150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters

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How long before Judge Ana J. Brown and the prosecution recognize Ammon Bundy's emergency motion to dismiss?
Will she maintain she has subject matter jurisdiction via USC Title 28 and continue to buldoze over these defendants? It appears she is forging ahead with trial ignoring her obligation to prove she has jurisdiction to try the case.

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This post is refering to the Nevada case, but applies to all US District Courts.

Bill Goode

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From Dan H. Bailey
**** DAVID VS GOLIATH ****
THINK ABOUT THIS! WHO IS THE BUNDY PROSECUTOR? DOES THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAVE AUTHORITY TO PROSECUTE A CRIMINAL ACTION?

CAN A FAMILY THAT HAS SUED TWICE **** THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES **** AND THE AGENCIES “THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT” AND THE “DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR” AGENCIES **** UNDER **** THE PRESIDENT GET A FAIR HEARING OR TRIAL?

Think of it this way, your neighbor wants your land. YOUR NEIGHBOR IS A MAN POSSESSING GREAT POWER WITH MANY DEPARTMENTS OR AGENCIES UNDER HIM!

He sues you in a civil action to force you into submission to leave the land or pay a ransom fee (grazing fees) to use land you have had the right (via common pasture rights) to use for over one-hundred and thirty (130) years.
However, you (David) are an honest man and know what your neighbor is doing is not morally or legally right so you stand fast and oppose him (Goliath) every way you can.

Your neighbor used the JUDGE that is in a department under him (one he appointed the JUDGE and fire or demote at will) to say it is ok for your neighbor to take your cattle off the land.

Your neighbor shows up with great numbers of men, they have GUNS, TASERS, and DOGS to make sure you do not interfere with them as THEY STEAL AND SELL YOUR CATTLE!

In addition, they kill many of your cattle, run your cattle and separate the baby cattle and DESTROY WATER SYSTEMS that your family developed over the 130 years you managed the land in harmony with nature.
Either with these water systems destroyed the native wildlife that depended on the water source, either died of thirst, or migrated great distances to water.

As your neighbors marauders entered your land, friends and neighbors came (unarmed) to protest, by waving flags, taking pictures had verbally protesting the illegal actions.

THEN ONE OF THE ARMED THUGS CAME UP BEHIND A WOMAN TAKING PICTURES OF THE DRIVERS OF TRUCKS BRINGING IN EQUIPMENT TO AID IN STEALING YOUR CATTLE AND DESTROYING YOUR WATER SYSTEM.

THE THUG COMES UP BEHIND YOUR 57-YEAR-OLD AUNT AND GRABS HER FROM BEHIND AND VIOLENTLY SLAMS HER TO THE GROUND. THE EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE CAUGHT ON CAMERA IN PICTURES AND VIDEOS.THE EXCESSIVE AND UNJUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE AND THEN WAS POSTED ON FACEBOOK ANS SHARED OUT IN THE SOCIAL MEDIAL.

GOOD HONEST CITIZENS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY DROPPED WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND AS **** GOOD SAMARITANS **** CAME TO YOUR AID.

Some of them that came to your aid (un-solicited) were ex-military men that understood your neighbor and his marauders were armed and dangerous, so they came armed to stand with you and defend you.

By the sheer numbers of people who came to your aid as the result of the open public media attention; your neighbor and his marauders backed down and left you alone for approximate 2 years.

Then you hear of other ranchers in a neighboring state that is also having problems with your neighbor and his marauders so you go as GOOD SAMARITANS protest the oppression of fellow ranchers. To bring attention to the problems you and a large group of **** GOOD SAMARITANS **** decide to move into a property that your neighbors believes is his property and claim it under adverse possession.

Your neighbor is ferrous and sends more armed marauders and sets up and ambushes you and assaults and kills one of your friends (A GOOD SAMARITAN) THAT STOOD WITH YOU.

A RETALIATORY VINDICTIVE AND MALICIOUS PROSECUTION ACTION IS FILED BY YOUR NEIGHBOR and you are in jail, along with many on your family members and many of the GOOD SAMARITANS (friends) that came to your aid.

Now you face criminal charges brought by your neighbor. Additionally you now face hearings and trial before a JUDGE appointed and paid by your neighbor, and a CLERK, a court reporter appointed by the JUDGE, and a MARSHAL appointed and paid by your neighbor, and a PROSECUTOR (some of the same prosecutors from the civil case) that were appointed and paid by your neighbor. Further, all the Public Pretenders (a.k.a., Defenders) are ALL PROSECUTING YOU TO SIMPLY FOR STANDING UP TO YOUR NEIGHBOR!

SUBSTITUTE **** NEIGHBOR FOR “PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATE” **** and THAT IN A NUTSHELL, IS WHY THE BUNDY FAMILY, THEIR FRIEND’S, NEIGHBOR’S AND SUPPORTERS ARE IN JAIL TODAY!

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Note: EXECUTIVE, UNITED STATES DISTICT OF COLUMBIA MUNICIPAL CORPORATION

[monty]

Ammon Bundy has filed another emergency motion today. This one for a mistrial. I haven't read it yet.



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DID BUNDY PLAY THE LEAD AND WATCH THE FEDS PLAY OUT HIS SCRIPT AS PLANNED? WELL PLAYED AMMON, WELL PLAYED.


THE COWBOY AND THE LADY (https://www.facebook.com/ThomRene2016/)·THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2016 (https://www.facebook.com/notes/the-cowboy-and-the-lady/did-bundy-play-the-lead-and-watch-the-feds-play-out-his-script-as-planned-well-p/1145136365556081)




By: Thom Davis & Rene’ Powers, The Cowboy and The Lady

It is our belief that the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), all federal agencies and state government involved in the Malhuer Refuge circus are all guilty of crimes against humanity. It is time to let all Americans know that the Federal Government is nothing more than a corporation with sub corporations who have usurped our country and destroyed many lives, estates, families and States of the people. Thank you to the Patriots who gave so much to bring this to light.

AMMON BUNDY MOTION FOR DISMISSAL/READ!
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AMMONS EMERGENCY MOTION TO ENJOIN PROSECUTION, DISMISS WITH PREJUDICE AND OTHER RELIEF.

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We have written since day one that the feds have no jurisdiction and Ammon Bundy and his supporters who stood by him at the refuge argued the same point. What we question is why the filing for adverse possession was not done from day one. It would appear that was a motion that could have made a lesser burden on all of Harney County and Americans following this story, but the actions of the Feds would not have played out to the extent of unbelievable lies, cover-ups, deception and fraud upon the court.
The Defendants are WHISTLE BLOWERS NOT TERRORISTS!


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SEE STORY HERE:
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Expert Witnesses Weigh-in on MNWR Title and Jurisdiction Issues
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"The current Malheur National Wildlife Refused is comprised of some 187,000+ acres of land, with very diverse ownership status and history. The original Refuge was set aside by President Theodore Roosevelt in 1908, comprising just a small portion of the current claimed acreage. The Refuge has been vastly expanded since that time through a variety of means. United States v Otley, 127 F2d 988 (9th Cir 1942) makes it very clear that at the time that case was decided there were a wide variety of disputes regarding title to Refuge lands even as they existed at that time, including recognized adverse possession claims. This paper makes no attempt to examine all title issues applicable to the full acreage purportedly involved or included in the current refuge. The primary focus of this paper is on the Refuge headquarters and improvements located in the South half of Section 35, Township 26 South, Range 31, Willamette Meridian, and to some extent the adjoining Section 36, where the alleged adverse possession occupation occurred earlier this year. This paper recognizes factual and legal issues associated with title to both Section 35 and the adjoining Section 36, upon which some additional headquarters infrastructure, including a landing strip, is located, which property by Act of Congress should have been a state school section."

The reasoning for not filing during the stay at the refuge may be due to the fact that it allowed for the Feds to step on their ties and undo their corruption right before our eyes. Ammon was kind and very communicative, offered truth and even Obama said it was for local jurisdiction to handle. Whatever you believe was the right action or non action to take by Bundy, the one common denominator in every action related to this event was federal corruption. The light has been shown bright on the Federal corruption and we thank Ammon and his team for his tenacious efforts to bring out the truth.

From the local media, the production companies, the federal informants, the county courthouse, defense participants with rap sheets longer than a mares tail who worked with the feds, BLM, EPA, Bio Diversity groups, Bureau of Indian Affairs, ATF, FBI, Senators Wyden and Merkley, Gov. Kate Brown, Loretta Lynch, Oregon State Police, Sheriff Ward and Judge Grasty et al are ALL to blame for ignoring Ammons requests to see the evidence. They all must be held accountable to the crimes against the defendants & humanity, the public at large and the death of Lavoy Finicum. Good job Ammon and may we see the truth dismiss this case from further folly.

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Shawna Cox adds fuel to the fire of truth! Keep it up as the light is shining bright and the truth is seen. SHAME ON THE FEDS! SHAME ON THE STATE POLICE! Shame on all who call
themselves public servants and continue to act under the color of law with fraud upon the court and American men/women.
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Suspicious activity has been ongoing in Burns and all of Oregon for a very long time. Many deaths, suicides of children, opening of a juvenile detention center and others associated with child sexual abuse, a man who has every job and even ownership of the town of Harney all play into the crimes against humanity that is so prevalent and was kept in the dark caverns of the nation.

Do the means justify the end in this case as many folks have been harmed and put through hell as the story unfolded and the town was put under a microscope? The theater and productions we will see coming out of this will be many, but do you believe that the extreme measures were needed? Well folks, it may seem as though they were, sad but true, to stop the corruption known as the Corporation, US INC.

Ammon Bundy may just have had to create this theater and let the Feds show it's true colors. All the world is a theater and what character are you?
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HAVE THE FEDS BEEN LYING ALL ALONG ABOUT OWNING THE MALHEUR REFUGE
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Cliven Bundy's sister Margaret Houston day 2 of the trial


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2nd Day of Trial

So this is about how today went......

out of 41 objections from the prosecution the judge sided with the defense 8 times. Out of 11 objections from the defense the judge sided with defense 0 times. Unfortunately, the judge seems like she has already made up her mind and at times we wondered why we were even having a trial. At one point the prosecution talked about 2 videos they wanted to be shown to the jury. One of which was an interview with a reporter. Mumford objected to the video because Ward was not in the interview and it had nothing to do with Ward. Judge over ruled. Directly after Mumford asked why Prosecution was able to have a part one and a part two. Judge explained to prosecution that she specifically asked when submitting evidence not to have subtitles but since it was already done we would just go with it. Bias? You decide. Also Ammon and Ryan mentioned that they were transferred from the jail free of handcuffs and as they were waiting by the courthouse door right before coming into the room they put handcuffs on them, escorted them into the room, and then removed them. What was the reason for that? Just for show?

Prosecution said Dave Ward would talk about the Hammonds so Judge wanted to read synopsis of Hammonds to give the jury a background on who they are.

Sheriff Ward was the first witness to take the stand. He came in looking very uptight and nervous. He mentioned that he met Ammon for the first time on Nov 5, 2015 and that He always had polite conversation with Ammon. He said he is an easy guy to have conversation with. At one point When Sheriff Ward was asked a question he said "I don't recall, my brain is like jello." Ward met in person and talked on the phone with Ammon several times. One meeting was with about 10 of the guys from the refuge. Even though the sheriff's office clearly states that guns are prohibited, the sheriff said he allowed the men to come in with their guns because he didn't want to have a second amendment argument. It was evident that the guns were allowed because Ward was not worried or concerned in any way about his safety or the safety of those in his office. Otherwise, he wouldn't have allowed it.

The video of the meeting with Sheriff Ward and Ammon was played for the Jury. In the video Ammon asked the sheriff 4 times in 4 different ways about addressing their redress of grievances. "what do you expect people to do if they are bringing up legitimate concerns and they are ignored?" Ammon Bundy

Sheriff Ward continued to beat around the question even while on the stand.

Prosecution asked Sheriff Ward if he was the Law of the Land. He responded yes. They then asked him as sheriff can you overturn the decisions of the federal government or the Hammonds or any of that for that matter? Sheriff Ward said, "no, I do not."

Earlier in his testimony Ward mentioned that he is the one who approves gun permits in his county and the permits have his signature. Towards the end of his testimony he was asked about what percentage of his community carry guns. Ward said he is unsure.

Infamous quotes today from Sheriff Ward. "We can't just arrest someone because we don't like what they have to say."
"You have to have a victim to arrest someone for a crime."

Butch Eaton took the stand briefly towards the end of court. Judge asked him to stay the night so that he could continue his testimony tomorrow. He briefly spoke of how he joined a group that headed to the refuge. His story was much different than what he had originally relayed to prosecutors but prosecution reminded him to only give testimony on what he himself saw and now what was relayed to him by someone else or anything he is just assuming. His testimony will continue tomorrow.

PS I am going to miss Sarah so much when I have to part from her tomorrow. No more cuddle time.

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Ryan Bundy's Motion for Judge Brown to excuse herself


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Ammon Bundy's emergency motion for mistrial


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Thursday Malheur Trial highlights


http://youtu.be/9a8Y-uPF9-o

https://youtu.be/9a8Y-uPF9-o


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Gary Hunt, Outpost to Freedom discovered Judge Anna Brown ordered Ammon Bundy's motion to dismiss sealed.

There are copies all over the internet!

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Ammon Budy wears blue jail scrubs to court


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Oregon standoff: Ammon Bundy chooses to wear jail scrubs in trial

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Ammon Bundy surprised the court Thursday when he showed up for trial wearing blue jail scrubs, with a pocket Constitution in left shirt pocket.

"Mr. Bundy desires to appear as he is, a political prisoner not free to dress as if presumed innocent,'' attorney J. Morgan Philpot said, reading his client's statement. "He would prefer to drop the facade and appear as the political prisoner he has been made.''

Bundy also bemoaned how he has been "shuffled around in chains," "molested like an animal," and not given the "utensils'' he needs to prepare for trial.
U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown asked Bundy to stand. She inquired whether it was his choice to appear in jail attire, and if anyone took his suit away.

"Your honor, I have no comment," he replied.

The judge told him she must know if his decision was voluntary.

"I have no comment," he repeated.

Philpot interjected, "Mr. Bundy feels he really has no choice — that that's been taken from him."

Controversy surrounding Bundy's attire began just before jury selection, when he objected to a U.S. Marshal's policy that he not be allowed to wear cowboy boots (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/09/ammon_bundys_lawyer_argues_for.html#incart_river_i ndex_topics), a belt or necktie. In his objection to that policy, his lawyer argued that a juror could draw an inference that he was not presumed innocent as he was being held in custody and did not look like the other out-of-custody defendants.

The judge then denied his objections, and Bundy came to court in a tan suit jacket (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/09/federal_judge_finds_bundy_brot.html), white dress shirt and loafers.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Ethan Knight on Thursday said the government didn't have any objection to Bundy's choice of clothing now, but did note that Bundy had earlier been concerned about jurors drawing any inferences of guilt from his attire.

Defendant Ryan Bundy, Ammon's older brother, stood up in court, and said he supported his brother's assertions.
"Do you wish to change clothes too?" the judge asked him.

Ryan Bundy, wearing a dark suit jacket over a leather vest and blue plaid shirt, responded, "I'm fine with mine today."
The judge allowed Ammon Bundy to remain in the standard jail scrubs — blue shirt over pink T-shirt and blue pants.

She did, though, alert jurors to the change.

"You are not to draw any inference of any kind from his attire today or any day," Brown said.

-- Maxine Bernstein
mbernstein@oregonian.com
503-221-8212 (tel:503-221-8212)
@maxoregonian (http://gold-silver.us/forum/safari-reader://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/09/"https://twitter.com/maxoregonian)

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Bill Goode believes LaVoy,Finicum was targeted by FBI for assasanation.

Bill Goode

1 hr (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1717765141769695/permalink/1801056076773934/)

This 48 min interview has been posted before, but the significance of it causes me to repost it. In this interview Butch Eaton describes his interview / interrogation from the FBI in his home on 3 January. This is the VERY day after the initial occupation of the Refuge.

In this interview Butch Eaton describes how the FBI had singled out LaVoy Finicum for identification - THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE AMBUSH ON 26 JANUARY.

Until this interview, I have been unsure whether the shooting of LaVoy was a murder or an assassination. This interview confirms to me that the shooting of LaVoy was an assassination. The FBI had evidently been targeting LaVoy since before this interview / interrogation with Butch Eaton on 3 January.

Rural Route Radio April 7, 2016 Butch Eaton was at Malheur Refuge day one of ... (http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftrentloos.podomatic.com%2Fent ry%2F2016-04-07T08_17_44-07_00&h=GAQGCwm3t&enc=AZOwCgWdi7L90YBVKuiNMBOlPj5TmVXab2vFD1c022HxW3 nwpCPDQV8vE3waTCm91QdAG9BoEEtCZGVcN3tNoEhrYNFj5JVJ LXiJVsD9wdPsUwqZp7akRcVTgk4TS7DUugNAtDuhlvPuung0rB urrw616h7kOEMBiPOMdCCiTiVzrAWsvnsdNJTk_qkBdAKW48I&s=1)
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Trent Loos Podcast:

http://trentloos.podomatic.com/entry/2016-04-07T08_17_44-07_00

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This reporter must not be aware of the deed or the Otley case showing the Malheur headquarters was originally private property. She is reporting on what is happening in the courtroom regarding ownership. Also land under and around a federal courthouse or post office usually is land that was ceded to the USA by the state legislature, so this Anthony Bosworth case is like comparing apples to oranges. This lady also seems to be missing the subject matter jurisdiction issue not being addressed .

http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/15/federal-land-ownership-hot-topic/

Federal Land Ownership Hot Topic in Malheur Trial

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Federal Land Ownership Hot Topic in Malheur Trial

By Shari Dovale and Aubrie Bosworth

As much as Judge Anna Brown is trying to keep out the issue of who owns the Malheur Wildlife Refuge, it keeps sneaking back into the testimony.
Judge Brown has repeatedly stated that the issues of Federal land ownership will not be litigated during this trial. She wants the subject to be buried as deeply as possible. However, it is intricate to the trial.

The defendants firmly believe that the Malheur Refuge does not belong to the Federal government (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/04/12/bureau-land-management-part-1/). That goes right to the heart of their intent. If their intent is to be judged by the jury, they must first fully understand this (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/06/15/public-lands-keep-out/).

Additionally, Brown does not realize that there is precedent for this issue. Anthony Bosworth (https://youtu.be/dX-hVauWw6A) was arrested in February 2015 for carrying firearms on federal property, specifically the Federal Courthouse plaza in Spokane, Washington.

Though he was in the public plaza and street, he was arrested as if he was inside the courthouse. His defense was that he was not on Federal property, but on public property.

This necessitated the prosecutors to prove that he was on Federal property. They had to dig up blueprints, etc to show their was a previously unknown parking garage under the street that was considered part of the courthouse. They were able to utilize this information to extend the land around the courthouse, and charge Bosworth.

The Malheur trial brings the issue forward again, and should at least require the discussion during the trial, if not a Motion for Dismissal for not allowing it.

The defendants believe they can prove that the Malheur Wildlife Refuge does not belong to the Federal government. They are being charged with crimes ON Federal land. If so, they charges they are being tried for would be moot.

This is not a given. It should not be treated as such. Let the Federal Government prove their ownership.

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This is one of the articles linked by Shari Dovale in the preceding post. Donald Trump is not going to fix it, we need to fix it at home.

The biggest and most dangerous error people continue to make is refering to the public land as "Federal Land". The only
federal land is the District of Columbia and their enclaves.

This is the future the vultures have planned for us and is also the number one reason why the land ownership issue and the United States District Courts' (all 49 of them,,the Hawaii Court is an Article III court of limited jurisdiction) lack of constitutional authority to take jurisdiction inmthe states must be exposed. Without the courts (((they))) cannot advance their agenda. Also the public needs to be educated that Congress lacks power (Constitutional authority) to legislate in the states. Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, the guncontrol acts and other federal laws do not apply in the states. Only by dumbing down the population and usurping jurisdiction have they been able to achieve and continue this scam. Bundys and Trowbridge are shining a bright light on their evil ways. It is not just the western way of life under attack, it is all of America. Teach your kids at home what they won't learn in the skoolz

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PUBLIC LANDS – KEEP OUT! by Representative Scott


EXPECT MORE RULES, FEES, RESTRICTIONS, MISMANAGEMENT AND ULTIMATELY, A FENCE AROUND YOUR PUBLIC LANDS.

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PUBLIC LANDS – KEEP OUT!

WHAT IS THE REAL AGENDA FOR OUR PUBLIC LANDS?

Representative Heather Scott – District 1 – North Idaho

There is an obvious trend building even emotional liberals can’t deny. The western way of life is under full assault from our federal government and its multitude of federal agencies and policy pushers. Well known western ranchers like the Hammonds, Bundys (http://redoubtnews.com/blog/2016/02/23/cliven-bundy-and-4-others-indicted-for-bunkerville/), Hages and Joe Robertson (http://redoubtnews.com/blog/2016/06/10/forest-service-demolishes-access-private-property/), along thousands of unnamed ranching family (http://redoubtnews.com/blog/2016/06/10/clean-water-act-scores-victim-oregon/) members, are being forced to abandon this important American way of life. Why?? Federal bullies and their regulation quagmires. I'm

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My question is, what is driving this trend and why?

After reading last week’s Redoubt News (http://redoubtnews.com/blog/2016/06/10/forest-service-demolishes-access-private-property/) article about the U.S. Forest Service’s attempt to restrict a local gold club’s access to a mining claim, I decided to dig a little deeper into this growing problem. It didn’t take long to find three very disturbing documents that shed some light on the issue. These include:


“EJ 2020-Action Agenda-Environmental Justice Strategic Plan (2016-2020) (http://redoubtnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/052216_ej_2020_strategic_plan_final_EPA.pdf)” EPA
“Sustainable Development and its influence on Mining Operations on Federal Lands-A Conversation in Plain Language (http://redoubtnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/MiningOps.pdf)” from the BLM and the US Forest Service

“Sustainable Development-Minerals Applications (http://redoubtnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/MineralsApp.pdf)” from the BLM and the US Forest Service.



A review of these three documents provides clear confirmation of planned cooperation by US federal agencies with the United Nations in an implement many Agenda 21 proposals. One of the three reports ends by stating “we heartily endorse the Plan of Implementation signed at the World Summit on Sustainable Development”!

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Globalist and socialists have perfected the art of word twisting. This is an attempt to change the public’s perception on many national and world issues. Understanding their “meaning” of words often provides the first red flags for liberty loving Americans. The term “Sustainable Development” has morphed into a whole litany of confusing meanings and agendas. The definition of the word “sustainable” to an American patriot can be far different than the meaning to a UN global environmentalist.

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Colin PowellThe root of the issue goes back to the United States’ participation in the “World Summit on Sustainable Development” in Johannesburg, South Africa in September 2002. At the Summit’s closing ceremonies, then US Secretary of State, Colin Powell, adopted the “Plan of Implementation”. This plan addressed activities relating to mining, minerals, metals and resources and how they would be managed.

Since then, those “sustainability principles” have been trickling into federal rules, regulations, fees and policies. These policies are then pushed onto the states by agencies like the EPA, BLM and USDA. I believe it is no coincidence that the public and private western lands we are seeing ranchers being bullied off of, being “acquired”, or being highly regulated with fees and restrictions, are same ones where important mineral or water resources occur.

Our federal bureaucrats continue to fall in lock step with the UN global thinking. Their brochures are now boldly proclaiming they will “support efforts to address the environmental, economic, health and social impacts using partnerships at international levels among interested governments, intergovernmental organizations”. This continues to promote their “idea” sustainability. They have obviously forgotten they work for the American people-not the United Nations and its global members.

Redefining and promoting social engineering ideas like sustainability is not an enumerated power of the federal government! We need to say enough is enough. I believe until we start standing up as a sovereign state and making our own decisions, we will continue to be locked out of our public lands, forest fires will continue to burn billions of dollars in homes and renewable timber resources, and the American ranching way of life will further falter under withering federal pressures.

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Remember: We get the government we allow!

If this makes your blood pressure soar, then please join me in this battle to save our western way of life and gain state ownership of our federal lands. Otherwise expect more rules, fees, restrictions, mismanagement and ultimately, a fence around your public lands.

I am in the fight for the long haul. Please join me and help me be a strong focused voice for North Idaho’s western values and for liberty loving citizens across the state.

Rep Heather Scott District 1
www.repheatherscott.com
208-920-3120 (tel:208-920-3120)

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People are saying the government's case is falling apart at the loosely tacked seams. But, remember,
we have a very corrupt judge, Anna J. Brown who works for the same entity as the very corrupt prosecutors.

Today the boss of the bird refuge changed his testimony admitting yesterday's testimony was all HEARSAY.

Refuge Manager Changes Testimony On Witness Stand


KARGES WAS THE ONLY ONE TO TELL THE EMPLOYEES TO NOT GO TO WORK.

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Refuge Manager Changes Testimony On Witness Stand

by Aubrie Bosworth (http://redoubtnews.com/?s=Aubrie+Bosworth) and Shari Dovale (http://redoubtnews.com/?s=Shari+Dovale)

The manager of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge south of Burns, Oregon, testified in the Protest Trial (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/12/malheur-protest-trial-week-2/)being held in Portland, Oregon. Chad Karges took the stand on the second day of testimony, spending most of the day being questioned by the government and defense attorneys.
Karges told of how he was concerned for the safety of his 16 employees after seeing a caravan of cars pass his house after a rally on Saturday, January 2, 2016.

He instructed his employees to “not report to work until they were instructed” by him. However, he stated contradictory dates for these instructions.
He admitted to telling to 2 maintenance workers to leave the refuge and go home on December 31st, a full 2 days before the rally took place in Burns.
Though he first said that he learned of Bunkerville (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/15/federal-land-ownership-hot-topic/) through internet stories, he admitted to reading ‘government reports’ after the incident in 2014, which held weight in his decision to empty the refuge of workers.

He attempted to say that his information came from rumors, or common knowledge (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/14/sheriff-ward-testifies-malheur-trial/), throughout the town of Burns. But, it seems to us that it would not be reasonable to empty a facility of workers based on rumors.

He told of how he went to the refuge on Friday, January 1st, to remove a laptop computer from his office for a meeting he was attending. He testified that all the doors were locked at the refuge, but on cross examination, it was revealed that he never personally checked any door other than his own office. He relied on what he believed to have been true, based on general behavior of the employees.

He also testified that when Linda Beck asked him if she could go to the refuge on Saturday, January 2nd, to retrieve paperwork from her office, Karges specifically told her not to go. He was concerned for her safety, even though no specific threats had been made by the protesters, and the rally had not even taken place at that time.

He was not concerned for his own safety, demonstrated by his personal visit on Friday, January 1st. But, based on rumors within the town, he became concerned for the safety of his employees.

He also testified that $400.00 had been taken from the safe, but later confirmed that he did not know of this personally. Again, he testified to what someone else had told him.

So, this man testified to quite a lot of hearsay, statements from others, and reports from a 2014 grazing rights incident, to not allow his 16 employees to go to the refuge. He was the only one to tell the employees to not go to work. The defendants (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/13/opening-statements-malheur-protest-trial/) never spoke to them and never kept them from working.

http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/16/refuge-manager-testimony-witness-stand/

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Todd Macfarlane on motion for mistrial


http://youtu.be/m8gb3rO9Q4Q

https://youtu.be/m8gb3rO9Q4Q

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Lorri Anderson has a collection of videos on this trial

https://plus.google.com/collection/IdjybB

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On a side note, Sheriff Glen Palmer, thanks to Les (((Zaitz))) has a hearing coming up shortly.





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Todd Macfarlane Jeff Rose 1, BLM manager testimony.


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Another video report from Todd Macfarlane 9/16

https://www.periscope.tv/NewsBud_/1OdKrYZDXWqxX

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Todd Macfarlane video reporting from Portland 9/15

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1BRJjRrlWONJw

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Here is the article "Addressing JUDICIAL BIAS, The Elephant in the Room" Todd Macfarlane referred to in one of his videos. I believe Macfarlane goes to great lengths to present an unbiased opinion, quite the oposite of the Oregonian and the other main stream media.


I’m not completely naïve and inexperienced when it comes to judges. I don’t claim to be the greatest or most experienced trial attorney in the world. I am content to be a rancher first and foremost (as well as a writer, and a wannabe media mogul), but I have been an attorney for 25 years, and have been associated with the legal profession (first as a paralegal – back before there even was such a thing) for over 30 years. I have practiced law in two states, and worked a year as a paralegal in upstate New York, before starting law school. I have been a prosecutor and a criminal defense attorney. I have tried plenty of civil cases over the years. I have known plenty of judges, and I have basically been around the block. My only reason for saying all that is that I’m not sure that in 25 years I have ever seen any clearer case of blatant judicial bias. Todd Macfarlane


http://rangefire.us/2016/09/17/addressing-judicial-bias-and-the-elephant-in-the-room-legal-reality-check-by-todd-macfarlane/

Addressing JUDICIAL BIAS and the Elephant in the Room — Legal Reality Check — by Todd Macfarlane

What If You’re Viewed as the Red-Headed Step Child?

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Have you ever watched the movie Ever After starring Drew Barrymore? It depicts Barrymore in a Cinderella role, as the French maiden, Danielle de Barbarac, who is treated very poorly by her step-mother. But in real life, for most stepchildren, life is not a Cinderella story.

After spending a week observing the Oregon Standoff Trial, and burning the candle at both ends to make short video clip commentaries about developments in the trial, I’ve got to take a break and do some writing. There is something I’ve got to get off my chest. I’ve got to address the elephant in the room. I’ve talked about foxes guarding the hen house in federal court (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2016/08/25/legal-reality-check-anatomy-of-a-conspiracy/) generally. At this point all those analogies apply to the Oregon Standoff Trial.

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When it comes to the contrast between how natural children are often treated by their parents versus step children, although there are clearly exceptions to that and every other rule, many people can relate to this analogy. Whether it has happened to them or not, they have often seen families and situations where there is a stark contrast between how the natural and step children are treated, with marked preferential treatment for a parent’s own natural children.

Let’s face it, Bundys are also viewed and treated as redheated stepchildren by their siblings — the vast majority of the American People. If there is a derogatory label or characterization that can be found, it has been used to describe them. They and their associates are viewed to be the “bad,” misbehaving problem children. I had one U.S Marshall at the Portland federal courthouse tell me just that — when problem children misbehave, you have to get out the belt to send a message to everyone else.

That’s why having judges who are able to act impartially is so critical to the fair and just operation of our judicial system. And as a general rule, many of them probably are. It isn’t easy. Judges are human beings. The have opinions. The have inherent natural biases. Sometimes they can set those aside. Sometimes they can’t.

At this point I’m just going to interject and say that Oregon Federal District Judge Anna Brown does not appear to be an exception to the general step-parent analogy – at least not in this case. Before going any further, however, I also want to say that I have come to like Judge Brown, as I have observed her over the
course of a week, as she presides over the Oregon Standoff Trial.

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I have come to the conclusion that she is a very competent and efficient jurist, fully capable of handling a complex case like this with multiple defendants and other challenges. But her preferences and biases are really starting to show.

I have a former law partner who is now a judge. I have previously made reference to him (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2016/02/02/a-view-from-the-trenches-from-my-perspective-by-todd-macfarlane/), his observations, and my most recent discussions with him (http://rangefire.us/2016/04/10/welcome-to-the-new-normal-with-its-full-slate-of-labels/), in several of my previous articles about the Oregon Standoff. Back when we worked together in the same law firm, when I was first a paralegal, then (following law school) an associate, and eventually a partner, I used to tell people that he was the best lawyer I had ever known – as long as you were on his front burner. Based on my observations of this trial thus far, I’m going to offer a similar caveat about Judge Brown – as long as you are not viewed as a step child – possibly a bastard step child – she is probably a pretty darn good jurist.

But what if you happen to be viewed as that red-headed step child?

I mentioned this dilemma clear back in early February (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2016/02/02/a-view-from-the-trenches-from-my-perspective-by-todd-macfarlane/) – before LaVoy Finicum was even in the ground – my concerns about finding a judge who could be impartial about this case. When people are viewed – as Bundys are – as problem children, and public enemy number one to the Federal government, which has become painfully obvious in such a myriad of ways, including the extreme security measures on display during the trial, how are they ever going to get a fair treatment by the vast majority of federal court judges?

I’m not completely naïve and inexperienced when it comes to judges. I don’t claim to be the greatest or most experienced trial attorney in the world. I am content to be a rancher first and foremost (as well as a writer, and a wannabe media mogul), but I have been an attorney for 25 years, and have been associated with the legal profession (first as a paralegal – back before there even was such a thing) for over 30 years. I have practiced law in two states, and worked a year as a paralegal in upstate New York, before starting law school. I have been a prosecutor and a criminal defense attorney. I have tried plenty of civil cases over the years. I have known plenty of judges, and I have basically been around the block. My only reason for saying all that is that I’m not sure that in 25 years I have ever seen any clearer case of blatant judicial bias.

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To sit back and watch, it doesn’t take long for it to become painfully obvious. It’s almost as if there has been some sort of explicit collusion between Judge Brown and the prosecution. She is extremely defensive when it comes to any questions that relate to federal property title ownership and jurisdiction. She has said that she is going to allow the Defendants to explore subject matter that will help explain their purpose, intent, and state of mind, but she isn’t practicing what she’s preaching. She won’t let them lay the foundation for presenting that evidence. The prosecution is on a hair trigger to object when it comes to that subject matter, and she often sustains their objections without even hearing the grounds for the objections. As a general rule she sustains their objections almost before the word “objection” is even out of their mouths.

The examination and testimony of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Manager Chad Karges provided a perfect example. On direction examination, the prosecution asked Karges about the government’s ownership of the land where the refuge headquarters is located, including title to that property. This is a hot topic (http://rangefire.us/2016/09/15/expert-witnesses-weigh-in-on-mnwr-title-and-jurisdiction-issues/), because, as it turns out, that land was not part of the original refuge set-aside by President Roosevelt in 1908. That particular land had been originally homesteaded in the late 1800s, and had been reacquired by the Federal government in at least two separate transactions in the 1930s and 40s, based on specific congressional acts.

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The prosecution opened the door to cross examination on that subject by questioning Karges about it. But when it came time for cross examination, both the prosecution and Judge Brown were on hair trigger to shut down that line of questioning. Obviously, they didn’t want Karges to have to attempt to do any explaining when it came to the issues of title ownership and jurisdiction. A quote from the Shakespeare play Hamlet, seems more than apropos regarding Judge Brown’s treatment of the Defendants’ inquiries in this regard: “methinks she doth protest too much.”

After just a week of trial it has become painfully obvious that Judge Brown considers the government and the prosecution in this case to be her preferred natural children in the whole equation, who are entitled to overzealous protection against the probing questions and inquiries of the Defendants.

And at this point, I’m going to once again renew my pitch for greater judicial transparency (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2016/07/29/legal-reality-check-its-high-time-the-court-system-takes-a-serious-look-at-transparency-by-todd-macfarlane/), through some mechanism of live-streaming of cases and court proceedings, which are already being recorded via a variety of electronic means. This would give others a better opportunity to see what I am talking about, as well as help remove the mystery that continues to enshroud the judicial system.

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In this case, that would be very helpful for several reasons. One thing that most people probably don’t know is that Ammon Bundy’s attorney, Marcus Mumford, has a speech impediment. He stutters. Sometimes more than others. But, unlike many lawyers, he is no silver-tongued devil. He has to work very hard at what he does. When he introduced himself to the jury, he joked that when you call his house you better not hang up too soon if you don’t hear someone speak, because he may still be trying to get the first word out of his mouth.

It may not be politically correct to even mention this, let alone talk about such things – just like it isn’t politically correct to mention, let alone discuss, Ryan Bundy’s facial deformities. But, along with Judge Brown’s obvious attitude towards the Defendants’ and their attorneys generally, this has all become part of the elephant in the room. Judge Brown’s whole body language, demeanor, and repeated rulings leave little doubt about her preferences and biases in the case. There’s that old saying “the record speaks for itself,” and the record is really starting to speak in this case. Judge Brown does not like this Defendants, and their attorneys, who they are, what they stand for, and the arguments they are attempting to make. That has all become rather painfully obvious.

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Consequently, it was no real surprise when, even at this stage, early in the trial, after months of legal wrangling, Ryan Bundy made a motion to recuse Judge Brown. That motion was then followed by a motion for a mistrial, based highly prejudicial, unsolicited answers from the Government’s witnesses on cross examination, that Attorney Mumford argued had been coached, and that although they should have known better, they had “laid in wait for the opportunity to blurt this information (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8gb3rO9Q4Q).” According to Mumford, a pattern was starting to become readily apparent. Although the motion was initially sealed, eventually Judge Brown heard arguments on the motion and ruled on it. Her decision not to grant the motion was no surprise, but her failure to admonish the government against any such future outbursts was. In the meantime, neither the motion to recuse, nor the motion for mistrial have done much to curry her favor. In other words, it appears that situation is going from bad to worse.

I’m convinced that Judge Brown is a capable, competent judge. But she’s still human. The case has progressed to the point that she can’t hide her distaste for the Defendants and what they stand for. Attorney Mumford’s inherent challenges are also starting to grate on her. It’s a darn good thing that a jury will be deciding the case. If this were a “bench trial” (tried to the judge without a jury), the defendants would be in serious trouble. There is little question that regardless of what the constitution may say, in Judge Brown’s own mind there is no presumption of innocence. Influenced by, among other things, the multiple plea agreements that have been entered into, and processed through her court, she has clearly already long since reached the conclusion in her own mind that at least some of the defendants are guilty. But with the governments one-size-fits-all approach that becomes a real challenge. In the meantime even though the jury will be deciding guilt or innocence, there are a myriad of legal and evidentiary rulings that must be made by a judge. And anyone who might find themselves in the shoes of the defendants in this case would want an impartial judge to be in the driver’s seat. Any defendant accused of anything would naturally want an impartial judge. It’s a tall order in this case, but it’s not too much to ask.

Something else to consider are Judge Brown’s statements that she has a lot of confidence in this particular jury. She said they have already demonstrated that they will follow all her directions very carefully. Exactly what that means remains to be seen.

I don’t know what the final outcome will be regarding this issue. Unfortunately, I am not optimistic. I have a friend who says that really most pessimists are just optimists with experience. As an experienced realist, I am concerned about the writing on the wall. But in conclusion I will make a couple suggestions to the defense: Cross examination is an opportunity to make hay with the government’s witnesses. Tight, leading questions are fully permissible, and will help get around many of the prosecution’s objections, as well as do a better job of making and emphasizing some important points. And as lead defense counsel in the case, Ammon Bundy’s attorneys need to start changing things up, and better utilizing their full team, with Attorney Morgan Philpot playing a more active role in cross examination – which is a prime opportunity to shed some much needed sunlight in this case. It is not yet clear if Judge Brown hates all the red-headed step children equally, so if there is one who might find favor in some regard, it is time to figure that out, and utilize that person to play a bigger role in helping to work through this.

By the time it’s over, this case is going to be a full-fledged adventure.

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I am posting Lazaro Ecenarro's opinion piece. He seems to make some interesting points. Whether or not they have any bearing on this case is questionable.

Lazaro Ecenarro

4 hrs (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1717765141769695/permalink/1801671573379051/)

Under Federal Rules of Evidence 801 and 803:

EXHIBITS

Directly and / or indirectly, does a “Conflict-of –Interest” exist; between Judge Anna J. Brown and Governor Kate Brown, as member’s of the OWLS (Oregon Woman Lawyers) ? If so, should Judge Brown have removed / recused and / or disqualified herself from ruling on Ryan Bundy’s subpoena for Gov. Brown ? If so, does this mean that Judge Brown ruling an “squashing” Ryan’s is “null and void” ?

Directly and / or indirectly; Does a “Conflict-of –Interest” exist between Judge Anna J. Brown, Judge Ann Aikens, Senator(s) Ron Wyden, Jeff Merkley, Representative Peter Defazio and others for the following reasons and limited too:

A. Members of the Federal BAR Association
B. Lewis and Clark Law School

SEE EXHIBIT: April 21, 2014: Oregon BENCHMARKS

NOTE: Judge Anna J. Brown was “appointed” by Bill Clinton; violated “Title of Nobility” as written within the “ORGANIC” 13th Amendment, Article 1 Section 9 and / or the Federalist Papers. Thus, She could be “conspiring” in the cover-up regarding land grabbing for Uranium One, Calico Resource, Malhuer Timber and / or the corporation(s).

NOTE: Governor Kate Brown is another “government official” that was “appointed”; when “Conflict-of-Interest” exist, corruption and / or fraud can exist, an FRAUD will always be FRAUD…

Summer 2010 OWLS Presents Career Development / Rainmaking Dinner for Young Lawyers
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Summer 2011 The Lawyers’ Champaign for equal justice
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Summer 2014 The Lawyers’ Champaign for equal justice
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Malheur Reserve

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Old News from Twister Radio. Jim Lamley with Angie Bundy Sept. 6

http://ice9.securenetsystems.net/media/KSDZ/ondemand/Angie-Bundy-Interview--and-Willow-Tree-Intrview.m4a

[monty]

Thom Davis and Rene Powers lost favoritsm with the Malheur defendants last spring when they exposed an associate on Ammon Bundy's new legal team that replaced Arnold Law here: https://www.facebook.com/notes/the-cowboy-and-the-lady/honorable-men-unknowingly-led-to-do-dishonorable-things-ties-to-the-king-of-morm/1071070049629380?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE



Today they are updating that story.

The Cowboy and the Lady (https://www.facebook.com/ThomRene2016/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE) shared their note (https://www.facebook.com/notes/the-cowboy-and-the-lady/honorable-men-unknowingly-led-to-do-dishonorable-things-ties-to-the-king-of-morm/1071070049629380?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE).

28 mins (https://www.facebook.com/ThomRene2016/posts/1147757561960628) ·
REMINDER:

This is the story where we put the information out regarding Rick Koerber/Claude Franklin that caused us to be attacked by a select few defending him. "what does it matter who he stole from before? He is working for the defense team helping now!!", YES, that was said folks!

What does it matter? You may answer that, or not. We took slanderous hits saying we were liars and that he was doing "good" for the defense and we were then black balled from the circle of love in the "christ like" folks around the defense.

There was even a long letter staged from Ryan to our Cowboy defending Koerber that was a joke as it was sent to another man and seen by one of the women helping the defense before the Cowboy even saw it. Pictures of all the pages were taken and shared across the internet and it was very upsetting that mail to the Cowboy was intercepted and read by two before he even got it. Seem a tad staged, don't ya think? We think so. Anything to defend Koerber. What is it about him and this case that caused us to be attacked so hard, kicked to the curb and all our hard researched evidence proving the innocence ignored after that?

Well, as of the last few weeks we have questioned if he is still working for the defense, we know MUMFORD is his attorney too, we know he was writing pleadings and handling the filings for Arnold law, so we still had questions as to whether he was put in this scene for reasons that seem suspect at best.

His case was removed from Federal appeals on January 21, he showed up at the refuge January 25 and met with Ryan (who did not know his real story and he was there to "cover" the refuge and interview Ryan and others) January 26 Lavoy is murdered and Koerber is there in town...then Arnold goes into full speed ahead leading all to believe he is the one doing all the work and then we find it was Koerber collecting and handling all the defense evidence, filing the documents? Well, draw your own questions or conclusions, but Koerber's partner went to prison over all this and was sentenced in May...

Did Koerber getting outed behind the scenes give reason for the judge to say "full speed ahead" again with his trial? Was he going to be let off the charges for helping destroy the Patriot movement that he spouts to love so much in order that he keep his freedom? We ask again as no one ever answered, all we got was, "What difference does it make?" (sounding very Hillaryesque) Lot's of questions, but we wait to see what happens..."Curtain goes up again on the USA vs. Koerber (or Franklin or ???)

HERE IS THE STORY FROM AUGUST 25, 2016 about the case going forward.

http://www.sltrib.com/…/judge-fraud-case-against-rick-koerb… (http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sltrib.com%2Fhome%2F42803 14-155%2Fjudge-fraud-case-against-rick-koerber&h=GAQGArAyEAQEtA-sKo9xY0EACNGwZEfhlI0VCS6a4rV8jAQ&enc=AZMX5kZleaZrbb1mQJkM60jexFEKwq5QGlOH4HlJKQHhFf ES_MSvNOzDSFpyN-6pHZWC4hlWwrMK3bAjXWt_vcmQwh_F0jltN_OQsqoa2x2P2ra-B14UMy1MGvwLOdWlInNSUdraKMy3PHsQD3MTwiUrsr36KgTn4U EUt9B1itqqDEVcxY4RBQTHysceiJ6UTW_vcIVxVxiF5rIy9pB3 j5Bq&s=1)


Edit: Thom and Rene contine . . .


The Cowboy and the Lady (https://www.facebook.com/ThomRene2016/?fref=nf)

7 mins (https://www.facebook.com/ThomRene2016/posts/1147785425291175) ·

We did an article months ago about the man Rick Koerber/Claude Franklin which caused us to be attacked by a select few defending him. "what does it matter who he stole from before? He is working for the defense team helping now!!", YES, that was said folks!

What does it matter? You may answer that, or not. We took slanderous hits saying we were liars and that he was doing "good" for the defense and we were then black balled from the circle of love in the "christ like" folks around the defense.

There was even a long letter staged from Ryan to our Cowboy defending Koerber that was a joke as it was sent to another man and seen by one of the women helping the defense before the Cowboy even saw it. Pictures of all the pages were taken and shared across the internet and it was very upsetting that mail to the Cowboy was intercepted and read by two before he even got it. Seem a tad staged, don't ya think? We think so. Anything to defend Koerber. What is it about him and this case that caused us to be attacked so hard, kicked to the curb and all our hard researched evidence proving the innocence ignored after that?

Well, as of the last few weeks we have questioned if he is still working for the defense, we know MUMFORD is his attorney too, we know he was writing pleadings and handling the filings for Arnold law, so we still had questions as to whether he was put in this scene for reasons that seem suspect at best.

His case was removed from Federal appeals on January 21, he showed up at the refuge January 25 and met with Ryan (who did not know his real story and he was there to "cover" the refuge and interview Ryan and others) January 26 Lavoy is murdered and Koerber is there in town...then Arnold goes into full speed ahead leading all to believe he is the one doing all the work and then we find it was Koerber collecting and handling all the defense evidence, filing the documents? Well, draw your own questions or conclusions, but Koerber's partner went to prison over all this and was sentenced in May...

Did Koerber getting outed behind the scenes give reason for the judge to say "full speed ahead" again with his trial? Was he going to be let off the charges for helping destroy the Patriot movement that he spouts to love so much in order that he keep his freedom? We ask again as no one ever answered, all we got was, "What difference does it make?" (sounding very Hillaryesque) Lot's of questions, but we wait to see what
happens..."Curtain goes up again on the USA vs. Koerber (or Franklin or ???)
HERE IS THE STORY FROM AUGUST 25, 2016 about the case going forward.
http://www.sltrib.com/…/judge-fraud-case-against-rick-koerb… (http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sltrib.com%2Fhome%2F42803 14-155%2Fjudge-fraud-case-against-rick-koerber&h=8AQEBhkNPAQHLY4c32r_49YZs0c3noeMfTWJYa4pYi9XErg&enc=AZNoyhJ9a9fg0YRIyqkbagDIGcQlRLDm-pMpztT-wLsKCHMMFpE8wE8SvwpK-F9qKtTFt4e6KPhn4Kvy8UujNDj5rJdWS5B2pvYrI9v8UxO3gAo Q6MBesl2dsxHkHKrwJ6yLeOKvI_3NACeKEH_J6hx3pq808rblI hIVx59844V7il01SGv3Eqfu0Y2t5JJVSVf1shyRkUWQ0aXvjUL A7qhP&s=1)

HERE IS THE ARTICLE WE PUBLISHED ON JUNE 5, 2016 AFTER FINDING THE LINKS TO HIM AND THE DEFENSE TEAM. We became concerned that the Bundy's did not know about this mans criminal actions that stole from even senior citizens who lost everything. Our concerns were met with defensive attacks back upon us, leading us in shock that the man who was known to have orchestrated the biggest ponzi scheme in Utah history was known to them and they did not see it as a concern. Shame on us for sharing huh?:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/the-cowboy-and-the-lady/honorable-men-unknowingly-led-to-do-dishonorable-things-ties-to-the-king-of-morm/1071070049629380




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Details Emerge that FBI ‘may have opened fire’ on Oregon Rancher

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The case of LaVoy Finicum, the rancher who was gunned down in Oregon earlier this year, may have disappeared from the main stream press, but you can be sure that it is still a hot topic in rural America where they see it as a clear cut case of murder by government authorities. The situation embarrassed local and federal authorities as farmers and ranchers continued their protest against government overreach and land theft, which was carried in national newspapers for weeks on end.

The end result was that Finicum, one of the leaders in the debacle, advised officials that he was going to the next town to meet with the sheriff there. County sheriffs have tremendous jurisdiction over the area that they oversee, and that would have been a problem for law enforcement and the FBI Hostage Rescue Team which was on site. Enroute to the meeting, Finicums truck was forced off the road into a snow bank, Finicum got out of the truck with hands raised, then tried to approach officers with his hands held wide, but was gunned down in cold blood there in the snow. There is both helicopter footage as well as a cell phone record of the incident, and it is causing some major concerns among law enforcement and the FBI.

FBI implicated in murder of Finicum, page 2:

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Cebu_4_2, do you have any idea when this was written? I can't find a date.

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Cebu_4_2, do you have any idea when this was written? I can't find a date.

Looking for a date I don't see a date but looks to be older. Just can't find the date of the article sorry.

[monty]

RangFire report on the first week of trial http://rangefire.us/2016/09/18/overreaction-overexaggeration-oregon-standoff-trial-week-1-recap/

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Overreaction & Overexaggeration: First Week in a Nutshell — Oregon Standoff Trial — Observations & Commentary — by Todd Macfarlane

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RECAP: Week One in a Nutshell
After spending a week observing the Oregon Standoff Trial, and producing short video clips summarizing what is happening, I’m not going to attempt to summarize or recap the first week of trial in a video clip. If you want to hear a partial recap of the week, prior to Friday’s testimony, check-out my video interview summary for Newsbud (https://www.periscope.tv/w/1OdKrYZDXWqxX). Or check out the video recap of the Motion for Mistrial (https://youtu.be/m8gb3rO9Q4Q). I’m ready for a break from video production, and by writing the recap, consistent with my pattern, I can then spend the next several days tweaking it, which just doesn’t work well with video clips.

I want to make something very clear right at the outset. Although I’m involved in some sort of media role here, I’m not a reporter. I’m not even pretending to be a reporter. As part of my assignment, I am reporting some stuff to provide context, etc., but mostly I am a commentator. My main assignment is to provide commentary. I’m not even pretending to be completely objective. I have a view point. Based on my experience and view points, I am seeking to provide another perspective. Based on my background, in addition to providing general commentary, from my unique perspective, I am also going to provide some legal commentary — for what it’s worth — at the end of this piece.

Based on the first week, if I had to summarize the Government’s case at this point in just two words, those words would be: Overreaction & Overexaggeration. And it’s the government’s evidence we’re talking about here. The government is presenting its case in chief. Some of the defendants have been accused of exaggeration, but we’re still weeks away from having a chance to see their evidence and hear what they have to say. This is the government’s case — the government’s evidence.
Case in Point: Judicial Security Theater

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Back when the Malheur Occupation first occurred, back in January, I coined a new phrase “Standoff Pageantry.” (http://rangefire.us/2016/01/13/the-oregon-standoff-in-a-nutshell-from-my-perspective-by-todd-macfarlane/) In a subsequent discussion I had with radio host Peter B. Collins, he compared it to his newly-minted phrase of “Security Theater,” and now, based on what is going on at the Standoff Trial in Portland, I’m going to coin yet another phrase combining the two: “Judicial Security Pageantry.” There’s a whole lot of drama, pageantry and theatre going on at the federal courthouse in

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Portland associated with the Oregon Standoff trial. Among other things, on one side, there are a handful of die-hard supporters, there with signs, protesting what is going on. On the other hand, the federal government, including DHS, is there in full force — just like the federal government was out in force in Burns, Oregon back in January and February.
Unfortunately, despite being there in court every day, covering the trial the entire week, I missed the single biggest piece of drama. While I was working on producing my little video clips summarizing the day’s events, late Thursday afternoon, a gentlemen by the name of Mathew Thomas Mglej, apparently a Portland native, approached the federal courthouse (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/09/man_toting_concealed_rifle_arr.html)and was taken down in grand fashion

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by an army of DHS police with guns drawn. Apparently, back in 2014 Mr. Mglej had previously been arrested and charged for playing a violin outside the courthouse while naked. He was charged with indecent exposure, but the charges were later dropped. On Thursday, the government claims he had an unloaded .22 rifle wrapped in a towel. His efforts resulted in major drama and corresponding Judicial Security Theatre in downtown Portland. Unfortunately, I missed it. It is hard to say what, if anything, any of this actually had to do with the Oregon Standoff Trial, but it helps reinforce an important point
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(This isn’t an actual image of the arrest on Thursday, but is similar to what happened, and is used to help emphasize the point)

Despite all it’s huff, and puff, and bluster, the federal government literally acts like its scared of its own shadow, and is highly prone to overreaction. Here it is, the biggest, most powerful temporal entity in existence — in the history of this planet, and naked violin players can send the federal government into full scale panic.

Back on August 31, 2016, RANGEFIRE! posted the first/last part of a series of articles about Realities in the West that nobody wants to talk about, called “Welcome to the New Normal — a Land of Labels, Distortions, Misinformation, and Guilt by Association (http://rangefire.us/2016/08/31/welcome-to-the-new-normal-a-land-of-labels-distortions-and-misinformation-realities-nobody-wants-to-talk-about/).” I wrote that piece clear back in May, to address, at least in part, what was going on with Stanton Gleave, and the feeding frenzy of misinformation surrounding him and his family. At this point, I’m going to add another word to the whole description, that should have been included from the outset: OVERREACTION.
In that piece, among other things, I said:

“The reality is this too was nothing more than misinformation. The completely unauthorized image was the unintentional product of a staged, media photo-op, intended solely to see what kind of reaction it would draw. It’s the sort of pomp and circumstance scenario that happens all the time in many situations. In previous pieces, such optics have been referred to as pageantry — in some cases Standoff Pageantry (http://rangefire.us/2016/01/13/the-oregon-standoff-in-a-nutshell-from-my-perspective-by-todd-macfarlane/). The problem is few people seem to be able to distinguish between what is real and what isn’t. . . . But distortions, fueled by social media, seem to be the order of the day on all sides. For good examples of distortions on the other side of the fence, consider the multiple articles Chris Zinda has written on this subject, and his treatment of the role of social media in the whole equation (http://rangefire.us/2016/08/27/another-side-social-spurred-and-doomed-sagebrush-standoffs/).


During the first week of trial, both Chad Karges(MNWR manager) and Jeff Rose (Burns BLM field office manager) testified that from the minute Ammon Bundy and Ryan Payne arrived in Harney County, federal offices, officials, and law enforcement were on high alert. In addition to receiving a continuous flow of “intel” from law enforcement, Karges and Rose were both actively monitoring social media. Both they and Sheriff David Ward all testified that they couldn’t put their finger on any actual threats, but they all said that just the mere thought or mention of “Bunkerville,” and some of the people who had been there, in Sheriff Ward’s words “scared the Hell out of him.” Likewise, both Karges, Rose and their supervisors decided to shut down the BLM office in advance, before the occupation ever occurred, based almost entirely on the fact that a protest rally was planned to support Dwight and http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Sorry-Closed-1-300x282.jpgSteven Hammond. At the same time, Rose testified that the occupation of the Malheur Refuge was a complete surprise. They thought if something was going to happen it would be at the BLM office in Hines, where the only thing that actually happened was the placement of signs saying “Closed Permanently.” Jason Curry, a special agent for the BLM testified, however, that the signs had been up for less than an hour on Saturday, January 9th, more than a week after all the decisions to close offices had been made, and a full week after the occupation started, but both he and Rose testified that the signs contributed to the decision to keep the office closed.

At this point, I’ll have to say that none of that testimony really surprised me much. I live in Millard County, Utah, the better part of 1000 miles away from Harney County, Oregon. There is a BLM field office in Fillmore, approximately 15 miles from where I live. I am good friends with one of the BLM managers who works there. Her husband is one of my best friends. This whole year her husband and I have just had to scratch our heads and laugh every time the BLM gets its panties in a wad, goes on high alert, and puts the field station on lock down. It has happened on multiple occasions since January 2016. Once, it happened when a “liberty convention” was scheduled to happen at the Old Statehouse in Fillmore. On another occasion, something as off-the-wall as Gavin Seim passing through the area, caused a major reaction at the office.. And just to add context to this whole discussion, Sagebrush alarmist Chris Zinda is likewise the husband of a BLM manager, Cedar City District Manager, Heather Whitman. Translation: conspiracy theories, unwarrented speculation, and the tendency to overreact abound among federal employees and the people they listen to.

Between what I heard Chad Karges, Jeff Rose and Sheriff Ward testify at trial, coupled with the kind of stuff Chris Zinda regularly comes up with, I can’t even imagine the kind of frenzy these people are capable of working themselves into. I can’t even imagine the kind of paranoia they must live with. And the funny thing is people accuse the so-called “patriots” of being paranoid and out-of-touch-with reality? At least the so-called patriots don’t have the full resources of the United States government at their disposal to spend in chasing these fears and expending on overreaction.

Back to the point I wrote back in May, which has become abundantly clear in just the first week of the Oregon Standoff Trial, and I’m going to repeat it at least three times in this article: “The problem is few people seem to be able to distinguish between what is real and what isn’t.” Here’s the deal, for the most part, what happens on Facebook, and social media isn’t real. The vast, vast majority of it simply has no connection to reality. It’s an alternate reality that doesn’t actually exist in reality. People say all kinds of nonsense, crap, and unadulterated bullshit on Facebook and social media all the time. It’s an absolute feeding frenzy of misinformation — from all sides, and in all directions. Some of us figured that out long ago.

Back to my point: The problem is few people seem to be able to distinguish between what is real and what isn’t. And the even bigger problem is overreaction to things that are not real, and overexaggeration in attempting to describe and justify the overreactions. Below is one of the videos that stoked government officials’ fears, and they overreacted to


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The Government’s Case
In the first week of trial, the government’s case actually started out pretty flat. The government promised shock and awe, but so far has not been able to deliver. The government said that it would present eye witness evidence that would make the refuge takeover look like a military operation in Iraq or Afghanistan. But what their witness testified did not live up to their billing. Likewise, much of their social media evidence came across as pretty benign, leaving a person scratching their head, thinking “is that the best you’ve got — so this is what this case is about?” Although some of the social media evidence may certainly be troubling, it certainly didn’t rise to the level of documenting a conspiracy to impede or interfere with federal officers doing their jobs. There is only one explanation for that response: overreaction.

All of the government decision-makers testified that they weren’t aware of any real threats. They just had feelings of fear and concern, based in large measure on their own monitoring of social media, coupled with information the FBI was feeding them to increase their concerns. So here’s number four: Part of the problem is few people seem to be able to distinguish between what is real and what isn’t.

Although the federal government is prosecuting the case, everything about its case so far depicts the federal government on the defensive. The government is extremely defensive about issues of jurisdiction and adverse possession — doesn’t even want to go there. The government doesn’t want to have to try to explain anything. And when it comes to the alleged threats, instead of sounding like confident leaders, who might consider actually engaging in some kind of proactive discussion, these government officials acted more like they were unreasonably afraid of their own shadows, taking most of their directions from the FBI, in order to set the stage for how they wanted to portray the narrative, and were prepared to shut down government offices down for no real good reason. Between the BLM, USFWS and federal law enforcement, including the FBI, it sounds like they were involved in a feeding frenzy of fear. And people want to accuse the defendants and others of tinfoil hat theories?
In conclusion, and just to highlight this point, Chad Karges testified that the so-called “restoration” work at MNWR headquarters is already complete and has been for some time, but the headquarters remains closed, and there is no plan to re-open until sometime in 2017. If you’re not asking WHY, you should be.


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Trial Performance
When a naked violin player (who wasn’t even naked at the time) can steal the show, you know there’s a problem.

In terms of legal commentary, right out of the chutes, with all due respect to the attorneys involved, I’m going to say this: Ryan Bundy is out-lawyering the lawyers — certainly the other defense lawyers.

Although, in my opinion, much of the government’s evidence is very marginal, and I continually have people asking me if some of the things they are presenting doesn’t actually support the defendants’ case better than the prosecution, but they are doing a very good, efficient job of presenting the evidence they have chosen to present — which is apparently the best they have. Their examination is crisp and seemingly very well-rehearsed, and they always seem to have objections on the tip of their tongues.

On the other side of the table, make no mistake, there were some really good opening statements. Matt Schindler, representing Ken Medenbach, and Lisa Maxfield, representing Neil Wampler, did a particularly good job. But in his opening statement Ryan Bundy also did a very effective job communicating his view of the case as well. And when it comes to objections, he is probably actually doing a better job than any of the defense attorneys. This should be both troubling and highly disconcerting to those attorneys. For a lay person, with no formal legal education, law training, and minimal experience, Ryan is holding his own fairly well, which, unfortunately, doesn’t say much about defense counsel in the case, and it is time for them to think about that.

I realize it is very easy for us to sit back and attempt to play armchair quarterbacks, but I agree with Mike Arnold that the assigned federal public defense attorneys seem very capable of making good arguments, but there’s a whole lot more to trying a case than making good arguments. They are arguably lacking when it comes to basic trial skills like cross examination and making objections. Arnold suggested that is probably due to the fact that they spend most of their time on plea deals, and making arguments at sentencing, instead of actually trying cases. And it shows. Although Lisa Maxfield has had some effective cross examination, for the most part, and I’m sorry, I know this is going to step on some toes, but they seem more like potted plants sitting there
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Forgive me for that analogy. It takes me back to the summer of 1987. In early July I was traveling cross country with my wife Heidi, from Utah, to Ithaca, New York, where I was on the waiting list at Cornell Law School. The Iran-Contra Hearings were going on that summer. Although it would drive Heidi crazy, as the over-eager soon-to-be law student, I was trying to listen to all of it as we drove. Then at night, I would catch as much news coverage as possible in our low-budget motel rooms.

But remember, this was almost 30 years ago. Media was different then than it is now. I don’t remember Marine Col. Oliver North’s attorney’s name, but I do remember him. He just sat there during most of the examination of Col. North, but all the sudden on one occasion, he blurted out an objection, and had something to say that seemed to catch everyone completely by surprise. Based on their reactions, he said “I’m not just a potted plant sitting here.” That phrase has stuck with me ever since, and seems to have some application here.

To be completely honest, and again with all due respect, following opening statements, most of the defense attorneys have seemed more like potted plants than actively engaged defense attorneys, zealously defending their clients’ interests. Their objections have been either non-existent or deplorable. When Ryan Bundy can make better objections than they do, it’s an issue. And Judge Brown has actually called them out about it — asking why they aren’t making more and better objections. Like Arnold also mentioned, it may be as much a result of lack of current practice as anything. They may all be very experienced federal criminal defense attorneys. They may all be very experienced at doing plea deals. But that doesn’t mean that they are experienced, practiced and well-honed trial attorneys. And it’s really starting to show. But if they get with the program, this one trial can give them more practice than dozens of small ones. And I get it. Some of them (especially those representing Jeff Banta, David Fry, Neil Wampler, and Ken Medenbach, for example) probably feel like it is the Bundy legal team’s responsibility to do most of the work, because their own clients seemingly have much less at stake in the whole thing. They view it as the “Bundy” trial, and their clients aren’t Bundys.

Otherwise, in a crowded courtroom well-decorated with potted plants, it might as well be a grand ballroom, with Judge Brown and the prosecution engaged as dance partners in an elaborate waltz, with Judge Brown leading, and the prosecution hustling to follow her cues, occasionally encountering the defendants and their attorneys, as they attempt to gracefully navigate the dance floor — with the jury just trying to make some kind of sense of what is going on.


And that brings us to the most important component or player in the whole equation: the Jury. I share concerns expressed by my colleague, Mancos MacLeod, when it comes to modern juries (http://rangefire.us/2016/09/02/welcome-to-the-neighborhood-of-sharp-knives-and-rogue-stallions-range-wars-legal-tales-by-mancos-macleod/). The jury hearing this case started out with 20 people, comprised of 12 regular jurors and eight alternates. One of the initial 12 was excused essentially right off the bat, and an alternate juror was drawn by lot to take that juror’s place. Of the jurors currently seated as the 12 who will decide the case, eight are women.


I don’t pretend to have the jury figured out at this point, but I will offer a few inside observations. One or more members of the jury seem/s to be hypersensitive, and has repeatedly complained to Judge Brown that members of the public seated in relatively close proximity are being too loud, interfering with their ability

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to concentrate. Consequently, Judge Brown has repeatedly chastised or admonished members of the public to be as quiet as possible, and to be careful about not just whispering, but coughing, clicking pens and rustling papers. This all came at times when I hadn’t noticed anything particularly out of the ordinary. There are approximately 20 members of the public in the courtroom, just trying to breathe and take notes, etc., without distracting the jury. All I can say, based on the writing that is already on the wall after the first week, is that this trial is going to get real long for some people.

At the close of the day on Friday, however, after the jury had been excused, after denying Ammon Bundy’s Motion for a Mistrial (https://youtu.be/m8gb3rO9Q4Q), Judge Brown stated that she had a lot of confidence in this jury, because, in her words, they are following her instructions very faithfully and carefully.


So that should provide some very clear insight into where this whole thing appears to be headed. Although the jury is supposed to be deciding the case, there is no question about who is in charge, and whose lead the jury may be following in lockstep.


If you want to criticize or argue with my analysis, all I ask is that you do it from a vantage point of first hand experience — go to court and see for yourself what is going on before attempting to poke holes in what I’m saying based on some attempted third or fourth-hand perspective or predisposition about what is going on.


I invite anyone who is interested to spend some time at the trial. It is an educational experience.


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[monty]

Todd Macfarlane's recap


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[monty]

A one hour video proving LaVoy Finicum was murdered


Don't see that this was posted, click the link for more pages...

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Details Emerge that FBI ‘may have opened fire’ on Oregon Rancher

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The case of LaVoy Finicum, the rancher who was gunned down in Oregon earlier this year, may have disappeared from the main stream press, but you can be sure that it is still a hot topic in rural America where they see it as a clear cut case of murder by government authorities. The situation embarrassed local and federal authorities as farmers and ranchers continued their protest against government overreach and land theft, which was carried in national newspapers for weeks on end.

The end result was that Finicum, one of the leaders in the debacle, advised officials that he was going to the next town to meet with the sheriff there. County sheriffs have tremendous jurisdiction over the area that they oversee, and that would have been a problem for law enforcement and the FBI Hostage Rescue Team which was on site. Enroute to the meeting, Finicums truck was forced off the road into a snow bank, Finicum got out of the truck with hands raised, then tried to approach officers with his hands held wide, but was gunned down in cold blood there in the snow. There is both helicopter footage as well as a cell phone record of the incident, and it is causing some major concerns among law enforcement and the FBI.

FBI implicated in murder of Finicum, page 2:

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[monty]

Bump. Video proving LaVoy Finicum assasanation

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A one hour video proving LaVoy Finicum was murdered






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https://youtu.be/4T4-21ji_ZA

That was well done and every one of those involved should be arrested and charged with murder.

[monty]

That was well done and every one of those involved should be arrested and charged with murder.

If they are not prosecuted for murder the FBI and police will be free to execute anyone, with no fear of repercussions, who speaks the truth or "spreads the virus" in the words of appointed Governor Kate Brown.

It is clear from this video, the goon squad intended to kill them all.

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This is another video by Casey Runyan that is a closer look at the shooting of Lavoy with the foam bullet.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSFGFyZWb3U

[monty]

Judge Anna Brown, Ourpost of Freedom by Gary Hunt

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Burns Chronicles No 28 – Public Trial – Mistrial? – What stinking Mistrial? (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1661)

September 19, 2016, 7:41 am
Burns Chronicles No 28
Public Trial
Mistrial? What stinking Mistrial?


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Judge Anna Brown
Gary Hunt
Outpost of Freedom
September 19, 2016

A rather interesting what, and from a lay standpoint unjust, occurrence, happened both in the paper chase (at this point, nearly 1300 docket entries) and in the courtroom. It had to do with the testimony of the government’s first witness, Harney County Sheriff David Ward. It was a Motion for Mistrial (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns-doc-1280-Ammon-Motion-for-Mistrial.pdf).

An interesting note on the Motion is that we obtained a copy shortly before it was “SEALED”. This led to the admonishment that is addressed below.

It all began on the 2nd day of the trial (Wednesday, September 14), during cross-examination by Ammon Bundy’s attorney, Marcus R. Mumford is questioning Sheriff Ward. Here are excerpts from the Motion, taken from the rough-draft transcript
Q. And you had conducted some investigation, into Bunkerville?
A. I had.
Q. And did that investigation come – that was in the process of those meetings that you had with the U.S. attorney, and the FBI?
A. I had – I had gone on to the Internet and googled it, it’s amazing what you can find on there.

