is, but was in 2014.

First few minutes of this FE video: Impossible Spinning Ball

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV2gpjUxZpo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV2gpjUxZpo

I'm starting to think this should move into the religion sub forum.

Full presentation given by Buzz - Except that last 5 minutes are missing due to technical glitch. I wonder what Buzz revealed in those last few minutes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSu59S0_Ou0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSu59S0_Ou0

I'm convinced that NASA is a total scam. Still on the fence about the ball theory.

Glass

9th September 2015, 01:48 AM

Interesting presentation about the Foucault Pendulum. This Pendulum is the proof that the world is spinning. In fact it may only be the proof that something is spinning. Possibly earth, possibly something surrounding the earth.... like the aether, the holy ghost.??

I've just watched this, BUT it is good timing because Apparently the pendulum exhibits weird behaviour during a Solar Eclipse. We have a Solar Eclipse at the end of September, 28th. I think it starts at 00:11 or something September 28th US time. Not sure if that is WST, CST or EST.

It would be interesting to do an experiment at this time to see what happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4SkcMK94yw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4SkcMK94yw

I might look into setting up a pendulum, not sure what the requirements are, and watch it for a while before the 28th. Only issue is I have a Cat who will just think this is a new toy and not a potentially meme smashing experiment.

Other points: This effect is apparently called the Allais Effect. Wiki has some stuff on it which I understand is not correct, discovery date for one. Probably attributed to one of the family and not the real discoverer.

Glass

10th September 2015, 12:35 AM

here is the footage of the Apollo 11 crew jettisoning their back packs, or at least something from the landing module.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEAx-SCmZnQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEAx-SCmZnQ

As I expected, the pack or trash landed on one of the feet and legs. But of course, The landing module comes in 2 parts and the lower portion with the legs etc was left behind and did not need to lift off, so it is no impediment to lift off.

Remaining questions are:
How did they open the door and chuck them out?
Was there an airlock on the apollo 11 craft?
How many did they get rid of?
Did they keep one so the guy chucking the others out could do that?

Glass

10th September 2015, 12:49 AM

The Lunar module does not appear to have an airlock and as a result, it looks like all astronauts need to have their PLSS on. Portable Life Support Systems.

From the LM10 - LM14 Familiarization Manual:

After touchdown on the 1una.r surface, the two astronauts perform a. lunar surface IMU alignment and check all subsystems to determine whether damage occurred upon landing and to assure that all systems can perform the functions required for a. successful ascent. The decision is then made whether the nominal planned stay-time operations can be executed. If all the systems check out satisfactorily, the astronauts observe the surrounding 1una.r landscape, check the LM hatches, and perform a final check of the portable life support system (PLSS) in preparation for one of the astronauts to leave the LM. All equipment not essential for lunar stay is turned off. The astronauts don their PLSS and depressurize the cabin, open the forward hatch, and exit the vehicle to perform the first of four proposed extra.vehicu1a.r activities (EVA'S)

On the next page it reads:

Upon termination of the final EVA, the astronauts remove their PLSS and jettison all unnecessary equipment to the lunar surface. The LM is then prepared for launch; subsystems are activated and checked and an IMU alignment is performed. At a predetermined launch time, while tracking the CSM with the rendezvous radar, the ascent engine is ignited. The ascent stage of the LM separates from the descent stage and lifts off the lunar surface.

More on the operation of the Forward hatch. The module must be depressurized to open the Forward hatch

2-2.1 e 1% Forward Hatch. The forward hatch, in the front face assembly, is used for transfer of astronauts and equipment between the LM and the lunar surface. A cam latch assembly holds the hatch in the closed position; the assembly forces a lip, around the outer circumference of the hatch, into a elastomeric silicone compound seal that is secured to the vehicle structure. Cabin pressurization forces the hatch lip further into the seal, ensuring a pressure-tight contact. A cabin relief and dump valve is within the hatch structure. A handle is provided on both sides of the hatch, for latch operation. To open the hatch, the cabin must be depressurized,

Link to LM Familiarization Manual @ nasa.gov (https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/a14-43939523-LM10-LM14-Fam-Manual.pdf)

Link to other Apollo LM documents: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/alsj-LMdocs.html
(https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/alsj-LMdocs.html)
Still looking for other documents/drawings to show if there was an airlock on the LM. There definitely was not one on the orbit craft.

PatColo

10th September 2015, 12:46 PM

wow Glass, ur really into this FE biz! Before I got interested in the FE question, I'd want to know how "the correct answer" affects my day to day life? Local to Intl politics? With the 911 and subsequent frauds, the perps' agenda quickly became clear. Not so clear with FE?

FWIW, latest FE podcast that I'm aware of... haven't & prolly won't listen:

Fakeologist Audio Chat August 29 and 30 2015 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2015/09/fakeologist-audio-chat-august-29-and-30.html)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Q_-w_4qIK3Q/VaVM2lPI1XI/AAAAAAAAB_A/ObojCINtTRk/s640/kingsway%25281968%2529old1.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Q_-w_4qIK3Q/VaVM2lPI1XI/AAAAAAAAB_A/ObojCINtTRk/s1600/kingsway%25281968%2529old1.jpg)

Ab, Derealium and GeoFree.
Download (http://fakeologist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ac-aug_29_2015.mp3)

John le Bon responds to his critics.
Download (http://fakeologist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ac-aug_30_2015.mp3)

Schedule an audiochat for yourself here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OtEk_uVtrj8LTyGgt6qUefwCHqBGo_SWSGG76MD74PY/edit#gid=0)

Posted by delcroix (https://www.blogger.com/profile/04838891459471113991) at 1:57 PM 2 comments: (https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5440450620561193447&postID=8061620310123024091) (https://www.blogger.com/email-post.g?blogID=5440450620561193447&postID=8061620310123024091)

...but notice the 2nd comment from Negentropic there. He's bemoaning how "HIS (supposed) TRUTH" re no planes @ WTC (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?71312-Critical-of-JFetzer-amp-JFriend-s-No-Planes-WTC-campaign) & no-nukes/power (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?78716-The-Realist-Report-Are-nuclear-weapons-a-hoax) & whatever else he spams about, didn't merge with the FE-ers & grow their mutual follower numbers when they had the chance.

then in this new mami's blog entry, Overthrow Radio Network: Dave Gahary interviews David J. Dionisi about 9/11/2001 - Who’s the Bad Guy? radio talk show 9/9/2015 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2015/09/overthrow-radio-network-dave-gahary.html), Negentropic is spam blasting again, preemptively insulting everyone not on board with his (supposed) hoax obsession, with yada-hugger this, and yada-tard that smears... the sure 'tell' of a wedge-driving, punch bowl crapping agitprop shill. :(

Glass

10th September 2015, 01:18 PM

I still think it is a fascinating study of behaviour. Watching how people argue their position. The criticism mechanic against the other side by both FE and BE groups is interesting. Each claiming the other does such and such and then doing it themselves. One of the main criticisms is about trying to be unbiased when researching or discussing. Claiming those that don't question develop beliefs and those beliefs turn it into a faith based situation.

The BE's claiming science has settled the question and refusing to look into or explain generally accepted theories giving rise to the scientism faith, and FE's refusing to accept these accepted theories is some other kind of faith or belief. I think there is a bit of hypocrisy there on both sides.

I thought I would record some of the information I found about key arguments for FE and the accepted wisdoms of BE. Apollo missions and NASA feature heavily. Also learning some new stuff along the way.

I'm still trying to work out if it is a group of people running a troll or not.

PatColo

10th September 2015, 05:46 PM

good reply from fauxcapitalist (Jason Erb) to Negentropic re FE; 3rd comment, 3 comments: (https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5440450620561193447&postID=8061620310123024091)

https://www.blogger.com/img/blank.gif fauxcapitalist.com (http://fauxcapitalist.com/) said...Negentropic,

I also find the timing of all this flat Earth discussion to be very interesting.

I frankly haven't been researching any of it, because, first of all, there is a scientific process out there that seemingly isn't corrupted in terms of identifying whether the Earth is indeed flat or not, unlike climate change, the Big Bang theory or AIDS. I am unaware of any prominent scientist blowing the whistle, like is the case with the other three that I mentioned.

As I have said on Ab's show in relation to other things like his contention that nuclear power is fake, or that satellites don't exist, is that you should expect to see some prominent scientists saying it's not possible, etc., and unless someone can point to that, I don't feel that there is much heat there in terms of a total scam.

I recently learned that Eric Dubay has called out Mark Sargent as a shill, and I wouldn't at all be surprised, because of Sargent saying, for instance, that the Moon is a projection. That sounds so outlandish when you consider the historical records from thousands of years ago talking about the Moon.

Second of all, I haven't researched the contention that the Earth is flat because it is held up as the quintessential case of quackery, which I don't have a problem with just on its face, but in combination with seemingly no prominent scientist blowing the whistle on it.

It smacked me of being part of the almost everything is fake meme, which I regard as incorrect and part of a deliberate disinfo campaign by some, and by others, as unwitting dupes who fall for "keeping an open mind," while lacking appropriate discernment.

I think Sargent likely is a shill, in combination with him being on Coast to Coast AM, and likely specifically because he doesn't talk about Jews or the Holocaust being faked to a big extent, unlike Eric Dubay.

But on the other hand, having someone talk about the Flat Earth and the Holocaust being faked can also be used as controlled opposition, even if that researcher isn't deliberately controlled opposition, as most people won't even consider that the Holocaust narrative was faked in a big way in terms of the numbers and various allegations, so even though Sargent may be a likely first-tier direct controlled opposition agent, there is the need for serious researchers of Flat Earth who aren't going and saying other controversial things, but at the same time, that could be a sign of serious research, as once you see fakery in one big story, you should see it in others, and unless you are into this somewhat professionally, you wouldn't be expected to refrain from talking about certain issues as a matter of strategy, in the way that Kevin MacDonald likely doesn't talk about the Holocaust purely as a matter of strategy.

September 10, 2015 at 11:51 AM

Glass

10th September 2015, 07:25 PM

I think this comment sums up the situation but I would take a somewhat opposing stance to his.

I frankly haven't been researching any of it, because, first of all, there is a scientific process out there that seemingly isn't corrupted in terms of identifying whether the Earth is indeed flat or not, unlike climate change, the Big Bang theory or AIDS. I am unaware of any prominent scientist blowing the whistle, like is the case with the other three that I mentioned.

Saying the scientific "system" is completely corrupted while requiring a "scientist" to be the one who puts this forward. It's that catch 22 hypocrisy I was talking about.

The concept has been put forward many times by many people but alas they might not be scientists.

I wonder how many scientists NASA actually has. What defines scientist? I assume it is some kind of paperwork supporting a degree in a scientific discipline. Without this piece of paper, no one has the authority to talk about scientific things.

Glass

10th September 2015, 07:33 PM

I read some more of the LM Familiarization manual. I skimmed some of the more technical stuff such as how some of the control banks work But the document is fairly detailed in terms of giving a good over view of what the craft was designed to do. Auto Pilot for orbital navigation, insertion etc. It's clear there was a lot of logical planning put into the crafts.

There was further mention of the Astronauts suits that they wore under their space suits. These things plug into water cooling and other various systems.

It would seem logical that they would be able to either connect those to cooling systems inside the craft or to the systems in their PLSS back packs. I have not looked for a more detailed explanation of how the suits actually work and interconnect to other systems to know for sure. It does look like they were connected to on board systems but I don't know if they were in their EVA suits or not for decompression and those can work with either on board or back pack systems.

The Jeranism FE guy was the one who raised the point of Aldrin saying they jettisoned gear. He was dubious as I was when I heard him mention it. I followed the link to that presentation.

It was also Jeranism who went looking for and found the video of the jettisoning. What he believes about it I don't know but it is worth mentioning, found and doubted, ridiculed a bit then went looking to make sure, found it was true and brought that forward as well. An indication he is open minded on the subject, perhaps more so than others.

PatColo

10th September 2015, 10:31 PM

I think this comment sums up the situation but I would take a somewhat opposing stance to his.

Saying the scientific "system" is completely corrupted while requiring a "scientist" to be the one who puts this forward. It's that catch 22 hypocrisy I was talking about.

The concept has been put forward many times by many people but alas they might not be scientists.

I wonder how many scientists NASA actually has. What defines scientist? I assume it is some kind of paperwork supporting a degree in a scientific discipline. Without this piece of paper, no one has the authority to talk about scientific things.

on "corrupted official science", KB's latest show, 1 hr:

Truth Jihad radio with Kevin Barrett 2015.09.09 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2015/09/truth-jihad-radio-with-kevin-barrett_10.html)

http://i58.tinypic.com/vy136u.jpg (http://i58.tinypic.com/vy136u.jpg)

André Vltchek: "The West spreads intellectual idiocy!"

Truth Jihad Radio's roving correspondent Andre Vltchek - a contributor to We Are NOT Charlie Hebdo (http://wearenotcharliehebdo.blogspot.com/) - writes in his new article "The West spreads intellectual idiocy" (http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/21/the-west-spreads-intellectual-idiocy/):

"Could any dictator desire more? Almost the entire population of the Empire is now thinking the same way! The populace is 'educated' at schools and the universities staffed with submissive, and cowardly teachers and professors. The populace is 'informed' by hundreds of thousands of servile journalists and 'analysts'. There is almost no deviation from the official narrative. Congratulations, Western Empire! You have succeeded where others tried but failed. You have achieved almost absolute obedience and discipline, a total servility."

Having been driven out of the American academy for the crime of critical thinking, (http://debate911.blogspot.com/) I suspect that André may be right. Listen and decide for yourself.

We also discuss Andre's trip to Iran, whose alternative civilizational model looks pretty good by comparison with the dumbed-down decadence of the West.

Kevin's blog (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.ca/)
TruthJihad.com (http://truthjihad.com/)

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Glass

20th September 2015, 07:44 PM

I'm trying to grasp what the point Jeranism is making here. I'm finding it difficult to grasp the conclusion. Maybe someone else can get it or confirm what I think the conundrum here is.

