san bernardino mass shooting [Archive] - Page 2

Shami-Amourae

5th December 2015, 02:32 PM

For example, Mediaite observes (http://www.mediaite.com/online/gunman-family-lawyer-compares-san-bernardino-to-sandy-hook-conspiracy-theories/):

Syed Farook‘s family lawyer Friday said “there were a lot of questions” surrounding the San Bernardino shootings, at one point floating Sandy Hook conspiracy theories to suggest the crime did not occur as the FBI claims.

In an interview with CNN’s Chris Cuomo, attorney David Chesley iterated reports that the attack had nothing to do with terrorism, saying, “there have been suggestions that it may be something that was related to their work, that somehow he was a disgruntled employee.”

“I mean obviously these things were found there, how they got there we don’t know.”

Read the comment section of the Mediaite article you linked to:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/gunman-family-lawyer-compares-san-bernardino-to-sandy-hook-conspiracy-theories/

Everyone thinks the Sandy Hook Didn't Happen Truthers are fucking nuts, and it's just discrediting this lawyer more and making him look like a kook.

Tennessee3501 (https://disqus.com/by/Tennessee3501/) • 3 hours ago (http://www.mediaite.com/online/gunman-family-lawyer-compares-san-bernardino-to-sandy-hook-conspiracy-theories/#comment-2395090611) These are truly brilliant attorneys. They will soon announce that the American Revolution was a hoax so that the colonists could smuggle in their "tea" and that we are all still subjects of England. They will then call for Queen Elizabeth's arrest for orchestrating the San Bernadino massacre!

TaraXCX (https://disqus.com/by/TaraXCX/) • 3 hours ago (http://www.mediaite.com/online/gunman-family-lawyer-compares-san-bernardino-to-sandy-hook-conspiracy-theories/#comment-2395067468) "There were a lot of questions drawn with Sandy Hook and whether or not that was a real incident or not,” Chelsey added, insisting “there has been a lot speculation about” the elementary school massacre that killed 20 children and six adults."
The theories have been debunked over and over again. And, most of them come from batsh-- crazy anti-government folks.

(https://disqus.com/by/disqus_C22Om1aCVL/) Rothbard's Revenge (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_C22Om1aCVL/) • 21 hours ago (http://www.mediaite.com/online/gunman-family-lawyer-compares-san-bernardino-to-sandy-hook-conspiracy-theories/#comment-2394079277) Guaranteed he's being booked for the Alex Jones' show within a week.

Shami-Amourae

5th December 2015, 02:35 PM

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Notice how people are connecting this with that crazy conspiracy clown Alex Jones with Muh Crisis Actors narrative.

This is how people turn AWAY from the Truther movement. You're discrediting it. How can you not see this?! Do you have any idea how crazy you make the rest of us look who are trying to solve real problems, like oh I don't know the fucking invasion of Islam into the West?

/pol/ is laughing at Muh Crisis Actors narrative.
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/57445839/#57446219
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/57548460/#57549030
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/57481551/#57483951

YOUR NARRATIVE IS A JOKE ON /pol/!

Jewboo

5th December 2015, 02:42 PM

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Notice how people are connecting this with that crazy conspiracy clown Alex Jones with Muh Crisis Actors narrative.

This is how people turn AWAY from the Truther movement. You're discrediting it. How can you not see this?! Do you have any idea how crazy you make the rest of us look who are trying to solve real problems, like oh I don't know the fucking invasion of Islam into the West?

Problem is PatColo and Amanda honestly believe this stuff. Fine by me that they post here. At least they are sincere and polite members. Not anywhere near as destructive as HORN posting thousands and thousands of nonsense music videos and one-liners in other member's threads. He is the ultimate thread wrecker at GSUS.

Shami-Amourae

5th December 2015, 02:46 PM

Problem is PatColo and Amanda honestly believe this stuff. Fine by me that they post here. At least they are sincere and polite members. Not anywhere near as destructive as HORN posting thousands and thousands of nonsense music videos and one-liners in other member's threads. He is the ultimate thread wrecker at GSUS.

I don't want to get into a conflict with either PatColo or Amanda. I just think they are misdirected on this one subject. PatColo is pretty spot on on pretty much everything else here and I appreciate his input/work.

I am very concerned this Narrative is damaging to the reputation of everyone, EVEN if it's 100% true.

Shami-Amourae

5th December 2015, 02:51 PM

This was posted on /pol/:

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1449/31/1449310668901.jpg

The Muh Crisis Actor people are claiming this is the same woman from another "False Flag".

Notice the location/size of the nose on her face. It's clearly too different people who just coincidentally look similar.

Shami-Amourae

5th December 2015, 02:54 PM

JohnQPublic

5th December 2015, 02:59 PM

I don't want to get into a conflict with either PatColo or Amanda. I just think they are misdirected on this one subject. PatColo is pretty spot on on pretty much everything else here and I appreciate his input/work.

I am very concerned this Narrative is damaging to the reputation of everyone, EVEN if it's 100% true.

If it is 100% true, what narrative should we follow?

I am not yet convinced that SB is a false flag, but I am awaiting more evidence. I still want to see a more direct link between the dead suspects and the shooters. No one identified the shooters so far as Syed, nor his wife. The two witnesses they did bring out had no idea who they were, and were not even sure there was more than one shooter. The evidence is damning for the suspects, but they were chased into SB from Redlands a few hours after the actual shooters fled.

Jewboo

5th December 2015, 03:02 PM

This was posted on /pol/:

The Muh Crisis Actor people are claiming this is the same woman from another "False Flag".

Notice the location/size of the nose on her face. It's clearly too different people who just coincidentally look similar.

http://consciouslyenlightened.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/cnn-crisis-actress.jpg https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/227773_210984795693230_1763769712_n.jpg

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/1079ishot.com/files/2013/01/baldwins.jpeg

Muh Crisis Actor websites regularly PHOTOSHOP changes to actual news photos then claim there is something suspicious going on.

JohnQPublic

5th December 2015, 03:03 PM

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1449/17/1449173986072.jpg

Full thread dedicated to making fun of the Crisis Actor narrative.
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/57403399/#57403399

They are calling them "crISIS actors" to mock and laugh at you!
:rolleyes:

I don't find these photo comparisons very convincing. The photo resolution is much too low, and a lot of people could look similar enough at these resolutions to make the comparisons look really close. Still, it does not hurt to look at these, and maybe if something concrete comes up (one or two moles, some very distinct feature, etc.) something worthwhile could come from it.

Offer alternative explanations when you see them.

Shami-Amourae

5th December 2015, 03:03 PM

If it is 100% true, what narrative should we follow?

Stop bringing Islamic refugees into Western nations since we get terrorist attacks like this.

That's something we can actually fight and stop. If we don't we'll collapse like Sweden is about to. It's also a Narrative many people can get behind since many people believe it but don't have the courage to speak up. This terrorist attack gives people reason and evidence that bringing in millions of Muslims into Western countries is bad. I know many Leftist people who are turning very anti-Islam and anti-refugee recently because of the recent terrorist attacks. Adding in the Crisis Actor narrative confuses them and actually hurts the possibility of people getting angry with the Muslim invaders.

Shami-Amourae

5th December 2015, 03:06 PM

I don't find these photo comparisons very convincing. The photo resolution is much too low, and a lot of people could look similar enough at these resolutions to make the comparisons look really close. Still, it does not hurt to look at these, and maybe if something concrete comes up (one or two moles, some very distinct feature, etc.) something worthwhile could come from it.

The photo is a satire of the one Jewboo posted in another thread above.

At /pol/ they are satirizing the Crisis Actor Narrative. It's a total joke and they put out a lot of false information to bait people who believe in the Narrative to make them look stupid.

A lot of the Flat Earth/Crisis Actor Narratives were done by trolls on 4chan/8chan to make fun of people.

Me and Jewboo hangout at these places so we're telling you this is what's going on. Hangout there yourself and you'll find out it's true.

JohnQPublic

5th December 2015, 03:07 PM

Stop bringing Islamic refugees into Western nations since we get terrorist attacks like this.

That's something we can actually fight and stop. If we don't we'll collapse like Sweden is about to.

I agree with that also, but if someone is using these events, or even staging these events to drive bigger agendas, it needs to be exposed.

JohnQPublic

5th December 2015, 03:08 PM

The photo is a satire of the one Jewboo posted in another thread above.

At /pol/ they are satirizing the Crisis Actor Narrative. It's a total joke and they put out a lot of false information to bait people who believe in the Narrative to make them look stupid.

A lot of the Flat Earth/Crisis Actor Narratives were done by trolls on 4chan/8chan to make fun of people.

Me and Jewboo hangout at these places so we're telling you this is what's going on. Hangout there yourself and you'll find out it's true.

That is good information to add to these threads.

Jewboo

5th December 2015, 03:10 PM

I agree with that also, but if someone is using these events, or even staging these events to drive bigger agendas, it needs to be exposed.

http://i.imgur.com/zfENLm1.png

JohnQPublic

5th December 2015, 03:12 PM

http://i.imgur.com/zfENLm1.png

Not sure if he is a crisis actor or a crisis director.

Jewboo

5th December 2015, 03:20 PM

If it is 100% true, what narrative should we follow?

I am not yet convinced that SB is a false flag, but I am awaiting more evidence. I still want to see a more direct link between the dead suspects and the shooters. No one identified the shooters so far as Syed, nor his wife. The two witnesses they did bring out had no idea who they were, and were not even sure there was more than one shooter. The evidence is damning for the suspects, but they were chased into SB from Redlands a few hours after the actual shooters fled.