I found videos from the things that happened at Bunkerville. I – I looked at a lot of different – lot of different things that happened, throughout that incident. And the thought that have happening in my community scared the hell out of me, where I saw armed people lined up on both sides, advancing, you know, with – with one side advancing against another.
I had learned some of unstable people who had left that situation, and killed two police officers, while they were eating lunch in a restaurant.
I think that there are – there are a lot of circumstances I was attempting to avoid in my community, sir.

Then, Mumford asked that some of Ward’s testimony be stricken:
MUMFORD: Your Honor, I would move to strike that.
THE COURT: Move to strike what, sir?
MUMFORD: The nonresponsive part of the –
THE COURT: I don’t know what you identify as nonresponsive.The answer seemed responsive to your question, so be specific.
MUMFORDM: Okay. Well – I think it was a yes-or-no question, your Honor.
THE COURT: Is there another objection?

Mumford, failing to make any progress, is simply abandoned by Judge Brown. However, Ryan Bundy, acting pro se (representing himself), jumps in, once the Judge recognizes that he, too, has an objection.

DEFENDANT RYAN BUNDY: Yes, my objection, your Honor, hearsay, there, it alludes to events that were not necessarily related to – to the situation.
THE COURT: The court reporter is not hearing you, Mr. Bundy, because of your microphone not being on.Would you –
DEFENDANT RYAN BUNDY: The mic is on.
THE COURT: Let’s try again. The court reporter wasn’t hearing, would you please restate your objection?
DEFENDANT RYAN BUNDY: Yes, hearsay. He’s tying in persons that were not involved it (pause, conferring.)
Prejudicial, I change that to prejudicial.About the folks supposedly killing people that were not associated with us.
THE COURT: Jurors, I’m going to ask you to disregard the witness’s references to events that occurred in Nevada that had to do with the police officers being killed, and whether they were or weren’t associated with Bunkerville.
The answer generally was responsive, in that it reflected the witness’s state of mind, but you’re not to consider that particular part of his answer in any part of your consideration of this evidence.

Now, the transcript is a “rough-draft transcript”, and we are told that there was an Order made by the Judge, referencing “Court’s Sealed Order 1141”. Then, she goes on to admonish Mumford for using quotes from the “rough-draft transcript” in his Motion..
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So, this brings up two rather interesting questions. First, let’s look at the docket, and its purpose. Each entry shows the date that the Clerk entered the document submitted for filing, or other “Minute Notes”. Then, each is given a sequential number. The purpose is for the record, so that all entries are preserved, hence nothing can “disappear.” However, since related documents can be filed many pages apart, it warrants that we go looking (on PACER, a government website that makes court information available) for docket entry #1141:

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The image is a capture from the pdf of the docket, with the bottom of page 94 and the top of page 95.

Well, shoot. It ain’t there! How can that be an Order, when it doesn’t appear on the Docket? Was #1141 really an Order, or was something else removed so that reference could be made to a non-existent Order?

Regarding the second question this raises, the gag order set by the Judge, early on, pretty much prohibits the attorneys from providing certain information. But, as can be seen by other “sealed” entry, there is a notation that it is sealed, it has a number, and a brief description of what the document pertains to.Now, if this is a “Public Trial”, why is this information not available to the Public? Is there something that the Court is trying to hide? Even worse, if an attorney wants to object to testimony, as addressed in this article, and he cannot use the “rough-draft transcript”, how is he to address the particulars of the matter he is addressing? He cannot demonstrate what his concern is — UNLESS he can quote from the record, rough to not, to express his concern. It makes one wonder what would have happened if the government had quoted from the “rough-draft transcript”.

This warranted further investigation. First is a capture of the docket on February 19, 2016. Then, a capture on September 16, both of the first few entries on the docket.
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February 19, 2016 – docket capture

Golly! Entries 16 through 22 have gone missing! Now, I can’t say that there has not been a rule adopted that allows manipulation of the docket, however, if there is, it defies the concept of a record keeping method that did exist to prove that justice had been done. So, we are left to suppose that the Judge would not pull any shenanigans to try and deceive the Public. We should have serious concerns over that possibility.

We can’t stop here; we have to look at what Sheriff Ward said, and was left with a degree of credibility with the Jury. Now, Ward should be well schooled in testifying, and I’m sure that the US attorneys and the FBI are well schooled in testifying. They should all know what is not allowed, however, as Mumford said in the “Motion for Mistrial”.

Once such statements are made, the damage is hard to undo: “one cannot unring a bell”; “after the thrust of the saber it is difficult to say forget the wound”; and finally, “if you throw a skunk into the jury box, you can’t instruct the jury not to smell it.”

Now, surely, the jury will give a high degree of regard for testimony from a government employee. Given what we have, that odor in the Jury Box may not go away during the course of the trial.

Now, let’s visit what was so damaging, and absolutely false, concerning what Ward said. He created fear by associating the Millers with the Bundy Affair when he said, “I had learned of some unstable people who had left that situation, and killed two police officers.” Well, surely, he spent a lot of time with the FBI and the US Attorneys. Was he stupid enough to believe Google and not confirm with the authorities that knew more than most about what happened back in April 2014?As far as sources for such information, Ward would probably contact law enforcement in Las Vegas, as a more reliable source. Well, here is what the Las Vegas Review Journal said in their June 15, 2014 edition (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns-Miller-decided-to-start-their-own-war_Las_Vegas_Review-Journal.pdf) (page 2):
“We can’t find anything linking these two guys to anybody,” said a law enforcement officialwith knowledge of the ongoing investigation. “If they were a part of a group, they hid it well.”

During the day just after the Millers shooting the two cops, I contacted a number of people at the Ranch to find out what role, if any, the Miller’s played (Vetting the Millers (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=846)). I found that they did spend some time in the public area, but were never allowed at the ranch. They were deemed aggressive and unsuitable to participate in protecting the ranch. The were sent to Mesquite where Stewart Rhodes gave them “a couple hundred dollars” so that they could get a motel room, shower, and some new clothes, because they claimed that, they had given up jobs, their home, and were wearing the only clothes they possessed.

Now, there is no reason that Ward would not have some, if not all, or, more than likely, even more information about the Millers. So, his intention in laying that information out to the jury was not only a violation of what he should have known and been informed of by the FBI/AUSA, it was also a falsehood (aka a damned lie).

Now, we know from previous pronouncements from Judge Brown that she was not going to let the trial be delayed. And, in this instance, Queen Judge Anna Brown has determined that she can do no wrong, and her insistence on keeping her schedule supersedes the assurance of justice in the outcome of the trial.

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[monty]

DOCUMENT DUMP: It's all about minerals


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[monty]

Ryan Bundy files motion for mistrial.

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[monty]

Memoandum supporting motion for mistrial.

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[monty]

Order to be signed by Judge Brown.



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[monty]

Range Fire/Range Magazine has added all of Todd Macfarlane's videos. It looks like the previous page, but as you scroll down you see the most recent videos. It is being updated daily..

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/13/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-live-coverage-commentary/

ONGOING: OREGON STANDOFF TRIAL — COVERAGE & COMMENTARYSeptember 13, 2016 - Government/Politics (http://rangefire.us/category/politics/), Oregon Standoff (http://rangefire.us/category/oregon-standoff/), Public Lands (http://rangefire.us/category/public-lands/), Todd Macfarlane (http://rangefire.us/category/todd-macfarlane/) - Tagged: Bundy (http://rangefire.us/tag/bundy/), federal government (http://rangefire.us/tag/federal-government/), Malheur (http://rangefire.us/tag/malheur/), Oregon Standoff (http://rangefire.us/tag/oregon-standoff/), Range (http://rangefire.us/tag/range/), RANGEfire (http://rangefire.us/tag/rangefire/), trial (http://rangefire.us/tag/trial/) - 12 comments (http://rangefire.us/2016/09/13/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-live-coverage-commentary/#comments)


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Working in combination with a consortium of alternative media outlets, including Newsbud/BFP (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/), RANGE (http://rangemagazine.com/) magazine, Free Range Report (http://freerangereport.com/), Oregon Standoff News (https://paper.li/strangecorn/1454424295), Rural Route Radio (http://ruralrouteradio.com/), Loos Tales (http://www.loostales.com/), etc., RANGEFIRE! will be providing live coverage, deeper background commentary, and short video updates regarding the OREGON STANDOFF TRIAL.
Note: We will be adding video clips on an ongoing basis, so scroll down to find new clips

[monty]

Report on Sept. 19 proceedings from Redoubt News

http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/19/prosecution-shenanigans-malheur-trial/

Prosecution Shenanigans in Malheur Protest Trial

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Prosecution Shenanigans in Malheur Protest Trial

By Shari Dovale

Court was back in session today for the Malheur Protest Trial in Portland. The government continued attempting to discredit the defendants, but was struggling throughout the day.

The prosecution put up a couple of refuge employees to tell how bad it was during and after the protest. The first was Linda Beck, a micro-biologist, that talked about how her normally messy office was very messy when she returned. Mr. Mumford, Ammon Bundy’s attorney, did get her to admit that the FBI could have made the mess in her office.

She discussed her plan to ‘control’ the carp population in the lake, but the defense forced her to admit how she would prefer to eradicate all the carp. The defense also made the point that the carp were not scheduled to be ‘controlled’ until April. This was not well received by the prosecution. It was about this time that Judge Anna Brown shut down the discussion of the carp issue.

The defense attempted to ask Beck if she had ever taken direction from anyone at the Bureau of Land Management, but the judge did not allow those questions. However, she did not lose any work during the 41 days, so it was not a big loss to her.

The next refuge employee to testify was Carla Burnside, an archaeologist and I.T. Support. The most important part of her testimony included discussing her ‘unwritten’ agreement with the Paiute Tribe (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/01/23/paiutes-not-really-worried-about-artifacts-at-refuge/) to keep all of the artifacts locked inside a rat-infested basement for decades. She said the Paiute tribe wanted them stored this way, so that is what the refuge did.

She did admit to having a complete box of documents on the Hammond case, which was the catalyst for the Malheur Protest. Directed by Chad Karges, refuge manager, Burnside collected everything she could about their case and developed a chronology of events for him.
Burnside also admitted to not losing work or pay due to Ammon and friends being at the refuge during the first part of this year.
The prosecution then moved on to a witness they hoped would seal Ryan Bundy’s fate on the theft of cameras. Nicholas Bleuler is a 23 year old with 3 violent felonies to date. He was on probation last January when he decided to go to the refuge and show his support. He testified that he cleared each visit with his probation officer, and it was okay with him.

During his last visit to the refuge, he was with Ryan and others when the cameras were removed from the utility poles outside the refuge. Bleuler incriminated himself in a felony theft, yet Judge Brown allowed him to do this without every questioning him about his 5th amendment. She never protected him inside her courtroom.

The defense asked Bleuler if he had cut a deal with the prosecution for his testimony, and the witness said no. When asked if he could still get charged with this crime he claimed it was “still up in the air.” So, whether the prosecution made a deal with this young man and did not report it to the court as they would be required to do, or they totally ignored the Constitution in Federal Court.

The way Judge Brown has run this trial, I would have to guess that she does not lose any sleep over her abuse of the same document she swore an Oath to uphold.

It is expected that the government will rest it’s case this week and the defense will begin. Next week, the Reverend Franklin Graham (https://www.samaritanspurse.org/what-we-do/franklin-graham/) is expected to testify for the defense (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/02/26/constitutional-sheriff-crucial-election/).

But, this week, the dog and pony show continues.

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[monty]

Proof "adverse possession" part of Ammon Bundy's plan

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http://www.truthandaction.org/constitutional-lawyer-oregon/

Constitutional Lawyer: Oregon Standoff Isn’t About Ranchers, The Feds CANNOT Own Land Outside DC

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The Federal government has been seeking to expand it’s power for years, and President Obama has insisted that because he was a professor of Constitutional law he somehow is more equipped and capable to teach us how this country should run and why we must obey whatever he says.

He therefore jammed Obamacare through Congress with not one Republican supporter, and then somehow conned the Supreme Court into affirming that U.S. citizens MUST purchase insurance or be fined. This is typical of the lawless Obama administration, and we have truly become a banana republic, though that is not how the Constitution is written.

See the excellent video on page 2 regarding Constitutional limitations that are being violated.

The Federal governments seems to think that the citizens only own property leave of the government, and in essence that is true.

If a person buys a piece of property and pays property taxes on it, that is a form of rent paid to the government, and the government can seize that property and push the rightful owner off of that land if the taxes are not paid. How then does someone own a piece of property if the government can demand rent and evict if that rent or tax is not paid? It is stunning when seen this in the broad context, and true students of the Consititution will recognize the con that we have all bought in to.

The latest land and power battle is over father and son ranchers in Oregon (http://www.truthandaction.org/oath-keeper-government-committed-treason-oregon-documents-prove/) by the name of Hammond went to jail on an arson charge. In 2002 and 2006, these ranchers decided to clear some brush and overgrowth on their ranch land by conducting a controlled burn, a very common activity in large areas such as their ranch in Oregon. The fire accidentally spread onto federal lands but was put out by the ranchers without any help from the feds. However, the Federal government still charged the ranchers with arson and are determined to jail them for 5 years each. Incidentally, the Federal land is flourishing, is now less of a wild fire hazard, and no properties were damaged in the incident.

The Constitutional attorney in the following video cites the Hammond case, but then goes on to instruct us on why it is only a small part of the huge overreach of the Federal government, as shown by the Constitutional limitations that the Federal government has been ignoring.

Watch video, page 2:
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[monty]

He therefore jammed Obamacare through Congress with not one Republican supporter, and then somehow conned the Supreme Court into affirming that U.S. citizens MUST purchase insurance or be fined. This is typical of the lawless Obama administration, and we have truly become a banana republic, though that is not how the Constitution

U. S. citizens must purchase Obamacare. Everyone else must sign a Form W-4 (perjuring themselves) in order to purchase Obamacare.

[monty]

Range Fire/Range Magazine has added all of Todd Macfarlane's videos. It looks like the previous page, but as you scroll down you see the most recent videos. It is being updated daily..

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ONGOING: OREGON STANDOFF TRIAL — COVERAGE & COMMENTARY

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more from Todd Macfarlane on September 19 proceedings. I couldn't get all the page to load this morning because of all the videos they have posted so I was unable to post this commentary.

DAY 5 — Monday, September 19, 2016.

Note: Since we don’t have unlimited resources, RANGEFIRE editor, Todd Macfarlane, will not be able to report live from Portland during the entire trial. Based on other contacts and connections in Portland, however, we will be providing both written and video updates, even when Macfarlane is not on the ground at the trial. These reports will be based on second hand information, but will hopefully help interested parties follow developments in the case as it progresses.

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Today, the government’s first witness was Linda Beck, a MNWR fish biologist, whose office Ammon Bundy used during the occupation. She testifiied about her duties at the refuge, and the government’s efforts to remove invasive carp fish from the shallow lakes. During both the government’s opening statement, and during Beck’s direct examination, it was stated that the Refuge had planned to bring in a commercial fishing enterprise during the month of January, to help remove the carp.

This representation certainly raised eyebrows because the water would have been frozen, and it was difficult to understand how a commercial fishing effort would work under those conditions. On cross examination, however, Beck admitted that the commercial fishing effort was actually planned and scheduled for April.

Beck also testified that despite the fact that she had not been at the refugre during the month of January, she continued to work and do her job, and was paid, just like all the other refuge employees were. She said that when she returned to the refuge her office was a big mess, and looked like it had been trashed, but on cross examination she admitted that she didn’t know who had made the mess, and couldn’t say that it might not have been the FBI that made the mess.

One of the most important points of Beck’s testimony came when she was shown a photo of a whiteboard in her office. When the image of the Whiteboard was blown-up to see what it said, at the top of the board were the words “Adverse Possesion,” with elements listed under that heading. Beck testified that neither she, nor any other refuge employees had written these things on the whiteboard.

Carla Burnside, the Refuge archeologist testified that the refuge headquarters had actually been built on top of an archeological site — back before it was unlawful to do that. She acknowledged that there are thousands of artificats housed in a basement on the Refuge, that have never been displayed, and there is no current plan to display them.

Videos were shown of messages Ammon Bundy allegedly posted on social media, along with Blaine Cooper, Jon Ritzheimer and Jason Patrick. In Ritzheimer’s video, he says “we will never fire unless fired upon.” In Ammon Bundy’s video, after telling reporters that he had been in Harney County for two months working to try to do something to help Dwight and Steven Hammond, Ammon says “We feel we have exhausted all prudent measures and have been ignored.”

Twenty-three year-old Nick Bleuler testified that when he arrived at the refuge on January 2nd, the day the occupation began, he encountered men with rifles. Bleuler said that he didn’t have a firearm, but went to the refuge to support the Hammonds, and to protest land grabs. He testified that he helped take down the FBI cameras installed at the Refuge, near the headquarters, which among other things, recorded all license plates coming and going at the refuge.

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[monty]

A one hour video proving LaVoy Finicum was murdered




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Details continue to emerge the FBI may have fired on LaVoy Finicum

http://endingthefed.com/details-emerge-that-fbi-may-have-opened-fire-on-oregon-rancher.html

Details Emerge that FBI ‘may have opened fire’ on Oregon Rancher

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The case of LaVoy Finicum, the rancher who was gunned down in Oregon earlier this year, may have disappeared from the main stream press, but you can be sure that it is still a hot topic in rural America where they see it as a clear cut case of murder by government authorities. The situation embarrassed local and federal authorities as farmers and ranchers continued their protest against government overreach and land theft, which was carried in national newspapers for weeks on end.

The end result was that Finicum, one of the leaders in the debacle, advised officials that he was going to the next town to meet with the sheriff there. County sheriffs have tremendous jurisdiction over the area that they oversee, and that would have been a problem for law enforcement and the FBI Hostage Rescue Team which was on site.

Enroute to the meeting, Finicums truck was forced off the road into a snow bank, Finicum got out of the truck with hands raised, then tried to approach officers with his hands held wide, but was gunned down in cold blood there in the snow. There is both helicopter footage as well as a cell phone record of the incident, and it is causing some major concerns among law enforcement and the FBI.

It is clear from the helicopter footage that Finicums murder was a set up, with the objective of stopping the rancher’s protest in its tracks. The FBI would like to lay the responsibility of the shooting on the out of control local police, but there is new evidence pointing the the FBI and their crack marksmen.

New details have emerged that an agent with the FBI’s elite Hostage Rescue Team may have opened fire on Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, one of the central players in an anti-government standoff in Oregon, after Finicum’s truck crashed near a police roadblock.

Several members of the FBI unit were present Jan. 26 when authorities attempted to stop two vehicles carrying leaders of the standoff away from their stronghold at a remote federal wildlife refuge. During the encounter, two Oregon state troopers shot and killed Finicum; eight other people were arrested.

Last week, Deschutes County Sheriff Shane Nelson, who is overseeing the investigation, said he had concluded that “FBI HRT operators fired two shots as Mr. Finicum exited the truck, and one shot hit the truck.” Nelson accused the agents of failing to “disclose their shots to our investigators.”

The five FBI agents have denied firing assault rifles during the incident. But in a recently released interview, an Oregon State Police officer told investigators that he spotted two copper-colored rifle casings near the spot where the FBI agents were standing. The Hostage Rescue Team has used copper- *colored casings, former agents said; the Oregon state police use only silver-colored casings. The copper casings were never recovered.

Meanwhile, the Portland Oregonian reported Tuesday that FBI surveillance video taken after the shooting shows the agents searching the area with flashlights and huddling. One of them then bends over twice and appears to be picking up something.

On Wednesday, a law enforcement official confirmed the video account. If allegations of a coverup are determined to be true, the incident would be hugely embarrassing to the FBI and deal a devastating blow to the FBI team’s reputation.The Hostage Rescue Team is a highly trained unit that was formed after the massacre at the Munich Olympics in 1972. Many operators were once in the U.S. military and served in the Joint Special Operations Command.

Little is known about the operators involved in the Oregon standoff. An Oregon state trooper told investigators he wasn’t sure whether they used their real names. An investigator described them as “pretty mysterious.”

The FBI declined to comment Wednesday because of the ongoing investigation. Earlier this month, FBI Portland Special Agent in Charge Gregory T. Bretzing said, “The question of who fired these shots has not been resolved.”

The Office of the Inspector General for the Department of Justice is investigating the incident. The new information provides circumstantial evidence of possible misconduct, officials said, but is not conclusive.

It was not clear Wednesday whether the inspector general had interviewed the operators involved in the Oregon shooting. The agents continue to work, but they cannot be deployed in situations that might require them to use their weapons.


The American people generally accept that the FBI is a federal department that operates with integrity and honesty. The case of LaVoy Finicum raises real questions about the agency and its ability to operate as a national para-military organization without much oversight. Particularly in rural America people are starting to question why the federal government thousands of miles away in Washington D.C. needs to exercise so much control and to commandeer and restrict so much land in the West.

The death of LaVoy Finicum (http://www.truthandaction.org/new-cell-phone-footage-killing-lavoy-finicum-contradicts-official-story/) is being seen as a de facto execution designed to put the protesters in their place and to serve as an excuse to round up and incarcerate many of the ranchers. To date there are at least 20 ranchers who have been jailed and who are being held indefinitely under sweeping and spurious charges that could represent decades in jail. There is, perhaps, a very good reason that the government and the Democrat party is so anxious to implement severe gun control measures. It is a precursor to gun confiscation, because a weapon is the great equalizer when government oversteps its bounds and authority. That it may come to that is uncertain, but the murder of LaVoy Finicum shows that the federal government is deadly serious in its desire to unrest of the American people. And with the execution of Finicum the federal government very well could have just lit the fuse to greater and more widespread uprisings.

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From RangeFire, "Another Side -- 'Malheur Misfits' Will Get Justice? -- According to the Pittsburg Post-Gazette"

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Another Side — “Malheur Misfits” Will Get Justice? — According to the Pittsburg Post-Gazette

According to the editorial board of the Pittsburg Post-Gazzette (http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2016/09/16/The-Malheur-misfits-The-anti-government-group-will-get-justice/stories/201609300042), The “Malheur Misfits” — an anti-government group — will get justice


Note: We’ve said it over and over again, here at RANGEFIRE! we have no interest in being a single-dimensional echo chamber. We acknowledge that there are always multiple sides to every story. In the West, there is an old saying to the effect that: “good fences make good neighbors.” At RANGEfire! we acknowledge our virtual neighbors on this virtual landscape. We think it is important for people to have an opportunity to hear all sides of the story, and know what others are saying about these issues. So we often share what others are saying.


http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/PP-G-1.jpgWHAT OTHERS (PP-G) ARE SAYING (http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2016/09/16/The-Malheur-misfits-The-anti-government-group-will-get-justice/stories/201609300042)


According to the PP-G Editorial Board, (http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2016/09/16/The-Malheur-misfits-The-anti-government-group-will-get-justice/stories/201609300042) “for 41 days earlier this year, Ammon Bundy and a group of armed ranchers occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. The occupiers, who brandished weapons and threatened federal officers, also made it clear that they didn’t recognize the government’s authority to own or even manage public land. They recognize no law above themselves.


When the occupiers were finally arrested Jan. 26 on a road in the refuge, not all of them surrendered peacefully. One of their members, Robert LaVoy Finicum, was shot and killed by an officer who thought he was reaching for a gun. Finicum actually believed the violent rhetoric that his cohorts gave lip service to when they weren’t surrounded and outgunned and paid for it with his life. He died while his friends turned themselves in without a fight.


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Now that the trial of Ammon Bundy, his brother Ryan and five others has begun, their excuses for armed defiance of the government sound even hollower. In opening arguments this week, a defense lawyer insisted that Mr. Bundy never threatened anyone and that the charge of conspiracy to impede federal officers through threat and intimidation was unjust. If this is the best defense the occupiers can muster, then things will not go well for the hapless rebels as they try to explain how the guns and ammo they opened displayed and pointed in their direction weren’t intended to intimidate.


Still, it is to the credit of the American justice system that the occupiers, who claim to be beyond the government’s jurisdiction, are entitled to a vigorous defense. Their arguments, no matter how absurd, will be heard. Because we live under a system of laws and not posses operating in the Wild West, judgment will be rendered accordingly.


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Thom Davis and Rene Powers post on the felon who testified for the prosecution


BLEULER? BLEULER? FED PROSECUTORS CALL ON COMPROMISED WITNESS FOR THEIR TRUTH TO BE SPOKEN?


THE COWBOY AND THE LADY (https://www.facebook.com/ThomRene2016/)·TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2016 (https://www.facebook.com/notes/the-cowboy-and-the-lady/bleuler-bleuler-fed-prosecutors-call-on-compromised-witness-for-their-truth-to-b/1149313101805074)




On September 19, 2016, Nick Bleuler, witness for the Federal Prosecutors in the US vs. BUNDY et al, gave testimony against the Constitutional Posse led by Ammon Bundy. We have some questions about the credibility of this man and the relationship of his testimony to possible deals with the prosecution? Bleuler is another in the long list of felons who wound up in the inner circle of the Refuge Stand Up.

Bleuler testified regarding the removal of the spy cameras that were found upon telephone poles in the Refuge area. Blueler testified following what we opine is confused testimony of fish biologist Linda Beck, refuge employee. We want to speak briefly to the crazy testimony of Beck.

Beck testified to an event she said was to have been held at the refuge, a BIG fishing event in January, an event that was interrupted by the occupation of the Refuge. Hello? January? The water was frozen folks? Beck later was corrected by Ammon Bundy’s attorney, Mumford, that the event was actually scheduled for April, not January. Beck also testified her desk was a total mess when she returned and that the refuge was trashed by the Occupiers, but we evidence shows the day Lavoy Finicum was assassinated, January 26, the men left the Refuge buildings in orderly condition. Mumford had a befuddled Beck admit that the FBI could have been the ones who trashed the Refuge, she was just speculating.

What we see is a continued prosecution case of fabricated and coached testimony. The Cowboy was given information that the witnesses for the prosecution were actually being coached by the prosecutors with what to say as they were testifying. It was said that the leading was done through possible hand signals and facial expressions as well.

Bleuler and Becks testimony is in this story by the Oregonian by Maxine Bernstein: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-st... (http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oregonlive.com%2Foregon-standoff%2F2016%2F09%2Fmalheur_national_wildlife_r efu_1.html&h=EAQH6MG2j&s=1)
...FBI License Plate Reader Cameras Removed Before the day ended, prosecutors called 23-year-old Nick Bleuler to the stand. The Harney County resident said he drove to the refuge the night of Jan. 2 in his fiancé's 2008 Ford Crown Victoria. When they pulled up to the front gate, about 10 to 15 men with guns pointed the barrels of their firearms at the car."They took a strong posture because they thought we were FBI or law enforcement,'' he testified. He drove home, but returned two more times to do guard duty in the watchtower. On Jan. 15, he also helped Ryan Bundy, Finicum and others remove FBI cameras from two utility poles – one on Highway 205 about 25 miles north of the refuge, and another on the eastern edge of the refuge.A video of the occupiers removing the cameras showed one man holding a ladder. "That be me,'' Bleuler told jurors.While Finicum is captured on the video saying he'll give the cameras back to the FBI if they come to their next press conference, Ryan Bundy is audible in the background saying, "I'm not sure we'll give it to them. You might.''Blueler, a three-time felon on probation for child endangerment, said his friend was arrested on Jan. 25 for theft of the cameras. He wasn't, because he "hid,'' but did end up talking to FBI agents later. Asked if he received any promises from federal officials for his testimony, Blueler said he did not, but defense lawyers noted he was put up at a hotel for three nights to enable his appearance in court. Blueler said he didn't have a firearm at the refuge, but went in support of the Harney County ranchers, and to protest "land grabs.''At one point during cross-examination, Ammon Bundy's lawyer Marcus Mumford asked Blueler why he was smiling or laughing,'' and Blueler replied, "Because you're pissing me off.''Mumford continued his questions. Blueler responded mostly with one-syllable answers, and looked down at his lap when he spoke, barely making eye contact with those questioning him."I appreciate it Nick,'' Ryan Bundy told him, completing his cross-examination. "Thank you for coming.''

We did not have to look far for information of Bleulers arrests and bad choices or behavior. Why is it that those who were saying they were “vetting” so many around the refuge allowed this young man to do guard duty and participate? That strange question that keeps coming back time and time again, “Why did the Bundy’s allow so many questionable characters inside their circle?” Was it that those who were vetting were not actually vetting to help them? One has to ask.

REMOVAL OF CAMERA FOOTAGE:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9... (https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv% 3Dkg9asxCWbhw&h=JAQGagUJA&s=1)

A quick search of Bleuler found he has had his own demons to battle in his life, not just testifying for the prosecution, but also in defense of himself for local problems and scrapes he himself has had with the law, as mentioned in testimony regarding his past. We find it interesting that he was not arrested because he hid, yet now sits on the stand testifying? Bleuler was arrested in October, November AND December 2015 leading up to the occupation, but not since? It would be commonsense to draw the conclusion that he has not been charged or arrested himself in exchange for his testimony, both the prosecution and Bleuler deny those claims.

Here is a sampling of what we know, this is not all that he has, but all we care to dig for as this would seem enough to have been a red flag to have him participate in the Refuge event:


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Blueler spoke in a court proceeding on behalf of his experience in a treatment program in Harney. In The County Court of the State of Oregon for Harney County Minutes of the County Court April 23, 2014 http://www.co.harney.or.us/PDF_File... (http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.co.harney.or.us%2FPDF_Fil es%2FCounty%2520Court%2FMinutes%2F2014%2FCounty%25 20Court%2520April%252023%25202014.pdf&h=eAQFI4NEh&s=1)

October 15, 2015 https://jailalert.com/arrest-record... (https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjailalert.com%2Farrest-records%2Fnickolas-bleuler-4212217.html&h=FAQGUHLZs&s=1) Nickolas Bleuler

Arrest record information Arrest Date [1] (https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjailalert.com%2Farrest-records%2Fnickolas-bleuler-4212217.html%23footnote1&h=vAQErgKVf&s=1):10/15/2015 (https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjailalert.com%2Farrest-records%2Foregon%2Fharney-county-sheriffs-office%2F2015-10%2F&h=nAQFSmSXd&s=1)Agency:Harney County Sheriff's Office (https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjailalert.com%2Finstitutions %2Foregon%2Fharney-county-sheriffs-office%2F&h=xAQGfau07&s=1)State: Oregon (https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjailalert.com%2Farrest-records%2Foregon%2F&h=3AQFRHZky&s=1)County:Harney County (https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjailalert.com%2Farrest-records%2Foregon%2Fcounty%2Fharney-county%2F&h=fAQEBM3BJ&s=1)Record Date [2] (https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjailalert.com%2Farrest-records%2Fnickolas-bleuler-4212217.html%23footnote2&h=zAQHaHgYx&s=1):Oct. 18, 2015, 4:05 p.m.

UTCTracking number:4212217 Share this record: Request Full Record (https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjailalert.com%2Finstitutions %2Foregon%2Fharney-county-sheriffs-office%2F%3Frequest_info%3Dtrue&h=PAQG5RTBh&s=1)Person information First Name NICKOLAS Last Name BLEULER Gender Male Age at Arrest 22 Year of Birth1993

Arrest Record Overview for Nickolas Dean Bleuler APRIL 14, 2014
First Name: NICKOLAS
Last Name: BLEULER
Middle Name: DEAN
Gender: Male
Race: White
Arrest Date: 2016-04-14 12:00:00
State: Oregon
County: Harney
Eye Color: Blue
Hair Color: Brown
Weight: 140
Height: 507

ARRESTED NOVEMBER 16, 2015
http://www.policearrests.com/arrests/nickolas_dean_bleuler_id_30088767.html (http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.policearrests.com%2Farres ts%2Fnickolas_dean_bleuler_id_30088767.html&h=gAQGiioC_&s=1)
Nickolas Dean Bleuler was arrested on November 16, 2015 in Harney, Oregon on charges of RESTRA ORD. He is 507 tall, with brown hair, blue eyes and weighs 140 pounds. Per the United States judicial system, Bleuler is presumed innocent until proven guilty. More information on this arrest may be obtained from local police at Harney County Law Enforcement (http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.policearrests.com%2Fdepar tments%2FOR%2FHarney&h=GAQFXc_rE&s=1). HE WAS ARRESTED FOR VIOLATING A RESTRAINING ORDER

ARRESTED DECEMBER 2, 2015 First Name: NICKOLAS
Last Name: BLEULER
Middle Name: DEAN
Gender: Male
Race: White
Arrest Date: 2015-12-02 12:00:00
State: Oregon
County: Harney
Eye Color: Blue
Hair Color: Brown
Weight: 140
Height: 507

Arrest Record Overview for Nickolas Dean Bleuler May 26, 2015
First Name: NICKOLAS
Last Name: BLEULER
Middle Name: DEAN
Gender: Male
Race: White
Arrest Date: 2015-05-26 12:00:00
Eye Color: Blue
Hair Color: Brown
Weight: 140
Height: 507
Total Bond: $25,000
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*on a note: When Bleuler was arrested for strangulation he was also in possession of heroin.


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Removal of cameras, holding the ladder for them to be removed


Well folks, another day, another felon to add to the list.

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Defendant Jeff Banta was able to speak with Ryan and Ammon Bundy today:

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Today I got the chance to converse with Ryan and Ammon, for the first time we were able to say sentences. which is more than the usual " morning", which I found out early on while talking to David Fry, was about all the marshals were going to allow. So it was very nice. Ryan told me he's doing pretty good and that it had gotten a little better in the last couple weeks. He explained he was focused on getting close to the Lord, and I expressed that I was working at doing the same. Ryan is doing a very good job defending himself, all the while showing great respect for every witness he cross exams. He is only being himself and I'm sure the jury can see what a descent man he truly is.

I told him that I had saw a video on Facebook of his mom talking to his dad, and explained that it sounded to me that Cliven was holding up well. To this he agreed, but said his brother Davey was currently having a tough time with his situation. So I ask on Ryan's behalf that all of us do what we can to reach out to Davey ,and show him our support anyway we can, wether it be a simple letter or even financial support to his family.

Really all the Bundy families need support, so I sincerely hope you do what you can. I believe whatever charity we give we get back at our own time of need.

Next I spoke to Ammon, he was sitting with scriptures opened in front of him so I hated to interrupt, but I did disturb him briefly. As always like the videos we all have seen , he was soft spoken and kind. Our conversation was short. Just so everyone knows, this was only the second time I have ever spoken to both these men in my life. I met each of them the day before La Voy was murdered. And our conversation was very short. I am extremely proud to be in the same company with these two men.

David Fry sits directly in front of me and we converse often even though he is routinely reprimanded for it, but we manage to do it anyway. David seems to be dealing pretty well . Often asking me to have a good lunch for them. Like Ammon and Ryan, David also is respected highly.

[monty]

Malheur Protest trial Day 6 reported by Rangfire,

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/13/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-live-coverage-commentary/

DAY 6 — Tueday, September 20, 2016
The Goverment is moving through its case fairly quickly, and has indicated that it will probably rest its case about next Monday or Tuesday, which means that the government will have put on its entire case in less than two weeks. Exactly what does that mean? More important than quantity is the quality of the government’s evidence. One of the reasons we are summarizing the evidence is so that you can judge for yourself whether the Government has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a conspiracy to impede and interfere with federal officers, and exactly who was a part of that conspiracy.
Today the Government presented evidence through Harney County Deputy, Lucas McLain, FBI Special Agent Ben Jones, FBI surveillance pilot Jeffrey Cleveland, and four MNWR employees, including Ryan Curtis, Jesse Wenick, Shane Theall and Edward Moulton.

The employees testified about their absence from the refuge during January and early February, based on instructions from their supervisors, and the condition they found the premises in when they returned. They testified that they found things “messy and rummaged through,” and about government vehicles and equipment that had been used by the Defendants. Once again, social media evidence, including Facebook and YouTube images and videos were used to document such usage, and the parties involved.

Deputy McLain testified about transporting the defendants, including Ammon Bundy, shortly after their initial arrest, before handing them off to the FBI for transportation to Portland. He said that he discovered Ammon had been talking on his cell phone.

Part of my role in this whole alternative media coverage equation is to provide commentary, so I’m going to provide more of that in this segment. Like I have mentioned in some of the longer pieces I have written about the trial, I have people ask me all the time why the Government is presenting some of the evidence it is — including the fact that Ammon talked on his cell phone after he was arrested. My answer is “I don’t know.” They ask me all the time, what, if anything, this kind of evidence does to
support the Government’s case. And again, it http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Victoria-Sharp-LF-1-300x213.jpgleaves me scratching my head too. Is this the best evidence the Government has of an alleged conspiracy — the fact that Ammon Bundy would call his wife to tell her that he had been arrested? Or, that Victoria Sharp, who was also being transported (but has never been charged), and over the course of several hours of detention had repeatedly requested to be allowed to relieve herself, but had been denied, so eventually she had no choice but to urinate in the vehicle. Is this the best evidence they have? How does it help the Government’s case? Good question. I can only speculate that it is intended to show that they don’t follow orders well — when Victoria Sharp, who isn’t even a defendant in the case, is ordered to hold it indefinitely, she just didn’t play by the rules. Likewise, when Ammon Bundy and the others were ordered to be quiet, that whispering to his wife on his cell phone was a violation of that command. The government is trying to show that all of them are renegade rule-breakers who don’t do everything they’re told.

Deputy McLain testified that he and FBI Agent Ben Jones searched the defendants, and found $8000 cash in an envelope in Ammon’s jacket pocket, including a receipt showing that he had withdrawn it from his account the previous day (1/25) in Idaho. In his wallet they found receipts, dated 1/1/2016 from a BiMart in Nampa, Idaho, showing purchases of winter boots, Federal ammunition, and three cheap rifle scopes. But Ammon was not armed at the time, and no evidence has been presented that he was ever armed at the Refuge.

When Ammon’s attorney, Marcus Mumford, asked Agent Jones if there was anything illegal about withdrawing cash or buying ammunition or rifle scopes, he had to admit that there was not anything illegal about it. The insinuation was that Ammon intended to be at the Refuge for a long time..
On cross examination, Ryan Bundy asked MNWR fire management officer, Shane Theall, if he had ever had any prescribed burns burn more than the area intended, to which he responded that he had. Ryan then asked him if he had ever been charged with arson terrorism for doing that, to which the government objected, and moved to strike the question. Ryan Bundy also asked FBI surveillance pilot Jeff Cleveland if he liked spying on his fellow Americans, to which the government again objected and moved to strike.

In their cross examinations of the witnesses, the defendants and their attorneys asked numerous questions to which the Government objected, with Judge Brown virtually always sustaining their objections. At several points Judge Brown admonished them that she was going to cut of any further cross examination if they tried to probe any further. Although the Government is on the offensive, and has the burden of proof, if there is one way its case can be characterized, it is “defensive.” The government is very defensive about its own actions, and anything to do with its own motives — which Judge Brown has said are not on trial in this case.

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But the biggest news in the case today did not come in the Government’s case, any of the witnesses it called, or any of the evidence it presented. The biggest news came via notice filed by Defendant Shawna Cox accusing the Government of coaching its witnesses on the witness stand. Cox filed an affidavit in support of her motion, signed by someone else observing the trial, stating that in addition to the prosecuting attorneys, the Government also has a team of people who come into the courtroom on an alternating basis and coach the witnesses through hand signals, etc. According to the affidavit, based on vantage points in the crowed court room, virtually the only people who can actually see what is going on are the witnesses and the judge. According to the affidavit, the team coaching Sheriff David Ward including FBI Special Agent in Charge, Greg Bretziong, and Oregon U.S. Attorney Billy Williams. Of course the government denied that anything akin to witness coaching was going on.

I am going to have to admit that Shawna Cox, who represents herself, has made some bizarre filings in this case, but this is one that I’m not going to have the same knee-jerk reaction to that many do and automatically reject it. The reason I’m not is based on my own experiences and observations. I’ve seen this sort of thing happen.

Almost exactly three years ago I was trying a six day jury trial in federal court here in Utah. It was a civil rights case against a local county that I had inherited from one of my local attorney friends who had been killed in a car accident. Base on what I spend most of my time doing, I hadn’t tried a case in some time. At one point in the case I had one of the county commissioners on the stand for a day and half. Because he was an adverse witness, I was able to use leading questions in my direct examination. He started out very smug and cavalier in his testimony. When court adjourned for the day after I had been examining this witness for several hours, one of the court observers told me that the county’s insurance defense attorney had been clearly coaching and signalling the witness during the examination, and the witness was continually looking to the attorney for cues. This person suggested that I position myself http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Cross-Examination-Cartoon-1-300x277.jpgbetween the witness and his attorney to help prevent that from happening. The next morning I too noticed that the witness was always looking to his attorney for signals and direction. Unlike the Oregon Standoff trial where the attorney remain seated to conduct their examinations, in most trials attorneys are allowed to stand and even roam as they ask questions. In that case I was careful to place myself so that I would obstruct the witness’s view of his attorney. Big beads of sweat started to form on his brow. He really started to squirm, and his attorney objected to my location in the courtroom, to which the judge said she found nothing wrong with it. At that point I did back up a little bit, but continued to carefully block the witness’ view. Left to testify without coaching, eventually the witness completely fell apart. He became very emotional, and blurted out that he thought the plaintiff in the case was a real jerk, and he had no reservation bending the law to stick it to him. So based on my own personal experiences, I am not going to reject Cox’s notice so lightly. It actually seems consistent with what I have observed in the case so far.

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Todays testimony reveals Mark McConnell was one of .gov's informant, something most of us have realized since January. Apparently there were more.

And no story would be complete without all the juicy gossip . . . . . .

AN INSIDE TIP GIVEN MONTHS AGO TO THE LADY BY ONE WHO CALLED HIMSELF A FED WORKING THE REFUGE CASE.

THE COWBOY AND THE LADY (https://www.facebook.com/ThomRene2016/)·WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 2016 (https://www.facebook.com/notes/the-cowboy-and-the-lady/an-inside-tip-given-months-ago-to-the-lady-by-one-who-called-himself-a-fed-worki/1150272535042464)
It is normal for tips to be called into the Cowboy and The Lady, but none more interesting than the one by a man who told a tale the Lady, i, could not share until now, until the fact was known so that the information about McConnell being undercover would not be attacked. The full call of information is still not vetted, but it sure leaves me wondering if all i was told was true, he insisted it was.

It was a late night in February when i got a cryptic message. It was from a man who said he was a Federal Agent, but he could not give his real name, though he had information to share. He said he was very upset about what went on, could not share his name but knew that the entire event at the Refuge was staged and infiltrated beyond anyones wildest imagination. Being weary of false information the call was not spoken of, until today.
The man had a fake profile on Facebook and had been following my work for sometime. He felt my work was truthful and sought to get evidence and correct information before sharing. He said, “Mark McConnell is a Federal Agent”. McConnell was outed by a friend he knew and when the trial started the truth would be seen. Upon hearing those words i knew that it was not something that could be put to print until the trial gave this fact into evidence.

i can’t be sure, but the story is one that others may want to look into as this case has more twists and turns than a winding road around a mountain side, full of cliffs and fall offs that are dangerous. See the cliff and you can avoid it, miss it and you could fall over the edge. Well, i was not about to fall over the cliff and say McConnell was a fed until the evidence i was told would come out at trial, and it did. Now, i share this interview and information with you. Do you have the answers to whether it is all real or not? i had no way of knowing, but it was a tale of a story no less...here it is, the questions i asked in bold and his answers follow:

Who are you? “I am an agent who actually worked this case, but on leave now, the PTSD from the job has caused me to go out on leave. But, i know that many of the men inside are informants.

How do you know? “Well, a woman who is a sister of a lead agent went in undercover as the EMT who went in the night of the attempt to take the baby from the Refuge”.

What baby? “The baby that was there with the mother always talked about in McConnells first interviews.”

You mean the one Mark McConnell says he helped get out of the refuge because she was scared? “Yes”

Who is she? “She is Blaine Coopers mistress and the baby is his”.

What? Does everyone know this? “i am not sure, but if i know then suffice it to say others do”.

So what happened with the attempt to save the baby and why? “ Well, since there were drones over the Refuge with heat detectors and such we could see the baby’s temperature was dropping because of the cold and it was determined that we needed to attempt a rescue mission to save the baby.”

How?“A high ranking Federal Agent, one in charge of this case, had a sister who was trained military and had medical training. This woman was going to go undercover in an ambulance as an EMT and attempt to get the baby out. When she was at the FBI center getting ready to take off McConnell hit on her, at that time she saw his badge and gun. She told him that he had no idea who she was but that he better leave her alone if he knew what was good for him as he didn’t know who her brother was.”

Wow! So, you are saying that they took a team in and the woman actually saw a badge and gun on McConnell? “YES!”

What happened because the baby left later with McConnell not an ambulance?“Well, when they got to the Refuge it was dark, Ryan Payne met them out of the dark with a gun pointed at them in defense of others as it was a surprise and no one at the refuge expected them.”

A Surprise? How, they had a watch tower. “i am not sure, but we know it took the men at the refuge by surprise when it was an EMT and they were saying loudly that they were there to get the baby”.

Holy Crap! How do i know this is real and true? “I don’t know, but you will have to figure it out, all I can tell you is it is.”

DON’T SHOOT THE MESSENGER FOLKS, i am just sharing what information i was given, let’s see if we can find the answer? Is Blaine Cooper the baby daddy? Or was this all a made up tale to get me to put out that McConnell was an informant early to be jaded in our articles to be able to discredit us? i have no idea, so read this and like me ask, “what in the hell was i just told?”. Short of a paternity test we don’t know, but seems others do. As the story turns...


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Floyd Breshears Wow , ! , you sure like dropping bombshells,
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The Cowboy and the Lady (https://www.facebook.com/ThomRene2016/?rc=p) well, i have sat on this for so long i was wondering if it would ever be shared...now it is out and others can do what they will with the info...the call has haunted me for months.
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Thaddeus Deane Interesting...
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William Fry "But I know that MANY of the men inside are informants."

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Memorandum of Points and Authorities re exclusion of July 18 testimony


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Ryan Bundy questions witness about contolled burns . . . . Posted on Bundy Ranch Facebook

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Chandie Morse Bartell Love it- Asked by defendant Ryan Bundy, who is representing himself, if he ever had any prescribed burns burn more than the area intended, Theall said yes.

"Have you ever been prosecuted as a domestic terrorist for that?" Ryan Bundy followed up. The judge asked jurors to disregard the question after she sustained an objection from a prosecutor
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Rose Phelps Heaven forbid that he brings some truth to the proceedings. That's what the Hammonds did and so Theall should be in prison too

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Shawna Cox filed a notice with the court and substantiating affidavit, Prosecutors caught coaching witnesses

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A facebook video from Jason Patrick regarding todays proceeding; LaVoy's death was glossed over, Jason Patrick is visibly upset

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Its all about jurisdiction.

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Burns Chronicles No 29 – Public Lands – Part 2 – The Federal Government Has No Jurisdiction

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Gary Hunt
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September 13, 2016

In a previous article, “It’s a Matter of Jurisdiction (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1652)“, we looked at the constitutional aspect of jurisdiction. Many will simply ignore that aspect, since they believe that the government is not bound by the Constitution, anymore. So, we must wonder whether those who enacted laws, more recently, regarding jurisdiction, especially on lands that were obtained for certain purposes, were as doubtful of the intent of the Constitution.

The original buildings on the Refuge were built during the Great Depression under one of the various work programs intended to provide employment. The land that they were built on was acquired by the government on February 18, 1935. The remainder of the government-owned land in Section 35, as the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge was expanded, was acquired on November 22, 1948.

Shortly after the first parcel was acquired, on April 27, 1935, Congress enacted “AN ACT To provide for the protection of land resources against soil erosion, and for other purposes”, at 49 STAT 163 (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/49-Stat-163.pdf). Those “other purposes did include uses anticipated “to preserve public lands and relieve unemployment“. That Act applied:
(a) On lands owned or controlled by the United States or any of its agencies, with the cooperation of the agency having jurisdiction thereof; and
(b) On any other lands, upon obtaining proper consent or the necessary rights or interests in such lands.

So, it was recognized that the federal government need not have jurisdiction, but more about why, later.
The benefits of the Act would be extended where local government would extend “reasonable safeguards for the enforcement of State and local laws imposing suitable permanent restrictions on the use of such lands…”

So, we see no effort to presume prior jurisdiction, to make all needful rules and regulations, as per Article IX, § 3, cl. 2, or to presume a necessity to require the State to cede the lands to the federal government, as per Article I, § 8, cl. 17, since there were no “Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings”.

Then, on June 29, 1936, Congress went even further in abiding by the Constitution by clarifying their position on “exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever” (I:8:17), with “AN ACT To waive any exclusive jurisdiction over premises of resettlement or rural-rehabilitation projects…; and for other purposes”, at 49 STAT 2035 (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/49-Stat-2035.pdf).

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the acquisition by the United States of any real property heretofore or hereafter acquired for any resettlement project or any rural-rehabilitation project for resettlement purposes heretofore or hereafter constructed with funds allotted or transferred to the Resettlement Administration pursuant to the Emergency Relief Appropriation Act of 1935, or any other law, shall not be held to deprive any State or political subdivision thereof of its civil and criminal jurisdiction in and over such property, or to impair the civil rights under the local law of the tenants or inhabitants on such property ; and insofar as any such jurisdiction has been taken away from any such State or subdivision, or any such rights have been impaired, jurisdiction over any such property is hereby ceded back to such State or subdivision.

So, not only did they relinquish all “civil or criminal jurisdiction“, but they ceded back any jurisdiction that had been taken away from any State or subdivision. Now the record had been set straight, in accordance with the Constitution.
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However, to reinforce that position, we can look to a much more recent statute at 40 US Code 3112 (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/40_US_Code_3112.pdf). Title 40 is titled “Public Buildings, Property and Works”. § 3112 is titled “Federal Jurisdiction”. So, here is what the Statute says:

(a) Exclusive Jurisdiction Not Required. – It is not required that the Federal Government obtain exclusive jurisdiction in the United States over land or an interest in land it acquires.

Well, that is certainly well established, by now.

(b) Acquisition and Acceptance of Jurisdiction. – When the head of a department, agency, or independent establishment of the Government, or other authorized officer of the department, agency, or independent establishment, considers it desirable, that individual may accept or secure, from the State in which land or an interest in land that is under the immediate jurisdiction, custody, or control of the individual is situated, consent to, or cession of, any jurisdiction over the land or interest not previously obtained. The individual shall indicate acceptance of jurisdiction on behalf of the Government by filing a notice of acceptance with the Governor of the State or in another manner prescribed by the laws of the State where the land is situated.

So, they can obtain jurisdiction, though if offered by the State, they still have to file a written notice of acceptance. In the current matter, the government has not proffered any evidence of anything beyond ownership, but more on this, below.

(c) Presumption. – It is conclusively presumed that jurisdiction has not been accepted until the Government accepts jurisdiction over land as provided in this section.
And, that pretty much sums up the absence of federal jurisdiction in the current matter. Put simply, there is no federal jurisdiction at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, the alleged scene of most of the alleged crimes.

But let’s look at what the government, rather gratuitously, provided in implying their right to pursue criminal charges that if true, as alleged, would be under the jurisdiction of the State or County, not the Federal District Court in Portland. The Government filed a “Motion for Judicial Notice Regarding Ownership of the MNWR Headquarters Area (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns_doc_1229-Gov_Memorandum_Re_Judicial_Notice.pdf)“. This Motion was supported by another filing, the “Declaration of Charles Houghten (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns_doc_1230_Declaration_of_Charles_Houghten.pdf )“, providing the documentation of Ownership.

However, Shawna Cox saw through this ploy. She did not dispute the Ownership of the land, though she filed her “Response to and Motion for Judicial Notice Regarding Ownership & Ceding of the MNWR Headquarters Area (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns_doc_1245_Cox_Repsonse_to_Judicial_Notice.pdf )“. In her Motion, she stipulated as to federal ownership and asked the Court to take Judicial Notice that the land had not been ceded to the federal government.

So, it is back in the lap of the federal government to prove that they have jurisdiction over criminal matters at the MNWR, in Harney County, Oregon.

So, let’s do a count down on the Counts:

Count 1 – Conspiracy to Impede Officers of the United States – 18 U.S.C. § 372
This is the single charge that may have merit, though that will be the topic of an upcoming article, and it has to do with a law enacted during the Civil War and the definition of the terms used.

Count 2 – Possession of Firearms and Dangerous Weapons in Federal Facilities – 18 U.S.C. §§ 930(b) and 2)
This was discussed in “Firearms Not Allowed (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1633)“, where the government’s own brochure accedes to State law.

Count 3 – Use and Carry of a Firearm in Relation to a Crime of Violence – 18 U.S.C. §§ 924(c)(l)(A) and 2)
This was Dismissed, as there was no violence on which to base the charge.

Count 4 – Theft of Government Property – 18 U.S.C. § 641 (Medenbach)

Count 5 – Theft of Government Property – 18 U.S.C. § 641 (Ritzheimer & R. Bundy)

Count 6 – Depredation of Government Property – 18 U.S.C. §§ 1361 and 2
These Counts (4, 5, &6) are purely jurisdictional, as was explained in “It’s a Matter of Jurisdiction (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1652)“. As demonstrated in that article, those who rubbed shoulders with the Founders realized that to have criminal jurisdiction, the land upon which the property was located and crime occurred had to have been ceded, along with jurisdiction, for it to be a federal crime.

So, at this point, with the exception of Count 1, Reason, Common Sense, and Justice dictate that the government is simply wasting tax dollars and has denied the Liberty, which they are supposed to protect, of all 26 of the Defendants.

How has this country come to the point that the federal government can run roughshod over the rights of the States, and more importantly, the rights of the People?

[monty]

Todd Macfarlane updates with Day 7

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Note: We will be adding video clips and written coverage and commentary on an ongoing basis, so scroll down to find new clips and coverage segments as the trial progresses.
INTRODUCTION — GETTING STARTED
DAY 1 — Tuesday, September 13, 2016
OPENING STATEMENTS — the Defendants and their Attorneys
COURTROOM COLOR COMMENTARY

Todd Macfarlane's video commentary at link:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIQ7MRYhFi9l0hWQ2MDrd_w


BACKGROUND COLOR — SECURITY & TECHNOLOGY CHALLENGES
OPENING STATEMENTS — One Size Doesn’t Fit All
OPENING STATEMENTS — Public Lands Policy on Trial
OPENING STATEMENTS — It Was All About the Hammonds
DAY 2 — Wednesday, September 14, 2016
GOVERNMENT WITNESS TESTIMONY
HARNEY COUNTY SHERIFF DAVID WARD
BUTCH EATON & LT. BRIAN NEEDHAM

Defendant Ken Medenbach in a media interview outside the courthouse
DAY 3 — Thursday, September 15, 2016
NEWSBUD PERISCOPE INTERVIEW Regarding Trial Updates up to this point (https://www.periscope.tv/NewsBud_/1BRJjRrlWONJw)
BUTCH EATON CROSS EXAMINATION
CHAD KARGES EXAMINATION (Sorry About the Misspelling on the Videos)
DAY 4 — Friday, September 16, 2016
NEWSBUD PERISCOPE INTERVIEW re: Trial Updates (https://www.periscope.tv/w/1OdKrYZDXWqxX)
JEFF ROSE
FBI SOCIAL MEDIA WITNESSES







MOTION FOR MISTRIAL
BACKGROUND COLOR — Jeff Banta / Trent Loos


Defendant Jeff Banta eating lunch at the Portland Federal Courthouse
Note: Since we don’t have unlimited resources, RANGEFIRE editor, Todd Macfarlane, will not be able to report live from Portland during the entire trial. Based on other contacts and connections in Portland, however, we will be providing both written and video updates, even when Macfarlane is not on the ground at the trial. These reports will be based on – information, but will hopefully help interested parties follow developments in the case as it progresses.

DAY 5 — Monday, September 19, 2016.



Today, the government’s first witness was Linda Beck, a MNWR fish biologist, whose office Ammon Bundy used during the occupation. She testified about her duties at the refuge, and the government’s efforts to remove invasive carp fish from the shallow lakes. During both the government’s opening statement, and during Beck’s direct examination, it was stated that the Refuge had planned to bring in a commercial fishing enterprise during the month of January, to help remove the carp. This representation certainly raised eyebrows because the water would have been frozen, and it was difficult to understand how a commercial fishing effort would work under those conditions. On cross examination, however, Beck admitted that the commercial fishing effort was actually planned and scheduled for April. Beck also testified that despite the fact that she had not been at the refuge during the month of January, she continued to work and do her job, and was paid, just like all the other refuge employees were. She said that when she returned to the refuge her office was a big mess, and looked like it had been trashed, but on cross examination she admitted that she didn’t know who had made the mess, and couldn’t say that it might not have been the FBI that made the mess. One of the most important points of Beck’s testimony came when she was shown a photo of a whiteboard
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When the image of the Whiteboard was blown-up to see what it said, at the top of the board were the words “Adverse Possession,” with elements listed under that heading. Beck testified that neither she, nor any other refuge employees had written these things on the whiteboard.

Carla Burnside, the Refuge archeologist testified that the refuge headquarters had actually been built on top of an archeological site — back before it was unlawful to do that. She acknowledged that there are thousands of artifacts housed in a basement on the Refuge, that have never been displayed, and there is no current plan to display them.
Videos were shown of messages Ammon Bundy allegedly posted on social media, along with Blaine Cooper, Jon Ritzheimer and Jason Patrick. In Ritzheimer’s video, he says “we will never fire unless fired upon.” In Ammon Bundy’s video, after telling reporters that he had been in Harney County for two months working to try to do something to help Dwight and Steven Hammond, Ammon says “We feel we have exhausted all prudent measures and have been ignored.
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Twenty-three year-old Nick Bleuler testified that when he arrived at the refuge on January 2nd, the day the occupation began, he encountered men with rifles. Bleuler said that he didn’t have a firearm, but went to the refuge to support the Hammonds, and to protest land grabs. He testified that he helped take down the FBI cameras installed at the Refuge, near the headquarters, which among other things, recorded all license plates coming and going at the refuge.

DAY 6 — Tueday, September 20, 2016
The Government is moving through its evidence fairly quickly, and has indicated that it will probably rest its case about next Monday or Tuesday, which means that the government will have put on its entire case in less than two weeks. Exactly what does that mean? More important than quantity is the quality of the government’s evidence. One of the reasons we are summarizing the evidence is so that you can judge for yourself whether the Government has presented sufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a conspiracy to impede and interfere with federal officers, and exactly who was a part of that conspiracy.

Today the Government presented evidence through Harney County Deputy, Lucas McLain, FBI Special Agent Ben Jones, FBI surveillance pilot Jeffrey Cleveland, and four MNWR employees, including Ryan Curtis, Jesse Wenick, Shane Theall and Edward Moulton.

The employees testified about their absence from the refuge during January and early February, based on instructions from their supervisors, and the condition they found the premises in when they returned. They testified that they found things “messy and rummaged through,” and about government vehicles and equipment that had been used by the Defendants. Once again, social media evidence, including Facebook and YouTube images and videos were used to document such usage, and the parties involved.
Deputy McLain testified about transporting the defendants, including Ammon Bundy, shortly after their initial arrest, before handing them off to the FBI for transportation to Portland. He said that he discovered Ammon had been talking on his cell phone.

Part of my role in this whole alternative media coverage equation is to provide commentary, so I’m going to provide more of that in this segment. Like I have mentioned in some of the longer pieces I have written about the trial, I have people ask me all the time why the Government is presenting some of the evidence it is — including the fact that Ammon talked on his cell phone after he was arrested. My answer is “I don’t know.” They ask me all the time, what, if anything, this kind of evidence does to support the Government’s case. And again, it eaves me scratching my head too. Is this the best evidence the Government has of an alleged conspiracy — the fact that Ammon Bundy would call his wife to tell her that he had been arrested? Or, that Victoria Sharp, who was also being transported (but has never been charged), and over the course of several hours of detention had repeatedly requested to be allowed to relieve herself, but had been denied, so eventually she had no choice but to urinate in the vehicle. Is this the best evidence they have? How does it help the Government’s case? Good question. I can only speculate that it is intended to show that they don’t follow orders well — when Victoria Sharp, who isn’t even a defendant in the case, is ordered to hold it indefinitely, she just didn’t play by the rules. Likewise, when Ammon Bundy and the others were ordered to be quiet, that whispering to his wife on his cell phone was a violation of that command. The government is trying to show that all of them are renegade rule-breakers who don’t do everything they’re told.

Deputy McLain testified that he and FBI Agent Ben Jones searched the defendants, and found $8000 cash in an envelope in Ammon’s jacket pocket, including a receipt showing that he had withdrawn it from his account the previous day (1/25) in Idaho. In his wallet they found receipts, dated 1/1/2016 from a BiMart in Nampa, Idaho, showing purchases of winter boots, Federal ammunition, and three cheap rifle scopes. But Ammon was not armed at the time, and no evidence has been presented that he was ever armed at the Refuge.

When Ammon’s attorney, Marcus Mumford, asked Agent Jones if there was anything illegal about withdrawing cash or buying ammunition or rifle scopes, he had to admit that there was not anything illegal about it. The insinuation was that Ammon intended to be at the Refuge for a long time..

On cross-examination, Ryan Bundy asked MNWR fire management officer, Shane Theall, if he had ever had any prescribed burns burn more than the area intended, to which he responded that he had. Ryan then asked him if he had ever been charged with arson terrorism for doing that, to which the government objected, and moved to strike the question. Ryan Bundy also asked FBI surveillance pilot Jeff Cleveland if he liked spying on his fellow Americans, to which the government again objected and moved to strike.
In their cross examinations of the witnesses, the defendants and their attorneys asked numerous questions to which the Government objected, with Judge Brown virtually always sustaining their objections. At several points Judge Brown admonished them that she was going to cut of any further cross-examination if they tried to probe any further. Although the Government is on the offensive, and has the burden of proof, if there is one way its case can be characterized, it is “defensive.” The government is very defensive about its own actions, and anything to do with its own motives — which Judge Brown has said are not on trial in this case.

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But the biggest development in the case today did not come in the Government’s case, through any of the witnesses it called, or any of the evidence it presented. The biggest news came via notice filed by Defendant Shawna Cox accusing the Government of coaching its witnesses on the witness stand. Cox filed an affidavit in support of her motion, signed by someone else observing the trial, stating that in addition to the prosecuting attorneys, the Government also has a team of people who come into the courtroom on an alternating basis and coach the witnesses through hand signals, etc. According to the affidavit, based on vantage points in the crowed court room, virtually the only people who can actually see what is going on are the witnesses and the judge. According to the affidavit, the team coaching Sheriff David Ward including FBI Special Agent in Charge, Greg Bretzing, and Oregon U.S. Attorney Billy Williams. Of course the government denied that anything akin to witness coaching was going on.

I am going to have to admit that Shawna Cox, who represents herself, has made some bizarre filings in this case, but this is one that I’m not going to have the same knee-jerk reaction to that many do and automatically reject it. The reason I’m not is based on my own experiences and observations. I’ve seen this sort of thing happen.

Almost exactly three years ago I was trying a six-day jury trial in federal court here in Utah. It was a civil rights case against a local county that I had inherited from one of my local attorney friends who had been killed in a car accident. Base on what I spend most of my time doing, I hadn’t tried a case in some time. At one point in the case I had one of the county commissioners on the stand for aabout a day and half. Because he was an adverse witness, I was able to use leading questions in my direct examination. He started out very smug and cavalier in his testimony. When court adjourned for the day after I had been examining this witness for several hours, one of the court observers told me that the county’s insurance defense attorney had been clearly coaching and signalling the witness during the examination, and the witness was continually looking to the attorney for cues. This person suggested that I position myself http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Cross-Examination-Cartoon-1-300x277.jpgbetween the witness and his attorney to help prevent that from happening. The next morning I too noticed that the witness was always looking to his attorney for signals and direction. Unlike the Oregon Standoff trial where the attorney remain seated to conduct their examinations, in most trials attorneys are allowed to stand and even roam as they ask questions. In that case I was careful to place myself so that I would obstruct the witness’s view of his attorney. Big beads of sweat started to form on his brow. He really started to squirm, and his attorney objected to my location in the courtroom, to which the judge said she found nothing wrong with it. At that point I did back up a little bit, but continued to carefully block the witness’ view. Left to testify without coaching, eventually the witness completely fell apart. He became very emotional, and blurted out that he thought the plaintiff in the case was a real jerk, and he had no reservation bending the law to stick it to him. So based on my own personal experiences, I am not going to reject Cox’s notice so lightly. It actually seems consistent with what I have observed in the case so far.

MIDSTREAM BACKGROUND COLOR COMMENTARY
https://youtu.be/lJ7nKS1F9DU
Meanwhile Back at the Ranch — Color Commentary — Background Introduction

Commentary Regarding the Charges
https://youtu.be/Un1tE-YJ_HA
Clarification re: Theft Charge:
Misstated that the Theft of Government Property charge only applies to Defendant Ken Medenbach. Ryan Bundy is also charged with theft of government property based on alleged removal of the FBI surveillance cameras.
Commentary re: CONSPIRACY CHARGE
https://youtu.be/1Vk3ph9Frgs
Commentary re: ADVERSE POSSESSION
https://youtu.be/kf1DhYccNkc

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Commentary re: JUDICIAL TRANSPARENCY
https://youtu.be/dhtAjkF0NSs

DAY 7 — Wednesday, September 21, 2016
Today, Oregon State Police Trooper Jeremiah Beckert confirmed what many have suspected for a long time — that Mark McConnell was a government informant, and was providing “intel” to the government for the arrest operation. Beckert also testified about the arrests of Ammon Bundy, Brian Cavalier, and supposedly Mark McConnell, who was immediately released and shortly afterward produced a video stating that he had seen the shooting of LaVoy Finicum and that Finicum had been “charging” the officers.
Judge Brown repeatedly warned the Defendants and their attorneys that discussing and questioning witnesses about the shooting of LaVoy Finicum was off-limits, but she allowed the government to ask questions about Finicum and the circumstances surrounding his shooting. In the afternoon, the government called Deschutes County Sheriff Detective Ron Brown to testify. He held up handguns, and claimed that they belonged to LaVoy Finicum, stating that one — with one round in the gun — was on Finicum’s person, and the other was found on the floorboard of his pickup, under the driver’s seat. He also held up .223 caliber rifles, and testified that they were found under the back seat of Finicum’s truck.

In light of the fact that Judge Brown has repeatedly stated the Finicum’s shooting death is completely irrelevant to the case, and her repeated warnings to the defendants and their attorneys about it, it is very interesting that she continues to allow the prosecution and its witnesses to talk about, and present evidence about it. Her apparent reasoning is that it helps support the charge of conspiracy to impede or interfere with federal officers. But she won’t allow the defendants to explore anything about it.
The prosecution also presented evidence about the remaining four “hold-outs” who remained at the refuge until their final surrender on February 11th. This evidence included photographs, and recordings of the negotiations between the FBI and the four last remaining hold-outs, including Jeff Banta, David Fry, and husband and wife, Sean & Sandra Anderson. This evidence was presented through FBI Special Agent Marc Maxwell, who was doing much of the negotiation for the FBI.
The prosecution played at least four recordings of telephone conversations between Maxwell and Jeff Banta. When Maxwell asked what they wanted, Banta said the main thing they wanted was the Hammonds released — this whole thing is about the Hammonds.

Banta also told Maxwell that they were concerned that they were going to be murdered just as LaVoy Finicum had been. Although Maxwell said they would be given safe passage to leave if they didn’t have any outstanding warrants, Banta and others in the background said they didn’t believe they could trust the FBI. Banta requested an independent third-party negotiator “that I can trust,” and suggested Reverend Franklin Graham, who was eventually contacted and became involved in the final negotiations. The government also played several of David Fry’s live streams from the refuge. By the end of the occupation, the four remaining hold-outs had removed themselves from the headquarters buildings, and were camping in a makeshift camp of their own in the West parking lot that they called “Camp Finicum” in honor of LaVoy. The goverment presented plenty of evidence that the last four hold-outs genuinely believed that they would probably meet the same fate as Finicum.