For some reason the presenter considers the North Pole, the UP of the Earth and the South Pole is the DOWN of the earth BUT only when thinking about a globe earth. I'm struggling to comprehend how this perception can be the one he is working with and maybe I am missing something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Xi6Z4Fvwc

on a globe, the UP is the sky and DOWN is the earth. This applies everywhere on the earth. This would also apply on a flat earth, but for some reason when the world becomes round, UP is north and DOWN is south. strange IMO.

Dogman

20th September 2015, 08:02 PM

I'm trying to grasp what the point Jeranism is making here. I'm finding it difficult to grasp the conclusion. Maybe someone else can get it or confirm what I think the conundrum here is.

For some reason the presenter considers the North Pole, the UP of the Earth and the South Pole is the DOWN of the earth BUT only when thinking about a globe earth. I'm struggling to comprehend how this perception can be the one he is working with and maybe I am missing something.

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Xi6Z4Fvwc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Xi6Z4Fvwc)

on a globe, the UP is the sky and DOWN is the earth. This applies everywhere on the earth. This would also apply on a flat earth, but for some reason when the world becomes round, UP is north and DOWN is south. strange IMO. I am quite certain that you and your Ken think that those of us that live in the northern latitudes ARE the ones upside down!

Grinning

And the dam thing is we are Both right!

Hoot!

;D

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StreetsOfGold

21st September 2015, 08:48 PM

With the 911 and subsequent frauds, the perps' agenda quickly became clear. Not so clear with FE?

Those who are NOT saved will have a harder time getting the "WHY" behind this fraud.

Glass

22nd September 2015, 01:02 AM

The Vacuum of Space.

This subject comes up quite a bit with the FE crowd. The premise is that: It is clear space is a fraud because if there was an outer space that is a vacuum, it would suck the earths atmosphere away.

The misnomer here is that the word Vacuum means to suck, like a vacuum cleaner. Vacuum cleaners do not create vacuums. They create negative pressure which is what causes things to get sucked up along with the air.

The vacuum of space is does not represent some kind of latent sucking force. The vacuum of space is merely something that is devoid of something else, called air. It is not under any significant pressure. It is simply empty. Vacuous.

A space craft needs to withstand an external atmospheric pressure of 1 unit. Ignoring the movement of the craft between the atmosphere and space where speeds and temperatures cause other forces. So it's probably capable of withstanding more pressure but not pressure caused by a vacuum.

Shami-Amourae

22nd September 2015, 01:44 AM

PatColo

24th September 2015, 02:09 PM

crazz files

he Flat Earth With David Weiss Posted on September 24, 2015 by The Crazz Files (http://crazzfiles.com/author/adam/) in Podcasts (http://crazzfiles.com/category/podcasts/) // 0 Comments

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The question has been asked, “is the earth flat?” A question so ridiculous that it doesn’t warrant the time to even look at any evidence if there could possibly be any. That thought right there is a sign of an amazing, beyond belief indoctrination system. For 6 months I ignored all the requests to watch videos and look into the possibility of the earth being flat.

It’s just complete and utter ridiculousness and not worth a minute of my time. Right?

People don’t like finding out they have been lied to and a lie so massive would rock the foundation they stand on. I’m not saying the earth is flat but there is no solid evidence that the earth is a sphere. Just lies and dogma.

Research yourself, have the courage to look at the facts, dismiss the lies and break free from the complete control lie system. Ask yourself, what is going on?

http://deepinsidetherabbithole.com/Is_the_earth_a_ball_.html
https://www.facebook.com/ExposingTheBigThree?fref=ts
https://www.facebook.com/ballearthskeptic
Youtube Links:
Quantum locking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVUiaPXOP_w
Gravity vs the vacuum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjXFkzi8oZQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjXFkzi8oZQ)
How the sun works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY0xhUOL3vM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY0xhUOL3vM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU0-ASniLvE

Glass

24th September 2015, 10:41 PM

Flat Earther Jeranism to be joined by The Principle Exec Producer Robert Sungenis on Monday 28th Sept 2015 @ 6pm PST.

I posted in the Geocentrism thread: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62820-Geocentrism&p=793180#post793180

Glass

25th September 2015, 12:09 AM

Curvature of the Earth.
The contention is, that using a formula to determine how much curvature there is over a given distance of the earth, can help determine how much of a tall object such as a building or a light house should be visible at that distance.

One of the key pieces of information supporting the FE argument that no curvature exists is an even that happened over lake Michigan. I mentioned this one previously, that the buildings of Chicago could be seen right down to ground level from the opposite side of Lake Michigan and given the distance, this should not be possible. Some or all of the buildings should have been blocked from view by the earth itself.

Now this video contains the images I have seen elsewhere as stills. So we can see that the event did occur. Was it because the earth is actually flat and there was nothing for the buildings to go behind... aka earth itself.

The video also includes an explanation AND that explanation will be very familiar to any Ham Radio operators or radio operators in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sekn2jbXSkY

What he is describing is something called an inversion. I have experienced these in radio terms but not in visual terms. I was dubious it was actually a thing in the visual spectrum. An inversion causes radio signals to be channeled in a stream of cooler air when he surrounding air is warmer. Correct me if I got that back to front. Its usually in the summer months. This causes the signal to travel much further than it would normally be.

I have made radio contact with people operating on frequencies that generally only have 10 - 15 kms good range. Maybe 20. So about 8 - 10 miles. Maybe as far a s 12mi. These people have been 180kms or just over 100 miles away.

This video is of a guy in Melbourne who wanted to test this curvature question. Here is his video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WiGpZzz9jQ

He went to several locations and took video/images of Melbourne across a large body of water called Port Phillip Bay near Geelong. It's clear from his images that the buildings are below the horizon by a significant amount. As he indicates if he was lower to the water level by another foot or so, there would be even less visible buildings.

PatColo

25th September 2015, 07:31 AM

Glass, did you listen to the Crazz Files show?? I didn't but I might. Is it any good?

Since you got way more immersed in this question than I, or prolly anyone else @ gsus; which side of the BE/FE-question fence are you leaning at the moment?

Glass

25th September 2015, 05:33 PM

Pat,

I haven't watched it yet. These FE guys like to talk. A lot of these YT's they post are 2.5 - 3.5 hours long. Mostly it's just shooting the shit or ridiculing NASA or some stupid ball earther or something.

For me, I think the earth is round, I appear to be standing on it. Things are spinning around. From my vantage point I can't tell what around which, but I'm confident something is going on. I'm not confident about NASA and what they have said they have done and what they say they are doing now. But I think these are glancing topics not wholly dependent on each other. NASA being a fraud doesn't equate to the earth being flat, if you get my drift.

I hope people looking into this topic might stumble upon this thread and get some reasonable answers to some of the interesting questions the FE'ers are posing. That's really the point of my posts.

BrewTech

27th September 2015, 08:14 PM

The moon just disappeared in the shadow of a body that is either spherical or flat. If it were flat it wouldn't have been obscured in the way I am directly observing.
Flat Earthers can suck it

Glass

27th September 2015, 11:37 PM

The moon just disappeared in the shadow of a body that is either spherical or flat. If it were flat it wouldn't have been obscured in the way I am directly observing.
Flat Earthers can suck it

A flat earther might ask why doesn't the moon block out part of the sun each month as it passes between the earth and sun. we should get an eclipse every month?

Glass

27th September 2015, 11:41 PM

Neuro

28th September 2015, 02:14 AM

While i am in this thread I'll post this one Jeranism posted today. Says he's found where they are filming the mars rover material from. A remote island in Greenland. Have only watched about 1/3rd but looked pretty convincing.

The terrain certainly looks like what they show us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpdBSrANbb4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpdBSrANbb4
I think it is entirely possible that the photos of the Mars rover is from Devon island, but what would really convince me is if they could show photos of identical scenery...

Neuro

28th September 2015, 02:37 AM

A flat earther might ask why doesn't the moon block out part of the sun each month as it passes between the earth and sun. we should get an eclipse every month?
Because usually the moon and earth are not perfectly aligned with the sun every month...

Glass

28th September 2015, 03:38 AM

Because usually the moon and earth are not perfectly aligned with the sun every month...

I think this is a good explanation and backs up what you are saying:
http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar-eclipse-frequency.html

palani

28th September 2015, 04:55 PM

A flat earther might ask why doesn't the moon block out part of the sun each month as it passes between the earth and sun. we should get an eclipse every month?

I have an alternate theory to both FLAT EARTH and HELIOCENTRIC theories. The center of my universe lies in the middle of my head while the center of your universe might lie in the middle of your head.

Neuro

28th September 2015, 05:19 PM

I have an alternate theory to both FLAT EARTH and HELIOCENTRIC theories. The center of my universe lies in the middle of my head while the center of your universe might lie in the middle of your head.
From your point of view you are probably correct!

Dogman

28th September 2015, 05:22 PM

For most it is directly behind the eyes and between the ears...

Where those two planes intersect and a tad north (up) from both sets at that intersection..

;)

palani

29th September 2015, 09:42 AM

it is directly behind the eyes and between the ears...

Here is my head

http://ieatishootipost.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/FishHead.jpg

Glass

2nd October 2015, 12:00 AM

MarkSargent is a FE'er. He does shows on TRN.

He has had 2 military people on his chat shows. Talking about the Coriolis affect. This one comes up frequently. It is the idea that the spin of the earth affects the trajectory of an object such as a missile or a bullet. I don't know if this is a North South thing or not.

The contention is that because sharpshooters, missile battery engineers and targetters and planes(?) do not adjust for this affect, it is evidence that the earth is not spinning like a ball on an axis.

This show has an ex Navy Submarine Chief Electronics Tech join them to discuss the planes of the ocean - submarines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFi98T8phoI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFi98T8phoI

Other topics discussed to the 1 hr 20 mark include:
GPS is not space based because it does not track planes in the southern hemisphere ocean areas. Once they get bout 200miles from the coast line they drop off the tracking system

My comments (as previously posted here) : GPS is not a tracking system. It is a s positioning system. The plane report their position to land based transponders. If no transponder in range, then no GPS report.

Planes do not adjust downwards to take into account the curvature of the earth as it falls away from the craft.

My comments : again. Planes fly with an angle of attack, an area of the underside of the plane leads the direction of flight, not the nose. The nose is pointed slightly up during flight.

Now this next topic gets interesting. Comes in at about the half way mark
ISS - Space Station and Air. Being on a Submarine, this guy has some interesting knowledge about the issue of air and oxygen. It is worth listening to what he says. I am not sure I will get it exactly right.

The longest a submarine he has been on, that has stayed underwater, without going for fresh air is 72 days.

He says that people breathe in air and breath out toxins. Carbon monoxide being the main one. Also any machinery being used will produce some carbon monoxide. Being these are toxins he says the only way to get rid of them is to actually dump them overboard. Basically I think he means venting to the surrounding water.

Then he says, people think it's an easy solution just to pump in some pure oxygen to make up the oxygen consumed BUT this creates problems with pressure AND it's the pressure that ensures our lungs get enough air through them and consequently enough oxygen from the air. If the air volume is not there, you don't get enough oxygen.

He says you can't just pump in more oxygen because you get pressure drops and you get an imbalance of the elements of oxygen. We know it's mostly nitrogen, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide and oxygen BUT there is also Hydrogen. He says over a period of time you will get a dangerous imbalance that will either put everyone to permanent sleep or go boom.

He says it's not possible to operate something like the ISS without refreshing the whole of the air supply, with air from time to time and not just the constituents of air because of these other problems.

He concludes that this has never occurred on the ISS. The other thing raised at this point is that the ISS does not appear to have any bulkhead doors on it. These would enable them to lock out specific sections of the ISS in case some part had become damaged.

There is also an interview with the missile guy on the channel. Have not listened to it yet.

https://www.youtube.com/user/markksargent/videos

Glass

4th October 2015, 11:45 PM

This is the first part of what looks like a 12 part interview with Robert Sungenis. Robert is the Producer (?) behind the movie "The Principle". Relating to Geocentrism.

I do not know why this is broken into so many parts. Usually these FE guys post their shows in one piece. It may be that Jeranism was not the one who recorded these and the recorder person was limited in some way. Don't know.

Have not listened to much yet. The segment I did start listening happened to be about explaining what Gravity was. There seemed to be some contention in that discussion and maybe some exasperation. Robert is a believer in the Globe Earth, Geocentric model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ycxm0tg1M8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ycxm0tg1M8

Glass

12th October 2015, 12:33 AM

I listened to a few parts of the Sungenis interview. Not all but it was good for what I listened to. He has some good technical answers regarding gravity and a few other things. I think he points out a couple FE issues, although I suspect FE has now becoming a faith.

The FE'ers are claiming that because no one has debunked them since February, this proves they are right. Otherwise someone would have by now, right?

A couple other YT's I've watched/listened to.

Google is going to launch Geo Synchronous Balloons. the Google "Loons" Project. This proves definitively that the GPS network and Satellites are not space based.
Jeranism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p22LSKPUxJk

Mark Sargent on a net Talk Show. Not debunked since February so must be right. Keeps erroneously bringing up the GPS network as a tracking system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DiRiQem9EQ

I'll keep posting about the GPS in the hope someone gets it.

Glass

15th October 2015, 12:25 AM

The last couple weeks have been interesting when it comes to the Space Agencies.

A month or so ago NASA released a "video" of the moon passing between a satellite and Earth. Suggesting that the moon is an actual celestial body.

This past week NASA released approx 10,000 "refurbished/recovered" images from the Apollo missions. This is after NASA lost 7000 cartons/boxes of film from the Apollo missions.

The President announce a new Earth image, which apparently was recently taken by NASA and updates the 1970's picture of Earth, which today appears to be the only image of Earth. All other images are composite - meaning they are not real images. They are fabricated.

Some time ago Neil deGrasse Tyson - apparently a leading Astro Physicist stated that the earth is not actually round, it is a kind of squashed shape and it was squashed from the top and bottom. Then he said, either in the same discussion or a new one, That the earth is actually pear shaped. It is bigger in the southern hemisphere than the northern. They have some kind of name for this shape.

The problem is, All images of Earth are perfectly symetrical. The images show the earth is perfectly round. It does not show any kind of deformation and especially not a pear shape.

So he appears to be a BS artist.