Gosh...a post actually on topic in this thread about San Bernardino. So why were members posting unrelated shit about David Icke and Sandy Hook with hijack links in this thread?

:rolleyes:

Shami-Amourae

5th December 2015, 03:25 PM

Gosh...a post actually on topic in this thread about San Bernardino. So why were members posting unrelated shit about David Icke and Sandy Hook with hijack links in this thread?

:rolleyes:

Actually Sandy Hook is connected now since the lawyers of the terrorists are using the Crisis Actor Narrative as a legal defense. Basically the whole Crisis Actor movement is so large now they think they can piggieback on it with all the Jay-Z Pop-Star Illuminati crap.

Sandy Hook might have been a false flag, but I'm unsure on that one myself. I honestly don't care about it anymore though since we have more important things hitting us right now.

My assumption is that now that False Flags are harder to pull off that TPTB are creating this Crisis Actor narrative to Boy Who Cried World every terrorist/shooting attack. That way if/when they decide to do a real False Flag, no one believes the Truthers since they will be discredited. That's how I'd discredit the Truther movement.

Jewboo

5th December 2015, 03:32 PM

Sandy Hook might have been a false flag, but I'm unsure on that one myself. I honestly don't care about it anymore though since we have more important things hitting us right now.

Only have to scroll up to see who derailed this SAN BERNADINO MASS SHOOTING thread away from the SAN BERNADINO MASS SHOOTING.

:)

Cebu_4_2

5th December 2015, 03:54 PM

Not sure if he is a crisis actor or a crisis director.

Crisis cock holster for our "allies".

Horn

5th December 2015, 04:05 PM

Problem is PatColo and Amanda honestly believe this stuff. Fine by me that they post here. At least they are sincere and polite members. Not anywhere near as destructive as HORN posting thousands and thousands of nonsense music videos and one-liners in other member's threads. He is the ultimate thread wrecker at GSUS.

Book, you've been banned probably 30 times from forum appearing under as many different handles.

Quit derailing another thread (as is typical) into your very own version of "MUH feelings hurt".

Horn

5th December 2015, 04:11 PM

Jewboo

5th December 2015, 04:22 PM

Book, stop bringing attention to my thousands of music videos and shitposts in other member's threads.

<Lines edited by Jewboo- stop doing that, or at least make it obvious you did, JQP>

:rolleyes:

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Horn

5th December 2015, 04:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=25&v=fOROQeimows

Employees share videos from inside Inland Regional Center in aftermath of San Bernardino shooting
(http://www.theweek.com/speedreads/592005/employees-share-videos-from-inside-inland-regional-center-aftermath-san-bernardino-shooting)

Active-shooter drills are routine at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, and when nurse Dorothy Vong saw law enforcement officers start rushing into her building Wednesday morning, she assumed they were just practicing. Soon, she realized it was the real deal, and filmed the officers from her office window as they stormed the building. Later, she would find out that a shooting in her building left 14 people dead and 17 injured.

http://www.theweek.com/speedreads/592005/employees-share-videos-from-inside-inland-regional-center-aftermath-san-bernardino-shooting

Horn

5th December 2015, 04:27 PM

Talk about a jihadist, what an example of one's race.

mick silver

5th December 2015, 07:31 PM

Farook Family Lawyer Suggests San Bernardino Attack Was Faked, Along With Sandy Hook
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Farook_Family_Lawyer_Suggests_San_Bernardino_Attac k_Was_Faked%2C_Along_With_Sandy_Hook/47648/0/38/38/Y/M.html

Cebu_4_2

6th December 2015, 05:14 AM

All those pigs cowering and grouping up remind me of a piece of bubblegum and ants...

mick silver

6th December 2015, 06:01 AM

Islamic State claims California mass killers as followersSAN BERNARDINO, Calif. | By Yasmeen Abutaleb and Rory Carroll

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. Islamic State said on Saturday that the married couple who killed 14 people in a mass shooting in Southern California were its followers, and FBI agents raided a home apparently belonging to a friend of the husband.
Islamic State's claim came in an online audio broadcast three days after U.S.-born Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and his Pakistani wife Tashfeen Malik, 29, opened fire with assault rifles on a holiday party for civil servants in San Bernardino, 60 miles (100 km) east of Los Angeles.
The pair, who had left their six-month-old baby daughter with relatives, were killed two hours later in a shootout with police SWAT team members.
Federal agents tore through a garage door to search a house in Riverside, a few miles (km) southwest of San Bernardino, on a street where neighbors said Farook once lived.
An FBI spokeswoman confirmed agents made a "precautionary tactical entry" while serving a federal search warrant, but she declined to give details.
Neighbors named the man who lived there as Enrique Marquez and said he was often seen with Farook.
NBC News said the house belongs to a man who authorities believe bought the rifles used in the attack.
As investigators probe Wednesday's rampage as an act of terrorism, the White House said President Barack Obama will address the nation on Sunday evening to update the public.
If the Dec. 2 mass shooting proves to have been the work of people inspired by Islamist militants, it would be the deadliest such attack in the United States since Sept. 11, 2001.
Related Coverage

› FBI searches California shooter Farook's former neighbor's home (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-shooting-raid-idUSKBN0TO0SJ20151206?mod=related&channelName=domesticNews)

'WHOLE NEW APPROACH'
Jeh Johnson, the secretary of Homeland Security, told the New York Times the country has entered "an entirely new phase" in the global threat from extremists.
Enemies such as Islamic State have "in effect outsourced attempts to attack our homeland," he told the newspaper. "We've seen this not just here but in other places. This requires a whole new approach, in my view."
FBI officials say Farook and Malik seem to have been inspired by foreign militant groups, but that there was no sign they worked with any of them or that Islamic State even knew who they were.
Estranged relatives of Malik say she and her father seemed to have abandoned the family's moderate Islam and become more radicalized during time they spent in Saudi Arabia.
While Obama's team has not yet found evidence the couple was part of an organized group or broader terrorist cell, it said on Saturday that "several pieces" of information "point to the perpetrators being radicalized to violence."
If that turned out to be the case, Obama said in a radio address, it would underscore a long-recognized threat: "the danger of people succumbing to violent extremist ideologies."
Related Videoimage: http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?d=20151206&i=114057050&w=140&r=114057050-1&t=2 (http://www.reuters.com/article/video/idUSKBN0TO0BD20151206?videoId=366579899&mod=related&channelName=domesticNews)
http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?d=20151206&i=114057050&w=140&r=114057050-1&t=2
Memorial held for San Bernardino victim (http://www.reuters.com/article/video/idUSKBN0TO0BD20151206?videoId=366579899&mod=related&channelName=domesticNews)

Islamic State also claimed responsibility for a Nov. 13 series of attacks in Paris in which gunmen and suicide bombers killed 130 people.
"Two followers of Islamic State attacked several days ago a center in San Bernardino in California," the group's daily online radio broadcast al-Bayan said on Saturday.
An English-language version released later called them "soldiers" of Islamic State, rather than "followers" as in the original Arabic. That inconsistency could not immediately be explained.
'DIFFERENT MINDSET'
The broadcast came a day after Facebook confirmed that comments praising Islamic State were posted around the time of the shooting to an account set up by Malik under an alias.
It was not clear if the comments were posted by Malik, or by someone with access to her page.
Malik moved from Pakistan to Saudi Arabia with her father when she was a toddler, then returned to Pakistan to study pharmacy at a university in Multan from 2007 to 2012.
Estranged relatives interviewed by Reuters in Karor Lal Esan, in Pakistan's central Punjab province, said she and her father appeared to change their views while in Saudi Arabia.
"From what we heard, they lived differently, their mindset is different. ... this is very shocking for us," said school teacher Hifza Bibi, a step-sister of Malik's father.
While at university, Malik was known as a good student and had no known religious extremist tendencies, a local intelligence official said.
Fellow mosque-goers in San Bernadino remember her exuding beauty and happiness two years ago at a reception for hundreds of guests after her marriage to Farook.
The couple had two assault-style rifles, two handguns, 12 pipe bombs and more than 6,000 rounds of ammunition in their home or with them when they were killed, officials said, prompting fears they might have been plotting more attacks.
The mass shooting sparked a new round of the firearms debate with Obama and the New York Times calling for new limits on gun ownership. Many pro-gun voices, including some Republican contenders for the White House, said the new laws would not have stopped the rampage.
The New York Times, in its first front-page editorial for nearly a century, called it "a moral outrage and a national disgrace" that the sort of firearms used in the attack were readily available.
(Additional reporting by Emily Flitter (http://blogs.reuters.com/search/journalist.php?edition=us&n=emily.flitter&) in New York, Alex Dobuzinskis (http://blogs.reuters.com/search/journalist.php?edition=us&n=alex.dobuzinskis&) in Los Angeles, Daina Beth Solomon in San Bernadino, Amjad Ali in Islamabad, Syed Raza Hassan in Karachi, amd Omar Fahmy in Cairo; Writing by Scott Malone (http://blogs.reuters.com/search/journalist.php?edition=us&n=scott.malone&) and Daniel Wallis (http://blogs.reuters.com/search/journalist.php?edition=us&n=daniel.wallis&); Editing by Alan Crosby and Chizu Nomiyama (http://blogs.reuters.com/search/journalist.php?edition=us&n=chizu.nomiyama&))

Read more at Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-shooting-idUSKBN0TO0BD20151206#06FO15qMLHZ1UyXE.99

mick silver

6th December 2015, 06:17 AM

midnight rambler

6th December 2015, 06:29 AM

thinking to myself ........... I thought the bad guys always like the ak47 so why did they used a ar15 is it too give the ar15 a bad name now so they can try and control the sales ... does anyone really know what they used there beside what we been told

Does anyone other than the actual perps know for sure that this petite young mother who was nursing a 6 month old baby at the time really twisted off and did what she is accused of?

mick silver

6th December 2015, 06:35 AM

that we can know she dead as dead can be ... has anyone seen a video of the shoot out yet of when they were killed In the suv , I keep seeing that they had a lot of pipe bombs why would they have not been used ??????????????they film every thing now ... did they fire from the suv

cheka.