What follows is Shari Dovales’ report on Wednesday’s Proceedings, from ReDoubt News:
(http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/21/mcconnell-outed-government-informant/)
“The Malheur Protest Trial continued today with Judge Anna Brown repeating her orders to Ryan Bundy not to bring up the “FBI Cover-up”. “This is very serious controversy,” she told him. She warned him that if he attempted to bring up this point that she will have him removed from the courtroom and he will forfeit his right to represent himself.
Later in the morning, Oregon State Police (OSP) Trooper Jeremiah Beckert testified about January 26, 2016, the day the FBI and OSP set up an illegal Dead-man’s Roadblock
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Beckert testified that Mark McConnell, driver of the jeep, was a cooperating government informant that tipped them off as to the vehicles, which occupants were in the vehicles, etc. Beckert told the court that McConnell was the only occupant of the jeep that was armed. The other two passengers, Ammon Bundy and Brian Cavalier, were not armed.
Beckert brought with him a 24-page statement to refresh his memory, but stated that most of the events were very clear in his mind. “This was a High Profile incident,” he stated. “A once in a lifetime event.”
When defense attorney Mumford questioned him about the legality of the events, Beckert said, “It is not my job to understand the laws. It is my job to do what my supervisor tells me.”
Beckert testified that he was assigned to apprehend the jeep during the operation to arrest the protesters. He was in an unmarked truck, and when he saw the jeep he hit his lights and sirens and went up behind them. After the arrests of the jeep passengers, Beckert drove off to assist with the vehicle driven by LaVoy Finicum.

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He testified that Finicum was on the ground and not moving when he arrived, and continued to describe the events after that, leading to the arrests of the remaining passengers.
Judge Brown attempted to limit how many details were discussed in front of the jury, but some made their way into open court. It was noted that no shots came from the truck, and several non-lethal rounds were shot towards the truck. The lethal rounds were not discussed.
“So the round that was shot into my shoulder, was it lethal or not lethal?” Ryan Bundy attempted to ask on cross-examination. This was another question that went unanswered.

Since the defendants perception is the main focus, it would have been nice to hear if they could have discerned the difference between lethal and non-lethal rounds being shot at them, however, the Judge was having none of that.

The prosecution has not presented a strong case, yet I am sure it will be enough for Judge Brown to send it to the jury. Let’s hope and pray that the jury is smart enough to see through them.


http://youtu.be/JxJJKgX_2iY

For contrasing perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB)
(http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/)
Reminder: the trial is only in session four days each week, so Thursday will be the last day this week, and will end early at 2:00 p.m.

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[monty]

FBI paid a witness for access to his property. His testimony sound suspect to me.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/09/judge_threatens_ammon_bundy_if.html
Judge to Ammon Bundy's lawyer: If he continues to defy her orders, she'll hold him in contempt

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U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown on Thursday threatened to hold Ammon Bundy's lawyer in contempt of court each time he defies her order and tries to delve into the circumstances surrounding the officer-involved fatal shooting of refuge occupation spokesman Robert "LaVoy" Finicum in front of jurors.


The judge told attorney Marcus Mumford that she'd fine him $1,000 each time he raises the issue while questioning witnesses.


"I have ruled on this issue and it appears to me you disregard it,'' Brown told Mumford after excusing the jury for a morning restroom break.


"Do you understand what I'm saying ... yes or no?'' the judge asked Mumford as he was about to explain. She cut him off, requesting a simple answer, just as he's done to witnesses on the stand.
"I don't understand. Your honor says I'm asking improper questions?'' Mumford said.


The judge pointed to Mumford's questioning of rancher Andy Dunbar, whose property is adjacent to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, about what he learned on Jan. 26 about the fatal shooting of Finicum.


"You are not to do that,'' Brown said.


"You're telling me I'm allowed to inquire about the shooting, but not the circumstances of the shooting?'' Mumford asked.


Brown reminded him: Anything about Finicum's shooting death, beyond that it occurred and the date, isn't allowed to be discussed in front of jurors.


"I understand the words,'' Mumford told her.


"I hope you can comply,'' the judge said.


The admonition followed days of directions by the judge to Mumford about restricting his questions during cross-examination to the testimony elicited during prosecutors' direct examination of witnesses. She frequently sustained prosecutors' objections to Mumford's lines of questioning because they were either irrelevant or "beyond the scope'' of the direct testimony.


The judge instructed Mumford and all other attorneys to take it up with her without the jury present if they want to ask questions that go beyond her order.


Earlier Thursday, rancher Dunbar described how he noticed six vehicles headed to the refuge on Jan. 2 as he was having lunch with his wife at The Narrows campground restaurant.


"They're my closest neighbor,'' Dunbar said of the refuge.


He also testified that he heard shooting by the refuge boat launch on six different days. The launch is a little over a mile from his Dunbar Ranch, he said.
"You could definitely hear the shots being fired,'' he said.


Asked if there were a few gunshots, Dunbar said no, that there were "lots, lots and lots.''


During cross-examination, Mumford suggested to Dunbar that if someone wanted to do target practice, wouldn't it be good to find a spot "out in the middle of nowhere?''


Mumford likely didn't expect the answer he got.


"As a rancher and permittee holder, no place on the refuge is a good place for target practice,'' Dunbar responded.


Mumford then had Dunbar review a pamphlet from the refuge about hunting. Dunbar acknowledged that limited bird hunting is allowed on the refuge property.


During re-direct, Assistant U.S. Attorney Craig Gabriel asked Dunbar if the shooting that he had heard sounded like bird hunting.


"No, not at all,'' he said.


Prosecutors plan to introduce a Facebook video from cooperating government witness Jason Blomgren, which captures about eight or nine men lined up and firing assault rifles at the boat lunch. The video was posted to Blomgren's Facebook page on Jan. 25, according to court testimony. Blomgren already has pleaded guilty to a federal conspiracy charge.


Mumford had argued that the video is "prejudicial'' and the only man identified in the group was co-defendant Ryan Payne, who has pleaded guilty to a federal conspiracy charge.


Assistant U.S. Attorney Ethan Knight successfully argued for the video to be admitted as evidence. "It's not simply the presence of the firearms. It's the use of firearms on the refuge, during the conspiracy. It could not be more relevant,'' Knight said.


The judge said she would allow the video to be played. She said she found it prejudicial, "but not unfairly prejudicial.''


In the first few days of the refuge occupation, Dunbar said he was on his 42 acres, caring for his heifers when he and his son looked through binoculars to see who was in the refuge watchtower. He testified that each time, he saw a man pointing a rifle.


"The guy pointed a gun towards us,'' Dunbar said.


There appeared to be a "sniper team'' in the refuge watchtower, he said, and other men patrolling the perimeter of the refuge.


Further testimony revealed that Dunbar and his 26-year-old son, Tucker Dunbar, each were paid $2,000 by the FBI for access to their properties. The son lives across the street from his father.


Mumford introduced the FBI receipt into evidence, showing that the senior Dunbar got $2,000 "for services rendered'' from Jan. 2 to Feb. 22. Andy Dunbar had previously testified that he didn't talk to the FBI until they called him on Jan. 21.


Asked if that amount is a large amount of money for him, Dunbar said it was a "significant'' amount. "I told them I didn't want it,'' Dunbar said.
"Did you give it back?'' Mumford asked.


"No,'' Dunbar said.


Dunbar even helped talk to several of the holdouts at the refuge on Feb. 5 about ranchers' need to access the refuge property for irrigation purposes.


-- Maxine Bernstein
mbernstein@oregonian.com
503-221-8212
@maxoregonian (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/09/"https://twitter.com/maxoregonian)

[monty]

September 19 Briana Bundy on Twister Radio with host Jim Lamley,

http://ice9.securenetsystems.net/media/KSDZ/ondemand/Brianna-Bundy,-Oregon-Trial-Update.m4a

[monty]

Judge Brown threatens Ammon Bundy's attorney with contempt for delving into LaVoy Finicums murder


http://youtu.be/zJpmy0pq4Xk

https://youtu.be/zJpmy0pq4Xk

[monty]

Setup


http://youtu.be/LaspaeOX2vg

https://youtu.be/LaspaeOX2vg

[Tumbleweed]

^ Mark McConell is a lying bastard working for the Jewish owned and controlled government working to destroy this country.

This is a good lesson for anyone who forms a group to promote the constitution or hold the government accountable for their actions that are bringing on the ((( new world order/communism.)))

I got fed up with the full video posted earlier of the lying son of bitches version of the events when they were stopped and Lavoy was shot. I had to turn it off.

[monty]

^ Mark McConell is a lying bastard working for the Jewish owned and controlled government working to destroy this country.

This is a good lesson for anyone who forms a group to promote the constitution or hold the government accountable for their actions that are bringing on the ((( new world order/communism.)))

I got fed up with the full video posted earlier of the lying son of bitches version of the events when they were stopped and Lavoy was shot. I had to turn it off.

Quoted for truth. I did not and will not watch those videos for the reasons you stated.

[monty]

RangeFire! report for day 8. http://rangefire.us/2016/09/13/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-live-coverage-commentary/

DAY 8, Thursday, September 22, 2016
There were two major themes in the case today. One was presentation of recordings of the negotiation discussions between the remaining hold-out occupiers at the Refuge, and the FBI. Many of the conversations are between FBI negotiators and Defendant Jeff Banta, whose discussions with the the FBI were played for the the jury. The other theme was Judge Brown’s discussion with Attorney Marcus Mumford about his questions about the shooting death of LaVoy Finicum. We will talk more about that below.

Jeff Banta’s conversations with the FBI were very interesting and remarkably candid. They help show that there were multiple diverse ideas and agendas at the Refuge and among refuge occupiers. The idea that all refuge occupiers on the same sheet of music and part of one grand conspiracy to impede federal officers might be a stretch.

Banta told FBI negotiators that he had to gone to the Refuge to support Dwight and Steven Hammond. He wanted to have a chance to meet their family. He thought if they were going to prison, he might even see if he could work for them as a ranch hand and help them out. He thought Bundys might be able to help make an introduction with the Hammonds. When negotiators asked Banta what he wanted and what it would take to get the remaining occupiers to leave, he said “There’s only one way out, and that’s to free the Hammonds.”
Banta decribed some of the other occupiers who had been at the Refuge as disorganized, and compared them to cartoon characters. He said he wouldn’t put much stock in many of them. “Half of them have their screws loose, I’m telling ya,” he said.

One interesting piece of evidence presented was an an aerial surveillance video showing Banta riding an ATV to a remote part of the refuge to remove a surveillance camera that was mounted on a tripod. In light of this, it is interesting to compare this evidence with evidence that others had removed surveillance cameras and were charged with theft of government property, but Banta was not. On this point, it is also worth noting that although no evidence has been presented that Banta was ever armed or possessed any firearm(s) on the Refuge, he has been charged with possession firearms, and on September 12th Banta had to remind Judge Brown that he too is still charged with possession.

Now, let’s turn attention to the discussion about evidence regarding LaVoy Finicum’s shooting death. Judge Brown has allowed the prosecution to present a variety of evidence about the shooting, but has refused to allow Attorney Mumford to ask questions about it on cross examination. Ultimately, Judge Brown reminded Mumford, repeatedly, that she had already ruled that she was not going to allow such questioning, and warned him that she was going to hold him in contempt, and fine him $1000, if he continued to pursue that line of questioning. She asked him if he understood. He responded “I understand the words,” implying that he understood what she was saying, but was struggling to understand why she was saying it, and refusing to treat both sides the same when it came to this line of questioning.

In light of this subject matter, the timing of a new anonymous video that has just been posted regarding detailed forensic analysis of LaVoy Finicum’s shooting is more than interesting. Because this video is very thought-provokiing, we are going to share it here, as well as in a separate post.


http://youtu.be/pLIUDBrU9Cs

Recap of the Second Week of Trial — still to come

For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/)

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[monty]

These 2 videos are beginning to raise a lot of awareness around the internet. Read Gary Hunt's comment re Ryan Payne.

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Startling & Thought-Provoking New Analysis of LaVoy Finicum Shooting

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If you have been following our commentary and coverage of the Oregon Standoff Tria (http://rangefire.us/2016/09/13/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-live-coverage-commentary/)l (or anyone else’s), you know that evidence regarding the shooting death of LaVoy Finicum has become a major point of contention in the case.

Supposedly there is an ongoing FBI investigation regarding a coverup by FBI HRT agents involved in that incident. In light of all this subject matter, new videos, anonymously produced, and recently posted on social media, are particularly thought provoking. In addition to the first general analysis video, we have now also added an additional video devoted to the purpose of the FBI foam bullet.



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http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/74a6378ab04b893be1c152cead899302?s=59&d=mm&r=gGary Hunt (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/)September 23, 2016 at 10:52 am (http://rangefire.us/2016/09/23/startling-thought-provoking-new-analysis-of-lavoy-finicum-shooting/#comment-2222)

This is an excellent presentation, with the exception of a blatant attempt to color Ryan Payne as an agent provocateur. He actually contradicts the assertion near the end, in the summation, by suggesting another motive for Ryan’s actions.

McConnell was released, but Payne was not. Payne has pled and is facing years in prison, which is not consistent, as with McConnell, of someone working for the government.

I have been in near constant touch with Ryan for the two years between events, and it was through him that I secured an invitation from Ammon Bundy to visit and have access at the Mulheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Prior to the occupation of the Refuge, I spent ten days with Ryan Payne working on a presentation on Committees of Safety. That presentation was given in Harney County and resulted in the creation of the Harney County Committee of Safety.

These are not the actions of an agent provocateur, they are the actions of a trained combat veteran who is dissatisfied with this government. Of the occupants of the two vehicles, Ryan is the only one with active combat experience. Why he got out of the truck will not be answered until such time as there would be no consequences as a result of that information.

If the creator of this presentation would remove his suggestive presumptions about Ryan Payne, I would give i my full support. If he continues to demonize Payne, based upon his speculation and presumption, I can only throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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These 2 videos are beginning to raise a lot of awareness around the internet. Read Gary Hunt's comment re Ryan Payne.



http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/74a6378ab04b893be1c152cead899302?s=59&d=mm&r=gGary Hunt (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/)September 23, 2016 at 10:52 am (http://rangefire.us/2016/09/23/startling-thought-provoking-new-analysis-of-lavoy-finicum-shooting/#comment-2222)

This is an excellent presentation, with the exception of a blatant attempt to color Ryan Payne as an agent provocateur. He actually contradicts the assertion near the end, in the summation, by suggesting another motive for Ryan’s actions.

McConnell was released, but Payne was not. Payne has pled and is facing years in prison, which is not consistent, as with McConnell, of someone working for the government.

I have been in near constant touch with Ryan for the two years between events, and it was through him that I secured an invitation from Ammon Bundy to visit and have access at the Mulheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Prior to the occupation of the Refuge, I spent ten days with Ryan Payne working on a presentation on Committees of Safety. That presentation was given in Harney County and resulted in the creation of the Harney County Committee of Safety.

These are not the actions of an agent provocateur, they are the actions of a trained combat veteran who is dissatisfied with this government. Of the occupants of the two vehicles, Ryan is the only one with active combat experience. Why he got out of the truck will not be answered until such time as there would be no consequences as a result of that information.

If the creator of this presentation would remove his suggestive presumptions about Ryan Payne, I would give i my full support. If he continues to demonize Payne, based upon his speculation and presumption, I can only throw the baby out with the bathwater. .







I think the creator of this video analysis is justified in pointing out that Ryan Payne's behavior fits that of an agent provocateur and also an undercover informant for the government.

[monty]

I think the creator of this video analysis is justified in pointing out that Ryan Payne's behavior fits that of an agent provocateur and also an undercover informant for the government.

I had the same thought when I watched the video but decided not to make any comment not having any firsthand knowledge.

[monty]

Shawna Cox has filed another motion re the court lacking jurisdiction over the land and buildings at the Malheur headquarters after Judge Brown denied the first motion. She addresses the fact the United States owns the horses and burros as was ruled on by the Supremes, but the ownership of the land is not addressed in the New Mexico case.

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Second week analysis of the Malheur protest trial from Rangefire.us

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/13/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-live-coverage-commentary/

Recap of the Second Week of Trial
For our second week re-cap, we’re going to share Maxine Bernstein’s most recent article about Attorney Marcus Mumford’s trial tactics in defending Ammon Bundy:
According to legal “Experts,” inviting the warth of Judge Brown may be part of a calculated approach by Ammon Bundy’s lawyer (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/09/inviting_wrath_of_judge_may_be.html)
According to Maxine Bernstein’s article (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/09/inviting_wrath_of_judge_may_be.html), “It would be nearly impossible for jurors not to notice U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown’s growing exasperation with Ammon Bundy’s lawyer Marcus Mumford.
Since the Bundy trial began two weeks ago, the judge has repeatedly told Mumford to follow her rulings, reword his questions to government witnesses and occasionally to either stand up when he addresses her or sit down and stop challenging her directives.
Despite her earlier orders that defense lawyers weren’t to raise questions at trial about who owns the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, Mumford tried to solicit responses from the Harney County sheriff and refuge employees on the subject.

Despite the judge’s warnings that she didn’t want any defendant or defense lawyer to ask witnesses about the circumstances surrounding the fatal police shooting of occupation spokesman Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, Mumford passed off as a question a stinging remark that Finicum was shot three times in the back, asked another witness how close police were to him when he was shot and why the FBI wasn’t investigating the shooting.
Each time, prosecutors objected. Each time, the judge asked jurors to disregard Mumford’s bids to get around her edicts.
Out of earshot of the jury, Brown on Thursday had enough.
She threatened Mumford with contempt of court if he continued to delve into Finicum’s shooting. She told him she’d fine him $1,000 for each time he continued to violate her orders.
So how is this of any help to Bundy as he and six others fight federal conspiracy charges in the 41-day armed takeover of the bird sanctuary in eastern Oregon earlier this year?
Trial observers have wondered aloud whether Mumford is grasping at straws or if his approach is part of a calculated plan.
Legal experts, including a fellow defense lawyer in this case, suggest the latter.
“He knows what he’s doing. It’s intentional,” said Matthew Schindler, a lawyer helping co-defendant Kenneth Medenbach. “I don’t believe he makes choices without a strategic focus.”
Mumford may be trying to mimic Bundy’s narrative – that the federal government hasn’t listened to his concerns and that’s why he needed to make a stand.
The judge’s consistent slap down of Mumford’s questions could play into his defense of Bundy, legal scholars and other lawyers say.
He could be setting up an argument to jurors at the end of the trial: “See, they aren’t even letting you hear about the most critical evidence in the case. The government can do what it wants, and they’re not even giving us a fair fight,” said Portland criminal defense lawyer Kevin Sali.
Or perhaps Mumford’s marathon cross-examinations of witnesses – marked by seemingly random questions far beyond the scope of the charges and long pauses as he figures out his next query – might be designed to confuse jurors.
With the government’s case resting heavily on the defendants’ own recorded statements and social media postings, photos and videos before, during and after the refuge occupation, “maybe all that’s left is trying to cast doubt about the government’s actions and the propriety of the government’s actions,” said Tung Yin, a Lewis & Clark Law School professor.
But the tactics could backfire – attorneys can risk losing face in front of jurors when they invite constant scolding.
“The judge – especially someone like Judge Brown, who keeps tight control over her courtroom – will typically be perceived by jurors as a trusted authority figure,” Sali said. “Being repeatedly shot down by such a person can harm a lawyer’s credibility in jurors’ eyes.”
In a case with many defendants, it also could make the other lawyers look better, Yin said.
Over the past two weeks, Mumford asked a refuge employee how many birds he estimated lived outside the refuge compared to the number on the refuge. It was stricken as irrelevant. Another time, Mumford slipped in a reference to adverse possession, a principle his client contends he was exercising when he occupied the refuge in an effort to return the property to the people of Harney County. Never mind that the judge has made clear that the federal government owns the refuge and any references to adverse possession must be restricted to the defendants’ state of mind if they take the stand themselves.
A few times, the judge has chided Mumford in front of jurors for mischaracterizing direct testimony during cross-examination. After a few witnesses misinterpreted Mumford’s questions, the judge advised him when jurors were out of the courtroom to simplify them and avoid using complex clauses, something she said experienced lawyers should know.
“On the one hand, a jury who sees an attorney repeatedly asking improper questions and getting shot down by the judge might think that attorney is not very competent, and be biased against the defendant,” said Andrew Kim, a Concordia University School of Law professor. “On the other hand, if the other side, the prosecution, is continually forced to object to questions that sound reasonable to the jury, it could give the impression that they have something to hide, which might work in the defendant’s favor.”
Bundy, considered the leader of the occupation, his older brother, Ryan, and the other five defendants each face a charge of conspiring to impede federal employees from working at the refuge through intimidation, threats or force. Eleven other defendants have pleaded guilty to the charge. Seven others are set for trial in February.

Ryan Bundy, who is representing himself and has no legal education, usually follows Mumford in cross-examining government witnesses. In contrast, his questions, for the most part, have been focused and direct, and on several occasions, the judge has overruled government objections to his questions. Ryan Bundy also has an experienced standby counsel and paralegal assisting him.
Schindler, who typically asks witnesses a few pointed questions and moves on, said he’s proud of Mumford.

“I’ve never seen anybody get Judge Brown so fired up,” Schindler said. “We’re not there to be friends with judges. Justice is not done by sitting down and shutting up.”
Yin said Bundy’s lawyer also may be trying to preserve a record for an appeal if his client is convicted: the court’s restrictions on his ability to question witnesses about Finicum’s shooting, for example.
The judge, though, also is likely wary of providing any fodder for Mumford to appeal.
“A trial judge has to be careful in a criminal trial not to clamp down on the defense,” he said. “It sounds like she might have tolerated more than she would have with Mumford already than she might have, say, with prosecutors or if this were a civil case.”
As for Mumford, this is par for the course for the pugilistic attorney.
While many lawyers in Brown’s courtroom Thursday said they had never witnessed a judge threaten an attorney with contempt before, it’s the second time this year for Mumford.

In February, a federal judge in Utah did the same during a criminal trial for the same type of offense – leading a witness during cross-examination into a forbidden area of inquiry. In that case, Mumford’s client, accountant Scott Leavitt, was acquitted of all 86 charges in an alleged influence-peddling scandal that included allegations of fraud, conspiracy and money laundering.
Mumford, who grew up on an Idaho dairy farm, told students at his alma mater, Idaho State University, in 2010 that he had to be “audacious enough” to enter the field of law with a significant stuttering condition he’s struggled with since age 4 because “the world wasn’t prepared for a stuttering lawyer.”
Mumford went on to graduate from Brigham Young University’s law school. He clerked for a federal appellate judge and worked eight years for one of the country’s biggest law firms, Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, before returning to Utah to open his own practice.
Mumford told The Oregonian/OregonLive this week that he has tremendous respect for Judge Brown and doesn’t anticipate he’ll be found in contempt of her rulings. Yet he continued to defend his approach in court.

“My client has a right to confront the witnesses who are testifying against him,” he said. “I must zealously represent his interests. I have an obligation to ask all the relevant questions.”
He said he’s striving to show a link between what he and Ammon Bundy perceive as the government’s “misconduct” in the shooting of Finicum and what they contend is the government’s misleading view and mishandling of the refuge occupation.
“It’s the same governmental mistakes in how they reacted to the occupation itself,” Mumford said. “They didn’t engage in civil debate but engaged in wrongdoing and made up evidence that my client violated federal law.”
“It’s not easy to tell the federal government it’s wrong,” Mumford said.
— Maxine Bernstein
Note: It should be noted that despite his speech impediment and sometimes unorthodox approach, Attorney Marcus Mumford has a number of victories in high profile federal prosecutions in the state of Utah, including a lengthy white-collar conspiracy case earlier this year, in which his client was acquitted of 86 counts of alleded federal violations. Mumford is working with Attorney Morgan Philpot who has less litigation experience, but has political experience and is a former Utah state legislator and candidate for governor. They are also working with Rick Koerber, another of Mumford’s former high-profile clients, who is doing much of the research and writing of motions in the case.
For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/)
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[monty]

Shawna Cox has filed another motion re the court lacking jurisdiction over the land and buildings at the Malheur headquarters after Judge Brown denied the first motion. She addresses the fact the United States owns the horses and burros as was ruled on by the Supremes, but the ownership of the land is not addressed in the New Mexico case.

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62 Stautes Chapter 645 Section 7(3)

"Any lands reserved or acquired for THE USE OF THE UNITED STATES"

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[monty]

From the left leaning Lets Talk Nevada

http://letstalknevada.com/bundy-oregon-trial-prosecution-evidence-week-3/

Bundy Oregon Trial Prosecution Evidence, Week 3

Posted on September 23, 2016 (http://letstalknevada.com/bundy-oregon-trial-prosecution-evidence-week-3/) by Bill Hurd (http://letstalknevada.com/author/bill-hurd/)


The picture is becoming visible of evidence the prosecutors are presenting in the trial in Oregon of
seven defendants in the Malheur Standoff case.

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Prosecutors are using video evidence recorded for The Pete Santilli Show. See the September 20 article by Karina Brown in Willamette Week entitled “Deborah Jordan Caught the Malheur Takeover on Camera. Now Her Footage is At the Center of the Bundy Trial” Here.
http://www.wweek.com/news/2016/09/21/deborah-jordan-caught-the-malheur-takeover-on-camera-now-her-footage-is-at-the-center-of-the-bundy-trial/

Jordan played a major role in producing Santilli’s show, and he is her boyfriend. She doesn’t seem concerned that video from the show is being used as evidence. That might partially be because Santilli is no longer a defendant in the case. She says the FBI went after Pete because they don’t like him, not for breaking the law. We’ll see if the video evidence is critical in the case, and we note that Santilli is facing serious charges in Nevada for the Bunkerville standoff.

On Wednesday, September 21, there was testimony by a State Trooper that an informant alerted authorities about the trip by occupiers that resulted in the shooting death of LaVoy Finicum and the arrest of Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy and others. The informant was Ammon Bundy’s driver, Mark McConnell. McConnell was previously identified as a leader in the III% patriot group. (I wonder how he became an informant.) See the OPD article by Conrad Wilson, Bryan Vance and Bradley Parks “Informant Tipped Off OSP On Day Of Arrests Of Several Malheur Occupation Leaders”. http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-trial-lavoy-finicum-shooting-arrests-ammon-ryan-bundy-shawna-cox-fbi/

There also was testimong about the shooting and the weapons that were found.

Thursday, September 22, saw interesting testimony by rancher Andy Dunbar, and a warning by Judge Anna Brown that could lead to contempt charges against Ammon Bundy’s attorney, Marcus Mumford, and others. These were reported by Conrad Wilson, Bryan Vance and Bradley Parks in the OPD article “Outside Looking In: Rancher Describes His View Of The Malheur Occupation”. http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-trial-fbi-agents-rancher-testimony/#.V-RtCRGUAdE.twitter

Dunbar’s ranch is immediately adjacent to the Malheur Refuge. He had great views of the observation tower. He testified about seeing men with long guns appearing to secure a perimeter. He said he saw, through binoculars, a person in the watch tower pointing a gun in his direction. He described the stressful situation in January, and that he still had to tend his cattle during the calving season. He also said he heard gunfire on a number of days.

The threat of contempt charges came when Attorney Mumford violated Judge Brown’s orders restricting how the shooting of LaVoy Finicum may be addressed in the presence of the jury. The attorneys and prosecutors may not mention more than that the shooting occurred and the date, under threat of a $1000 fine per incident.

Also on Thursday, Maxine Bernstein @maxoregonian (http://www.twitter.com/maxoregonian) wrote a series of tweets on telephone calls in the last days of the occupation between an FBI negotiator and now-defendants Jeff Banta and David Fry. These occurred when the FBI was seeking surrender of the last remaining occupiers. (Search on twitter for @maxoregonian (http://www.twitter.com/maxoregonian).) Bernstein also reports that the trial will resume on Monday, September 26, with testimony by 22 FBI agents about evidence recovered at the refuge. Firearm evidence will be presented on Tuesday, and the defense was told to be ready to start their case on Wednesday.

It looks like the trial is moving right along, but I won’t be surprised by any tactics the defense attorneys use to cause doubt in the minds of the jurors. It is their duty to present the best possible defense.

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[monty]

Dunbar’s ranch is immediately adjacent to the Malheur Refuge. He had great views of the observation tower. He testified about seeing men with long guns appearing to secure a perimeter. He said he saw, through binoculars, a person in the watch tower pointing a gun in his direction. He described the stressful situation in January, and that he still had to tend his cattle during the calving season. He also said he heard funfire on a number of days

Dunbar's "ranch" is 42 acres. Forty two acres won't support anyone in this day and age. He and his son were each paid $2000 by the FBI from early January until February for access to their property. I suspect the man has a full time job with one of the federal agencies.

Who in their right mind calves heifers in January? Sorta like catching carp frozen in the ice.

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Dunbar's "ranch" is 42 acres. Forty two acres won't support anyone in this day and age. He and his son were each paid $2000 by the FBI from early January until February for access to their property. I suspect the man has a full time job with one of the federal agencies.

Who in their right mind calves heifers in January? Sorta like catching carp frozen in the ice.

We call 42 acres a hobby farm, a nice place for ducks and geese, chickens and sheep.

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Dunbar's "ranch" is 42 acres. Forty two acres won't support anyone in this day and age. He and his son were each paid $2000 by the FBI from early January until February for access to their property. I suspect the man has a full time job with one of the federal agencies.

Who in their right mind calves heifers in January? Sorta like catching carp frozen in the ice.

There are people who calve that early but they need a shed to calve in and they need to watch the cattle round the clock during calving. I suppose the weather is similar to where I live maybe without as much wind. I've traveled through that area in winter and it was cold and there was plenty of snow. The reason some do that is because they move their cattle to summer grazing and want the calves big enough to move with their mothers when the grass has grown enough for grazing.

Dunbar and his son must have more land than that somewhere if they make their living running cattle as he said. He may own enough land in other locations to grow feed and hold cattle when they can't be grazing. He would also need to have grazing permits to move them too when allowed by the BLM.

Dunbar may very well have income from anther source than cattle. I don't think Tom Davis of "The cowboy and the Lady" owns very much land either but he also deals in real estate besides running some bucking horses for putting on rodeos.

I don't think Dunbar will have endeared himself to other ranchers in the area taking money from the FBI and testifying for them against the Bundys. I'm pretty sure the BLM won't be cutting the number of cattle that he can run on permits either like they did to other ranchers. I'd sure as hell lose respect for and avoid a guy that would help the BLM and FBI like he's done against the Hammonds and Bundys.

[monty]

Apparently Dunbar's cattle are under fence. He probaly has corrals and a barn where he can keep watch over the cows that are ready to calve and are calving.

My father bred his sheep to lamb about the 20th of January because there generally was a break in the winter cold the old timers referred to as the January thaw. He had pens in the barn for the newborns. Some winters the weather didn't co-operate and we had newborn lambs in the house next to the stove drying them so they didn't freeze to death.

It definitely was a 24 hour job. Some winters it was 15 below in early January. If I recall correctly we checked the sheep every two hours through the night.

[monty]

Fred Kelly Grant was one of the lawyers who was on E. Wayne Hage's team in Hage v. US

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/23/startling-thought-provoking-new-analysis-of-lavoy-finicum-shooting/#comment-2237

Startling & Thought-Provoking New Analysis of LaVoy Finicum Shooting — with Additional Commentary by Attorney Fred Grant

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If you have been following our commentary and coverage of the Oregon Standoff Tria (http://rangefire.us/2016/09/13/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-live-coverage-commentary/)l (or anyone else’s), you know that evidence regarding the shooting death of LaVoy Finicum has become a major point of contention in the case.

Supposedly there is an ongoing FBI investigation regarding a coverup by FBI HRT agents involved in that incident. In light of all this subject matter, new videos, anonymously produced, and recently posted on social media, are particularly thought provoking. In addition to the first general analysis video, we have now also added an additional video devoted to analysis of the purpose of the FBI foam bullet.

Below the videos you can also find exclusive, inside analysis and commentary by Attorney Fred Kelly Grant.


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AS AN OLD, CURMUDEONLY, DISTRUSTING PROSECUTING ATTORNEY I WOULD CHARGE THAT LAVOY FINICUM WAS MURDERED IN THE FIRST DEGREE WITH PREMEDITATION AND DELIBERATION — Fred Kelly Grant

I have written only one other time about what I thought of the shooting of LaVoy Finicum as an unnecessary, and deliberate acceleration of the “take over” of the Malheur Wildlife buildings in Oregon. And, I haven’t followed the case since visiting with Mrs. Finicum and her deciding to seek counsel elsewhere. I presented her with a plan of action designed to do two things (1) secure her financial assistance for the rest of her life under the Civil Rights Act, and (2) to protect her ranch from what someone will someday do to try to take it. When she chose to go elsewhere, I did not think it appropriate for me to write more about the case, and I have done nothing but follow the news stories of the enormous failures of due process of law regarding the defendants who were arrested. During my prosecutorial and defense career I have seen first degree murderers who frightened jailers treated less severely than what the press reports about the treatment of these men.

I have just watched [the YouTube videos shown above]. I have not and will not name the person who sent me the link because I would not want him linked to my absolute statements in this piece. But, there is full transparency as to who is showing the video and why.

On the basis of the video, as a prosecutor, I would file first degree, premeditated murder charges against officers who shot the deadly shots and at least accomplice before the fact against the officer who fired the foam bullet that caused Finicum to put his hands to the left of his chest.


I would argue to any Grand Jury and to any Petit Jury that his firing of that foam bullet, and then running out of sight instead of trying to subdue a man he knew he had only wounded, was proof that he was the “set up” man. Those of you who have seen the prior films and photos will no doubt remember that LaVoy Finicum got out of the vehicle with his hands in the air, arms fully outstretched, in an obvious surrender move.



Someone, somehow, had to make it appear that he was going to reach for a weapon. I know I could secure an indictment for first degree murder from a Grand Jury, so my focus here is on how I would talk to the members of the Petit Jury. My question to them in closing argument would be simply “If he were going to resist armed officers why did he come out of the vehicle with his arms high in the air; why didn’t he come out shooting? Think about that for just a moment, in fact, think about it for about ten seconds while I watch the clock and keep quiet.”

Jurors do that, they think when you give them moments of silence. More impact comes from their silent thought about your question, than if you immediately answered it for them.

Then my argument would go something like this: Keep in mind, ladies and gentlemen, he had already been shot at in the vehicle at least twice. He had already told the others in the vehicle that ‘they are going to kill us’. So, why, in the name of common sense, did he come out with his hands up so high in the air that he couldn’t possibly get to a gun without being gunned down. No, you members of this jury are regular people, with regular minds, and the voir dire showed that you have the ability to listen, but more importantly to hear, and to think. You demonstrated that in your answers to the questions put to you by defense counsel and I. With that ability, with that sense, you cannot possibly watch the video you just saw without observing:


The FBI set up the roadblock in a position that violated every rule of police safety for roadblocks—safety for themselves as well as the public;
The placement of that roadblock on a virtually blind curve with the snow banks along the highway so that a vehicle they knew was traveling at a high rate of speed would not see it in time to avoid acceleration of the situation involving a “take over” of a wildlife center in the winter;
Firing shots at the vehicle as it was still moving toward them at a high rate of speed, not knowing whether those shots would cause the car to crash into their parked cars, perhaps injuring or killing their own;
LaVon getting out of the vehicle with his hands in the air even as he exited the door; he didn’t just put them up once he was outside, he had them up when he came out of the vehicle.
His hands and arms were in the air, arms completely upstretched like this—-in as well known a surrender symbol as any symbol known to any one of you or any one of your family who has ever watched a western movie, comedy or detective show.
As he walks with his hands empty and his arms upstretched to their highest, had anyone shot to kill him, it would have been too clearly a murder, so he had to be set up.
Now we reach the unidentified officer who fires at LaVoy and we know from the evidence that he fired a foam bullet at his left chest; we see it strike LaVoy. You have heard our testimony as to the impact of such a foam bullet from the distance it was fired. The impact hurt him.


Think about it for just a moment—take a moment of silence while I shut up for a moment, and think about being hit in the chest with such velocity—what is the first thing you would do? Just think. ………And I know because I know you are reasoning people that during that silence you would have grabbed at that spot where you were hit.

When we see a football player go down in a pile we see him grab his knee or his shoulder or his ankle; when we see a basketball player twist his knee, what does he do? He grabs that knee. When we see a batter hit by a fast ball what does he do? Before he threatens the pitcher he reaches and grabs at the point at which the ball hit. I used to tell my young ball players “rub it off” when a baseball took a bad bounce. It is not some mystical theory as the defense would have you accept without using the common sense that you brought into this court room. It is a reaction we see in life, in person, or on television every day of our lives.



LaVoy did exactly what you thought about when I graced you with a few seconds of silence awhile ago. He reached for the spot of the pain.
And, that ladies and gentlemen, gave the killers the excuse they give you here—the excuse that they thought he was going for a gun.


I look at these experienced defendants at the table and wonder whether they really think that you twelve souls believe that they really feared he was going for a gun inside his heavy coat when he could have come out of that car shooting had that been his intent.

I ask you ladies and gentlemen to look at these defendants—you’ve heard about their training, their expertise, their policy of de-escalation—look them in the eyes and tell me whether you think they were that dumb. No. No. No. They were not.




10. Where in the world, much less where in this courtroom to support his fellow officers, is the man who fired the foam bullet? You saw him fire, then turn and disappear behind the roadblock car—never to be heard from or identified again. He wasn’t just some bystander was he? He was one of these defendants’ comrades in arms. Where is he? Why is he not here so I could have asked him why he dashed away at a time when he could probably have subdued LaVoy who was reeling from the pain.




As you know, I asked the court to let you review that video in the jury room and within his lawful discretion he denied my request. He granted the defense objection. But the fact that you don’t have it with you doesn’t remove it from your minds and memories.

You’ve heard days of evidence as to the “take over”, the reasons for it, the reasons why the Government could not allow it to continue, the idea that LaVoy Finicum and his friends or “co-defendants” as the defense would call them, set out to speak to a sheriff. You’ve heard those days of testimony because in the American system of justice designed by our Founders we give these defendants more chance than they gave LaVoy on that Oregon highway.

Were it not for this video you saw, it might be a bit difficult for me to argue that this is a case of premeditated first degree murder. I still would have felt justified in arguing that the law was broken by these defendants in whom we place our trust for law enforcement—but maybe not premeditated, deliberate, first degree murder.

With the video, I have no qualms, no hesitance, in asking you to find that beyond every possible reasonable doubt, these men are guilty of taking the life of LaVoy Finicum intentionally and with premeditation.

What it took God years to develop into a hard working rancher, a good husband and father to eleven children— this man LaVoy Finicum— it took these defendants less than twenty seconds to destroy. You twelve, sworn and true, are the source for what earthly justice we can give him, his wife, his children. I ask you most earnestly to return verdicts of guilty—–guilty of murder in the first degree.”

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Some history on Fred Kelly Grant


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In this photo taken Nov. 18, 2011, Idaho property-rights lawyer Fred Kelly Grant poses for a picture at his home office in Nampa, Idaho. Grant is promoting a strategy for counties that he says will help them take on the federal government, on hot-button issues including wolves, U.S. Forest Service road closures and the removal of dams on the Klamath River in California. (Associated Press)

A 75-year-old lawyer who fought private property rights battles alongside Idaho U.S. Rep. Helen Chenoweth and her Nevada rancher husband Wayne Hage in the 1990s is still cultivating the Sagebrush Rebellion’s roots and earning handsome speaking fees from conservative audiences across the West.


Associated Press writer John Miller has been looking into the efforts of Frank Kelly Grant to carry on where Reagan administration Interior Secretary and Sagebrush Rebellion crusader James Watt left off before he was booted out of government for, among other things, his attempt to privatize federal lands.


Read on for the AP Story.


A 75-year-old lawyer who fought private property rights battles alongside Idaho U.S. Rep. Helen Chenoweth and her Nevada rancher husband Wayne Hage in the 1990s is still cultivating the Sagebrush Rebellion’s roots and earning handsome speaking fees from conservative audiences across the West.


Fred Kelly Grant has been slowed by age and heart surgery, but he’s in demand from counties — and tea partyers who attend his $150-per-person seminars — as conservative elements in the West’s continue to clash with the federal government.


California’s Siskiyou County is paying Grant $10,000 to help block removal of four Klamath River dams. Montana and Idaho counties have enlisted him to trim hated wolf populations and thwart U.S. Forest Service road closures.


What Grant preaches is “coordination,” the theory that federal agencies by law must deal with local governments when revising their public land travel plans or protecting endangered species. Grant insists he’s not reviving the discredited “county supremacy” movement, in which a Nevada county once threatened federal employees with prosecution.


“This is not nullification,” simply ignoring federal mandates, he told The Associated Press. “Coordination is working within the system to try and make the system work.”


Hage, who died in 2006, epitomized the Sagebrush Rebellion by battling the federal government over water rights. Chenoweth, killed the same year in a car crash, worried that federal agents would arrive aboard black helicopters to enforce the Endangered Species Act.


Grant, a former federal prosecutor in Maryland who once helped guide Stewards of the Range, the Hage family’s property-rights nonprofit, started his own foundation last year. He, a son and daughter-in-law now give seminars, often to tea party groups, on how locals can demand coordination when Washington, D.C. isn’t listening.


Grant insists he’s no radical, but he’s not above fanning the flames. In 2009, he told a crowd angry about road closures in California’s Shasta-Trinity National Forest that he once dismissed those who claimed the United Nations and U.S. government sought to eliminate people from public land as crackpots who saw “a communist behind every sagebrush.”


“I thought it was a conspiratorial theory,” Grant said, in video footage. “It’s not.”


Some environmentalists are dubious of Grant’s “coordination,” saying it’s so much fodder on the conservative rubber-chicken circuit for a restive Western audience long unhappy with federal management of vast tracts of public land.


“He’s saying a county should adopt its own plan, and the federal government is obliged to make sure its plan is consistent with the local plan,” said Jon Marvel, Western Watersheds Project director in Hailey, Idaho. “It’s nullification by another name.”


Grant insists federal courts side with him.


In 2001, a U.S. District Court judge in Utah ordered the Bureau of Land Management to remove wild horses resettled in Uintah County, in part because the agency didn’t coordinate with local officials.
“Coordination does not mean the county gets its way,” Grant said. “What it means is, the federal government should be discussing policy with the county, and considering alternatives.”


He cites Idaho’s Owyhee County, where he says coordination between locals and the BLM beginning in 1990 resolved grazing disputes — and led to ranchers’ support for 500,000 acres of federally protected wilderness created here in 2009.


In California’s Modoc County, officials say coordination begun in 1993 helped resolve disputes, including halting plans to curtail grazing.


“The federal government is the one that’s ultimately calling the shots on the federal land,” said Tim Burke, BLM field manager in Alturas, Calif. “But the federal government is definitely interested in what the county has to say.”


Idaho’s Benewah and Custer counties and Montana’s Ravalli County enlisted Grant’s help as they aim to reduce wolves and reopen backcountry roads closed by the Forest Service and BLM.


“They’re not giving us a say in how they’re managing our land,” said Custer County Commissioner Doyle Lamb.


Ravalli County Commissioner Matt Kanenwisher says he’s seen some changes in how federal agencies in Montana respond to counties, but says time will tell if they’re taking coordination seriously.


“In the view of coordination, counties aren’t a stakeholder — they’re a partner,” he said.


Almost nowhere has Grant’s message resonated more deeply than in California’s Siskiyou County, in 14,179-foot Mt. Shasta’s shadow. “Coordination” became a catch phrase in the battle over whether four Klamath River dams should be dynamited to help endangered salmon.


Craig Tucker, a spokesman for the Karuk Indian Tribe that favors dam removal, first heard the word after Grant gave a seminar in nearby Redding in 2009 attended by dam-removal foes.


“Now, when those guys open their mouths, the first thing they start talking about is coordination,” Tucker said. “It seems to me Fred Kelly Grant has sold people a bill of goods that amounts to snake oil.”


Jim Cook, a Siskiyou commissioner who attended Grant’s Redding seminar, said Tucker and federal managers dismiss coordination at their own peril.


Maybe it’s not a silver bullet, “but you do make them explain why they do things,” Cook said. “That makes the agencies squirm. It asks, ‘Can you come in front of a judge and explain why you blew this policy off?’ "


In an Oct. 19 letter, Cook threatened U.S. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar with a lawsuit for “failing to coordinate your dam destruction decision with Siskiyou County. We will not stand idly by and allow you to continue to violate the law,” Cook wrote.


Salazar’s agency responded Nov. 4, citing 27 meetings with county officials since 2010.
Department of Interior lawyers contend Cook misinterprets federal laws purporting to require coordination.


“We’re under no obligation to actually coordinate with these entities,” said federal Bureau of Reclamation spokesman Pete Lucero. “What this really boils down to is the fact that we don’t agree. The fact that we fail to agree does not mean there’s a failure to cooperate with each other.”


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I went looking for the video that "Call of Duty Goddess" did where she pointed out that it looked like Lavoy pointed at the foam bullet shooter after he fired. She said Lavoy pointed at him and said "he shot me". She has taken it down but I'd sure like to look at it again.

If I were on the jury and Fred Grant was the prosecutor against those who murdered Lavoy Finicum I'd find them guilty and want them punished to the full extent of the law. SOB's

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I thought I'd repost this video of former army ranger John Moore and his thoughts on the murder of Lavoy Finicum. This video was posted on the 12th of February 2016 and fits well with the recent videos and analysis of the murder posted above. ^




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[monty]

I were on the jury and Fred Grant was the prosecutor against those who murdered Lavoy Finicum I'd find them guilty and want them punished to the full extent of the law. SOB's

I would also. The evidence speaks for itself. There was a group trying to get indictments against those who murdered LaVoy. I haven't read anthing about any progress recently.

[monty]

A point of view from The Cowboy and the Lady,

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BLINDLY LEAD CHARACTER ASSASSINATION OF A LIFE & FREEDOM OF MANY

By The Cowboy and the Lady (https://www.facebook.com/ThomRene2016/) · Updated about an hour ago


As we began covering the Malheur Refuge story, way back what seems a lifetime ago...because it was a lifetime ago for one man we knew, Lavoy Finicum. Lavoy, in our opinion, was assassinated and now we see character assassination in full throttle against good men/women.

We started this journey into truth of the situation, facts surrounding the Hammond wrongful incarceration and Bundy attempts to have them vindicated.

As the months passed and evidence a plenty gave proof to the innocence of the Hammonds we continued covering the US vs. Bundy et al case. Much to our disappointment the facts have not seemed to matter as the Federal Prosecutors continue to create their own story line, use false witness and turn the facts upside down to their benefit.

We also see a Patriot world turned upside down by deception and lies, trickery of words and the innocence of those in Harney abused to manipulate another narrative, the destruction of the Patriot movement via infighting to the enth degree. We believe that pious fraud was used in an attempt to believe the end justified the means in allowing very unsavory folks to participate with Bundy and crew.

It has been masterful in the execution, both of Lavoy and the Patriot movement itself.

This tells us that the people have the Corporate US structure in a panic or there would not be so many informants and so much spent to destroy good people. Do you know that the amount of 100 MILLION is the number already being said to have been spent on this Refuge stand and trial? 100 HUNDRED million! That friends is beyond comprehensible even to the simplest man or woman.

So, as we see it, the Blind were leading the blind as they followed the "manipulators, patriots for pay, informants and down right theatrical drama queens right into the laps of the destruction of the good name of patriots".

The Bundys were led by informants to make choices that have landed them behind bars as their character is also being assassinated. For all who have stood by the Bundy family this massacre of justice is impossible to fathom. To all who have stood by the Bundy family and given evidence of informants and criminals to them it is unfathomable that the bad elements were allowed to stay, and to the supporters this entire event from start to finish has the appearance of Federal staging, planting of people and lies to destroy all that the supporters have stood to protect.

Will the American people recover? We sure hope not, because the truth is BAM in your face that this country is in trouble when ranchers are being entrapped as thugs and thieves walk free to riot and kill. As thugs are jailed and released on bail pending trial yet the defendants still behind bars in this case and the Nevada case are held without bail and many having no prior convictions or rap sheet. (unlike those surrounding the defense with some having rap sheets so long one has to turn pages). Well folks, we have shared the evidence, said our peace and now we pray for the entire truth to roll out so we can roll up the saddle blanket and go home knowing we did our best to get you the facts, some facts sure got us beat up for sharing, but all we can say is that we stood to help the men and the information we shared right from the get go should have freed them...go figure! just like a green horse one doesn't know how long it will take to ride without a buckin and man have we done all we can to go the 8.

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Krista Miller ive appreciated all your's and Thom's time and work. Thank you.

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There is speculation among some posting on the internet that Michele Fiore, Gavin Seim and COWS (Coalition of Western States) set this protest up. One of the posters is supposed to testify this mext week. Maybe some information will come out in the trial.

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Environmentalists pushing for conviction in Malheur Protest case

Judge Brown still has to rule on Shawna Cox's latest motion on jurisdiction.

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Environmentalists Desperate for Convictions? — Bundy Convictions a “Must”

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According to Energy & Environment Publishing’s Greenwire News (http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060043184), the trial of leaders of the armed standoff at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge represents a make-or-break moment in efforts to quash the anti-public-lands movement in the West.

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Note: We’ve said it over and over again, here at RANGEFIRE! we have no interest in being a single-dimensional echo chamber. We acknowledge that there are always multiple sides to every story. In the West, there is an old saying to the effect that: “good fences make good neighbors.” At RANGEfire! we acknowledge our virtual neighbors on this virtual landscape. We think it is important for people to have an opportunity to hear all sides of the story, and know what others are saying about these issues. So we often share what others are saying. In this case, E&E Greenwire has provided extensive and in our view highly-biased coverage of the Oregon Standoff itself, and everything related to it, including the current trial in Progress in Portland (http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060043184).

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According to E&E Greenwire News (http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060043184), “If the government fails to secure convictions for the seven defendants in the Portland, Ore., proceedings that began last week, it could embolden their followers to stage more protests of federal land management policies.


“It is extremely important that our justice system come through and convict these guys,” said former Interior Deputy Secretary David Hayes.
Hayes added that the trial needs to send a “message” to defendant Ammon Bundy, the leader of the 41-day armed standoff, and his supporters.

“If there are no consequences to a physical takeover of public lands, this is what they want,” said Hayes, who is now a law professor at Stanford University. “They want to whip up a sense of entitlement to take actions that are clearly illegal.”

Observers added that the trial is also an opportunity for the government to make up for what many characterized as a failed response to the 2014 standoff at the Bundys’ ranch in Bunkerville, Nev.

There, Bundy’s father, Cliven, led an armed rebellion against Bureau of Land Management officials over a roundup of cattle due to $1.1 million in unpaid grazing fees. Out of concerns for safety, federal officials ultimately backed down, though Cliven Bundy and his sons face separate trials on charges stemming from that event.


The high-profile nature of the current case may explain why federal prosecutors opted to charge the defendants with conspiracy — a charge that veteran attorneys say is typically easier to prove in front of a jury.



Specifically, the government charged 26 occupiers with conspiracy to impede federal officials through threats, intimidation or force during the standoff that ended Feb. 11. The current trial is for seven defendants, five of whom also face charges of possession of a firearm on federal property.

Conspiracy is a felony, and, if convicted, the defendants will likely face several years in prison.
However, the government likely could have filed more significant charges, including trespassing or domestic terrorism. It also did not file significant destruction of government property charges, even though officials have said the occupation has cost taxpayers some $9 million.

Vermont Law School professor Pat Parenteau said prosecutors have discretion over what charges are filed. In this case, the U.S. attorney’s office likely didn’t want to “overcharge,” meaning file charges on which it would be difficult to persuade a jury to convict. If anything, prosecutors likely wanted to “undercharge,” he said.
“An acquittal,” Parenteau said, “would be a disaster.”

‘Easier to prove’

Conspiracy has long been a favorite among prosecutors.

In 1925, federal Judge Learned Hand famously called conspiracy the “darling of the modern prosecutor’s nursery” because of its advantages.

To prove conspiracy, the bar is relatively low, said Tung Yin of Lewis & Clark Law School, who has been following the case.

Prosecutors need only show that there was agreement to commit an unlawful act and that there was some sort of overt act toward furthering the conspiracy.

The government need not prove, however, that every member of the conspiracy agreed to every part of the conspiracy. The act taken to further the conspiracy, moreover, doesn’t itself need to be illegal.


“What makes it powerful is that the government doesn’t have to prove that these guys actually impeded government employees,” Yin said, “only that they agreed to do so.”



And the agreement doesn’t need to be formalized or in writing. That is what makes the reams of Facebook data taken from the defendants’ accounts so important to the prosecution’s case, Yin said.

Last week, the government spent days introducing posts from those accounts in which the defendants instructed followers to come to the refuge and to bring their guns.

Kevin Sali, a Portland-based criminal defense attorney, said the conspiracy charge allowed the prosecution to cast a wide net in charging many of the occupiers.

“It is easier to prove,” Sali said. “Once you prove that people agreed to do something unlawful, that’s it.”

That may explain why 11 of the 26 people charged pleaded guilty to the charge, including Ryan Payne, another leader of the standoff. (Several others asked to have their trial delayed; they are due in court in February.)

Michael Blumm, another law professor at Lewis & Clark, said prosecutors may also be motivated by another factor: that Ammon Bundy, his brother Ryan and the other defendants refused to plead guilty.

U.S. attorneys, he said, dislike expending resources on cases where there is overwhelming evidence of the defendants’ guilt, as there is here due to the voluminous Facebook data and media coverage of the standoff.


The defendants, he said, could have faced reduced prison time if they had pleaded guilty. Because they didn’t, prosecutors will likely seek maximum sentences in the trial that is expected to last two to three months.



Instead, Blumm said, it appears the Bundys are looking to advance their protest over federal land ownership via the trial — even though federal District Judge Anna Brown repeatedly admonished lawyers last week for bringing up the subject because it is not relevant to the charges.

Blumm added that there simply is no legal basis for the Bundys’ constitutional argument over federal land ownership (Greenwire (http://www.eenews.net/greenwire/stories/1060030897), Jan. 20).

“That train sailed 175 years ago,” he said.

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Michele Fiore made a secret recording with Mark McConnell when she and another fellow met him to recover Ammon Bundy's personal things left in McConnell's jeep


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There is an interesting exchange on "Cliven Bundy's Army" facebook page:


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Michele Fiore met with Mark McConnell to pick up Ammons briefcase and cowboy hat that were left in Mark's jeep. She secretly recorded her conversation with him. His video plays first and then her recording, some of which is transcribed due to traffic background noise. DML interview with Ammon and Ryan follows.

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Jonathon Skipper Speece Technically I met with him, I had Michele show up so I could have a witness when I retrieved Ammon's belongings.
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Teresa Brookshire Thank you for clarifying!
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Jonathon Skipper Speece He wanted to come to the ranch. Yeah, not happening. We met up at a public truck stop on I-15
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Teresa Brookshire Yes, you could definitely hear the trucks. Was he saying Brian Cavaliers phone was still in his jeep?
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Jonathon Skipper Speece Not according to the search warrant he showed me.
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Teresa Brookshire Jonathon Skipper Speece (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=bAQEPyKH3) got it.
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Jonathon Skipper Speece I took photos of it, I'll see if I still have them
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Jonathon Skipper Speece Supposedly that black Samsung phone was booda's. Booda did have a black Samsung phone. I saw it when he came down to the ranch for a few days. He lost his white one when he got arrested in AZ for an outstanding warranthttps://fbcdn-photos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xat1/v/t1.0-0/p240x240/14359165_10207654437381402_325216026081922881_n.jp g?oh=c3d55426450710b593b6bf888bbfd719&oe=58861C55&__gda__=1483009790_99a94eccb39265ff3659669f30c7d08 a
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Teresa Brookshire Very good!
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Bill Goode Very well handled, Jonathon Skipper Speece (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=4AQHWIrKJ).
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Dave Walker Lol There's more than one douche informant. I would lay money on it.
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Jonathon Skipper Speece I'm pretty sure.
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Dave Walker yeah, me too.
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Jonathon Skipper Speece Question is, did Booda turn while in jail, or was he always a rat?
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Jonathon Skipper Speece And according to one of the police reports I saw online, sounds like there was a female informant.
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Dave Walker no question in my mind
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Andie Basse I was thinking the guy who was supposed to gp in lavoys truck but they couldnt find right before leaving was an informant. I think lavoys truck had a date with the firing squad. Was shot at driven into the roadblock and meant to get into a gunfight with osp on live video. Either was an informant in there or they all stayed out knowing it would be lit up
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Bill Goode Skipper (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=HAQFLoC35), female informant - MD Laughter possibly?
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James Karma Bishop Bill Goode (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=eAQHgWrdx) oh and another Informant this gets more interesting with every new Post that I Read.
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Bill Goode No certainty that MD was an informant, merely a possibility, as it's in her nature, and Skipper said there was a possibility of a female informant.
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James Karma Bishop Bill Goode (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=AAQE4QT9B) I without a Doubt Seriously think that the Death of Robert Lavoy Finnicum was Premeditated.
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Andie Basse Me too elite snipers dont miss but they can drive you into a roadblock. Is it confirmed that ryans shoulder wound was shrapnel? Wouldnt suprise me if they shot him in the shoulder to get him to get in a dramatic shootout with osp all caught on camera
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James Karma Bishop Andie Basse (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=EAQHsgS5u) If Robert Lavoy Finnicum would not have been Murdered the Trial would be going alot Different.
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Bill Goode Absolutely killing LaVoy was premeditated. All one has to do is listen to Butch Eaton's interview he gave on 15 March. The FBI interviewed Butch on 3 January and asked him SPECIFICALLY ABOUT LAVOY, TO CONFIRM BUTCH SAW LAVOY AT THE REFUGE THE DAY BEFORE. Yes, no doubt about it, the killing of LaVoy was absolutely premeditated by the FBI.
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Andie Basse If you listen to shawnas interview she states someone else was supposed to film and they couldnt find them so she went. Whoever that was knew
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James Karma Bishop Andie Basse (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=tAQGcra0W) The Question is, is who was supposed to Film and what did they know ?
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Andie Basse I think she says his name would have to listen to the interview again
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Andie Basse Oh they knew that truck was going to get lit up like an xmas tree
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Andie Basse Not to get in it
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James Karma Bishop Andie Basse (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=yAQGH8bcR) Why did they want that Specific Person to Film.
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James Karma Bishop Andie Basse (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=wAQHszJFq) The Phrase Lit up like an Xmas Tree is very Scairy.
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Bill Goode Andie Basse (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=TAQFATsIP) It was David Fry that was supposed to go to John Day to film, but Shawna took his place, when he couldn't be found. David is certainly no informant, but he was supposed to go, as he did a lot of LaVoy's filming.
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James Karma Bishop Andie Basse (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=QAQGR7L62) You are meaning to say that, that Specific person who was Supposed to Film the whole thing may have been Warned not to go or knew something was going to happen ?
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Andie Basse Ur sure it was fry? I didnt remember his name ill have to listen to the interview again
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James Karma Bishop Andie Basse (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=LAQH6MagP) I'm Putting all the Facts Together and all of the Pieces Together.
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Andie Basse At 640ish she mentions that they couldnt find someone who was supposed to be in lavoys truck. She doesnt state a name in this interview
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Andie Basse He bill mentions its fry please post a link to confirm tht if it wasnt fry thats your second informant
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John Kolak Andie Basse (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=qAQGMQDg9) I think if it was shrapnel, they would not have left it in his shoulder because of sharp edges. I believe I read that Ryan said he saw the x-ray, and it was clearly in the form of a bullet, but after reading so much, it's hard to remember everything clearly.
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Bill Goode Andie Basse (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=xAQFSIP9U), Yes, I'm sure. Shawna herself told me Fry was supposed to go, but they couldn't find him. So she volunteered to go.
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Bill Goode I just checked Shawna's affidavit again. It was David Fry that was supposed to go.
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Bill Goode My suspicion is growing that if there was a second informant, it was MD Laughter. I've been told she has, since the Refuge, been trashing the Bundys, a really dumb thing to do.
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Andie Basse I know a billion people will stick up for fry or payne but anyone who got out or didnt get in lavoys truck id suspect a little. Payne and fry had a fued too.
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Andie Basse Im not talking shit or trying to start any just noted
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Bill Goode Skipper (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=SAQHHrrsF), is there a reason you can tell us why this took so long to release? It's been almost 8 months since recorded.
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Andie Basse A trooper just confirmed mcconel is an informant
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Jonathon Skipper Speece I swore Michele put this out there a while back. I don't know, I've slept since then.
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Michelle Arnett This was posted yesterday, does anyone know them?

Lisa Bundy
Yesterday at 9:27pm
Attention: Paid Informants in the Refuge case with my husband....the father and son DUNBAR ranchers. Paid $4000 total. Each receiving $2000. They did nothing but lie through their teeth on the stand. The receipt was made known in court.

Finding this stuff out....it doesn't make me mad, but sad.
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Bill Goode Michelle Arnett (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=dAQEn3vNN), who or what is the "them" that you are asking about and referring to?
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John Kolak I think she means the nearby ranchers, the Dunbar family that just came up in the trial. Lisa says their testimony was perjury.
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Bill Goode OK, got it.
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Bill Goode Thom Davis (https://www.facebook.com/Thomandhunter?hc_location=ufi) and / or Chris Briels (https://www.facebook.com/chris.briels?hc_location=ufi), both living in Harney Co, do you know the Dunbars?
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Michelle Arnett John Kolak (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=EAQHsgS5u), yes, thank you, that is who I was referring to as "them".
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Jonathon Skipper Speece When Michele and here party walk up to the car she mentioned that was in front of Mark's Jeep, that was me greeting Michele at first, not Mark.
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Teresa Brookshire Scroll back to Thursday, I posted the tweets from Maxine from court. A couple of discussions from where I posted this elsewhere was that when the Dunbars first became alarmed was when many vehicles were turning around in their driveway and several men running through their property. They contacted the sheriffs depart and were told to cut their lights off and lock their doors. They did not dispatch anyone to investigate. Their property is across the road from one area of the refuge. The son actually went to the refuge himself, to the entrance on his quad and engaged with others there, a few who were drinking a beer and he participated also (none of the occupiers were drinking.). The FBI used their property to conduct surveillance and Mr. Dunbar testified at one time he could see someone in the tower pointing a weapon at him. On cross, he concurred it could have been something else. The FBI paid them for the use of their property from Jan 2nd on, but it was not stated when they actually became aware the FBI was using their property. One post said the Dunbars did not want the money. Testimony was given that after LaVoy's death he came across one person coming out of the refuge through his property that was scared to death. All is paraphrased and what I can recall. So, could it have been the FBI that was turning around in his driveway and running through his land? Is that why Harney County did not dispatch anyone, because they already knew who it was? I wish one of the attorneys had asked if it were possible those turning around in his driveway and crossing his land were FBI agents.
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[monty]

Last week's trial recap from Redoubt News by Shari Dovale

http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/25/malheur-protest-trial-week-3-wrap/

Malhuer Protest Trial – Week 3 Wrap Up

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By Shari Dovale (http://redoubtnews.com/?s=Shari+Dovale)

The trial in Portland has proven to be enlightening, as the very least. Judge Anna Brown does not hide her bias against the defense. The government has not put on a very strong case, but Judge Brown is helping them all she can.

Ammon continues to wear his jail scrubs (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/18/malheur-protest-trial-week-2-wrap/) in a powerful political statement. Others have joined him, including protesters outside the courthouse. There is another defendant that wears scrubs daily and that is Neil Wampler. We are hoping that others will join them in this statement.


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John Lamb, organizing rallies outside of the Multnomah County jail

Details of LaVoy Finicum’s murder have seeped into the trial, with Judge Brown actively trying to keep it from the jury. She has threatened the defense attorneys with $1,000 fines if they continue to bring up the details or try to discuss the FBI cover-up in that case.

Brown has said that the fact of Finicum being shot by Law Enforcement is enough information. She also said that these actions, for the most part, happened after the events at the refuge, so they are not pertinent to the charge of conspiracy. She actually called it “irrelevant.”

However, co-defendant Jeff Banta only arrived at the refuge the night before LaVoy was murdered, so I would think this is very relevant in his case. The same with all of the ‘final four.’ Let’s hope their attorneys can make that point with the judge.

Mark McConnell (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/21/mcconnell-outed-government-informant/) was revealed to be a cooperating government witness. He provided detailed information on January 26th, including which vehicles were being driven that day, who was in each vehicle, and the threat assessment the FBI could face. This information allowed the FBI and Oregon State Police (OSP) to set up the stop at the illegal deadman’s roadblock and ultimately murder LaVoy Finicum.

The government continued with their witnesses, including a rancher named Dunbar, who lives adjacent to the Malheur Refuge. He admitted that he, and his son, each received $2,000 from the government for “services rendered’ during the month of January 2016. He did try to claim that he did not want the money, but was forced to admit on cross examination that he did not return it. It was a ‘significant amount of money’ for him, after all.

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Message from the Multnomah County Jail.

The government then proceeded to discuss the FBI negotiations with the final four after the arrests on January 26th. It was very hard to see the absolute lack of conscience these FBI special agents have towards the American public.

They know that they are allowed to lie to the people in this country, even though it is a crime for someone to lie right back to them. When the crisis negotiators talked to the protesters, they said whatever they had to say to achieve their ends. Truth was never the most important item on the agenda.

Next week will bring an end to the government’s case. They are projecting 2 days of evidence presentation, with individual FBI agents presenting each separate piece of evidence. The defense is expected to begin on

Wednesday, September 28th.
We will be there for you (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/25/we-are-getting-to-know-portland-oregon/).

[monty]

I went looking for the video that "Call of Duty Goddess" did where she pointed out that it looked like Lavoy pointed at the foam bullet shooter after he fired. She said Lavoy pointed at him and said "he shot me". She has taken it down but I'd sure like to look at it again.

If I were on the jury and Fred Grant was the prosecutor against those who murdered Lavoy Finicum I'd find them guilty and want them punished to the full extent of the law. SOB's

LaVoy points out person that takes first shot at him.


http://youtu.be/HRmbVDS4p4I

https://youtu.be/HRmbVDS4p4I

[monty]

There is a 13 minute facebook video of LaVoy and his brother at the refuge here. I don't know if it is on youtube or not.

https://www.facebook.com/gunflowers/videos/10208825867711128/

[monty]

Who are the officers Ammon Bundy is accused of impeding?That has been a question in my mind since I first read the charges. Do employees at a bird refuge meet the legal definition of "Officers"?


Burns Chronicles No 30 – Officer? What Officer?

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Gary Hunt
Outpost of Freedom
September 26, 2016

In the Indictments, both in Oregon and Nevada, there is one Count that raises some serious questions. The exact wording, to the extent of understanding the charges being made, is as follows:
For Oregon:

COUNT 1
(Conspiracy to Impede Officers of the United States)
(18 u.s.c. § 372)
On or about November 5, 2015, and continuing through February 12, 2016, in the District of Oregon, defendants…
It then goes on to list the Defendants and makes some rather general accusations, WITHOUT naming “Officers” or, how they were impeded.
Next, we look to the Nevada Indictment:

COUNT TWO
Conspiracy to Impede or Injure a Federal Officer
(Title 18, United States Code, Section 372)
Then, they go into a narrative, missing, of course, any named “Officers”, or any specific acts that constitute impeding.

The statute cited reads:
18 U.S.C. § 372 : US Code – Section 372: Conspiracy to impede or injure officer
If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both.

Now, our concern, as much as with the Indictments lacking specificity, is the Statute, itself. So, let’s first trace the history of the Statute, and then we will look into just who an “Officer” might be.
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On July 31, 1861, just four months after the start of the Civil War, Congress enacted the first statute (12 Stat 284 (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/12stat284=18USC372.pdf)) that addressed what eventually resolved down to 18 USC § 372:

An Act to define and punish certain Conspiracies
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That if two or more persons within any State or Territory of the United States shall conspire together to overthrow, or to put down, or to destroy by force, the Government of the United States, or to levy war against the United States, or to oppose by force the authority of the Government of the United States; or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States; or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States against the will or contrary to the authority of the United States; or by force, or intimidation, or threat to prevent any person from accepting or holding any office, or trust, or place of confidence, under the United States; each and every person so offending shall be guilty of a high crime, and upon conviction thereof in any district or circuit court of the United States, having jurisdiction thereof, or district or supreme court of any Territory of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not less than five hundred dollars and not more than five thousand dollars; or by imprisonment, with or without hard labor, as the court shall determine, for a period not less than six months not greater than six years, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
APPROVED, July 31, 1861.

By 1909, in 35 Stat 1092 (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/35_stat_1092.pdf), the particulars of § 372 had been separated from other elements. This is the first codification of the Statutes, and this section would fall under “Crimes – Chapter One. – Offenses Against the Existence of the Government”, at:
SEC. 21 . If two or more persons in any State, Territory, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof ; or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave any State, Territory, District, or place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined not more than five thousand dollars, or imprisoned not more than six years, or both.

There is no significant change when the method of codification was changed, by 62 Stat 701, with the exception of adding, “to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office“.

In 1948, with the adoption of 62 Stat 701 (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/62_stat_701.pdf), we see the adoption of the current form of statute identification, of “Title 18 – Crimes and Criminal Procedures”
§ 372. CONSPIRACY TO IMPEDE OR INJURE OFFICER
If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined not more than $5,000 or imprisoned not more than six years, or both.

This is nearly identical to the existing statute, 18 US Code § 372, shown first above.
So, now let’s look at just which members of government were the subjects of the protection afforded by the statute. In the Indictments and the statutes, reference is made only to “Officers”. So, is any employee of government an “Officer”? Or, is that title reserved only to a certain character of those who work for the government?