During a Sunday Football game this past weekend, deGrasse Tyson tweeted that the Coriolis effect caused the ball to bounce from the cross bar and then over the bar. So the following professions do not take into affect the coriolis effect even though they would be affected:
Pilots
Submariners
Gunners - rifle and howitzers etc

Another FE online chat which I think went through Truth Radio Network. This one is hosted by Mark Sargent, I think.

Discusses a few bits and pieces this week including some of the above.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m5QqdEuvec

This is interesting in that the guys cover a letter from a Seals and Valves expert. Like the submariner he talks about how they manage the air. It would not be possible to maintain suitable oxygen levels on the ISS, without getting fresh air from earth.

This guy goes onto talk about why the ISS has no seals between sections of the craft as per a ship or submarine has. He also talks about general seals and so on. That they would a) not exist because there is no known seal tech or material that can with stand the conditions of space and b) they would need constant replacing.

He also wants to know where are the maintenance crews who are swapping out all of these parts, seals, pumps, valves etc. They would need a crew working on this task constantly.

Another thing the Submariner guy said was, All Navy vessels have a workshop on board with Lathes, drill presses and all manner of tools so that they can manufacture spare parts on board as needed.

The ISS does not appear to have any kind of workshop on board. If it did, it would weight several tonnes as the machinery is very heavy. So realistically not possible.

There does not appear to be any supply vessels carrying air up there.

Glass

16th October 2015, 01:59 AM

Astronauts to the Moon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAVvDaJFVRs

Glass

21st October 2015, 11:05 PM

Interesting Story. You have probably seen the story. It's a feel good one but it has an interesting angle.

The head line might be something like this:

Woman Gives birth to baby on flight from Bali to Los Angeles.

But it should be something like this:

Plane on flight from Bali to Los Angeles DIVERTS to Alaska.
A China Airlines flight landed in Alaska with an extra passenger after an expectant mother gave birth to a baby girl more than eight weeks early.

The Bali to Los Angeles flight was forced to make an emergency landing on Thursday after a Taiwanese passenger's waters broke six hours into the 19 hour journey.

A doctor who happened to be on board the flight - which took off from Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport at 11.50pm on Wednesday - delivered the premature baby at 30,000ft after the crew asked passengers for medical help.

Daily Mail UK (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3270382/Caught-camera-amazing-moment-woman-gives-birth-premature-baby-girl-30-000ft-Bali-Los-Angeles-flight-crew-passengers-helping-out.html).

The flat earth contention suggests that you cannot fly from say Sydney to Chile by going across the Pacific ocean - around the globe. The contention is that you have to go via the Northern hemisphere.

This plane was going from Bali, Indonesia to Los Angeles. Easy enough, you fly east from Indonesia and you pass Hawaii and End up at Los Angeles.

So why did the plane divert to ALASKA?
Why did it not go on to Los Angeles or to Hawaii?

The reason could be that the earth is flat and they do not fly east from Indonesia BUT that they fly north over Alaska and down by Canada to the US of A?

Looking at the FE representation of the globe below you can see such a path.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/glassgold/FE/theworld-1_zpsnjsiwa9c.jpg

Neuro

21st October 2015, 11:23 PM

Interesting Story. You have probably seen the story. It's a feel good one but it has an interesting angle.

The head line might be something like this:

But it should be something like this:

Daily Mail UK (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3270382/Caught-camera-amazing-moment-woman-gives-birth-premature-baby-girl-30-000ft-Bali-Los-Angeles-flight-crew-passengers-helping-out.html).

The flat earth contention suggests that you cannot fly from say Sydney to Chile by going across the Pacific ocean - around the globe. The contention is that you have to go via the Northern hemisphere.

This plane was going from Bali, Indonesia to Los Angeles. Easy enough, you fly east from Indonesia and you pass Hawaii and End up at Los Angeles.

So why did the plane divert to ALASKA?
Why did it not go on to Los Angeles or to Hawaii?

The reason could be that the earth is flat and they do not fly east from Indonesia BUT that they fly north over Alaska and down by Canada to the US of A?

Looking at the FE representation of the globe below you can see such a path.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/glassgold/FE/theworld-1_zpsnjsiwa9c.jpg
I think if you look at a globe there wouldn't be that much difference in distance going the Alaska route vs going via Hawaii. It may be a bit longer, but if you go up the east coast of Asia and then down the West coast of America, you have more options of emergency landings if necessary as the one above, and maybe that is the main decisive factor for the airline in choosing a slightly longer route...

Another thing, looking at that map Australia is larger than Russia.

Glass

22nd October 2015, 12:31 AM

Another Perspective?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NH5-CaHt14

Glass

22nd October 2015, 12:35 AM

Raw Dogs Dad? Talking to Globe Earth Tards

NOT SAFE FOR WORK etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t6do42j0xg

Guys got passion.

Horn

22nd October 2015, 01:28 AM

Raw Dogs Dad? Talking to Globe Earth Tards

Guys got passion.

I tried to stay away from this thread as long as possible, and yours is the post I clicked into it at.

I'd say half brother from another mother.

Wonder if he ever looked out the window of any of those many planes he's been on?

Horn

22nd October 2015, 01:48 AM

I think it is entirely possible that the photos of the Mars rover is from Devon island, but what would really convince me is if they could show photos of identical scenery...

It'd be a great place to match the weather conditions, no?

There should be a time date stamp somewhere in those photos, unless the google earth screws with it.

Glass

22nd October 2015, 05:02 AM

Listened to another chin wag show with Mark Sargent and a couple other people. It goes out on truth network something.

Curvature of the Earth.
Seems this is a keystone in the FE position. The curve of the earth is such that over distance object should be obscured by the earth, but they are not. Have posted some videos on this here and other thread. The Michigan mirage and one by a friend of John Le Bon across Port Phillip Bay in Victoria.

FE endorsed formula for measuring how far down the horizon the distant object is.

Distance in miles X ( 8 x 8 ) = Over horizon drop.

If the distance is far enough the drop should be so great that the object would be noticeably obscured or completely. Real life examples are not supporting this.

Objects should also be tilting away. A sky scraper should visibly lean away from the observer because it is perpendicular to the earth underneath it. Observations over distance suggest that buildings remain parallel to a plane between the observer and the building.

Visual Line of Sight Calculations dependent on Earth's Curvature

How does one calculate a visual line of sight for objects at a given height that are distant enough that the Earth's curvature needs to be considered? Why might a photographer find such information useful? Some examples of what one might want to know: Whether or not a distant mountain can be seen from the top of another mountain. By how many degrees the rising full moon will be blocked by a distant mountain range in order to estimate whether it might be bathed in warm sunset light. Whether an alpine lake will catch sunset alpenglow or be blocked by a nearby ridge to the west. The Earth has a radius of approximately 3965 miles. Using the Pythagorean theorem, that calculates to an average curvature of 7.98 inches per mile or approximately 8 inches per mile.
http://www.davidsenesac.com/Information/line_of_sight.jpg

More here.

He doesn't give a formula which makes it difficult to assess what the numbers are. It says to me distance in miles X 8 and not X ( 8 X 8 )?

His numbers look like the are inline with what the FE people are saying. You want to find the height of the chord at the tangent point.

palani

22nd October 2015, 05:33 AM

FE endorsed formula for measuring how far down the horizon the distant object is.
If I recall my HO214 celestial navigation one part of the calculation is the height of the sextant above sea level. The height determines where the horizon is going to appear at while on the ocean. Since the object of celestial navigation is to determine the high altitude angle of a star from the horizon the height of the sextant is required to correct the small angle difference created by varying heights.

A star has a GP (geographic position) on earth that is directly underneath it. Since you will likely not be fortunate enough to measure a 90 degree angle between the star and the horizon you go instead for stars that have GP's only a couple hundred miles away from where you are. Collect the readings from three of such stars and when you plot the readings from the known GP you should get three circles intersecting at a single point. You then call this a 'fix' and take your present course speed and the time to perform the calculations and project the fix to another position that you call a 'running fix'.

Anyway, that is my story and I am sticking to it.

Glass

22nd October 2015, 05:54 AM

Would this method work regardless of the earths shape?

palani

22nd October 2015, 06:00 AM

Would this method work regardless of the earths shape?

Nope.

The curvature of the earth is what creates the horizon.

Plus the round earth results in the mast of sailing ships becoming visible before the hull appears on the horizon.

But theories are just that; a topic for conversation.

I flew in a Lear jet several times. It went up high enough to be able to start seeing the curvature (winter ... 10 below zero ... clear sky)

Glass

22nd October 2015, 06:22 AM

yes I've flown quite a bit. I recall that windows were portal shaped but I don't know that portal shaped openings translate into a convex lens windows creating a kind of fish eye effect, causing the appearance of a curved earth.

The last couple times I flew, the windows were no longer portal shaped and made from some kind of electric dimming glass. They might have a top to bottom curve but I didn't see any fish eye lens effect. Too cloudy to see the distant horizon.

I have seen ships go over the horizon with the naked eye and then through a telescope. I was able to still see the boat. It was an oddity I recall from when I was a child. It puzzled me for a short while. These days I might put it down to refraction.

Horn

22nd October 2015, 10:22 AM

I have seen ships go over the horizon with the naked eye and then through a telescope. I was able to still see the boat. It was an oddity I recall from when I was a child. It puzzled me for a short while. These days I might put it down to refraction.

Did the ship make it to where it was going, or was it in the news the next day that it fell off the edge of the flat Earth?

What are we suggesting here, that the Earth is "totally tubular"?

or a flat parasitic tube worm?

madfranks

22nd October 2015, 11:11 AM

Did the ship make it to where it was going, or was it in the news the next day that it fell off the edge of the flat Earth?

What are we suggesting here, that the Earth is "totally tubular"?

or a flat parasitic tube worm?

The earth is actually 1-dimensional, linear. There are no edges at the end, just points.

palani

22nd October 2015, 11:13 AM

The earth is actually 1-dimensional, linear.

Is it a wave or a particle?

Horn

22nd October 2015, 11:20 AM

The earth is actually 1-dimensional, linear. There are no edges at the end, just points.

Points suggests vectors (edge) in connection.

like a six pointed start? these "points" would need a linear and finite number not in any way associated to a pi ~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-R8gHj_7v8

Neuro

22nd October 2015, 12:11 PM

The earth is actually 1-dimensional, linear. There are no edges at the end, just points.
Hahahaaaah. Genius. I suspect you are right! Ban maps! ;D

madfranks

22nd October 2015, 01:33 PM

Is it a wave or a particle?

Because waves travel along the X and Y axes, that would make them 2-dimensional. By way of deduction, that would mean the earth is a particle.

Dogman

22nd October 2015, 01:38 PM

Because waves travel along the X and Y axes, that would make them 2-dimensional. By way of deduction, that would mean the earth is a particle.

You forgot two!

Z and Theta !

Which true waves travel through !

XYZ and Theta (rotation)

As far as particles if you break any object down into their submicroscopic and past their atomic level, everything is made up of waves and particles, tho if one goes by quantum theory, which makes my head hurt.

;D

palani

22nd October 2015, 01:59 PM

if you break any object down into their submicroscopic and past their atomic level, everything is made up of waves and particles
Observation eliminates waves and results in particles only.

If you don't observe then the Earth can be anything you would like. Once you observe you change the laws by which it exists. This is true of other things as well.

Dogman

22nd October 2015, 02:07 PM

Observation eliminates waves and results in particles only.

If you don't observe then the Earth can be anything you would like. Once you observe you change the laws by which it exists. This is true of other things as well. Going by theory just observing or trying to record them will change them. So that makes it imposable to directly measure them.

Spooky !

;D

Horn

22nd October 2015, 02:14 PM

Dogs and men stand in natural opposition to quantum theory as they are mostly round too.

Dogman

22nd October 2015, 02:27 PM

Dogs and men stand in natural opposition to quantum theory as they are mostly round too.

Kudos for being your spooky self!

Sent from my Nexus 7

madfranks

22nd October 2015, 03:07 PM

You forgot two!

Z and Theta !

Which true waves travel through !

XYZ and Theta (rotation)

As far as particles if you break any object down into their submicroscopic and past their atomic level, everything is made up of waves and particles, tho if one goes by quantum theory, which makes my head hurt.

;D

XY & Z would be three dimensions, and if waves travel through all three like you say, maybe the earth really is a sphere. Some hypothesize that higher physical dimensions exist, where hyper-cubes, hyper-spheres, etc. exist, but because we are limited to 3 dimensions of movement, we cannot see them, just as the poor stick figure drawn on a 2-dimesional sheet of paper cannot fathom the world of 3 dimensions.

I prefer the 1-dimensional view of earth, because it is much simpler, and easy to understand. When my brain hurts, I just pretend the world is zero-dimensions, with no movement allowed in any direction, at any time.

Glass

29th October 2015, 01:35 AM

This video by Jeranism proves without any doubt that the earth is flat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEqDbsPUgH8

A couple things. As I have watched this FE on Youtube community evolve there have been some interesting social dynamics develop.

One of the main ones has been the FE doctrine and faith vibe. These guys like Jeran, who are the more prolific YT posters have reached the point of enlitenment on the FE situation and now it is not possible to question the FACT that the earth is indeed flat.

While preaching for people to have an open mind and criticising the scientific community and the general community for being close minded, it has been interesting to see that in many cases the FE proponents are now suffering from a closed mind. The very thing they criticised themselves.

There is also the FE truthers statements that since they have not been contacted by the head of NASA or any of the worlds leading scientists and physicists to show them the unequivocal truth and that most of 2015 has now passed, then they must be right about their FE stance. Quite a humourous position to take on these matters, in my mind. Because they posted a YT, the head of NASA is supposed to call them up and set them straight if they are wrong.

Now this video is interesting in that it is using the very principles that describe why the earth is not flat, to prove that it is. He's done a couple of these and I get a chuckle out of them. This one specifically because he is demonstrating that there are mirages on the ocean which cause objects to appear above the water, to demonstrate that it's not possible for a mirage to show something above the water.

He did another one on the curvature of the earth which went along a similar vein. Almost like proving the other sides position and claiming you were right all along.

Horn

29th October 2015, 11:03 AM

A video that proves flat Earth?

A field test would be required to see if the video could fall off its edge.

Glass

3rd November 2015, 10:40 PM

The Black Knight enters the fray.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BegqC7aelVY

Kahnigit.