6th December 2015, 07:41 AM

fox news quotes la times -- 3 shooters

cnn right now - witnesses say 3 shooters, fled in a black suv

commiefornia surely has video cameras all over those gov palaces -- waiting...

JohnQPublic

6th December 2015, 08:00 AM

fox news quotes la times -- 3 shooters

cnn right now - witnesses say 3 shooters, fled in a black suv

commiefornia surely has video cameras all over those gov palaces -- waiting...

Waiting too. Still no direct link between the two killed who were chased into SB from Redlands 3 hours after the shooting and the unidentified shooters; though potential is high that the 2 killed were involved. This is consistent with my earlier message: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?86306-san-bernardino-mass-shooting&p=803890&viewfull=1#post803890

BrewTech

6th December 2015, 09:11 AM

that we can never know she dead as dead can be ... has anyone seen a video of the shoot out yet of when they were killed In the suv , I keep seeing that they had a lot of pipe bombs why would they have not been used ??????????????they film every thing now ... did they fire from the suv

If they were shooting long rifles out of that SUV, why do all the pics I've seen show the windows that were shot out were CLOSED? Anyone want to try imagine how you would fire an AR-15 out a closed vehicle?

Jewboo

6th December 2015, 09:19 AM

.commiefornia surely has video cameras all over those gov palaces -- waiting..

http://www.art21.org/newyorkcloseup/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/GoPro-on-THs-Head-001-540x303.jpg

Both the husband and wife were reportedly wearing GoPro video cameras during the whole thing. The FBI has these video files that will show everything.

Horn

6th December 2015, 09:59 AM

San Bernardino shooter’s dad: He was ‘obsessed’ with Israel

In an interview with Italian daily La Stampa, Farook said that he once tried to console his son by promising him that Israel would not exist in another two years because “China, Russia and America will bring the Jews back to Ukraine.”

In Sunday’s La Stampa (link in Italian) report, Farook said, “My son said that he shared [IS leader Abu Bakr] Al Baghdadi’s ideology and supported the creation of the Islamic State. He was also obsessed with Israel.”

“I told him he had to stay calm and be patient because in two years Israel will not exist any more. Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China and America don’t want Jews there any more. They are going to bring the Jews back to Ukraine. What is the point of fighting? We have already done it and we lost. Israel is not to be fought with weapons, but with politics. But he did not listen to me, he was obsessed,” Farook explained to US correspondent Paolo Mastrolilli.

...

http://www.timesofisrael.com/san-bernardino-shooters-dad-he-was-obsessed-with-israel/

cheka.

6th December 2015, 10:05 AM

http://www.timesofisrael.com/san-bernardino-shooters-dad-he-was-obsessed-with-israel/

"obsessed with Israel"

so he shot up who, what, where?

that piece is a hoot :)

BrewTech

6th December 2015, 10:11 AM

so he shot up who, what, where?

that piece is a hoot :)

Funny how they never attack jooz, or synagogues, or the Israeli embassy or anything. But PP and government social services offices (what do these have in common? Easy!) seem to be favorite type targets, and for clear reasons, once one understands the purpose of these "unforeseen" events.

Horn

6th December 2015, 10:12 AM

"obsessed with Israel" so he shot up who, what, where?

that piece is a hoot :)

There's a reference in this Molyneax video @ 8:30 that suggests an argument prior to the shooting were with a Messianic Jew at the workplace, Not sure where that came from if verified?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a95c231FWbE

cheka.

6th December 2015, 10:16 AM

1 or 2 out of 35?

Horn

6th December 2015, 10:45 AM

Funny how they never attack jooz, or synagogues, or the Israeli embassy or anything. But PP and government social services offices (what do these have in common? Easy!) seem to be favorite type targets, and for clear reasons, once one understands the purpose of these "unforeseen" events.

Are there ant photos or footage of the actual crime scene?

How can anyone state anything about a crime if there's no crime scene? Sandyhook they were all over it, here I've seen none so far.

One thing is for sure, if people were used to seeing terror drills go down outside their windows, they would have hesitated to duck.

Jewboo

6th December 2015, 10:53 AM

video @ 8:30 that suggests an argument prior to the shooting were with a Messianic Jew at the workplace...

Hornstein sure is trying hard to make this into anudder holohoax. One jew. One. One out of how many victims?

http://img00.deviantart.net/cd8c/i/2005/147/f/2/praying_jewish_by_keren_r.gif oy vey...anudder anti-semitic hate crime against innocent joos

Shami-Amourae

6th December 2015, 10:57 AM

Hornstein sure is trying hard to make this into anudder holohoax. One jew. One. One out of how many victims?

http://img00.deviantart.net/cd8c/i/2005/147/f/2/praying_jewish_by_keren_r.gif oy vey...anudder anti-semitic hate crime against innocent joos

If a Jew dies it's international news. They are that important.

This was another Shoah. Don't you see that?

cheka.

6th December 2015, 12:04 PM

cops intentionally shooting/killing a hostage? is that important?

strange story...federal lawsuit....no suspect named, etc

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/2015/12/06/victim-neenah-shooting-identified/76880850/

NEENAH - The man who died after being shot Saturday at Eagle Nation Cycles was identified as Michael L. Funk, 60, according to attorney Cole White, who represented Funk in an ongoing federal lawsuit against the city.

Funk, also known as ML, was a regular at the Eagle Nation Cycles, 206 Main St.

"It is my understanding that ML was killed by law enforcement," White said Sunday. "I'm devastated at his loss. He was great guy."

White said Funk was being held at the motorcycle repair shop by a gunman who entered the business shortly before 9 a.m.

"He was one of the hostages," White said. "He was a victim of this other individual. We don't know what happened."

About 20 minutes after police arrived at the scene, police were shot at as they tried to get into the building to rescue hostages, Police Chief Kevin Wilkinson said. A bullet hit one officer’s helmet.

Soon afterward, police said, a man — believed to be Funk — left the building with a gun. Police shot at him when he did not drop the weapon at officers’ orders, Wilkinson said. He was taken to Theda Clark Medical Center in Neenah and later died of his injuries. Police have not confirmed the identity of the man who died.

At about 1 p.m. the alleged gunman exited Eagle Nation Cycles and surrendered to police.

Horn

6th December 2015, 01:01 PM

Nicholas Thalasinos, 52

http://www.trbimg.com/img-5660b6ba/turbine/la-undated-handout-photo-of-nicholas-thalasinos-who-was-one-of-14-people-killed-in-a-mass-shooting-at-t-20151203/200Courtesy of Jennifer ThalasinosInjury: Fatal
Gender: Male
Hometown: Colton
Occupation: Health inspector
Marital status: Married
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Jennifer Thalasinos said her husband, Nicholas, was a "very devout believer."

The couple, who met online and had been together for 14 years, were Messianic Jews. Nicholas Thalasinos wore tzitzit, traditional fringe tassels, as well as a tie clip with the Star of David.

"He became born again a couple of years ago, and because of that I had a very strong faith," she said, "so I know that he's in a much better place."

He evangelized many, she said. "He wanted to serve the Lord and bring more people to the Lord."Friends recalled him as man who was always willing to lend a hand.

Thalasinos said her husband, a health inspector, worked with shooting suspect Syed Rizwan Farook. She said that he was aware Farook was Muslim but had never mentioned that his co-worker had any extreme views. "If he would have ... my husband would have had something to say."

"They got along," she said. "As far as I know, [Syed] got along with everybody. That's what's so shocking."

Thalasinos said she had heard that before the shooting there may have been an argument at the party. She described her husband as very outspoken about Islamic terrorism, with strong conservative politics.

"I'm sure that he went down fighting and protecting people," she said.

Thalasinos' last public Facebook post, written just hours before the shooting, mentioned receiving a threatening message related to Israel.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-victims-htmlstory.html

cheka.

6th December 2015, 08:09 PM

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-06/san-bernardino-attack-eye-witness-three-tall-white-men-did-it

San Bernardino Attack Eye-Witness: "Three Tall White Men Did It"

A few interesting details have surfaced regarding Wednesday’s mass shooting dubbed ‘terror attack’ which killed 14 and injured 17 others. One of the most interesting comes from an eyewitness.

We now know that ATF investigators recovered police issued firearms from the alleged shooters. This key detail was leaked by 2016 GOP Presidential Candidate Carly Fiorina during a press interview after she had overheard a newsroom report that doesn’t fit the official narrative.

We also know that active shooter drills actually took place near the crime scene just days before and possibly even on the same day of the mass shooting as reported by Mac Slavo.

Additionally details from an eyewitness, who came forth on the day of the shooting, may have been overlooked by investigators and suggest that there were actually ‘three white shooters’ instead of the radicalized husband and wife natural-born killer team portrayed in some mainline reports.

The witness, Sally Abdelmageed, worked at Inland Medical Center where the attack took place and saw it all unfold firsthand. It’s also important to note that Abdelmageed is likely not lying and that this quite possibly might be the most accurate eyewitness account publicized to date. After all how can two shooters, a man and a petite woman, be mistaken for three white military men with athletic builds?