First, we need to know what the Constitution says about “officers”, though we need not consider Officers in Congress, the Judicial Branch, or the Military, as surely, none of those was present at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. Any other reference to “officers”, we find the Article II – The Executive Branch. In Section 2, clause 2, we find:
He [President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to … appoint … Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

Then, in Section 3:
He shall … Commission all the Officers of the United States.
So, though the Courts of Law and Heads of Departments may commission officers, if Congress so decrees, the President still has to “commission such officers”.

And, in Section 4:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
So, unlike employees, officers can only be removed by the impeachment process, as administered by the Congress.

But, from a practical standpoint, other officers became necessary. During Prohibition, officers were designated to execute search warrants. A challenge was made over their constitutional, as explained above. This is what the Supreme Court said in Steele v U S 267 US 505 (1925), in broadening the previous limitation on what Officers were. Here are a few excerpts from that decision:
The argument is that the prohibition agent is appointed by the Commissioner of Internal Revenue, and therefore is only an employee and not a civil officer of the government in the constitutional sense, because such an officer under article 2, section 2, of the Constitution can only be appointed either by the President and the Senate, the President alone, the courts of law, or the heads of departments.

This was the challenge that Steele had set before the Court, and which the Court had to decide. There had yet to be a case where the expansion of the constitutional limitation was put to the test.

It is quite true that the words ‘officer of the United States,’ when employed in the statutes of the United States, is to be taken usually to have the limited constitutional meaning.

So, the Court decides to take on the task. Even though there was no commission from the President, the enactment, by the Congress, of certain laws, had to grant such status to fulfill the duties assigned:
‘The Commissioner, his assistants, agents, and inspectors, and all other officers of the United States, whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws, shall have all the power … in the enforcement of this act or any provisions thereof which is conferred by law for the enforcement of existing laws relating to the manufacture or sale of intoxicating liquors under the law of the United States.’

So, the exception made is where a duty requires enforcement or service, to create that official (officer) capacity. Since that time, those positions that are within this expanded scope of the definition appear to have a prefix to their title that establishes that status.

To understand this, let’s look back at how the government dealt with multiple deaths in the Oklahoma City Bombing (April 19, 1993). What we are concerned with is how the deaths were treated — were they all considered to have been “killed” by the acts of McVeigh, or were some simply “deaths”, collateral damage”, as a result the truck bomb. From the McVeigh Indictment (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/McVeigh_Indictment.pdf):
COUNTS FOUR THROUGH ELEVEN
(First Degree Murder)
The Grand Jury further charges:
On or about April 19, 1995, at Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, in the Western District of Oklahoma,
TIMOTHY JAMES McVEIGH
and
TERRY LYNN NICHOLS,
the defendants herein, did unlawfully, willfully, deliberately, maliciously, and with premeditation and malice aforethought, kill, and aid, abet and cause the killing of, the following persons while they were engaged in and on account of the performance of official duties as law enforcement officers:
Name/Position:
COUNT: FOUR Name/Position: Mickey Bryant Maroney Special Agent United States Secret Service
COUNT: FIVE Name/Position: Donald R. Leonard Special Agent United States Secret Service
COUNT: SIX Alan Gerald Whicher Assistant Special Agent in Charge United States Secret Service
COUNT: SEVEN Cynthia Lynn Campbell-Brown Special Agent United States Secret Service
COUNT: EIGHT Kenneth Glenn McCullough Special Agent United States Drug Enforcement Administration
COUNT: NINE Paul Douglas Ice Special Agent United States Customs Service
COUNT: TEN Claude Arthur Medearis Special Agent United States Customs Service
COUNT: ELEVEN Paul G. Broxterman Special Agent Department of Housing and Urban Development Office of Inspector General
All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1114, 1111 and 2(a)&(b); and Title 28, Code of Federal Regulations, Section 64.2(h).
When we look at 18 US Code §§ 1114 & 1111, we find that 1114 says,
Whoever kills or attempts to kill any officer or employee of the United States or of any agency in any branch of the United States Government (including any member of the uniformed services) while such officer or employee is engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties, or any person assisting such an officer or employee in the performance of such duties or on account of that assistance, shall be punished – [then lists punishments]

Then, in § 1111, we find the establishment of jurisdiction:
(b) Within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States,
So, if the crime had been committed in the “maritime or territorial jurisdiction”, it would be murder. However, as we saw in § 1114, if the victim is an “officer or employee”, the person can be punished. Now, this appears to apply to any employee, as well as an officer. However, if we look at the history of the Statute, we can find what happened in 1989. This would be as the statute existed at the time of the OKC Bombing, at 10 Stat 4831:

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So, in 1989, and still in 1993, when the bombing occurred, the statute had territorial limitations. It was not until 1996, with 110 Stat 1302, that the government extended its reach (isn’t that what both MNWR in Burns and Bundy Ranch in Nevada are all about?) to go beyond the Constitution and assume authority that is in conflict with the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution.

However, understanding the limitation imposed by the Statute § 1114, as it existed in 1993, we find that there are only eight (8) people that McVeigh and Nichols are charged with murdering (killing). However, the Indictment lists another 160 people that died as a result of the “truck bomb explosion”. The eight listed are all “special agents”. So, we can safely assume that they were “Officers” and are covered by the umbrella that is applicable in 18 US Code § 372, as well as other statutes, where the government can legally punish someone for damaging (murdering) what is presumed to be government property (Officers).

So, what of those other 160 people? Well, they are covered in COUNT ONE:
38. As intended by McVEIGH and NICHOLS, the truck bomb explosion resulted in death and personal injury and the destruction of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, located within the Western District of Oklahoma. The following persons were present at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building on April 19, 1995, and were killed as a result of the explosion:
Charles E. Hurlburt 73
[First and last names shown, the other 158 omitted for brevity, but can be seen on the linked “McVeigh Indictment (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/McVeigh_Indictment.pdf)“.]
Gabreon Bruce 4 months

All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 2332a.
So, all of those in the class of “employees” that fit the criteria of “Officers” are also identified as “Special Agents”. And, those other 158 people are, well, to use a government term, “collateral damage” as a consequence of the explosion of a truck bomb. Punishable only because a truck bomb was used.
However, 18 US Code § 372 has not been changed, as 18 US Code § 1114, to extend beyond the constitutional limits imposed by the Constitution, and expanded by the Supreme Court in the Steele decision.

So, this brings us to the ultimate question of whether there were any “Officers” that were kept from doing their duty, by the actions of those who occupied the MNWR headquarters. Well, we know that a number of “Special Agents” have been employed, since the occupation, to ramble through Facebook, the Refuge and elsewhere. So, rather than impeded, they are gainfully employed in doing their duty. However, the prosecutors in the case have yet to being forward the name and capacity of just one “Officer” that would satisfy the statute, and with the requisite credentials to qualify under Steele, to be deemed an “Officer”.

If someone had been charged with robbing a bank, would not the bank have to be included in the Indictment?

“We charge Jon Doe with robbing a bank, in violation of such and such a statute”. “What bank did they rob?” you ask. “Well, we don’t know what bank they robbed,” they answer.
As demonstrated by the McVeigh Indictment, those who are injured, or impeded, must be named. Moreover, they must be officers, not just employees. For the prosecutors to fail to provide the requisite information is comparable to the analogy of the bank robber. The insufficiency of the Indictment cries out for Count One to be quashed, as it is a chare without merit, and the evidence presented, to date, has done nothing to answer the crucial question of which “Officers” have been so affected by the actions of the accused?

[monty]

Then, in § 1111, we find the establishment of jurisdiction:

(b) Within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States,
So, if the crime had been committed in the “maritime or territorial jurisdiction”, it would be murder. However, as we saw in § 1114, if the victim is an “officer or employee”, the person can be punished. Now, this appears to apply to any employee, as well as an officer. However, if we look at the history of the Statute, we can find what happened in 1989. This would be as the statute existed at the time of the OKC Bombing, at 10 Stat 4831:


But if we examine the statute further we find it also includes land jurisdiction: Stautue 62 Capter 645 Section 7(3)

"Any lands reserved or acquired for the use of the United States". . .

"The use of the United States?" Does that mean exclusive use of the United States such as a military installation or a federal office building or bombing and gunnery range, or does it also include federal owned property such as the Malhuer headquarters?

I suspect the intent of Congress when it wrote this statute can be found in the Congressional Record.

I think you will find the answer to that in Shawna Cox's most recent filing Regarding jurisdiction. Judge Brown has yet to make a ruling.

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From RangeFire, "Another Side -- 'Malheur Misfits' Will Get Justice? -- According to the Pittsburg Post-Gazette"

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/20/another-side-malheur-misfits-will-get-justice-according-to-the-pittsburg-post-gazette/

Another Side — “Malheur Misfits” Will Get Justice? — According to the Pittsburg Post-Gazette

According to the editorial board of the Pittsburg Post-Gazzette (http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2016/09/16/The-Malheur-misfits-The-anti-government-group-will-get-justice/stories/201609300042), The “Malheur Misfits” — an anti-government group — will get justice


Note: We’ve said it over and over again, here at RANGEFIRE! we have no interest in being a single-dimensional echo chamber. We acknowledge that there are always multiple sides to every story. In the West, there is an old saying to the effect that: “good fences make good neighbors.” At RANGEfire! we acknowledge our virtual neighbors on this virtual landscape. We think it is important for people to have an opportunity to hear all sides of the story, and know what others are saying about these issues. So we often share what others are saying.


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According to the PP-G Editorial Board, (http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2016/09/16/The-Malheur-misfits-The-anti-government-group-will-get-justice/stories/201609300042) “for 41 days earlier this year, Ammon Bundy and a group of armed ranchers occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. The occupiers, who brandished weapons and threatened federal officers, also made it clear that they didn’t recognize the government’s authority to own or even manage public land. They recognize no law above themselves.


When the occupiers were finally arrested Jan. 26 on a road in the refuge, not all of them surrendered peacefully. One of their members, Robert LaVoy Finicum, was shot and killed by an officer who thought he was reaching for a gun. Finicum actually believed the violent rhetoric that his cohorts gave lip service to when they weren’t surrounded and outgunned and paid for it with his life. He died while his friends turned themselves in without a fight.


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Now that the trial of Ammon Bundy, his brother Ryan and five others has begun, their excuses for armed defiance of the government sound even hollower. In opening arguments this week, a defense lawyer insisted that Mr. Bundy never threatened anyone and that the charge of conspiracy to impede federal officers through threat and intimidation was unjust. If this is the best defense the occupiers can muster, then things will not go well for the hapless rebels as they try to explain how the guns and ammo they opened displayed and pointed in their direction weren’t intended to intimidate.


Still, it is to the credit of the American justice system that the occupiers, who claim to be beyond the government’s jurisdiction, are entitled to a vigorous defense. Their arguments, no matter how absurd, will be heard. Because we live under a system of laws and not posses operating in the Wild West, judgment will be rendered accordingly.


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Unfortunately very few people east of the Rocky Mountains understand what is happening in the western states regarding shutting down public land to public access, particularly the livelihood of western ranchers. Why is it the United States claims ownership to more than 50% of the land west of the Rocky Mountains? I speculate it was driven by greed. The jew bankers who own the Congress realized the mountainous west was loaded with precious minerals. The discovery of gold at Sutters Creeek reinforced their belief. Every state admitted to the union since has given up the rights to its public lands. The same greed is behind the current movement to close off more of the public land as national monuments. This article is in response to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette piece:

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/26/clash-between-rural-and-urban-values-and-culture-opinioneditorial-by-trent-loos/ by Trent Loos
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Reposted from High Plains Journal (http://www.hpj.com/opinion/rural-versus-urban-live-in-portland/article_a533996b-df6f-523a-a06e-a55293e78bfb.html). According to Ag Radio personality Trent Loos (http://www.loostales.com/), who often talks about the huge and seemingly growing divide between rural and urban America, the Oregon Standoff Case really boils down to a clash of rural versus urban values and culture. The U.S. government has decided it needs to win the case to beat down the patriots of this nation who are willing to sacrifice life and liberty for the founding principles the authors of the Constitution envisioned for all future generations of Americans.


“I don’t believe it is ironic at all but rather 100 percent divine intervention that the first week of this trial included the day Sept. 17. In case your history lacks as bad as that of the Barack Obama administration, it was Sept. 17, 1787, that the U.S. Constitution was born. I can confidently share with you that not one of the individuals arrested or LaVoy Finicum, who gave his life for this cause, wanted anything other than for the federal government to live by the same U.S. Constitution that the rest of us do. May God bless you all, may real justice be served and may our freedoms be restored to their original glorious intent.
With the trial of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupiers in its second week, I had planned to bring you up to speed but I just read yet another “editorial board” piece from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that caused me to write with greater pressure on my keyboard (http://rangefire.us/2016/09/20/another-side-malheur-misfits-will-get-justice-according-to-the-pittsburg-post-gazette/).


The question is, when papers like PPG—and they are not the exception but rather the norm—print stuff like their recent editorial board piece titled “The Malheur misfits: The anti-government group will get justice” and we know it is full of falsehoods, how do we ever believe anything else that is written in that rag?


If you are out of the loop or just not paying attention, seven individuals are currently in their second week of trial for “conspiring to impede federal officers from performing their official duties.” The seven include Ammon and Ryan Bundy, who were there from day one, and also Jeff Banta, who was at Malheur Jan. 10, and then came back Jan. 25, which happened to be the day before the ambush and killing of LaVoy Finicum. Yet Banta too is charged with “conspiracy to impede federal officers from performing their official duties.”


So here is the commonly misused phrase when sources of ignorance speak about the occupation: “The occupiers, who brandished weapons and threatened federal officers, also made it clear that they didn’t recognize the government’s authority to own or even manage public land.”


First of all, Ammon Bundy never once possessed a firearm on his person while at Malheur. Even if he had carried one on his hip as Finicum did, that is his constitutional right.


Second, even Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward, who was the very first witness the federal government prosecutors called to the stand, did nothing but emphasize how cordial and respectful his meetings with Ammon Bundy were. In fact, most may not even know that Ammon Bundy reached out to Sheriff Ward two months prior to the occupation, impressing upon the sheriff that it was his job to protect the citizens of Harney County and that he should protect the Hammonds from the Feds when they came for the two men in January.


Sheriff Ward repeated how he was fine with all of his conversations with Bundy but he did have concerns about what the others might do. The thing you must remember is it is Ammon Bundy on trial here and not “the others” who were apparently reaching out to the sheriff via email and phone. Is guilt by association now a crime?


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The bottom line here is that this trial is likely going to go on for months and if it weren’t for the people I got to know and trust while I was in Burns, Oregon, who are now present at the courthouse, none of us would be getting the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. In fact, we would be getting more of this engineered manipulation of the happenings via mainstream media.


One of my information sources is Todd MacFarlane. Todd is a rancher from Utah but also has been a trial attorney for 25 years, with a special emphasis in property rights. Todd was present in the courthouse every day the first week of the trial and can tell you more than you will believe about the intimidation that went on and the judicial security theater (three-ring circus). Please follow the happenings in and around the courtroom via Todd’s reporting at RangeFire.us (http://rangefire.us/).


This case has come down to a clash of rural versus urban culture. The U.S. government has decided it needs to win the case to beat down the patriots of this nation who are willing to sacrifice life and liberty for the founding principles the authors of the Constitution envisioned for all future generations of Americans. I don’t believe we should let that happen.


I don’t believe it is ironic at all but rather 100 percent divine intervention that the first week of this trial included the day Sept. 17. In case your history lacks as bad as that of the Barack Obama administration, it was Sept. 17, 1787, that the U.S. Constitution was born. I can confidently share with you that not one of the individuals arrested or LaVoy Finicum, who gave his life for this cause, wanted anything other than for the federal government to live by the same U.S. Constitution that the rest of us do. May God bless you all, may real justice be served and may our freedoms be restored to their original glorious intent.


HPJ Editor’s note: Trent Loos is a sixth generation United States farmer, host of the daily radio show, Loos Tales, and founder of Faces of Agriculture, a non-profit organization putting the human element back into the production of food.

Get more information at www.LoosTales.com (http://www.loostales.com/), or email Trent at trentloos@gmail.com.


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[monty]

FBI claims that they found explosive materials at the refuge and suggested they belonged to the occupiers.
They also claimed in testimony before jurors that stolen government credit cards were found in the truck of Duane Ehmer.


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Shari Dovale explains the Malheur Protest trial.

http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/26/explaining-malheur-protest-trial/

Explaining the Malheur Protest Trial

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Explaining the Malheur Protest Trial

By Shari Dovale (http://redoubtnews.com/?s=Shari+Dovale)

I have been sitting in the courtroom throughout the majority of this trial. Beginning from the jury selection (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/08/malheur-protest-trial-jury-part-2/), it has been obvious that the government’s agenda will be upheld, at the cost of the truth.

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The government controlling your rights. (Their sign, and my ticket to a watch list.)

For those that still don’t understand, let me explain.

Ammon Bundy and the other defendants are on trial for ‘Conspiring to Impede Federal Officers’. This means that the government is accusing them of not allowing the employees of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge to go to work.

Keep in mind that employees (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/19/prosecution-shenanigans-malheur-trial/) have already testified they continued to work.

The government is allowed to bring in any evidence they deem appropriate to prove this charge. Evidence includes the actual weapons owned by LaVoy Finicum, Facebook ‘Memes’ (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/12/facebook-evidence-allowed-bundy-trial/), and coaching of witnesses while they are on the stand.

The defendants, however, are not allowed to explain why they were there (the Hammond case), what legal doctrine they based the protest on (Adverse Possession) or how the FBI lied about the murder of LaVoy.

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This meme could get me on a Terrorist Watch List.

It has been decreed by Judge Anna Brown that, though the government first introduced the killing of LaVoy (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/21/mcconnell-outed-government-informant/), the defense will be held in contempt and charged $1,000 (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/25/malheur-protest-trial-week-3-wrap/) per instance if they even try to discuss the FBI cover-up of the killing. Brown has called it ‘irrelevant.’

Remember, the government first brought it up, and is allowed to discuss what they want.

Discussing the US Constitution (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/13/opening-statements-malheur-protest-trial/) is off limits as well. Judge Brown has made it very clear that only she can explain the law to the jury, and to have them consider the words of the Constitution is contrary to that ruling. If the jury were to read the Constitution, they might learn of more rights than she would like them to know, such as ‘jury nullification.’

Brown made specific demands of the jury that they must swear to follow her ideas of the law and not consider this basic right. She stated that nullification is “just not right” but she fell short of calling it illegal.
The Hammond family were in a similar position during their trial. Their jury was given very narrow instructions as to determine if Dwight and Steven actually started the fire in their case. The Hammond’s never denied starting that fire. But they were not allowed to present their defense of what happened.

The original judge in their trial understood that the charges were a great overreach. He went outside the sentencing guidelines and gave them shorter time at their sentencing. The two men served the time. However, the Federal government was still unable to get their hands on the ranch and went back for further punishment. The Hammonds were forced back to prison under double-jeopardy to serve additional time.
This is relevant because the Hammond case (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/02/03/hammond-case-facts-ammon-bundy/) is what brought the Bundys to Oregon. Yet, Judge Brown will not allow these details into the trial.

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Another ‘anti-government’ memeThe FBI cover-up of the murder of LaVoy is relevant as well. The protesters have stated their fear and distrust of the FBI. These events substantiate their fears. The final four holdouts were affected even more by these events. They had already seen one of their own murdered, so their belief that they too could be killed is extremely relevant. Yet, Judge Brown states that it has no bearing on the case at hand.

Do not forget that the government (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/16/government-turns-hostile-witness/) did not follow their own laws during this trial. They had specific guidelines on their Facebook warrant, yet they screwed that up and went way outside of the scope of the warrant. Though the judge agreed the government messed it up, she still allowed it to be used as evidence. How’s that for bias?

The defendants are not allowed to put on a defense, period. This means that there is no defense to the government agenda. The government can say that ‘Liking’ someone’s Facebook meme can label you a terrorist. The government can say that the US Constitution is irrelevant. The government can say lying and hiding evidence of a murder is okay … if it is done by them. How do the citizen’s of this country defend against an out-of-control government like this?

The country is under a Rule of Law that is contrary to the US Constitution, and what this country is based on. We are under imperial rule, governed by the elite ruling class, not by the people, as it was designed.
God help us.

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Right-Wing Conspiracy meme

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Day 9 review http://rangefire.us/2016/09/13/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-live-coverage-commentary/

DAY 9, Monday, September 26, 3016
Today was filled with more FBI agent witness testimony, primarily regarding searches of the Refuge that occured between February 12th and February 23, 2016. The FBI agents made a number of interesting finds, including over 1600 shell casings at the boat launch, and a “bunker” of sorts near the rear gate with an ammo box containing about 300 rounds of ammunition.

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Duane Ehmer’s truck and trailer seemed to be a treasure trove of evidence. In addition to a rifle stuck in a pile of hay for Ehmer’s horse “Hellboy,” under one of the truck seats agents found a Refuge “pouch” containing Refuge gas cards, credit cards, etc., that was thought to have been locked up somewhere in one of the offices.

Agents testified about notebooks and “training” manuals detailing military-like “drills” that may have been intended to be used as part of the security strategy at the Refuge. For months there has been a lot of speculation about possible explosives at the Refuge. Some have suggested the possibility that there might be strong evidence of bomb-making and explosives, but according to evidence presented today, which is the only real evidence so far on the subject, the only thing that really turned-up in the explosive category was Tannerite, which is a very low-grade explosive that is often used in target shooting, and can be purchased over the counter. Although Tannerite can make big flashes and loud booms, it is basically a “fireworks” grade explosive, with minimal actual impact.

Although no evidence has been presented that Ammon Bundy ever carried or bore a firearm while at the refuge evidence was presented that agents found a rifle bag, with the name “Ammon” on it, 420 rounds of ammunition was found in his truck, and pretrial discovery included evidence that one of the rifles found at the refuge was purportedly registered to Ammon Bundy. Tomorrow, on the last day of presentation in the government’s case in chief, FBI agents will make a “firearms presentation,” and undoubleldly talk about more firearms.

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One FBI agent testified that in Defendant Neil Wampler’s conversations with the FBI, he described the the protest at the Refuge as an act of civil disobeience, akin to what people like MLK and Ghandi and have done. No evidence has been presented so far that Wampler was ever armed at the Refuge. Apparently, his primary role was that of cook.

The single biggest question with all this evidence is how it supports the charge of conspiracy to impede and/or interfere with federal officers. According to the statute, there are three categories of actions that can be used to impeded or interfere with federal officers: threats, force or intimidation. Multiple witnesses have testified that there were no direct threats. They have also testified that they felt intimdated by the mere mention of the names of some of the people who had been at Bunkerville, let alone their presence in the community. But there is no evidence that any of these people had any real or detailed information about the quantity and capability of firearms at the Refuge prior to making decisions to close offices before the occupation even began. Most of firearms evidence appears to fit in the “force” category. Although there is no evidence that any actual force was used, there may be evidence to support the theory that the occupiers were prepared to use force. Once again, the question will come down to “who,” and how that question applies to all these defendants individually. The other issue is whether or not there is sufficient evidence to prove that theory beyond a reasonable doubt. At this point, the government’s evidence does not seem to be particularly overwhelming. But the ultimate question for the jury is “is it enough”?

For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/)

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Shawna Cox filed a civil suit in the Harney County circuit court in Oregon. The defendant is United States of American, :o

I don't see a notice of it being served on anyone.


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Don Baccus The best today was Shawna Cox's civil suit in Harney County, in which she declared herself part of a group executing "hostile adverse possession". Hard to support the notion that this would not impede federal employees from doing their job. Of course, it's too late for the prosecution to introduce as part of their case, but I bet it comes up during the defense.
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[monty]

A fellow by the name of Peter Offerman did a frame by frame analysis of the videos of LaVoy's murder last February. It revealed frames had been edited out of the FBI video, and possibly Shawna Cox's video also. I am not going to post the webpage; it contains too many image files.


Request 1) An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicum’s Death.

Peter Offermann
Contact Author (opetero@xplornet.com)
February 24, 2016


Click here for links to all parts of this article. (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/?s=lavoy)
Peter, carefully notice the officer that ran up into the snowbank to force Lavoy's truck further up into the deeper snow. It appears he stays put and assumes a "crouch" position and fires into Lavoy's left side forcing his hands to go down. Is there anyway we can prove he fired the instant Lavoy came into view after he passed the rear part of the truck? At the point Lavoy comes into view lavoy still had his hands up. He you could prove he fired at this point it would be murder. That bullet could be retrieved from lavoy and matched to the officers gun. You see where this is going?

There are 61 frames in this segment which means it occurred in two seconds.
I have not retouched these images in anyway. All that has been done to them is enhancement that clarifies what is already there.

see the complete page: http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2016/02/24/request-1-an-analysis-of-the-fbi-video-of-the-road-block-resulting-in-lavoy-finicums-death/

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Bill Goode Thanks for your confidence George (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=tAQGP116W). I have seen this video posted in several places. Obviously a lot of work and analysis went into it. I haven't watched it closely, but I'm very glad it's out there.

I am more inclined to rely on Peter Offerman's analysis done last February and March. Peter did a frame by frame analysis of the FBI & Shawna Cox's videos. It revealed that frames had been edited out of the FBI video before it was released. Same may have been done with Shawna's video.

This is the link to the first of 5 analyses (Requests) done by Peter Offerman. When the time comes, I believe this will be the most damning analysis of LaVoy's assassination, coupled with Butch Eaton's interview with the FBI on 3 January, 23 days before they killed LaVoy.

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Bill Goode Intention is a very subjective thing. I consider it very difficult to prove what another's intention is. This video makes several assumptions of intention, which may not hold up in court.

However, FBI intentions are demonstrated by Butch Eaton's FBI interview of 3 January. The fact, that the FBI was targeting LaVoy 23 days before he was killed, is far more damning regarding intention, than any video or frame by frame analysis.

In watching this video, I realized that if LaVoy did have a firearm in his coat pocket and intended to use it, he would have drawn it before he exited his truck.
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Sara Redd Buck, family member of Utah Dr. Redd who was setup by FBI for selling native American artifacts who later commited sucide because of it posted this today. She says that it wasn't suposed to be revealed Mark McConnell was an FBI informant:

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Sarah Redd Buck
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Do we as Americans even realize what is going on in our country and around us? On January 27, 2016 I posted a picture similar to this one. LaVoy Finicum had just been shot and murdered by the FBI, in an ambush, with his hands in the air. The FBI lied 3 times about firing shots and later it was revealed that they did in fact fire and they have been investigating themselves now for 8 months.

Since the day I posted a picture similar to this one, I have been attacked, harassed, stalked, and threatened by Mark McConnell and his group/people. His Facebook for the last 8 months has been dedicated to me and destroying me. A guy even figured out my address, sat outside my house, took pictures, and documented it all on the Internet while I was home alone with my three young daughters. His lies and slander about me all over the Internet led a few people to wait for me outside the courthouse to "jump me" after one of the hearings.

It recently was revealed in trial that Mark is a paid and hired informant by the Federal Government. A revealing, in my opinion, that was not suppose to come out and in fact was "accidentally" revealed by an OSP officer on the stand in court. It was very obvious that this was the case upon watching the prosecution squirm. God works in mysterious ways. A revealing that brought light and understanding to me that these last 8 months I have been attacked, slandered, harassed, stalked, and threatened by people who have been hired and paid to do so by my very own Federal Government to try to scare me away and get me to shut my mouth in sharing the truth. My own Federal Government has paid these people to lie and do horrible things to discredit me and anything I say. Another informant, directly associated with Mark has been sending people emails including Sandy Anderson III saying I have been intimately involved with their husbands to try to create divide and break up strength. Sean and Sandy called me to let me know because, at that time they knew it was a lie, because we didn't even know each other.

I am a threat to Mark and those working corruption. I knew all along Mark was a paid informant so I screenshot, recorded, and documented everything I could. I have recordings, texts, screenshots of Mark yelling at me, threatening me, and saying he has a gun and isn't afraid to use it. I have documentation of Mark saying Ammon Bundy is a good person and doesn't deserve to be where he is at, that he was set up. I have documentation of a federal employee, Mark saying during the occupation "I support the people there doing what they feel is righteous. There has been nobody harmed or injured." A Federal employee stating during the occupation, "the ones going to jail won't be the ones at the refuge." A federal paid employee saying, "This situation in Oregon has been extremely peaceful. No damage. No destruction and certainly no violence. I have been amazed at how well they have worked with local ranchers and the people of Harney County". Sounds like the exact opposite of the impeding and gun charges. I have screenshots, recordings, and documentation of many incriminating things against many of those paid. I have the first video after LaVoy's murder and it wasn't made by Mark. It was quickly deleted after Mark made his. I have proof from a federal employee, Mark, that Ammon's attorney at the time Mike Arnold was being monitored by the prosecution. Isn't that illegal? This hired informant is a man who came to Boise to drop off Ammon Bundy at his home to spend time with his beautiful wife and kids after he peacefully stood against corruption for all of us Americans. After Mark dropped off Ammon he went to the bar and strip club and brought back to his jeep one of the strippers to "get to know her", According to Brian Cavalier. The evil, corruption, and wickedness runs ramped in those hired by our federal government to set up and destroy good Americans. While the good hearted family men have been murdered or have been sitting in jail now for 8 months and denied pre-trial release. Of course they hate me. Of course they will do everything in their power, yes even kill, to get rid of me.

This is what People like Greg Bretzing, Dan Love, and others associated with our Federal Government pay people to do. What could we pay people to do and say if we had endless amounts of money? It's like a nightmare out of a horror movie played out in real life when you speak out and educate on the truth.

You see, 8 months ago when I posted a picture similar to the one below many people thought I was crazy. Government Informants are usually kept confidential and never revealed. In fact, most often they are paid and used many times over several years. To remain anonymous, They usually don't testify in court and definitely DO NOT take the witness stand unless absolutely necessary. people thought our government would never do such a thing, hire evil bad people to set up good Americans? No way! I then began to share my family's story all over. How the Federal Government, Greg Bretzing, and Dan Love had hired Ted Gardiner. He was an ex-con alcoholic. The details of him being an informant were revealed because he took his own life before trial. Greg Bretzing, Dan Love, and our Federal Government persuaded Ted with 225,000$ to go to my family Dr. Redd's home and try to convince him to sale him an Indian artifact. When they found Ted Gardiner to hire him, he was pretty much homeless, living in the mountains, and desperate for money,hope, and meaning in his life. They convinced him to partake in the corruption by enticing him with money. Hmmm this kind of corruption and evil sounds familiar doesn't it? Sounds like something from the the bible and scripture. After Dr. Redd passed away Ted felt guilty for what he had been involved in. He knew my family was a GOOD family. He felt so guilty he took his own life.

Forward a few years and we find ourselves in a similar situation. People listened to me. Eyes were opened as I shared my family's story and what our federal government is capable of. The other side didn't appreciate the truth and/or the people who were listening to me and immediately the attacks and threats against my character and my life started.
I have had social media accounts for a very LONG time and they have never been shut down like they have during all of this. I have had to upload my drivers license, passport, phone number, ect ect or I was told my accounts would be shut down and even upon showing proof My accounts were still shut down. Just today I finally was allowed access to this one. They don't want the truth to be told. Me and other Americans speaking truth are a threat to them.

How do we as Americans protect ourselves against the very people who are suppose to be protecting us? Will restraining orders and lawsuits even apply to them?

I am not perfect. I am far from perfect and have never claimed to be perfect. I make mistakes but I am also someone who will never be ok with wickedness and corruption and when I recognize it, I will not stand by idle and allow it. Mark's own wife (currently getting a divorce due to Mark's ongoing longtime affair with Shannon) and daughter have been in contact with me concerned for my safety.

Do we as Americans even realize what is going on around us in our own country?

In these last days we HAVE to be educated. We HAVE to be aware of what is going on around us and we HAVE to stand for truth and righteousness EVEN if it is a sacrifice and EVEN if our own life is threatened because of it.

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Ammon and Ryan Bundy trial update, This guy is either a jew or a jew sympathizer, orther than demonizing the nazi's it is a pretty good interview.

http://www.dallypost.com/1/index.php/5/article/2035_--REG/Update,-Ammon-and-Ryan-Bundy-Trial/ (http://www.dallypost.com/1/index.php/5/article/2035_--REG/Update,-Ammon-and-Ryan-Bundy-Trial/)

Update, Ammon and Ryan Bundy Trial

Posted by: Lance Earl - Sep 26, 2016 9:24 PM
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The trial of Ammon and Ryan Bundy is proceeding. The prosecution has introduced evidence. Next up, the defense will have their opportunity to present before the Jury.

- See more at: http://www.dallypost.com/1/index.php/5/article/2035_--REG/Update,-Ammon-and-Ryan-Bundy-Trial/#sthash.n9wO50ew.GSHt3NuI.dpuf

The question is, is justice being served? Please consider the facts of these proceedings. I think you will be deeply troubled by what appears to be the death of liberty and justice for all.


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[monty]

Jim Lamley with Briana Budy September 19 on Twister Radio

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[monty]

Today's Malheur Protest trial report from the Oregonian. http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/09/feds_present_dramatic_display.html

The article doesn't say if Judge Brown ruled on Shawna Cox's second morion for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.



Feds present dramatic display of 22 long guns, 12 handguns recovered from refuge

Updated 6:27 p.m.

Prosecutors Tuesday rested their case against Ammon Bundy and six co-defendants after presenting to jurors a dramatic display of firearms, including 22 long guns and 12 handguns, seized from the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge following its 41-day occupation.

The firearms presentation capped 10 days of testimony in the federal conspiracy case against Ammon Bundy, his older brother Ryan Bundy and five other defendants. Defense lawyers and the defendants representing themselves will start their case on Wednesday.

One by one, an FBI agent held up 22 long guns and nearly a dozen handguns that authorities found on the front seats of cars or the beds of trucks, stuffed under a cot or resting on top of a stump, left on the grass or inside a cooler in the west encampment of the refuge.

Two FBI agents had wheeled in a large gray recycling bin containing the long guns. Agent Ronnie Walker handed each one to fellow agent Nick Vanicelli on the witness stand.

Vanicelli, a 20-year bureau veteran based in Denver, identified each firearm, where he discovered it and whether it had been loaded.

Then Walker took the weapon back and propped it against a white board leaning against the witness stand.
After about 20 minutes of testimony, the collection of firepower sat in a teepee-type formation in front of jurors.

Next, a cart that usually holds bound volumes of trial notebooks was wheeled in and the agents presented 12 handguns — 11 found at the encampment and one found in a green truck parked outside the old fire shop near the refuge headquarters — in the same manner.

Once the firearms were removed from the courtroom, FBI agents hauled in 14 large black bins, topped with bright yellow lids. The bins contained evidence bags holding tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition recovered.

Federal agents bagged as evidence a total of 18,331 separate pieces of ammunition at the refuge - including 16,636 live rounds, 1,627 spent casings at the refuge boat launch and 68 spent casings from the headquarters area, FBI agent Ronnie Walker testified.

As Walker was about to identify what was in each of the bags, U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown directed prosecutors to speed up their presentation. "Can't we just do a summary please,'' the judge said. "Let's get on with it.''

While defense lawyers were quick to point out through cross-examination of FBI agents that none of the firearms located or ammunition found was illegal, prosecutors intend to show that the mere volume, presence and use of some of the firearms for target practice at the refuge boat launch reveal the defendants' intent to intimidate refuge employees from returning to work at the federal property.

Bundy, Fry, Shawna Cox, Jeff Banta, Kenneth Medenbach, Neil Wampler and Bundy's older brother, Ryan Bundy, are charged with conspiring to prevent federal employees from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and Bureau of Land Management from doing their jobs. Five of the seven are also charged with possession of a firearm in a federal facility.

Testimony showed that a Savage Arms .300 Winchester rifle purchased by takeover leader Ammon Bundy was among five long guns found on the front seat of defendant David Fry's 1988 Lincoln Town Car at the encampment -- the spot where Fry and three others held out for the last two weeks of the 41-day refuge occupation before surrendering on Feb. 11.

Bundy's rifle wasn't loaded. A firearms trace showed Bundy bought it at Cabela's Retail in Glendale, Arizona, on Aug. 29, 2012.

As FBI Agent Vanicelli held up the rifle and attempted to place it into the case found at the refuge with the name "AMMON'' on it, Bundy's lawyer Marcus Mumford agreed that it fit into the soft rifle case and the agent didn't need to demonstrate it.

"Mr. Bundy said it's a very nice-looking gun,'' Mumford added.

The judge directed jurors to disregard Mumford's comment.

Two of the five long guns in Fry's car were loaded: an SKS-style 7.62mm rifle, which had 21 rounds with it, and a Steyr PW Arms 7.62x54R caliber rifle loaded with five rounds, Agent Vanicelli testified.

Also in Fry's car was a New England Firearms .12-gauge shotgun and a Winchester model 94A .30-caliber rifle. A Second Amendment and Tea Party Patriots bumper sticker on the back of Fry's Lincoln read, "One Right That Secures Them All.''

The tent at the encampment held the biggest arsenal — nine long guns and five handguns. Two of the long guns — a Tennessee Arms rifle and a Stevens .12-gauge shotgun — were loaded and found beneath a cot in the tent. A Remington rifle loaded with four rounds of .308-caliber ammunition was hanging on one post of the tent, beside a pair of camouflage pants, the agent testified.

A .38-caliber revolver with a wooden handle was pictured on a stump beside a lean-to at the encampment and later seen in a video jutting out of the right pants pocket of defendant Jeff Banta, testimony revealed.
The driver's license of defendant Shawna Cox was found on the rear passenger seat of a white government vehicle that had a Harney County Resource Center decal on its side. Inside the vehicle was a pouch containing a 9mm handgun with two magazines of ammunition, the agent said.

During cross-examination, Cox's standby counsel Tiffany Harris established that the 9mm gun didn't belong to Cox and that there was no evidence Cox had been seen driving around the refuge in the vehicle.
A Smith & Wesson .357-caliber handgun was seen lying inside a cooler, beside a container of pistachio nuts, in the tent at the encampment. It was loaded with six rounds, the agent testified.

Thousands of rounds of ammunition also were found with the firearms, in the trucks at the scene or scattered in and around the tent.

In a Chevy Silverado truck with Idaho plates that belonged to co-defendants Sean and Sandy Anderson, authorities found two rifles, three handguns and 2,639 rounds of ammunition, the agent said. A bumper sticker on the truck read, "Only Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns.''
The Andersons are set for trial in mid-February.

More than 3,417 rounds were discovered outside the tent and about 1,554 rounds were inside, Vanicelli testified. Ninety-eight other rounds of ammunition, for example, were scattered on the seat of an ATV parked at the site. Twenty-seven bullets, propped up in a Styrofoam container, sat on the dashboard of a truck.

Vanicelli also identified a black 9mm pistol found in a green Dodge pickup with Texas license plates that was parked beside the old fire shop at refuge headquarters. Beside the pistol, he said he found a silencer. He twisted the silencer onto the pistol to show it fit and held it up for jurors.

In the bed of that truck, the agent said he found 1,050 rounds of ammunition.

Jurors were notified before the unusual display of firearms that all the weapons were unloaded and "rendered safe.''

During cross-examination, defense lawyers tried to distance their clients from the guns. They also revealed that the federal government didn't pursue with indictments everyone identified as the owners, or last purchasers, of the firearms they collected from the refuge.

Fry's lawyer Per C. Olson asked, "Any of them tied back to David Fry in any way?''
The agent said he didn't think so.

Defense lawyer Robert Salisbury established that his client, Jeff Banta, had lawfully bought a .12-gauge Remington shotgun found unloaded in the encampment, inside a white truck with Nevada plates on it.
Mumford repeatedly asked Vanicelli if he knew who drove the vehicles to the encampment or if he had done further investigation into who owned the firearms..

He said he didn't, that his sole job was to identify and collect the firearms. The agent said, under cross-examination, that he also found significant amounts of cash at the encampment but was directed not to seize the money. This was in contrast to large amounts of cash seized from other locations in the refuge.
Later testimony revealed that only three of the estimated 12 vehicles at the encampment were privately owned, belonging to Fry, Banta and co-defendants Sean and Sandy Anderson. The rest were government vehicles.

"Are any of these guns illegal?'' defendant Ryan Bundy asked Agent Vanicelli.
"Not that I'm aware of,'' the agent replied.

"Are any of the ammunition illegal?'' Ryan Bundy asked the agent.
"Not that I'm aware of,'' Vanicelli said again.

Attorney Matthew Schindler, on behalf of defendant Medenbach, asked Agent Walker, "How many live rounds were fired at employees of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge?''

Walker responded that live rounds were not fired.

"Good point, sir,'' Schindler said.

During another showing of the video of men firing assault rifles from the refuge boat launch, testimony from agent Walker revealed that he was only able to identify one man in the video, Ryan Payne, who stood behind the firing line and appeared to be supervising. Walker said he thinks another man in the video was either defendant Jason Patrick or Corey Lequieu but he wasn't sure. Patrick is set for trial in February; Lequieu has pleaded guilty to conspiracy.

"For the most part your case rests on photos and pictures of guns and ammo,'' Ryan Bundy started, during his cross-examination of Agent Walker. The judge asked jurors to disregard his question.

"You know of no evidence anyone personally intimidated a refuge employee,'' Ryan Bundy continued. Again, the judge urged jurors to disregard his statement.

"What are the American people permitted to do to protest improper actions?'' Ryan Bundy asked the agent.
The judge cut him off. "Mr. Bundy, this is improper cross,'' Brown told him.

Once the government rested its case at 3:25 p.m., the judge heard legal motions about jury instructions, and denied a motion for acquittal offered by Medenbach.

-- Maxine Bernstein
mbernstein@oregonian.com
503-221-8212 (tel:503-221-8212)
@maxoregonian (http://gold-silver.us/forum/safari-reader://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/09/"https://twitter.com/maxoregonian)

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Gun rights on trial Malheur Reserve


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Rangfire review of day 10. http://rangefire.us/2016/09/13/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-live-coverage-commentary

DAY 10 — Tuesday, September 27, 2016
To wrap-up its case, and evidence against the defendants, today the Government put on the much ballyhooed Gun Show, or “Firearms Presentation.” Although for the most part the FBI was not able to establish who owned or possessed most of the guns and ammunition, the FBI paraded in 22 rifles or shotguns (long guns) and 12 handguns, along with over 18,000 rounds of ammunition. Some have characterized this evidence and its presentation as “dramatic.” Little evidence was presented, however, as to who most of the various firearms belonged to. But evidence was presented that Ammon Bundy had purchased a Savage .300 win mag hunting rifle in Glendale, Arizona in 2012, which was one of the guns found at the Refuge.

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Agents also testified that a handful of the guns were found on the front seat of David Fry’s car. They also testified that several guns were found in Sean & Sandy Anderson’s truck, which had a bumper sticker “Only Good Guys with Guns Can Stop Bad Guys with Guns.” Agents also testified that they found an unloaded 12 gauge shot gun in Jeff Banta’s truck.

Although the government did show quite a few guns and a lot of ammunition, they couldn’t tie most of the guns and ammunition to the seven defendants currently on trial, or any of the other named defendants in the case. Despite earlier attempts and arguments about evidence that Shawna Cox may have been armed at some point during the occupation, in the end the government presented no evidence that Cox had any guns at the Refuge, or that she was ever armed.

Despite the intended dramatic effect of the volume of firearms and ammunition, in many ways, it was actually quite anti-climatic. On cross-examination, FBI agents admitted that none of the firearms or ammunition were illegal, and that there was no evidence that firearms had been used to point at or threaten any federal employees.

We’ve talked about this before, but there is evidence that over the course of the occupation quite a few people came and went at the Refuge. It is fair to say that many of them had their own individual reasons, objectives, and motivations for being there. There has been much speculation that a number of the people who were there were government informants and/or agents provocateur. Such speculations have been further fanned by the fact that the government did not call any of those people as witnesses in the case, which would have subjected them to cross-examination.

Just as with new evidence regarding the shooting of LaVoy Finicum, there is growing evidence that the FBI was working very hard behind the scenes to stage evidence, which could include at least part of the guns, and perhaps a lot of the ammunition. This seems like an even greater likelihood given the disparity between the amount of ammunition that had previously been disclosed, versus the amount of ammunition the FBI claimed at trial had been found at the Refuge.

After less than 10 days of presentation of evidence, without hearing from many other witnesses who were on the government’s witness list and were supposed to testify about a variety of subjects, the Government rested its case instead. There are several possible reasons for this. Either the government is confident that it has put on enough evidence to convict, or it realizes that after having presented the best evidence it has, in the best way possible, its overall case and evidence are still quite marginal at best. In either case, it is pure speculation at this point.

Now the trial will be shifting to the Defendants’ case and evidence, which it is anticipated will take at least twice as long as the Government’s case. Part of the reason that is the case is because some have speculated that although there is supposed to be a presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, in this case there is actually an unstated presumption of guilt that the Defendants must attempt to overcome.
Once the Defense case starts, we will split our coverage into two parts so that it is not necssary to scroll down through this entire post to get to the latest information.

For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/)

RANGE (http://rangemagazine.com/) /RANGEFIRE! — Addressing Issues Facing the West / Spreading America’s Cowboy Spirit Beyond the Outback

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Ryan Bundy filed a motion for acquital

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Judge Anna Brown denise Shawna Cox's motion to reconsider.

http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1693

Burns Chronicles No 31 – Public Lands – Part 3 – The Queen has Ruled – Off with their Heads

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Gary Hunt
Outpost of Freedom
September 29, 2016

In two previous articles, Shawna Cox brought the matter of Jurisdiction to the Court. The first, explained in “Public Lands – Part 1 – It’s a Matter of Jurisdiction (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1652)“, was filed in response to the government’s “Motion for Judicial Notice (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns_doc1229-Gov_Memorandum_re_Judicial_Notice.pdf)” (1229), providing proof of ownership of the land upon which the MNWR headquarters sit. In that Motion, filed September 9, 2016, they cited no previous motion to which they were responding.

Shawna, based upon a chain of title that she had received, had no dispute with the ownership. However, neither the government’s request for judicial notice and attached documentation nor the chain of title provided any indication that the land, which both parties agreed, had been in private hands before the government reacquired it, had been ceded back to them by Oregon.

Shawna then filed her “Response to and Motion for Judicial Notice Regarding Ownership & Ceding of the MNWR Headquarters Area (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns_doc_1245_Cox_Repsonse_to_Judicial_Notice.pdf )” (1245). In that Motion, she stipulated the government’s ownership and asked the Court to take Judicial Notice that the subject lands had not been ceded back to the federal government by Oregon. The Motion was quite simple and simply stated that since no proof of ceding had been provided, the Judicial Notice was in order.

The government then filed its Response (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns-doc_1272-Gov_Response_to_1245%20et%20seq.pdf) (1272) to a number of motions, including Shawna’s Motion. Geoffrey A. Barrow, the attorney that signed the Response, apparently has a reading disorder. Shawna never contested the government’s motion for judicial notice. Instead, she stipulated that they did own the land. However, he chose to read into her motion what he thought the Judge might like:
Cox opposes the government’s request (ECF No. 1229) and, in turn, moves for judicial notice consistent with the separately filed McIntosh Declaration (ECF No. 1252). McIntosh repeats the adverse possession theories that this Court has already rejected many times, although he reads the government’s Houghton Declaration (ECF No. 1230) as further support for his views. McIntosh’s theory is that the federal government simply could not have obtained lawful title to the MNWR absent permission from the state. His theories are contrary to the law that this Court has already recognized controls this issue, and his stated credentials (i.e., his stated directorship of two web-based, environmental-sounding organizations) reveal that he is an advocate who shares defendants’ misguided views. (One organization promises to give a “strong voice that will dominate and control state and federal bureaucrats”).

Cox’s counter-Motion for Judicial Notice should be denied.

Now, Shawna never mentioned “adverse possession” in her motion – she simply sought judicial notice that the land had not been ceded back to the government. This is quite consistent with what the government had cited in their judicial notice, when they said:
Federal Rule of Evidence 201 permits this Court to take judicial notice of adjudicative facts “not subject to reasonable dispute.” The Advisory Committee Note to the rule explains that “adjudicative facts” are those that “relate to the parties, their activities, their properties, their businesses.” Courts routinely take judicial notice of recorded property records.

Now, the government has proffered no argument establishing that Oregon had ceded back jurisdiction to the federal government. If it had been ceded back, then it would have, as required by the Statute of Frauds, been recorded in the public records. There is no argument, except the false association with Ammon’s motion, which would be cause for the Court not to take “Judicial Notice”.

Barrow’s ad Hominem fallacy is compounded when in his Response (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns-doc_1295-Gov_Response_to_Ammon.pdf) (1295) to an Ammon Bundy Motion, he says:
Like defendant Shawna Cox in her Motion for Judicial Notice (ECF No. 1245), Ammon Bundy also relies on Mr. McIntosh’s Declaration (ECF No. 1252), which espouses the same faulty adverse possession theories.
Let me repeat, Shawna Cox, in her Motion, never mentions adverse possession, she simply seeks Judicial Notice of a fact consistent with the record that the government provided, that the land had not been ceded back. Now, at this point, you have to begin to wonder if the Judge and prosecutors are conspiring to set things up to avoid taking such a critical Judicial Notice. After all, they have no idea how the jury will take such an admission of no jurisdiction.

Next, we have the Judge siding with the erroneous argument given by Barrow when she files her “Order Taking Judicial Notice of Federal Ownership of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns-doc_1317-Order_MNWR_Ownership.pdf)…” (1317). In that Order, she states the following:
II. Ammon Bundy’s Emergency Motion (#1248) to Enjoin Prosecution and Shawna Cox’s Arguments in her Response (#1245) to the Government’s Motion (#1229) for Judicial Notice Regarding Ownership of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Headquarters Area
Defendant Shawna Cox filed a Response (#1245) to the government’s Motion on September 12, 2016. In that Response Cox acknowledges the government has demonstrated it owns the land in question, but, nonetheless, she contends the government does not have any regulatory jurisdiction over that land because it did not obtain the consent of the Oregon State Legislature as required by the Enclave Clause of Article I, Section 8, Clause 17 of the United States Constitution. Related to Cox’s arguments, Ammon Bundy requests in his Emergency Motion (#1248) to Enjoin Prosecution that this Court reconsider its previous orders denying Ammon Bundy’s Motions to Dismiss for Lack of Subject Matter Jurisdiction on the basis that the record now clearly reflects that the property on which the MNWR headquarters sits was not part of the land the federal government has owned since before Oregon statehood, but instead was acquired from the Eastern Oregon Land and Livestock Company in 1935.


Well, at least the Judge read Cox’s motion correctly and did not assert that it denied ownership, as Barrow did. However, when we read the entire Order, she does relate Ammon’s Motion to Cox’s argument, and then denies Ammon’s Motion. However, at this point, she has not denied Shawna’s Motion (1245), nor has she taken Judicial Notice.

So, on September 22, 23016, Shawna filed a “Motion to Reconsider Order Taking Judicial Notice, in part (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns-doc_1322-COX_MOTION_FOR_RECONSIDERATION.pdf)” (1322), in order to attempt to force the Court to take Judicial Notice that the land had not been ceded back to the government.

In the denial of Ammon’s Motion (1317), the Court cited Kleppe v New Mexico (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Kleppe_v_New-Mexico_426_US_529-(1976).pdf)426 US 529 (1976). Apparently, Barrow did not read the decision; he probably simply resorted to Key notes. As Shawna states in her Motion:
The government offers Kleppe v. New Mexico, 426 U.S. 529, 543 (1976) to support their broad contention of jurisdiction un Article IV, § 3, clause 2, however, Kleppe addressed jurisdiction over land that had not been transferred out of the government’s ownership, and to that, there is no contest. Kleppe merely attached the federal jurisdiction to the burros, whether on, or off of, the public lands. This is akin to the parent’s jurisdiction over the child, both insideand outside of the home. It is only for the return of the burros, and of the children. It does not carry with it a jurisdiction over the land where the burros roam, except to the extent of the right to retain ownership of the burros, and obligation to remove them, when so notified. Kleppe addressed an Act of Congress appropriately titled “Wild Free-roaming Horses and Burros Act”, as it applied to the presumption that the home of the burros was the public lands, and they had simply decided to wander away from that home. It did not apply to burros that were raised and branded by a private owner.

Then, in referring to the rather feeble substance of the same Order, she responds to the footnote on page 6 that the Court seems to present as authoritative when she says:
The Order cites, in footnote 1, page 6, that “at trial Harney County Sheriff David Ward testified the state exercised jurisdiction over the MNWR concurrently with federal jurisdiction over those lands.” That does not meet the statutory requirements set forth in 40 US Code § 3112. It can be considered to be nothing more than an unfounded opinion, not support by any factual proof.

Now, to support what she had stated, she offered an existing statute that should put the whole matter to rest. She cited 40 US Code § 3112 (b) & (c):
(b) Acquisition and Acceptance of Jurisdiction. – When the head of a department, agency, or independent establishment of the Government, or other authorized officer of the department, agency, or independent establishment, considers it desirable, that individual may accept or secure, from the State in which land or an interest in land that is under the immediate jurisdiction, custody, or control of the individual is situated, consent to, or cession of, any jurisdiction over the land or interest not previously obtained. The individual shall indicate acceptance of jurisdiction on behalf of the Government by filing a notice of acceptance with the Governor of the State or in another manner prescribed by the laws of the State where the land is situated.
(c) Presumption. – It is conclusively presumed that jurisdiction has not beenaccepted until the Government accepts jurisdiction over land as provided in this section.

That should have been the end of the matter, and the Judge should have taken Judicial Notice, since there was no argument, or document, that established any ceding back to the government over the lands where the headquarters buildings were situated at MNWR.

But, the persistent Queen Judge was determined that truth was not a factor, and that she was not going to allow the jury even to begin to believe that possibly the government had no jurisdiction over the land in question. She was committed to using her power to assure a conviction, with no regard for Justice. So, now the ball is back in Queen Judge’s Court, on September 22, 2016, she files another “Order Taking Judicial Notice of Federal Ownership of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns-doc_1327-ORDER_TAKING_JUDICIAL_NOTICE.pdf)” (1327).
In that Order, she incorporates both of Shawna’s Motions:
The Court has now reconsidered the entire record on these matters, which includes the following…
** *
Defendant Shawna Cox’s Motion for Judicial Notice Regarding Ownership & Ceding of the MNWR Headquarters Area1;
1 The government did not file a reply in support of its Motion (#1229) for Judicial Notice.
She does acknowledge that the government never did file a reply to the challenges to the initial request for Judicial Notice of Ownership, probably, because they can find no rational argument. So, this leaves the entire responsibility, not on the Prosecution, but on the Queen Judge Brown. What is supposed to be an adversarial proceeding, where there are two sides, and the judge’s duty is to assure fairness and justice, is now turned into a situation where the judge has become the adversary to the Defendants. So, the judge exempts the Prosecution from having to respond:
In addition, on September 22, 2016, Cox filed a Motion (#1322) to Reconsider Order Taking Judicial Notice. Although Cox’s Motion to Reconsider related to the Court’s now-withdrawn Order (#1317), the Court, nevertheless, has reviewed Cox’s arguments therein and considers them as part of the record on these Motions. Accordingly, the government need not file a response to Cox’s Motion (#1322) to Reconsider.
She then “DENIES Defendant Shawna Cox’s Motion (#1322) to Reconsider Order Taking Judicial Notice.” However, she never denied Shawn’s first Motion to take Judicial Notice.

She then cites the authority for taking Judicial Notice:
“Federal Rule of Evidence 201(b) permits judicial notice of an adjudicative fact that is ‘not subject to reasonable dispute in that it is either (1) generally known within the territorial jurisdiction of the trial court or (2) capable of accurate and ready determination by resort to sources whose accuracy cannot reasonably be questioned.”

Well, apparently, it is not “generally known”, or a blind eye has been turned to the fact, or, the Court expects Shawna Cox to prove a negative. Or, as Shawna put it in her Motion (1322):
It is impossible to prove negative, and for that reason, 40 US Code §3112 sets the standard for proof that there exists a jurisdiction, whether exclusive or concurrent. Any determination to the contrary is Arbitrary and Capricious.

For whatever reason, the docket then shows the same Motion (1322) that Shawna filed on September 22, filed again on September 26 (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns-doc_1344-COX_Motion_for_Reconsideration(2).pdf) (1344). However, Shawna’s signature is dated September 22, 2016. There is no explanation as to why this document was filed, in identical form, 4 days later, and after the Court’s Order of September 22. Perhaps, in an effort to cover up the misdeeds of government, the Court and Clerk are getting overwhelmed and confused in trying to obfuscate the issues brought up by the Defendants.

In a final assertion of her authority, even though the Prosecution never contested Shawna’s motions, Queen Judge Brown chops the head off of her victims in a Minute Order (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns-doc_1350-ORDER_DENYING_COX_RECONSIDERATION.pdf) (1350), dated September 27, 2016 (repeating what had already been stated) which states:
ORDER by Judge Anna J. Brown as to Shawna Cox (7). The Court DENIES Defendant Shawna Cox’s Motion [1344] for Reconsideration, which is identical to her Motion [1322] for Reconsideration that the Court denied in its Order (#1327) Taking Judicial Notice of Federal Ownership of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. 40 U.S.C. § 3112 does not deprive the federal government of jurisdiction over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge (MNWR) because, as owner of the MNWR, the government may lawfully exercise jurisdiction pursuant to the Property Clause of Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution. See United States v. Bohn, 622 F.3d 1129, 1133-34 (9th Cir. 2010). (bb)

Interestingly, however, it appears that the Judge never denied Shawna’s original Motion for Judicial Notice (1245), though she never did grant the requested “Judicial Notice”. She only denied the Motion for Reconsideration (1322 & 1344).

Regardless, there is a significant, un-convoluted, matter for the Appellate Court, as to whether Federal Jurisdiction exists at the MNWR.

So, regardless of a statute (40 US Code § 3112) and no case law to the contrary, the Queen Judge has shown total contempt for the laws and her judicial obligation for justice, in her rulings in this matter. Her obsession with keeping her schedule and upholding, not the rule of law, rather, the rule of the government, are so clearly demonstrated in the above sequence, that we can clearly understand that law and justice have vacated the Mark O. Hatfield U.S. Courthouse, in Portland Oregon. All that remains are injustice and some patriotic political prisoners.

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Tribal elder testifies for the defense

Warren was called back to the witness stand after recess. She was asked yes-or-no questions about her phone call with an FBI agent. Warren said she felt “threatened.”

That prompted Judge Brown to again warn her not to volunteer any information she was not asked to provide in a question. That could cause a mistrial if she continued to volunteer unasked-for information, the judge said.
But it is just fine for prosecution witness Dave Ward to give unsolicited testimony -


http://koin.com/2016/09/28/defense-to-make-its-case-in-malheur-standoff-trial/

Malheur trial: Ammon Bundy may take stand soon

https://lintvkoin.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/bundy-trial-sketch-2.jpg?w=1248Attorney Marcus Mumford with his client Ammon Bundy during opening statements in the Malheur Refuge takeover trial, September 13, 2016 (For KOIN: Sketch Artist Deborah Marble)


PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) — The defense took center court Wednesday in the trial of the 7 people accused in taking over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, and it didn’t take long for Judge Anna Brown to admonish them.

And it isn’t taking long for the defense to present its case. Judge Brown said the defense could wrap up their evidence presentations early next week, with closing arguments possibly near the end of the week.

It’s also possible Ammon Bundy could take the stand as early as Thursday.

Lawyers representing Ammon Bundy, Jeff Banta, Neil Wampler and David Fry began making their cases to the jury. Defendants Ryan Bundy, Shawna Cox and Kenneth Medenbach are representing themselves.

Throughout the morning, Judge Anna Brown expressed frustration at the defense’s disorganization, and at one point said “Get it together, folks.”
The 7 defendants are accused of impeding federal refuge employees from carrying out their work through intimidation, threats or force.
Complete coverage:
Malheur Takeover (http://koin.com/tag/malheur-takeover/)



Two defendants are also charged with theft of government property (http://koin.com/2016/03/09/militia-court-hearing-could-draw-protesters/). Five face an additional charge of possession of a firearm in a federal facility.
Still to come

Rev. Franklin Graham, who came to the refuge with Nevada legislator Michele Fiore (http://koin.com/2016/02/11/occupiers-we-will-surrender-thursday-am/) to help the final 3 occupiers surrender, is expected to be the first witness on Thursday.
Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward may be called back to the stand and then Ammon Bundy may be called.

Defense witnesses begin
Witnesses for the defense were quickly called. The first witness called was FBI agent Marc Maxwell, who was on the phone with David Fry, the last person to surrender from the refuge.

Maxwell testified Fry said he was suicidal and said the situation was “tense and emotional.”

https://lintvkoin.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/malheur-ammon-bundy-harney-county-deputies-01222016.jpg?w=600&h=342 (https://lintvkoin.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/malheur-ammon-bundy-harney-county-deputies-01222016.jpg)
Ammon Bundy (plaid shirt) argues with Harney County deputies and FBI outside their office, Jan. 22, 2016 (KOIN)

Confederate Tribes elder Sheila Warren took the stand next. She said she went to the refuge during the standoff and looked for guns but never saw any. She said the occupiers were friendly and welcoming.

She inspected tribal artifacts stored at the refuge to see if they had been handled by the occupiers and only noticed they were dirty and had rodent droppings on them. This, she said, didn’t prove whether they had been touched by the occupiers.

The FBI tried to speak with her about what she saw when she was there, but Warren said she “didn’t trust the FBI” and didn’t speak with them.

Warren was called back to the witness stand after recess. She was asked yes-or-no questions about her phone call with an FBI agent. Warren said she felt “threatened.”


That prompted Judge Brown to again warn her not to volunteer any information she was not asked to provide in a question. That could cause a mistrial if she continued to volunteer unasked-for information, the judge said.


Ammon Bundy a ‘face-to-face kind of guy’

FBI agent Christopher Luh was then called to the stand. Luh, a trained crisis negotiator who spoke extensively with Ammon Bundy by phone during the standoff, said Bundy showed up at the Burns Municipal Airport hoping for a meeting.

Ammon Bundy, Luh said, “is a face-to-face kind of guy.”

The defense played a phone call between them. Bundy told Luh things were “great” and that he “wanted to get the land back into the right hands.”

https://lintvkoin.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/fence-cutters.jpg?w=600&h=448 (https://lintvkoin.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/fence-cutters.jpg)
An armed group occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge took down a fence Monday, Jan. 11, 2016. (KOIN)

The refuge, Bundy said on the phone call, was in bad shape and the occupiers were doing maintenance, cleanup and fixing what they considered to be fire hazards.
Bundy told Luh the local citizens “should be able to manage those lands as a free people,” and that the Bureau of Land Management was there to make money off fires, not put them out.

He also re-iterated that the reason the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge was chosen was because of the prison sentences imposed on local ranchers Dwight and Steve Hammond for burning property on federal land.

When Luh asked Bundy how he saw the standoff ending, Bundy said he saw the land being turned over to the county and used as a resource cneter to help rancher under county jurisdiction.

“We’re not going to escalate [anything],” Ammon Bundy told Luh on that phone call. “We’re here to work, here to shake your hand… let you know that I am a good person, not a threat… not going to use violence. That’s never been our style and that’s not what we’re here to do.”

Ammon Bundy added, “We have a situation here that needs to be resolved and we’re not going to ignore that.”

Afternoon FBI witnesses
In afternoon testimony, 3 FBI agents confirmed Mark McConnell — the informant driving the car the day Bundy (http://koin.com/2016/09/21/fbi-to-testify-about-arrests-of-malheur-occupiers/) and the others were arrested — was paid $2000 by the FBI. McConnell’s son was also paid $2000.

Andy Dunbar, whose ranch is next to the refuge, let the FBI use his land for access to the refuge, the FBI agents testified.

The prosecution rested its case Tuesday afternoon (http://koin.com/2016/09/27/prosecution-may-rest-in-malheur-refuge-occupation-case/). Witnesses including Harney County Sheriff David Ward, refuge managers and employees, FBI agents and other law enforcement officers were among those called to testify.

KOIN 6 News is in court Wednesday and will follow this story.

Trial for the Malheur Refuge occupation

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A one hour video proving LaVoy Finicum was murdered


http://youtu.be/4T4-21ji_ZA

https://youtu.be/4T4-21ji_ZA

Video expert Peter Offerman's analysis of the videos done by Casey Runyan:

links to Offermans website are at the bottom of the article.

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Bill Goode

8 hrs (https://www.facebook.com/groups/237360123055985/permalink/595607720564555/)

The following text is a comment from Peter Offerman on the video analysis of LaVoy's murder done by Casey Runyan, and posted here originally last 18 September by Mary Schumpf, and again 23 September by Eric Andrew Wilkinson and Dan H. Bailey.

Peter Offerman is a video expert, who has done a frame by frame analysis of both the FBI video an Shawna Cox's video, as they were released by the FBI. Peter's analysis shows there were missing frames in both releases. In addition Peter's analysis shows the FBI video was a composite of two videos.

Following is Peter's commentary on Casey's two videos:
"Hi George Schumpf... Thanks for sending the links. Although the videos are well prepared and appear to support Lavoy's cause I think they are an attempt to keep the focus away from more damning facts.

"The truck approach is pretty well done. The 3 pauses of braking are probably the result of an anti-lock braking system which modern vehicles come with not any specific action of Lavoy's. When attempting to stop in a hurry jamming on the brakes and holding them on causes a vehicle to go into an uncontrolled skid so modern vehicles moderate braking by automatically pumping the brakes on hard braking at speed in an attempt to retain control. A trained driver in such a situation would manually pump the brakes.

"I don't buy the explanation of the 3 shots as the truck approached. One of my last posts looks at the angles involved and shows that these could not be responsible for the bullet holes in the truck.

"What does this explanation conceal?

"It is far more justifiable to shoot at a speeding vehicle as it approaches a road block, while accelerating, as incorrectly stated by the officers involved, than it is for an officer to run out in front of an almost stopped vehicle and shoot at the driver. All 3 bullet holes found were the result of this later murderous attempt and not the result of the officers shooting at the truck as it approached. They may well have also shot at the truck as it approached but these later shots did the damage to the truck.

"The explanation regarding the shots at Lavoy, after he gets out of the truck, is not credible at all. What it instead does is avoid any mention of significant events that happened as Lavoy got out of the truck. How and why was the shot through the roof of the cab caused? The explanation based on a few clues left behind by sloppy video editing makes it obvious there is missing time in the video at this point. This missing time is very damning because it implicates not just the officers at the scene but also those that had possession of the video before it was made public. No lab tech would make such alterations without authorization from higher ups. It totally destroys the credibility of the authorities evidence and testimony.

"During this time period I pointed out some of the anomalies in the video such as the shooting stand that appears in one frame without being seen put in place or taken away to where it is very obvious in many frames both before and after. This is physically impossible and proves time is missing. The shot through the cab roof occurred from this stand. We should have seen the stand being put in place, the shooter getting on it, taking his shot, getting off it, moving it away afterwards. That we don't see this supports what Shawna says that Lavoy stood in the door of the truck for a period talking to the officers before moving away from the truck.

"The shots taken while Lavoy was standing there at the truck, complying with the officers, are responsible for his fast movement away from the truck. The one through the cab roof came from behind him while he was cooperating with his hands in the air. Would you duck for cover if this happened? This shot is irrefutable evidence of the murderous intent of the authorities.

"If you reviewed my analysis of the trajectories of the 3 shots that actually hit Lavoy it is obvious that the second shot (autopsy shot 2) which occured during this period, actually hit Lavoy. There is no one in a position to cause a wound with this trajectory once Lavoy gets to where he is dropped.

"In my analysis I looked very closely at the actions of the supposed shooter of the foam bullet and his actions do not fit this explanation. The officer on the ground does not move to that location to take a shot. The movement is a second officer moving past him to get into position behind Lavoy's truck. The officer on the ground, appearing to crouch, is the officer who ran out in front of the truck as it came to a stop, who was knocked to the ground by the wave of snow thrown up by the truck. That we do not see him get into this position is another indicator of missing time in the video.

"What I saw on close examination was that he was on the ground just getting up from being knocked down. He was facing towards the roadblock, not uphill. He braces himself with his left arm and swings his right arm in front of himself for balance in order to get up from the ground. He then moves into the center of the roadblock in a crouched position because other officers are aiming at the truck over his head and he is trying to stay out of the line of fire.

"I detailed thoroughly his movements after his point as his movements make it obvious of more missing time in the video. The reason for the missing time here is that while he is moving Lavoy arrives at the location where he was gunned down. The foam bullet attempts to hide the fact of another shot (autopsy shot 1) that hits Lavoy in the back while he has his hand in the air and is cooperating with the officer he is facing. The missing time mostly hides Lavoy's physical response to being hit by a bullet from behind him.