Shami-Amourae

7th November 2015, 10:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEZ58MBbO3M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsOz_J6tJVU

Horn

7th November 2015, 11:55 PM

There ya go, at 26 minutes in spherical Earth was proved by a toilets flush in Australia.

I cant go any further down the rabbit hole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsOz_J6tJVU

Shami-Amourae

8th November 2015, 12:05 AM

There ya go, at 26 minutes in spherical Earth was proved by a toilets flush in Australia.

I cant go any further down the rabbit hole.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

The Flat Earth crap is discrediting the Truth movement. It's a pretty clever way to make us all look retarded.

Shami-Amourae

8th November 2015, 03:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgxYHMu4wqI

Horn

8th November 2015, 09:48 AM

yet you keep posting on this thread. lol

that guy looks like he couldn't sleep all night over his flat earth dilemma.

StreetsOfGold

13th November 2015, 11:13 AM

Thought this one deserves to be here -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5i_iDyUTCg

Horn

14th November 2015, 08:56 AM

Thought this one deserves to be here -

Why post a video with a curved horizon at 50 seconds, in a 2 hour video that claims flat earth?

Glass

2nd December 2015, 12:32 AM

This should get all the Flat Earthers in a tizz.

Space talk: RT to hold live Q&A with ISS crew

https://cdn.rt.com/files/2015.12/original/565e882ac46188e66b8b4611.jpg
RT studio in Moscow is hosting a live Q&A session with Mikhail Korniyenko and Scott Kelly, current members of the International Space Station, on December 3, at 14:20 GMT. RT’s online audience has been given a chance to ask any question about “spacey” stuff.

Russian cosmonaut Korniyenko and NASA astronaut Kelly arrived on the ISS in March this year with their colleague Gennady Padalka.

RT’s online audience now has a chance to submit their own questions for the space Q&A session via Twitter and Facebook.

Korniyenko and Kelly have been chosen for a yearlong mission aboard the ISS, which is an experiment for ISS crews.

RT viewers were curious about life on ISS, asking questions ranging from the coffee situation, to whether relations between the US and Russia affect the astronauts' relationship with one another. The crew answered that they really miss a can of beer or soda, hot showers and fresh air. There was at least one luxury that they enjoyed: coffee from an espresso machine that was delivered to the ISS.

https://www.rt.com/news/324217-iss-rt-talk-space/

StreetsOfGold

2nd December 2015, 09:43 AM

Why post a video with a curved horizon at 50 seconds, in a 2 hour video that claims flat earth?

Why make a completely IDIOTIC comment about a FEW SECONDS of a 2 hour video when there are 200 proofs in it which prove the earth is NOT a round spinning ball?

Because you're an anti Christ who hates God, hates the Bible, hates those who even claim they represent him and (most of all) is gong to hell (don't forget that)

PatColo

3rd December 2015, 09:31 AM

Horn

3rd December 2015, 09:55 AM

Because you're an anti Christ who hates God, hates the Bible, hates those who even claim they represent him and (most of all) is gong to hell (don't forget that)

Funny how most biblical flat earth scholars claim to be witch hunters, when they're always first practiced at invocation curses.

Shami-Amourae

4th December 2015, 07:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcWyZ8uVjJY

PatColo

4th December 2015, 11:58 PM

haven't listened to this, just interesting that JFetzer's latest guest is a "ball earth skeptic" (flat earther)... be interesting to hear how JF handles the question. 1 hr:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt6b3yYBT2A
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt6b3yYBT2A)

I skipped through the above, didn't have the patience to sit through the whole hour. Turns out the hour is divided into 2 halves; first half the guest gives his slide presentation uninterrupted or challenged. 2nd half, Fetzer takes the floor, same arrangement, but Fetzer's presentation is pro ball-earth, anti flat-earth.

So I guess that answers the question of how Fetzer would handle it! :)

Neuro

6th December 2015, 05:03 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcWyZ8uVjJY
Start WWIII while having Goys discussing nonsense theories, you just need a couple agents at each forum focused on exposing the Jews ...

Glass

6th December 2015, 06:19 PM

I skipped through the above, didn't have the patience to sit through the whole hour. Turns out the hour is divided into 2 halves; first half the guest gives his slide presentation uninterrupted or challenged. 2nd half, Fetzer takes the floor, same arrangement, but Fetzer's presentation is pro ball-earth, anti flat-earth.

So I guess that answers the question of how Fetzer would handle it! :)

An effective debater should be able to take either side of any debate and present a valid case. People seem to believe/conclude (all or most of the time) that the other person they are debating believes/holds the position/stance they are taking in the debate.

Glass

9th December 2015, 08:39 PM

Flat Earthers Physical model of the flat earth with a dome/firmament over it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eizwrSK4UP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eizwrSK4UP8

The issue I see with this kind of modeling is that the sun does not actually go down, over the horizon BUT that it simply moves off into the distance beyond our ability to see it.

If that were the case, I think the sun should change shape into some kind of ellipse as it moves away. It would become elongated. Egg shape. This obviously doesn't happen. It doesn't happen on sun rise either.

Glass

9th December 2015, 08:41 PM

Enochs Domed World.

This guy creates a CGI model of what the world should look like if taking descriptions from the bible and interpreting them as literal as possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Jpr3kGQXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Jpr3kGQXM

YT threw it up as a similar topic to previous post.

Glass

9th December 2015, 10:28 PM

influence of the masonics on ball earth theory. NASA's masons in space. Apollo being the sun god.

Copernicus used the theoretical, not factual alegory used by Pythagoras as the foundation of his model. Dedicating some decades to expanding the heliocentric solar system model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_F_WtxPStQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_F_WtxPStQ

This one is quite interesting. It focuses more on the players and their history than talking about FE.

Shami-Amourae

31st December 2015, 06:30 PM

Shami-Amourae

31st December 2015, 06:56 PM

One Question for Flat Earthers

If, as you claim the earth is a flat disk which is not spinning in space, then why does my 30 year old 6 inch reflecting telescope have an equatorial mount and an electric motor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7HVDKAZ6eM

Glass

31st December 2015, 07:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sJJKRPzgcw

http://thomassheridanofficialblog.blogspot.ie/2015/09/one-question-for-flat-earthers.html

To sum things up the Flat-Earther crap is done by Russian intelligence services to discredit NASA. Notice all of the anti-NASA obsession in the pro-Flat Earther posts above. Basically they are getting Americans to attack and go against NASA for them.

This is like how Israel hijacked Christian churches to make them support Israeli/Jewish interests as a religious cult.

It's a very creative narrative this guys gives. A whole lot of "logical" jumps but no thing to back up what he has decided.

I think the whole thing is very creative. But I think the FE is very secondary to NASA fraud. The NASA faking stuff is easily and readily evidenced. The FE is not at all like that.

Women are denying their own femininity by believing in FE??? The earth is never been taught as being a man because its a globe. It's that simple. Based on her own female identity the earth is round. Oh and now it has the hallmarks of secret service.

Equatorial exists regardless of FE or BE. It's a geo centric artifact. It works if earth is spinning or universe is spinning.

he's not alex jones and he wants to be responsible and mature but we are involved in something far very dark and dangerous. than we can imagine. He has an opinion and it's interesting.

Glass

12th January 2016, 11:17 PM

Interesting variation on the construction of the flat earth environment. This guy addresses questions about how the Sun retains its circular shape as it sets, when in a flat earth model, the Sun should start to appear oblique as it moves further away, because it is not really setting, it is just moving further away,

The model describes is a Zetetic Gyropscope.

Basically the planet atmosphere is a globe but the earth is a flat disk sitting with in it. The disk does not span the whole of the diameter of the globe but either sits across a smaller slice of the globe. It might also be partially concave.

Deals mostly with the apsects of refraction of light and how this affects the appearance of the horizon, things being visible over the edge etc. This addresses the Mirage questions raised about Chicago being visible across lake Michigan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICPqawyQSwA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICPqawyQSwA

Glass

14th January 2016, 01:40 AM

The Zetecism model video is quite technical and I will need to watch it a few times I think. Some of the concepts I have not come across before but most of this topic, atmosphere and refraction, gyroscopic movements etc are things I know about but don't know much technical stuff.

I would say this is probably the most intellectually honest FE related video I have watched. The guy stays focused on the technical aspects of the model he presents and the other models, heliocentric and the currently accepted Copernicus model.

He does aknowledge that some of the principles apply to both his and current models. That refraction can cause or explain a few of the anomolies in both models.

He deals with that question I have regarding the shape of the Sun disk as it sets on the horizon and why it does not become oblique. He also addresses ocean currents, which is a significant element of the FE model. The earths ocean currents make a lot of sense in the FE model. With his Gyroscopic model it makes even more sense AND it is demonstrable with a small scale model.

I think he deals with aspect of the air travel question, planes needing to continually pitch down in a ball Earth model to stay within the atmosphere. His explanation make sense. It might have been Someone else I was listening to earlier.

All in all I would say he has done a pretty good job. I don't agree with all of it and its clear some principles can apply in both models but IMO this is a good thing, because he is dealing with accepted principles in science and showing that you don't need to come up with a new theory of a scientific or natural phenomena to make FE a workable model.

His FE model is a bit different to others but I think it also has more credibility than the others. More credibility is not proof. Just more logical than others so far. It's quite the lateral thinking exercise. I don't know if he got started with someone elses model or developed it himself.

He also has some good footage that I have not seen before. He has footage of what we may have been told was a real launch but it's pretty clear it was faked, either completely CGI or some kind of hybrid CGI over real scenery.

he also discusses some interesting things that come about when looking at a fairly unique salt lake in Chile. It's supposed to be completely flat. I think it differs in altitude by 8cms or 80cms across it's whole and very large surface. Amaziing looking place. I thinkt he Dakar raced on it a couple years back. I remember seeing it before.... maybe a motorcycle vlog on YT.

I wish I could cut up these videos into smaller clips just to highlight some of the more important stuff. Either in this video, but I actually think it was a Jeranism video, there is some more new footage which really does raise serious questions about the ISS. Astronauts being reminded their "Hot" mic is on when talking to control. One astronaut goes something like "ok, what did I say?" The response was "nothing yet, just reminding you it is on"..... WTF does that mean?

they clearly run 2 comms systems. One is control and one is the broadcast audio that we hear. Same as they did on the Appollo missions which you can hear in the segment where they are filming Earth from the window on the craft in a way to make it look like they are further away than they are.

There is also a comparison of the images NASA took and the Japanese mission took of Earth from the moon. The difference in size is massive. So either the moon was 2 times further away for the Japanese mission than it was for the NASA mission.

Astronauts who appear to have no suit covering their finger tips. This could be a flesh coloured rubberised finger tip or something to give better tactile feel or it could be exposed fingers. I'm tending toward the ruibberised finger tip but it's hard to be sure. Anyone here know about that?

There was also a footage from a live TV reporter cross to the ISS and instead it went to a back of set camera showing a couple NASA guys messing with some gear that might have been ISS models projected on the CGI screens. Was an interesitng slip up live on TV.

JohnQPublic

19th January 2016, 05:22 PM

Flat Earth is a PsyOp to Attack Documentary “The Principle (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/01/flat-earth-is-a-psyop-to-attack-documentary-the-principle-3272834.html)”

Wednesday, January 6, 2016 11:28

UPDATE: please also see the follow-on articles:
Trump, Clinton, Lawrence Krauss, Jeffrey Epstein and Copernicus in 2016 (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/01/trump-clinton-lawrence-krauss-jeffrey-epstein-and-copernicus-in-2016-3274136.html)

Is Geocentrism Linked to Flat Earth? (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/01/is-geocentrism-linked-to-flat-earth-3273270.html)
The flat earth explosion that started towards the end of 2014 is a direct attack to keep America and the world from seeing the documentary THE PRINCIPLE (http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=http://theprinciplemovie.com) featuring (somewhat to their embarrassment) Lawrence Krauss, Michio Kaku, George FR Ellis, Julian Barbour, Max Tegmark, John Hartnett, Bernard Carr, Ronald Hatch, and others.

This image of a google trends report for “flat earth” (https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=flat%20earth) shows very clearly that the attack started when THE PRINCIPLE was being screened in Chicago in October 2014. At the same time the SPLC attacked (https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2014/10/23/film-anti-semitic-producer-set-premiere-friday) THE PRINCIPLE’s executive producer, Robert Sungenis, as being anti-semitic (as though THE PRINCIPLE has ANYTHING to do with the Jews!).

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/306150/images/flatearth_GoogleTrends_note.png

This is a documentary that some VERY POWERFUL people do not want you to see. It is a very serious scientific documentary that they are trying to obscure using flat earth as a canard.

https://youtu.be/_ED93myL5sc

https://youtu.be/0eVUSDy_rO0

Neuro

20th January 2016, 02:30 AM

John, it is a political correct universe first and foremost...

Shami-Amourae

25th January 2016, 07:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uzUGnE-qxM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xHYAEaAJ28

Glass

25th January 2016, 08:44 PM

I saw an interview with a man who was renowned as one of the worlds most prolific explorers. It was on the Top Gear UK show.

Been meaning to post a link about it because he went to Antartica and crossed it on foot.

Ranulph Fiennes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranulph_Fiennes

n 1992 Fiennes led an expedition that discovered what may be an outpost of the lost city of Iram (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iram_of_the_Pillars) in Oman. The following year he joined nutrition specialist Dr Mike Stroud (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Stroud_%28physician%29) to become the first to cross the Antarctic continent unsupported; they took 93 days. A further attempt in 1996 to walk to the South Pole solo, in aid of the Breast Cancer Campaign (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast_Cancer_Campaign), was unsuccessful due to a kidney stone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney_stone) attack and he had to be rescued from the operation by his crew.

yesterday I was reading about this poor man who died trying to cross the Antartic unaided.

Explorer Henry Worsley has died after developing a serious infection as he tried to cross Antarctica unaided.