In a phone interview with CBS Abdelmageed explained:

"I heard shots fired and it was from you know an automatic weapon. [...] very unusual. Why would we hear shots? As we looked out the window a second set of shots goes off [...] and we saw a man fall to the floor. Then we just looked and we saw three men dressed in all black, military attire, with vests on they were holding assault rifles. As soon as they opened up the doors to building three [...] one of them [...] started to shoot into the room."

When asked what the gunman that shot into the room looked like the eyewitness replied:

"I couldn’t see a face, he had a black hat on […] black cargo pants, the kind with the big puffy pockets on the side [...] long sleeve shirt [...] gloves [...] huge assault rifle [...] six magazines […] I just saw three dressed exactly the same”.

“You are certain you saw three men,” the newscaster asked Abdelmageed.

“Yes,” said Abdelmageed.

“It looked like their skin color was white. They look like they were athletic build and they appeared to be tall.”

In a shill-like manner the CBS reporter responded, “And of course we just learned that one suspect was a woman.”

JohnQPublic

6th December 2015, 08:23 PM

JohnQPublic

6th December 2015, 08:27 PM

cheka.

6th December 2015, 08:34 PM

more at link...including photo analysis

http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethise8.html

The lawyer that got assigned to this case ended up being a huge problem for the false flag crew because he ended up being a good guy. And he spilled a key piece of evidence on national television - that both shooters were found behind the back seat of the SUV shot to pieces and already in handcuffs. So this opens a huge can of worms that blows a lot of secrets, the story HAS TO go like this now:

The couple was hunted down as they were out and about together, murdered, and stuffed in the back of the SUV behind the rear seat. Subsequently (and there is no other way this could happen) the SUV, which was completely modern and full drive by wire, was then remote control driven "Hastings style" and the police shot it full of holes until a bullet cut a wire somewhere and it stopped. The police reported the couple was in full combat gear, but in reality the wife (who was the only one shown after the police shot up the SUV) was in shorts, high heels, and a short bare tummy blouse.

So the story about combat gear is a lie, and because the couple were already handcuffed, the story about "brandishing weapons and shooting at police" was also a lie, which is subsequently proven by the fact that the windows were rolled up when shot out.

cheka.

6th December 2015, 08:35 PM

Abdelmageed? What kind of name is that? Just curious.

? Egyptian: http://www.paaet.edu.kw/mysite/Default.aspx?tabid=6025&language=en-US

(http://www.paaet.edu.kw/mysite/Default.aspx?tabid=6025&language=en-US)

affirm action hire....exactly like the victims' surname rainbow. commiefornia gov workers...

JohnQPublic

6th December 2015, 10:35 PM

San Bernardino shooter Tashfeen Malik fired first, wrote extremist Facebook messages long before massacre (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shooter-tashfeen-malik-wrote-extremist-facebook-messages-article-1.2456784)
BY Jason Silverstein (http://www.nydailynews.com/authors?author=Jason-Silverstein) NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Monday, December 7, 2015, 1:00 AM

"The bloodthirsty bride who carried out the San Bernardino shootings pulled the trigger first after her husband appeared to “hesitate” before firing on his colleagues, according to a new report.

Witnesses who survived the carnage told investigators Tashfeen Malik, 29, and her husband, Syed Farook, 28, prepared to open fire from opposite sides of a door to the conference room in the Inland Regional Center, The Sunday Times of London reported.

Malik assumed a firing stance and blasted a group of workers near a Christmas tree as Farook hesitated for a moment — perhaps temporarily losing his nerve or looking for a specific person, according to the report."

JohnQPublic

6th December 2015, 11:44 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3348102/I-think-married-terrorist-Tashfeen-Malik-shot-Syed-Farook-hesitated-attack-killed-14-FBI-investigate-radicalized-husband.html

Witnesses say Farook appeared to hesitate, possibly daunted by the idea of killing his co-workers or trying to find Massianic Jew Nicholas Thalasinos, 52, who he was said to have argued with that morning.

His wife Malik took the first shot, opening fire at a group who were gathered around a Christmas tree.
Some dived for cover and hid beneath tables, while the lucky ones fled to safety.

Farook joined his wife in the shooting and as the left, they tried to detonate a remote-controlled bomb which failed to explode.

Horn

7th December 2015, 08:56 AM

Still not a single surveillance video, has any report even asked for one?

Was the place equipped, or are they fabricating a video currently?

I would think with the drills and its risk, the center would have some surveillance.

mick silver

7th December 2015, 09:57 AM

madfranks

7th December 2015, 10:16 AM

This is awesome.

http://s18.postimg.org/adklj2utl/IMG_1071.jpg

JohnQPublic

7th December 2015, 10:37 AM

This is awesome.

http://s18.postimg.org/adklj2utl/IMG_1071.jpg

22 LR rounds! Maybe they were declaring war on rodents!

BrewTech

7th December 2015, 10:58 AM

22 LR rounds! Maybe they were declaring war on rodents!

Look closer.. .22mm rounds? That's freaking tiny! Lol

Horn

7th December 2015, 11:03 AM

horn what about the cam on the cops who had the shot out , not a one to be seen . are what about the people who live around the place that the shot out happen at when the stop the suv ..... not one video ... go back too post 282

Yeah, that's a pretty big piece to the puzzle. I don't see what was said to be 2 cops initially engaging the S.U.V. full of terrorists. The suspect may have just stopped to try and escape on foot when noticing that he was being engaged by the police and left his wife in the back to cover, but then why try to exit across the street and into path of police, why not to the front of the vehicle off to the short side?

They make it seem from all accounts that the husband was taken out by 2 police prior to the rest of them arriving, then a hail of gunfire was sent to the s.u.v.

singular_me

7th December 2015, 02:20 PM

new element comes into play.
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Eyewitness to terror attack: ‘Three tall white men did it’
7th December 2015
‘A few interesting details have surfaced regarding Wednesday’s mass shooting dubbed ‘terror attack’ which killed 14 and injured 17 others. One of the most interesting comes from an eyewitness.

We now know that ATF investigators recovered police issued firearms from the alleged shooters. This key detail was leaked by 2016 GOP Presidential Candidate Carly Fiorina during a press interview after she had overheard a newsroom report that doesn’t fit the official narrative.

We also know that active shooter drills actually took place near the crime scene just days before and possibly even on the same day of the mass shooting as reported by Mac Slavo.

Additionally details from an eyewitness, who came forth on the day of the shooting, may have been overlooked by investigators and suggest that there were actually ‘three white shooters’ instead of the radicalized husband and wife natural-born killer team portrayed in some mainline reports.’

In a phone interview with CBS Abdelmageed explained:

“I heard shots fired and it was from you know an automatic weapon. […] very unusual. Why would we hear shots? As we looked out the window a second set of shots goes off […] and we saw a man fall to the floor. Then we just looked and we saw three men dressed in all black, military attire, with vests on they were holding assault rifles. As soon as they opened up the doors to building three […] one of them […] started to shoot into the room.”

When asked what the gunman that shot into the room looked like the eyewitness replied:

“I couldn’t see a face, he had a black hat on […] black cargo pants, the kind with the big puffy pockets on the side […] long sleeve shirt […] gloves […huge assault riffle […] six magazines […] I just saw three dressed exactly the same”.

“You are certain you saw three men,” the newscaster asked Abdelmageed.

“Yes,” said Abdelmageed.

“It looked like their skin color was white. They look like they were athletic build and they appeared to be tall.”

In a shill-like manner the CBS reporter responded, “And of course we just learned that one suspect was a woman.”
https://www.intellihub.com/eyewitness-terror-attack-three-tall-white-men/

VIDEO (but seems like it was taken down)
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/witness-describes-the-san-bernardino-shooting/

mick silver

7th December 2015, 02:30 PM

Obama is right: ISIS really does want US boots on the ground. Here's how we know. Updated by German Lopez (http://www.vox.com/authors/german-lopez) on December 6, 2015, 9:55 p.m. ET @germanrlopez (http://twitter.com/germanrlopez) german.lopez@vox.com
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In a Sunday televised address on the San Bernardino shooting (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/2/9837324/san-bernadino-shooting) and terrorism, President Barack Obama restated his opposition to deploying ground troops in Syria and Iraq to fight ISIS (http://www.vox.com/cards/things-about-isis-you-need-to-know). "That's what groups like ISIL want. They know they can't defeat us on the battlefield," he argued. "ISIL fighters were part of the insurgency that we faced in Iraq, but they also know that if we occupy foreign lands, they can maintain insurgencies for years, killing thousands of our troops and draining our resources, and using our presence to draw new recruits."
This point can seem a little counterintuitive for those not closely watching the Syrian civil war and terrorism abroad. Luckily, Rukmini Callimachi, who has done extensive on-the-ground reporting on Syria for the New York Times, followed up the speech with a great explanation of why Obama — and many counterterrorism experts — believe that a ground war could do more harm than good:

JohnQPublic

7th December 2015, 02:33 PM

JohnQPublic

7th December 2015, 02:56 PM

https://youtu.be/s45OeXNRZng

Glass

7th December 2015, 02:57 PM

Obama is right: ISIS really does want US boots on the ground. Here's how we know.

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In a Sunday televised address on the San Bernardino shooting (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/2/9837324/san-bernadino-shooting) and terrorism, President Barack Obama restated his opposition to deploying ground troops in Syria and Iraq to fight ISIS (http://www.vox.com/cards/things-about-isis-you-need-to-know). "That's what groups like ISIL want. They know they can't defeat us on the battlefield," he argued. "ISIL fighters were part of the insurgency that we faced in Iraq, but they also know that if we occupy foreign lands, they can maintain insurgencies for years, killing thousands of our troops and draining our resources, and using our presence to draw new recruits."
This point can seem a little counterintuitive for those not closely watching the Syrian civil war and terrorism abroad. Luckily, Rukmini Callimachi, who has done extensive on-the-ground reporting on Syria for the New York Times, followed up the speech with a great explanation of why Obama — and many counterterrorism experts — believe that a ground war could do more harm than good:

ISIS needs a new pair of boots?