"Regards, Peter"

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Rat bastard Mark McConnell paid by FBI


http://youtu.be/DPgO1ga0mV4

https://youtu.be/DPgO1ga0mV4

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Judge Brown conspires against defense in Malheur trial


http://youtu.be/2rgr3FBT2Zc

https://youtu.be/2rgr3FBT2Zc


https://www.facebook.com/CitizensForConstitutionalFreedom.NEWS/posts/1755608964713132

The following commentary more or less echos Gary Hunt's opinion.


Citizens 4 Constitutional Freedom (https://www.facebook.com/CitizensForConstitutionalFreedom.NEWS/?fref=nf)

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Judge Brown Undermines Patriot’s Defense Strategy
By Jake Morphonios, ETNR

September 28, 2016
Portland, Oregon

Today in the Oregon Refuge Takeover trial of Ammon Bundy and his associates, the defense team began its case before jurors to attempt to clear their defendants of the government charges of conspiring against federal officers by impeding bird sanctuary workers from completing their duties. The prosecution is making its case based on an archaic statute pushed by Abraham Lincoln and passed by Congress in 1861 during the Civil War.

In her opening arguments, the attorney for Shawna Cox, Mrs. Tiffany Harris, said that the prosecution’s case is without merit because they are misinterpreting the original statute. Because so much of the defendant’s case rests on this principle, I want to remove all the legal jargon and explain the issue to you all in straight-forward language.

As is typical with today’s politicians and federal bureaucrats, the government prosecutors in Portland not only pervert the original intent of the content of the US Constitution, but they also twist and contort statutes from the federal law codes. I’ll explain.

You all know that the supreme law of the land is the US Constitution. The Congress passes laws that are based on the Constitution, or at least are supposed to be based on the Constitution. So many laws are passed that it is necessary to keep them cataloged. A reference system was created for that purpose. It is called the Code of Laws of the United States of America – often just referred to as the US Code or USC. It is the official compilation and codification of the statutes passed by the US Congress. Statute is another word for law. These statutes are organized in the US Code under 51 chapters, called titles. Following the title number, is a double S symbol which means “section”, and then the section number appears. The statute being used by the prosecutors in Portland is 18 USC § 372, or in other words, Title 18, Section 372.

So let’s talk about the historical background of this statute. Three months after Lincoln initiated the Civil War, or the War of Northern Aggression as we southerners prefer to call it, Lincoln was already experiencing major backlash, even among his own ranks in the North. He was worried about conspirators working together to subvert his power or trying to overthrow the US government.

Let’s read the text of the statute itself:
“If two or more persons within any State or Territory of the United States shall conspire together to overthrow, or to put down, or to destroy by force the government of the United States, or to levy war against the United States, or to oppose by force the authority of the government of the United States, or by force, intimidation, or threat to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, or by force, intimidation, or threat to prevent any person from accepting or holding any office or trust or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging the duties thereof, or by force, intimidation, or threat to induce any officer of the United States to leave any State, district, or place where his duties as such office might lawfully be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or to injure his person while engaged in the lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duty…”

Clearly, within its historical context, this statute was intended to deal with major conspiracies that threatened to overthrow the entire US government. The statute uses very specific language. It says that if two or more people conspiring to overthrow the US government are found to have used threats, intimidation or force to stop (and this is the key word) officers of the United States from discharging their duties, then those conspirators can be punished.

The prosecutors are using this wartime statute to say that Ammon Bundy and his associates are guilty of that exact offense. They argue that because the employees at the Malhuer Bird Refuge felt afraid to come back to work and go about their business of handing out park maps to the public at the Refuge’s visitor center, this constitutes a violation of 18 USC § 372. The very idea is preposterous. At no point did Ammon or anyone else during civil disobedience action hint that they were trying to overthrow the US government. It’s also a gross distortion of the statute to equate federal employees with the kind of federal officers referred to in the statute.
The prosecutors are arguing that the Refuge employees are federal officers. But that simply is not true. Think about it. The cashier in the cafeteria working at the US Capitol building is a federal employee. Does anyone think that if two people conspired to stop her from taking people’s lunch payments that this constitutes a conspiracy to overthrow the federal government or to stop federal officers from being able to perform the duties necessary to keep the government running? The very concept is absurd – yet that is exactly what the prosecutors are arguing.
Fortunately, we know that there is a distinction between what a federal officer is and what a federal employee is. Statute 18 USC § 372 specifically refers to the discharge of official duties by an officer. An officer of the government is someone who is required to take an oath to uphold and defend the US Constitution. Malhuer Refuge park rangers do not take such oaths and are not federal officers.

Therefore, the defendants cannot be found guilty of the charge of conspiring to impede federal officers. And the prosecution knows this – which is why they have perverted the wording of the statute itself. They have added the word “employee” into statute 18 USC § 372 so that the charges against Ammon Bundy and his associates include conspiracy against ANY federal employee. The prosecutors have conflated the distinct identification of officer and employee so that they are synonymous in meaning.

In other words, because the government prosecutors don’t have a legitimate case against Ammon Bundy, they have changed the wording, the meaning and the intent of the federal law to suit their own personal agenda. This is unethical, diabolical and immoral - and it is a brilliantly shining example of the very government corruption and injustice that prompted Ammon Bundy and his associates to take a stand in the first place.

Despite the fact that the statute is crystal clear that it only applies to conspiracies to impede actual officers of the government – and not the tens of thousands of cafeteria workers, trash collectors, lawn maintenance personnel and park rangers – the judge overseeing the case, Anna J. Brown, told the jury that the defenses strict interpretation of the statute doesn’t apply in this case. In essence, she told the jury that the government prosecutors are allowed to change insert new ideas into statute 18 USC § 372 and change the statutes meaning if they so choose. The bias and corruption of Judge Brown seemingly knows no bounds.

This kind of judicial and governmental abuse of the rights of our fellow citizens is what Ammon and the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom were fighting against from the very beginning. Back in February, speaking from his jail cell, Ammon Bundy said, “”When government officials are acting unjustly against the people, they must not get away with it. The takeover of the Malheur refuge was a needed action to show government officials that the people will not be complacent when they prosecute and bully good families like the Hammonds.”
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[midnight rambler]

14 large black bins, topped with bright yellow lids. The bins contained evidence bags holding tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition recovered.

Federal agents bagged as evidence a total of 18,331 separate pieces of ammunition at the refuge - including 16,636 live rounds

Dramatic effect.

17 gallon storage bins -

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[monty]

Dramatic effect.

17 gallon storage bins -

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Thats a lot of bucks for ammo, I wonder if Uncle Sam furnished it? The FBI NEVER LIES.

[monty]

Ammon Bundy's motion to stay trial pending appeal and declaration of attorney Morgan Philpot



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[midnight rambler]

Thats a lot of bucks for ammo, I wonder if Uncle Sam furnished it? The FBI NEVER LIES.

The unknown is how many rounds of that was .22 LR ammo. And if there wasn't a huge amount of .22 LR ammo in that 'stockpile' then for 34 guns that only amounts to ~two to three hundred dollars of ammo per gun on average. In reality, not really a great amount individually, i.e. ~500 rounds per gun on average.

[monty]

The unknown is how many rounds of that was .22 LR ammo. And if there wasn't a huge amount of .22 LR ammo in that 'stockpile' then for 34 guns that only amounts to ~two to three hundred dollars of ammo per gun on average. In reality, not really a great amount individually, i.e. ~500 rounds per gun on average.


Good point. I didn't take the time to do the math. So, that isn't prohibitive.

[midnight rambler]

Good point. I didn't take the time to do the math. So, that isn't prohibitive.

What looks more menacing? 15 .50 cal ammo cans or a huge fucking pallet the size of a tote??

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[monty]

The Defense, Day 11 from Rangefire http://rangefire.us/2016/09/29/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-continues-part-2-the-defense-case/


THE DEFENSE CASE
DAY 11 — Wednesday, September 28, 2016

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The defense case actually started on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, late in the afternoon, immediately following conclusion fo the government’s case in chief, when the prosecution rested. Several defense motions were filed at that juncture, some of which were argued Tuesday afternoon, including a motion by defense attorney, Tiffany Harris, arguing that the term “federal officers” referred to 28 USC 372, the civil war conspiracy statute Defendants are charged with violating, is not applicable to run-of-the-mill federal employees, as the government has alleged. Consequently, she and other defense attorneys argued for a narrower interpretation of the term “officer.” Attorney Per Olson argued that under the constitution and other a correct definition and understanding of term only includes those who are required to swear an oath, as part of their federal position and title, to uphold the constitution. Although the argument seemed fairly compelling, Judge Brown denied the motion.

Defendant Attorney Mathew Schindler also filed a motion for acquittal on behalf of his attorney, Kenneth Medenbach, arguing that there is insufficient evidence to tie Medenbach to any alleged conspiracy to impede or interfere with federal officers, nor is there any evidence that he was armed at the refuge, claiming that no

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reasonable jury could reach that conclusion. Judge Brown likewise denied that motion. Today, before the defense started calling witnesses Ryan Bundy also filed a motion for acquittal/dismissal, and Ammon Bundy’s attorneys filed a motion to stay any further trial proceedings based on their appeal of Judge Brown’s denial of their previous motion for an injunction. But Judge Brown denied all defense motions.

And just to give a little better idea how it works, all such motions are argued outside the presence of the jury. Such motions are typically argued among the attorneys and the judge either at the end of the day after the jury has been excused, or at the beginning of the day before they are brought in to the court room.

When the defense did finally start calling witnesses to testify on Wednesday morning, they called a shotgun array of witnesses that had previously testified for the government, including MNWR manager Chad Karges, Refuge employe Carla Burnside, and a number of FBI agents.

Among other things, Special Agent Ben Jones testified that he attended LDS (Mormon) Church services in Burns on January 10th to conduct surveillance on the Defendants, including Ryan Bundy, to attended church there that day.

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Other FBI Agents, including AGent Chadd Lapp, testified that the FBI received intelligence on January 1st that there was talk among the Defendants and/or people associated with them about the possibility of doing something at the refuge. The agents testified that there were multiple government informants among the so-called “militia” at the refuge during the occupation, and they testified that Mark McConnell was paid for his services to the FBI, although Judge Brown would not allow them to disclose how much he was paid. Agents were also asked about the role of Refuge neighbors, Rancher Andy Dunbar, and his son, who were likewise paid by the FBI. Agent Lapp also contradicted the previous testimony of Harney County Sheriff’s deputy, Lt. Brian Needham.

As you may recall, Lt. Needham testified about his conversation with Ryan Payne, who had come into the sheriff’s office on his own one day, seeking to talk with Sheriff Ward. According to Agent Lapp, Lt. Needham’s court testimony went considerably beyond anything he had told Agent Lapp in their interview.


According to Lapp’s report, Needham had mentioned that Payne had told him that an elected official should be removed from office “by any means necessary” if they were not upholding the Constitution. Lapp said Needham didn’t relay to him any reference Payne made to Sheriff Dave Ward, and didn’t suggest that the removal “by an means necessary” should include “death,” as Needham had testified previously.



The Defendants also played recordings of conversations between Ammon Bundy and FBI negotiators at various points along the way. In those negotiations, when Ammon Bundy was asked what they occupiers wanted, he said they wanted Hammonds to be returned to their families, and they wanted the Refuge to be turned over to Harney County, and the ranchers it had been taken from.


Lawyers for Ammon Bundy, the leader of the refuge occupation, and six co-defendants have repeatedly argued in court that their clients never intended to prevent the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service or the Bureau of Land Management from doing their work — the thrust of the federal conspiracy charge they face. They’ve even argued that defendants haven’t even talked about workers from those federal agencies. Instead, they’ve said that they were engaged in a political protest, and intended to stake claim to and they didn’t believe that the federal government should control.



The Jury also heard from Native American Elder, Sheila Warren, from the Siletz Tribe. Warren is a registered nurse, who previously worked for Indian Health Services, and then for the VA. She had come to the Refuge to see for herself and “get to the bottom” of whether the artifacts housed at the Refuge had been harmed in any way by the occupiers, as had been reported in the news. She said she was trying to get a feel for the place, and the occupiers so she could tell “what was true and what was not.” She said that the people she met were very open, friendly, and she did not see any firearms at the Refuge. She also testified that she notice a lot of areas that had been cleaned-up at the Refuge. She said that she examined the artifacts, and they were dusty and dirty, and there were plenty of rodent droppings among them, but they were in tact and had not damaged.

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When Defendant Ryan Bundy asked her if she ever heard people at the Refuge talk about preventing Refuge employees from coming on the property, she responded “Just the opposite. They said they were not threatening or hurting anyone.”

On cross-examination, U.S. Attorney Ethan Knight asked her if the Siletz tribe had disavowed her visit to the Refuge, to which she responded that she was not speaking for the tribe. When Knight asked her why she had been willing to talk to Ryan Bundy, at the Refuge, but had been subsequently unwilling to talk to the FBI, she said “I didn’t trust the FBI,” which seemed to be a fair response to the question asked, but Judge Brown admonished her

When Attorney Marcus Mumford asked her why she didn’t trust the FBI, she said “Because I heard that five of them…were under investigation for lying,” Judge Brown cut her off, and said that her statement should be stricken and not considered by the jury, although, again, it seemed highly relevant and responsive to the question asked.

When Attorney Tiffany Harris asked Warren about efforts by FBI Agent Ronnie Walker to talk to her in May, she said she wouldn’t talk to him because she felt threatened by him.

Another FBI agent was called to establish that in rancher Andy Dunbar’s testimony he said that he had never spoken to Ammon Bundy, but in his conversation with FBI Agent Burns, he said that he had spoken to Bundy.

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FBI negotiator Marc Maxwell testified about the last stage of the occupation, and his talks with the four remaining hold-outs, including David Fry. He said on Feb. 11, Fry talked to him by phone about killing himself, and his fear of being sexually assaulted if he went to jail. Maxwell told him he could be placed in segregation, and tried to talk to Fry about his family.

“At some point, Maxwell said, Fry said he wanted pizza and a smoke, and if you all say ‘hallelujah,’ he’d come out,” Maxwell testified. “I said ‘hallelujah,’ and he came out.”

Tomorrow, Thursday, which is the last day of the four-day week for the jury, the Defense plans to call Rev. Franklin Graham, who was involved in the final negotiations to end the occupation. Defense attorneys said that they also intend to re-call Harney County Sheriff David Ward, and that if there is enough time, on Thursday, Ammon Bundy may take the stand.

For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/)

RANGE (http://rangemagazine.com/) / RANGEFIRE! — Addressing Issues Facing the West / Spreading America’s Cowboy Spirit Beyond the Outback

[monty]

Lowlife scum Mark McConnell was likely paid $25,000.00 to setup LaVoy Finicum for assasination

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Deborah Jordon's exclusive report

GMN Exclusive – Ryan Payne Says Mark McConnell Most Likely Received $25,000.00 For His Role As Informant During Malheur Occupation

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MARK McCONNELL
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The driver’s name was Mark McConnell, and he wasted no time to go on the defensive when news spread on social media, that according to the testimony of Oregon State Trooper Jeremiah Beckert, he was the informant who gave OSP/FBI the logistics and support they needed to execute the ambush that lead to the death of LaVoy Finicum and arrest of Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Shawna Cox, Ryan Payne and Brian Cavalier. Those closest to McConnell say Mark denies having worked with law enforcement to make possible the ambush that would lead to one man’s death, and the incarceration of occupation leadership. McConnell’s official stance was, he did not do it and Oregon State Trooper Beckert lied on the stand. While McConnell refused to speak with me for the purpose of writing this article, he has spoken to many about what he says was a radical idea being formed at the refuge, and readily admits he did inform Law Enforcement and the FBI of plans to kidnap Sheriff David Ward’s children, and use explosives found on the refuge to blow-up the Harney County Courthouse.

Two days after the death of LaVoy Finicum I spoke with McConnell in room 123, at the now infamous Silver Spur Motel in Burns,Oregon – I asked him point blank about how it could be everyone in the convoy was arrested except him? His reply was simply, “I’m not really sure, but when they questioned me it was pretty clear they didn’t even know who I was” he said .. Maybe it was because I wasn’t like all the other retards up there who couldn’t stay off social media.” I stayed under the radar – I had a room in town – I fed myself, and I didn’t start a fundraiser”I then asked him how it all went down that night.

He said that he and Booda “aka” Brian Cavalier, were sporadically chatting about much of nothing when they passed vehicles that immediately pulled out and began to follow them. There was some contention between him and Cavalier he says, because a woman Cavalier thought of as his girlfriend was giving him [Mark McConnell] a lot of attention, and “Booda wasn’t very happy about that” he said, “So we really didn’t have much to say to each other.” I wasn’t really paying much attention to what was going on around us, and then suddenly Cavalier says “Oh shit” and sits straight up, and thats when I saw them sitting there on the side of the road. McConnell then told me, when they pulled him over he was the first to exit the jeep and that he told them he was armed. “They told me to keep my hands up, turn around and walk backwards to them slowly and I did what they told me to.

“It was crazy you know because – I thought, this is it – I’m going to jail. Then they put me on my knees and I spent the next two hours on the cold ground. They questioned me he said, and then after they talked to me for a while they just let me go. I mean, I guess they figured I was a nobody who just got caught up in the whole thing and that was probably because I was smart and stayed away from the cameras, and so they told me that they couldn’t arrest me because they didn’t have an indictment for me — To be honest I can’t really tell you why I wasn’t arrested.”

At one point in our conversation I used the word “ambush” to describe the event that took place on Hwy 395, and that’s when McConnell lost his composure with me. He became very angry with me for using the word ambush –


“It wasn’t a fucking ambush he scolded, it was a legal fucking stop and people need to stop calling it that!” And you wanna know something else? If LaVoy had rushed me like he did those guys, I probably would have shot him too”


That was the last time I spoke with Mark McConnell.

Ken Rhoades, aka [Orange Hat Man], stood silently in the room with me and listened to Mark;s version of the event. When Mark left, Ken turned to me immediately and said, ” That Motherfucker is working with the Feds, I’ll bet my life on it.” I told Ken then, and have said it many times after, ” I don’t know about working with them, but he sure is hiding something.”

In March of 2015 I contacted Mark McConnell’s friend Melvin Lee, not because I wanted information about McConnell, but because he had put out a very passionate video claiming that some of the women whose husbands had been incarcerated were being overlooked in fundraising efforts online. He challenged us all to pick up the slack and help these women out. I called him to get the information he had on the families most in need. Mr. Lee was angry. He said that he had gone to the Refuge to try to talk Ammon Bundy into leaving the Refuge and that Ammon would not listen; My conversation with Melvin Lee soon turned to Mark McConnell.
Melvin Lee was the first person to tell me that Mark had gone to the refuge a second time against his advise, because he felt that Ryan Payne was becoming dangerous and had added a radical element to the occupation. He told me that Payne suffered from a severe form of PTSD and his influence over some of the men up there worried both him and Mark McConnell.

Mark told Melvin Lee that he had supposedly overheard Jason Blomgren, AKA (Joker J) talking about plans to kidnap Sheriff David Ward’s Children, and blow-up the Harney County Courthouse. He also told me that Mark went up there to specifically keep a watchful eye on Payne and “take him out” if he made one step toward carrying out that plan.

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Ryan Payne says now in hind-sight, that he should have listened to Jason Patrick, a long time friend and co-occupier at the Malheur Refuge. “Jason just didn’t like the guy from the moment he stepped foot on the refuge,” says Payne.

Payne cannot remember who actually introduced him to, or told him about Mark McConnell, but he knows they became acquainted during the incarceration of Andrew Tahmorressi, a United States Marine who had been jailed by Mexican Authorities for accidentally carrying weapons over the border. He says that looking back on it he was impressed with and liked McConnell who told him he was a United States Marine who transitioned to the Army and that they had many things in common.

“When the Occupation began we struggled to find people who were willing to come to Oregon to help with the protest and so we all just started calling the contacts in our phones, McConnell was one of those contacts in mine, he said.

Ryan says, because of Marks military training, work on the border, and willingness to be there at the Refuge, he was quickly assigned to personal security for Ammon Bundy. When I told Ryan about the excuse McConnell was using to justify his becoming an informant Payne said, “It’s just simply not true”


Like everything else concerning McConnell, this whole story about kidnapping plans and blowing up buildings, just doesn’t make any sense. If what Mark is saying were the truth then my arrest would have been about something much different. It would have been about that, and not a conspiracy to impede BLM and Fish and Wildlife from doing their duty. Mark didn’t come up there to stop some radical plan — He came there to do just what he said, and that was to watch me, and report back to the FBI like he has been doing for the past two years.


Ryan Payne says that he was running late on the afternoon of January 26th 2015. He had been out on the refuge with Victoria Sharpe showing her around; She had only been there a couple of days. When they made their way back to the refuge McConnell was agitated and in a panic; I had never seen him act like this before, he said. He was yelling at everyone about getting on the road and was very upset because he thought they were going to be late. We had a routine we followed before we left the Refuge for these meetings and McConnell was just screwing everything up. He insisted that we all go together and that Ammon ride in the lead car with him. The truth is Ammon had not planned to go with us to the meeting. He wanted to leave later because he was always the last speaker and he had some things he wanted to take care of at the Refuge and said he would meet us there later. McConnell was having a fit. He was persistent that Ammon just had to go now, and ride with him. At the last minute I think Victoria decided to go and Mark was very unhappy about that. It was all just so hectic and confusing and we skipped over our routine. The last thing we always did before we left the refuge was pray, and this time because Mark was acting so out of control, and pushing everyone so hard, we didn’t do it. I think the worse mistake we made was not saying that prayer – maybe if we had just forced McConnell to slow down and said that prayer, God would have told us not to go.

Payne says that in the discovery he and his attorney learned, that at least two informants had received a sizable amount of money for their part at Malheur. One check was cut for $25,000.00 and the other was for $10,000.00. He doesn’t know if McConnell got them both or if there was another informant, but was confident Mark got at least one of those checks and quite possibly both. That’s why he made up this outlandish lie — The bigger the lie the bigger the check.


“There was never a plan to kidnap Ward’s kids and there was never a plan to blow up buildings. Where is the proof? Did it ever come out in court? I was never questioned about it and neither was anyone else to my knowledge except “maybe” Jason (Blomgren) who stated when asked, that there may have been a discussion of last resort plans to plant IED’s to slow down the FBI if they came after us. And to my knowledge I don’t ever remember even having had that conversation with Jason, nor do I think he ever said I did.

No, Mark McConnell was sent there to gather intel and cause division, and that’s exactly what he did and exactly what he’s still doing. We all knew the minute he was let go that he had set us all up. He was working with them to figure out a way to get us all together so they could end the occupation. And that is exactly what he accomplished, and a good man died because of Mark McConnell.


Ryan had a message for Mark at the end of our talk;


I want him to know I feel sorry for him. When all is said and done Mark, you will always be the one who did a terrible thing and will have to live with the death of LaVoy Finicum. I will never have to prove that I am telling the truth because you are the one telling the lie. God has a perfect plan – read Isaiah 44-45. I want you to know that despite what you did I am not angry – I want you to know I don’t hate you – I want you to know I forgive you.



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Jon Ritzheimer, another co-occupier and close friend to Payne says, “There is no way Ryan Payne ever had plans to do what McConnell is saying he had plans to do.” Jon makes it clear that he bunked with Payne on the refuge, and would have known if Payne was planning such a thing. Ritzheimer also disclosed to me that it was Mark McConnell and Melvin Lee who told Ammon Bundy they had intel that a raid was going to happen any minute and that they all needed to pack up and leave the refuge or die. “They both said the intel was solid, and we believed them.”

Jon now believes that McConnell purposefully caused panic that night so people would become frightened and leave, and that very likely the first plan to take them down was thwarted when they dug in their heels and refused to budge. Some have pointed out that McConnell could have very well told them of the false plans to raid the compound just to get an idea of their strategy so he could report back to the FBI. Regardless, Ritzheimer says that he believes Mark was working with the FEDS from the beginning. “He and Melvin Lee went there to cause chaos, and that’s exactly what happened.” Ritzheimer said.


“I’ll never forget that night. We were begging for help — we were begging the media to stay and help protect us, but they all left us there. LaVoy came up and sat there all night in the cold waiting to die in that parking lot. I tried to come up with an idea to make the media stay with their camera’s and the only thing I could think of was to get dressed in my fatigues and carry a gun, but that only worked for about an hour, and then they left. The only one willing to stay and keep his camera going was Pete Santilli. He sat in his truck between LaVoy and the road and waited for the FBI to come and hoped his camera would stop them from killing everyone.”


I have also seen where McConnell and Melvin Lee say they came to the Refuge to rescue a girl named Kristen and her baby, but that is also a big lie. Until they got to the refuge they didn’t even know Kristen was there. I know this because, I am the one who told them about her and asked them to take her back to Arizona with them when they left.

They were also the ones behind Lewis Arthur’s big show when he came up there thinking he was going to get by with beating up a sick Vietnam Vet, pushing his way past the gate screaming and yelling that he had come to rescue one of his “men” he had heard was in trouble. It was all a lie made up by Mark McConnell. Lewis Arthur founded the movement called Veterans on Patrol in Arizona, and reports are he was asked to leave Bundy Ranch for bad behavior.

Jon Like Ryan, points out that kidnapping and bombs were never mentioned by Prosecutors, and if McConnell gave them evidence that proved that that was the ‘BIG PLAN” then they would have definitely used it.

JASON BLOMGREN
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Jason Blomgren’s close friend Angelia Balch, former National President for the III % Organization, stands by her friend and says that everything that comes out of Mark McConnell’s mouth about Jason is a lie; Jon Ritzheimer agrees:


We had our times with Jason, and there did come a time when I had to tell him to take down a video or two, but it wasn’t because they were violent or anything like that — We just thought they were silly and didn’t represent the message we wanted to convey. I do not believe Jason ever told McConnell that Ryan Payne planned to kidnap kids and blow-up buildings, and I don’t believe Jason ever informed on us. Mark McConnell is a liar and that’s all there is to it.


Jason Blomgren was subpoenaed by the Government to testify against his co-occupiers in the trial of Ammon Bundy et al — but, said his friend Angelia Balch, Jason was a hostile witness who never cooperated with the FBI. At the last moment the Government decided to dismiss Mr. Blomgren as a witness, and did not call him to the stand.

Jason Blomgren had no comment.

MELVIN LEE
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Melvin Lee now say’s that he doesn’t know what to believe about his friend Mark. “I hate to think he would lie to me, he said – but I will stand by him and defend him from anyone who tries to come after him.” To tell you the truth, I’m just as confused as everyone else, he said. Melvin walked away from a organization he founded known as The Patriot Warriors nearly three months ago, and says he has also walked away from the Patriot Community for good.

There are those like Melvin Lee who are still willing to defend McConnells actions and say despite handling the situation the wrong way, he is a good man. They stand by his decision to become an informant, and say he did the right thing. McConnell’s friends say, now that his name has been disclosed his life, and the life of his family and friends are in danger, and that they were shocked to learn they had set him up and outed him to the public.

Now Isn’t that ironic?

END ARTICLE

[monty]

Shari Dovale's assesment of the the defenses's first day of rebuttal

http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/29/malheur-defense-starts-bang/

Malheur Defense Starts With a Bang

By Shari Dovale (http://redoubtnews.com/?s=Shari+Dovale)

Today began the defense case in the Malheur Protest Trial in Portland. The jury heard a 40 minute audio recording of a call between FBI Negotiator Christopher Luh and Ammon Bundy.

Bundy explained to Luh how the protesters were cleaning the refuge, making repairs and working with the community. We heard Ammon estimate that about 1,000 community members had come to the refuge and shared information. One of the most prominent stories that Ammon shared on this call was how the “Fires have been so destructive to them and how it appears that the Bureau of Land Management is only there to make money on the fires.”

“They’re not there to put the fires out,” Bundy explained. He then went on to give statistics on the poor management (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/) of the BLM versus the local volunteer fire group. They have a track record of keeping the fires down to less than a thousand acres when the volunteers are on it, but “when the Bureau of Land Management firefighters are on it there’s hundreds of thousands of acres.”

Another powerful witness was Sheila Warren, an elder with the Confederated Tribes of Siletz Indians (http://www.ctsi.nsn.us/). She testified that, after hearing news reports of what was happening at Malheur, she decided to investigate the events herself. She was very concerned for the reported abuse of the Paiute artifacts. She arrived on January 24th and spent several hours overall.
Warren testified that she went into an office building and never saw damage, the people were respectful, the refuge was clean, and the general atmosphere was open and responsive. She also testified that she never saw any guns during her time there. This part of her testimony was important because she said that she specifically looked for weapons, due to the media reports.
She reported that the artifacts were not being abused and she tried repeatedly to reach the Burns Paiute Tribal Chair, Charlotte Rodrique (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/01/23/paiutes-not-really-worried-about-artifacts-at-refuge/), though she was unsuccessful.

After leaving the refuge and returning home, Warren testified of a phone call she received from FBI Agent Ronnie Walker. He did not immediately identify himself to her but did attempt to bully her into talking to him. Walker told this Tribal Elder that she did not have a choice but to talk to him, and she was made to feel as if she did something wrong by visiting the refuge.

Judge Anna Brown did not want to let the jury hear this information, but Tiffany Harris, Shawna Cox’s (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/13/opening-statements-malheur-protest-trial/) attorney, did a wonderful job in questioning and getting the information presented. Warren was able to present the fact that she felt threatened by Agent Walker.

There have been several FBI agents testifying during this trial. Ronnie Walker has been treated very special by the court in that he has been allowed to sit through each day in the courtroom, listening to all the testimony, before he himself testified, repeatedly. Not even the other agents have received that privilege Certainly no regular citizen witnesses would be allowed this same benefit.

That isn’t the only unusual behavior by the FBI during this trial. Agent Lapp is a prime example of the disrespect the FBI has for the jury and these proceedings. He was assigned to this case in November 2015. However, this trained investigator was not able to recall most details of which he was questioned. He could not remember who’s Facebook accounts were being reviewed, other than Ammon’s. He couldn’t even remember when he started watching these accounts.

When questioned about the government informants at the refuge, his memory got even worse. He couldn’t remember how many informants there were, or who they were, or much about them in general. He was finally prompted to reveal that he saw a written proposal to pay Mark McConnell (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/21/mcconnell-outed-government-informant/)for being a government informant.

Several agents claimed to “not recall” specifics of their investigations, except when prompted by their “302” reports. These reports are the written summaries they fill out about witness interviews. It seems to me, when they are called to testify, they should at least review their notes, reports, or even the case files, to prepare for their testimony. Too many times today they appeared incompetent by falling back on the “I do not recall” answers.

Tomorrow will be another big day for the defense. Sheriff David Ward will return from Harney County. Reverend Franklin Graham is also expected to testify, as well as the possibility of Ammon Bundy taking the stand.

Judge Anna Brown (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/26/explaining-malheur-protest-trial/) has begun to push the defense to make a minimal case and wrap it up by early next week. Today was the first day, and they are not in court on Friday. So, 2 days this week, maybe 2 days next week, is a dramatic shortening of their evidence.

There is a video that the defense wants to admit and show the jury, but speculation is running that Judge Brown will not allow it, as it will just lengthen the case. Yes, she can be very intimidating to attorneys. However, their future does not trump these defendant’s freedom.

I hope they get their full day in court.

[monty]

The more this trial and the Hillary affair progress it becomes blatantly obvious there is not an honest person in the current administration or in the federal justice system. Growing up I was proud of my country. Today I am disgusted by what has happened to our country.

Daily we are presented with more proof of the FBI instigating, planning and carrying out assasinations, planting false evidence, and committing perjury to arrest and convict innocent Americans. Paying informants, planting evidence, anything goes.

The failure to arrest and reccommend not to indicte the treasonous Hillary Clinton by the Director on the top to the lying and intimidation of men and women around the Malheur Reseve by local FBI agents on the ground display how corrupt and evil the organization has become.

Even worse, with the blatantly obvious evidence that LaVoy Finicum's assasination was planned and executed by these devils it is swept under the carpet. Apparently there is not an honest person in law enforcement or the judiciary who will bring charges against these murderous cowards.

The judge, the court clerk and the prosecutors in the trial, plowing ahead where they know they lack jurisdiction, are complicit in the overreach and corruption Ammon Bundy was intent on exposing.

They are all doing the work of Satan.

Rangfire.us
http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/FBI-2-150x150.jpg (http://rangefire.us/2016/09/25/evidence-mounts-against-the-fbi-across-the-board/)
Evidence Mounts Against the FBI — Across the Board (http://rangefire.us/2016/09/25/evidence-mounts-against-the-fbi-across-the-board/)

September 25, 2016 - Government/Politics (http://rangefire.us/category/politics/) - Tagged: Bundy (http://rangefire.us/tag/bundy/), cover-up (http://rangefire.us/tag/cover-up/), FBI (http://rangefire.us/tag/fbi/), Finicum (http://rangefire.us/tag/finicum/), Malheur (http://rangefire.us/tag/malheur/), Oregon Standoff (http://rangefire.us/tag/oregon-standoff/), Range (http://rangefire.us/tag/range/), RANGEfire (http://rangefire.us/tag/rangefire/) - no comments (http://rangefire.us/2016/09/25/evidence-mounts-against-the-fbi-across-the-board/#respond)
According to The Daily Bell,” Loss of FBI Reputation is Irredeemable: James Comey Will Resign. It appears the FBI’s involvement and obvious cover-up in the deadly roadblock that killed LaVoy…

Read Post → (http://rangefire.us/2016/09/25/evidence-mounts-against-the-fbi-across-the-board/)

[midnight rambler]

Today I am disgusted by what has happened to our country.

Mooshell is finally proud of Amerikkka. Get with the program or get out!

[monty]

Jeff Banta testified for the defence today. Read from bottom up

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[monty]

September 28 Briana Bundy on Twister Radio with host Jim Lambley


http://ice9.securenetsystems.net/media/KSDZ/ondemand/Oregon-Update-with-Brianna-Bundy.m4a

[monty]

Rangefire report, Day 12. http://rangefire.us/2016/09/29/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-continues-part-2-the-defense-case/


DAY 12 — Thursday, September 29, 2016
The pace of the defense case slowed down today. It had been anticipated that the defense would call Rev. Franklin Graham and Harney County Sheriff David Ward, and possibly even get to Ammon Bundy. Instead, there were just two witness: Reverend Graham and Defendant Jeff Banta.

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Rev. Graham testified about his role in the negotiations and ultimate resolution of the occupation. Jeff Banta had suggested him as a possible third-party negotiator because he didn’t trust the FBI negotiators he was dealing with. The the FBI’s credit, they made a good faith effort to enlist Graham’s assistance, and it appears to have

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played an important role in the final resolution and surrender of the final four hold-out occupiers at the Refuge, including Sean & Sandy Anderson, Jeff Banta and David Fry.

At a certain point Rev. Graham started communicating with the hold-outs on a daily basis, to establish rapport and a relationship with them. He said his main motivation was to try to help save lives on both sides. He said that both he and the occupiers were genuinely concerned that the FBI would run out of patience and just start shooting, just to end it. He said that in all his discussions with the last four hold-outs, he never heard them make any threats to anyone, and concluded that they were mostly just genuinely concerned about their own physical safety.

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On February 10th Graham responded to a plea from the FBI to come to Burns to be on the ground in an effort to negotiate an end to the occupation. Although the FBI offered to pay his airfare, he flew himself from North Carolina in his private plane, and was taken to the Refuge from Burns in an armored FBI vehicle, and was instrumental in helping to negotiate the final resolution of the occupation.

Graham said he had no formal standoff negotiation, and credits God with direction to help bring about a satisfactory conclusion, with no blood shed.

After Rev. Graham concluded his testimony, Defendant Jeff Banta testified. Judge Brown reminded him that he has a Fifth Amendment right to remain silent, but he said that he has nothing to hide. Banta testified that he went to the Refuge to support the protest in favor of the Hammonds. In fact he had hoped that Ammon Bundy might be able to make an introduction to the Hammond family to see if they could use some help on their ranch while Dwight and Steven were in prison. When asked on cross-examination why he had never talked to Ammon Bundy

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about that, Banta responded that Bundys were arrested so shortly after he got there that he didn’t have a chance to talk to them about it. He said that he only talked to Ammon Bundy for a minute or two and had no opportunity to get to know them first. Banta testified that because he didn’t trust the FBI, he suggested Rev. Franklin Graham as a negotiator. Banta testified about the final phase of the occupation, before surrendering to the FBI. He said he had a rifle and shotgun in this truck when he went to the Refuge, that he keeps there esssentially on a permanent basis for hunting and target practice. He also testified that a couple of “guys with white beards” showed up at the refuge, and made matters worse. He felt like they were either government agents, or agent provocateurs, actively seeking to stir things up and/or make things look worse than they really were.

Once again, after, late in the afternoon after the jury had been excused not just for the day, but also for the weekend, a myriad of motions were argued before Judge Brown. The only motion that Judge Brown did not deny outright, was Shawna Cox’s motion to dismiss Count II against her. Count II is the firearms charge. The

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government had said it had a witness who would testify that he saw Cox with a firearm at the Refuge, but everyone else said that was not the case, and the government did not call that witness curing its case in chief. Consequently the government put on no evidence that Shawna Cox ever possessed a weapon at the Refuge.
On that score, this is a good juncture to address another issues. Although no evidence was presented during the government’s case in chief that Ammon Bundy was ever seen with a firearm at the Refuge, evidence was presented that Ammon Bundy had purchased a Savage .300 win mag hunting rifle in Glendale, Arizona in 2012, which was one of the guns found at the Refuge.

Something I read in one of Conrad Wilson’s references, however, raised an interesting issue for me. When Bundys were arrested, in support of the charges against them, FBI Agent Katherine Armstrong signed a sworn statement stating that Ammon Bundy possessed and was armed with a .40 caliber handgun when he was arrested. But Armstrong was never called to testify, and this claim never came out in the evidence at trial. That raises all kinds of interesting questions. When you consider the ramifications of this, along with the increasingly obvious lies and cover-up by the FBI HRT team in connection with LaVoy Finicum’s shooting death, if it doesn’t leave you scratching your head, it should.

Although Judge Brown took Shawna Cox’s motion to dismiss Count II under advisement, she denied all other defense motions, and called it a week as far as presentation of evidence is concerned, which will resume next Monday, when Sheriff Ward is expected to testify, as well as Ammon Bundy.

In addition to talking to Trent Loos about all this on Rural Route Radio tomorrow morning, I also anticipate shooting some more live video clips to provide additional live commentary to wrap up the week.

For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/), or Gary Hunt at Outpost for Freedom (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/) and Redoubt News (http://redoubtnews.com/). We believe there needs to be alternative voices to mainstream media commentary and coverage of these issues.

RANGE (http://rangemagazine.com/) / RANGEFIRE! — Addressing Issues Facing the West / Spreading America’s Cowboy Spirit Beyond the Outback

[monty]

Trent Loos Rural Route Radio with Todd Macfarlane

http://ruralrouteradio.com/affiliates/friruralroute.mp3

[monty]

Todd Macfarlane on Rangfire with the Malheur Trial week 3 review

WEEK 3 RECAP COMMENTARY

Meanwhile Back at the Ranch

You can also listen a full Weekly Recap Interview on Rural Route Radio w/ Trent Loos (http://ruralrouteradio.com/affiliates/friruralroute.mp3)

Redshirt Friday — a Tradition in Honor of Our Troops and their Sacrifices

http://youtu.be/umSUa29VlG8

THE “GUN SHOW” — PROSECUTION PRESENTS ITS BEST EVIDENCE AND RESTS
AFTER NINE (9) DAYS

http://youtu.be/p1xpYoDQ1I0

GOVERNMENT EVIDENCE OF CONSPIRACY TO IMPEDE/INTERFERE BY THREATS, FORCE OR INTIMIDATION

http://youtu.be/4uaTdvZBuxo

FIREARMS EVIDENCE RE: SHAWNA COX & AMMON BUNDY
https://youtu.be/eU3Y1YjFyVw

PROOF BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT?

THE DEFENSE CASE — JUST GETTING STARTED

For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/), or Gary Hunt at Outpost for Freedom (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/) and Redoubt News (http://redoubtnews.com/). At RANGEFIRE! we believe there need to be alternative voices to mainstream media commentary and coverage of these issues.
RANGE (http://rangemagazine.com/) / RANGEFIRE! — Addressing Issues Facing the West / Spreading America’s Cowboy Spirit Beyond the Outback

[monty]

Todd Macfarlane added more video commentary on the Malheur trial week 3

FIREARMS EVIDENCE RE: SHAWNA COX & AMMON BUNDY

http://youtu.be/eU3Y1YjFyVw

PROOF BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT?
http://youtu.be/lZD2hb3w6Xo

THE DEFENSE CASE — JUST GETTING STARTED

http://youtu.be/Azw03ZXm8GA

[monty]

The bulldog in the room, Marcus Mumford who often bills himself as "The Stuttering Lawyer".

http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060043675



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SEARCH: (http://www.eenews.net/search) Back to E&E Publishing index page. (http://www.eenews.net/) OREGON STANDOFF:

The legal bulldog who might just free Bundy

Jeremy P. Jacobs (http://www.eenews.net/staff/Jeremy_P_Jacobs), E&E reporter

Greenwire: Friday, September 30, 2016PORTLAND, Ore. — One person has eclipsed even Ammon Bundy and the other defendants in the courtroom theatrics playing out over the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

It's Bundy's attorney, Marcus Mumford.

Mumford has unsuccessfully demanded a mistrial. He has claimed that federal prosecutors coached their witnesses to squeeze in prejudicial statements about his client that are irrelevant to the case. And his cross-examinations have sparked dozens of objections from prosecutors, nearly all of which have been sustained by federal District Court Judge Anna Brown.

The drama culminated last week in Brown threatening to hold Mumford in criminal contempt and fine him $1,000 if he did not follow her orders about what topics are off-limits during his questioning of witnesses.

To those who know or have gone up against Mumford in court, though, nothing about his handling of the trial is surprising.

CONTINUING COVERAGE

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E&E provides on-the-ground coverage of the armed occupation of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and analysis of the public lands controversies that sparked it.

The Salt Lake City-based lawyer is known for pushing a judge's limits in dogged defense of his client, an unusual tactic in the typically staid Utah legal community. On multiple occasions, Mumford has received contempt warnings from judges.

Those who know him described him as "combative" and "tenacious," and they emphasized that onlookers shouldn't be fooled by his unorthodox style. Mumford is short and stocky, with thinning gray hair. He frequently wears cowboy boots and somewhat ill-fitting suits to the courtroom. He looks a little like a bulldog, as another Utah lawyer described him.

He is fidgety — crossing and uncrossing his arms; gesturing rapidly; learning back in his chair, then abruptly sitting up — and he speaks with a severe stutter, a trait that would likely discourage most lawyers from pursuing courtroom litigation.

But he also delivers results. Mumford has been involved in some of the most high-profile lawsuits in Utah, and he has frequently come out on top.

"He should never be underestimated," said Brett Tolman, a former U.S. attorney for Utah and a law school classmate of Mumford.

Tolman said the Oregon standoff, which protested federal lands management, may have resonated with Mumford, whom he recalled as having a healthy mistrust of the government.

That, Tolman said, may make Mumford even more effective in the case.

"Ideologically," Tolman said, "he probably is an even more fearsome advocate when it's involving the government."

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Marcus Mumford. Photo courtesy of Mumford Law.

Mumford, 43, who like Bundy and several of the other Malheur occupiers is Mormon, did not respond to requests for comment.

He grew up on a farm in southeast Idaho. His father was a country lawyer. He attended Utah State University and Brigham Young University's law school, and later clerked for federal Judge Monroe McKay on the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

Mumford spent more than eight years at Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom in New York City, one of the country's largest and most prestigious law firms.

He then struck out on his own, representing defendants in high-stakes and complicated white-collar litigation.

Attorneys said he is remarkably hardworking, as well as eccentric. He is fluent in Italian and enjoys singing along to classic rock hits, such as Van Halen and Journey, according to a former partner.
Karra Porter, a prominent Salt Lake City attorney who knows Mumford, said it was gutsy to go into trial work with his speech impediment.

"It tells you a lot about his personality that he said, 'Forget that, I'm going to court,'" Porter said. Mumford, she said, has given presentations at conferences titled, "The Stuttering Lawyer."
His intellect, Porter said, is "off the chart."

Tactics that work

In the Oregon standoff case, Brown threatened Mumford with contempt after he repeatedly raised circumstances surrounding the police shooting and death of Robert "LaVoy" Finicum on Jan. 26, which precipitated the eventual end of the 41-day armed occupation on Feb. 11.

Brown has ordered that those questions are not relevant to the charges facing Bundy and the six other defendants — conspiracy to impede federal officials through threats, intimidation or force — and thus may not be raised in front of the jury.

"You are not to do that," Brown said, according to media reports.

Mumford's willingness to push the limits of a judge's order — and patience — is common practice for him.

Earlier this year, a federal district court judge in Utah also threatened Mumford with contempt and a $500 fine in a high-profile case involving whether an online marketing company had defrauded a bank and committed credit card fraud. Mumford represented one of three defendants in that case and pressed one of the prosecution's witnesses in a line of questioning that the judge had already deemed confusing to the jury and inadmissible.

And last year, he was sharply criticized by the same judge, David Nuffer, for missing 16 filing deadlines in a case where Mumford represented the Utah Republican Party.

Nevertheless, Mumford has proved effective.

In 2014, he got charges dropped against Rick Koerber, who was accused of running a $100 million Ponzi scheme. (Prosecutors may still refile that case.)

And last year, Mumford secured the release of Marc Sessions Jenson, a former businessman who was implicated in a public corruption scandal involving influence peddling in the state attorney general's office.

"No one that I am aware of has gotten more acquittals in large cases in Utah," said Nathan Crane, another Salt Lake City attorney.

'What even happened?'

Lawyers who have worked with and against Mumford said he has cultivated a way of using his appearance and stutter to his advantage.

Bret Rawson, a former partner of Mumford, said it's his "secret weapon."

"Here is an attorney who has an immediate built-in mechanism for not only underdogging himself but endearing himself to juries in a way like no other attorney I've ever met," Rawson said.
Further, by pushing judges to chastise him in court — and baiting prosecutors to object to his questions — he makes himself the victim in the eyes of the jury.

It also distracts the jurors.

That could be an important tactic in a case like the Oregon standoff trial, where the government has reams of evidence against the defendants and there seems to be little question of facts in the case. The defense began presenting its case this week.

"He is one of these guys where if he can get you in knife fighting range, that favors him," said an attorney familiar with Mumford's handling of other cases who would only speak anonymously due to the sensitive nature of ongoing litigation.

"He's not afraid to mix it up."

Matthew Schindler, a Lake Oswego, Ore., attorney who represents another defendant in the case, Kenneth Medenbach, said, "What Marcus does, Marcus does intentionally."

He noted that Mumford's unconventional cross-examination style — scattered, at times borderline incoherent and frequently eliciting objections — creates the opportunity for the jury to lose sight of what the prosecution established during its direct examination of the witness.

"It creates this kind of blizzard," Schindler said. "By the time you're done, you are left saying, 'What did the government say? What even happened?'"

The earlier attorney, speaking anonymously, said Mumford's relentlessness in court is in some ways similar to what was displayed by the occupiers during the standoff.

"He won't stop until he's in handcuffs," the attorney said.

[Tumbleweed]

Ernie Wayne Tertelghte explains A2/AD and the constitution of 1789. Near the end of the video the problems the Bundys are having with the government avoiding the constitution comes up and he ties it in with what he has been explaining.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRkIHVQiw_s

[monty]

Ammon Bundy says the court has left him no choice but to take the witness stand so the jury hears the truth

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/ammon_bundy_says_he_feels_the.html

Also Oregon Libe reported on Court dropped fire arm charge against Shawna Cox and Sheriff Dave Ward was back on witness stand:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/10/judge_drops_firearms_charge_ag.html

Ammon Bundy says he feels the court has left him no choice but to take the witness stand

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Ammon Bundy Monday told the court he has no choice but to take the witness stand in his own defense because of the judge's repeated rulings limiting defense testimony about the principles he and his co-defendants stood for to strictly evidence regarding their "state of mind.''

"I do not feel that I have a choice to testify here or not,'' Bundy told U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown, who wanted to make sure his decision to take the witness stand is his own.

Bundy criticized the court's rulings that limited defense lawyers in the federal conspiracy trial from discussing the principle of adverse possession – occupation of another's land to declare as one's one - or questioning the federal government's authority over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, "leaving me really with no choice but to get on the stand and possibly be a witness against myself.''

"I have no choice to get the truth to the jury but to get on the stand,'' Bundy continued.

Bundy, the leader of the occupation, also said he's eager to testify about the 2014 armed standoff with federal officers outside his father Cliven Bundy's ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada. Bundy, his brother and other co-defendants are facing a separate, federal prosecution in Nevada for the 2014 standoff.

Judge Brown asked if Bundy had discussed the risks of him testifying about Bunkerville, and the possibility that his statements could be used against him in his upcoming Nevada prosecution.

Bundy said he hadn't discussed the risks with his lawyers.

"What I did in Bunkerville, I'm very pleased at and very excited to discuss that further in this court and in any other court,'' Bundy told the judge.

As Brown suggested that Bundy take time to discuss the risks with his lawyer, he added, "I'm aware of the risks your Honor, and my decision will not change tomorrow.''

Bundy's statement to the judge came at the end of a full day of testimony in the trial, and as his lawyers prepare to call him as a witness sometime Tuesday morning.

Earlier Monday, the defense presented to jurors the man that the FBI only could identify as "Idaho Jerry,'' pictured playing a shofar, or ram's horn, on the refuge in mid-January.

The man who took the stand is not from Idaho and is not named Jerry.

He's Brand Nu Thornton, of Las Vegas, Nevada, who traveled to Burns on Dec. 27, and testified Monday that he joined with Ryan Bundy, Ryan Payne and others as part of the first group to travel to the refuge on Jan. 2 to clear the buildings.

In response to questions from defendant Neil Wampler's lawyer Lisa Maxfield, Thornton said he didn't bring a firearm to the refuge, but saw others carrying them down by their sides, walking through the property, checking doors. At some point, someone found a set of keys, he testified.

Thornton said he attended a meeting in the two back rooms of a café in Burns, located south of the Safeway parking lot, before the Jan. 2 march in support of Harney County ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr. and Steve Hammond.

It was there, he said, that Ammon Bundy discussed his plan to take over the refuge in a peaceful assembly to bring further light to the Hammonds' plight. The Hammonds were to return to federal prison two days later to complete a five-year federal sentence for arson on public lands.

Thornton said the meeting lasted a half hour to 45 minutes, and most of those attending were part of the initial group that traveled to the refuge that day.
Thornton remained at the refuge through Jan. 25, but was never arrested or charged with any crime, he said.

Thornton testified that he mostly stayed at the refuge headquarters, cleaning and scheduling appointments for Ammon Bundy, taking phone calls and feeding the birds daily.

He said the shofar is part of his ministry, and he would blow it occasionally at the refuge to break the tension when there were disputes between those present.

Defense lawyer Matt Schindler, asked, "Anyone damage buildings'' while you were there?

"No,'' Thornton responded.

"Do you believe you joined a conspiracy with Ammon Bundy?'' Schindler asked.

"No,'' he said.

"Are you worried about being arrested?'' Schindler continued.

"No,'' Thornton answered.
Prosecutors didn't question Thornton.

Defense lawyers called four other witnesses in the afternoon Monday, including two members of the Committee of Safety set up in Harney County and two other Burns residents.

Kim Rollins, a 31-year resident of Burns, challenged Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward's "straw vote'' of the community at a Jan. 7 meeting at the fairgrounds. He called it a "straw vote to get a certain reaction.'' Rollins said he put his hand up when Ward asked how many people wanted to end the situation peacefully, but then jerked his hand down on the second part of the question, when the sheriff asked "and want these people to go home?''

"I told him I didn't necessarily want them to go home. I wanted to hear what they had to say so I as an adult could consider what they had to say,'' Rollins testified.

He said he visited the refuge last in the summer of 2015 with young relatives, and scooped up the children because the floor in the bird museum was covered with rodent feces.

Pat Horlacher, a seven-year Burns resident who works as a silversmith making shoes for horses, said he lives 30 miles from the refuge. He said he drove to the refuge within several days of the takeover to "see for ourselves if this is a legitimate threat.''

Horlacher returned a few more times, bringing eight to 10 friends. He described the atmosphere at the refuge "as laid back an environment as you could ever ask for.''

In the community, he said, "there were people terrified out of their minds and it was all off of rumors.'' He said they thought it was this "really tense armed standoff,'' but "it was not.''

In contrast, he described the heavy presence of armed law enforcement outside the Harney County courthouse and elsewhere in Burns as akin to "a scene out of 'A Red Dawn.' ''

"It was ridiculous,'' he testified.

Two members of the Committee of Safety, formed after Burns residents met with Ammon Bundy on Dec. 15, also took the witness stand for the defense.
Travis Williams, a 25-year Harney County resident and fifth-generation rancher, said he went to the meeting to find out what was behind the Bundys' visit to Burns. "If this Ammon guy was a radical, I was going to go home,'' Williams testified.

But what Ammon Bundy said about ranchers losing their grazing rights and the federal government's overreach on land management "made more sense to me.''

"We need to start taking our country back. We need to stand up to the federal government,'' Williams said.

Melodie Molt, a longtime Burns resident who is a chief financial officer for a local drug and alcohol rehabilitation center, also testified. Her husband and sons, she said, raise organic hay, alfalfa and cattle.

Both Williams and Molt said they were nominated to serve on the county's Committee on Safety at that December meeting. It was Ammon Bundy's idea to form such a group, they testified.

They said they formed the group to educate the public about the federal government's overreach, and the Hammonds' unfair return to federal prison.
"I agree 90 percent with what Ammon Bundy is talking about, but I don't agree with the way he went about it,'' Williams testified.

Both visited the refuge during the takeover. Williams said he participated in prayer with the Bundys and other occupiers, and said they weren't threatening anyone. Molt said the refuge was tidy, and she didn't notice the firearms since they're "a way of life in Harney County.''

She said there was some discussion about an "exit strategy'' for the occupiers, but the committee couldn't hold a meeting because of Harney County comissioner Steve Grasty prohibited it from using any county buildings.

During cross-examination, Assistant U.S. Attorney Craig Gabriel asked Williams if the Committee of Safety is recognized by the Harney County government.
"No,'' Williams acknowledged.
"Was an election held by the registrar of Harney County?'' Gabriel asked.
"No,'' Williams responded.

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Ammon Bundy's questions and answer between him and Judge Anna Brown regarding his testifying tomorrow:

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Additional from Jen Cannon who is relaying to us from being able to be in court today:
When the judge was preparing Ammon for his testimony she is required to ask a Series if questions. These are not direct quotes, but what I caught and what I wrote.

Judge Brown says, you understand you have the absolute right not to testify and to remain silent or to testify.
Ammon replies I understand my rights, yes.

Judge Brown said.. I have limited the Bunkerville evidence in the prosecutions presentation. If you speak of it this can generate questions if you testify about Bunkerville.

Ammon says I am proud of what happened in Bunkerville and I am happy to explain that in any Court.
Judge Brown asks are you aware of the risks?

Ammon says yes and my decision will not change by tomorrow.

Judge Brown. You're agreeing your testimony here can be used against you in Bunkerville.

Ammon says because you have blocked or defense in everyway I have no choice but to get on the stand and get the truth to the jury in order to clear this confusion. I have no other choice but to make a stand.


Judge Brown asks has anyone put any pressure on you to testify?
Ammon responds, to be totally honest, yes this court.

Judge Brown ask again has anyone person put pressure on you to testify.

Ammon says Anna Brown.

Judge Brown said let me clarify again has any other person put pressure on you to testify?

Ammon says besides this court? No

He takes the stand hopefully TOMORROW!

OCT. 4th 2016

They can't avoid it forever!

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Comment by Gary Hunt "Outpost of Freedom"


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From Maxine Bernstein's Twitter:
Judge asked AB if anyone has pressured him to testify. AB: 'Yes this court.' #Oregonstandoff (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/oregonstandoff?source=feed_text&story_id=1808408582705350)
Judge Brown asked AB again if any person has pressured him? AB: 'Other than this court, no.' #Oregonstandoff
I have no doubt, after reading this, that Ammon Bundy will do an excellent job on the Witness Stand

[monty]

Malheur Protest trial Day 13 Todd Macfarlane reporting on Rangfire

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/29/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-continues-part-2-the-defense-case/

DAY 13 — Monday, October 3, 2016
In significant developments today, Judge Brown dismissed Count II (the firearms charge) against Defendant Shawna Cox. She found that the government had presented no evidence to support the charge, and that no reasonable jury could convict her based on the evidence presented.

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Another significant development involved evidence presented by Tiffany Harris, Cox’s standby attorney, that in addition to the criminal charges that Dwight & Steven Hammond were prosecuted for, the BLM also filed a civil lawsuit against them. Under the circumstances Hammonds were ultimately forced to settle the case by agreeing to pay the BLM $400,000, and agreeing to give the BLM the right to acquire their ranch, including their private property, if they were not able to make the payment.

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HarneyCounty Sheriff David Ward also testified again. Although much of his testimony plowed old ground, with contentious bickering about his discussions and communications with Ammon Bundy and his associates, and it is doubtful that the Defendants got much mileage out of most of his testimony, ultimately he did again admit that he was not aware of any threats against federal officers or employees.

The Defendants then called a witness that the FBI had previously identified as “Idaho Jerry,” who was actually Brand Thornton. He testified about his involvement and actions at the Refuge. He said he was there with the

initial party on January 21, 2016, and http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Brand-Thornton-1-192x300.jpg
that he was there until January 25th. Thornton testified about his activities at the Refuge, including cleaning and repairs. He said he has never been arrested or charged with any crime associated with the occupation, and isn’t concerned that he will be. Despite confusion about his name and identity, Thornton is somewhat well-known for having a unique Shofar Horn that he blows under such circumstances, and did so on a regular basis at the Refuge during the occupation.

Four residents of Harney County, including Kim Rollins, Pat Horlacher, Travis Williams, and Melodi Molt also testified about their observations at the Refuge during the occupation, and their communications with Ammon Bundy. Rollins disputed Sheriff Ward’s version of what happened at certain public meetings, including the straw poll that was taken about requesting Bundys to leave. Horlacher said that the atmosphere at the Refuge was “laid-back” compared to the tense atmosphere in Burns, with the heavy law enforcement presence, which he said was “so much like a scene from Red Dawn that it was ridiculous.” Williams and Molt testified that they were nominated to serve on the executive committee of the Harney County Committee of Safety. Williams, a Harney County rancher, said that once he heard what Ammon Bundy had to say it struck a responsive chord with him. Although he didn’t necessarily agree with all of Bundys’ methods, he said he agreed with much of what they had to say in principle. Molt testified that there were discussions between the Committee of Safety and Bundys about an “exit strategy,” but Harney County Judge Steve Grasty refused to allow them to hold a meeting in any public building in the county to talk about it.

At the end of the day, Ammon Bundy told Judge Brown that he felt like he had no choice but to take the stand and testify. He said because she was not willing to allow any other evidence to explain what their other motives might have been, he felt like he had no choice but to take the stand to testify about his state of mind and intentions with respect to the occupation.

On an interesting side note, Oregonian reporter Maxine Bernstein has written an interesting article about the small-scale tourist attraction the Oregon Standoff Trial has become for downtown Portland this Fall (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/were_obsessed_oregon_standoff.html), with people coming from near and far to observe the proceedings.

For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/), or Gary Hunt at Outpost for Freedom (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/) and Redoubt News (http://redoubtnews.com/).

At RANGEFIRE! we believe there needs to be alternative voices to mainstream media commentary and coverage of these issues.

RANGE (http://rangemagazine.com/) / RANGEFIRE! — Addressing Issues Facing the West / Spreading America’s Cowboy Spirit Beyond the Outback

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Oct. 3, Ammon Bundy stands up to Judge Brown


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Ammon Bundy tells his story to the jury as told by Oregon Live

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/ammon_bundy_testifies_saying_h.html


Ammon Bundy says he tried to resist father's push to rally around Oregon ranchers

Ammon Bundy carried a worn Bible to the witness stand Tuesday and portrayed himself as a weak underdog pitted against a powerful federal government that has tried to crush his family.

Asked where he lived, Bundy said, "At the Multnomah County jail...just across the street. I've been there eight and a half months.''

Bundy became emotional on the stand several times, his voice quivering as he described how "useless'' it seems fighting against the federal government who has put his father, his brothers and himself in jail.

Bundy, the leader of the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, has pleaded not guilty to conspiring to prevent federal employees from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and U.S. Bureau of Land Management from carrying out their work through intimidation, threats or force during a 41-day occupation of the federal wildlife sanctuary. He was arrested Jan. 26 as he and other leaders were driving to a community meeting in John Day.

The 41-year-old also faces indictment in Nevada, along with his father, Cliven Bundy, and his brothers, stemming from their 2014 standoff with federal officers from the U.S. Bureau of Land Management who were attempting to corral the senior Bundy's cattle based on a federal court order. The Bundys and hundreds of armed supporters thwarted the federal agency, and its officers backed away. Federal charges weren't issued in the Bunkerville case until after the takeover of the refuge in Oregon had occurred.

Ammon Bundy told jurors that his family has grazed cattle at their ranch near Bunkerville since they homesteaded in the 1870s. But he didn't mention anything about his father owing the government more than $1 million in grazing fees. His father stopped paying after the bureau ordered him to restrict the periods when his herd roamed the 600,000-acre ranch land as part of an effort to protect the endangered desert tortoise.

Instead, Bundy said his family faced a "tremendous amount of abuse'' for trying "to protect these grazing rights that we own.''

Bundy said the Bunkerville standoff "certainly affected'' his viewpoints towards the federal land management agency. Since the 2014 event, he said he was driven to find ways to protect his family's grazing rights and other ranchers' property rights, calling it their "life blood.'' He said he worked with Nevada lawmakers to push for a Nevada Resource Rights Registry, which would have required the state to defend what he called "vested property rights'' – be it water, grazing, logging or mineral rights – from federal control. It wasn't passed.

"This is the dangerous point the federal government doesn't want anyone to know...we do have rights to these lands,'' Bundy told jurors. "In my belief, there has been a strategic effort by the federal government in taking these rights.''

His voice choking with emotion, Bundy said it's been nearly impossible to challenge the federal government. "We can't do it against these people. They're too smart. They're too strong. We can't fight them. Now they're prosecuting us....My dad and brothers are all in jail right now, every single one of them. It's wrong,'' Bundy said, tears filling his eyes. "It's wrong....again, I'm sorry.''

Bundy said he initially resisted his father Cliven Bundy's push in the summer and fall of 2015 to get involved in the case of Harney County ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr. and Steve Hammond. As a child, Bundy noted, his father took his children "with him wherever he went.''

Bundy said he didn't know anything about the Hammonds' case, but his father kept bringing it up. In October, he said Cliven Bundy asked him again what he knew about the Hammonds' sentencing.
"He said, 'I'm afraid what's happening...,'' Ammon Bundy said, pausing mid-sentence as he fought back tears, unable to get more words out.

Struggling to compose himself, he continued, trying to complete what his father had told him, "He said, 'I'm afraid what's happening is the same thing that happened to us.' ''

"At that time I said, I can't fight another battle. We're doing the best we can to keep our family from going to prison,'' testified Bundy, a pocket Constitution in the left front pocket of his blue jail scrubs.
Ammon Bundy told his father he couldn't get involved, and that's what partly led him to move his family from Arizona to Emmett, Idaho in the fall of 2015. Bundy told jurors he's a married man with six children, and a family Christmas photo was displayed to jurors. His wife, Lisa Bundy, sat in the public gallery Tuesday.

But less than a month later, Ammon Bundy said he had a change of heart. While in bed on the evening of Nov. 2, he said he picked up someone's message on his phone, and clicked on a story about the re-sentencing of Dwight Hammond Jr. and Steve Hammond.

He said he still tried to resist "this overwhelming feeling that it was my duty to get involved, and try to protect this family.''

"I had to suppress that feeling a little bit and say no, that was not my responsibility until I couldn't any longer,'' Bundy testified.

Later that night, he started searching the Internet and reading everything he could find on the Hammonds' case, he said.

On Nov. 3, Ammon Bundy said he typed a letter, addressed "To: Aware Citizens and Government Officials,'' and posted it on his family's blog, Bundyranch.blogspot.com.

It began, "Our hearts and prayers go out to the Hammond family with deep empathy.''
The lengthy letter called the "injustices'' they believed the Hammond family was facing "hard to comprehend'' and alerted federal officials that further incarceration of the Hammonds could lead to civil unrest.

"We warn federal agencies, federal judges and all government officers that follow federal oppressive examples that the people are in unrest because of these types of actions,'' it read.

Ammon Bundy said he then decided to travel to Oregon to meet with the Harney County ranchers to "understand who they were.''

Ammon Bundy said he met with Steven Hammon initially. Steven Hammond gave him a ride in the back of his pickup to his ranch, about 30 miles away.

The Hammonds were convicted in June 2012 of arson to federal land. Dwight Hammond Jr. was convicted of one count of arson to Bureau of Land Management land in Harney County. His son was convicted of two counts of arson on Bureau of Land Management land, as well as land belonging to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, the judge instructed jurors.

The father initially was sentenced to three months prison in October 2012, and his son to one year and one day of prison. On Feb. 7, 2014, the 9th U.S. District Court of Appeals overturned the sentence and the father and son were re-sentenced in October 2015 to serve out a mandatory minimum sentence of five years in federal prison. The arson statute they were convicted under is part of the wide-ranging Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act that Congress passed in 1996. A five-year sentence was required under the enhanced penalties provision for use of explosives or arson crimes, the judge told jurors.

Of his visit with Steven Hammond, Bundy said, "I began to understand he was pretty tired of fighting and he was pretty much broken emotionally...He was just going to take what was given.''

Bundy's lawyer, Marcus Mumford, asked his client how he responded to Steven Hammond's position.
"I didn't understand until I spent 8 ½ months in prison, how he felt,'' Bundy testified.

Co-defendant Ryan Payne, who had come to support the Bundy Ranch near Bunkerville in 2014, ended up joining Ammon Bundy in Burns last November. Together, he said, they visited with Dwight Hammond Jr. and his wife, and later with Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward.

Ammon Bundy is expected to return to the witness stand Wednesday morning.

As he remained on the witness stand Tuesday afternoon, his attorney played for jurors clips of video capturing part of the 2014 standoff in Bunkerville. They captured a woman Ammon Bundy identified as his "Aunt Margaret'' getting thrown to the ground by a federal officer after she stood briefly in front of a government vehicle, and then Ammon Bundy getting shot with a stun gun three times after he parked his four-wheeler in front of a government dump truck. Bundy said his goal was to find out what the dump truck was hauling away, as he and others suspected it was his father's dead cattle.

"I truly believed they didn't have a right to be there, and my family had a right to be there,'' Bundy testified.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Ethan Knight earlier had objected to the videos being presented to jurors, arguing they only revealed a limited slice of what went on at Bunkerville

"Bunkerville is the evidence equivalent of a Pandora's box in this case,'' Knight argued. "Once we go down this road...we are really embracing more than a mini trial...but events that are not before this court.''

U.S. District Court Judge Anna J. Brown said the prosecution's concerns are legitimate, "but that's a reality in a case like this.''

The judge ruled the videos from Bunkerville could be played solely for showing the impact on Ammon Bundy's state of mind as he came to Oregon. They could be played for jurors, but won't be provided to the jury as evidence during their deliberations in the case, the judge said.

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Shari Dovale, Monday, Oct. 3, Redoubt News "Skittish Sheriff Turns Burns Into A Warzone.

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Skittish Sheriff Turns Burns Into A Warzone


THE SHERIFF OVER REACTED FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL PROTECTION.

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http://i0.wp.com/oregon.redoubtnews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2016/10/burns01a.jpg?zoom=2&resize=641%2C360Courthouse and Sheriff Office barricaded in Burns, Oregon, January 2016

Skittish Sheriff Turns Burns Into A Warzone

by Shari Dovale

The Malheur Protest Trial resumed this morning with a good day for the defense. They got a big win right off the bat when the gun charges were dismissed against Shawna Cox! The jury will not learn of this, however, until the final instructions before they deliberate.

Judge Anna Brown (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/19/prosecution-shenanigans-malheur-trial/) was not going to make the rest of the day easy, however, and shut down much of the defense witness testimonies calling them irrelevant or cumulative. It’s interesting that she let multiple FBI agents testify about the same issues yet when defense witnesses have testimony that overlaps each other, she shuts it all down.

BLM Agent Jeff Rose took the stand and testified that the BLM had a civil case against the Hammond Family. Testimony revealed that the Hammond’s had been fined $400,000 and the BLM also obtained a “Right of First Refusal” on their ranch, if they had to sell it to pay the fines. The Hammond patriarch’s are currently serving their second round of prison time for the same charge of arson/terrorism for protecting their ranch.