The ex-Army officer, from London, had been rescued 30 miles shy of his goal.
His wife Joanna said she felt "heartbroken sadness" after he died of "complete organ failure".
Mr Worsley, 55, was trying to complete the unfinished journey of his hero, Sir Ernest Shackleton, 100 years later, but in his final audio message, he said: "My summit is just out of reach."

from the BBC

(http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35398552)

Neuro

26th January 2016, 12:37 AM

Glass

26th January 2016, 01:43 AM

PatColo

26th January 2016, 03:38 AM

FE advocate "delcroix" @ Mami's posted the following... title & description leave you guessing whether these podcasters are FE or BE peeps... but given the delcroix posted it; I'd guess they're FE (psyop-ers, also guessing...); playing the joowey "Flip the Script & (Reverse)-Project" gambit, by posturing as victims of jooz.gov psyop-ers seeking to infiltrate & destroy their FE-movement-(psyop)!! :o

haven't listened to this 3h 9m show; I count on Glass to do that for me and prepare a short executive summary lol... and no reader commenters at Mamis atm:

Flat Earth Watergate: Is There A Psyop Brewing? (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2016/01/flat-earth-watergate-is-there-psyop.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7YOGDwwihc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7YOGDwwihc

There is Evidence of Some Big Names in Flat Earth Being a Part of an Inside Psyop! We will show why there is a coming shakeup in the top names of flat earth. If suddenly there were an implosion and all the people you trusted were gone from FE, would the community collapse and the movement be over? How serious are you about keeping FE going no matter what? We have uncovered evidence you'll want to know about so tune in!

Audio Only Here:
Download (http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/flkxeol2m8/Flat_Earth_Watergate_Is_There_A_Psyop_Brewing_.mp3 )

Flat Earth Conspiracy's You Tube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4-SGp1NPjSv4dQAKXtIk7A)

A View from the Bog (http://outsideradio.blogspot.ie/)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0c5icucAFdc/VowginFug1I/AAAAAAAACUA/zyRWoOhdRr0/s1600/photo.jpg.png (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0c5icucAFdc/VowginFug1I/AAAAAAAACUA/zyRWoOhdRr0/s1600/photo.jpg.png)

Posted by delcroix (https://www.blogger.com/profile/04838891459471113991) at 3:14 PM No comments: (https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5440450620561193447&postID=843560326017463627)

Neuro

26th January 2016, 05:01 AM

the flat earthers say that no one gets to go strolling around antarctica. Only scientists in a controlled area. This is one of the top 10 proofs.

So these two guys prove that to be incorrect.

and yes, to get from one side to the other on an FE, the journey could be 10's of thousands of miles. I don't know the number to be honest.
Assuming the 40,000 km circumference at the equator is correct then the circumference at the Antarctic edge would be 80,000 km or about 50,000 miles. Half that would be 25,000 miles. To travel that distance in 93 days, you'ld need to go with a speed of around 270 miles/day, pushing it at 13.5 hours a day and you need a speed of around 20 mph. Once upon a time it was considered physically impossible to run a mile under 4 minutes, A mile in 4 minutes means 15 mph average speed. Keep that pace for 18 hours a day and you can make it in 93 days... ;D

Glass

26th January 2016, 05:21 AM

ok so, now you have said 80,000 kms, I will say the number I heard was 75,000kms done by people like Captain Cook who sailed down to antarctica, then back up to Australia, across the top, some islands then NZ and back into the antarctic region and heading off toward the South American Coast.

Was looking for a way through by boat but never found one. They say if it were a continent, basically a circle of dirt, ice or rock at the bottom it would be 15,000km or some such to get around, not 75k kms.

interesting.

you can find maps of these journeys online that seem to corroborate the story.

Jewboo

26th January 2016, 06:39 PM

I've been seeing this stupid Flat Earth conspiracy theory all over the Internet and more people seem to be buying into this bullshit. It's really good at discrediting the entire Truther movement.

Thoughts?

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1439/23/1439232525735.png

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1453/84/1453849512534.jpg

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1453/66/1453668294894.png

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1450/25/1450256141551.jpg

PatColo

27th January 2016, 03:38 AM

Max Igan of AU sums up FE nicely in 10 minutes:

Dealing with Kakistocracy and the Flat Earth Psyop - AVR - 09/11/15 (http://www.thecrowhouse.com/stm510.html) - Podcast (http://www.thecrowhouse.com/dl/MaxIgan_Dealing_With_Kakistocracy_And_The_Flat_Ear th_Psyop_Surviving_The_Matrix_September11_2015.mp3 )<< jump to 17:15, goes on through 27:15. :)

Glass

28th January 2016, 10:48 AM

Working my way through the video Pat linked in post #157 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?83953-Flat-Earthers-Won-t-Go-Away&p=813156&viewfull=1#post813156)

Background listening but sometimes you have to rewind and watch what they are talking about. Interestingly it wasn't what I expected and was talking about in JQP's FE Phsyop thread.

Whole discussion requires knowing FE to some depth. That you have watched many of the videos from the FE high flyers. You can watch the ones they mention as they bring them up.

It basically deals with a lot of the questions I have raised, these guys have been doing the same. Mainly why some of the big names in FE, pumping out FE Clues and other videos are not acknowledging clearly incorrect info or claims. eg. Hot Potatoes with handler steere. Why Sargent and Jeranism don't let go of some of their obviously debunked statements about how things are. A few other thoughts on the players.

GPS, aircraft journeys to South America from Australia, to South africa. Mirage to the horizon, boats, islands, Chicago over Lake Michigan. Stuff I've mentioned.

A discussion on what the firmament is, which was interesting. Talks about lost in translation bible text, from Aramaic to something else to Greek to Latin to old English to modern English.

A discussion of the various types of maps and discussion about one which was a new one to me. Interesting. Well thought out discussion and some other info to add based on what you see with the different map.

Max Igan went from Australia to Chile by plane, looked out the window (he was allowed) and then seemed to travel in a regular direction you would expect for the flight. He did not go over North pole.

Jon Le Bon might be originally from Southern Africa, which would fit the name. Travelled in the other direction from Sydney to Johberg. I've seen that plane go over a number of times. It leaves a chem trail. It actually went over today. Big trail.

There is an argument about angle of earth on axis and sunlight in antarctica. Edited web cams which only show 18 hours of the day, No shadows from X direction show they are hiding something. This part of the discussion actually got a bit technical and I'm going to have to relisten and see if I can get my head around a couple things put out there. I get what the concept is but I need more background.

To be honest and as I said presumptively in JQP's thread, this was not what I expected. I have 30 minutes more to get through, it is for the most part a pretty good discussion. You could probably get away with listening to the audio only but some visuals are needed here and there.

These guys seem mostly adult, fair discussion, a few new tidbits, confirmation that some of the FE ideas are seriously stupid and that there are some agents in the movement. The FE movement is going through a self critiquing period, finger pointing etc. No real hysterics here.

Are we any closer to solidarity? maybe. Some info worth remembering. Some I will have to replay to see if it stacks up. one of the more worth while FE things I've listened to. Not sure that says a lot but anyway.

PatColo

28th January 2016, 12:46 PM

Working my way through the video Pat linked in post #157 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?83953-Flat-Earthers-Won-t-Go-Away&p=813156&viewfull=1#post813156)

You know in #157, I was only joking about you preparing me an exec summary about that 3+ hour pod, right Glass? lol :D

anyway you may enjoy this latest one delcroix posted yesterday,

Wednesday, January 27, 2016

JLBE1611 | Flat Earthers Doxxing Online Opponents? (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2016/01/jlbe1611-flat-earthers-doxxing-online.html)

Glass

28th January 2016, 09:44 PM

yeah I know Pat. Just playing along.

I find the whole movement development thing interesting. To see it go through various stages and morph.

We are now well into the in-fighting and recriminations stage of the game. Who's a shill, an agent, a limited hangout etc.

Shami-Amourae

28th January 2016, 11:56 PM

http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/62391716

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1454/04/1454046660845.jpg

Beside Niggers, is there a stupider group of people than flat earth theorists?

Glass

29th January 2016, 12:47 AM

StreetsOfGold

29th January 2016, 10:29 AM

I bet that stems from the "proof" that the world cannot be a globe because there is no up or down in space, so people cannot be standing upside down on the earth like down here in Australia.

Its impossible to stand upside down on the earth, you woud just fall off.... or something. :confused:

It's one of Jeranisms main things and he is beligerently blind to the f'd up logic of it and deaf to anyone who says something on it. To me, thats the main clue..... with that guy anyway.

In the cunningly devised fable = Big bang > spinning ball > life from non life > evolution of man, there is no up and down.
It's all "relative" so when Jesus Christ was spoken of as going UP TO heaven (in Jerusalem) he was REALLY going DOWN to the people in New Zealand if the earth was a ball.
A ball earth is not only stupid, it defies common sense which is typically destroyed at a young age as these devils put a spinning ball earth in front of the nose of little children at the very earliest age and tell them, this is what they live upon.
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Joshua01

29th January 2016, 10:40 AM

In the cunningly devised fable = Big bang > spinning ball > life from non life > evolution of man, there is no up and down.
It's all "relative" so when Jesus Christ was spoken of as going UP TO heaven (in Jerusalem) he was REALLY going DOWN to the people in New Zealand if the earth was a ball.
A ball earth is not only stupid, it defies common sense which is typically destroyed at a young age as these devils put a spinning ball earth in front of the nose of little children at the very earliest age and tell them, this is what they live upon.
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Once you introduce religion in the discussion you dismiss all logic

Religion is based on fear and guilt, not on logic

Neuro

29th January 2016, 11:00 AM

Once you introduce religion in the discussion you dismiss all logic

Religion is based on fear and guilt, not on logic
He doesn't even draw a logical conclusion re the verses he quoted, completely out of his mind!

Horn

29th January 2016, 04:23 PM

I think the assumption is that only an alien God can make something flat, cause nothing else in the universe is perfectly flat.

What I still wonder is how he might have filleted the corners or if they too are perfect angle 90's, like Colorado and pointy.

Does he just say, "Close enough gotta go get'er dun" like in Detroit? If that were the case all the water would have spilt out of it by now. :)

Glass

29th January 2016, 06:01 PM

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1454/04/1454046660845.jpg

Just glance looking at this image it does raise the question of how is that possible. it then takes a bit of sitting and thinking about this to see the start of a different conclusion. A lot of people are not going to think long enough about what is shown, to even consider there are other ways to look at this image.

It takes a bit of abstract and spacial thinking. Having not paid much attention to where the moon is and the path it traverses when in the northern hemisphere. Here in the southern part of Australia the moon traverses a path to the north. It is either just north or very north. It is almost directly above some times of the year or it is off to the north other times.

In the more northern parts of the northern hemisphere does the moon track more south or is it more over head in the sky.

If it was hangning out there in line with the equator, notherners would be looking down or south-ish at it and obviously we would be looking north at it. Hence the difference of appearance.... that it is being looked at from the top side down and down side up.

Man it is hard to put into words.

StreetsOfGold

29th January 2016, 07:15 PM

Once you introduce religion in the discussion you dismiss all logic

Religion is based on fear and guilt, not on logic

I did NOT introduce "religion" I quoted a verse of Scripture.
The scripture is NOT "religion"

Religion is:> to visit the fatherless in their affliction and to keep yourself unspotted from the world, NEITHER of which is based on "fear or guilt"
I suspect you're a typical LOST man whose conscience is being challenged (by God).
GOOD!!!
Pity the man whom the Lord STOPS dealing with!
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Joshua01

29th January 2016, 07:29 PM

I did NOT introduce "religion" I quoted a verse of Scripture.
The scripture is NOT "religion"

Religion is:> to visit the fatherless in their affliction and to keep yourself unspotted from the world, NEITHER of which is based on "fear or guilt"
I suspect you're a typical LOST man whose conscience is being challenged (by God).
GOOD!!!
Pity the man whom the Lord STOPS dealing with!
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

I can tell this discussion would not end well. Let's just agree to disagree

Neuro

29th January 2016, 09:42 PM

Just glance looking at this image it does raise the question of how is that possible. it then takes a bit of sitting and thinking about this to see the start of a different conclusion. A lot of people are not going to think long enough about what is shown, to even consider there are other ways to look at this image.

It takes a bit of abstract and spacial thinking. Having not paid much attention to where the moon is and the path it traverses when in the northern hemisphere. Here in the southern part of Australia the moon traverses a path to the north. It is either just north or very north. It is almost directly above some times of the year or it is off to the north other times.

In the more northern parts of the northern hemisphere does the moon track more south or is it more over head in the sky.

If it was hangning out there in line with the equator, notherners would be looking down or south-ish at it and obviously we would be looking north at it. Hence the difference of appearance.... that it is being looked at from the top side down and down side up.

Man it is hard to put into words.
Assuming that the moon is a ball, close to earth then you'ld visualize different parts of it, on the photos from England and Australia it looks identical but just turned upside down. If it was a flat disk you'ld see the edge away from the equator and it wouldn't look round, but oblong. If it was just a projection it would look identical, but again oblong in the far north and south.

The easiest to explain conclusion would be that the observer in Australia and England differs in that the other is upside down in relation to each other, and that the earth is a ball, just like the moon, and that the moon is quite far away from earth. Why complicate things?

Horn

29th January 2016, 10:19 PM

Samuel Shenton was a signwriter, who lived with his wife Lillian in a ginger-brick terrace in suburban Dover. He was son of an army sergeant major, born in Great Yarmouth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Yarmouth), and by the 1920s claimed to have invented an airship that would rise into the atmosphere and remain stationary until the earth spun westwards at 1,000 km/h (620 mph) to the desired destination at the same latitude.

Shenton could not understand why someone had not previously thought of this idea until he discovered, in the reading room of theBritish Library (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Library) at Bloomsbury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomsbury) that Archbishop Stevens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Isaac_Stevens), a friend of Lady Blount, the founder of the Universal Zetetic Society (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Zetetic_Society), had suggested an aircraft design similar to his own. When he discovered Parallax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Rowbotham)'s Zetetic Astronomy he was an instant convert. "What the authorities were concealing, Shenton decided, was the 'fact' that the earth was flat"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Shenton

Neuro

30th January 2016, 03:24 AM

If you ever wondered why it feels much harder to walk towards the south compared to the north on the flat earth, especially in Australia and South America... LOL

http://youtu.be/VNqNnUJVcVs

And the earth would appear flat to an observer traveling towards it at the speed of light, but I have a feeling that would probably end very badly!