JohnQPublic

7th December 2015, 02:59 PM

https://youtu.be/f0gxUqFLW4c

JohnQPublic

7th December 2015, 03:21 PM

This story contradicts the attorney's contention that no one in the family knew of any radical tendencies (may be the US family). From his dad (in Italy I believe- froma ntoher story):

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/us/san-bernardino-shooting/

Farook was "fixated" on Israel and supported ISIS' ideology of establishing an Islamic caliphate, his father told an Italian newspaper.

Before the shooting, the younger Farook had expressed some troubling beliefs, his father told La Stampa newspaper.
"He said he shared the ideology of (Abu Bakr) al-Baghdadi to create an Islamic state, and he was fixated on Israel," the elder Farook said, referring to the ISIS leader.

Horn

7th December 2015, 05:30 PM

Then the house that was entered by the media, that did not appear to have any basement or bomb making stations from what I recall of the photos there.

I dunno, maybe I missed something?

Is that the same house?

singular_me

7th December 2015, 05:33 PM

https://youtu.be/s45OeXNRZng

on the youtube page:

San Bernardino Massacre: A lie, hoax, false flag, staged shooting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcqdinBLxDI

did watch it til the end: the official black SUV story line doesnt hold any water.

slvrbugjim

7th December 2015, 07:10 PM

on the youtube page:

San Bernardino Massacre: A lie, hoax, false flag, staged shooting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcqdinBLxDI

did watch it til the end: the official black SUV story line doesnt hold any water.

Yep as we have been saying for many days

cheka.

7th December 2015, 09:01 PM

hole e fuq

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/us-cant-access-nsa-phone-171141442.html

US can't access NSA phone records in California terror case

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. government's ability to review and analyze five years' worth of telephone records for the married couple blamed in the deadly shootings in California lapsed just four days earlier when the National Security Agency's controversial mass surveillance program was formally shut down.

Under a court order, those historical calling records at the NSA are now off-limits to agents running the FBI terrorism investigation even with a warrant.

Instead, under the new USA Freedom Act, authorities were able to obtain roughly two years' worth of calling records directly from the phone companies of the married couple blamed in the attack. The period covered the entire time that the wife, Tashfeen Malik, lived in the United States, although her husband, Syed Farook, had been here much longer. She moved from Pakistan to the U.S. in July 2014 and married Farook the following month. He was born in Chicago in 1987 and raised in southern California.

FBI Director James Comey declined to say Friday whether the NSA program's shutdown affected the government's terrorism investigation in California.

"I won't answer, because we don't talk about the investigative techniques we use," Comey said. "I'm not going to characterize it."

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said the FBI was poring through records for the married couple: "This includes things like their foreign travel, their contacts with other individuals, their use of social media," he said. "There are some details of that investigation starting to dribble out, sometimes in garbled form."

Amid questions about whether it was constitutional and under pressure from lawsuits and recommendations by two federal panels, the Obama administration agreed to end the NSA phone program. It had secretly collected the daily calling records — but not contents of conversations — for most Americans, including those never suspected of any crime, since at least 2006. Investigators could see who suspected terrorists might be dialing, who else those people might be calling and so on. The government kept five years' worth of each person's phone records, deleting older ones on a rolling basis. NSA contractor Edward Snowden revealed the program's existence in summer 2013.

Under a shutdown order by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the government was prohibited from collecting phone records in wholesale ways starting Nov. 29.

"After November 28, 2015, no access to the BR (business record) metadata (phone records) will be permitted for intelligence analysis purposes," U.S. District Judge Michael W. Mosman of Portland ruled. "Hence, queries of the BR metadata for the purpose of obtaining foreign intelligence information will no longer be permitted. "

The California shootings happened four days later. The court revealed the order publicly just hours before the shootings.

Under the new law, passed in June, investigators still can look for links in phone records but they must obtain a targeted warrant to get them directly from phone companies, which generally keep customer records for 18 months to two years, although some keep them longer. The U.S. Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, which studied the program at Obama's direction, had recommended that the White House reduce the NSA-held phone records from five years to three years even before the program could be shut down.

The FBI was investigating whether the couple in California plotted the attacks with anyone — or each other — in ways that U.S. or allied intelligence surveillance programs might have detected. The FBI director cited "indications of radicalization by the killers, and of potential inspiration by foreign terrorist organizations," but he said there was no evidence the killers were part of a larger group or terrorist cell. The FBI said it found discarded, crushed cellphones that belonged to the couple near the site of the shootings, and agents were examining the phones' contents.

An American Civil Liberties Union lawyer, Alex Abdo, noted the California shootings were another case where the NSA's inspection of Americans' phone records failed to stop the plot before it happened.

"This could only be an example of the failure of that program," Abdo said. "If this were a planned attack and the program did what they claimed it did at the time, they would have detected this attack. It's not surprising the bulk-collection program didn't detect it."

JohnQPublic

7th December 2015, 09:09 PM

...
US can't access NSA phone records in California terror case

...

Please, please, please reinstate the spying to protect us. NOT

cheka.

7th December 2015, 09:16 PM

Please, please, please reinstate the spying to protect us. NOT

so you want some more eh?

a large scale Christmas party? as crazy as things are....i could see the irish attacking the palestinian children waiting for santa in texas

:)

Horn

7th December 2015, 10:47 PM

Since when are dead people afforded rights under U.S. law?

Cebu_4_2

7th December 2015, 11:41 PM

That would really suck if they can't access records legally.

mick silver

9th December 2015, 12:48 PM

Report: San Benardino Terrorst Planned 2012 Attack"They got spooked." 12.9.2015
News (http://www.truthrevolt.org/news)
Sarah Fisher (http://www.truthrevolt.org/author/sarah-fisher)
32 (http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/report-san-benardino-terrorst-planned-2012-attack#disqus_thread)
57

http://www.truthrevolt.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_full_width/public/field/image/articles/sanbernardinoshooting_0.jpg?itok=LyzxxbxB
Two U.S. officials say (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/us/san-bernardino-shooter-farook-2012-plot/index.html) that San Bernardino terrorist Syed Farook may have planned another terrorist attack with someone else in California back in 2012.

One of the officials said the two conspired in 2012 and a specific target was considered. Neither of the officials could say how serious the plotting got.
One official said the two decided not to go through with the earlier attack after a round of terror-related arrests in the area.
"They got spooked," the official said.
The new report confirms claims that the Farook and his terror wife had been radicalized for some time.
Writes (http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/08/report-syed-farook-plotted-another-terrorist-attack-in-2012/) the Daily Caller: "Farook’s initial terror plot also occurred a year before he met the 29-year-old Malik, a Pakistani citizen who grew up in Saudi Arabia. Some have speculated that Farook was radicalized by Malik, whose family reportedly has ties to radical Islamists in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia."
NBC News reported (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/san-bernardino-shooters-planned-attack-least-year-advance-n476521?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=911ca734fd4e6f5de5d5981646bfdf3a) on Tuesday that Farook and his wife had been plotting last week's attack since last year. "The jihadis reportedly began practicing at a shooting range last year. They also began making financial arrangements for after the attack. Farook took out a $28,500 online loan last month. He reportedly gave half of that sum to his mother, Rafia Farook."
Attorney General Loretta Lynch said investigators are looking "very very closely" at the terrorist's mother, who lived in the house with the murderous duo.

JohnQPublic

10th December 2015, 08:28 AM

San Bernardino shooter and gun buyer were related by marriage (http://mashable.com/2015/12/09/enrique-marquez-syed-farook-related/#2brkKuaojmqS)
Marquez's wife, Mariya Chernykh, is a Russian national who came to the United States on a work-study visa, as did her sister, who married Farook's older brother Syed Raheel Farook in 2011, according to the Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-enrique-marquez-rifles-20151209-story.html).

Amanda

10th December 2015, 08:38 AM

http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/12/10/craft-intl-mercenaries-at-san-bernardino-shooting-former-nsacia-contractor/#more-22451

Craft Int’l Mercenaries at San Bernardino Shooting – Former NSA/CIA Contractor 10 (http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/12/10/craft-intl-mercenaries-at-san-bernardino-shooting-former-nsacia-contractor/#comments) by James Tracy (http://memoryholeblog.com/author/truthgulag/) • Home (http://memoryholeblog.com/category/home/) • Tags: false flag terror (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/false-flag-terror/), police state and civil rights (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/police-state-and-civil-rights/), San Bernardino mass shooting (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/san-bernardino-mass-shooting/), terrorism

(http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/terrorism/)

PressTV (http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/12/08/440834/Craft-International-mercenaries-San-Bernardino-shooting)

https://memorygapdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/screen-shot-2015-12-10-at-8-31-44-am.png?w=474

(audio player over at http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/12/10/craft-intl-mercenaries-at-san-bernardino-shooting-former-nsacia-contractor/)

Mercenaries from the Craft International, a tactical training company for the US military, carried out last week’s false flag operation in San Bernardino, California, according to Steven D Kelley, a former NSA/CIA contractor.

On Wednesday, Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 29, stormed a holiday party in San Bernardino, California, killing at least 14 people and injuring 21 in the deadliest mass shooting in the US in three years. Hours later, the couple reportedly died in a fire exchange with police.

Malik had pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Daesh (ISIL) terrorist group, three US officials familiar with the investigation claimed on Friday. On Saturday, the Takfiri group also claimed the couple as its followers.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) said on Monday the couple had been radicalized “for some time.”