Rose reluctantly discussed how the BLM chose to close their office several days before the rally held in Burns on January 2, 2016. This was confirmed in an email the defense obtained. Again, it is confirmed that the government employees were sent home long before the Bundy’s held their rally or went to the Malheur Refuge (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/26/explaining-malheur-protest-trial/). The employees were also allowed to work from home, or other offices, and never lost work or pay.

Harney County Sheriff David Ward took the stand again to discuss the meetings he held with Ammon and others in November. Ward was forced to admit that he had been feeding info to the FBI about anyone that showed support for the Bundy’s.
Ward was shown an email that he claimed was an ultimatum to him. The section that threatened

Ward the most in that email reads:

We the people desire to live in peace and tranquility, but will defend out freedoms if necessary in order to do so. We call upon you, Sheriff Ward, and all civil servants, to honorably and effectively uphold the oaths and duties of your sworn offices. – To turn your weapons in the defense of the Hammonds rights and truly be a representative of the people, by the people and for the people.

Testimony showed that Sheriff Ward put the county on ‘High Alert’ with State and Federal officers, as well as deputies from 5 neighboring counties coming to his personal protection. Military equipment, heavily armored vehicles, locking down and barricading the courthouse and orders to use force upon the people if they saw fit, all because the Sheriff perceived a threat in an email, but could not show this threat.

The Sheriff over reacted for his own personal protection, yet he refused to protect the Hammond family when he was asked. He has effectively placed himself above the Hammonds and all the people of Harney County.


“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
― George Orwell, Animal Farm



Audio clips of a meeting held between Sheriff Ward and Ammon, as well as several others, were played and discussed. In these clips, no threats were made but Ammon explained well the argument that the BLM were never punished for starting accidental fires, unlike the Hammonds (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/02/03/hammond-case-facts-ammon-bundy/) who were labeled as terrorists. Ward suggested that people could petition Congress if they wanted to fight this, but that is all he offered.

Other testimony today included residents of Burns and their Committee of Safety members. Kim Rollins testified that Sheriff Ward misled the residents when he held a townhall meeting to gather a straw poll vote from the residents against the Bundys. Rollins explained that Ward did not get the support from the residents that he testified to, and that residents wanted to hear what Ammon had to say.

Additionally, Rollins testified about a visit he made to the Malheur Refuge last summer. He had brought small children with him and the adults could not let the children walk through the museum due to the amount of rodent feces throughout. “Deplorable conditions” was how he described it.

Pat Horlacher was another resident from Burns. He testified that when the Refuge was first occupied he was afraid for his family. He tried to talk to the Sheriff but was not allowed to see him, as the courthouse was barricaded. He became concerned that he should move his family out of town. He described Burns like it had been invaded, or a scene out of the movie “Red Dawn’ due to the escalation of law enforcement.

Horlacher testified that the LEOs made him afraid, but he decided to go personally to the refuge and see what was happening. “It is happening in your own backyard,” he said. “You need to make your own decision.”

He traveled to the refuge and saw things were peaceful and calm. “It was as laid back an environment as you could ask for.” He testified that he never heard gunshots and saw very few weapons. Horlacher ended up making multiple visits to the refuge that month.

It is very obvious from the testimony that people were comfortable visiting the refuge and talking to the protesters. However, the town was turned into a war zone at the request of a skittish sheriff and a county judge with a large ego.

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[monty]

John Lamb's video Malheur Protest trial Morning of Oct. 4


http://youtu.be/GqRlTS8tFxY

https://youtu.be/GqRlTS8tFxY

[monty]

John Lamb Malheur Protest trial Oct. 4 afternoon session


http://youtu.be/jga3A_UzTBk

https://youtu.be/jga3A_UzTBk

[monty]

Todd Macfarlane gives a brief report on Day 14 of the Malheur Protest trial

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/29/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-continues-part-2-the-defense-case/

DAY 14 — Tuesday, October 4, 2016
One of the days many people have been waiting for in this trial happened this afternoon when Ammon Bundy took the witness stand and testified for several hours, after several other witnesses in the morning, including David Fry’s father, William Fry, a retired Marine gunnery segeant, Chris Briels, the Harney County Fire Chief, and Burns resident, Lindsay Tyler, who testified that she had been to the Refuge several times during the occupation, and had seen Harney County Commissioner, Dan Nichols, there. She also testified that she had taken cakes and cupcakes to the refuge.

Briels testified that he is part of the Harney County Committe of Safety. He explained that his comittee had had discussions with Ammon Bundy, including about plans and conditions for exiting the Refuge. He said those efforts were thwarted by Harney County Judge Steven Grasty’s refusal to allow them to meet at any public venue in Harney County.

http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/AB-Jail-1-278x300.jpg

When Ammon Bundy took the stand, he told about his life growing up on the Bundy Ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada. He testified about the grazing rights that his family and other ranchers rely upon to utilize federal grazing allotments, which in his view constitute a valid private property interest in forage resources of those allotments. He testified about how the federal government has slowly tried to take away those rights to the point that his father terminated any contractual or “permit” releationship with the federal government, which likewise terminated any financial obligation to the BLM.

Bundy testified that he is a husband and father of six children, and that he currently resides at the Multnomah County Jail, where he has been in custody for 8.5 months on the theory that he poses a danger to the community.

After much argument and debail, Bundy was allowed to testify about his experiences in Bunkerville in 2014, as the federal government sought to impound his family’s cattle. Prosecutors objected to any testimony, arguing that it would turn into a Pandora’s box in the case. But ultimately, Judge Brown said she would allow it because it is part of the nature of the unique beast in this case.

Bundy explained how his father, Cliven Bundy, had first told him about Dwight & Steven Hammond, and their plight in dealing with the federal government. Ammon testied that his dad suggested that like their own ranch, Hammonds had been intentionally targeted by the federal government, and had ultimately been tried, and convicted for burning a small amount of BLM land in two separate incidents, and after serving the intial sentences that were imposed by the trial court, they were both tater resentenced to a serve a full five years each.
Bundy testified that at first he resisted his father’s encouragement to study the situation and possibly get involved. Later on, however, he testified he had a change of heart and traveled to Harney County, Oregon to meet the Hammonds and look into their situation. He testified that at first he resisted the thought, but ultimately felt impressed to try to figure out what he might do to help them out. He said all his efforts were focused on trying to figure what had happened and what could be done about it.

Ammon is expected to continue to testify Wednesday morning.

For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/), or Gary Hunt at Outpost for Freedom (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/) and Redoubt News (http://redoubtnews.com/).

At RANGEFIRE! we believe there needs to be alternative voices to mainstream media commentary and coverage of these issues.

RANGE (http://rangemagazine.com/) / RANGEFIRE! — Addressing Issues Facing the West / Spreading America’s Cowboy Spirit Beyond the Outback

[monty]

Comments from Dr. McIntosh re jurisdiction/ownership of Malheur headquarters, who was subpoenaed by Shawna Cox

Edit: the judge and prosecutors have all stepped out of their federal office by usurping jurisdiction where it doesn't exist. They could/should be subject to civil lawsuits, and criminal prosecution as well, but as Dr. Trowbridge points out they will immediately remove the case to the federal court system where their buddies protect them.

Angus McIntosh (https://www.facebook.com/angusmcintosh2?fref=nf)

20 hrs (https://www.facebook.com/angusmcintosh2/posts/1307930732550967) ·
I was subpoenaed to testify in the Malheur Protest trial by one of the defendants, Shawna Cox.

Having thoroughly reviewed and analyzed the the legal history and title documents produced by both the government and the defendants, Dr. Michael Coffman and myself prepared an analysis document for the Court which I also submitted as a sworn Declaration. That declaration was submitted by defendant Ammon Bundy's attorney Marcus Mumford along with a motion to dismiss the charges based on a lack of federal jurisdiction.

In a voir dire hearing prior to trial I stated that there were serious questions of federal ownership of the land and improvements at the location where the protest occurred. In the same hearing I was shocked to find out that at least some of the legal counsel in the room were unaware of Title 18 USC 1855 (which would have exonerated the Hammonds in the first place).

As to the federal employees actions toward the local ranch owners since approximately 1984 it turns out the Bundy's suspicion of fraud and illegal activities was absolutely correct. All the land acquired in the area around the lake (including the headquarters) was purchased under a Depression/Dustbowl era statute specifically intended to purchase abandoned or unproductive farms and then "resettle" that land in large enough "units" capable of supporting a family.

Congress actually ordered and required the land where the headquarters is situated (including the buildings) to be liquidated and disposed of in 1946 (60 Stat 1065). It was disposed of to local ranchers who used it for grazing and forage crops for nearly 40 years until the local BLM and USFWS employees began a systematic elimination of the ranchers through fraud and abuse.

It is shocking to the conscience that a Federal Judge is actually suppressing evidence of these crimes and in effect aiding and abetting after the fact.

I've been an expert witness in 4 different Fed District courts, the US Court of Fed Claims, and the IBLA and I've never seen such an incredible effort to suppress exculpatory evidence by a judge. Truly mind boggling.




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[Ares]

Comments from Dr. McIntosh re jurisdiction/ownership of Malheur headquarters, who was subpoenaed by Shawna Cox

Edit: the judge and prosecutors have all stepped out of their federal office by usurping jurisdiction where it doesn't exist. They could/should be subject to civil lawsuits, and criminal prosecution as well, but as Dr. Trowbridge points out they will immediately remove the case to the federal court system where their buddies protect them.

Angus McIntosh (https://www.facebook.com/angusmcintosh2?fref=nf)

20 hrs (https://www.facebook.com/angusmcintosh2/posts/1307930732550967) ·
I was subpoenaed to testify in the Malheur Protest trial by one of the defendants, Shawna Cox.

Having thoroughly reviewed and analyzed the the legal history and title documents produced by both the government and the defendants, Dr. Michael Coffman and myself prepared an analysis document for the Court which I also submitted as a sworn Declaration. That declaration was submitted by defendant Ammon Bundy's attorney Marcus Mumford along with a motion to dismiss the charges based on a lack of federal jurisdiction.

In a voir dire hearing prior to trial I stated that there were serious questions of federal ownership of the land and improvements at the location where the protest occurred. In the same hearing I was shocked to find out that at least some of the legal counsel in the room were unaware of Title 18 USC 1855 (which would have exonerated the Hammonds in the first place).

As to the federal employees actions toward the local ranch owners since approximately 1984 it turns out the Bundy's suspicion of fraud and illegal activities was absolutely correct. All the land acquired in the area around the lake (including the headquarters) was purchased under a Depression/Dustbowl era statute specifically intended to purchase abandoned or unproductive farms and then "resettle" that land in large enough "units" capable of supporting a family.

Congress actually ordered and required the land where the headquarters is situated (including the buildings) to be liquidated and disposed of in 1946 (60 Stat 1065). It was disposed of to local ranchers who used it for grazing and forage crops for nearly 40 years until the local BLM and USFWS employees began a systematic elimination of the ranchers through fraud and abuse.

It is shocking to the conscience that a Federal Judge is actually suppressing evidence of these crimes and in effect aiding and abetting after the fact.

I've been an expert witness in 4 different Fed District courts, the US Court of Fed Claims, and the IBLA and I've never seen such an incredible effort to suppress exculpatory evidence by a judge. Truly mind boggling.




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Doesn't surprise me at all actually. There is no law in this country.

[monty]

Shari Dovale Redoubt News "Judge Anna Brown Drops Her Mask"

http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/04/judge-anna-brown-drops-mask/

The judge sustained Chris Briels' testimony when no one objected.

Judge Anna Brown Drops Her Mask

http://i2.wp.com/redoubtnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/brown3-1.jpg?zoom=2&resize=666%2C375

Judge Anna Brown Drops Her Mask

By Shari Dovale (http://redoubtnews.com/?s=Shari+Dovale)

The Malheur Protest Trial has been going well for the defense, as the witnesses all confirm the transparent and safe atmosphere the protesters encouraged. This must be angering the Judge because she took a decided twist in her handling of the trial today.

Jeff Banta testified last week about how he arrived at the Refuge on January 25th, just one day before LaVoy Finicum was murdered at an illegal Deadman’s roadblock orchestrated by the FBI and Oregon State Police (OSP). His testimony included discussion of a video he had seen online that prompted him to get involved.
The video was made by John Witzel of French Glen, Oregon. The video shows the ‘Miller Homestead Fire’ of 2012 in which the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) started multiple blazes that caused damage to property and livestock.
Here is the video:


http://youtu.be/BcpzhOZq1JQ


After allowing the prosecution leeway in their video selection, including watching several people target practice, the video that was so compelling to Jeff Banta was not to be allowed. Judge Brown decided that this video would be too confusing for the jury. She allowed Witzel to come in and describe a few parts of his video, but that was all.


The defense asked to play a video of Senator Harry Reid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aYrXCVmgPc)calling the Bunkerville Patriots “Domestic Terrorists”. Judge Brown told the defense that Ammon Bundy can say what he wants, but we don’t need videos. So, this one was out as well.


Another issue at hand today had Judge Brown refusing to deal with the issue of FBI Agent Ronnie Walker sitting in the courtroom from day 1 even though he was on the prosecution witness list. She blamed that problem on the attorneys and refused to admit that the buck stops with her. She is completely responsible for this breach, and I certainly hope at least one defense attorney files for a mistrial based on this blatant favoritism.


Judge Brown is well known to be favoring the prosecution, but has completely ripped off her mask and stopped pretending to be fair in this trial. She has threatened the defense if they bring up the truth of the FBI lying and covering up their part in the murder of LaVoy Finicum. She has not allowed crucial evidence, but has allowed the prosecution it’s grandstanding.



Marcus Mumford put forth a very good argument on this subject today when Brown decided to change some jury instructions out of the blue. She said that the defense was misusing the word ‘terrorist’ when it came to discussion of the Hammonds being prosecuted under the Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-104publ132/pdf/PLAW-104publ132.pdf). “The defendants are using the term improperly,” she stated.


When Mumford challenged her need to change the jury instructions, he states that the “court is taking sides against the defense.” She completely ignored his argument and did not even bother to address it.


http://i0.wp.com/redoubtnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/brown1.jpg?resize=266%2C300
Protestors in front of courthouse.

This fit with the rest of the day and how many objections the prosecution could jump up and make. She sustained nearly all of them. However, she was so wrapped up in helping the prosecution that at one point she even sustained an objection that was not made.


During the questioning of Chris Briels, Brown burst out and said “Objection Sustained!” When she realized that no one had made an objection, she then said, “Oh, there was no objection, but I am going to sustain it anyway. I am not going to let the witness speculate.”


This is what the defendants are dealing with. The public audience is on to her as well, as she has noticed. She has threatened the public in the gallery with expulsion for making any noise whatsoever, even turning a page in a notebook. If she hears a pen click or a page turn she will have everyone removed.


The stress of this trial could be proving to be too much for Judge Brown. I think she needs a vacation. I know I do.

[monty]

Ammon Bundy testifies against government tyranny


http://youtu.be/2bQ-2fbyZjY

https://youtu.be/2bQ-2fbyZjY

[monty]

Kelli Stewart was lectured by US Marshal for posting in facebook. She described her experience in a facebook video:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1561375057522605/permalink/1695198847473558/

[monty]

BLM agents versus ranchers. Jeff Banta was motivated by John Witzel's video of BLM burning out ranchers


http://youtu.be/JMrKKq5VkbQ

https://youtu.be/JMrKKq5VkbQ

[monty]

http://lessgovisthebestgov.com/blog/the-face-of-federal-over-reach-in-america.htmlFor concise, informative and thought provoking analysis of the news.
The Independent Voice for Conservative Values!
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The Face of Federal Over-reach in America

Posted by Scott Rohteron Wednesday, October 5, 2016http://lessgovisthebestgov.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Ammon-and-Ryan-Bundy-1-1024x737.jpg

The Face of Federal Over-reach in America

By Scott Michael Rohter, October 2016

Dateline: Portland, Oregon – October 4, 2016

More than anyone else in America Ammon and Ryan Bundy are leading the fight to change the way that Congress administers public land. These truly dedicated men are sacrificing their lives to keep this subject in front of the Nation’s attention for as long as they have. Federal land use reform is now a part of the Republican Party platform. Their goal is to get Congress to turn over as much federally administered land to State and local control as possible where it can be better managed. It would go a long way to help provide a stable source of funding for many of the counties in Western States. The two brothers have already spent over eight months behind bars for such a worthy cause as this, but if an Oregon jury finds them guilty of conspiracy they could spend a lot more than just eight months in jail.

That is the awesome responsibility of the jury which has been selected to decide their fate. It would be a gross miscarriage of justice if they have to spend one more day in jail. It would be just as wrong as sentencing Dwight and Stephen Hammond to spend five years in jail as arsonists under the Anti Terrorist and Effective Death Penalty Act for the accidental escape of a small grass fire they started on their own property to control weeds which spread to adjacent land they leased from the Bureau of Land Management.

The law can be an ass at times. In fact the law can be an ass a lot of times, but the jury has the power to acquit these good men and send them home to their families.
Ammon Bundy took the witness stand today to testify in his own defense. It was not easy to watch him as he broke down in tears several different times as he retold the story of how he and his family have been persecuted over the years and how they are now being unfairly prosecuted now by the strong arm of the Federal government. What follows is a synopsis of his testimony from October 4th. It is not verbatim.. as his remarks were answers to questions posed by his attorney. At times they were interrupted by the prosecutors and at other times by the judge, but you have my word that I have not altered anything of substance in any of his remarks. I know Ammon Bundy and I have never met a man in my entire life that I admire more… I wouldn’t dream of changing the substance of any of his remarks. The best thing I could do is to repeat them as accurately as I can so here goes…

Synopsis of Ammon Bundy testimony from October 4th

“Every man in my family is behind bars” for defending our rights… Law enforcement gang beat my little brother. They threw my aunt Margaret to the ground… I was tazed three times… They impounded and killed our cattle… “ (He did not mention the fact that prison guards also put his older brother in solitary confinement at the Multnomah County Detention Center for over a month for just refusing to let the government perform an operation on him that he did not want).

“We have rights to the land we graze our cattle on… I grew up on this land in the same house my father grew up in… My grandfather built that house with his own hands.. We have been on that land for five generations… 138 years. The Bundys have worked that land and run our cattle there. We have water rights. We have grazing rights. Those rights belong to us.” Without those rights we cannot succeed as ranchers. We can’t even survive.

When I first heard about the problems that the Hammonds were having with the BLM in Oregon my first instinct was just to ignore it.. I did not want to help them. My father told me that the same thing was happening to them that had happened to us. I still did not want to help them, but one night I couldn’t sleep. I felt it in my spirit that I couldn’t ignore them anymore so I began to read about them. The more I learned about the Hammonds problems the more I became convinced that I couldn’t just keep ignoring what was happening in Oregon so I went to visit them. “My father taught us how to care for each other and how to care for others who need our help. My dad was a good dad.”

I drove to the Hammond Ranch and met Stephen. Later I met with Susie and Dwight. They are good people… the salt of the earth, but they seemed to me like they were about ready to give up. They were convinced that they could not beat the federal government. Several weeks later they called me and told me that their attorney had received warnings purporting to be from the Federal government that if they didn’t break off their relationship with me… extreme pain would come to their family. They told me they decided to cut off all communications with me. That’s when I realized this had gone far enough. I decided that something had to be done. What had happened to our family in Nevada and what was now happening to the Hammond family in Oregon had to stop…

To be continued

Categories: National (http://lessgovisthebestgov.com/blog/cat/national), Oregon (http://lessgovisthebestgov.com/blog/cat/oregon) Tags: Ammon Bundy (http://lessgovisthebestgov.com/blog/tag/ammon-bundy), Federal land management policies (http://lessgovisthebestgov.com/blog/tag/federal-land-management-policies), Ryan Bundy (http://lessgovisthebestgov.com/blog/tag/ryan-bundy)

[midnight rambler]

The sparsely located ranchers are easy pickin's. Next up will be the mouthy belligerents elsewhere.

[monty]

It looks like Todd Macfarlane added more to his RangeFire Day 14 update since I posted it this morning.

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/29/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-continues-part-2-the-defense-case/#comment-2325

DAY 14 — Tuesday, October 4, 2016

One of the days many people have been waiting for in this trial arrived this afternoon when Ammon Bundy took the witness stand and testified for several hours. Once word got out that Bundy would actually be testifying this afternoon, a line formed outside the courthouse of people who wanted to observe the proceedings. Several other witnesses were called in the morning, including David Fry’s father, William Fry, a retired Marine gunnery segeant, Chris Briels, the Harney County Fire Chief, and Burns resident, Lindsay Tyler, who testified that she had been to the Refuge several times during the occupation, and had seen Harney County Commissioner, Dan Nichols, there. She also testified that she had taken cakes and cupcakes to the refuge. When attorney Matt Schindler asked her if she knew that by providing food she was supposedly joining and supporting a criminal enterprise, prosecutors objected and Judge Brown admonished the jury to disregard the question.

Briels testified that he is part of the Harney County Committe of Safety. He explained that his comittee had had discussions with Ammon Bundy, including about plans and conditions for exiting the Refuge. He said those efforts were thwarted by Harney County Judge Steven Grasty’s refusal to allow them to meet at any public venue in Harney County.

According to Shari Dovale, reporting for Redoubt News, during the examination of Chris Briels Judge Brown really let down her guard and showed her true colors (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/04/judge-anna-brown-drops-mask/). According to Dovale:
Judge Brown is well known to be favoring the prosecution, but has completely ripped off her mask and stopped pretending to be fair in this trial. . . .When Attorney Mumford challenged her need to [unilaterally] change the jury instructions, he asserted that the “court is taking sides against the defense.” She completely ignored his argument and did not even bother to address it. But this is fit with the rest of the day and how many objections the prosecution would jump up and make. She sustained nearly all of them. However, she was so wrapped up in helping the prosecution that at one point she even sustained an objection that was not made.

During the questioning of Chris Briels, Brown burst out and said “Objection Sustained!” When she realized that no one had made an objection, she then said, “Oh, there was no objection, but I am going to sustain it anyway. I am not going to let the witness speculate.” [– apparently whether the prosecution made an objection or not].

This is what the defendants are dealing with. The public audience is on to her as well, as she has noticed. She has threatened the public in the gallery with expulsion for making any noise whatsoever, even turning a page in a notebook. If she hears a pen click or a page turn she will have everyone removed.

The stress of this trial could be proving to be too much for Judge Brown. I think she needs a vacation. I know I do. — Shari Dovale, ReDoubt News


http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/AB-Jail-1-278x300.jpg

When Ammon Bundy took the stand, he told about his life growing up on the Bundy Ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada. He testified about the grazing rights that his family and other ranchers rely upon to utilize federal grazing allotments, which in his view constitute a valid private property interest in forage resources of those allotments. He testified about how the federal government has slowly tried to take away those rights to the point that his father terminated any contractual or “permit” releationship with the federal government, which likewise terminated any financial obligation to the BLM.

Bundy testified that he is a husband and father of six children, and that he currently resides at the Multnomah County Jail, where he has been in custody, held in maximum security for for 8.5 months on the theory that he poses a danger to the community.

After much argument and debaEt, Bundy was allowed to testify about his experiences in Bunkerville in 2014, as the federal government sought to impound his family’s cattle. Prosecutors objected to any testimony, arguing that it would turn into a Pandora’s box in the case. But ultimately, Judge Brown said she would allow it because it is part of the nature of the unique beast in this case, and is relevant with respect to Ammon Bundy’s experiences and state of mind that caused him to ultimately want to get involved in trying to help the Hammonds in Oregon. He testified about what had happened in Bunkerville, including being tased three times for simply attempting to look in a dump truck, and about his Aunt Margaret being roughed-up by security forces. Several short video clips were also shown depicting these events.

Bundy became emotional at several points in his testimony. He explained how in the Fall of 2015, his father, Cliven Bundy, had first told him about Dwight & Steven Hammond, and their plight in dealing with the federal government. Ammon testied that his dad suggested that like their own ranch, Hammonds had been intentionally targeted by the federal government, and had ultimately been tried, and convicted for burning a small amount of BLM land in two separate incidents, and after serving the intial sentences that were imposed by the trial court, they were both tater resentenced to a serve a full five years each.

Bundy testified that at first he resisted his father’s encouragement to study the situation and possibly get involved. Later on, however, he testified he had a change of heart and traveled to Harney County, Oregon to meet the Hammonds and look into their situation situation. He testified that at first he resisted the thought, but ultimately felt impressed to try to figure out what he might do to help them out. He said all his efforts were focused on trying to figure what had happened and what could be done about it. He was trying to do everything he could to help the Hammonds.

Ammon is expected to continue to testify Wednesday morning.

For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/), or Gary Hunt at Outpost for Freedom (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/) and Redoubt News (http://redoubtnews.com/).

At RANGEFIRE! we believe there needs to be alternative voices to mainstream media commentary and coverage of these issues.

RANGE (http://rangemagazine.com/) / RANGEFIRE! — Addressing Issues Facing the West / Spreading America’s Cowboy Spirit Beyond the Outback

[monty]

The woman known as "Momma Bear" at the refuge last winter has been called out as an informant receivng $80/day from the feds. Interestingly, she is supposed to testify for the defence tomorrow. The rumors on the internet are saying Ammon Bundy was an the witness stand most of today.

Terri Linnell aka "Momma Bear"

http://youtu.be/RrzamFEktI0

https://youtu.be/RrzamFEktI0

[monty]

John Lamb in Portland, Oregon video on this mornings court session Oct. 5


http://youtu.be/s44XaMb3Dwo

https://youtu.be/s44XaMb3Dwo

[monty]

Deborah Jordan posted on facebook re informant at the refuge

https://www.facebook.com/Debrjordan/posts/1016505018475416

Deb Jordan

39 mins (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1016504741808777&set=a.391763730949551.1073741825.100003477819331&type=3) ·
Terri Linnell admits she was paid 3,000 in cash by FBI to inform during Malheur occupation and that she has now become a double agent in an attempt to cover her ass. According to activist attending Operation American Spring, Linnell was also responsible for a camp raid that resulted in one man jailed and other's being held at gun point for hours. Linnell was also present at Bundy Ranch. Reports are she is remorseful and "brokenhearted". Linnell attended LaVoy Finicums funeral where she gave an interview and said this:
Terri Linnell was among the protesters in Oregon and she also attended Friday’s services. She said she believes the authorities were not justified in their actions.

"What they did to him was a hit, there was no other way to put it,” she said. “What they did to him was wrong.”
I hope she never forgets her part in assisting in that hit ...
I know that there are going to be those who hate on this post but let me remind you that my best friend spent 8 months in jail because of information given to the FBI by this woman -- While she is set to testify for the defense NOTHING she says will cause me to forgiver her for that! These men and women have been accused and held unjustly because of false information she gave the FBI -- Think about that when you try to excuse her from the responsibility of that.

Double agent my ass - what a joke.

NOT THE FIRST TIME:
She also caused a raid outside of Washington DC when she falsely reported to authorities that Patriots planned to kill the President -- We will see what she had to say about Bundy Ranch --
Why do these people hang around after they do shit like this?

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[monty]

Deborah Jordan says there were 5 informants at the refuge,

Deb Jordan

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UPDATE: TERRI LINNELL TOLD MY CONTACT -- There was at least 5 paid informants at Malheur -- 3 women and 2 men. 2 have been outed -- Linnell and McConnell. The FBI gave her none of the other informants names, she just knew they were there. She said that she has been informing for the FBI for years and that she was getting $100.00 a meeting to inform on Oathkeepers, and that she attended A LOT of meetings.

Linnnell now says she is testifying for the defense because the FBI broke their contract with her when they killed LaVoy Finicum. Linnell is looking for forgiveness. She spoke to the FBI by phone everyday from January 12th to right before the murder of Mr. Finicum. The FBI told her to leave. She said that the sign in book from the Refuge was given to the FBI on January 19th --

PERKS FOR INFORMING: Linnell says they pay in cash and change your name so it can't be traced --

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Another Twister Radio update, Oct. 5 Jim Lambley Free Speach Zone

http://ice9.securenetsystems.net/media/KSDZ/ondemand/Another-update-on-Oregon-Trial.m4a

[monty]

John Lamb with Oct. 5 afternoon update


http://youtu.be/jmhyH4zCzdo

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Todd Macfaralne's recap of Day 15 of the Malheur Protest trial

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/29/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-continues-part-2-the-defense-case/


DAY 15 — Wednesday 5, 2016
Where to even begin with today’s recap. It was a pretty ugly day in the Oregon Standoff Trial — or great entertainment — depending on your perspective, with multiple yelling matches between Attorney Marcus

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Mumford and Judge Anna Brown. At one point Judge Brown actually stood up and roared at Mumford to sit down, shut up, and knock-off the “theatrics,” at which point they had an argument about whether or not it was theatrics. If it was theatrics, Mumford might not win any acting awards, but Judge Brown’s performance might not score well in the “judicial decorum” category either. For lighter, though obviously slanted “take” on the proceedings, we highly recommend Bundy Court Sketches on Facebo (https://www.facebook.com/bundycourtsketch/)ok.

Once once again, with all this courtroom pageantry in mind, I’m going to make another pitch for greater judicial transparency, including live-streaming court proceedings. Everyone with any kind of interest in the Oregon Standoff Trial would benefit from being able to watch the proceedings today. We all deserve to know about about how the judicial system really “works.” It was true judicial theater.

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Mumford spent much of the day frustrated at Judge Brown’s inconsistent rulings on the evidence he wished to present. She had said that Ammon Bundy can testify about his intentions and state of mind in occupying MNWR, and the things that influenced his intentions and state of mind. But today when Ammon Bundy made references to scriptures, and attempted to read them so that the jurors would know exactly what had influenced his thinking, Judge Brown ruled that he was not allowed to read scripture in the court room. This was a very peculiar ruling, as if having a witness cite scripture was the functional equivalent of having the Ten Commandments on display at the courthouse.

She had allowed him to show videos and photographs depicting the events that influenced his thinking, and to testify about hearsay statements from others, including local ranchers, but for some reason scripture was out-of-bounds and off-limts. Later, she made similar rulings with respect to additional videos shot at the Refuge with Ammon talking to local ranchers about their concerns, and about conversations he had had with the Hammonds where they expressed concern to him about their own safety, as well as his, based purely on the fact that they were communicating with him. The court’s inconsistent evidentiary ruliings resulted in multiple heated exchanges with Attorney Mumford, and at one point he threatened to file another motion for mistrial, after which Judge Brown relented, reconsidering some of the evidence he had requested to present, and ultimately did allow part of it to come in. This would indicate that Judge Brown herself knows that she is on thin ice with some

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of her rulings. A majority of the most testy moments occurred outside the presence of the jury in evidentiary hearings about the admissibiliy of evidence, which consumed a fair amount of time, and Attorney Mumford stated that he and his team had been working around the clock to consolidate and pare down the evidence as much as possible.

When the jury was present and Ammon Bundy was on the stand, he testified that he felt directed by God to take possession of the Refuge, but one of his primary intentions was to stake a claim for adverse possession at the Refuge. He said that is why they took physical possession, and tried to meet the criteria of open, adverse, possession and use. That is why they had the signs changed, and sought to change the P.O. box and utlitity accounts. That’s why they sought to clean-up and fix-up the place. They had guns so that they would be taken seriously, and to defend their position and possession of the Refuge. He said at the time he believed what they were doing was legal, completely legal, and “I still believe today that what we did was the right thing,” at which point the prosecution objected, Judge Brown issued a revised instruction to the jury, and there was another argument about who was able to say what was legal and what wasn’t. Clearly, the prosecution only wants Judge Brown to be able to say what is lawful and what isn’t. On the other hand, Ammon Bundy is supposed to be able to testify as to his understanding and state of mind.

After the jury was excused for the court and attorneys to hash-out those issues outside their presence, Bundy resumed his testimony, and testified that during the occupation he was having discussions with Eastern Oregon Congressional Rep. Greg Waldon’s office, and those discussions were making a difference. He testified that because of the Refuge occupation, a lot of people were taking the Hammond situation a lot more seriously. He said he was trying to get local government officials, including Sheriff Ward, to assert their rights, and help restore their rights, as had happened to some extent with his family in Bunkerville, with the Clark County sheriff’s department intervened to help resolve the situation, and helped to secure release of Bundys’ impounded cattle.
Nevada State Assemblywoman, Michelle Fiore, who helped negotiate the final surrender at the Refuge, testified briefly, as did PPN (Pacific Patrior Network) leader Brandon Rapollo, who testified about his service

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in the Marine Corps, and what the PPN as doing at the Refugre on January 9th, when he and other PPN leaders delivered proposed Articles of Resolution to Ammond Bundy and his closest associates, and then they went to Burns to deliver the same proposed Articles of Resolution to the FBI. According to some media sources, the most notable thing about Fiore’s testimony was the fact that when she was leaving the stand, she waved to the jury, and lipped “thank you,” which was thoroughly mocked in many quarters.

(Macfarlane neglected to include that Michele Fiore also said "you mean when the murdered LaVaoy Finicum and was immediatly cut off by Judge Brown.)

It is anticipated that Ammon Bundy’s testimony will continue tomorrow (Thursday) for the third day, first on direct examination, and then on cross examination, which could, potentionally, take the entire day, and conclude the trial week.

For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/), or Gary Hunt at Outpost for Freedom (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/) and Redoubt News (http://redoubtnews.com/).

At RANGEFIRE! we believe there needs to be alternative voices to mainstream media commentary and coverage of these issues.

RANGE (http://rangemagazine.com/) / RANGEFIRE! — Addressing Issues Facing the West / Spreading America’s Cowboy Spirit Beyond the Outback

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Shari Dovale, Redoubt News, Michele Fiore's testimony in the Malheur Protest trial

http://oregon.redoubtnews.com/2016/10/06/michele-testifies-political-prisoners/

Michele Fiore Testifies for Political Prisoners

by Shari Dovale (http://redoubtnews.com/?s=Shari+Dovale)

Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore (http://redoubtnews.com/?s=Michele+Fiore) took the stand in the Malheur Protest Trial in Portland today.

As a member of the Coalition of Western States (http://cowstates.com/) (C.O.W.S. (http://redoubtnews.com/page/1/?s=cows)) she explained that their organization has a couple of divisions. Part of the Legislative division, she said they “help promote liberties against a tyrannical government.” They also work on restoring property rights for individuals.

Fiore testified about going to Bunkerville in 2014. When many of her constituents called her complaining of the overreaching Bureau of Land Management, she said she did not believe them. She went there, she testified, “Like a Mom whose children were complaining of a monster under the bed.” When she got there, she realized there really was a Big monster!

Fiore also told of visiting the Malheur Refuge in January 2016. First, she verified through Oregon officials that no laws were broken. This prompted the prosecution and Judge Anna Brown to admonish this lawmaker to stop making statements interpreting the law. Judge Brown explained that only she, as the judge, can explain the law to the jurors (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/04/judge-anna-brown-drops-mask/). Fiore was told not to express her ‘opinion’ on whether laws were broken.

Fiore did make a powerful statement during one portion of her testimony when she stated that LaVoy Finicum was murdered. This threw the prosecutors and the judge into fits, where Fiore was, again, admonished by the judge and told not to characterize Finicum’s death in that manner.

Fiore, a popular legislator, became even more so as she waved to the jury while walked out of the courtroom.

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Next on the stand was Brandon Rapolla, one of the founders of the Pacific Patriots Network (PPN). Rapolla was called in to dispute the prosecutions claims of Ammon’s group being heavily armed and dangerous, based mostly on the photograph shown here.

Rapolla said that this was a photo of the PPN arriving to deliver “Articles of Resolution” to Ammon. Threats had been made against the founders of the PPN, so as the tactical officer, he made the decision to have an armed security detail available.
No member of the ‘Citizens For Constitutional Freedom’ were present, or a part of the group pictured. This photograph was entered into evidence by the prosecution in the Malheur Protest Trial (http://redoubtnews.com/?s=Malheur+Protest+Trial).

Thursday should bring several more witnesses to the stand for the defense, as well as cross examination of Ammon Bundy (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/05/ammon-testifies-malheur-protest-trial/) by the prosecution.

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[monty]

Heated exchanges, with some lighter moments, during the federal conspiracy case Wednesday

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/heated_exchanges_with_some_lig.html

Ammon Bundy testified Tuesday, Oct. 4, 2016, inside the Mark O. Hatfield United States Courthouse during the trial for defendants of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown presides. Sketch by Abigail Marble.
Mike Zacchino | The Oregonian/OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mzacchin/photos.html)


http://image.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width40/img/avatars/4406.png (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/index.html)By Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html)
Email the author | Follow on Twitter (http://twitter.com/maxoregonian)
on October 05, 2016 at 8:02 PM, updated October 05, 2016 at 8:47 PM

Here's a look at some of the heated exchanges between U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown and Ammon
lawyer Marcus Mumford, as well as some of the lighter moments during Wednesday's trial.
**
The judge ruled before trial resumed early Wednesday that Ammon Bundy's lawyer couldn't present to jurors a video taken of two Malheur County ranchers talking about how a proposed national monument in their county was going to destroy their livelihoods.

The ranchers were interviewed by Bundy in an office at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
Mumford stood, silently shaking his hands in the air in frustration in front of the judge's bench.

"Stop with the theatrics,'' Brown told him.
"It's not theatrics,'' Mumford said.
"Yes it is,'' the judge held.

"Your honor let weeks of photos come in about this very office,'' argued Mumford, referring to the multiple photos that prosecutors had presented of fish biologist Linda Beck's office at the refuge during the occupation.

The judge ruled that the ranchers' story wasn't relevant to the federal conspiracy case.
Mumford acknowledged to the court that he was animated. He said it was because it had taken "significant effort'' to distill the hundreds of video clips to the proposed exhibits he wanted to offer at trial.
***
On Nov. 20, Ammon Bundy filmed a video, alerting his supporters of a conversation he had with Dwight Hammond Jr.

On the witness stand, Bundy was about to discuss that conversation when Assistant U.S. Attorney Ethan Knight objected, citing hearsay.

The judge started to sustain the objection, when Mumford interjected.
"May I please just make a ruling before you interrupt me,'' Brown told Mumford.

Brown said Bundy couldn't share the specific information of what Hammond told him but could describe his own state of mind as a result of his conversation with Hammond.

Bundy turned to the judge, "I'd rather not say state of mind if I'm unable to explain why.''
"Mr. Bundy, be quiet please,'' Brown told him.

Mumford added that his client had a point.

"Mr. Mumford, proceed please,'' the judge continued. "I made a ruling. We'll take it up outside the jury's presence. Move on.''

During a later break in the trial outside of the jury's presence, Bundy's lawyer held a mini-tantrum, claiming grounds for a mistrial and accusing the judge of preventing him from offering key information. Fuming, he paced and pointed at the judge, his face reddening.

"Please don't shout at me,'' Brown told him. "Mr. Mumford calm down...I can't hear your legal argument if you keep threatening me.''

"Your honor has just said he can say state of mind but not give them the information they need to access that,'' Mumford told her. "This is mistrial....It does not good if I can't say where the threat came from.''
"Please let me finish a sentence before you jump down my throat,'' Brown said. "I need you to be calm.''
The judge said she would reconsider his argument. Brown ultimately allowed Bundy to say that Hammond had told him he felt threatened, and that Hammond expressed concern for Bundy's safety as well during the phone call.

Mumford had wanted to share their belief that it was Hammond's lawyer who warned Dwight Hammond that if he continued to communicate with Ammon Bundy, he'd be picked up earlier to complete his sentence and sent to a less desired prison location. That information never was presented to the jury.

"Stop with the theatrics,'' the judge told attorney Marcus Mumford.

When the trial resumed, Bundy testified that during a phone call with Dwight Hammond Jr. that Hammond had expressed concerns about his own safety as a result of the efforts Bundy had made on his behalf, and that he also expressed concerns for Bundy's safety.
**
As Bundy stepped down from the witness stand for the lunch break, co-defendant Neil Wampler rose at his defense table and started to applaud.

"We all love you Ammon,'' Wampler said out loud. "Thank you for everything you've done.''
Ammon Bundy's wife, Lisa Bundy, seated in the public gallery, and other supporters joined in the applause.
**
Before trial resumed after lunch, co-defendant Jason Patrick clarified for the judge his position if he's called to testify in this trial. Patrick is set for trial in February.

Standing beside his standby counsel Andrew Kohlmetz, Patrick told the court, "I don't plan to invoke my Fifth Amendment right, if called.''

He said Kohlmetz, who told the court a day earlier that he would advise Patrick not to speak on the stand, "does not speak for me.''
**
In the afternoon Wednesday, Bundy was asked by his lawyer to identify who was at the Jan. 2 meeting at Ye Old Castle restaurant in Burns, where Bundy proposed his plan to occupy the refuge.

As Bundy listed his brother Ryan Bundy, Brian Cavalier, Jason Patrick, Jon Ritzheimer, Ryan Payne and others, he added "I hope I'm not making a list for the government's next indictment.''

His remark drew laughter in the courtroom.

"This is serious,'' Judge Brown told Bundy.
"I know it's serious,'' Bundy replied. "I do apologize, your honor.''
The judge told jurors to disregard their exchange.
**
Nevada lawmaker Michele Fiore testified briefly for the defense Wednesday afternoon.
She started, as all witnesses are asked to do, by spelling out her full name. When she got to her last name, she said, "F as in flower,'' before continuing on with each letter.

She repeatedly attempted to offer testimony that during a meeting that members of the Coalition of Western States, or COWS, had in Oregon with Harney County, state and FBI representatives on Jan. 9, that it was verified that the refuge occupiers hadn't broken any Oregon state laws.

Prosecutor Knight objected multiple times to Fiore's characterization.

The judge turned to the witness. "Excuse me, Ms. Fiore,'' the judge said. "Stop making statements about the law.''

If anyone questioned where Fiore stood in this case, she made it clear when she answered Mumford's question about how long she intended to be at the refuge on Feb. 11, the day the last four holdouts surrendered, ending the 41-day occupation.

"As long as it took the Bearcat to get our fabulous four out,'' she said.

As Fiore left the witness stand, she waved to jurors and mouthed, "Thank you.''
**
-- Maxine Bernstein
mbernstein@oregonian.com
503-221-8212 (tel:503-221-8212)
@maxoregonian (http://gold-silver.us/forum/safari-reader://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/"https://twitter.com/maxoregonian)

[monty]

Another Twister Radio update, Oct. 5 Jim Lambley Free Speach Zone

http://ice9.securenetsystems.net/media/KSDZ/ondemand/Another-update-on-Oregon-Trial.m4a

At one point of their conversation Briana Bundy tells Jim Lambley Nevada is not a full state, but still a territory. I believe she is confused. Nevada's enabling legislation forever gave up the rights to all public land within the borders of the state. Both the Nevada Constitution and Nevada Revised Statutes have been amended to override the enabling act.

I believe what Brianna Bundy mistakenly believes about still being a territory is actually that Nevada was not admitted on an egual footing to the other states.

[monty]

"He may be soft-spoken, but the words of Ammon Bundy cut like a double edged sword"



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Rock on Ammon!

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He may be soft-spoken, but the words of Ammon Bundy cut like a two edged sword

[monty]

Ammon Bundy describes his arrest, There were men in the trees and everywhere else

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/ammon_bundy_describes_arrest_m.html

http://image.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width40/img/avatars/4406.png (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/index.html)By Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html)
Email the author | Follow on Twitter (http://twitter.com/maxoregonian)
on October 06, 2016 at 12:43 PM, updated October 06, 2016 at 1:10 PM


Ammon Bundy describes arrest: 'Men in the trees and everywhere else'

Ammon Bundy testified that there were "men in the trees and everywhere else'' when multiple law enforcement vehicles surrounded the Jeep he was riding in to a community meeting in John Day on Jan. 26.
"I believed my life was in extreme danger if I moved in any way,'' Bundy said on his third day on the witness stand in his federal conspiracy trial. "I didn't even reach to pick up my hat in the seat next to me because I was afraid I'd get shot.''

Bundy described his arrest, moments after calling the refuge occupation a "win, win, win'' situation on the stand during another three hours of wide-ranging testimony. His attorney, Marcus Mumford, completed his direct examination. Another defense lawyer, Matt Schindler, began questioning Bundy before the lunch break.

Bundy is one of six defendants charged with conspiring to impede federal employees from working at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in January through intimidation, threats or force. Prosecutors say he led an armed takeover of the refuge, damaging the property and preventing U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and U.S. Bureau of Land Management officers from doing their jobs during the 41-day occupation.

Upon arrest, Bundy described how he was ordered to have his hands up, get on his knees then crawl back toward the officers. They had him lying handcuffed on his back on the ground before he was taken about nightfall into a van, where he first saw two people who had been riding in occupation spokesman Robert "LaVoy'' Finicum's truck ahead of them.

"Victoria Sharp and Shawna Cox were in the van. Ryan and LaVoy were not,'' he said. "They very emotionally told me LaVoy had been shot.''

Assistant U.S. Attorney Ethan Knight objected, and U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown sustained it. It was the first of many similar objections that followed Thursday.

The judge instructed Bundy's lawyer not to ask questions about Finicum's shooting.

Finicum's widow, Jeanette Finicum, is expected to be called as a witness Thursday afternoon. The judge made it clear to all lawyers and defendants that no one is to ask her about her husband's shooting or a wrongful death lawsuit she said she intends to bring against the government.

Bundy sought to paint a significantly different portrait of the occupation. He described his training sessions on land rights, and he showed jurors videos of their prayer sessions and videos and photos of his visits with ranchers from the community. He described how he and others freely traveled to and from the refuge during the stay there, grabbing a haircut and Chinese food in Burns on some visits and traveling to and from his home in Emmett, Idaho, three times.

He said he didn't expect anyone to be at the refuge when they arrived Jan. 2, a Saturday.
"It was the day after New Year's. We anticipated that no one would be there,'' he testified.

He said he knew the occupation would bring "a lot of commotion" but knew it was 35 miles out of town. He said he used GPS to get to the ranch on that day because he hadn't been there previously.

"We felt it was a win, win, win situation going into the refuge,'' he testified.
They would attract widespread media attention. They would work to return the land to the people of Harney County. If anything, they expected they might face eviction and would end up in a federal civil court to challenge the federal government's control of the land.

"Of course, we know what they did,'' Bundy continued. "They used force on us again, and now we're here.''
Knight objected, and the judge instructed jurors to disregard Bundy's response.

"I knew there was a risk of course, but I felt the entire time it was worth it,'' Bundy testified.

Defense lawyer Matthew Schindler ask Bundy about a maroon refuge pouch that contained cash, gas cards and an employee's ID card that had been stored in a locked file cabinet and was found in defendant Kenneth Medenbach's vehicle, according to earlier testimony from FBI agents.

Bundy said someone had brought the pouch to him and he put it in the loft in the refuge office where he kept his personal belongings for safekeeping.

"It wasn't ours. We didn't have a right to use it,'' Bundy testified.

How could Bundy justify his use of a refuge desk and office, where he was doing his work during the occupation, Schindler asked.

Bundy said he was just using an outlet in the office to connect and charge his laptop. He said he didn't know who the desk or office belonged to.

"I didn't even really think about it,'' he said. "We didn't think about that. We were there for a different purpose.''

During a video shown to jurors of Bundy describing the principle of adverse possession, Bundy also demeaned the federal court process.

"The plaintiff is the federal government. The judge is the federal government,'' he said on the video. "The jury is not somebody of your peers. They choose whoever they want.''

Bundy also said a post found on his Facebook page with a man dressed in camouflage with an assault rifle that read, "Forgive Me Father For I Will Sin'' was put up by him. He said five others had access to his Facebook account.

While Bundy said he believes in the right of people to bear arms, he said he personally "never made it a practice'' to carry a gun. He said his father, Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who is facing federal indictment in Nevada, never had pistols around growing up because he thought it would be easy for someone to shoot themselves.

"For some reason, I felt I never needed it,'' Bundy said.

Under questioning by Mumford, Bundy testified that he came to learn that the federal government had classified him as a terrorist. Since his involvement in the 2014 standoff with federal agents at his father's ranch near Bunkerville, Nevada, Bundy said he's flown about 40 times. Each time, he said, he was taken aside and strip searched.

"I understand I was characterized as something different,'' he said. "That frustrated me.''

-- Maxine Bernstein
mbernstein@oregonian.com
503-221-8212 (tel:503-221-8212)
@maxoregonian (http://gold-silver.us/forum/safari-reader://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/"https://twitter.com/maxoregonian)

[midnight rambler]

Hearing Scripture must drive those possessed by Satan* into fits of rage.

*oh, and fwiw, Satanists are merely another form of Christian since in order to believe in Satan one must believe in The Word along with a belief in Jesus

[monty]

Hearing Scripture must drive those possessed by Satan* into fits of rage.

*oh, and fwiw, Satanists are merely another form of Christian since in order to believe in Satan one must believe in The Word


No doubt about that.

[monty]

John Lamb with Oct. 6 video report of morning session of Malheur Protest trial


http://youtu.be/i_6Ko9y54mk

https://youtu.be/i_6Ko9y54mk

[Bigjon]

At one point of their conversation Briana Bundy tells Jim Lambley Nevada is not a full state, but still a territory. I believe she is confused. Nevada's enabling legislation forever gave up the rights to all public land within the borders of the state. Both the Nevada Constitution and Nevada Revised Statutes have been amended to override the enabling act.

I believe what Brianna Bundy mistakenly believes about still being a territory is actually that Nevada was not admitted on an egual footing to the other states.

There was a case of a similar kind in New York State where the legislature gave away something that was contrary to the spirit of the constitution. The result of this case which was challenged and went to the Supreme Court where the Court ruled in favor on the challengers. Saying in affect that no legislature has the power to make law that is contrary to the Constitution.

Kirk at defend rural America had it on his website.
http://americannationalmilitia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Jurisdiction.pdf

View the paragraph just above territories caption on left side of page.

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[monty]

After almost 3 days of testimony Ammon Bundy was briefly cross examined by the prosecution.

These leftist reporters have trouble telling the truth about LaVoy's murder. They can't resist painting him as a criminal. Even though the entire article was about another subject the bitch had to interject her poisonous venom.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/prosecutors_brief_cross-examin.html

Ammon Bundy: Guns allowed Oregon refuge occupiers to express First Amendment rights

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on October 06, 2016 at 6:14 PM, updated October 06, 2016 at 7:02 PM



After Ammon Bundy spent three days testifying about why he occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, a prosecutor Thursday afternoon fired rapid questions at him during a cross-examination that lasted just under 15 minutes.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Ethan Knight started out, "You are the leader'' of the occupation, right?
"No,'' Bundy said.

"Isn't it true you testified you're 'sort of the leader,''' Knight asked, noting that hours earlier Bundy had told jurors that he gave dozens and dozens of press conferences at the refuge and described in detail all of his followers.

"Is it your testimony today you were not the leader?'' Knight continued.
Bundy told Knight he wanted to clarify "what you're wanting me to say."
"I teach correct principles and let them govern themselves,'' Bundy said.

And so the cross-examination went, with the prosecutor highlighting key testimony that Bundy offered earlier in his federal conspiracy trial that seemed to bolster the government's case against him:
There was a "unified purpose'' to the occupation, guns played a role in helping carry out the refuge takeover, that Bundy knew federal employees worked at the site and Bundy and others used parts of the refuge as their own.

Knight's quick questions in a combative tone were striking in contrast to the soft-spoken questions that Bundy's lawyer Marcus Mumford asked during about 10 hours of direct examination.

Bundy is one of seven defendants charged with preventing employees from the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service and U.S. Bureau of Land Management from doing their work through intimidation, threats or force during the 41-day occupation of the eastern Oregon bird sanctuary last winter.

The prosecutor asked if it were true that Bundy testified earlier Thursday that "We were all there for a unified purpose.''

Bundy said he didn't remember.

Knight pointed out that Bundy had testified that he gave Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward no ultimatums or threats.

"But you told him unless he agreed with your demands, there would be extreme civil unrest?'' Knight asked.
"I don't believe I said that,'' Bundy responded.

Knight referred to Bundy's testimony that he used a GPS to find the Malheur refuge when he went there on Jan. 2, the start of the occupation.

"You had to use GPS to get there even though you planned to control it until 2036?'' Knight asked incredulously, referring to Bundy's contention that he was trying to stake claim to the property through adverse possession.

Bundy's lawyer Marcus Mumford objected to the form of the question.

"My question is you went to a location you've never been before for that purpose?'' Knight continued.
"You're assuming I'm acknowledging it's a federal property,'' Bundy replied. "We were there disputing it was a federal property.''

"So you're saying the property you went to was not, in your belief, a federal property?''
"No,'' Bundy said.

"Yet you were trying to adversely possess it ... isn't that correct?'' Knight questioned.
"Yes,'' Bundy replied.

Knight pounced on Bundy's direct testimony earlier in the day about a maroon pouch, which had been locked in a refuge filing cabinet but was found later in one of the defendant's cars. It contained cash, refuge gas cards, credit cards and a refuge employee ID card, according to earlier testimony.

Bundy said during direct testimony that someone had brought the pouch to him during the occupation and it contained cash. He said he placed it in the loft of refuge biologist Linda Beck's office, where he was staying, to keep it secured.

"It wasn't ours. We didn't have a right to use it,'' Bundy testified.

Knight reminded Bundy of his statements and asked, "Yet you felt differently about the rest of the refuge, isn't that right?''

Bundy said the pouch was "clearly separate from the refuge'' as it contained receipts from the nonprofit Friends of the Malheur Refuge, which supports the sanctuary.

"We could see receipts and we knew the money was not ours,'' Bundy testified.

"And that property was different than all the other property at the refuge?'' Knight pressed.
"It needed to be secured, yes,'' Bundy replied.

Bundy added that the gas and credit cards were placed in the pouch by people occupying the refuge.
Knight questioned Bundy whether he knew federal employees worked at the refuge.
"I assumed they did,'' Bundy answered.

Knight asked if he made changes to the property? Bundy asked what he meant by "changes.''
In response to further questions, Bundy said yes, the signs were changed and the kitchen was used, but he testified that he hadn't accessed any computers or built any new roads, as Knight suggested.

Government testimony earlier in the trial indicated that three refuge employees' computers were accessed using one refuge worker's computer code and that a new road was made to the bunkhouse.

Knight asked whether all the changes made at the refuge were steps to stake claim to the property through adverse possession?

"You would take those steps in any federal government facility and it would be yours?'' Knight questioned.
"No there's a process,'' Bundy said. "There has to be a legitimate dispute.''

Knight said guns were brought to "keep the federal government away," right?
"No,'' Bundy responded.

Yet Knight reminded him of his testimony that if the occupiers hadn't brought firearms to the refuge, they likely would have been hauled off in zip ties and handcuffs in a paddy wagon.

"So the presence of guns prolonged your presence?'' Knight asked.
"It protected us from being detained,'' Bundy said. "I would say they allowed us to express our First Amendment rights.''

Knight asked Bundy if it was his belief that federal government's power is limited by the U.S Constitution.
Bundy said the government's powers are restricted to those "enumerated'' in the 10th Amendment.
"If you'd like me to read the 10th Amendment,'' Bundy offered.
"Thank you, that's OK,'' Knight cut in.

"You're not a rancher?'' Knight asked.
"No. ... I grew up on a ranch,'' Bundy said.

Then Knight turned to Bundy's business, a fleet management company called Valet Fleet Service. Bundy acknowledged that he managed it during the occupation.

Knight asked if it were true that Bundy had received a $530,000 loan from the U.S. Small Business Administration to support his business. Bundy's lawyer objected to the question, but the judge overruled the objection.

Knight said he offered the information to show that Bundy, even during his occupation of the federal refuge, has relied on the federal government, with his business partly funded by the government loan.
Bundy testified that he received the loan from a bank in Glendale, Arizona, about seven years ago.
"I don't think it's against the Constitution,'' Bundy responded. "If you want to debate the Constitution, I'll debate it.''

Knight said he was done with his cross-examination.

During redirect questioning by his lawyer, Bundy said he obtained the loan when he was merging two businesses into one and hasn't defaulted on it. Even while in jail the last 8 ½ months, he said he's continued to pay off the loan.

"I feel it's my obligation to do so,'' Bundy said.

"You pay taxes?'' Mumford asked. Bundy said yes.

"You pay federal taxes?'' Mumford asked. "Absolutely,'' Bundy replied.

Earlier Thursday, co-defendant Ryan Bundy questioned his brother, addressing him awkwardly at first as "Mr. Bundy,'' then later slipping in the less formal, "Brother Ammon.''

Jeanette Finicum takes the stand

Also Thursday, Jeanette Finicum, the widow of occupation spokesman Robert "LaVoy'' Finicum, briefly testified.

She said her husband got a call on New Year's Day, asking him to support the Jan. 2 rally in Burns in support of Harney County ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr. and Steven Hammond, ordered to return to prison for arson on federal lands.

She said her husband drove all night to Burns with co-defendant Ryan Bundy. She thought he'd stay a day or two, and when he told her he was at the refuge and planned to be there, she urged him to return to Utah.
"The first part of the week I repeatedly asked my husband to come home,'' she said, breaking down in tears.
By the end of that first week, she said her husband was committed to staying because local ranchers had urged him to do so. She visited the refuge the weekend of Jan. 22, and had planned to meet up with her husband again in Idaho on the following weekend.

The judge didn't allow anyone to question Finicum's widow about her husband's shooting, or a wrongful death lawsuit that she intends to bring against the government.

"She should not be asked about his death, period,'' U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown instructed.

State police fatally shot her husband after he drove off from a police stop on Jan. 26, crashed his truck into a snowbank, got out and tried to reach into his jacket at least three times, according to police. Investigators found a loaded 9mm handgun inside his left jacket pocket.

A federal investigation is ongoing into an alleged firing of gunshots by FBI agents at the scene and an alleged cover-up of the evidence.

-- Maxine Bernstein
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[monty]

Ammon Bundy defies judge and talks about his friend LaVoy Finicum


http://youtu.be/Cax0ed1PqE0

https://youtu.be/Cax0ed1PqE0

[monty]

Kelli Stewart has an informative video on her facebook page re today's court session. Her description of the judge's demeanor will keep you smiling.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1561375057522605/permalink/1696532420673534/

Video has been uploaded to youtube


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCDQsSgZTZI&feature=youtu.be
(https://www.facebook.com/groups/1561375057522605/permalink/1696532420673534/)

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Todd Macfarlane Day 15 from RangeFire, Malheur Protest trial Ammon Bundy completes his testimony, the defense has very few questions, Jeanette Finicum testified.

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/29/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-continues-part-2-the-defense-case

DAY 16 — Thursday, October 6, 2016
Ammon Bundy’s testimony continued today. He testified about his purposes, objectives, intentions, and actions at MNWR. He reiterated that one of his primary objectives was to stake an adverse possession claim, because he believed ownership of the Refuge property was in dispute, and he was disputing federal ownership of the property. Consequently, based on Adverse Possession principles, he took steps to change signs, and to actually change and improve the property, including clean-up and repairs. Although some have
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asserted that the Adverse Possession defense was something Bundy and his attorneys came up with after the fact, they presented evidence, including videos, that he had presented classes on the subject of Adverse Possession at the Refuge, and showed pictures supporting his testimony that it was part of his purpose from the outset. When asked about his exit strategy, Bundy testified that his plan was to teach locals, including the Harney County Committee of Safety and local ranchers; turn the effort, including possession of the Refuge over to them to move forward with in challenging the federal government’s ownership, possession and jurisdiction, and leave. Once again, check out Bundy Court Sketches on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/bundycourtsketch/).

Ammon Bundy said that based on what he was trying to accomplish, he didn’t believe he was doing anything unlawful, and certainly not criminal. He said he thought there was a possiblity that the federal goverment would take action, civilly, to claim he and his associates were trespassing at the Refuge, and would take action, civilly, to evict them. He said that because the idea of conspiring to impede or interfere with federal employees had never even crossed his mind, he did not consider the possiblity of such charges. By the time Ammon Bundy was done testifying, it was clear that much hard-fought evidence had come in that the Government worked desperately to keep out, seriously undermining the government’s already marginal case.

After hours on the witness stand in direct examination, Bundy was only cross-examined by the prosecution for less than 20 minutes. On cross examination, Bundy admitted that he had taken a federal government-guaranteed loan for his business, and that he pays federal taxes. He said that he recognizes and believes in the federal government, but believes its proper role is limited by the constitution. When prosecutor Ethan

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Knight attempted to question Bundy about that, he offered to debate the constitution and what it means with Knight, who declined, and moved on with his questioning, including the reason for bringing guns to the refuge. Bundy testified that it was so they would be taken seriously, get more attention, be able to defend themselves, if necessary, and to help insure their right to exercise their First Amendment rights.

After Bundy’s testimony was finished, LaVoy Finicum’s widow, Jeanette Finicum, took the stand. She testified about the facts and circumstances surrounding LaVoy’s trip to the Refuge. She said the protest rally in Burns to support the Hammonds wasn’t even on his radar screen until the day before (1/1/2016) when he received a phone call. When he left home he was planning to go up for the rally and come straight back. Jeanette said that she was surprised that he had decided to stay, and she broke down in tears as she testified that she spent the first week trying to convince him to come home, until she resigned herself to the fact that he was committed to stay, because, according to him, local ranchers wanted him, and the others to be there.

We’ll be talking with Trent Loos about weekly trial updates tomorrow, and plan on shooting a weekly recap video as well.

For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/), Bundy Court Sketches on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/bundycourtsketch/), or Gary Hunt at Outpost for Freedom (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/) and Redoubt News (http://redoubtnews.com/).

At RANGEFIRE! we believe in the need for alternative voices to mainstream media commentary and coverage of these issues.

RANGE (http://rangemagazine.com/) / RANGEFIRE! — Addressing Issues Facing the West / Spreading America’s Cowboy Spirit Beyond the Outback

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http://on-stand.beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/10/jeanette-finicum-testifies-in-bundy-trial-ammon-continues-on-stand-3422003.html

Jeanette Finicum Testifies in Bundy Trial – Ammon Continues on Stand

(Before It's News) (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/10/jeanette-finicum-testifies-in-bundy-trial-ammon-continues-on-stand-3422003.html)


Lorie Kramer Here’s John Lamb’s report from the Federal Courthouse in Portland, OR during today’s session of the case of the Feds vs. We the People; otherwise known as US Government vs, Bundy et all.

Today Ammon continued on the stand. It appears he was allowed to get some reality of what those people were doing there out at the Malheur Refuge to the jury. Ammon continued to wear jail clothes.

Jeanette Finicum was also called to the stand today. Judge Anna Brown gave a lot of restrictions in what the widow of the slain LaVoy Finicum would be allowed to say. Court observers reported that there were tears in the eyes of several jurors today, as well there should have been if they are humans with working hearts.

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David Fry remains in solitary confinement, but his spirits are good. It amazes me that he is still being held at all, let alone in solitary. I had the honor of meeting Jeff Banta and Sean and Sandy Anderson while I was in Portland. Each time I saw them I thought to myself that David Fry should be able to be there too. He saved all of their lives. Heck, they let Shawna out with an ankle bracelet at first, they could have done that with him. Shame. I am grateful his parents have been there with him this week. At least they were allowed to visit with David. Lisa Bundy, Ammon’s wife, was not allowed to visit her husband when she was here and attended court earlier in the week, and had to watch her husband on the stand. These women are so very strong.

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David Fry

Overall, truth is getting out bit by bit. The Feds have asked very few questions today. One of the odd ones was when they asked Ammon Bundy if it was true that he said he would stay at the refuge until 2036. Ammon responded (paraphrased) no, it only takes 7 years to own the land in Oregon law; refering to the process of adverse possession which is what was actually being attempted, peacefully and lawfully, in Harney County.


http://youtu.be/tzvQm9GlA4g



John Lamb’s live streams can be found here https://www.facebook.com/john.lamb.16121


Defense witness Lee Rice’s situation is updated herehttps://www.facebook.com/lee.rice2/videos/10208378098582839/?pnref=story

Please share, get to Portland if you can, you will never regret standing, and we need to stand, badly.


And yes, John, I wish I was still there as well. God bless you and brother David.

[monty]

Youtube videos of the Malheur Protest trial from this week this week

Oct. 4

http://youtu.be/gev8jeo6ngI

https://youtu.be/gev8jeo6ngI

Oct. 5

http://youtu.be/D6zR8GKzYZk

https://youtu.be/D6zR8GKzYZk

Oct. 6 also posted Before its News


http://youtu.be/tzvQm9GlA4g

https://youtu.be/tzvQm9GlA4g

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"The national mainstream media doesn't really want to talk about it...or maybe they think it is just to important to talk about on a national level" Scott Rohter

The Trial of the Century – The Occupation Trial of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

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The Trial of the Century

The Occupation Trial of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

By Scott Michael Rohter

Notes from the courtroom for the week of October 3 through October 7

The national mainstream media doesn’t really want to talk about it… or maybe they think it is too important to actually talk about on a national level. I’m not sure which, but the most important aspect of the occupation trial of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge won’t even be discussed at the trial, more less debated in the jury’s presence. That is because the judge won’t allow it to be discussed or debated.

Nevertheless this occupation trial of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is the trial of the century. It is the political trial that isn’t supposed to be a political trial. It is purported to be a criminal trial… but all of the underlying issues that caused the occupation of the Refuge to happen are all political in nature and they all began back in 1976 when Congress rewrote 200 years of American history and precedent by passing the Federal Land Policy Management Act.

This changed the way that Congress administers public land. It went from being a temporary, custodial stewardship to a permanent confiscation as a result of this law. The occupation of over seven hundred million acres of land in twelve Western States will not be discussed in the courtroom during the trial. This is the real occupation, not the one that occurred at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge… The amount of land occupied by the Federal Government is an area bigger than the size of most countries.. Only eight countries in the world are bigger than the amount of land owned and administered by two agencies of the Federal government… the Bureau of Land Management and the United States Forest Service. It isn’t constitutional.

The eight defendants in this trial are accused of conspiracy to impede federal officers by threats and intimidation. The defendants are: Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Shawna Cox, Jason Patrick, Kenneth Medenbach, Jeff Banta, Neil Wampler and David Fry.

This may be the most intensively managed trial that America has ever seen. It is certainly the most intensively managed trial that I have ever seen. Every aspect of it is controlled and regulated by the judge from the moment the jury enters the room to the moment they leave the room. The judge acts more like an explosives expert than a referee between the prosecutors and the defense attorneys. She is handling this trial like it is some kind of a ticking time bomb or a lighted stick of dynamite.

All the video evidence submitted by defense attorneys is managed right down to the very last nano second so jurors will not be allowed to get too comfortable with the soft going, gentle resolve of the man who is at the center of this trial.. the good natured, mild mannered Ammon Bundy, and his simply amazing brother, Ryan Bundy. These modern American heroes have been locked up without bail since their arrest in January 2016 for organizing and participating in a protest designed to get Congress to re-examine the issue of what to do about America’s public lands.

In order to eliminate a lot of what Judge Anna Brown likes to call cumulative evidence but what many observers, myself included consider to be corroborating evidence, she has sustained almost four thousand objections raised by federal prosecutors who want to keep as much exculpatory evidence as possible out of this trial. Every time defense attorneys open their mouth to speak another government prosecutor is up on his feet raising another objection. Much of the time is spent stating and restating the following words: “Objection… cumulative… sustained. The objection is sustained Mr. Mumford, now move on”. This goes on over and over again till you want to scream.

The government is not trying to win the argument by presenting a clear and convincing case against the defendants, but rather by preventing their attorneys from making a clear and convincing case on their behalf. That is my impression at least, and this isn’t justice. It isn’t even fair.

Neither the defense attorneys nor the prosecutors really want to talk to each other so the judge acts like a reluctant intermediary and she acts like she doesn’t understand it. This trial is certainly like no other… and the conspiracy that Ammon Bundy and the others are accused of committing is a conspiracy like no other.

Normally you can’t have a lawsuit unless you can show damages, so where are these damages? Well, the FBI and the Department of Justice have fabricated a list of so called damages which were created after most of the defendants had already been arrested and removed from the Refuge. They are attributing these damages to all of the defendants collectively. The government alleges that the defendants trashed the place, but numerous eye witnesses who were there during the occupation have stated that they always saw it neat and tidy and never saw any damages. If there are no damages, there is no basis for a lawsuit. That is the usual rule, but there has been nothing usual about this trial so far, so we will just have to wait and see what the jury decides to do..

Federal arms charges were dismissed against Shawna Cox this week. It also came out during trial this week that the BLM district manager for Harney County closed the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Center on or about the same time that the BLM obtained a first right of refusal to purchase the Hammond Ranch. The BLM also filed a civil lawsuit against the Hammonds to cancel their grazing rights so they could never use public land again.

Many witnesses testified that they never felt threatened or intimidated by any of the defendants who were at the Refuge. That included Pat Harlacher, a seven year resident of Burns who visited the Refuge six different times while the defendants were there, a man from Las Vegas named Brand Thornton who supported the occupation, a local rancher named Travis Williams, another local rancher named Melody Rae Molt, and Sheriff David Ward. Sheriff Ward also said that he didn’t recall ever hearing about any threats made to Federal employees by the defendants. He said he did feel that he had been given an ultimatum though at one point by the defendant Ammon Bundy, but he failed to show any evidence of that under cross examination.