Glass

31st January 2016, 09:40 PM

not trying to complicate things, its just a perception issue that blocks people off the bat. Because people always think they will look "up" at the moon regardless of where they are.

anyway, I think we are done with FE? busted down most of it. wrote up what the faults in the theory are as they are presented by the FE theorist. wrote up on some of the FE players and how the movement developed. Some of the players are agents and many are looking like agents.

I'm going to have to agree with JQP, that it's a misdirector and the Principle is the most coincidental event to line up with the FE meme. IIRC the announcement of the principle and its appearance on line and in theatres was a few month gap, so they must have really cranked up the brainstorming and production to have all this material ready to go.

I'm keen to know why flat earth was the topic chosen. To me is seems very close to the topic they want to avoid. I guess it's working because no one has mentioned geocentricity or the movie itself. I guess the move is to undermine all alternative theories and paint them with a single brush?

Two things I will take away are: NASA is clearly a seriously fraudulent operation. The other thing is a couple ideas that I would like to put against some other mapping models and see what influence they have. Until FE I was not aware of so many map models existing. Some are very interesting relative to these other ideas. These are scientifically accepted maps not FE movement generated maps.

PatColo

3rd February 2016, 07:25 PM

RSJ 3.5 mins: https://www.youtube.com/user/TeamWakeEmUP/videos

Flat Earth Conspiracy NASA Government Operation EXPOSED (Redsilverj) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvxTdfVdv7U)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvxTdfVdv7U

Can also check Mami's http://grizzom.blogspot.com for "delcroix" FE postings. I don't tend to watch any FE stuff longer than 5 mins, just seeking to get their angle.

Interestingly, this pretty 30-something lady Sinead McCarthy, AKA YT channel Shiksa Goddess (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAprBlfkrpoXvZvjJE6CLxw/videos), has been doing her own 1x/week show on Renegade; and it seems she's their token FE-er! A bit odd coz I haven't known Renegade to embrace controversial theories before-- their hosts' main raison d'etre seems to be WN/Preservationism, anti-jooowism, and some are into flavors of Paganism as our ancestors' true religion-- but FE-ism sticks out as a little odd! So I wonder if Renegade wasn't just a bit overly eager to get a (pretty) female hostess in their lineup? Here's Sinead's latest show,

Firestarter Radio: Question Everything (2-2-16) (http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/firestarter-radio-question-everything-2-2-16/)

[Download (http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/media/Firestarter-Radio-2-2-16.mp3)]

In the first hour Sinead brings on her guest Brian Mullin. Brian is a licensed engineer who practices structural engineering. They discuss his youtube channel, ‘Balls Out Physics (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLadEHkv6RYnO5FlI59cN-DEZ70825c9jU)‘. In the second and subsequent hours, Sinead … Read the rest (http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/firestarter-radio-question-everything-2-2-16/)

^ not obvious from the show description, but main topic with her and her "engineer friend", is FE!

And while Sinead's pretty un-dogmatic about her FE-ism, IE she doesn't mock/ridicule BE-ers (a telltalle giveaway of a spook operative!); she does speak with an (annoying, to me!) "Sorority/Valley-Girl" cadence & tone-modulation, which I can imagine younger less mature people falling in line with, seeking to emulate, the way younger people are prone to doing-- so I'd be concerned that the younger set might hear Sinead's shtick & be tempted to become FE-advocates, as part of their desire to "fit in." :(

Glass

3rd February 2016, 07:57 PM

PatColo

4th February 2016, 12:49 AM

dont like listening to this guy but its absolutely worth watching at 3.26 mins long.

He's pulling all the mason symbology that they are using in front of the camera. The girl is ...... a? 3 guesses but you should only need one.

RSJ didn't identify by real name either the first black guy, nor the ditzy girl, nor the guy in the last clip. So you figure the girl is some kind of joodeo-masonry-associated shill?

Many common masonry hand signals/shakes are also ones which normal non-masons use, inadvertently... so I find it hard to draw firm conclusions from people doing them as nailing down their affiliation. Like, I wouldn't have known about ditz-girl's finger to temple followed by wink was masonic, if RSJ didn't infer it.

Anyone know if freemasonry (for men) &
freemasonry for women (https://startpage.com/do/search?cmd=process_search&cat=web&query=freemasonry+for+women&language=english&no_sugg=1&ff=&abp=-1&nj=1)
have all the same seekrit body language?

Glass

4th February 2016, 01:05 AM

Hi Pat, yes on the question.

The devil horns and winking was pretty in your face. Expecially the left eye wink.

I also thought that the hand signs are maybe inadvertent. Hard to tell these days because so many do it.

The diamond fingers one is not so natural in my mind that you would just do it while sitting or standing around. Given the multitude of historical examples its easy to conclude it was deliberate. Whether it was, remains unclear.

PatColo

7th February 2016, 05:32 AM

I surfed upon Mike Delaney's site for the first time in a long time; and see that last Oct they put up a 2 hour BE/FE roundtable. They're BE'ers, and from the short description it's clear they play the ridicule card against FE'ers.... but I like their tact about FE being a disinfo ploy against everyone associated with truth/patriot issues:

Iz Da Erf Phat? Roundtable Podcast Discussing The Jewish Ploy – Flat Earth Quackery (http://www.prothink.org/2015/10/26/iz-da-erf-phat-roundtable-podcast-discussing-the-jewish-ploy-flat-earth-quackery/)

Posted by :Prothink On : October 26, 2015
Category: General (http://www.prothink.org/category/gen/)
Tags:eric debuy (http://www.prothink.org/tag/eric-debuy/), flat earth (http://www.prothink.org/tag/flat-earth/)

Fat Erf Society is the new (really old) conspiracy being pushed these days and ironically it is the exact same strategy and tactics used by the treacherous no-planes on 9/11 groups. In fact those groups are courting (probably were in bed all along anyways) wiff da fat erf-ers.

Listen to this podcast Bill Finck, myself, and many others did in person while visiting in the Philly area back in September.

Download here: http://christogenea.org/system/files/audio/ChrSat20150912-RoundEarthRoundtable.mp3

Here is a video that does a decent job debunking retarded theory - 10 mins:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGRRxOf6dU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGRRxOf6dU

While I've seen Delaney say/do some disappointing things before, including his whole "Christian Identity" shtick (aka "Whites are the REAL JOOZ!); we were "strange bedfellows" back when John Friend was all about No Planes hit WTC! So JF did an NP@WTC roundtable 'debate' show with Delaney, Scott Roberts, and I think someone else... but the latter group took the planes DID hit the WTC, and it's an irrelevant distraction anyways position, which I share. IMHO, JF got his arse handed to him; see this post for that show, #17 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?71312-Critical-of-JFetzer-amp-JFriend-s-No-Planes-WTC-campaign&p=677185&viewfull=1#post677185)

PatColo

14th February 2016, 02:28 AM

been a while since these guys cranked out a new vid... 4 mins, From: Joy Camp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKS0DEytHw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKS0DEytHw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKS0DEytHw

PatColo

26th February 2016, 07:04 PM

This Canadian guy "Jeff C" with YT channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9vrYkPaH1D60jr4jwGDIlg/videos has targetted flat earth (as cog-infiltration psyop) in recent months. And the LGBT agenda. Check the channel for a bunch of recent clips on these items...

Glass

26th February 2016, 07:57 PM

yes I'm not sure what is going on is as clear cut. I don't see the truther connection. FE'ers seem to be a different group. The only time there is a truther connection is when these guys bring it up. I don't think it needs to be linked to any other psy op. I think it stands on it's own.

I looked into the moon landing rabbit hole. Just the regular about shadows, cross hairs that are wrong. The on going NASA scam was not something I looked at before FE. The material is compelling. I have seen some very intriguing NASA images in some of their videos that I haven't seen before. If they are genuine. I'd like to find them and see what others think.

StreetsOfGold

27th February 2016, 09:33 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGRRxOf6dU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGRRxOf6dU

This video is a joke, at best.
This KID's arguments are straight out of a NASA movie script playbook

You took this seriously?

Horn

28th February 2016, 05:58 AM

Its just a case of overseers creating a special place for their inmates to feel welcomed in.

Joshua01

28th February 2016, 10:16 AM

Seriously? We still have people pontificating a flat Earth agenda? WOW!

Shami-Amourae

28th February 2016, 10:38 AM

Seriously? We still have people pontificating a flat Earth agenda? WOW!

We have Flat Earthers on this forum.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?83953-Flat-Earthers-Won-t-Go-Away&p=778215&viewfull=1#post778215

Coincidentally they all say "THE JESUITS" instead of "THE JEWS".

The Principle, the movie being promoted by the Admin of this website, promotes geocentricism too (the Earth is the center of the Universe.)

Glass

28th February 2016, 04:58 PM

I think the flat earthers blame the Freemasons, neither of the big J's have come up in anything I've seen.

All the astronots are fraternal brothers, lots of mission patches, first day post cards and so on.

Neuro

28th February 2016, 11:49 PM

I am still trying to understand how the "Electric Universe" model would work in a Flat Earth system.
Why try to work out mechanisms in a fabricated system devoid of physical reality?

Neuro

28th February 2016, 11:55 PM

We have Flat Earthers on this forum.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?83953-Flat-Earthers-Won-t-Go-Away&p=778215&viewfull=1#post778215

Coincidentally they all say "THE JESUITS" instead of "THE JEWS".

The Principle, the movie being promoted by the Admin of this website, promotes geocentricism too (the Earth is the center of the Universe.)
I believe it is hard to find an opinion/idea in human history (and beyond?) that haven't been promoted or at least discussed on this forum... ;D

Isn't it possible JQP is a Jesuit, btw? ;D ;D

Glass

29th February 2016, 12:08 AM

StreetsOfGold

29th February 2016, 10:44 AM

Pick the "other" obvious flaw with this method of calculation.

The Question: How far from Earth is The Sun?
Calculated Solution: Sun is 25XX from Earth. It might be 24XX miles. I can't remember.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSkrHCjZ85U

excluding everything else, and I mean everything, why does this calculation not work?

I know it's a 20+ minute video. You can probably work it out in a few minutes. No prizes offered sorry.

Since there is no REAL verifiable map of the earth (it's all covered up) Zack and REAL people out there in the world with NO AGENDA (except the truth) are coming to the fro and stepping up with REAL science which will accurately MAP OUT the earth (which is NO WAY a "spinning ball")
Spinning ball "earth" < LOL it's almost too funny for words how anyone could ever buy into such nonsense!!

Glass

29th February 2016, 11:30 AM

well the main flaw in the measuring how far away the sun is, is that they are measuing the focal point or an focal point. Basically in a lab it would be the distance from the nearside surface of a lens, be it convex or concave (in earths atmosphere's case) and the earth surface where the light terminates, hits the surface.

So I guess they are measuring something.

The comments about making an accurate map makes it seem a lot like regular science. Make the model fit the synopsis. Oh and crowd fund it. I wonder how much money they will raise. That would be an interesting thing to watch.

And now they are doing the exact same things they complained regular science was doing, being dogmatic, you are now either with them or a'gin them.

KenJackson

29th February 2016, 08:30 PM

Here is a video that does a decent job debunking retarded theory - 10 mins:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGRRxOf6dU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGRRxOf6dU

It's very odd that someone thinks they need to make a 10 minute video to debunk such a loony theory, but I learned one fascinating thing: The moon is inverted in the southern hemisphere!

Years ago I actually took pictures of flushing toilets in America and Argentina to corroborate the coriolis effect, but no one told me about the moon. And I didn't look closely enough to notice. Gosh! I wish I had. But it makes sense, and I'm very glad to learn of it.

As for the flat earth theory, I saw a youtube video a few months ago and was fascinated by it. I thought it surely must have been done tongue-in-cheek, a big joke. But they put so much effort and thought into it that I've wondered ever since if someone actually believes it.

PatColo

29th February 2016, 10:03 PM

^ Ken, your quote by "me" made me scratch my head, not my style, so I went to the original: #182 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?83953-Flat-Earthers-Won-t-Go-Away&p=815864&viewfull=1#post815864). Turns out I was quoting an anti-FE post from prothink.org (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE)... which prompted me to check the latest there... and the latest there IS.....

This Account Has Been Suspended
:rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

PatColo

3rd April 2016, 10:39 PM

Max Igan, FE critic, on the V.Eastwood show. Same take as before, only more refined, plus Max says he hired a land surveyor to do some tests over a vast area, and couldn't draw any certain conclusions (IIRC, I listened with "one ear" as usual!). At one point near the end, VE asks Max, if he became convinced of FE, how would that change his day to day needs & wants? They agreed, it wouldn't change anything. That's been my take too; FE is a distraction and a wedge issue, prolly a psyop to marginalize & dismiss "truthers"; Sunstein "cognitive infiltration." Max said the vitriol & dogmatism must stop, but it may be too late for that; a lot of damage has been done already.

Flat Earth Psy-Op Divides Truth Movement, Max Igan (http://www.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com/show-archives/flat-earth-psy-op-divides-truth-movement-max-igan)

Australian legend Max Igan www.thecrowhouse.com (http://www.thecrowhouse.com)
We discuss what the word "psy-ops" means, what the word "shill" means and why these terms are often misunderstood and misused by people in the truth movement who've not yet learned what the word "Discernment" means.

A very serious and important show discussing the recent surge in flat earth activity, one of the phenomena that is directly responsible for the derailing many people fighting to expose the truth with circular arguments of religious absolute truthism, resulting in INFIGHTING.

Youtube Audio Version

http://www.weebly.com/weebly/images/file_icons/wav.png (http://www.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com/uploads/1/3/1/2/1312301/yt_audio_28_mar_max_igan_vinny_eastwood_show_2016. mp3)

yt_audio_28_mar_max_igan_vinny_eastwood_show_2016. mp3

Download File (http://www.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com/uploads/1/3/1/2/1312301/yt_audio_28_mar_max_igan_vinny_eastwood_show_2016. mp3)

Glass

3rd April 2016, 10:58 PM

It's clear the FE discussion has degenerated into a shit fight amongst what looks like 2 sides. People saying the same as Max. Others saying the people saying that are idiots or liars or frauds. Apparently the leading FE people who appear to have their faces out there are saying because their critics won't front up and reveal their names and faces on line.