Kelley told Press TV on Tuesday that the shooting “is just one in a long string of false flag events that I am afraid to say are not over.”

“We’ll probably be seeing several more before the end of the year, because of the events that are going on in the world, specifically with the NATO being implicated in the buying of oil from Daesh and other events,” he stated.

“So when these things happen they need to have a rapid response which requires a false flag attack. This was very obvious that this was going to happen,” the analyst added.

“The people that were on the scene and saw this happen also reported that three tall white men wearing black shirts, khaki pants and tanned combat boots were actually the shooters. The description is almost exactly what the gentlemen from Craft International, the mercenary organization that was involved in so many other false flags, actually look like. This seems to be their standard uniform,” he noted.

https://scoopfeeddotnet.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/screen-shot-2015-12-10-at-12-02-10-am.png?w=474

President Barack Obama on Sunday called the California shooting an “act of terrorism” and said the couple who launched the attack “had gone down the dark path of radicalization.”

“They had stockpiled assault weapons, ammunition and pipe bombs. So this was an act of terrorism,” he claimed.

Kelley said “the people that are being implicated – the couple — first of all if they were planning something, if they were radicalized as this is being said, and clearly the NSA, the FBI will be right on the top of these people all the time, but rather than stopping them from doing something, they were nurtured to be used for this exact purpose.”

“I do not suspect that these people have anything to do with the actual shooting. I suspect that these were patsies, no different than Timothy McVeigh or any of these other people who have historically been used to implement these terrorist acts,” the commentator said.

“If you look at the people that were wounded you can see clearly that bullet wounds are not real. The .223 caliber weapon or bullets fired from AR15 – an extremely powerful weapon — would blow someone’s arm off, it is not going to make a small hole,” said Kelley, who is also a weapons expert.

“So clearly this is a very very dirty false flag. Obviously, the United States is getting very very desperate; the government here is very desperate, they need to do something immediately to disarm the United States prior to a revolution, because the people here are waking up very fast, and they are ready to shut down this evil empire. And this needs to happen very soon,” the analyst concluded.

In his televised address from the Oval Office, Obama called for tougher gun controls, starting with a ban on gun purchases for anyone on a US government no-fly list. “To begin with, Congress should act to make sure no one on a no-fly list is able to buy a gun.”

“What could possibly be the argument for allowing a terrorist suspect to buy a semiautomatic weapon? This is a matter of national security,” he stated.
Obama has said the “biggest frustration” of his time in the office has been the inability to reduce unparalleled levels of gun violence in the country.

Shami-Amourae

10th December 2015, 09:09 AM

“So when these things happen they need to have a rapid response which requires a false flag attack. This was very obvious that this was going to happen,” the analyst added.

Amanda uses Islamic media to cover up Islamic terror attack as US "False Flag".

:rolleyes:

Ahmed: "He a good boy. He Dindu Nuffin!"

JohnQPublic

10th December 2015, 12:08 PM

Amanda uses Islamic media to cover up Islamic terror attack as US "False Flag".

Do you think James Tracy is an Islamic agent? I understand the reference to PressTV.

Shami-Amourae

10th December 2015, 12:41 PM

Do you think James Tracy is an Islamic agent? I understand the reference to PressTV.

I don't know. I don't care.

The narrative of "Muh Scary Mooslem" is what the Ruling Class and their Muslim attack dogs are trying to cover up. That I do know. It hurts their opportunity to flood the West with the entire Third world and destroy the White race.

Neuro

10th December 2015, 01:18 PM

I don't know. I don't care.

The narrative of "Muh Scary Mooslem" is what the Ruling Class and their Muslim attack dogs are trying to cover up. That I do know. It hurts their opportunity to flood the West with the entire Third world and destroy the White race.
From that pow this attack doesn't make any sense as a false flag! However they may have come to the point where they feel it is time to ignite the fuel air mixture...

Shami-Amourae

10th December 2015, 01:30 PM

From that pow this attack doesn't make any sense as a false flag! However they may have come to the point where they feel it is time to ignite the fuel air mixture...

There's not enough Muslims in the West to kill all the White people off.

They need a lot more Shitskins here who want to kill us before they exterminate us all.

Neuro

10th December 2015, 02:04 PM

There's not enough Muslims in the West to kill all the White people off.

They need a lot more Shitskins here who want to kill us before they exterminate us all.
True! I think though that their MO is to kill us off with WWIII. Nukes, starvation and epidemics are more efficient than shitskins. The shitskins are just the ignition of WWIII...

JohnQPublic

10th December 2015, 03:19 PM

Geller: The Third Man (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/10/geller-the-third-man/)...Where is the third man? Is he still at large? Are people at risk? And why was the apartment opened up and the fingerprint evidence destroyed? Why was evidence strewn about?

Something is rotten in the state of California

JohnQPublic

10th December 2015, 03:30 PM

A COUPLE OF NEWS SOURCES TALKING ABOUT 3 SUSPECTS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6LgFM9LI0Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bPrk6kwjnU

PatColo

10th December 2015, 04:36 PM

December 10, 2015 (http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/12/10/craft-intl-mercenaries-at-san-bernardino-shooting-former-nsacia-contractor/)
Craft Int’l Mercenaries at San Bernardino Shooting – Former NSA/CIA Contractor (http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/12/10/craft-intl-mercenaries-at-san-bernardino-shooting-former-nsacia-contractor/) 38 (http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/12/10/craft-intl-mercenaries-at-san-bernardino-shooting-former-nsacia-contractor/#comments) by James Tracy (http://memoryholeblog.com/author/truthgulag/) • Home (http://memoryholeblog.com/category/home/) • Tags: false flag terror (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/false-flag-terror/), police state and civil rights (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/police-state-and-civil-rights/), San Bernardino mass shooting (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/san-bernardino-mass-shooting/), terrorism (http://memoryholeblog.com/tag/terrorism/)
PressTV (http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/12/08/440834/Craft-International-mercenaries-San-Bernardino-shooting)
https://memorygapdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/screen-shot-2015-12-10-at-8-31-44-am.png?w=474
Mercenaries from the Craft International, a tactical training company for the US military, carried out last week’s false flag operation in San Bernardino, California, according to Steven D Kelley, a former NSA/CIA contractor.

On Wednesday, Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 29, stormed a holiday party in San Bernardino, California, killing at least 14 people and injuring 21 in the deadliest mass shooting in the US in three years. Hours later, the couple reportedly died in a fire exchange with police.

More… (http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/12/10/craft-intl-mercenaries-at-san-bernardino-shooting-former-nsacia-contractor/#more-22451)

Horn

11th December 2015, 07:24 AM

that's amanda's post 327 Pat Colo

Ponce also has a thread titled

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?86437-Craft-Intl-mercenaries-carried-out-San-Bernardino-shooting-V

PatColo

11th December 2015, 03:08 PM

a couple SB skeptic podcasts; Red Ice 1st free hour only:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/12/RIR-151205_small.jpg
Jay Dyer - San Bernardino Shooting: Islam, The West & False Flags - Hour 1 (http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/12/RIR-151205.php)

December 5, 2015

Jay Dyer is behind the website JaysAnalysis, which is dedicated to investigating the deeper themes and messages found in our globalist pseudo culture and illustrating the connections between philosophy, metaphysics, secret societies, Hollywood, psychological warfare and comparative religion. Dyer deconstructs these subjects in his weekly talk radio show, Esoteric Hollywood.

The conversation with Jay begins on the lethal San Bernardino Muslim couple, Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, and the media circus that was allowed to trample through the crime scene contained within the killers’ home. Jay talks about the intricate relationship between the media, the military and intelligence agencies, and we look at the inconsistent stories coming out from shoddy journalists. Then, we discuss the increase in violence and crime directly related to Islam within Europe and the many incidents that are ignored or covered up by the mainstream. Jay outlines the globalist corporate plan to open borders, and we consider how the false dialectic of mainstream politics plays into the religion of consumerism.

In the members’ hour, we get into the chaos that has been created by multiculturalism and Islam in the West. Jay illustrates how ISIS affiliates have cropped up in countries formerly invaded by the US in the march for Middle Eastern oil domination. Further, we evaluate Turkey’s NATO-driven role in arming the forces aimed at overthrowing Assad and ushering in a new regime aligned with Israel. Then, Jay talks about the big picture of liberalism and the modern-day, anti-nature notion of interchangeable humanness that was scripted during the enlightenment and French Revolution. Later, we look at the establishment’s long term social engineering plans that are being rolled out through the educational system. At the end, Jay addresses our current cultural infantilism and the degeneration of popular entertainment.