The judge ruled that no one could discuss the Constitution in her court because only a lawyer is qualified to properly understand and explain the Constitution and she wasn’t about to therefore it wasn’t going to be done… Ammon wasn’t going to be allowed to do it period, end of story. The prosecutors objected to the Constitution being read, and the Bible being quoted, and the Book of Mormon. God was ruled inadmissible at some point in the day, but someone did find a way to bring the devil into the discussion. That was one hell of a crazy day.. and oh by the way there is one more thing that is Verboten… No one can ever talk about the murder… excuse me, I mean the death of Lavoy Finicum. That is absolutely forbidden… along with any discussion of how 700 million acres of land in twelve western states has become occupied by the Federal Government and controlled by Congress through two federal agencies … the Bureau of Land Management and the United States Forest Service. This trial is so frustrating as to what the defense is and is not allowed to talk about that it is getting ridiculous already.

Out of those nearly four thousand objections raised by the prosecutors about 99% of them were sustained

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The Hammond family of Burns,Oregon

There was a brief discussion in court about whether or not prosecuting the Hammonds under the Anti-Terrorist and Effective Death Penalty Act (AEDPA) was the same thing as calling them terrorists… The judge said it wasn’t.. but Ammon basically said it was a difference without a distinction. Judge Anna Brown then stated the record pertaining to the Hammonds as follows…

On June 21 2012 Dwight and Stephen Hammond were convicted of arson. Dwight was sentenced to three months in jail for one count, while Stephen was sentenced to twelve months on two counts. On February 5, 2014 the Ninth Circuit Court of Schlemiels overturned the lower court sentences. Upon further appeal the Hammond’s claim for relief was rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court and they were resentenced to spend the rest of a five year mandatory minimum sentence under AEDPA.

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Oregon standoff trial: Thursday highlights, and what's next

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on October 07, 2016 at 5:00 AM, updated October 07, 2016 at 5:02 AM



Here's what you need to know about Thursday's developments:


Ammon Bundy testified that there were "men in the trees and everywhere else'' (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/ammon_bundy_describes_arrest_m.html) when police surrounded the Jeep he was riding in to a community meeting in John Day on Jan. 26. "I believed my life was in extreme danger if I moved in any way,'' Bundy said Thursday, his third day on the witness stand in his federal conspiracy trial. "I didn't even reach to pick up my hat in the seat next to me because I was afraid I'd get shot.''



A prosecutor Thursday afternoon lobbed rapid questions at Ammon Bundy during a cross examination (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/prosecutors_brief_cross-examin.html) that lasted just under 15 minutes.



The prosecutor highlighted key testimony that Bundy had offered during his direct examination that seemed to bolster the federal government's case: there was a "unified purpose'' to the occupation, guns played a role in helping carry out the refuge takeover, that Bundy knew federal employees worked at the site, and Bundy and others used parts of the refuge as their own.



Jeanette Finicum, the widow of occupation spokesman Robert "LaVoy'' Finicum, briefly testified. She visited the refuge the weekend of Jan. 22, and had planned to meet up with her husband again in Idaho on the following weekend.



The judge didn't allow anyone to question Finicum's widow about her husband's shooting, or a wrongful death lawsuit that she intends to bring against the government.


Coming next week:


The federal conspiracy trial will resume on Tuesday next week. Testimony will be heard Tuesday, Thursday and Friday.



There's no court Monday because of the Columbus Day holiday or Wednesday because of the Jewish high holiday, Yom Kippur.



U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown has urged defense lawyers to limit the number of witnesses they call who may offer the same testimony as others have given regarding, for example, the cleanliness, welcoming atmosphere and peaceful activities they found at the refuge. "It's been established,'' Brown said. "We need new information ... I have a duty to not waste the jury's time ... You're going to lose these people. It's the same message and they got it.''



The judge directed defense lawyers to give a list of their remaining witnesses to prosecutors by 5 p.m. Saturday.



Defense firearms expert Charles Stephenson, a former FBI special agent, is expected to take the stand Tuesday morning.



Defendant Kenneth Medenbach also is expected to take the stand sometime next week. His standby lawyer Matthew Schindler anticipates the direct examination of Medenbach to last three hours.



"What we did with Ammon Bundy took far too long,'' the judge told defense lawyers. Bundy was on the stand for a total of about 10 hours over three days.



Asked if he intends to take the witness stand, defendant Ryan Bundy, Ammon's older brother, told the court Thursday, that he's "leaning against it.''

[monty]

A facebook poster asking for more information on sighted caretaker at Malheur Reserve; seems urgent:

Robert Jones (https://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Jones/100011572500530?fref=nf)

19 mins (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=257217441340671&id=100011572500530) ·

Attention: VERY important!!
A caretaker came out to the Harney County resource center he was emptying trash cans or something if you personally seen this person there, please private message me and I can get you to the proper people!!
Please share this post over and over again we need to find first hand accounts of this man!!!

[monty]

I liked this photo, most today don't know what the constitution is:

I belive this is Jason Patick, defendant in the Malheur Protest

https://fb-s-c-a.akamaihd.net/h-ak-xat1/t31.0-8/14500725_10157575555315319_3709595483281773751_o.j pg

[monty]

Burns Documentary, Chapter 33

The Shot Heard Round the World - Bundy's Finicum



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md0ASUDgSvk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md0ASUDgSvk

[monty]

Ammon Bundy has words with US Marshal after court Thursday for using attorney's computer to send a message to his wife.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/us_marshals_no_longer_allowing.html

U.S. marshals end Ammon Bundy's contact visits with lawyers in courthouse over 'disrespect'

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A dust-up between Ammon Bundy and a deputy U.S. marshal late Thursday while defendants and their lawyers were allowed to remain in a federal courtroom to confer after the conspiracy trial had adjourned for the day has resulted in reduced privileges for Bundy.

Bundy got onto an online chat room using his defense lawyer's computer in Courtroom 9A to send a message to his wife, and the deputy told him to stop and get off the computer, according to the U.S. Marshals Service.

Bundy was "very disrespectful'' and declared he wasn't going to follow the deputy's directions, saying: "I'm not going to do what you want,'' a deputy U.S. marshal told U.S. District Judge Robert E. Jones in a brief status hearing Friday afternoon.

Bundy's defense lawyer, Marcus Mumford, told the court that he was about 10 to 15 feet away when the dispute occurred.

Mumford said his client just wanted to send his wife a message, telling her that he loved her.

"All I heard was the aftermath,'' Mumford said. "The marshal and Mr. Bundy exchanged words.''

As a result, the U.S. Marshals Service moved to end the special accommodations the court had made for Bundy to meet together with his lawyers, as well as brother Ryan Bundy, a co-defendant in the trial, in a locked room in the courthouse as they've done about 20 times to help them prepare and work on their defense.

The two are among seven defendants on trial in the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, charged with conspiring to prevent federal employees from carrying out their work at the refuge through intimidation, threats or force.

Instead, the marshals are allowing Bundy to meet with his lawyer in one of the courthouse interview rooms, where the defendant is separated from the lawyer by a see-through screen.

Mumford urged the court to allow the earlier accommodation. "We would still want to meet with Mr. Bundy in a contact setting'' to review evidence that is still expected to be presented in the ongoing case, he said.

"This is an episode we could put as water under the bridge, perhaps,'' Mumford offered.

But Jones said he would maintain the restrictions. If he has problems meeting with his client in the courthouse interview room, Jones told Mumford to let him know.

"We'll work it out,'' Jones told Mumford. "I hope you tell your client it's stupid to make remarks like he did.... I hope you can give him some wise counsel.''

Trial resumes Tuesday morning before U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown.

-- Maxine Bernstein
mbernstein@oregonian.com
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[monty]

Shari Dovale's assesment of Thursday's court session. Redoubt News.

we can only hope this jury has some people capable of thinking for themselves.

http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/07/brown-light-favorable-government/

Judge Brown, “In a Light Most Favorable to the Government”

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Or… Just Lean a Little to My Side

Politics of, and in the Courtroom

by Shari Dovale

This week brought several emotional moments in the Malheur Protest Trial (http://redoubtnews.com/?s=Malheur+Protest+Trial) in Portland. Ammon Bundy spent the better part of three days on the stand, completing his testimony on Thursday.

The court attempted to severely limit the evidence presented by the defense, including a video between Ammon and a couple of ranchers. Though Judge Anna Brown has allowed the prosecution leeway to present what they want (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/12/facebook-evidence-allowed-bundy-trial/), she has ruled, repeatedly, that defense evidence is “cumulative” or repetitive. She is tired of seeing pictures and videos of the same offices and places around the refuge.

Ammon Bundy attempted to discuss his conversations with the Hammonds, yet Brown shut that one down as well (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/04/judge-anna-brown-drops-mask/).http://i1.wp.com/redoubtnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/ammon.jpg?zoom=2&resize=220%2C279
Telling him that he could not share the specifics of the conversation, Brown said Bundy could only describe his personal state of mind after the conversation.

“I’d rather not say my state of mind if I’m unable to explain why,” Bundy responded. Brown then told him to be quiet. Marcus Mumford took up the argument with the judge. Waiting until the jury was out of the room, Mumford accused the judge of not allowing key evidence to be presented.

Understandably, Mumford was upset for his client, yet the judge had her own theatrics in claiming that Mumford was threatening her. After the repeated shutting down of the defense, yet allowing the prosecution to grandstand, it is amazing that these defense attorneys have held their cool for this long.

Ammon spent time discussing the lack of response by the elected officials, including the sheriff, county commissioners and the governor, to the people’s questions and concerns. “When elected officials ignore us, what are we to do?” he asked.

Judge Brown has told them that she has heard enough of how the refuge was safe and clean (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/01/17/burns-malheur-wildlife-refuge/), with the protesters being open and transparent during the occupation. She has told them that they cannot refer to conversations they had with others, including Dwight and Steven Hammond. And, she wont allow them to discuss the FBI being under investigation for lying about the murder of LaVoy Finicum.

The defendants cannot talk about their conversations as it is “hearsay” but there is no way to get some of these people into the courtroom to testify to it themselves. This includes Governor Kate Brown, whom Ryan Bundy has tried to subpoena, yet Judge Brown continues to stop that from happening.

Ammon was able to show video highlights of him teaching the principles of adverse possession. This was important, and powerful enough, that the prosecution now wants Judge Brown to instruct the jury in such a way that they will disregard it. The prosecution cannot refute this through testimony, so they need the judge to play the “I am the only one that understands the law” card and try to shut it down for them.

At one point during Ammon’s testimony, out of sight of the jury, Neil Wampler led other defendants and audience members in a standing ovation for Ammon. “We love you Ammon,” they shouted. This demonstration took Judge Brown by surprise, but was over quickly so she had no comments.

At one point, Ammon was asked to name who attended the meeting at Ye Old Castle restaurant in Burns before the rally on January 2nd. As he named several people, he commented, “I hope I’m not making a list for the government’s next indictments.” This drew laughter from the audience and anger from Judge Brown.

Ethan Knight of the prosecution team threw some rapid-fire questions at Ammon on cross examination. He attempted to distort Ammon’s testimony, however, Ammon held his own very well.

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LaVoy Finicum

Jeanette Finicum (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/02/25/jeanette-finicum-speaks-out-on-death-of-lavoy/) briefly took the stand on Thursday afternoon to discuss when her husband went to the refuge. Not hearing about the rally until January 1st, LaVoy only took a single change of clothes with him, as he did not intend to be there for very long. Describing when he told her that he was going to stay at the refuge, “I repeatedly asked my husband to come home,” she testified.

Judge Brown did not allow any questions to be asked about the day LaVoy was shot and killed. “She [Jeanette] should not be asked about his death, period,” Brown instructed.

Next week will bring several more witnesses, including Sheriff Richard Mack (http://cspoa.org/). There have been several points made during the trial about what authority the Constitution gives to the county sheriff. Mack will be here to explain the truth of this. I am sure Judge Brown will not be happy when the law, and the Constitution, get discussed, and she is probably already planning how she intends to shut this testimony down.

Kenneth Medenbach is planning to testify next week, as well as several other witnesses. Judge Brown was not happy to hear that the defense case is not ready to rest, and she makes various comments that might suggest she is encouraging them to do so. However, the defense attorneys, and the defendants, are determined to continue despite Judge Brown’s annoyance.

Judge Brown has found various ways to aid the prosecution, and another way is within the jury instructions. Though the charge “Conspiracy to Impede Officers of the United States” is listed in the beginning, she goes on later to say the charge is to “prevent officers of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service and/or Bureau of Land Management from discharging the duties of the office” which is a noticeable difference.

With this change, it seems to me that she has lowered the bar for the prosecution and made it much easier for them. The standard should be higher for the government, but it is not.

She refers to the standard by “In a light most favorable to the government” which, by my layman’s view, is a guilty until proven innocent standard. However, I had a discussion with an attorney in this case and it seems that this is a legal standard that goes to whether or not the government has presented enough evidence to send it to the jury. Though I, among others, do not believe that is the case, it only matters whether or not Judge Brown believes it. Of course she does. She is heavily invested in this verdict.

Additionally, she has stressed to the jury that the conspiracy does not have to actually take place, just that two people discussed it at some point. This sounds an awful lot like the “Thought Police (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police).”

There will be just three days of testimony next week as the court will shut down on Monday for the Columbus Day holiday and Wednesday for the Jewish holiday, Yom Kippur.

[monty]

Todd Macfarlane with week 4 recap of Malheur Protest Trial

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/29/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-continues-part-2-the-defense-case/

WEEK 4 RECAP
Rural Route Radio Recap Discussion with Trent Loos & Todd Macfarlane (http://ruralrouteradio.com/affiliates/friruralroute.mp3)


http://youtu.be/V784OV2BGQ0

For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/), Bundy Court Sketches on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/bundycourtsketch/), or Gary Hunt at Outpost for Freedom (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/) and Redoubt News (http://redoubtnews.com/).

At RANGEFIRE! we believe in the need for alternative voices to mainstream media commentary and coverage of these issues.

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[monty]

I must concur with the views of Bill Goode. There is no way the government is going to allow a win, even though it appears the they have little or no case. Judge Anna Brown has her orders from Washington. She will do whatever to win this.

Edit:

I'm disgusted with the direction this country is going because it seems to me to be turning into a satanic shithole run and controlled by Jews. Tumbleweed

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Many court observers have expressed optimism for the outcome of this trial in Portland. Strictly based on what I've heard from courtroom observers and what I've read in the news, I would be optimistic as well. But then I am almost always an optimist. ;)

However, several things have come to my mind today as I've been pondering about the trial.

1) Prosecution only asked about 10 questions to Ammon and only spent about 15 minutes questioning him during his three day testimony, asking some pretty innocuous questions. Prosecution questioning of other defense witnesses has been similarly brief. Does the prosecution, not being the idiots we would hope they are, care what the defense witnesses say?

2) The article posted this evening, titled "Judge Brown, 'In Light Most Favorable to the Government' - Redoubt News" blatantly displays Anna Brown's (I refuse to call her by the honored title "Judge") overwhelming bias toward the prosecution and the government side of things. After all, that's who she's working for and pays her salary. And undoubtedly has given her orders with regard to this particular case. Does anyone think she would act any other way?

3) The federal government cannot afford to lose this case. It would mean the initiation of a massive transfer of real estate away from the federal government, ie Anna Brown's employer. BLM, USNPS, USNFS, USF&WS, and probably a number of other agencies involved with the public lands we haven't heard of, become obsolete.

It could possibly even affect military bases, because none of that land has been purchased from the states, any more than the public lands. Article I, Section 8, Clause 17 requires military bases be purchased, along with other requirements, not simply absconded with.

It would massively change the nature and appearance of the federal government. Will the federal government, being in virtual absolute dictatorial control of this trial, allow that?

I doubt that the prosecutors or Anna Brown are stupid. What do they have up their sleeves?

Anna Brown has made it clear that she will run the trial as a dictator, points of law and judicial procedure being of little consequence to her, let alone those forgotten documents, the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Brown can and may very well conduct the trial to whatever outcome she plans.

As the jury enters into deliberations and Brown gets a sense the jury will come up with the "wrong verdict", she could declare a mistrial. Then she may well rule that we have to go through the entire process again, whereby our patriot defendants, who have been in jail for 8+ months, will have to remain in jail, until we have another trial. Virtually declaring that they must remain there until she feels any jury will deliver the verdict she is looking for. This would in effect give the defendants the sentences she has in mind.

I have heard more than once that some of the jury members were in tears during defense testimony. Does anyone presume this escaped the attention of Anna Brown?

Anna Brown may well have something else up her sleeve, besides a mistrial.

Being the optimist I am, and based on the evidence presented, I can't see anything but an acquittal on all charges. But neither Anna Brown nor the prosecution are stupid. I am simply wondering what they have in mind to effect the outcome they are looking for. We must brace ourselves for come what may.

[monty]

Teresa Brookshire from North Carolina has followed this case from the beginning. She flew to Portland to watch two days of the trial. She responds to Bill Goode's essay:


3) The federal government cannot afford to lose this case. It would mean the initiation of a massive transfer of real estate away from the federal government, ie Anna Brown's employer. BLM, USNPS, USNFS, USF&WS, and probably a number of other agencies involved with the public lands we haven't heard of, become obsolete.


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Teresa Brookshire I sat and watched as Comey gave his testimony regarding Hillary Clinton and what they actually had found in regards to the emails. The many thousands of classified and ones that since that time had been classified. I thought "we got her". Then I watched him with a straight face say they did not recommend prosecution. Blown away yet? #3 is your biggest reason the prosecution and judge absolutely has to win this case.

My thoughts on their strategy? By the prosecution giving a brief cross of Ammon, they were signaling to the jury that regardless of his testimony-it is legally irrelevant. The issue of land jurisdiction was never resolved, and they will claim adverse possession cannot occur on federal land. After testifying, they know that Ammon has touched the souls of some of them. They will acknowledge that to the jury-because they don't want to lose them seeming like the bad guy. They will use the testimony of weapons being brought there so they would be taken seriously as intent to intimidate. The pouch they say was found in a vehicle with the computer card, etc, they will use as taking away that persons ability to do their work. Small things like that.

Cross will have to focus on what has been built by Ammon as the overreach of the government in cases like the Hammonds and truly that adverse possession was the last avenue Americans had to take a stand. Unfortunately, she is not going to allow statements about the jurisdiction issue to be elaborated on. What is vital for the government, she will let in.

When the jurors are deciding the verdict, any hold outs for not guilty will be brought to her chambers to be questioned if they understood the law and her directives. Based on their answers, she has the authority at that time to replace them with an alternate juror. Their answer needs to be they understand the law as she quoted it and don't have any questions. If I remember correctly, a motion was filed to allow the jury to be instructed on jury nullification-or I dreamed it. I do not recall this being addressed.

I have been surprised by the lack of testimony from the FBI. YES, many agents but not dynamic, damming testimony. I have thought about this and believe that was a strategy also. They don't want the jury knowing how intensely they were involved in the entire situation and the degree of surveillance they had and how their own role was the escalation. In closing the defense will have to keep in the juries head the thought that if they will being unlawful, they had many opportunities to arrest them. Why did they not? I felt very good about the case when I was there for the two days during the prosecutions presentation and have closely followed since. Everything has been a positive for our guys. But, I am like you Bill in that the government is not going to let it be this "easy." They definitely have a strategy. I believe in the innocence of these men and their reason for standing. As Americans, I pray that regardless of the prosecution's strategy, the jury will say, no, we won't let this happen. Just as these men took a stand, I pray the jury will also. But, I imagine Judge Anna will be quite formidable when giving jury instructions.
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Bill Goode Teresa (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=EAQGWsH48), I don't believe either Karen Armstrong, who I believe wrote the indictment, or Greg Bretzing, FBI in-charge in Portland, have testified. Is that the case? They should have.
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Teresa Brookshire I don't believe so. When I was there, each FBI agent testified to specific incidents, so when defense asked them any further questions they would not have any knowledge of it. Almost as if the strategy was to only put up FBI agents that had limited knowledge of the total FBI's role. This would severely restrict questions from the defense. All of this is JMO.
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[monty]

The spin from the jewess at Oregon Live.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/legal_experts_weigh_in_on_ammo.html

http://image.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width40/img/avatars/4406.png (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/index.html)By Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html)
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on October 08, 2016 at 5:00 AM, updated October 08, 2016 at 5:02 AM

Does Ammon Bundy's 10-hour testimony help or hurt his case in Oregon standoff trial?

Did Ammon Bundy's nearly 10 hours of testimony help or harm his case?

Bundy told the judge this week that she left him no choice but to take the witness stand in his own defense.
U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown had restricted defense lawyers from eliciting testimony from witnesses about the principle of adverse possession or who owns the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge unless it related to a defendant's state of mind in explaining motivation for occupying the refuge.

Facing those limitations, Marcus Mumford, Bundy's attorney, said it was crucial for his client to tell his full story.

"We put him on because he wanted to explain why he did what he did,'' Mumford said. "The jury got to see him and hear him speak with candor.''

Legal experts weigh in:
Margaret L. Paris, University of Oregon law professor:
"If you have a defendant who can appeal to the jury, you give them as much time as you can. If he comes across as sincere, that he really believes this – that may be the best defense available.''
But if the testimony is repetitive and too long, Paris added, "you risk losing the jury.''
"It's a calculated risk a defense lawyer takes. And, it's always a crap shoot.''
On the prosecutor's brief cross-examination, Paris said it's not unusual.
"If you're facing an effective witness, as a cross-examiner, you want to get your points out without giving him too much more time on the stand. The prosecutor went in for the points he needed to make, got in and got out.''

Defense lawyer Matthew Schindler, standby counsel to Kenneth Medenbach, one of Bundy's six co-defendants. Medenbach plans to take the witness stand next week.
"It's his right to get up and tell his story. A protester should not invoke their right to remain silent.''
Of Ammon Bundy's testimony, "All I can tell you is it seems authentic.''
The decision allowed Ammon Bundy to humanize himself to jurors, Schindler said.
"It's fairly unusual to have a defendant who can come across as sincere and handle a cross-examination.''
Schindler wasn't surprised by Assistant U.S. Attorney Ethan Knight's 15-minute cross-examination.
"This is the U.S. government. These guys let the evidence do the talking.''

Tung Yin, Lewis & Clark Law professor:
If the defense is seeking jury nullification – meaning the government has proved its case with the evidence presented but a juror won't convict because he or she likes or feels sympathy for the defendant or their cause -- then it was probably useful for Ammon Bundy to take the stand, Yin said.
"It would be useful to make his client seem likeable, not crazy and halfway reasonable."
Ammon Bundy remained calm and composed on the witness stand, often looked at jurors as he spoke and became emotional as he described his past experience with federal agents at the 2014 standoff outside his father Cliven Bundy's ranch in Nevada.

As for the short cross-examination, that makes sense for several reasons, Yin said.
"Because it was so short, it was pointed and sharp. It's unlikely the jury was bored, or dozing or or not paying attention. The jury is likely to remember the entire exchange. Second, it limited the scope of redirect, meaning that Bundy's lawyer could only ask further questions relating to what Bundy was crossed on.''

Andrew Chongseh Kim, Concordia University law professor:
It appears that Ammon Bundy's lawyer wanted to spend time delving into his client's intentions, motivations, reasoning and background that played into his decision to stay at the refuge for nearly a month.
In contrast, the prosecutor's decision to limit his cross-examination may demonstrate "that they think the vast majority of the previous three days' testimony is irrelevant to whether Bundy is guilty'' of the federal conspiracy charge.

The charge accuses Bundy and co-defendants of conspiring to use intimidation, threats or force to prevent employees from the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service and U.S. Bureau of Land Management from carrying out their work during the 41-day occupation of the refuge.

"Such a stark contrast could make the jury think the prosecution failed to respond to the defense's strong evidence, or it could make the jury think the defense spent three days trying to distract them from the real issues of the case.''
-- Maxine Bernstein

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[monty]

This cowardly sheriff could have prevented the Malheur Protest . . . and the death of LaVoy Finicum


http://rangefire.us/2016/10/08/beware-skittish-county-sheriffs-who-dont-understand-their-important-role/

Beware Skittish County Sheriffs Who Don’t Understand Their Important Role

October 8, 2016 - Government/Politics (http://rangefire.us/category/politics/) - Tagged: federal government (http://rangefire.us/tag/federal-government/), Harney County (http://rangefire.us/tag/harney-county/), Range (http://rangefire.us/tag/range/), RANGEfire (http://rangefire.us/tag/rangefire/), Role (http://rangefire.us/tag/role/), sheriff (http://rangefire.us/tag/sheriff/), Ward (http://rangefire.us/tag/ward/) - no comments (http://rangefire.us/2016/10/08/beware-skittish-county-sheriffs-who-dont-understand-their-important-role/#respond)


According to ReDoubt News, Skittish Harney County Sheriff Makes Himself Putty in the Feds’ Hands and Turned Burns into a War Zone (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/03/skittish-sheriff-turns-burns-warzone/).
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http://youtu.be/YnnoabYVJ3k

Rural Route Radio Discussion of Role of County Sheriffs (as well as Oregon Standoff Trial) with Trent Loos & Todd Macfarlane (http://ruralrouteradio.com/affiliates/friruralroute.mp3)
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[monty]

Todd Macfarlane was supposed to testify in the Malhuer trial, but has been released.


http://youtu.be/8BHXK5vi9Xc

https://youtu.be/8BHXK5vi9Xc

[monty]

Teresa Brookshire from North Carolina has followed this case from the beginning. She flew to Portland to watch two days of the trial. She responds to Bill Goode's essay:

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Teresa Brookshire I sat and watched as Comey gave his testimony regarding Hillary Clinton and what they actually had found in regards to the emails. The many thousands of classified and ones that since that time had been classified. I thought "we got her". Then I watched him with a straight face say they did not recommend prosecution. Blown away yet? #3 is your biggest reason the prosecution and judge absolutely has to win this case.

My thoughts on their strategy? By the prosecution giving a brief cross of Ammon, they were signaling to the jury that regardless of his testimony-it is legally irrelevant. The issue of land jurisdiction was never resolved, and they will claim adverse possession cannot occur on federal land. After testifying, they know that Ammon has touched the souls of some of them. They will acknowledge that to the jury-because they don't want to lose them seeming like the bad guy. They will use the testimony of weapons being brought there so they would be taken seriously as intent to intimidate. The pouch they say was found in a vehicle with the computer card, etc, they will use as taking away that persons ability to do their work. Small things like that.

Cross will have to focus on what has been built by Ammon as the overreach of the government in cases like the Hammonds and truly that adverse possession was the last avenue Americans had to take a stand. Unfortunately, she is not going to allow statements about the jurisdiction issue to be elaborated on. What is vital for the government, she will let in.

When the jurors are deciding the verdict, any hold outs for not guilty will be brought to her chambers to be questioned if they understood the law and her directives. Based on their answers, she has the authority at that time to replace them with an alternate juror. Their answer needs to be they understand the law as she quoted it and don't have any questions. If I remember correctly, a motion was filed to allow the jury to be instructed on jury nullification-or I dreamed it. I do not recall this being addressed.

I have been surprised by the lack of testimony from the FBI. YES, many agents but not dynamic, damming testimony. I have thought about this and believe that was a strategy also. They don't want the jury knowing how intensely they were involved in the entire situation and the degree of surveillance they had and how their own role was the escalation. In closing the defense will have to keep in the juries head the thought that if they will being unlawful, they had many opportunities to arrest them. Why did they not? I felt very good about the case when I was there for the two days during the prosecutions presentation and have closely followed since. Everything has been a positive for our guys. But, I am like you Bill in that the government is not going to let it be this "easy." They definitely have a strategy. I believe in the innocence of these men and their reason for standing. As Americans, I pray that regardless of the prosecution's strategy, the jury will say, no, we won't let this happen. Just as these men took a stand, I pray the jury will also. But, I imagine Judge Anna will be quite formidable when giving jury instructions.
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Bill Goode Teresa (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=&h=EAQGWsH48), I don't believe either Karen Armstrong, who I believe wrote the indictment, or Greg Bretzing, FBI in-charge in Portland, have testified. Is that the case? They should have.
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Teresa Brookshire I don't believe so. When I was there, each FBI agent testified to specific incidents, so when defense asked them any further questions they would not have any knowledge of it. Almost as if the strategy was to only put up FBI agents that had limited knowledge of the total FBI's role. This would severely restrict questions from the defense. All of this is JMO.
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This fellow understands the situtation,

John Kolak I have to agree with Teresa that #3 is the overriding factor here. Ammon was wrong. It's not just that the issue of western land ownership is bigger than the Refuge and federal employees. This is much bigger than an academic review of western land ownership. This is about the value of public land and its resources, collateralization of the national debt, and the wealth and power of the globalists. I'm afraid the corruption in this court is bigger than Anna Brown and Harry Reid, but is directed from the globalist command center in the Department of Justice and the White House. This might have gotten a fair trial in the Reagan administration. I'm not sure about the Bush Dynasty. They might succeed on appeal in the 9th Circuit, but they might have to go to the Supreme Court to win. Is it possible that we lost Justice Scalia specifically for this case? If I am wrong and they are acquitted here, I'll be glad to be the first one to admit it.
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[monty]

Shari Dovale, Redoubt News "Examaning the Prosecution Evidence"

http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/10/malheur-7-examining-prosecution-evidence/


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Examining the Prosecution Evidence

by Shari Dovale (http://redoubtnews.com/?s=Shari+Dovale)

The Malheur Protest Trial (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/26/explaining-malheur-protest-trial/) resumes in Portland this week and the defense has been able to refute the prosecutions case pretty well.
Though they spent a couple of weeks presenting their ‘evidence,’ the prosecution didn’t have a lot to base their case on.

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They began by saying that 2 or more people conspired to impede Federal officers from November 5, 2015 through February 12, 2016. That is the basic charge. Let’s look at that first.
Ammon Bundy (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/05/ammon-testifies-malheur-protest-trial/) testified that he did not look into the Hammond case (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/02/03/hammond-case-facts-ammon-bundy/) until November 2nd. That is the date that he remembered specifically. He read for hours about Dwight and Steven Hammond, what they had gone through at the hands of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), and how similar this case was to that of his family.

He then spoke to the Hammonds and Sheriff Ward (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/14/sheriff-ward-testifies-malheur-trial/). At his point, it was still just Ammon with one other person, Ryan Payne, accompanying him. Knowing how important it was for the Sheriff to protect the citizens, and how much power he has to do this, speaking to the Sheriff was an important step. However, Ward apparently got scared (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/03/skittish-sheriff-turns-burns-warzone/) and refused to do his job. Ward testified that he immediately called the FBI to step in and take over for him.

Bundy then tried to contact the state and local elected officials. He prepared a letter of “Redress of Grievance” (http://bundyranch.blogspot.com/2015/12/notice-redress-of-grievance-action.html), first sending it via official email accounts, then sending notarized hard copies as a follow up. These went to the Harney County Commissioners, the Sheriff and Governor Kate Brown.

It has been shown that the FBI specifically told these officials NOT to respond to Bundy. As Bundy asked, when your elected officials refuse to respond to you, “What are we to do?”

That is when the January 2nd rally was organized. It began with just Ammon, but quickly spread on social media. It was very encouraging that so many planned to attend the rally.

Before the rally, Ammon held a meeting with about 30 people that had traveled to Burns, OR to attend the rally. This meeting took place at “Ye Olde Castle” restaurant in Burns. It was here, just before the rally, that Ammon first disclosed his idea to hold the refuge through ‘Adverse Possession.’ (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/07/brown-light-favorable-government/) It was not the only idea talked about that day, but this was Ammon’s idea and no one had heard it prior to then.

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The prosecution believe they can convict everyone on the conspiracy charge through various pieces of evidence. Some of that evidence consists of Facebook postings. So, if you post, or re-post, an event such as a protest rally on Social media, the prosecution says that can be evidence in a federal conspiracy trial.

Another item they submitted as evidence is a ‘Meme’ that someone posted to Ammon’s Facebook timeline. It has already been established that several people were administering this page. The meme shown here is either the exact one placed into evidence or one that is very similar. The caption reads: “Forgive me Father for I will sin.”

The prosecution contends that Ammon and the group of Citizens for Constitutional Freedom (C4CF) are extremely dangerous based, in part, on this meme. It is my understanding that this saying goes back to ground forces in the military. I guess that fits with the progressive agenda of the military being too dangerous for society.

The prosecution brought in several guns (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/27/malheur-protest-trial-big-gun-show/), but were not able to prove ownership of all of them. They could not determine when the guns arrived at Malheur, and whether or not they were placed there before or after the protesters arrived. They could not determine if these specific defendants brought them in. They were … just there.

The defense has presented multiple witnesses stating how comfortable they were at the Refuge. They testified that they saw very few, if any, weapons displayed while they visited. There were enough witnesses making these claims that Judge Anna Brown (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/09/judge-anna-brown-vs-constitution/) put her foot down and said that she had seen enough.

Remember, Oregon is an open carry state (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/08/23/oregon-disarming-law-abiding-gun-owners-2/). It is perfectly legal to carry a sidearm as you go around town and complete your business. In a ranching community, it is normal to see people carrying weapons. Yet, the prosecution made a big splash telling everyone how afraid the town was to see guns being worn everywhere.

The prosecution did not mention the FBI taking over the town, the heavily armed vehicles, or the airport and school being turned over to the FBI for their own use. Just some cowboys carrying sidearms.

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Photo of PPN outside the refuge.The prosecution also attempted to bring in multiple crates of ammunition they say were found at the refuge. Even Judge Brown didn’t want them to take the time to show each box. They say there were approximately 18,000 rounds. The defense put up a witness, Brandon Rapolla, who is a firearms instructor and was at the refuge with the Pacific Patriots Network (PPN). Rapolla testified that this was a small amount of ammo for as many people that were at the refuge, even for target practice.

Rapolla also testified to a photograph that the prosecution entered into evidence. This photo was taken on the road above the refuge and does not depict any of the C4CF group. It shows the PPN under Rapolla’s direction.

Then there are the videos that the prosecution entered as evidence. These include a video that they took from Ammon’s phone. This particular video was a ‘rough draft’ that he later re-recorded. The final was posted publicly, which included Ammon telling folks to come without their firearms. However, the prosecution used the rough draft and objected to the defense wanting to include the final version.

The witnesses (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/16/government-turns-hostile-witness/) that the prosecution questioned included Chad Karges (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/16/refuge-manager-testimony-witness-stand/), the refuge manager. Karges testified that it was his decision not to allow his employees to return to the refuge. This decision was made at least 2 days before the rally, and was based on Ammon being at Bunkerville. His name was Bundy and his family fought the BLM in 2014. There you go, the big conspiracy.

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Chad Karges, the manager of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, April 29, 2016 (KOIN)Also testifying were employees (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/19/prosecution-shenanigans-malheur-trial/) that said the offices were messy when they returned on February 17th or 18th. Looking at the time frame, let’s remember that the FBI had sole access to the refuge for about a week after the final four turned themselves in. The FBI then went about doing their crime scene investigation.

Has anyone ever seen what the FBI and crime scene investigators can do to a place? I have personal knowledge of this in my own family. They will tear a place apart to search it all. They will tear down walls, cut up carpet, dump desk drawers, etc. They will cut up cushions on couches and chairs, upend trash cans, kick in doors and more. They NEVER clean up after themselves. There are companies that you can hire specifically to clean up after crime scene investigations, and it costs thousands of dollars. Yet, the protesters have been blamed for every single thing out of place.

The defense has put on multiple witnesses that testified to the cleanliness and care that the C4CF took of the refuge. So many witnesses that, again, Judge Brown grew tired of it and told the defense to stop.

Statements from the defendants never mention keeping employees from doing their jobs. On the contrary, Karges and others testified that the employees never lost time or pay from the protest. They were able to complete their work at other facilities.
The defense has successfully refuted the prosecution evidence. But the questions still beg to be answered. Where is the crime, and who set the standard for this crime?

Judge Brown is heavily invested in this conviction. She has clearly shown her bias favoring the prosecution. Her jury instructions have been changed to lower the bar for the prosecution and make it more difficult for the defense team. She is determined to get a guilty verdict for all defendants in this case.

Stay Tuned! We will see if the evidence really matters.

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[monty]

Shari Dovale, Redoubt News "Judge Anna Brown vs the Constitution".

Because it is an administrative court the constitution cannot be heard or ruled on. Administrative courts deal in civil rights. United States Citizens have 14th amendment civil rights. The people have unalienable rights.


Judge Anna Brown vs the Constitution


THE OVER REACHING GOVERNMENT IS ON TRIAL HERE, AND THE US CONSTITUTION IS AT STAKE.

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Judge Anna Brown vs the Constitution

By Shari Dovale (http://redoubtnews.com/?s=Shari+Dovale)

The week in Portland has certainly been a roller coaster ride. So many ups and downs that it can make a person dizzy.

Ammon Bundy (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/05/ammon-testifies-malheur-protest-trial/) testified this week and he was very genuine and well versed. I can’t help but think that the jury has to have seen his honesty and passion. The best part of his testimony was when he was explaining “adverse possession.” He became a teacher and explained the goals very well. There were a few short clips of videos that showed him teaching this message, as well. Most of the jury paid close attention.

It was interesting to see Ryan address his brother as “Mr. Bundy” but that quickly turned to a more familiar “Brother” as he went through his questioning. This is certainly an unusual trial, as we see one brother representing himself while questioning another brother on the stand defending his own actions. I don’t think I have ever heard of another case like this one.

There is good news on David Fry. I went to see him today and am happy to report that he is finally in a new, and clean, cell. When he

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first went into solitary, David was placed into a cell that had human feces all over it. The outrage from the public was loud and shrill. Well, it had an effect, and that was to move him to a cell in even worse condition. After a few days, however, he was finally moved to a clean cell on a different floor. He is hoping that his time in solitary will be ending soon.

David is looking good today He is very animated and excited to be experiencing this trial. He assured me that, though it is hard to go through, he would absolutely do it again. It was worth it to him to stand up for his beliefs. David, like the other defendants, is an inspiration.

David’s parents came in to Portland to support him. His father testified on his behalf, explaining to the jury how David grew up dealing with racism and bigotry due to his half-Japanese heritage. David never was very political, but he did understand what was right and wrong. I think it resonated with several of the jury members.

Michele Fiore (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/06/michele-testifies-political-prisoners/) is a force of nature. Her testimony was very good with several key points being made. Before getting involved with the protesters at Malheur, she verified with state and local officials that no laws had been broken. She knew all the right questions to ask because she is a lawmaker. She is a sitting Assemblywoman from Nevada.

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This, however, was not good enough for Judge Anna Brown. Trying to make Fiore seem uninformed of the laws did not look good. Brown’s constant cries of how she is the only one that can understand the law in her courtroom are becoming rather tedious. There are some heavy hitters scheduled to testify this week. I am looking forward to the Judge trying to explain this theory to them.

Judge Brown has made no secret of her bias (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/04/judge-anna-brown-drops-mask/). There have been hundreds (yes, hundreds) of objections by the government this week, and probably 99% of them have been sustained by Judge Brown. She doesn’t, generally, ask what the basis of the objections are, or asks the defense if they have a response. She just goes with it.

She has even sustained an objection that the Prosecution never made. I have seen her look up at the prosecution, clear her throat (which seems to get their attention) and all of a sudden they remember to jump up and object. It has actually been humorous watching the circus in there.

Judge Brown has repeatedly ruled that the Constitution cannot be read or quoted in her courtroom. She does not allow the Declaration of Independence either. And, with one exception, no one has offered to affirm “So help me God.” This judge is fighting for Socialist principles, and that is why this trial is so important.

This is a political trial regardless of what the prosecution would have you believe. The mainstream media are trying hard not to cover it, with few exceptions. The left has gotten their foothold and are trying to control the narrative. You will not hear the truth from sources other than alternative media.
The over reaching government is on trial here, and the US Constitution is at stake. We cannot give up our liberties. We cannot rollover and allow our rights to be taken from us.

Read the Constitution.

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[Ares]

Because it is an administrative court the constitution cannot be heard or ruled on. Administrative courts deal in civil rights. United States Citizens have 14th amendment civil rights. The people have unalienable rights.

Considering there are no Article III and Article IV courts, can't the Bundy's challenge the courts jurisdiction to even hear this case? How or who they could present their claim to I'm not sure since there are only 1 or 2 Article III courts left in the country?

[monty]

He and Shawna Cox both have challenged the subject matter jurisdiction because the Malheur headquarters were purchased from a ranch. The jurisdiction was never ceded to the United States. But none of them have challenged the constitutional authority to take jurisdiction.

This judge denied the motions and is bulldozing onward jurisdiction or not.

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/15/experts-weigh-in-on-mnwr-title-and-jurisdiction-issues/

http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1673

http://annavonreitz.com/ammonbundy.pdf

[Ares]

He and Shawna Cox both have challenged the subject matter jurisdiction because the Malheur headquarters were purchased from a ranch. The jurisdiction was never ceded to the United States. But none of them have challenged the constitutional authority to take jurisdiction.

This judge denied the motions and is bulldozing onward jurisdiction or not.

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/15/experts-weigh-in-on-mnwr-title-and-jurisdiction-issues/

http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1673

http://annavonreitz.com/ammonbundy.pdf

That would be expected in an Administrative Court. In an Article III court they would have to hear it I believe. But with only 1 or 2 even existing it's not like the Bundy's have the luxury to file a claim in an Article III court.

[monty]

Niel Wampler's motion in limine to allow evidence of defendant's state of mind

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[monty]

Ammon Bundy's Memorandum re Jury's consideration of addmitted exhibits


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[monty]

Ammon Bundy's objection re jury instructions on gov't. informants

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[monty]

The woman FBI informant testified today. What drives these people to inform on their fellow man?



Kelli Stewart
added 14 new photos (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=193554924381637&id=100011813922844) — with Angie Huntington Bundy and 2 others (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=193554924381637&id=100011813922844#).

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**UPDATED WITH NEW INFO FROM SHERIFF WARDS COUSIN WHO TESTIFIED FOR THE DEFENSE AND MATTHEW DEATHERAGE WHO ADMITTED ON THE STAND HE WANTS JUDGE IMPEACHED.....Ken M on the stand now.

***So far today, Terri Linnell/FBI Informant took the stand and then Angie Bundy and David fry's psychiatrist, shawna cox's Husband and cousin, Vicky Davis and Janalee Tobias. I will not judge Terri for choosing to be a spy against her own American people, but please make no mistake I have nothing to say to her while this trial is still underway because I do not trust her and do not want my words being turned around and used to set me up like she did with Ammon and LaVoy. Her words and lies were very damming imo. They were not going to 'take over another building' and her lies along with Mark's only furthered the fbi's justification of the ambush. Please, to anyone choosing to support her, keep her away from me in Portland and let's pray we hear a Not Guilty verdict when this is all over.

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The defense called Sheriff Dave Ward's cousin to impeach his testimony

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Malheur Protest trial resumed today. Oregon Live report

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/defense_resumes_with_testimony.html


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on October 11, 2016 at 12:51 PM, updated October 11, 2016 at 3:08 PM

Defense resumes with testimony on FBI informant, David Fry's mental eval and 'ugly guns'

The defense case in the Oregon standoff trial continued Tuesday with testimony from a San Diego woman who was paid $3,000 by the FBI to serve as an informant.

Terri Linnell said she received a call from an FBI agent in San Diego asking if she'd be willing to go to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge to report her observations and keep an eye out for any illegal activity occurring there.

"They asked me to just be myself,'' Linnell testified.

She described herself as a longtime protester who had gotten to know an FBI agent in San Diego about six months earlier on an unrelated case.

Linnell said she was asked to report back on six people: Ammon Bundy of Emmett, Idaho, Ryan Bundy of Cedar City, Utah, Ryan Payne of Anaconda, Montana, Blaine Cooper of Dewey-Humboldt, Arizona, Jon Ritzheimer of Peoria, Arizona, and Joseph O'Shaughnessy of Cottonwood, Arizona.

Ammon Bundy led the Jan. 2 armed takeover of the bird sanctuary in eastern Oregon. The Bundy brothers are on trial with five others on a conspiracy charge alleging that they impeded federal workers from doing their jobs at the refuge using force, intimidation or threats. Payne, Cooper, Ritzheimer and O'Shaughnessy all pleaded guilty earlier in the case.

Linnell testified that she cooked and cleaned during her stay from Jan. 12 through Jan. 23 at the refuge. She said she didn't see defendants Neil Wampler, Shawna Cox or David Fry carrying guns and described Cox as serving in an "administrative assistant'' role, not as a leader of the occupation. She said there were no drugs or alcohol there.

Yet Assistant U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Barrow pointed out during cross-examination that Linnell had reported to the FBI on Jan. 14 that she heard talk among people at the refuge about "taking over another federal facility in Burns.''

"What?'' Linnell asked. "What report are you looking at?''

Barrow read from the report again and asked if she also recalled telling the FBI on Jan. 19 that there were children staying at the refuge and that she and others were uncomfortable with that.

"I said it wasn't appropriate. They weren't in school,'' Linnell responded.

Barrow asked if Linnell had reported back to the FBI on Jan. 21 that people at the refuge were carrying rifles while conducting regular patrols?

"Some, not all,'' Linnell said, adding that a few people had "little six shooters.''

"You reported there were sovereigns at the refuge and that caused you concern?'' Barrow asked.
Linnell said she was concerned because she had heard some people saying they could authorize others to become U.S. marshals.

"You reported to the FBI because it was important, right?'' Barrow said.

Linnell responded that the FBI asked her a lot of "irrelevant questions.''

Per C. Olson, defendant David Fry's court-appointed attorney, asked Linnell if she was told to report any illegal activity to the FBI. She said she was.

"Did you see any?'' Olson asked.

"No,'' Linnell replied.

Several different defense lawyers called witnesses Tuesday, the start of the fifth week of the case.
Ryan Bundy, Ammon's older brother who is representing himself, became emotional as he called his wife, Angela Bundy, to the stand. He had to pause for several minutes before he could ask his first question.
"You're my wife, right?'' he asked.

She said she was.

"We've been married just shy of 19 years?'' Bundy asked.

"Shy of 18 years,'' Angela Bundy corrected, drawing laughter.

"Ladies and gentlemen, please,'' U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown said to the courtroom crowd, asking Ryan Bundy to continue.

Ryan Bundy established through his wife that he came to Burns on Jan. 2, a Saturday, with Robert "LaVoy" Finicum, who became the refuge occupation spokesman.

"What were my plans on returning?'' Bundy asked.

"You told me you'd be home Monday, at the latest,'' Angela Bundy said. "I think I packed you one change of clothes.''

His wife testified that she expected and wanted her husband back at home. "Yes, you had duties within the church and duties as my husband and father of our kids,'' she said.

Tiffany Harris, Cox's standby attorney, called Cox's cousin, Sheila Dutton of Hurricane, Utah, and Cox's husband, Donald Cox, of Kanab, Utah, to testify.

Dutton said Shawna Cox picked her up about 6 a.m. on New Year's Day to drive the 12- to 15- hour trip to Burns. She said they attended a protest in support of Harney County ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr. and son Steven Hammond, who were facing a return to federal prison on Jan. 4 to serve a minimum mandatory five-year sentence for setting fire to federal land.

Cox had called Dutton about 9 p.m. the night before, she said, to ask ito accompany her on a trip to Burns. Cox's husband said his wife was reluctant to go because of his poor health but he encouraged her to do so.
"It was only going to be a few days,'' Donald Cox said.

Dutton described the protest in Burns as a "walk around the block'' and said she was with Cox the entire time. Neither attended any planning meeting regarding the refuge takeover, she testified. But Dutton said she did drive out to the refuge with Cox.

She said they thought, "We've driven this many miles ... we might as well see what started this whole thing.''
Dutton left the refuge and went home on Jan. 4. Cox stayed until her arrest Jan. 26.

A forensic psychologist who evaluated defendant David Fry testified that she met with him three times and diagnosed him with schizotypal personality disorder, marked by extreme paranoia and a sense of hopelessness.

She said Fry heard a voice that told him to go to the refuge.

"He felt the voice told him Mr. LaVoy Finicum would not survive this incident and he wanted to meet him,'' said Michelle Guyton, co-owner of Northwest Forensic Institute. "He felt it was giving him a premonition.

That happened just before he came out to Oregon.''

Guyton testified that "there was a clear shift'' in Fry after Finicum was shot and killed by state police on Jan. 26 during a confrontation off the refuge.

Fry's concern that he was going to be harmed and killed intensified and he talked about the "end of times,'' she said.

Others who testified included Janelle Tobias, a gun rights organizer who is part of Women Against Gun Control and an environmental group Safe Open Space. She has a bachelor's degree in communications and public relations from Brigham Young University, she said.

"So you're both a tree hugger and a Second Amendment'' advocate, asked defense lawyer Lisa Maxfield, who represents defendant Neil Wampler.

Tobias said she went to the refuge on Jan. 7 and had a meeting the next day with the Bundy brothers and Finicum. She said she was concerned about the perception people would have from the display of "long guns and ugly guns'' at the refuge.

"When people see long guns and ugly guns they were being perceived as the aggressor,'' Tobias said she told the occupation leaders.

During cross-examination, Barrow asked whether in Tobias' opinion, the world would perceive the occupiers with long guns as threatening or intimidating?

"Yes,'' she said.

But on redirect, Tobias added, "I believe they were there to educate people about the Hammonds and the Constitution and they were not the aggressors at all.''

Another defense witness Vicky Davis, who said she wrote for "Voice of Idaho,'' testified that while visiting the refuge on Jan. 4, she saw a man wearing a U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service uniform get into one of his agency vehicles.

But when asked during cross-examination to describe the uniform, Davis' description was general, saying it looked like a brown "outdoor jacket'' that resembled that of a ranger.

-- Maxine Bernstein
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Kenneth Medenbach testifies that the Bundys are his heroes . . . . . . . .

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/ken_medenbach_testifies_that_t.html

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on October 11, 2016 at 6:55 PM, updated October 11, 2016 at 7:19 PM


Ken Medenbach testifies that the Bundys are his 'heroes,' and he's exactly where he wants to be

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Ken Medenbach, the lone Oregon resident on trial on federal conspiracy charges stemming from the seizure of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, told jurors Tuesday he's exactly where he wants to be, preaching about his views on land rights in a federal courtroom.

He called the Bundys his "heroes'' for the "bold move'' they made in the 2014 standoff with federal officers near patriarch Cliven Bundy's ranch near Bunkerville, Nevada. Medenbach noted that he's been fighting "the same things they were fighting.''

"The federal government doesn't have authority to own land in the states,'' Medenbach said.

And like Ammon Bundy, Medenbach added, "I've been called by a higher power to do what I'm doing.''

Medenbach, 63, has pleaded not guilty to conspiring to use threats, intimidation or force to prevent federal employees from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife and U.S. Bureau of Land Management employees from doing their work during the occupation of the federal bird sanctuary in eastern Oregon.

He's also pleaded not guilty to theft of government property: a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service pickup truck that he admitted on the stand to driving to pick up groceries at the Safeway in Burns on Jan. 15, before his arrest.

"It didn't matter to me being arrested because I'm where I want to be right now,'' Medenbach said. "I've been waiting 21 years to be where I'm at right now.''
His standby counsel Matthew Schindler led Medenbach through his long history of challenging the government's control of land, starting with his 1988 construction of some cabins and an outhouse on five acres of land he bought for $700 northeast of Crescent City, without obtaining any permits from Klamath County.

He continued through the mid-1990s, erecting cabins on what he called "alleged BLM land,'' and ignoring notices from the federal agency to remove them. He said he tried to stake claim through adverse possession to a parcel of U.S. Forest Service land in the Gifford Pinchot National Forest in southern Washington in 1996 by putting up a small cabin on the property.

Responding to questions from his defense lawyer, Medenbach pointed out that the federal and county agencies usually took civil action against him for his land protests.

Medenbach said he went to Burns on Dec. 30, planning to participate in the Jan. 2 rally in support of Harney County ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr. and Steven Hammond, who were set to return to federal prison on Jan. 4 to complete a minimum mandatory sentence of five years for setting fire to federal land.

Taking over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, he said, was an extension of his years of protests against federal government overreach. It didn't matter to him that he was on pretrial release from federal court in Medford, with a condition that he stay off federal lands, he said.

"I knew there'd be like-minded people there, and I knew I'd get along with them,'' he said.

He acknowledged he ordered "Closed Permanently'' signs from a company in Burns, and put them over the front sign and door of the federal Bureau of Land Management district office in Hines. He also ordered "Harney County Resource Center'' signs to replace the refuge signs.

Why? "To let the local community know they're going to be getting their land back pretty soon,'' he said.

He changed the decals on U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service trucks at the refuge, helped drive heavy refuge equipment over to a fence that other occupiers cut down and drove a government pickup truck to the Safeway in Burns to get groceries when state police arrested him.

"Did you believe at any time the refuge was yours?'' Schindler asked.

"No,'' Medenbach said.

"It was all about giving the land back to the people of Harney County,'' he added later.

When Medenbach watched Oregon Congressman Greg Walden's address on the floor of the House about the refuge takeover, Medenbach testified, "I started crying.''

During cross-examination, Assistant U.S. Attorney Craig Gabriel pointed out that Medenbach since 1988 has lost all his motions in court.

Gabriel further noted that the federal judge who handled Medenbach's most recent trial in Eugene in which he was convicted of illegally camping on federal property ruled that a person may not claim title to federal government land by the principle of adverse possession.

"That's just his opinion. He doesn't have the power to interpret the Constitution,'' Medenbach responded from the witness stand.

Gabriel questioned Medenbach further. "You knew federal employees worked'' at the refuge, correct?

"Yes,'' Medenbach answered.

Gabriel showed jurors one of Medenbach's Facebook posts in January, in which he shared a photo of the new signs he had installed at the refuge that read. The post read, "224 years of federal government oppression. Might makes right, until the Bundy stand, now with 200 militia at the Harney County Resource Center and 2000 more if the FBI moves in, might makes right.''

Medenbach called his post a "poor choice of words,'' and said no harm was intended.

'I've been waiting 21 years to be where I'm at right now.' -Medenbach

The prosecutor pointed out that Medenbach's past demonstrations occurred on "empty land,'' that unlike the refuge, had no government buildings, no offices, no vehicles and no employees using the property at the time.

Defense Calls Cousin of Harney County Sheriff

Earlier Tuesday, one of Ammon Bundy's defense lawyers called a cousin of Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward in an attempt to impeach the sheriff's earlier testimony.

Rodney Glen Cooper, of Veneta, Oregon, testified that he visited the sheriff twice in January "to find out what is going on out there.'' Ward's grandmother and Cooper's father are siblings, he told The Oregonian/OregonLive after court.

On his first visit with Ward on Jan. 18, he said he inquired about the concept of being a "constitutional sheriff.'' After that visit, Cooper said he visited the refuge, and met Ryan Bundy.

During a second visit with Ward, Cooper said the sheriff shared with him his feelings about Ammon Bundy and Ryan Bundy.

Cooper characterized Ward's position like this: "He said he was about 90 percent with what they were doing, and if they could have been on different circumstances, they could have been good friends.''

"On Jan. 25, did Sheriff Ward tell you he did not feel threatened by the Bundys?'' defense attorney J. Morgan Philpot asked.
"Yes, he did,'' Cooper answered.

Ward had previously testified during the government's case that Ammon Bundy had made repeated ultimatums to him that if he didn't prevent the Hammond ranchers from returning to federal prison, there would be extreme civil unrest in his county.

Cooper said on the stand he had two burning questions for his cousin when he traveled to Burns, but a prosecutor objected, and the judge sustained the objection.

After he left the stand, Cooper told The Oregonian/OregonLive that his questions to Sheriff Ward were these: "If you were 90 percent with the protesters, what was the 10 percent that kept you from supporting their cause?'' and "Did you ever contact (Texas) Gov. Greg Abbott?''

Abbott had supported Cliven Bundy's standoff with federal land management officers in Nevada when he was then Texas attorney general.

In other testimony Tuesday, Coos Bay resident Matthew Deatherage, who had sat in on trial testimony for at least three days, was called by the defense to testify about his time at the refuge. During direct testimony, he said he arrived Jan. 16, was at the boat launch when "target practice'' occurred and participated in Delta squad.

"Honestly, it was the first time I ever felt community,'' Deatherage testified.

On cross-examination, Deatherage maintained he simply served as a "gatekeeper,'' at the refuge but a prosecutor wasn't about to accept that.
"You sat at the front gate with a gun?'' Assistant U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Barrow pointed out.

"You sat at the back gate with a gun, and you were in the tower with a gun?'' Barrow continued.

"Rarely, did I have a gun,'' Deatherage responded.

Barrow then introduced a zinger: Isn't it true, he asked, that Deatherage posted a petition recently on charge.org to impeach Judge Brown?

"That's my duty as an American citizen,'' Deatherage said, seated in the witness stand beside the judge.

"Because you alleged she's unfit to be a federal judge?'' Barrow asked.

Schindler and defendant Ryan Bundy objected to the line of questioning, citing relevance.

"It has to do with his bias,'' Barrow explained. The judge overruled the objections.

"I've seen an obvious bias towards the defense...utter disrespect towards them,'' Deatherage testified, noting that the judge prevented defendant Ryan Bundy from handing out pocket Constitutions to jurors.

The judge simply took notes and didn't show any response. The defense could rest as early as Thursday or Friday.

-- Maxine Bernstein
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John Lamb with a short 2 minute video report Maheur Protest trial Oct. 11



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Shari Dovale Redoubt News "Excitement in the Courtroom - Malheur 7. Oct. 11

http://oregon.redoubtnews.com/2016/10/11/excitement-courtroom-malheur-7/

Excitement in the Courtroom – Malheur 7


THE PROSECUTION WILL BE PRESENTING A REBUTTAL CASE WHEN THE DEFENSE RESTS.

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Excitement in the Courtroom – Malheur 7

by Shari Dovale (http://redoubtnews.com/?s=Shari+Dovale)

Quite a bit of excitement in court today. It began with Judge Anna Brown getting upset with Marcus Mumford, Ammon Bundy’s attorney, for being the last one inside the courtroom this morning. He was not very far behind everyone else, however, Judge Brown decided to threaten him with fines if he was late in the future.

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Judge Anna Brown, Photo: OregonLive

Though testimony had been offered to the jury concerning two guys describing themselves as ‘Navy Seals’ and possibly doing damage to the Malheur Refuge, Judge Brown has ruled that no one else can testify about them because it is ‘irrelevant.’

Another ruling that Judge Brown (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/09/judge-anna-brown-vs-constitution/) ruled poorly on was concerning Governor Kate Brown. She stated that the prosecution can stipulate that Gov. Brown received the written “Redress of Grievances” and did not respond to it, but, she will not allow anyone to testify why she did not respond. She claims that the reasons for her non-response are outside the scope of this trial.
The fact is, the reason she did not respond is exactly On Point. The Governor made a statement on January 20th that included, “They asked state officials, including me, to limit responses.” Ammon also testified (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/05/ammon-testifies-malheur-protest-trial/) that the only reason they considered alternate ideas, including taking a hard stand at the Refuge, was solely because they were not getting responses. The FBI was controlling the narrative and pushing the protesters into reactions.

Some of the witnesses today included Dr. Michelle Guyton, a forensic psychologist, discussing her diagnosis of David Fry. She met with him on at least three occasions and diagnosed him with schizotypal personality disorder (http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/schizotypal-personality-disorder/home/ovc-20198939). She testified that David does not suffer from delusions, however, he did have a premonition that LaVoy Finicum would not survive this protest and David wanted to meet him before anything happened.

Terri Linnell, whom those at the refuge knew as “Momma Bear” testified today. She admitted to being a paid informant for the FBI, in which she was paid $3,000 plus expenses to go to the refuge and report on several people plus any illegal activities. She was very clear that she saw nothing illegal and the FBI could not use any information that she gave them.
Linnell also testified that Shawna Cox did not act in a manner of leadership, merely as an “administrative assistant” keeping things organized. She was asked about reporting on children being at the Refuge during cross examination. Linnell stated that she was concerned because they were not at school.

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Terri Linnell outside the Hatfield Federal Courthouse, Portland. Photo: Redoubt News

The prosecution also tried to infer things such as reports that “Sovereigns” were at the refuge. Linnell testified that she was concerned about them wanting to authorize others to become U.S. marshals. The prosecution also said that she reported that she heard people at the refuge taking over another federal facility in Burns. Linnell was confused and said she didn’t know what report they were talking about.

Angela Bundy, Ryan’s wife, took the stand next. Ryan was very choked up and needed a few minutes to compose himself before questioning her. There was a moment of levity for the entire courtroom, including the jury, when Ryan asked Angie if they had been married just shy of 19 years. “Just shy of 18 years” she responded. The laughter that ensued was too much for Judge Brown, “Ladies and Gentlemen, please.”

Angie made it clear that Ryan had not intended to stay later than Monday, January 4th when he came to Burns. She stated that she packed just one change of clothes for him and he had no winter gear. However, Ryan did go home to visit in the middle of January. He was free to come and go, just like everyone else.

Vicky Davis testified about a visit she made to Malheur in which she saw a Refuge employee on site talking with protesters and getting into a US Fish and Wildlife vehicle.

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Ryan Bundy

Sheila Dutton, cousin to Shawna Cox, testified to accompanying Shawna to the refuge for the rally, which she called a “walk around the block.” She was clear that Shawna had planned to be home the next day in time for church services.

Janna Lee Tobias was describes as a “Tree Hugger and 2ndAmendment advocate” by Lisa Maxwell, Neil Wampler’s attorney. Tobias testified that she traveled to the refuge to discuss with Ammon the perception of “Ugly Guns” being aggressive. She suggested those at the refuge keep them out of pubic view.

A most interesting witness was Rodney Cooper. Cooper is Sheriff David Ward’s (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/14/sheriff-ward-testifies-malheur-trial/) cousin. He went to Burns specifically to talk to his cousin about being a ‘Constitutional Sheriff.’ He reported that, due to the barricades around the courthouse, he had trouble getting into see Ward.

However, when he did talk to him, Ward was very clear that he never felt threatened by Ammon Bundy or anyone else. Ward told Cooper that he agreed with about 90% of what the Bundy’s were doing and, under other circumstances, he could have been friends with Ammon.

Matthew Deatherage, of Coos Bay, OR, testified on the time he spent at the Refuge. He viewed the Hammonds as “neighbors in need” and described them as being violated by the government. He came to Burns after seeing a video of Ammon saying “Leave your guns at home” and come make a stand.

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Kenneth Medenbach
The prosecution (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/10/malheur-7-examining-prosecution-evidence/) tried to attack Deatherage on cross examination, and Judge Brown let most of it through. All the objections were overruled. The prosecution was most interested in a petition that Matthew had started this week on change.org, attempting to gain support for an impeachment of Judge Anna Brown (https://www.change.org/p/u-s-house-of-representatives-impeach-judge-anna-j-brown). Deatherage stood his ground and complained of her bias (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/07/brown-light-favorable-government/) against the defense and how the Constitution was banned in her courtroom.

This brought a hailstorm of comments throughout the afternoon, including from Ryan Bundy complaining to Judge Brown how she is not allowing the truth to be presented to the jury. “Our very lives are on the line here,” Ryan said. “The truth is being blocked!”

When Ryan stated that “The scales of justice are not balanced” Judge Brown came back with “I’m sorry you don’t agree with the ruling. It is what it is.”

Kenneth Medenbach (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/08/judge-brown-fashion-advice-medenbach/) testified later to his decades-long activism against the Federal land grab. Medenbach got in several details about various aspects, including how the Supreme Court has misinterpreted the property clause in the Constitution. Judge Brown finally had to state to his attorney, Matthew Schindler, that under Rule 403, “I am directing you to avoid this much detail.”

Medenbach made powerful statements on the stand, including “Like the Bundy’s, I have been called by a higher power to do what I am doing.” He also explained of how the Constitution is being ‘perverted by the courts.’

Overall, Kenneth got more information to the jury than anyone expected. I attribute this to the testimony of Matthew Deatherage, and his calling out the Judge for her bias. Happening just before Medenbach took the stand, I think Brown was not on her game and let a few more things slip past her.

All the better for the defense, but the prosecution has now determined they will be presenting a rebuttal case when the defense rests.


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Michele Fiore Testifies for Political Prisoners (http://oregon.redoubtnews.com/2016/10/06/michele-testifies-political-prisoners/)October 6, 2016In "DOJ"
Judge Brown, "In a Light Most Favorable to the Government" (http://oregon.redoubtnews.com/2016/10/07/brown-light-favorable-government/)October 7, 2016In "BLM"

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This tweet from Maxine Berstein has information regarding the prosecutions planned rebutal. They intend to have Steve Grasty testify about refuge employee fears. In my opinion that would be the fear he and Dave Ward deliberately instilled in the residents of Burns. I think Chris Briels could attest to that.

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Rangefire Todd Macfarlane

DAY 17 Tuesday, October 11, 2016

The trial schedule this week is a little strange. Normally, the trial week is Monday through Thursday. But this week, with Columbus Day, which is a federal holiday, there was no court on Monday. Likewise, there will be no court on Wednesday because of the Jewish Holiday, Yom Kippur, which starts at sundown on Tuesday, October 11, and ends at sundown on Wednesday, October 12. Attorney Mathew Shindler, who represents Defendant Kenneth Medenbach, brought this to the court's attention.

Otherwise, Tuesday was a whirlwind day in the trial, with some 13 witnesses taking the stand, many for just minutes. But there were several key witnesses. One was the FBI's paid informant, Terry Linnell. She testified that the FBI hired and paid her to go the Refuge, and just be herself to fit in. She cooked and cleaned, and did her best to fit in, but she testified she didn't observe any illegal activities. This is a link to Terri Linnell’s full story. terri-linnell-story (http://rangefire.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Terri-Linnell-Story.pdf)


Another witness that seemed to take some wind out of the court's sails was Mathew Deadredge. On cross-examination, the prosecution asked him if it wasn't true that he had posted an on-line petition to impeach Judge Brown. On redirect examination, he said it was because of the obvious corruption, bias, and the fact that Judge Brown would not allow any discussion of the constitution during the trial. According to multuple observers, Judge Brown seemed very uncomfortable to be called-out so straight-forwardly.

The spouses of Defendants Ryan Bundy and Shawna Cox testified that when Ryan and Shawna had left home to go to Burns for the Hammond Protest Rally, there were no plans or discussions about occupying the refuge. They testified that both Ryan and Shawna were planning to go straight up and back, and barely took an extra change of clothes. They were both planning on one day travel to get there. One day there, and one day back. Angie Bundy testified that Ryan told her he would be back on Monday (January 4th) at the latest. This testimony was introduced to counter the Government's theory that there was some grand conspiracy.

Witness testimony wrapped up with Defendant Kenneth Medenbach testifying. He testified that he felt common cause with the issues Bundys were trying to address at the Refuge, and felt prompted to go there.

Otherwise, a psychologist also testified about David Fry, and testified that while he was still in Ohio, he had experienced a premonition that LaVoy Finicum would be killed, and he wanted to meet him before he died. She also testified that after Finicum was killed, Fry experienced a great bout of depression and hopelessness and went through a very dark time. For an in-depth profile on David Fry, and how such an unlikely person became the last hold-out at the Refuge, check-out this article about Fry in Outside Magazine (http://www.outsideonline.com/2122591/david-fry-malheur-holdout).


For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/), Bundy Court Sketches on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/bundycourtsketch/), John Lamb on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/john.lamb.16121?fref=ts), Gary Hunt at Outpost for Freedom (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/) and Redoubt News (http://redoubtnews.com/).

At RANGEFIRE! we believe in the need for alternative voices to mainstream media commentary and coverage of these issues.
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Malheur Protest witness: "impeach Judge Anna Brown"

This is a very revealing video. Jake Morphonios's relates his experiences with being harrassed by the FBI while attending LaVoy Finicum's funeral. That is when he met Matt Deatherage.



http://youtu.be/-XDzTaAkph0

https://youtu.be/-XDzTaAkph0

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Mark McConnell and Melvin Lee, traitors to their fellow men. I wonder if this Melvin Lee is from the Southern Nevada Lee family?

Mark West, The answer to your question: they are cowards and informants, the lowest form of humanity.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=299608477092566&set=gm.602750543183606&type=3&theater

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John Lamb's video report of the Oct. 11 afternoon session of the Malheur Protest trial


http://youtu.be/qBqRAQ-noig

https://youtu.be/qBqRAQ-noig

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Outpost of Freedom posted Teri "Mama Bear" Linnell's letter

http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1707

Burns Chronicles No 32 – Terri Linnell (Mama Bear)

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Gary Hunt
Outpost of Freedom
October 12, 2016

{October 6, 2015}

On Friday, September 30, 2016, I received a phone call from someone I had spoken with before. This call, however, brought to light the extent of the government’s efforts, often misguided, to do what the country used only to do to foreign nations and enemies. Now, it has become a modern practice of government to pay people to infiltrate and inform. It works even better when infiltration is not necessary, as that person is already considered a member of the community that is the target of the spying. Now, that is a rather harsh word, but the tactics of government can be considered nothing less than any other form of spying, throughout the ages.