Jon Le Bon has surfaced again. He seems to be some kind of nudger, a bit like Jeranism. He takes great effort to project himself as being on the fence and available to mediate. A few people made some videos discussing having JLB as a mediator but I got the impression the video was done so it could be refered to by JLB.

I think the whole thing is clear as mud with the discussion not looking at FE info, propostions etc but looking at the players AND it's clear some of the leading players are closed to information that answers their suppositions like GPS doesn't track planes in some areas. No amount of telling them GPS is not a tracking system can get traction.

My preferred angle now is the obvious fraud that NASA is. The FE thing is secondary IMO. I still check Jeranisms stuff because he often has very interesting NASA material. Sometimes I wonder where it comes from BUT I also realise I have not watched the total of the footage from Appollo 11 so its reasonable that what he is showing is real. Things like 2 people walking around outside the landing craft just after it touched down and well before anyone inside had prepared to go outside. The landing craft was obviously something put together with some lysart type steel - filing cabinet/rolling compacta metal, some rivets or screws and some shiny mylar type material.

Its also clear NASA is producing CGI material here on Earth that they portray as being live "In Space" video.

StreetsOfGold

4th April 2016, 10:40 AM

Here is a video showing the flat earth BEFORE NASA was founded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2Y9R-PO0oo

Shami-Amourae

4th April 2016, 11:11 AM

Here is a video showing the flat earth BEFORE NASA was founded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2Y9R-PO0oo

Nice Metal Gear Solid promo.

Could use more of Quiet's cleavage though.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eFjRKcqUtvA/maxresdefault.jpg

Joshua01

4th April 2016, 11:15 AM

Nice Metal Gear Solid promo.

Could use more of Quiet's cleavage though.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eFjRKcqUtvA/maxresdefault.jpg

How much more cleavage do you need? lol

Shami-Amourae

10th April 2016, 09:28 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAzk4qhoz9Q

KenJackson

10th April 2016, 10:18 AM

Might you guys be taking the wrong read on the flat earthers?

Might it be that they're so fed up with government and leftist lies that they've come up with their own absurdium to illustrate it?

In much of America (and probably much of the western world) You can't enter into a substantive discussion where you take a position that global warming or evolution of species is hokum, or that the government is four times the size it should be, or that people should have the right to reject and exclude homosexuality as sexual deviancy. No, these are religious issues to the left, but you dare not even call them religious because they hold religion to be evil.

I don't know any flat-earthers, but it's so patently absurd that there must be more to the story.

Glass

10th April 2016, 10:56 AM

its an offshoot to the fraud of Nasa in space. I think that pretty much sums it up.

Shami-Amourae

10th April 2016, 12:15 PM

I don't know any flat-earthers, but it's so patently absurd that there must be more to the story.

We have several on this forum.

http://s16.postimg.org/x1xo2o4f9/1460280459405.jpg

Joshua01

10th April 2016, 01:49 PM

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eFjRKcqUtvA/maxresdefault.jpg

Thanks for the mammories!

Glass

12th April 2016, 08:00 AM

Speaking of Religion. this is long but I know a lot of people don't watch any portion of the videos posted here - out of belief, so I'll document the key parts of the video

Another video from Jeranism. Its interesting for a couple things he raises. Now he does have some blind
spots AND he does fall into the trap of being dogmatic, while criticizing other people for being
dogmatic.

that is, just believing in something and being closed to another point of view. The belief is not the
flat earth model, it is parts of the information that is being considered when making the conclusion.

I've addressed things like this before. For example, people can't live on the other side of a round
thing because we are standing up right which means we are all standing on the same side of something.
Another one, not specifically a Jerans issue, is measuring the suns distance using angles of sun rays
piercing through clouds and spreading out from the suns hot spot on the clouds - they are measuring the
focal point of refraction in the atmosphere, not the original source.

But in this instance it is not just FE'rs that are having this problem. It's clear that some of the
worlds leading Physicists and Astro Physicists - these are the Pied Piper ones who show up like movie
stars at nerd conventions, are in fact gibbering idots who don't know what they are talking about. They
are just baffling people with bullshit.

They have DeGrasse who quite literally contradicts himself constantly and is clearly talking
indoctrinated crap. The Earth is not round, its pear shaped. But the pictures are round? Gravity can be proven by dropping something, even though it's unmeasurable.

Then there is the Physicist called Lawrence Kraus. This guy can't even form a coherent sentence let
alone explain any of the concepts he is supposed to be expert on. From watching him, I don't think he is
a scientist. I think he is a hypnotist who is either talking in tongues or some other kind of gibberish.
What ever it is, it's clearly incopmprehinsible and I think most just assume because of this, that they
can't grasp it, then it is above their intellect. I think the truth of the matter is its below their
intellect and would probably not be understood by any living creature with a brain.

He tries to explain how you can have nothing - pre big bang and then suddenly something - post big bang.
He says you can get something from nothing. It's that simple. If you have nothing, then suddenly you can
have something, you don't need to have something to have something you can have nothing and then
suddenly you have something. And at the end of all that, he says and gravity is the thing that gives the
nothing the ability to be something. And that is the current scientific explanation of the big bang from
one of the worlds leading physicists.

Then there is the smilling idiot from England who is often on the TV with one of those walk around the
country side and talk gently about scientific "knowledge". He is in a car with Robert Llwelyn and the
conversation is incomprehensible, because this guy is also unable to form sentences. He cannot even
explain energy conservation and his explanation of string theory is simply bizzare - string theory
converts these little dots (what ever they are) into little loops. hmmm

They really do have to be watched to understand the problem with science. There isn't any science, there
is just incomprehensible gibberish which, if you can see through it and question it then it's merely
supplemented with more gibberish. And I'm not just being flippant. I am being as balanced as I can, but
I can't think of another suitable descriptor.

AND - please can someone tell me, especially - especially if you have heard or seen this before and
checked it out. Are those real photos of Ptetrodactyls that have been caught by indians, American miners
and Confederate soldiers?

There is a large feathered bird which has a similar name which actually exists now. I can't find it now
but I did see a video of one being rescued from a fence or garbage stuck on it. But these old images are
showing a non feathered bird, which a wing spans of maybe 6 meters. It looks like the "artists"
renderings we see of these dinosaur era animals. It's like the giants that have been discovered.

He also links the site where he gets the NASA images. Shows one of the moon buggy, which seems to have
simply been placed somewhere on the surface and there are no tire tracks to it or from it. Question -
how did it get there, so far from the lander with out any tire tracks?

And then there was the discovery Dinosaur bones with meat on them. This story has done the rounds but I
have never seen the story. He shows a 60 minutes program where the scientist who discovers the tissue
shows how the discovery came about. How they re-did the process and kept coming up with tissue matter.

Then they go on to show the actual material and discuss how they can identify is as animal tissue and
veins. Remember this in on 60 minutes shown in the US and probably elsewhere like Australia. I don't
watch it so don't know.

But the kicker is the explanations they try and muster, not just the discoverer, but their superior. And
they literally can't explain it. And the reason is, because not one of them can consider that the
material is not 60 million years old. The thought just doesn't occur to them. Dinosaurs existed 60
million years ago and are extinct for 60 million years.

So it must be a miracle. I thought miracles were performed by dieties.

Finally some NASA religion. It's clear NASA is a freemason operation. All of the astronots are freemasons. All of the missions have freemason first day covers or patches or some commemoration. We know that the freemasons are a satanic cult.

He shows a segment on the "ISS" with an Astronots voice over explaining that they are doing a little ritual to the pagan gods to protect them while the do an EVA. He says they always do this. The ritual is a kind of huddle where all the huddlers make horn signs with both hands, point them into the middle like you would do a "go team" and they do a bit of a wiggle of the hands/horns.

So yes religion does get in the way. The satanists, just as much as anyone else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCiDXgMC18I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCiDXgMC18I

So please, just watch this video if only to hear the scientist talking and nothing else.

StreetsOfGold

12th April 2016, 10:08 AM

We have several on this forum.

Losers?

Yeah we know you are here and in typical JesuTWIT fashion INFESTING almost every thread with your idiotic "it's da jews" crap and spinning ball earth delusion.

Glass

14th April 2016, 01:45 AM

So in my previous post I said the following.

He also links the site where he gets the NASA images. Shows one of the moon buggy, which seems to have
simply been placed somewhere on the surface and there are no tire tracks to it or from it. Question -
how did it get there, so far from the lander with out any tire tracks?

Today I see an image which I think has been taking from a postion 180 degrees around on the other side of the buggy looking back at the lander. I can't be sure of its the same mission BUT the image shows the buggy, then the lander with an astronaut. It also shows a structure that has been lowered from the side of the lander in a drawbridge type fashion. The structure has what I will call two telescoping struts on each side similar to those that would hold up a car hatch back.

Looking at the image I would accept that the buggy was stored in that structure and could easily have been taken from the structure and placed on the surface without there being any need to roll it to it's position. I don't know the weight of the thing but it could have been man handled to that position. I would estimate it at maybe 3 to 6 feet fromthe lander. Can't be sure but the perspective makes it seem that way.

The image was in a video which was shown during a monologue on the moon is not a rock you can go to by Crrow777. He did not say what the point of showing the image was so I don't know what he saw in it. I didn't see anything supporting FE or Fake Nasa. He is not an FE person anyway. Don't know where the image came from. If I see it I'll add it to this post.

Glass

1st May 2016, 09:12 PM

well my internet is getting weirder and more crashy.

Watched this one yesterday. I'll admit I skimmed some of it. While you could dismiss it because the presenter is struggling with a couple things, I think it's understandable he would be. I think I grasp more of it - too a point. I don't know calculus - differential equations.

But the point is, that they use a Flat Earth model. They do so they may use differential equation adjustments BUT in my reading of it, they do not say how this is done OR they do not provide the numbers that would be used. It is like saying, well we will use adjustments but then they simply don't. I think it is a sleight of hand.

It has been said that NASA is unable to pre plot the exact trajectory of any space flight to another celestial body because of issues with relativity and multiple bodies. As a result there are constant adjustments in the flight path as the flight progresses to take into account positional changes betwen multiple bodies.

This is what calculus is - fudging mathematics. A fudge is a kind of "make shit as you go along" to fix, fill cover anomalies - things that don't meet where they should (don't add up). In engineering it gives "what if's" this load or that force etc.

This was an open video yesterday, well 8 hours ago. But now it is age blocked. It has very few views so you don't need to wonder what is going on here. Maybe due to bad language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jqP2-fCjXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jqP2-fCjXw

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jqP2-fCjXw)It seems that NASA and people developing thesis's and product development plans for things like - Space Shuttle, Missiles, Heavy Lifting Rockets do not use a Globe Earth Model when developing their material.

They use a Flat Earth model. In this video they presenter has searched Government publications and found that many of them use a Flat Earth as the basis for their design or theoretical work.

Some points I picked up:
If they launch close to or on the Equartor, they do not need to consider Globe Earth when calculating trajectories. The equatorial lanuch area provides them with multiple orbit insertion posibilities free of globe earth considerations.

Gravity is so insignificant, they do not include it in their workings for launch trajectories and rocket design.

Coriolis Effect is ignored because they use a flat earth model in their designs.

Wind Speed is the only force that they incorporate into their designs for rocket thrust. They do not take into account coriolis or Earth rotational speed - Remembering they use an West to East trajectory when launching from Cape Canaveral, which means the Earth would be rotating towards the rocket. I don't know if West to East is the only trajectory they use.

I did not make a note of the documents he was going through. I intended to do that today. I recall one was from 2011 - Flat Earth model being used. 1966 was another one and I think that was a heavy lift or might have been a missile. There was also one which I recall was the 1990's, maybe 1996 and that was Space Shuttle related. All government documents downloaded from Government web sites.

Luriya

12th May 2016, 10:40 AM

Anyone heard of the concave earth theory? Seems pretty interesting

Shami-Amourae

12th May 2016, 10:54 AM

Anyone heard of the concave earth theory? Seems pretty interesting

They are all bullshit psyops.

madfranks

12th May 2016, 11:58 AM

Anyone heard of the concave earth theory? Seems pretty interestingIs that like the hollow earth theory which posits that we're all actually inside a hollow sphere, and the sun is actually the center of the hollow world?

Joshua01

12th May 2016, 12:20 PM

Is that like the hollow earth theory which posits that we're all actually inside a hollow sphere, and the sun is actually the center of the hollow world?

What you're describing is an LSD trip

madfranks

12th May 2016, 01:23 PM

What you're describing is an LSD tripIt's totally true, this infographic proves it: :rolleyes:

http://www.crystalinks.com/agarthamap.jpg

Joshua01

12th May 2016, 01:36 PM

It's totally true, this infographic proves it: :rolleyes:

http://www.crystalinks.com/agarthamap.jpg

Oh, well, alrighty then!

Glass

13th May 2016, 03:56 AM

no the hollow earth story says that we live on the outside. I don't know anything about what would be on the inside. When hollywood did the story there were dinosaurs n shit. If Cheech and Chong went there there'd be bitchin weed and those red mushrooms with white polkadots on them and Chong would be dressed up in like a pink tutu and stuff. And the world was ruled by a punk rock goblin king. maybe.

Joshua01

13th May 2016, 07:02 AM

Or maybe, just maybe...the Earth is round and it revolves around the sun with the other planets. I'll go out on a limb here and also say the moon revolves around the Earth, is round and NOT made of green cheese...and I don't think it's a hologram either...

But that's just me, call me crazy

Glass

13th May 2016, 07:05 AM

StreetsOfGold

13th May 2016, 07:28 AM

Judging by the pictures I have seen, the earth and the moon are clearly the same size.

This is called your (God given) COMMON sense.
Which is NO LONGER common?

Why?

When you're a child and just starting to understand the world you live in, you realize BEFORE you can walk SIMPLE things, like you just stated.
The sun and moon ARE the SAME size
The earth does NOT move
The SUN is what moves, NOT the earth!
etc.
But as soon as TPTB can GRAB your child they start the process of DESTROYING your (God given) COMMON SENSE by telling you that your common sense is WRONG!

The earth is really moving!
Really?
The sun is really so "big" the earth would look like a dot in comparison (they supply CGI/Artist drawings to PLANT in your mind these deceits)
Really?
etc, etc

and you are BRAINWASHED to believe this THUS your GOD GIVEN common sense is now QUESTIONED, and can no longer be trusted, you have relinquished your common sense to "THEM" and their "science" (falsely so called)

Joshua01

13th May 2016, 07:31 AM

This is called your (God given) COMMON sense.
Which is NO LONGER common?