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Relevant links
jaysanalysis.com (http://jaysanalysis.com/)
The Geographical Pivot of History (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History)
Liberté, égalité, fraternité (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libert%C3%A9,_%C3%A9galit%C3%A9,_fraternit%C3%A9)
Inland Regional Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_Regional_Center)
2015 San Bernardino shooting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_shooting)
Bizarre: Media invited into San Bernardino shooters' home - Intentional destruction of the Crime scene (http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=34878)
"Strategic Engineered Migration as a Weapon of War" (http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/publication/18120/strategic_engineered_migration_as_a_weapon_of_war. html)
Source: Tashfeen Malik pledged allegiance to Islamic State on Facebook - Attackers' family lawyer says "it doesn't make sense" (http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=34877)
Britain launches airstrikes hours after Parliament backs ISIS bombings (http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=34868)
San Bernardino Shooting: Farook was In contact with extremists domestically and abroad over several years (http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=34861)
Suspect ID'd in San Bernardino Massacre as Syed Farook - A "very religious" Muslim according to father (http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=34860)
SWAT Team Drill Turns into Real Mass Shooting Scenario in San Bernadino, CA (http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=34857)
Rewarding Turkey for helping ISIS - Bilal Erdogan: The Link Between Turkey and ISIS (http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=34859)
Books
Esoteric Hollywood:: Sex, Cults and Symbols in Film (http://www.amazon.com/Esoteric-Hollywood-Cults-Symbols-Film/dp/1634240774/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1448995203&sr=8-1&keywords=jay+dyer)

Related programs
Jay Dyer - Dylann Roof & The Charleston Church Shooting (http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/06/RIR-150624.php)
Jay Dyer - Hour 1 - Dialectic Enlightenment & The Entertainment Industrial Complex (http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/12/RIR-141229.php)
Jay Dyer - Charlie Hebdo False Flag & The Big Picture (http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/01/RIR-150114.php)
Jim Fetzer - Nobody Died at Sandy Hook - Hour 1 (http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/12/RIR-151204.php)
Mark Weber - Paris Attacks: Analysis & Consequences - Hour 1 (http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/11/RIR-151118.php)
Sofia Smallstorm - Unraveling Sandy Hook & The Posthuman Society (http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/02/RIR-140205.php)

Music
The Beach Boys - Amusement Parks U.S.A. (hhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pliTCOVdU1A)

Charles Giuliani, not exclusively SB talk,

Truth Hertz: San Bernardino Shooting (12-7-15) (http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/truth-hertz-san-bernardino-shooting-12-7-15/)http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/media/Syed-Rizwan-Farook-family--e1449498956395-150x150.jpg

Charles discusses the recent San Bernardino shooting and then talks about religious “miracles”.

...full post & comments. (http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/truth-hertz-san-bernardino-shooting-12-7-15/)

Amanda

13th December 2015, 11:30 AM

Found this in the comments section over at MHB (http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/12/06/san-bernardino-shooting-parallels-recent-oregon-college-massacre/)

San Bernardino coroner press release page – no victims
http://cms.sbcounty.gov/sheriff/mediacenter/coronerpressreleases.aspx

mick silver

13th December 2015, 05:20 PM

If San Bernardino Was a Terrorist Attack, It Was an Extremely Strange One1.4k (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/03/san_bernardino_shooting_doesn_t_fit_islamic_terror ism_mold.html#)
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By Joshua Keating (http://www.slate.com/authors.joshua_keating.html)

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http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/03/san_bernardino_shooting_doesn_t_fit_islamic_terror ism_mold/499681388-police-officer-officer-guards-a-police-line-as-officers.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg A police officer guards a police line as officers prepare to raid the home of one or more suspects of a mass shooting at the Inland Regional Center on Dec. 2, 2015.Photo by David McNew/Getty Images

We don’t yet know what motivated the now-dead suspects Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik to kill 14 people in San Bernardino, California, on Wednesday, but that certainly hasn’t stopped the speculation. In a speech Thursday morning at the Republican Jewish Coalition forum, presidential candidate Ted Cruz said, “all of us are deeply concerned that this is yet another manifestation of terrorism—radical Islamic terrorism here at home.”

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/Authors/joshua_keating-authorbio.png Joshua Keating (http://www.slate.com/authors.joshua_keating.html) Joshua Keating is a staff writer at Slate focusing on international affairs.

Law enforcement authorities haven’t ruled terrorism out (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/03/2-suspects-killed-shootout-san-bernardino-massacre-14-killed/) as a motivation, but for now, most of this speculation seems to be based on the fact that the killers were Muslims. The U.S.-born Farook, of Pakistani heritage, had traveled to Saudi Arabia (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-syed-farook-had-traveled-to-saudi-arabia-married-appeared-to-live-american-dream-co-workers-say-20151202-story.html) earlier this year, returning with his wife, Malik, whose nationality is still unknown. Farook was a practicing Muslim but, according to acquaintances, rarely discussed his religion (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-syed-farook-had-traveled-to-saudi-arabia-married-appeared-to-live-american-dream-co-workers-say-20151202-story.html). Likely anticipating a backlash, the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Los Angeles quickly organized a press conference (http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20151202/san-bernardino-suspected-shooters-brother-in-law-im-in-shock-myself) with Farook’s brother, Farhan Khan, and urged the public not to jump to conclusions. "Is it work? Is it rage-related? Is it mental illness? Is it extreme ideology? We just don't know," said Hussam Ayloush, director of CAIR in Los Angeles.

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As a further reminder to be cautious about initial reports, there were a number of false rumors circulating widely on social media Wednesday night, including (https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/672279224342978560) one tweeted and then deleted (https://twitter.com/deep_beige/status/672278425743269888) by a Los Angeles Times reporter that the shooter was a Qatari national whose name was suspiciously similar to Turkey President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Rita Katz, director of the SITE Intelligence Group, which tracks online extremist activity, noted on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Rita_Katz/status/672186925063737344) that the Jihadist Internet has been “mostly quiet,” in contrast to the chatter after most explicitly jihadist attacks, which have been celebrated by supporters online. U.S. officials also noted to Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/12/03/us-california-shooting-unusual-idUSKBN0TM07E20151203#W2IUF4BMu2C2C7BU.97) that the attack “differed in key ways from attacks like those perpetrated by the group known as Islamic State or other Jihadists.” Generally those attacks target symbolically significant locations—Times Square (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/03/AR2010050300847.html), Fort Hood (http://www.cbsnews.com/feature/tragedy-at-fort-hood/), a Muhammad cartoon contest (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/isis-claims-responsibility-garland-texas-shooting-n353761)—rather than a little-known location like the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino. And while it is still early in the investigation, Farook and Malik also don’t appear to have left any statement or clue as to their motivation, also unusual for an ideologically motivated terrorist attack. Farook, who worked at the county health department, had reportedly angrily left a holiday party after an altercation before returning with weapons and tactical gear, but it’s also not clear if or how that was connected to the shooting.

This doesn’t mean terrorism can be ruled out. The Paris massacre didn’t fit the mold (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/11/14/isis_attacks_on_paris_russian_plane_beirut_escalat e_the_threat.html) of previous attacks either. But the events of the past year, not to mention the past week, make abundantly clear that no political or religious motivation has a monopoly on mass violence in America.

Read more of Slate’s coverage of the San Bernardino, California, shooting. (http://www.slate.com/topics/s/san_bernardino_shooting.html)

PatColo

14th December 2015, 04:19 AM

advance to 1h 14m in this podcast (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2015/12/incendiary-radio-with-robert-reyvolt_14.html) (unless u wanna hear Kaminski too), JFriend comes on and tells the story of his visit last thursday to SB, along with a buddy. He interviewed numerous ppl, got some very interesting info! JF says he videoed most of his interviews and they're up on YT, and I found them at JF's Realist Report channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/john6598/videos

here's a random sample; I haven't watched all yet:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IdmItuEoldk/mqdefault.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdmItuEoldk) 2:51
San Bernardino Resident Describes Aftermath of Alleged Terrorist Shooting Part 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdmItuEoldk)

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PatColo

15th December 2015, 02:39 AM

RE: ^, can check JF's page for all the vids, and growing reader comments; only 1 comment atm, mostly OT.

On Incendiary Radio w/ Robert Reyvolt – San Bernardino Shooting (http://therealistreport.com/on-incendiary-radio-w-robert-reyvolt-san-bernardino-shooting/) December 14, 2015 (http://therealistreport.com/on-incendiary-radio-w-robert-reyvolt-san-bernardino-shooting/)[/URL] Realist Report (http://therealistreport.com/on-incendiary-radio-w-robert-reyvolt-san-bernardino-shooting/) One comment (http://therealistreport.com/on-incendiary-radio-w-robert-reyvolt-san-bernardino-shooting/#comments)

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Last night, I appeared as a guest on Incendiary Radio with Robert Reyvolt. John Kaminski was the guest for the first hour and a half before I joined to conclude the program. We discussed my trip to San Bernardino and the independent investigation I conducted into the alleged mass shooting that reportedly took place on Wednesday, December 2, 2015. The photos I took are publicly available on my Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/realistreport/media_set?set=a.194135374262075.1073741836.1000099 68418487&type=3).

Below are the video interviews I conducted while visiting San Bernardino. Be sure to check out my YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/john6598/featured) and subscribe if you are not already.

rest: [url]http://therealistreport.com/on-incendiary-radio-w-robert-reyvolt-san-bernardino-shooting/

Horn

15th December 2015, 08:17 PM

Amazing how they have those public relations signs and hashtags all available within a weeks time...