Why?

When you're a child and just starting to understand the world you live in, you realize BEFORE you can walk SIMPLE things, like you just stated.
The sun and moon ARE the SAME size
The earth does NOT move
The SUN is what moves, NOT the earth!
etc.
But as soon as TPTB can GRAB your child they start the process of DESTROYING your (God given) COMMON SENSE by telling you that your common sense is WRONG!

The earth is really moving!
Really?
The sun is really so "big" the earth would look like a dot in comparison (they supply CGI/Artist drawings to PLANT in your mind these deceits)
Really?
etc, etc

and you are BRAINWASHED to believe this THUS your GOD GIVEN common sense is now QUESTIONED, and can no longer be trusted, you have relinquished your common sense to "THEM" and their "science" (falsely so called)

How do you know? 'Common sense' gun laws make my brain bleed....tell me about THIS 'common sense' you're talking about....walk me through it

Neuro

13th May 2016, 08:24 AM

This is called your (God given) COMMON sense.
Which is NO LONGER common?

Why?

When you're a child and just starting to understand the world you live in, you realize BEFORE you can walk SIMPLE things, like you just stated.
The sun and moon ARE the SAME size
The earth does NOT move
The SUN is what moves, NOT the earth!
etc.
But as soon as TPTB can GRAB your child they start the process of DESTROYING your (God given) COMMON SENSE by telling you that your common sense is WRONG!

The earth is really moving!
Really?
The sun is really so "big" the earth would look like a dot in comparison (they supply CGI/Artist drawings to PLANT in your mind these deceits)
Really?
etc, etc

and you are BRAINWASHED to believe this THUS your GOD GIVEN common sense is now QUESTIONED, and can no longer be trusted, you have relinquished your common sense to "THEM" and their "science" (falsely so called)

You don't understand Newtonian physics do you? Most of the manmade mechanical things in your life is engineered around that common sense approach...

monty

13th May 2016, 11:34 AM

Reno Nevada is about 34° north latitude. Rancagua Chile is about 34° south latitude. When looking at the constellations in Rancagua the constellations are upside down from when looking at them in Reno. On the equator they are half way between The way they appear in Rancagua and in Reno.

Joshua01

13th May 2016, 11:35 AM

Glass

13th May 2016, 05:56 PM

this is an official nasa picture called earth rise from Apollo 8:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/image/planetary/earth/apollo08_earthrise.jpg

what is wrong with this picture?

Neuro

14th May 2016, 01:23 AM

this is an official nasa picture called earth rise from Apollo 8:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/image/planetary/earth/apollo08_earthrise.jpg

what is wrong with this picture?

This was taken by Apollo 8 aproximately 110 km above the lunar surface, shouldn't the moons horizon be rounded?

JohnQPublic

14th May 2016, 11:07 AM

This was taken by Apollo 8 aproximately 110 km above the lunar surface, shouldn't the moons horizon be rounded?

Flat moon theory? :)

Neuro

14th May 2016, 12:34 PM

Flat moon theory? :)

It gives the impression of being round, ball shaped when looking at it through a telescope. I guess a more likely theory would be if it is a photomontage, as it is not likely that the Astronauts went through the lethal radiation of the Van Allen belts to reach the moon and back. Thus the first earth rise looks like this with no rounded horizon. And without the Apollo 8 experience the later "missions" in the Apollo programme weren't possible...

Essentially if they faked the photo for this mission because they couldn't go, nothing after happened either!

osoab

14th May 2016, 05:10 PM

this is an official nasa picture called earth rise from Apollo 8:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/image/planetary/earth/apollo08_earthrise.jpg

what is wrong with this picture?

I don't like the shadow in the bottom right corner.

Glass

14th May 2016, 07:19 PM

I don't think it's big enough. I would expect it to fill a much bigger portion of the picture.

A 2D picture presents the planets as a disc. Earths disc area is 13.5 times bigger than the moons. I just don't think that the Earth disc is 13.5 times bigger than the moons disc (that we see from earth) in that picture.

I know the earth moon distance changes but I don't think it's enough to have such a big difference in apparent size.

I've looked at things like magnification effect of the atmosphere on the moon or sun and it seems like there is some inconsistency with what science groups or space agencies say is the cause. Sun or moon can appear bigger on the horizon as they set.

Things like we are looking through more atmosphere at the horizon than when looking straight up but then there are others saying it is an optical illusion because we also see earth objects in the same view and that makes it appear bigger.

My mind tells me the earth should be YUGE in that image and yet it doesn't look it. It looks like some one just used the size of the moon from earth as a guide.

Neuro

15th May 2016, 05:59 AM

I don't like the shadow in the bottom right corner.

That's the shadow of Stanley Kubrick, great man, what's not to like about it?

;D

osoab

15th May 2016, 02:38 PM

That's the shadow of Stanley Kubrick, great man, what's not to like about it?

;D

Don't you mean the shadow of NASA?

Kubrick wouldn't let that slide.

Neuro

15th May 2016, 03:58 PM

Don't you mean the shadow of NASA?

Kubrick wouldn't let that slide.

It's hard to say either way.

Glass

17th May 2016, 05:26 AM

When you look at a sphere from a distance it basically looks like a disc. So lets treat it as a disc (circle) and do some calcs.

Measurements and calcs are in Kilometres.

Radius of the Earth: 6371
Radius of the Moon: 1737

pi = 3.14159265359
r= radius of a circle

Circumference of a circle: 2 x pi x r

Earth: 2 x 3.14159265359 x 6371 = 40030.17 kms
Moon : 2 x 3.14159265359 x 1737 = 10913.89 kms

Area of a circle: pi x (r x r) or pi x radius squared

Earth: 3.14159265359 x (6371 x 6371) = 127,516,000 square kms
Moon : 3.14159265359 x (1737 x 1737) = 9,478,720 square kms

Area of the moon disc divided into the area of the Earth disc:

127,516,000 / 9,478,720 = 13.45 Moon discs would fit in an Earth disc

The Earth disc should be 13.45 bigger than the Moon disc.

So do these calc work?

Glass

5th July 2016, 02:08 AM

Max Igan flew Santiago to Sydney. Finally proves to FE'ers that the route does exist. I know people who have done it.

Finds personal compass indicates a SSW direction during second half of flight, where it should show a NNW direction. In flight journey screen shows NNW as does planes entertainment system compass. Can there be a reading/communication issue between on board compass and infotainment system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEYcOwOFZHE

I'm not sure the in flight diagram is showing exact trajectory. It might be showing a curved trajectory to indicate inclination - climbing and descending. I don't know if that is the case or not. The flight path is claimed to be down and under the planet close to the pole then back up. Not straight across horizontally or slightly north out of Chile then south into Sydney.

PatColo

14th August 2016, 12:35 PM

Charles Giuliani spent the 2nd hour of his Fri show discussing FE for his first time. Safe to say he's against it! :P Funny, he mentions at the outset that FE theory has grown huge... whereas from my experience, it seemed to peak sometime perhaps around last new years? This could just correspond with the demise of Mami's Shit (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/) for a few months around then; it revived somewhat this past Spring but with fewer mod/admins adding new blog entries daily. Gone is "delcroix" who used to account for nearly all of their former FE blogs, which was sometimes one+/day. Now zilch/daily @ Mami's, nor at Whoolisblog (http://whoolisblog.blogspot.com/) who was a former Mami's mod. If delcroix maintains a blog somewhere now, I'd guess you could still be inundated with latest FE links, and think it's a raging topic on the interwebs.

Kyle hunt calls in at 67m 40s & asks what CG thinks of NASA's track record of lying, 'shopped "photos", Apollo hoax etc; and CG is fully on board with that. Otherwise, need to listen I guess! Begin @ 56 mins:

Truth Hertz with Charles Giuliani 2016.08.12 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2016/08/truth-hertz-with-charles-giuliani_12.html)

http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/media/Renegade2.png (http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S4KfAyiz6Ns/VfXy4B6Y8VI/AAAAAAAAAJI/I3ULDcmmp0o/s200/Giuliani.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S4KfAyiz6Ns/VfXy4B6Y8VI/AAAAAAAAAJI/I3ULDcmmp0o/s1600/Giuliani.jpg)
Charles talks about the horrors the German women faced in WW2 and then moves onto arguing against the flat earth theory.

Renegade Broadcasting (http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/)
Renegade Tribune (http://renegadetribune.com/)
Renegade Archive for Truth Hertz (http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/hosts/charles-giuliani/)

32k CF Download (https://archive.org/download/TruthHertzWithCharlesGiuliani2016.08.12/Truth%20Hertz%20with%20Charles%20Giuliani%202016.0 8.12.mp3)

Glass

14th August 2016, 10:43 PM

some people are late to the party and already there is a mountain of material online. So for a newcomer it can look huge.

I think for a lot of people it has become a belief so critical analysis is difficult for those people.

I think there are a lot of questions about how things are described but I don't think flat earth is the 100% viable alternative. It's hard to look at the moon and conclude it is 240 million miles away given the amount of detail that can be seen with the naked eye. It's also hard to explain why spots of light are visible on it's surface during a lunar occultation of the sun. As if sun light is shining through it.

It's also hard to explain why the pictures of the earth taken from the moon show the earth is about the same size as the moon appears from earth, when the earth is 4 times larger.. The earth should be massive in a moon sky and it is simply isn't.

Its hard to explain why they use CGI and chroma screen for astronaut and ISS footage. And why astronauts wear suspension harnesses under their clothing when "suspended" in zero gravity on the ISS.

I can't explain why GPS works at the north pole IF it is ground based as the FE'ers claim, although I do agree positioning systems were clearly ground based in the past. Maybe it uses LF of ULF, but the antennas are very small suggesting the frequency is much much higher than LF or ULF.

The flat horizon is not 100% unequivocal proof just because they say it is,

How does NASA know that the energy reaching earth took 1 million years to reach the surface of the sun in the first place.

How can the earth be pear shaped when it and every other planet ever photographed is nearly perfectly round? I guess this should exclude pluto, Remembering pluto is not a planet.

I'm starting to lean towards the idea that the earth is actually much larger than what we are told. We might be looking at a hemisphere or part of a hemisphere. This could explain a large flat horizon. Of course from this vantage point it's impossible to know either way,.

Alex Drone

15th August 2016, 07:31 AM

I think the flat earth theory is a disinfo campaign. They want to test how gullible we are. I had a friend of mine who is really into conspiracies explain the FE theory to me. He pointed out how the UN logo depicts a flat earth. For a moment it left me perplexed. Then I asked him how do you explain what causes night and day, the different time zones, and the changes of season. How is one part of the world in daylight at the same time that a different part of the world is night? That can't happen with a flat earth. The flat earthers on purposely avoid discussing those things. Eric Dubay, I believe, is the biggest proponent of this theory. He is also big into Jewish conspiracies. I think they want to link 9-11 truthers and holocaust deniers with flat earthers.

Santa

15th August 2016, 07:54 AM

Yep... they'll have people believing Bruce Jenner's a woman and mesa's are old tree stumps. We'll all be watering our gardens with Brawndo in no time.

I think the flat earth theory is a disinfo campaign. They want to test how gullible we are. I had a friend of mine who is really into conspiracies explain the FE theory to me. He pointed out how the UN logo depicts a flat earth. For a moment it left me perplexed. Then I asked him how do you explain what causes night and day, the different time zones, and the changes of season. How is one part of the world in daylight at the same time that a different part of the world is night? That can't happen with a flat earth. The flat earthers on purposely avoid discussing those things. Eric Dubay, I believe, is the biggest proponent of this theory. He is also big into Jewish conspiracies. I think they want to link 9-11 truthers and holocaust deniers with flat earthers.

StreetsOfGold

15th August 2016, 09:11 AM

I think the flat earth theory is a disinfo campaign.

You can think this if you like but the facts speak for themselves!
ALL old maps BEFORE NASA are flat earth maps.
Don't give me this "we know better now" baloney either.
We KNOW the fake moon missions were meant to CEMENT the spinning ball earth evolution brainwashing into sheeples minds!

Here's one such OLD map for sale

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20078/lot/2081/

Alex Drone

15th August 2016, 04:42 PM

You can think this if you like but the facts speak for themselves!
ALL old maps BEFORE NASA are flat earth maps.
Don't give me this "we know better now" baloney either.
We KNOW the fake moon missions were meant to CEMENT the spinning ball earth evolution brainwashing into sheeples minds!

Here's one such OLD map for sale

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20078/lot/2081/

As for conspiracies I'd like to know the motivations. If the earth is flat, what would be the reason for the elites to want the people to believe otherwise? What are they trying to hide?

Dogman

15th August 2016, 04:45 PM

Smoke & mirrors..

Lmfao !

Glass

15th August 2016, 08:02 PM

Then I asked him how do you explain what causes night and day, the different time zones, and the changes of season. How is one part of the world in daylight at the same time that a different part of the world is night? That can't happen with a flat earth. The flat earthers on purposely avoid discussing those things.

There a ton of material on those questions. If you skip back through this thread I think I've linked in vids that deal with it. If not there's plenty out there.

They basically say that the earth is a disc - using the map displayed on the UN flag/logo as a base example. It has a name. I don't recall it. The sun and moon travel overhead in a circle ~ 180 degrees apart. There is the equator circle plus 2 tropic circles - Cancer and Capricorn - one is northern hemisphere, one is southern hemisphere. OR on FE one is smaller being the inner circle to the equator and the other larger being the outer circle to the equator.

The sun and maybe the moon travel along those lines tracing the tropic of cancer, then the equator, then capricorn, then back to the equator then back to cancer etc.

I tried to find a simple illustration on YT but can't see one at the moment. This is more complicated but eventually he shows the illustration I was looking for, in the last minute. What he describes works either way, FE or BE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XugZ9wGnk9M

I don't put any trust in Dubay, Sargent or Steere. I think they are LHO.

There are clearly blind spots in FE but NASA's shenanigans are definitely cause for questioning what is going on. Otherwise why would they go to all the effort or not go to any effort as the case may be.

PatColo

15th August 2016, 08:48 PM