JohnQPublic

18th December 2015, 12:37 PM

Interesting facts from a comment on James Tracy's blog:

PC Geek says: December 17, 2015 at 3:41 PM (http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/12/17/the-san-bernardino-shooting-what-really-happened-behind-the-scenes/#comment-103469)
Enrique Marquez married Mariya Chernykh on Nov. 29, 2014. It could not be determined whether they currently live together. Witnesses to the marriage were Mariya’s sister, Tatiana Farook, and Tatiana’s husband, Raheel Farook. Raheel Farook married Tatiana, then known as Tatiana Gigliotti, on Sept. 10, 2011. [this is supported by the link below- JQP]

The Gigliotti family has factual intel agency ties in 2005 she married Peter Paul Gigliotti jr. in Richmond/VA where they lived close to Langley (VA).
Peter Paul Gigliotti jr is the supposed grandson of Rev. Frank Bruno Gigliotti, who was the “master” of OSS, CIA and Grand Orient Lodge. [this is not- JQP]

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KARACHI: The counter terrorism department (CTD) on Friday arrested the vice-chancellor of a private university from Karachi over charges of financing Al-Qaeda and allegedly aiding the Safoora Goth massacre, DawnNews reported.
Adil Masood Butt, a close aide and the business partner of Safoora Goth attack’s main suspect Saad Aziz, was arrested by CTD from the Clifton area of the metropolis.
Giving details, the CTD sources revealed that Butt’s name surfaced as the financier of the attack after the joint investigating team (JIT) interrogated another suspect, Khalid Yousuf (http://www.dawn.com/news/1216495).
The evidence of Butt’s involvement was further established after his bank records were investigated, the counter-terrorism department said.
Later, addressing a press conference to announce the arrest, CTD head Raja Umer Khattab said that Butt was the business partner of Saad Aziz alias Tin Tin.
"Butt had studied at Indiana University in USA and later set up his own 'College of Accountancy and Management Sciences (CAMS),’ which has three branches in Karachi where around 2,000 students are studying," Khattab said.
Women facilitatorsKhattab said during investigation it was revealed that that there is a strong 'women operated' network working alongside this group.
The network includes Khalid Yusuf Bari's wife, Saad Aziz's wife and mother-in-law and Mufti Tauseef's wife who brainwash other women.
The CTD head claimed that Khalid Bari's wife used to spread the Islamic State’s ideology through digital means.
"These women also served the militant outfits by arranging suitable matrimonial matches and funds for the terrorists," said Khattab.
He requested the general public to remain watchful while giving zakat or charity to any organisation, lest they will be included in any such investigation as facilitator for any terrorist activity.
The highly educated suspectAdil Butt received his early education at Saint Patrick and Saint Paul schools before moving to the United States (US) for higher studies in 1987 where he obtained an MBA degree from New York’s Fordham University in 1992.
In 1994, Butt, along with his partners, opened the College of Accounting and Management Sciences (CAMS), the institute has three branches and about 2,000 students are enrolled in the institute.
In the year 2000, Butt became a follower of Dr Israr Ahmed and joined Tanzeem-i-Islami. He met Khalid Yusuf Bari, Sheba Ahmed and Dr Akmal Waheed through TI.
Later, he left TI but remained in touch with Dr Waheed and allegedly started funding the terrorists through him.
Fearing intelligence agencies, Waheed later stopped Butt from meeting and funding him directly but instead started sending a man, Umer Jalal, who collected the funds from him in NED University, where Butt worked as a lecturer.
Umer Jalal too was linked to Al-Qaeda and was a part of the terrorist network which included Akmal Waheed, Saad Aziz, Mufti Tauseef , Saleem Ahmed and Suleman Saeed, according to the CTD press release.
At least 43 people were killed (http://www.dawn.com/news/1181698) and 13 others wounded on May 14 when armed men opened fire inside a bus carrying members of the Ismaili community near Safoora Chowk in Karachi.
Sindh Police Inspector General Ghulam Haider Jamali said 60 people were on board the bus when six gunmen entered and executed 43 passengers.
Ahmed Marwat, spokesman for Jundullah, a splinter group of the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), had claimed responsibility for the attack

mick silver

18th December 2015, 02:34 PM

wrong place move john

PatColo

20th December 2015, 06:20 PM

brandon martinez:

Weeks Before San Bernardino Shooting Newt Gingrich Tweeted About “California Terrorist Attack” (http://nonalignedmedia.com/2015/12/weeks-before-san-bernardino-shooting-newt-gingrich-tweeted-about-california-terrorist-attack/) Brandon Martinez (http://nonalignedmedia.com/author/bmar999/) December 17, 2015 Analysis (http://nonalignedmedia.com/category/analysis/), News
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Is it not strange that Republican Zionist shill Newt Gingrich tweeted out about a “California terrorist attack” more than two weeks before the San Bernardino shooting and how this and other “terror” events blamed on the ISIS bogeyman should suffice to “convince” America’s leadership to step up military endeavours abroad? On November 13 (the day of the Paris attacks) Gingrich tweeted this out:

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View original tweet HERE

(https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/665307848755314688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
The highly questionable San Bernardino shooting allegedly took place on the 2nd of December. Either Gingrich has a crystal ball at home or he had some kind of insider knowledge about an upcoming staged terror event in California.

Some have suggested that Gingrich could have been referring to this relatively unknown stabbing incident at the University of California Merced (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/04/us/university-california-merced-stabbings/) which occurred on November 4, but that is doubtful since such a small event could hardly be considered a “terrorist attack” let alone justification for foreign military action as Gingrich implied in the original tweet.

MORE ANALYSIS ON WILLYLOMAN (https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/12/12/newt-gingrich-tweeted-about-california-terrorist-attack-relating-it-to-isis-on-nov-13th/)

PatColo

21st December 2015, 10:48 AM

I was just browsing Richie Allen Show archives (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCScsqqZi411nqVod1Uay0KQ/videos) (<< many good guests there, check it out) & found this with M.Rivero, 27 mins:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hgE8l_N4HFk/mqdefault.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgE8l_N4HFk) 26:28
Michael Rivero: San Bernardino Shooting Is The Most Obvious False Flag Event In Recent History!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgE8l_N4HFk)

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Down1

28th December 2015, 12:18 PM

REVEALED: San Bernardino Terror Mosque Cleric Exchanged 38 Texts With Terrorist, Claimed ‘Casual’ Relationship
The mosque at the centre of the San Bernardino terrorist attack is back in the spotlight after one of the organisation’s clerics, Roshan Abbassi, was found to have had repeated contact with terrorist Syed Farook in the months before the deadly attack which left 14 people dead and 24 people injured.

Mr. Abbassi and his fellow teachers at the mosque had previously claimed that they barely knew Mr. Farook, despite his repeat attendance at the Dar al Uloom al Islamiyyah mosque in San Bernardino.

The mosque is now believed to be a haven for Tablighi Jamaat activists – a fundamentalist, proselytising Islamic sect known in some circles as the “Army of Darkness”.

The New York Post reports that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has found repeated phone contact between Mr. Abbassi and Mr. Farook, dating back to a two week period in June – coinciding with the terrorist attack on two military sites in Chattanooga.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/12/28/fbi-investigating-text-exchange-between-san-bernardino-terrorist-syed-farook-and-mosque-cleric-who-claimed-no-friendship-existed/

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/12/28/fbi-investigating-text-exchange-between-san-bernardino-terrorist-syed-farook-and-mosque-cleric-who-claimed-no-friendship-existed/

cheka.

28th December 2015, 12:21 PM

so he/she/it/they shoot up a target that the muzzies have no beef with? are there no muzzie enemies in california? doesnt pass smell test

fail

cheka.

20th January 2016, 09:27 PM

ha ha. dune coons own fbi techies. the old we're stupid excuse....

solution: nyc/dc needs backdoor into all software/devices

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/21/fbi-stymied-in-hunt-for-san-bernardino-terrorists-hard-drive.html

FBI investigators have been unable to find a missing hard drive or crack the encrypted codes of the jihadist couple behind last month's terror attacks in San Bernardino, Calif., sources told Fox News.

The two cell phones used by homegrown terrorist Syed Farook and his foreign bride Tashfeen Malik before the Dec. 2 attack, which left 14 dead and 22 injured, are highly encrypted, Assistant Director in Charge of the Los Angeles Field Office David Bowdich told Fox News in an exclusive interview, and the pair also attempted to destroy the devices.

Information on the phones could contain the key to exposing the radical Muslim couple's potential terrorist network connections and other illicit activities.

“As to those devices, obviously we’ve said from day one, the digital footprint is incredibly important for us to hopefully learn any contacts, any context, and ultimately any intent on their part,” Bowdich said. “I think that’s very, very important.”

The phones and a still-missing computer hard drive could contain key communications, and fill in an 18-minute gap of time after the attack and before the shootout that killed the couple.

“I’m certainly not looking past the possibility of a potential secondary attack based on the amount of ammunition they had. Based on all the seeming preparations they had made. Based on all the pipes they had inside the house that could easily have been made into pipe bombs,” said Bowdich.

The FBI has hired a private contractor to help crack the encryption codes. But tech experts told Fox News the FBI and the private contractors they’ve hired face major challenges.

“Depending on the type of encryption used by the terrorists the FBI may have a very difficult, if not impossible task, said Mark Turnage, CEO of OWL Cybersecurity, a provider of dark net threat intelligence and cybersecurity services. “There are commercially available encryption programs, which are all but unbreakable.”

Some tech experts maintain the FBI and some politicians and presidential candidates are using the San Bernardino case to justify their call for Apple and Google to give law enforcement a backdoor to their iPhones/Android devices, but tech experts argue against the idea. They say other commercially available encryption programs exist from companies outside the U.S., and terrorists could easily use them if Apple and Google agreed.

“I’m not a fan of this (backdoors in software) since it increases the complexity and adds unintended vulnerabilities to everyone’s mobile devices,” said Ron Gula, CEO of one of the leading global providers of next-generation cyber security software, Tenable Network Security.

“There are many ways for terrorists to hide their activities if they choose to do so, but not all do. Some groups have very poor operation security,” Gula said.

But he warns that drawing public attention to what can frustrate a government investigation sends a message to future terrorists on how to stump investigations.

Terrorists can already access a number of technical manuals on how to encrypt their data and communications, according to Veryan Khan, Editorial Director of its Terrorism Research & Analysis Consortium (TRAC).

That includes a 34-page guide to operational security highlighted in a recent Wired magazine article that ISIS members use.

According to Wired, Aaron Brantly and other researchers with the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point’s military academy “uncovered the manual and other related documents from ISIS forums, social accounts and chat rooms.”