Nowadays, they have access to almost all electronic media, where the can grab phone conversations, emails, Facebook pages, and any other internet communications. They have parabolic microphones that can listen to conversations from over 100 yards away. They have bugs, electronic listening devices that require no wiring and have a battery life of days, weeks, or even months.

They still, however, want someone who can testify, when necessary, and gather information that is not random, as with other methods, but can be directed, by asking questions. And, this is about one of those human resources, aka “CI” or confidential informant.

That phone call and some email correspondence eventually resulted in a quasi-affidavit as to the role that this person played in the recent events of Burns, Oregon.

Now, don’t jump to conclusions. It is rather ironic that the government subsidized a patriot’s trip to Burns to cook for the very people that were to be spied upon. All expenses were paid, and at the conclusion; a cash windfall was also provided.

But, let’s hear the story from the other party in that phone call. This is her story:
* * * * * * * * * * * * *

To Whom It May Concern:

I, Terri R. Linnell, aka Momma Bear, swear and affirm everything here is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Now many of you think I’m a fed, or informant, or whatever because of rumors created by Jaime M. Hawley, aka Jaime Spears Aldazabal (https://www.facebook.com/jaime.aldazabal?hc_location=ufi) in 2014. That’s simply not true, but those rumors later did give me the ability to take advantage of a unique opportunity, which I did do.

In March of 2015, a year later, I had 2 officers, stating they were US Marshalls, come to my house to ask me questions about Jack Farrell of one of the Carolina’s, whom I had met at a protest in DC in May of 2014. He was a young man who was very impulsive. In December of 2014 he had shot two people in the back of the head and stolen their car to see his girlfriend in another state. I know of nobody who felt his actions were in anyway acceptable, so I sat down with these officers. Eventually the topic led to the real reason they were there… the militia. Specifically, the militia he belonged to. They read me a list of names, of which I knew none, except one. I suspected the one was a test question for honesty, so I admitted to knowing Manny Vega and explained everyone knows him. If you’ve been to DC to protest, he’s there. I later called Manny and told him. The one US Marshal told me he was a local Detective, and double badged.

Later in the summer of 2015 I started meeting with the Detective, and one woman of the FBI, I will call ‘Martha’, who turned out to actually be the local Domestic Terrorism Team in San Diego. I saw both their badges on that first meeting and both worked on the team as a Joint Task Force. Since then I’ve met several times with the woman and she always brings a second person, but that person differs from meeting to meeting. The Detective is no longer at any meetings. Only the first few he was there. We have a regular meeting spot in a shopping center.

They track local groups, such as Militia, Oathkeepers, III%, Sovereign Citizens, Black Lives Matter, Occupy, KKK, as part of their jobs. I was asked to go to OathKeeper meetings and report back my thoughts on their leader. I did so. I reported he was very nice. A leader who clearly did not have any nefarious intentions. I never once saw him break the law, or attempt to do so. It wasn’t his style. The group was quite small, and nobody was what is called a sovereign citizen.

A III% group opened up in our area and I joined. I worked my way up to potentially the leader. When I told the DT Team I was up for nomination, they told me I couldn’t lead it and still work with them. It would create a conflict of interest if anything were to go to court, or if anything went wrong with any of the members they would be held responsible with me as a leader. At that point my decision was to lead if I was asked, and break it off with the DT Team. I was not nominated, so I continued working with the DT team. Why do you ask would I have taken the position? To get a good group of people started in the right direction and find a leader once the group was established to take over.

On January 2, 2016, Ammon Bundy had moved his protest to the Refuge. I notified ‘Martha’, but that’s all. She asked me to follow it. I sent her public articles.

I wanted to go so bad. I was very sick and had barely not been hospitalized. My doctor said on Friday if I hadn’t seen him when I did, it would have been full pneumonia by the end of the weekend. Then my son had totaled my car. My husband was putting in a new tranny in a car we had just bought. Between Christmas, the doctor bills, and the car, we were flat broke. God just was stopping me dead in my tracks. Ugh.

Later ‘Martha’ told me they were considering sending me to the compound, which is what she called the Refuge in Oregon. By then I had a running car and I was well. I jumped at the chance. Finally, God was letting me go! By this time, I was hearing reports from the movement that it was a no fly zone, and that all 911 services were removed from the area, including to the neighboring ranchers. I did not get this verified with ‘Martha’. I can’t recall if I even asked her.

On the day before I left, a Monday, January 11, 2016, I met with ‘Martha’ for a situation type update and a briefing on the rules, etc. She gave me $1000 cash for the trip. I was to keep receipts. I was allowed up to $80 a day for a hotel. Food expenses were so lavish, I don’t even remember the amount it was so ridiculous.

The situation on the ground according to ‘Martha’ was they were very concerned there was a bad influence on Ammon Bundy. Their attempts to get any informants into the compound failed. She was very concerned if I stayed at the compound I’d be found out. She was also concerned for my safety. I assured her I would have no problem. She eventually was ok with me going to the refuge, but I know she was very worried for me. ‘Martha’ also told me not to carry a gun there. Absolutely not. Although I always carry at a protest, I conceded and went along with it, but we did compromise to let me travel with my gun, since I was a woman driving there alone. I should point out, I drive, not fly. I travel alone most of the time and I am not comfortable without my car. I prefer to arrive and leave when I choose, and not be reliant on others.

I woke up in the dark the next morning on the 12th and started my drive. When I stopped for a rest I would call ‘Martha’ and tell her where I was. Many of the miles I couldn’t even get my Pandora to work the cell reception was so horrible. I remember seeing a sign saying not to use cellular devices in such a remote location I could see no houses and had no reception. What a waste of a sign. I went through California, then Nevada, and dropped into Oregon.

Once I hit Oregon on the 78 West, I was pulled over by a State Trooper. The first thing she told me was everything was being recorded and pointed to her body cam. I was going 75. She told me the speed limit was 55. I was honestly surprised, because I try my best to read all the signs, especially those when I enter a new state. That’s often times when speed limits change. Somehow I had missed it, I guess. She let me off with a warning and told me basically the whole state was 55. I immediately set my cruise control for 55 when I returned to speed. (Pls note the speed limit said 65 on the photo of Devine Pass) I then hit my next turn, the 205. Google maps told me to take a right. I did, even though I saw a previous sign saying the refuge was to make a left. The 205 ended up turning into the 395, called the Devine Pass. It was drop dead beautiful there. Well named, because it did look like God had truly touched the earth. Windy roads, tall pine trees, and beautiful rock formations jutting out on the steep cliffs. I never knew those type of formations were in any other state besides Utah. As the sun set it started to snow. This was only my second time ever driving in the snow. My first time was many years ago in Pennsylvania when I was 16 and my dad was sitting next to me, teaching me what to look for in snowy conditions. As the snow got thicker on the road I kept going slower and slower. It was pitch dark. I was down to about 20 mph, white knuckling it, almost sweating, when a car zoomed past me. The snow blew away! Well, I then realized it was what they call powder and increased my speed.

This is about the time I realized I was lost. I was supposed to have been there by now. Once I got out of the pass and saw signs of life, I found a man driving a snow plow. He told me he didn’t know where the refuge was, but thought it was maybe the back in which I had come. Ugh. I called into the refuge for directions, because I did know the phone number of one person there. Reception was still very spotty. As I was driving back down through Devine Pass, I asked the woman to text me the directions, because I would receive the texts when I got reception. This helped a lot and I finally made it there. I had been about 50 or so miles in the other direction. I was on empty, but knew if I needed gas, there would be some at the protest site and wasn’t worried. Large protests like these get plenty of supplies with each person bringing extra of what they have for others. I met those in the chow hall and was assigned a bunk. There was one other man in my room, and a couple. I was almost immediately told there was a real Judge and two US Marshals also staying at the protest. I was curious about that, but would figure it all out later.

The next day, the 13th, I found out there was a gas station only 6 miles away. I got a list of what was needed for the Chow Hall and left. I stopped for gas and then went into the town of Burns. For a town with only a few thousand people, it was much larger than I expected. I live in a town 5 times that size and still only have one main street for all the shopping. I suspect I was followed there by the ‘Judge’. Once his truck left, I called ‘Martha’ to tell her I arrived safely. Then I got the groceries and supplies needed. I spent about $150.

On one of these beginning days, one of the local ranchers did a big barbeque for us with all the fixings. I talked with him, thanking him. He had butchered a pig for us, and smoked it at home. We had a large spread of delicious cole slaw (which is the first time I ever liked cole slaw), smoked pig, and numerous other delicious foods. Everyone was there along with some other ranchers. We probably had a good 80 people come and go.

The 14th I went to town again, with Deb and Corey. Deb and I picked up a tail at the grocery store. There was only one in town. Corey was in the store with us and told us to hurry up, that we were being watched. I looked around and did see a man in a suit watching us. By the time we got out to the parking lot, a police car drove by while we were unloading groceries. We got in the car to go to Deb’s bank. The police car must have doubled back on us, because he was behind us before we got to the bank. He turned on his lights. I pulled over in the bank parking lot. Deb went to the bank, while I got out of my car and dealt with the police. Corey stayed in the car. The officer said my tail light was out. I was again surprised. He didn’t write me a ticket, he just asked me what I was in town for, where I was staying, etc. I was surprised at the question, so he said they were trying to pay attention to who was where because of all the hubbub. I told him I was staying with friends in town, that I came because of all the news, but I didn’t know what the address was I was staying at. By then Deb was out of the bank, talking with the other officer. I walked up to Deb and asked her if we had our friends address in town. She said she didn’t know either. Then I walked back to the officer who I was talking to and we struck up small talk. He said he had come from nine hours away, and pointed towards his truck. I said wow, that must be hard on your department to handle things at home with so many officers away. We all wrapped up the convos and I drove back to the protest. I do not know what would have happened if we had said we were part of the protest, but I do think at a minimum we would have been brought in for questioning, so did Corey and Deb.

That night Melissa told me Jaime Hawley was coming the next day. I was furious. She’s a gossip queen and has no business at a protest like this. Please realize, gossip is a sin worthy enough for the Bible, and I’ve come to find out personally from Jaime how sinister it is when she accused me of being a fed two years previous. Jaime is the type of person who thrives on discord, and if a situation were ever to occur, she’d be standing in the middle of it, crying like a toddler, lost and frozen, only thinking of herself, not able to take a direction from anyone… and I bet my bottom dollar she’d be at the bottom of the gossip, covered in a nest of lies and half truths. She always has food for everyone, pays for campsites, her own cabin, etc. Jaime also keeps in constant contact with the protester she’s going to meet up with during her drive. In this case, it was Melissa Cooper.

On Friday the 15th , (I thought it was Saturday, but arrest records say it was Friday) Melissa Cooper and a couple others went into town. She kept telling me how great it was because they sent the stickers for the trucks to the refuge, so they could drive them on the road. I was in the chow hall when the call came in that Ken had been arrested for driving the truck. The other man was safe, but needed picked up. It got real hectic quick. I said I would go get him, and grabbed my stuff. The guys didn’t want me taking anyone with them, because they worried their militia gear would not look good. I grabbed a media person, Jon, and left. He thought for sure he’d be arrested. I said no, it’s just a retrieval, we’ll be fine. Please note, I was not immune from the law. If I did something wrong, I would have been arrested, ticketed, etc. I was required to follow the law. If I did get picked up for any reason, I was to just give them my name and keep my mouth shut. The FBI would at some point see my name, and take care of it. I’m still scratching my head over the fact that I could have been picked up merely for going to a protest, but that was the atmosphere.

Jaime arrived late that afternoon. Kricket had driven Jaime from Vegas, and apparently Jaime flew from FL to Vegas to meet up with Kricket. Everyone knew how I felt, so when I confronted Jaime on the lies and gossip she’s said against me, and told her to leave, she was ushered into the Coopers room. She did not come out until Blaine came out, yelling, obviously upset, and told us that his kids were taken by CPS. They were supposed to be coming for a visit to see their parents that weekend. Jaime was standing behind Blaine, sniffling, with tears in her eyes.

When I went out by the fire after dinner, several of the guys said to me I was right… the drama came with Jaime, just as I’d predicted. The next day Jaime came out to fill her plate with breakfast, and she and Kricket left at around 11 am. I heard they stayed in a hotel in Burns and did not return to Vegas, where Kricket lived.

Continued . . . . .

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Continuation:

Pretty quick I figured out the ‘Judge’ knew the Bible better than the law and that it was the judge causing the commotion ‘Martha’ was concerned about. I did not believe he was a real judge. He had two men with him, the ‘US Marshals’. One seemed very well trained. I attempted small talk with him. His name was Marshall Smitty I think. I asked him where he got his training and he said no place. I told him I was surprised, because he reminded me of how the Navy Seals at the Amphib base acted with how he carried himself. The other guy with him laughed and said to him I called it well. Smitty said thank you to me. I walked away. Another time in the kitchen I heard the ‘Judge’ say he wasn’t a US citizen. I was about 10 feet away, and replied loudly, “I’m a proud United States citizen and I feel that only a United States citizen should be able to take the Oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic.” After that, the crowd around ‘Judge Bruce’ was a lot smaller. That night he offered to swear in anyone who wanted to be a US Marshal the next day. As far as I know, not one person did.

To give an idea of what it was like, we had many people coming and going, bringing food and supplies, wood, clothing, boots, mattresses, blankets, sleeping bags, and anything else we needed. Often times they travelled a long way to see us. Sometimes they arranged to stay in town, other times they would bunk with us. Local ranchers, business and home owners would come from neighboring counties, some to bring us stuff, others begging for our help where they are, too. This put a lot of pressure on Ammon to help them. We also had a plane that looked like a little Cessna, always flying during the day. I think the guys tracked it at four loops, then refuel.

The weekends were typically very busy. Many people would come in support when they weren’t at work. At this time we had plenty of help in the kitchen, unloading and organizing supplies, taking watches, etc. Please realize, I’ve been to a lot of protests over the years. Typically, the police protect the protesters and anti-protesters. It’s very normal to see guns at protests, or where the protesters stay. The police have them. The protesters travel with them. Normally, the police are very careful to keep the two groups separate, protesters and anti-protesters. In the protests where we’ve had our own ‘security’, their job is to alleviate the police’s duties, such as helping stop traffic during marches, providing medical aid, etc, so the police don’t need so many officers and can continue their regular duties. This is especially important in larger protests. This is the first protest where there was no police protection. This naturally added to the duties of our ‘security’.

About every other day two men would come to the chow hall as anti-protesters. The first time I talked with the tall one, and he seemed in agreement about federal land needing to be more locally run. I was surprised when he returned the second time. That time the other guy, an older man, held a sign saying “Keep our land public”. I said to the older man, in front of the press, “It’s not a King’s forest.” He looked at me with a twinkle in his eye, like he agreed. I went in and got some peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and offered it around to everyone. When I offered it to the guy holding the sign, he again looked at me with surprise and had a twinkle in his eye. It was like we had a secret game, move and counter move. When I offered it to the tall guy, he took one. (The tall guy later ended up being called out by Santilli for being at the airport where the feds were set up)

I called in to ‘Martha’ almost every day. Usually I just stood outside the chow hall and chatted with her. Every time I was asked about 5 or so individuals. Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Jon Ritzheimer, Blaine Cooper, Ryan Payne and Pete Santilli. I was asked about Joe O’Shaughnessy, but I explained he wasn’t there, that I heard he was staying in town. I was also asked about where the weapons were kept. I explained there was no stash, no warehouse, it was just people’s personal weapons. I also said all weapons were legal that I saw.

Now realize, ‘Martha’ told me things, too. The weekend before I left she told me the FBI knew Ammon was not at the refuge. She told me they had someone closer than me there, too. (This was before I saw McConnell there. I’m positive there’s another informant.) She asked me if Ammon was going to return. I said I’d heard Ammon’s family was coming, and that I’m sure he’d be back.

Well, back to the subject. On Thursday, January 21st , Melissa Cooper asked me if I knew where the sign in book was. I said I hadn’t seen it. She said she noticed it missing the day before, on the 20th . On Friday at dinner I asked Melissa about the book, and she said it never turned up. I then told Ammon the sign in book was missing. I know this sounds like something mute, but wait for it…

Freaky Friday. Yes, I’ve got to talk about freaky Friday. First, let me tell you about an incident that happened either Thursday morning or Friday morning. The press was there. We were opening mail to put in the burn barrel. One box was a box of shit with maggots crawling around. We threw it in the barrel, but unlike the norm, we did not stand around the barrel for warmth. Who wanted to stand around burning shit? I went inside. Then I heard a shot fired, very loud. I went back outside. It turned out to be someone had shit on ammo and mailed it. One of the members of the press really was very interested in the negative mail. Ryan Bundy asked him to specifically not print it, because it would cause more mail like that. The guy seemed undeterred. I walked up to him a few minutes later, and told him if he printed that story about the box of shit with ammo, that yes, he had freedom of press, but not to the point to make a situation dangerous. I told him flat out, looked him straight in the eye, if I found he printed that he would have to deal with me. (I found out later he heeded my warning. It was not printed.)

I called ‘Martha’ about this. I was very upset anyone was put in danger. She seemed uninterested, even after I pointed out mailing ammo in the US mail was a felony. She didn’t know it was a felony. That day on the whole was eerily quiet. There was no plane flying. Things seemed ‘off’. After dark, then we heard it. I was in the kitchen doing dishes when it flew by so low, so loud, I ducked. I ran outside, wondering if it had landed or something. The guys were all animated too, saying they thought it was a drone, because it had a big light on the bottom of it, pointing straight down. After that we did hear the Cessna… without running lights. The moon was almost full, I could see the plane, but no lights. It did the typical laps, just like it was daytime.

The next day was awesome. We had a huge Harney County Resource Center grand day opening. A lot more protesters showed up, and we escorted them to the opening ceremony.

I left that night. I told everyone I would be back in a week, that my daughter was flying into town from Utah. The guard at the gate said I will be missed. I didn’t know who he was because he had a ski mask on, it was so cold out there. I stopped somewhere out in the middle of nowhere, because there was a sign that said next gas station was 82 miles. Whatever gas station was nearby, I couldn’t find. It opened the next morning at 9 am. Town with a population of 14. I arrived home that night. Sunday the 24th .

Tuesday the 26th of January is a day I will never forget. I was sitting on my mom’s blue couch visiting with them. My daughter was in the chair across from me. My cell phone rang and I answered it. It was about 4:30 pm. My friend said twitter was blowing up, Ammon was arrested, someone was shot or dead. That was the initial story. I immediately called Deb at the refuge. I later texted her Lavoy was dead. I called again around 7 pm. She said it was calm there. They’re serving dinner. I called some friends in San Diego, to see if they were going to help get the people at the refuge out. They said there was a conference call in the morning to determine what to do. There was a primary contact in Burns who would be on the call. The next day I found out everyone was told to ‘stand by’. Nothing would be done.

I met with ‘Martha’ a few days later and gave her the change from the money for expenses, plus the receipts. I was still livid. Emotional. Torn up. Downright hostile. Those feelings didn’t go away easily. I don’t think they ever will go all the way away, they’re just not as raw as they were. We met the following week, where she gave me $3000 for my ‘pay’. I really don’t know what I did to deserve any pay. Lavoy was dead, and the FBI did as they pleased, not listening to anything I said. But I guess the goal was achieved, all the people they kept asking about were arrested. Who cares if those men broke the law or not, right? That’s not how I feel at all. I care deeply our laws are upheld. I care deeply our police remain neutral and protect citizens equally. I did ask what was the reason for the ‘routine traffic stop’. Martha’s answer is that they have a right to pull over someone when a phone call is received. I didn’t push the point, but knew instantly that was a typical response when an officer does not have cause to get access. The officer must still see something illegal. Most people thinks this response means they must give access and concede.

Between the phone calls and meetings I was told two important things: One, that the person who signed the doc to send the FBI to Oregon came from the ‘highest command possible’. ‘Martha’ explained further and said it was the President. This is further evidenced when the Oregon governor appealed to the President to end the occupation of the refuge sooner. Second, ‘Martha’ said the FBI had the sign in book.

Lavoy’s funeral was February 5th , 2016. It was open casket. There were several local police outside. Everyone was cordial. Over 2500 showed up from all over the country. Jaime Hawley showed up, driving a vehicle with Florida plates. Blaine Cooper was there. This is when I found out about John Day. PPN was supposed to provide a convoy type escort for the two vehicles. They never showed. When I returned home from the funeral I called my San Diego friends and informed them PPN had dropped the ball. They said that was crucial information regarding the ‘stand by’ that was done. I would say more about the funeral, but I’m still too emotional.

On February 10th I received a call to pick some guys up in Mesquite, since Joker J had just been arrested. I did. They stayed with me for 2 weeks. No, I did not harbor any fugitives. There were no public arrest warrants or indictments released. I was called by ‘Martha’ to go to the local Lavoy Rally. I did so in order to not call attention to anyone staying with me.

Since then, I have not given ‘Martha’ any information besides public information of news articles. In the last meeting, on September 21, a Sunday, I was asked what the movement’s support was in the Presidential race. I said it was more split before the primaries, but not that Bernie is out, many are supporting Gary Johnson. Most are supporting Trump.

Let me tell you about these men being targeted.

Ammon Bundy: Very well spoken. Strong moral fiber. He’s the type of man who is free, unlike most. Most people think ‘what if’. Ammon is a free man and walks this earth as a free man. He doesn’t recognize fear. Anyone can disagree with Ammon, yet he’ll still give them the shirt off his back if they need it, disagreeing or not. Never carried a weapon.

Ryan Bundy: Not quite as well spoken as Ammon, but his strong point is law and legal terms. Strong moral fiber is woven within him and how he sees the law. He is also a free man. Obviously these men were raised together. Carried a pistol, nothing more.

Shawna Cox: She seemed to me to be an administrative assistant or secretary type. She was always seen carrying paperwork and folders in her arms. Never carried a weapon.

David Fry: Young, he had an interest in philosophy, religion. Loved to learn. What I remember best about him is his sleeping on the couch. He would be sitting straight up, then hunch over, practically folding himself in half and he was out. For hours he’d sleep in that position, with his head resting on his legs. Never carried a weapon.

Ken: I only briefly saw walking from a vehicle into a room. Later that day he was arrested.
I don’t believe I knew the other men at all.

Concerns after the fact and reviewing evidence. Who stole the sign in book and why was it placed into evidence 4 days before it was stolen.

The ‘routine traffic stop’ was not in any way, shape or form a traffic stop. There must be a reason to pull someone over. None given. Why did that public FBI statement on their website get rewritten, and all articles in all media was edited. This is pretty clear evidence that the media is required to put out stories according to political whim. Why was there no warrant. The search warrant was done after the fact. One would think the govt had figured out if there was a crime before the arrest. It’s not like anything these people did was hidden.

The 65 mph sign, looks new to me in the video ‘McConnell Secret Recording’ search. Did they lower the speed limits in the area? There is a woman that swears McConnell was in her old classroom at the school and that the video was NOT taken with PPN as McConnell said.

Ammon Bundy, Joe O’Shaughnessy, Jon Ritzheimer, and Blaine Cooper were all targeted, all from Arizona. Did McConnell tell lies to the FBI because of his dislike of these people? Three of the four all were part of some sort of militia. Is that why ‘Martha’ swore up and down if I saw the evidence, I would agree with her? McConnell is arrogant and derogatory. Very demeaning. To him, he’s the real thing, and all others are wanna-be’s.

As far as doing this all again. I’m undecided if I even helped any of these men by doing what I did. I’ll know more once the trial is over.

More importantly, would I do another operation in this manner? No. I found the FBI all knowing, distrustful, political pawns. As ‘Martha’ said, the FBI does everything ‘big’. Big is not better, sorry to say. The sheriff failed to do his job. The FBI should have then asked why he refused to protect the protesters. Instead, they encouraged him. When they were told that a man from Grant County said the Grant County Sheriff told him the Harney County Sheriff asked for his help, that he wanted the protesters all dead. ‘Kill them all’. Yes, the FBI was told, and now the Grant County Sheriff is being investigated. Go figure. Was it something I said? Probably. By telling the FBI evidence that all did not seem as it appears, and to look deeper, they instead used that to destroy good people. Political? Absolutely. The movement was growing. Across the nation people were standing up, shaking off their fears… if the FBI hadn’t broke the law and killed someone, this would still be happening. People would still be standing up. If they had simply walked up to Ammon with an arrest warrant, people would still be standing up. Their goal was to strike fear in regular people, continue the oppression that was so clear in Oregon, and everywhere else I’ve traveled.

Therefore, please realize not only is this important to know, but know all is not as it appears. We have a very powerful enemy and our names are on his desk. He hates we woke up the nation. He hates he can’t control us. We represent the one thing he hates most. American Pride. American Independence. I’m currently being tested. I was given a name of a local to check out. How do I know this is a test? I’m not stupid. They’ve never given me a name before. I’ve had to figure things out myself. Why the change, when they should be trusting me less?

/s/ Terri R. Linnell
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Epilogue
Terri testified at the trial, Tuesday, October 11th. She was not called by her benefactors, the government. Instead, she was a witness for the defense, specifically, David Fry, though all of the other Defendants, as well as the government, had an opportunity to examine her.

According to reports from the courthouse, her testimony was very contrary to what the government wanted from someone that they paid over $3000 to. But, they knew her testimony would not serve them very well. However, they could not, under any conceivable argument, argue that their paid informant could not take the stand for the Defense.

Terri’s testimony refutes many of the government’s claims, including display of weapons, leadership, and any danger posed by the occupation. She had nothing but praise for the Patriots. She also refused to let the Prosecution put words in her mouth. Though they didn’t proffer the FBI reports as evidence, they appeared to read from them. However, when they stated something contrary to fact, Terri would say that she didn’t say that.

We must wonder how the jury perceived testimony from someone the government “planted” into the group, and then supports the Defendants position with her truthful statements. It has to be very embarrassing to realize that she got no dirt, when that was her task. What more can be said of the fallacy of the entire government line.

I trust that this will put to rest the accusations that have been made against Terri over the past week. And, I pose this question to you; who else has managed to get the government to pay expenses and $3,000 for to go to Burns and cook for the Patriots?


http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1707

[monty]

E&E Publishing "Why Bundy Convictions Are No Slam Dunk: unpredictable juries
http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060044089

Why Bundy convictions are no slam dunk: unpredictable juries
Greenwire: Tuesday, October 11, 2016

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Convictions in the trial for the armed occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, including Ammon Bundy above, are not a slam dunk, attorneys say. Photo courtesy of AP Images.

Despite reams of evidence — thousands of social media posts and videos, photos of men with large guns, and the testimony of threatened federal employees — legal experts say jurors still may not convict the armed occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Attorneys who have experience trying cases in Western states have found juries notoriously unpredictable and hard to read in trials involving public lands and property rights.

Westerners generally have greater skepticism of the federal government because of its vast land management responsibilities.

And that, said attorney Karen Budd-Falen, can translate to the jury pool.

"If what you are asking me is if people who live in the West have a different mindset toward the federal government by virtue of the amount of land they have — and they are your landlords — the answer is absolutely yes," said Budd-Falen, a Cheyenne, Wyo.-based attorney who has represented numerous ranchers in cases against the government.

The ongoing trial in Portland, Ore., concerns seven occupiers — including leader Ammon Bundy — charged with conspiring to impede federal officials through the use of force, threats or intimidation. Some of the defendants also face charges of possessing a firearm in a federal facility during the 41-day standoff that ended in February.

While relatively little is known about the jury, there are some hints that there may be one or two jurors who could be sympathetic to Bundy's anti-government views. It takes only one holdout to hang a jury, essentially creating a mistrial. And there is the rare possibility that the jury could side with Bundy and his co-defendants even if jurors agree the defendants broke the law — a result known as jury nullification.
In the West, federal prosecutors have a mixed record in these types of trials.

Take the case of Harvey Frank Robbins.

Robbins purchased property in Hot Springs County, Wyo., in 1994 to run a dude ranch like the one in the movie "City Slickers."

Before Robbins bought the land, the Bureau of Land Management negotiated an easement on a road across the property with the previous owner. The road was the only access to tens of thousands of acres of the Upper Rock Creek region, a beautiful, publicly owned area.

BLM, however, failed to record the easement, and Robbins was unaware of it when he bought the land.
The bureau later pressed Robbins to honor the easement, eventually leading to an altercation in 1997 with a BLM employee who entered Robbins' property. Robbins accosted the agency employee, who cited fence easement papers. Robbins tore the papers up and ordered her to leave his property. The horse he was riding also reared up and frightened the BLM employee, according to a lawyer in the case.

Federal prosecutors charged Robbins with impeding and interfering with a federal employee — a charge that is similar to what the Malheur occupiers face. (The defendants in the Malheur case are charged only with conspiring to impede, a charge that is somewhat easier to prove.)

The prosecutors — who would only speak anonymously to discuss former cases — said they thought they had a straightforward and winnable case.

The jury disagreed. It returned a not guilty verdict after deliberating less than 25 minutes.
Local media outlets reported that the jurors were "appalled by the actions of the government." One juror said "Robbins could not have been railroaded any worse ... if he worked for the Union Pacific."
Robbins later filed a complex racketeering case against the government over his interactions with BLM that reached the Supreme Court. He lost that case in 2007.

Asked about the Bundy trial, Robbins quickly took the occupiers' side.

"This government is out of control," he said in an email. "They are accountable to nobody except God someday. The case you are covering is another case of federal abuse of power. America better wake up."

Race and religion

All juries are different, of course, and one based in a generally liberal metropolis like Portland is almost certainly going to have different demographics than one based in Wyoming.

However, the jury in the Malheur case was drawn from a statewide pool. It is all white, and a majority of the jury are women.

Only four jurors are from the Portland area, and one juror's home is some 200 miles from the city. That suggests he or she is from the eastern part of Oregon, an area that is more libertarian and conservative than Portland.

Tung Yin, a professor at Lewis & Clark Law School who has been following the case, said figuring out whether potential jurors are Bundy sympathizers would have been "priority No. 1" for the prosecutors. They would have used peremptory challenges to get them removed from the jury pool, he said.

There is also one woman on the jury from Eugene who is Mormon, like Bundy and many of the defendants.
Jon Marvel, the founder of the Western Watersheds Project, a nonprofit that frequently tussles with ranchers and BLM in court, said the influence of religion should not be underestimated.

"Mormons band together in ways that are somewhat surprising from an outside prospective," said Marvel, who lives in Hailey, Idaho.

Bundy and his father, Cliven, have repeatedly said their protests against the government were rooted in their religion.

"I did exactly what the Lord asked me to do," Ammon Bundy said during the standoff (Greenwire (http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060030427/), Jan. 11).
In his testimony this week, Bundy repeatedly highlighted his religion and flipped through the Doctrine and Covenants of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on the witness stand. Federal District Court Judge Anna Brown, however, denied Bundy and his lawyer's request to read passages in front of the jury.
Nevertheless, Bundy told the jury that his Mormon teachings shaped his motivation for the standoff.
"It is our duty to go to the judge," he said, according to media reports. "It is our duty to go to the representative. It is our duty to go to the president and plead with them to stand up for what is wrong."

Key instructions

Attorneys said a key factor in the Bundy trial will be the final directions the judge gives the jury before it begins deliberating.

Jury instructions direct the jury about what, exactly, is at issue in the case, what the burden of proof is and what reasonable doubt is, as well as what precisely is the law at issue.

In the Bundy trial, the instructions will be particularly important because the defendants have offered a wide range of arguments, many of which the prosecution contends are not relevant to the conspiracy charge at the heart of the case.

Additionally, there have been near-daily arguments between Bundy's unorthodox attorney, Marcus Mumford, and the judge and a barrage of objections from federal prosecutors to Mumford's questioning methods (Greenwire (http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060043675/), Sept. 30).

"The jury instructions are going to be particularly important — and detailed — to filter out all of his BS and focus the jury on their task and the key elements of the charges," said Vermont Law School professor Pat Parenteau.

The instructions are also likely to be contentious. The defense, for example, will likely want Brown to include something on adverse possession, the legal theory under which Bundy and his supporters were seeking to take ownership of the refuge land. Defense attorneys have repeatedly raised the issue in the trial so far.
However, the prosecution will undoubtedly object to any inclusion of adverse possession in the instructions because the government claims it is impossible to make an adverse possession claim on federal lands.

In the jury room

Once the jury begins deliberating, several factors will quickly develop that will be outside the prosecution's control.

The jury will select or elect its foreman, or leader. He or she will likely have significant influence on the jury's deliberations. Other jurors may also step into leadership roles.

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Defendant Kenneth Medenbach posted this photo on his Facebook page of the shirt he wore to the courtroom during jury selection that advocated for jurors to ignore the judge’s instructions. The judge later instructed him not to wear the shirt again. Photo courtesy of Kenneth Medenbach, via Facebook.

More controversially, there is the possibility that the jurors could return a verdict of not guilty even if they think there is sufficient evidence to convict under the law and instructions provided by the judge.

So-called jury nullification is rare, but it occurs when the jury disagrees with the law.

"The jury may think the law is unfair and they can vote to acquit," said Yin, the Lewis & Clark Law professor.
During jury selection, one defendant, Kenneth Medenbach, appeared in the courtroom with a shirt that appeared to advocate for jury nullification, or for the jury to disregard the judge's instructions. (The judge later ordered Medenbach not to wear the shirt into the courtroom.)

That result — or any acquittal — would be devastating to the prosecution because the government cannot appeal an acquittal due to the Constitution's double jeopardy clause, Yin said.

Wyoming U.S. Attorney Christopher "Kip" Crofts said he would not comment or speculate on the Oregon case or the previous Robbins case.

But he said that, generally, prosecutors are often left wondering what influenced jurors.

"We don't know what they talk about and what is important to them," Crofts said. "We also don't know what is in the mind of each juror who may vote without saying anything at all in the jury room. The verdict could be the result of some little bit of testimony or other evidence that did not seem all that significant to the prosecutor."

[Glass]

The FACT that there is so much background information on Government land ownership and access abuse including other people who have fought this fight, court cases that have been lost by the Government agencies, I think speaks volumes about the situation. Not just the Bundy situation but the Government Vs the People situation.

The Government (as they like to call themselves) have been at it since day one AND they will keep at it again and again. Chipping away, one battle at a time. And once they have their grubby hands on it, no matter what IT is, they won't let it go again.

[monty]

I cannot agree with Gary Hunt. This woman is still an informant and cannot be trusted. Her letter and testifying for the defense did little or nothing to exonerate her.


Epilogue
Terri testified at the trial, Tuesday, October 11th. She was not called by her benefactors, the government. Instead, she was a witness for the defense, specifically, David Fry, though all of the other Defendants, as well as the government, had an opportunity to examine her.

According to reports from the courthouse, her testimony was very contrary to what the government wanted from someone that they paid over $3000 to. But, they knew her testimony would not serve them very well. However, they could not, under any conceivable argument, argue that their paid informant could not take the stand for the Defense.

Terri’s testimony refutes many of the government’s claims, including display of weapons, leadership, and any danger posed by the occupation. She had nothing but praise for the Patriots. She also refused to let the Prosecution put words in her mouth. Though they didn’t proffer the FBI reports as evidence, they appeared to read from them. However, when they stated something contrary to fact, Terri would say that she didn’t say that.

We must wonder how the jury perceived testimony from someone the government “planted” into the group, and then supports the Defendants position with her truthful statements. It has to be very embarrassing to realize that she got no dirt, when that was her task. What more can be said of the fallacy of the entire government line.

I trust that this will put to rest the accusations that have been made against Terri over the past week. And, I pose this question to you; who else has managed to get the government to pay expenses and $3,000 for to go to Burns and cook for the Patriots?

[Tumbleweed]

I cannot agree with Gary Hunt. This woman is still an informant and cannot be trusted. Her letter and testifying for the defense did little or nothing to exonerate her.

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I would never trust her either. The only good coming from what she did is to expose how the Feds infiltrate militia and patriot groups. We all need to learn from this.

[monty]

I would never trust her either. The only good coming from what she did is to expose how the Feds infiltrate militia and patriot groups. We all need to learn from this.

She provided a lot of excellent information, like you say, we all need to learn from. But she hasn't proven herself. I think LaVoy's murder scared the hell out of her, but I think she will go again if they call her.

[monty]

Ryan Payne petioned the court to withdraw his guilty plea.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/oregon_standoff_defendant_ryan.html

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on October 13, 2016 at 5:00 AM, updated October 13, 2016 at 8:11 AM


Oregon standoff defendant Ryan Payne wants to withdraw guilty plea

Ryan Payne, one of the 26 people indicted on a federal conspiracy charge stemming from the seizure of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, wants to withdraw his guilty plea in the case, according to his lawyer.

Payne, who also faces a federal indictment in Nevada stemming from the 2014 standoff with federal officers near the Bundy Ranch in Bunkerville, had entered a guilty plea in the Oregon case in July, based on a global offer that was pending in the Nevada case.

But his assistant federal public defender said an agreement in the Nevada case hasn't been reached. As a result, Payne, 33, wishes to withdraw his guilty plea in the Oregon case and seek a jury trial, according to new court filings.

"As of the date of this filing, no agreement has been reached and there is no plea offer still available to Mr. Payne in Nevada,'' wrote attorney Rich Federico in a motion to withdraw the guilty plea (http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/10/12/paynewithdraw.pdf). He filed the motion in U.S. District Court in Portland late Tuesday.

Prosecutors said Payne made ultimatums to Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward in November, seeking to prevent Harney County ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr. and son Steven Hammond from returning to federal prison on arson convictions, and led tactical training during the occupation of the Malheur refuge. In Nevada, he's accused of organizing "armed protection'' in the 2014 standoff over the impounding of rancher Cliven Bundy's cattle.

According to court records, the government is opposed to Payne withdrawing his guilty plea in the Malheur case.

He pleaded guilty to the federal charge of conspiracy in Oregon, and a second count, possession of firearms in a federal facility, was dismissed, under the negotiated plea. The Oregon sentence was to run concurrently with his Nevada sentence.

Under an offer then pending in the Nevada case, Payne would have pleaded guilty to three charges, including the use and carrying of a firearm in a crime of violence -- a count that brings a mandatory minimum sentence of seven years. Prosecutors there were going to recommend a 12-year sentence, but Payne could argue for seven years, according to prosecutors and his lawyers.

On the date Payne signed the Oregon plea agreement, he wasn't fully aware of the specifics of the Nevada plea offer -- still "only in a draft format,'' Federico wrote in his motion.

"Notably, the entire 'statement of facts' section of the Nevada plea offer had been left blank. When Mr. Payne arrived in Nevada, he was only then provided a 'statement of facts' that Nevada prosecutors demanded he agree to in order to secure the deal,'' Federico wrote. "On the date he entered a guilty plea in Oregon, had Mr. Payne known all the terms of the deal in Nevada, he would not have signed the deal in Oregon. ''

Federico also argued that Payne was given only a day to accept the Oregon plea deal and took it largely to reduce his risk of potential prison time in the Nevada case.

"Mr. Payne felt the pressure of 'massive' sentencing exposure in the Nevada case in particular,'' if he didn't take the plea in July, his attorney said.

"However, fairness and justice dictate that once relieved of the time pressures and having more time to reflect upon the Nevada case, Mr. Payne is in a much better position today to make an informed decision regarding his legal options in both districts,'' Federico said.

The breakdown of negotiations in Nevada, coupled with evidence in the ongoing trial of seven co-defendants that bolsters Payne's argument that the occupiers' intent was non-violent, should allow the withdrawal of Payne's guilty plea in Oregon, his attorney argues.

Federico referenced a video that prosecutors played showing Payne explaining to a group of men gathered in the refuge bunkhouse why they took over the refuge and that their intentions were peaceful. Payne also was unaware at his plea hearing that Mark McConnell and others were informants for the federal government, which was disclosed during trial.

"Had Mr. Payne and his counsel been aware of this basis for impeachment of the government's potential witnesses, they could have evaluated the strength of the government's case differently,'' Federico wrote.
Federico also pointed to his client's responses to U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown during his plea hearing, noting how "equivocal'' Payne was, indicating he had "serious misgivings and reservations.''

Asked if he had impeded federal employees using intimidation, threats or force, for example, Payne told the court, "I have come to understand that folks who were -- who work for the government, that that Constitution ordained, perceived my actions as threatening or intimidating."

The deal, he noted, was offered before jurors reached a verdict in his co-defendants' trial, providing no "preview'' on how they would weigh evidence in the case.

The federal trial in the Nevada case is scheduled for February. Payne's sentencing in the Oregon case had been set over until February.

-- Maxine Bernstein
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[monty]

Bill Goode's assessment of Teri Linnell's actions and letter.

This is what struck me when I read her letter. This is why I believe she will go again if she is called.

Per Terri's letter, she was in touch with her FBI contact until 21 September 2016. That's less than a month ago. She stayed in contact with the FBI for 8 months after LaVoy was assassinated!!!!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1717765141769695/permalink/1812219265657615/
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Bill Goode

11 hrs (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1717765141769695/permalink/1812219265657615/)

Despite Gary Hunt having published Terri Linnell's letter, this article I have written is not a reflection on Gary. This article is about Terri Linnell.

I know Gary Hunt and I know him to be a very dedicated and knowledgeable patriot. His articles at http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/ (http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Foutpost-of-freedom.com%2Fblog%2F&h=ZAQEcqUrvAQH8RQsxGaLAR81IgTElh_a1jk-Rz5NatuSazA&enc=AZOJyt2652ZTdWaIlRA1Jdygl_W1fFuW-ig8af5PE_1pWEru9mqLK55Cfy4WwIwrLa5dAABJnXq7Xheo3Hg 1DV4-EmnIkjMdIJ393e5LSTzBq1D3VxdD4kP7V--io6YKc4hIORsEH_oeZTrq71f6BHoiNbDDnekhK6j3QETBP74J-w&s=1) are voluminous, well researched and well written. His research into the Hammond family difficulties is extensive. He has done more writing with deeper research on the whole Hammond - Bundy - Finicum affair than any other journalist.

Despite this single article, he is not to be compared to Terri Linnell. I would in no way disparage Gary Hunt as a patriot or journalist. Here he has simply reported with Terri Linnel's letter and expressed his opinion on it, like any other journalist.
Terri Linnell published a letter, via journalist Gary Hunt, that explains her activities between the FBI and the Malheur Refuge occupation. Most of this letter is pretty innocuous and irrelevant, as far as Terri confessing and clearing her name in the patriot movement. Nevertheless, I have several points I would make regarding Terri's letter.

1) Terri starts off her letter blaming Jaime Spears for rumors that she, Terri Linnell, was an informant. I know nothing of what Jaime Spears has said in relation to Terri's activities. I base my opinion of Terri Linnell on what Terri has said herself. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Jaime Spears. Later in Terri's letter she mentions Jaime again for gossiping, which Terri herself is doing against Jaime. It does Terri no credit to discuss her ill opinions of Jaime.

That Terri later took "advantage" of those rumors shows exceedingly poor judgement on her part. That an individual would sacrifice her integrity to work for the government, as an informant against a patriotic group, for her own financial "advantage" shows a person absolutely not to be trusted by any patriotic group.

2) The "judge" that Terri mentions was Bruce Doucette, a self appointed "Judge", who is a member of this FB group. Being a self appointed "Judge", he also appoints "marshals". That procedure is explained to some degree on websites, that he partakes in with others. They consider it constitutional and purport to support the Constitution. Weblinks provided on request to me via PM.

Doucette and another fellow, then associated with Doucette, were providing what was considered "constitutional legal advice" to Ammon and leadership at the Refuge, as well as what was presumed to be legal counsel to the Hammond family.
I doubt Terri had any involvement with Doucette or any legal discussions within the Refuge. I only mention it here to explain what Terri was talking about regarding the "judge".

3) Per Terri's letter, she was in touch with her FBI contact until 21 September 2016. That's less than a month ago. She stayed in contact with the FBI for 8 months after LaVoy was assassinated!!!!

WHY ON EARTH WOULD TERRI LINNELL CONTINUE CONTACT WITH PEOPLE THAT SHE KNEW MURDERED SOMEONE SHE PRESUMABLY ADMIRED? FOR 8 MONTHS???

As an aside here, to be clear, I'm sure Terri, herself, had nothing, knowingly, to do with LaVoy's assassination. The FBI was planning LaVoy's assassination some weeks before Terri's arrival at the Refuge. (ref - Butch Eaton's FBI interview on 3 January) The major informant for LaVoy's assassination is clearly Mark McConnell.

However Terri did provide information to the FBI, which, unknown to Terri, the FBI may well have used to plan the actual assassination. Thus, Terri may well be an unknowing participant to some degree in the planning of LaVoy's assassination. It's unknown to what degree, until Terri reveals exactly what information she revealed to the FBI about people and activities at the Refuge. This letter falls far short of such revelation.

Terri admits "I really don’t know what I did to deserve any pay (after having received her $3000 from the FBI). Lavoy was dead, and the FBI did as they pleased, not listening to anything I said. But I guess the goal was achieved, all the people they kept asking about were arrested." Until Terri reveals what information she gave to the FBI, her level of participation in the arrests and LaVoy's assassination, regardless of her lack of knowledge, remains in question.

4) ) Terri's letter is more damning of her than she probably realizes. Regarding the investigation of Grant County Sheriff Palmer, she admits: "Was it something I said? Probably. By telling the FBI evidence that all did not seem as it appears, and to look deeper, they instead used that to destroy good people. Political? Absolutely." (2nd to last paragraph of Terri's letter) By her own admission, Terri Linnell gave information to the FBI that they "used to destroy good people."

5) None of this is to say that there is no route for forgiveness for Terri Linnell. Forgiveness is possible for her, but it will be a very "tough road to hoe" for her, and it will get tougher the longer she takes to pursue it.

I thank Terri Linnell for the testimony she gave on behalf of the defense on 11 October 2016, but that is barely the beginning of her achieving forgiveness, if indeed that is what she is seeking.

The very next step would be to turn over EVERY DOLLAR, she received from the FBI, to the defense of the patriots - all $3000 plus her expense money. Every nickel and dime, with interest. The longer she takes in this step, the less credible is her intention to come clean. If she takes too long, the defendants' trials may be over. The money would be of less value, especially if they are convicted, while having that money before conviction might save them from conviction.

Secondly, she must reveal everything she told the FBI. Having this information will reveal the effect she had on ending the occupation, the arrests of the occupiers and the assassination of LaVoy. Until the effect she had on the ending of the occupation is known, we cannot know what other steps must be taken for Terri to be forgiven.

Terri Linnell's letter shows she knows not what she did. There is no responsibility in that letter for her actions. She has no concept of the wrong she has done. I notice that she has removed her Facebook page under her real name. That's probably just as well for her, as she doesn't seem to realize the wrong she has done and may well not understand many comments she would receive there.

I'm surprised her "MommaBear" page is still up and running, claiming "I'm a well educated Patriot mother, fighting for our country." In light of Terri's informant activities, that statement is insulting an infuriating to real patriots, especially those who have been arrested by the very agency that Terri Linnell worked for - the FBI. Well Terri you are not to be trusted. You have proven that you have exceedingly poor judgement in relationship with government and the value of the patriots in the country you purport to fight for.

Terri Linnell's letter may be viewed at Gary Hunt's website Outpost of Freedom.

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Terri Linnell could never really be trusted again and should always be shunned by militia and patriot groups from this time forward. I have no doubt though that there will be many others willing to inform on patriotic americans who resist this corrupt government we have.

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Michele Fiore condems Sheriff Dave Ward's actions on floor of Nevada Assembly

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MICHELE FIORE - KEEPING HER WOR
Michele Fiore on the Nevada Assembly Floor said this today in open session:

Good Morning,
I stand in support of and know that Blue Lives Matter; when we have Law Enforcement and County Sheriffs that support their citizens and Law Makers we need to support them too.

But there have been Sheriff's that hand their elected positions over to the Federal Government and some of the outcomes have been fatal.

Sheriff David Ward of Harney County Oregon did just that.

Under his watch a man "Lavoy Finicum" was murdered.

The Bureau Of Land Management (BLM) has become quite aggressive across our Nation; from continual harassment of our Indigenous Native Americans to our Rancher's, who are just trying to protect their livelihoods.
It's up to us to ensure our communities have the resources needed to protect it's citizens from Domestic Terrorist Agencies such as the BLM.

Most of my fellow friends in this Chamber were not at Bunkerville in April of 2014, but Sheriff Lombardo and Sheriff Douglas Gillespi were there.

Our Clark County Sheriffs stopped the Nevada Massacre the BLM had planned.

As the body camera footage from the BLM gets unsealed and released to the press and the public, the words I just spoke will be verified.

Thank you

Carol Bundy (https://www.facebook.com/carol.bundy.3) Lisa Bundy Briana Bundy (https://www.facebook.com/briana.bundy.3) Ashley Jones Bj Soper (https://www.facebook.com/bj.soper.5) Kati Batie Linsay Tyler January Kolar Teresa Brookshire Karen Mucklechuck Mike ArnoldChastity Bendele (https://www.facebook.com/chastity.bendele) Peter Thomas Santilli Mike Serour (https://www.facebook.com/mike.serour.7) Stacy Benner (https://www.facebook.com/stacy.benner.5) Jaime Spears Aldazabal (https://www.facebook.com/jaime.aldazabal) Rich Garboski (https://www.facebook.com/eTechTV.NYC) Erin Davis Maureen Peltier Michele Fiore (https://www.facebook.com/MicheleFiore2012)Angie Huntington Bundy Arden Bundy (https://www.facebook.com/arden.bundy) Jeanette Finicum Susan DeLemus (https://www.facebook.com/susan.delemus)Tim Brown (https://www.facebook.com/C.Timothy.Brown) Tim Poor (https://www.facebook.com/tim.poor) Bob Powell Tami Sandell Erin Maupin (https://www.facebook.com/erin.maupin.35) Glen Sandell

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Hammonds break silence about being threatened bymthe feds


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HAMMOND FAMILY BREAKS THEIR SILENCE! FEDS ORDERED THEM TO BE SILENT ON REFUGE TAKEOVER OR FACE RETRIBUTION!
Today in court, attorneys for Ammon Bundy presented a signed affidavit from the Rusty Hammond that his family has, in fact, remained silent because of threats by the federal government.

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Today in court, attorneys for Ammon Bundy presented a signed affidavit from the Rusty Hammond that his family has, in fact, remained silent because of threat...
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Rusty Hammond's affidavit






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Ammon Bundy wants gov't. to identify informants.


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Shawna Cox takes the witness stand, plays her video from inside LaVoy's truck

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on October 13, 2016 at 1:12 PM, updated October 13, 2016 at 6:25 PM


Oregon standoff defendant Shawna Cox takes stand, plays her video of arrest

Updated 5:45 p.m.

Oregon standoff defendant Shawna Cox testified Thursday that she didn't emerge immediately from Robert "LaVoy" Finicum's truck when police stopped them Jan. 26 on U.S. 395 because she was afraid of getting shot.

Cox, the fourth of seven defendants to take the stand in the federal conspiracy trial, became emotional as her standby lawyer Tiffany Harris played the video that Cox took of the felony traffic stop as she sat in the back seat.

Harris showed the footage after the judge cautioned that it could be "quite prejudicial'' to both Cox and co-defendant Ryan Bundy with the risk of "underscoring to the jury that the defendants pick and choose which laws they want to follow.'' The video captured Cox telling Finicum to "gun it, gun it'' as he sped away from officers at the initial stop.

That day, authorities tried to stop Finicum's truck and a Jeep with Ammon Bundy as they headed away from their occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns to a community meeting in John Day.

Ammon Bundy surrendered immediately along with his bodyguard, Brian Cavalier. Ryan Payne, who was in the front passenger seat of Finicum's truck, got out before Finicum drove off.

Finicum ended up crashing into a snowbank at a roadblock up the highway and was fatally shot by state police after he got out. Police said Fincium reached three times for the inside of his jacket, where he had a loaded 9mm handgun.

Just before they were initially stopped, Cox said she noticed a line of unmarked cars to the right as they were driving north on the highway and then noticed flashing lights. She said she heard Payne remark, "It's a setup'' and Finicum say, "It's an ambush.''

Once Finicum stopped the truck, she said, Payne rolled down his window and thrust both of his hands out, his palms showing. Suddenly, she testified, she saw a red laser and heard a shot.

"He jumped back in. That freaked us out. It was very frightening,'' Cox said. "It made no sense to me.'''
Payne eventually stepped out of the truck and yelled there were women inside. Officers at the scene said the women should come out, Cox testified.

Asked by her standby lawyer why she didn't leave then, Cox said she asked Victoria Sharp, who was sitting next to her in the back seat, what she wanted to do.

"She said, 'I'm not getting out. They just shot at us.' I'm not going out either,'' Cox testified. "I have a lot of children and my maternal instinct is to protect them. I wasn't about to leave her in that vehicle.''

Cox said she was perplexed why no officers approached Finicum's driver's window and asked for his license or explained the reason for the stop.

Harris asked, "Have you ever before in your life contemplated driving away from an officer?''
"Never,'' Cox responded.

Of Finicum's truck, Cox said, "That was our secure spot. We were afraid to get out. ... We felt like we were pinned down. We felt like we were going to all be killed. In fact, we were sure we were all in a death trap.''

Co-defendant Kenneth Medenbach stood to ask Cox a question but was quickly shut down by U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown. He began: "Are you aware the jury has power to weigh ...''

"Stop!'' the judge demanded. "I'm not going to let a defendant ask any questions about jury nullification.''
"And the corruption continues,'' Medenbach added. The judge asked if he had any other questions to ask, and he didn't.

During a brief cross-examination, Assistant U.S. Attorney Craig Gabriel stopped the video that Cox took and showed a screenshot of Ryan Bundy, who was in the back left side passenger seat of Finicum's truck, holding a revolver in his right hand as he hunkered down.

Gabriel asked Cox if her video was a fair and accurate representation of what took place. She said yes.
And, in fact, Ryan Bundy had a revolver, Gabriel pointed out.

"I have no idea,'' Cox said. "I never saw a gun.''

Gabriel also noted that Payne, who was in the front seat of Finicum's truck before Finicum drove off from the initial, got out of the truck after a less-lethal round shot struck the vehicle.

"I heard a metal on metal ping. I have no idea,'' Cox said, regarding the round.

"Once they announced it was the Oregon State Police, you knew it was the Oregon State Police, right Ms. Cox?'' Gabriel asked.

Cox had testified during direct examination that she didn't know if they were really the police.

"You didn't accept their invitation to get out of the car, right?'' Gabriel asked.

"Yes,'' Cox responded.

Earlier Thursday, former Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack, who serves as president of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, testified that Ammon Bundy asked him to call Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward about three to four weeks before the refuge takeover.

Mack did, urging Ward to "put the federal government on notice he was in charge of the Hammonds.'' The Hammonds are father-and-son ranchers who were set to return to federal prison to serve out a mandatory minimum sentence for arson to federal lands.

"I asked him if he thought the Hammonds should go to prison and he said no,'' Mack testified. The judge told jurors to disregard his answer, sustaining a hearsay objection.

Mack said he participated in a Jan. 2 march and rally for the Hammonds in Burns but never went to the wildlife refuge. In fact, he testified under questioning by Ammon Bundy's lawyer Marcus Mumford, that he thought the refuge occupation was a bad idea.

"I felt it was a misguided protest,'' Mack said. "I told him somebody was going to get hurt, and he needed to get out of there. I kept telling him this was not going to have a happy ending, and I was very fearful for his safety and the other occupants. I knew he was a good man and I just prayed for him and his family.''

Mack also testified that he was surprised Sheriff Ward didn't arrest Ammon Bundy when the two met on a rural road outside the refuge on Jan. 7. "I thought it was derelict of duty,'' Mack said, but the judge struck that answer as well.

Questioned about who serves as the top law enforcement officer, Mack said, "It's the sheriff. Always has been.''

During cross-examination, Assistant U.S. Attorney Ethan Knight asked if Ammon Bundy ever mentioned adverse possession to Mack as one of his reasons for occupying the refuge. "He may have, but I don't remember what that is,'' Mack said.

A former FBI agent, Charles Stephenson, also testified for the defense, saying that most of the weapons he saw pictured in photos from the refuge occupation appeared to be in an "at rest, secure'' and non-threatening position. But he acknowledged that drawing a conclusion about someone's intent based on a "frozen'' moment in time without knowing the "totality of the circumstances,'' is impossible.

"Would it matter if a person were to carry a firearm in a place where they had no lawful right to be?'' asked Assistant U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Barrow.

"Yes,'' Stephenson replied.

During a break, the judge admonished Ammon Bundy's other lawyer, J. Morgan Philpot, when he argued to call a witness, citing her gender, and noting that most of the 12 jurors are female.

"Do not go there,'' Brown declared. "You are not going to draw an inference about the gender of a juror. ... It's highly inappropriate to focus on gender, race or sexual orientation. That's just flat out wrong.''

Later, Philpot said outside of court that it was the judge who had prohibited them from calling many of their female witnesses, on one basis or another.

Other defense testimony Thursday included:
--Fields resident Rebecca Kingen, who visited the refuge on Jan. 7, and brought her son, now 12 years old, to interview Ryan Bundy. Asked why she brought her son to interview Bundy for his school newspaper, Kingen testified tearfully, "It could be a way to show they are just like we are.''

Kingen said she didn't feel any danger at the refuge, and brought her daughter, now 8 years old, as well with her on the January visit.

Ryan Bundy presented a copy of the article that Kingen's son Monte wrote for his school paper, called "The Desert Rat,'' under the headline, "The Bundy Family Makes a Stand at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.''

--Russel "Rusty" Hammond, the son of Harney County ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr. and brother to Steven Hammond, testified briefly that he had met Ammon Bundy for the first time on Dec. 15. He said Bundy told him he was in Burns "to bring attention to what was happening to my father and brother, and what was happening to our country with federal overreach.''

He also confirmed that his family has been threatened because of their contact with Ammon Bundy. He did not identify by whom.

--Diane Marie Holthaus, of Idaho, visited the refuge twice, including a week stay from Jan. 10 through 17. She said she mostly spent her time cooking and cleaning. She testified that Neil Wampler told her he was at the refuge to protest "the injustices against the Hammonds,'' and never talked about wanting to prevent federal employees from doing their work at the refuge.

-- Maxine Bernstein
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Ryan Payne's plea withdrawal

http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1717

Burns Chronicles No 33 – Ryan Payne’s Plea Withdrawal (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1717)

October 13, 2016, 7:23 pm
Burns Chronicles No 33
Ryan Payne’s Plea Withdrawal


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Gary Hunt
Outpost of Freedom
October 13, 2016

Back on July 13, Ryan Payne signed a plea agreement (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns_doc_905_%20Ryan_Payne_Plea_Agreement.pdf). As will be explained, below, he has now requested the Court to Withdraw Guilty Plea and Proceed to Trial by Jury (http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/documents/Burns-doc_1421_Payne_withdraw.pdf) and go to trial on the charges.Though it won’t be mentioned in the Motion, in addition to what follows, Ryan was threatened with a Terrorism Enhancement, if he went to trial and was convicted. That would be a 30 years sentence, but, as I said, the Court cannot recognize that, as it was part of negotiations.

So, let’s look at the picture that the Motion to Withdraw Guilty Plea gives us, at least in pertinent part. I will leave the citations in, for those who wish to review previous decisions on the subject: After entering a plea of guilty to Count 1, Mr. Payne stated the following as a factual basis for his plea, in the words of Ryan Payne:
“Ah, your Honor, the very first adult decision that I ever made was when I was 17, to join the military of the United States. And in so doing, I took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. I traveled to Harney County, here in Oregon, under the pretense that this was my intent. That I was coming to uphold and defend the Constitution.”

"In pursuing that effort, I understand I — I have come to understand that folks who were — who work for the Government, that that Constitution ordained, perceived my actions as threatening or intimidating. And, thereby, I – I understand myself to have been guilty of the charge that I’m charged with.

The Court inquired whether Mr. Payne agreed that his actions actually impeded government officials. Mr. Payne responded, “[a]s it has been presented to me, it is my understanding that I did, your Honor.”

So, Ryan went to the Malheur Refuge with the intention (not a criminal intent, rather, a patriotic intent) to defend the Constitution. And, that is what this whole trial is about..

Then, he points out, not that he threatened or intimidate, rather, that those folks at the Refuge “perceived” his actions as threatening. So, he “understands”, rather than believes, that he is guilty. That is based on the information provided to him, as well as any other influences as to what the consequence might be if he proceeded to jury trial (see the second paragraph for one of those influences).

Now, getting to some conditions that justify his withdrawal of the plea, we find that there had been a lot of information withheld from him — upon which he was to make that decision. Here are two elements of information that was not made available, which we now find had exculpatory (possibly proving innocence) evidence that has since come to light.

Subsequent to the change of plea hearing, the prosecution produced seven additional volumes of discovery to all defendants. The later discovery productions included materials that became exhibits in the trial of co-defendants currently ongoing before the Court.

Additionally, subsequent to the change of plea, the government acknowledged the use of confidential informants, such as Mr. Mark McConnell, that had not been disclosed to Mr. Payne on the date he entered a plea.

Now the legal basis justifying his right to withdraw:APPLICABLE LAW AND BASIS FOR WITHDRAWAL Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 11(d)(2)(B) governs withdrawal of guilty pleas. The Rule “directs a district court to permit a defendant to withdraw a guilty plea before sentencing if the defendant comes forward with any fair and just reason for doing so.” United States v. Ortega- Ascanio, 376 F.3d 879, 887 (9th Cir. 2004). Although a defendant may not withdraw a guilty plea “simply on a lark,” the fair and justice standard “is generous and must be liberally applied.” United States v. Ensminger, 567 F.3d 587, 590–91 (9th Cir. 2009).

The timing of the motion to withdraw a guilty plea is critically important. Before sentencing, a defendant “need not prove that his plea is invalid” in order to meet the standard for withdrawal of the plea. Oretega-Ascanio, 376 F.3d at 884. Instead, a more liberal standard applies, permitting withdrawal of the plea on grounds including “inadequate Rule 11 plea colloquies [formal discussions], newly discovered evidence, intervening circumstances, or any other reason for withdrawing the plea that did not exist when the defendant entered his plea.” Id. at 883 (citing United States v. Turner, 898 F.2d 705, 713 (9th Cir. 1990)). If a defendant demonstrates one of these grounds, withdrawal of the plea should be “freely allowed.” United States v. Showalter, 569 F.3d 1150, 1154 (9th Cir. 2009).

Then, in itemizing the elements that are mentioned, his attorney, Rich Federico, provides the following:
A. Intervening Circumstances in the District of Nevada Provide a Fair and Just Reason for the Court to Permit Mr. Payne to Withdraw his Guilty PleaAs stated during the change of plea hearing, the foundation of the Oregon plea agreement was that an agreement would also be reached in Nevada. Mr. Payne was given a very short period of time in Oregon from the date the plea offer was received on July 12th, before that offer expired at 5:00 PM on July 13th. On the date Mr. Payne signed the Oregon plea agreement, the Nevada offer was only in a draft format. Notably, the entire “statement of facts” section of the Nevada plea offer had been left blank. When Mr. Payne arrived in Nevada, he was only then provided a “statement of facts” that Nevada prosecutors demanded he agree to in order to secure the deal. Subsequent negotiations have not been able to break through the differences between the parties in Nevada.

On the date he entered a guilty plea in Oregon, had Mr. Payne known all the terms of the deal in Nevada, he would not have signed the deal in Oregon.

Additionally, Mr. Payne’s case is unique in that he is being prosecuted simultaneously in two federal districts, in complex trials. This Court previously acknowledged that having Mr. Payne and his co-defendants be charged in both districts was “a most unusual situation the defendants are facing here.” The “unusual situation” of simultaneous prosecutions should be considered by the Court when weighing whether intervening circumstances in another case, in another district, are compelling to meet the “fair and just” standard. Because the parties and Mr. Payne were clear at the change of plea hearing that the “foundation” of the Oregon plea deal was reaching a similar deal in Nevada, the change in circumstances upon Mr. Payne’s arrival to the District of Nevada weigh in favor of granting withdrawal of his plea.

Ryan had been deceived by Nevada, and given an incomplete document, relying, instead, on verbal promises — which prove to be worthless. He had been led to believe what the Nevada plea would entail, but found that it was not as represented. He also had to consider the “most unusual situation” where he would have to prepare defenses in both states, while still detained, under guard, with limited access to attorneys, and nearly no access to those outside who may have been able to help him prepare his defense.

B. Newly Discovered Evidence Was Provided After Mr. Payne’s Guilty Plea
Although many of the facts of what occurred at the Malheur Refuge are not in dispute, the legal significance attributed to those facts is highly disputed. Proof of a conspiracy requires intent. Thus, any and all statements of intent, motive, and purpose are extremely relevant to an ultimate determination of guilt.

Subsequent to the change of plea hearing, the government produced seven additional volumes of discovery to all co-defendants. Some of this new information was particularly germane to Mr. Payne. For example, it included a video that depicts Mr. Payne talking to many others at the Refuge on January 7, 2016. In the video, Mr. Payne is shown discussing the goals of the protest, discussions he and others previously had with Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward, and Mr. Payne’s clear statements to alleged co-conspirators that they do not want violence. The existence of corroborating evidence of Mr. Payne’s non-violent intentions is a factor for the Court to consider when evaluating the effect of new evidence.

More significantly, prior to Mr. Payne’s change of plea hearing, the government had not disclosed the extent of its use, nor the names of confidential informants employed by the government to infiltrate meetings at the Refuge and elsewhere. It has now been revealed that some of the inculpatory [proving guilt] conduct and statements attributed to Mr. Payne apparently were made to confidential informants, a fact previously unknown to Mr. Payne. Had Mr. Payne and his counsel been aware of this basis for impeachment of the government’s potential witnesses, they could have evaluated the strength of the government’s case differently.

Newly discovered information need not be exculpatory in order to warrant withdrawal of a guilty plea. United States v. Garcia, 401 F.3d 1008, 1011 (9th Cir. 2005) (noting that defendant need not “show that the new evidence exonerates him or that there is a reasonable probability he would not have been convicted had the case gone to trial”). Instead, the question is whether the new evidence “could have at least plausibly motivated a reasonable person in [the defendant’s] position not to have pled guilty had he known about the evidence prior to pleading.” Garcia, 401 F.3d at 1111–12. Again, in weighing whether newly discovered evidence provides a basis to permit Mr. Payne to withdraw his guilty plea, the Court must apply the standard liberally towards the relief he seeks.

If we understand that hearsay evidence is inadmissible, then we find that the government has provided, in Discovery, hard evidence of things that might have been said. And, no evidence that might exist that would dispute the inculpatory evidence, so that there was a means of countering what had been provided. Where having that which had not been provided might, at least, afford a fair hearing, might be the reason for pleading out of frustration, rather than fighting the battle in court.

C. The Rule 11 Plea Colloquy Demonstrated that Mr. Payne Did Not Fully Agree to the Factual Basis for his Plea to Count 1
It is clear from his responses at the change of plea hearing that Mr. Payne had serious misgivings and reservations regarding the factual basis for his plea. His responses were equivocal, at best, regarding the factual basis and whether he believed he was really guilty of the crime. For example, Mr. Payne stated that “I have come to understand that folks who were — who work for the Government, that that Constitution ordained, perceived my actions as threatening or intimidating.”

This followed a statement in which Mr. Payne said that his true intent in traveling to Harney County, Oregon was to “uphold and defend the Constitution.” He also stated that “as it has been presented to me,” it was his understanding that his conduct actually impeded federal officials through threat or intimidation. The only response regarding the factual basis that was unequivocal was a simple affirmative response (“I did, your Honor”) to the question pointed specifically towards whether he entered into an agreement to intentionally engage in conduct. The Court need not find that Mr. Payne’s plea was invalid to allow him to withdraw it. Oretega-Ascanio, 376 F.3d at 843. When the Court liberally applies the “fair and just” standard, it should consider, as a matter of fairness, that Mr. Payne was extremely equivocal in his responses regarding the factual basis for his plea. His equivocations, coupled with the pressure of the situation and the statement of his true intent to engage in lawful conduct, may also persuade the Court that Mr. Payne’s guilty plea should be withdrawn.

So, when you do not have the means, or evidence, to prove the truth, and the government, through discovery, has only provided that which offers no substantiation of the truth, you have little choice but to capitulate. But, wait, the government was withholding that exculpatory evidence until after the plea agreement was signed.

So, it appears that those three conditions necessary for the Judge to grant his Withdrawal, are clearly supported in the Motion.

Finally, what Ryan is seeking is, “a trial by jury at a date and time to be determined.”

This is a rather interesting turn-around and creates an even more interesting dilemma for Judge Anna Brown. It would be difficult to join Ryan with the remaining Oregon defendants, since their trial will be going on at the same time as the Nevada (Bundy) trial, in February. This would require either rescheduling the next Oregon trial to avoid that conflict, or try Ryan separately, at some other time.

However, what led to this are the mountains of Discovery information, and then the Prosecutors feeding out only inculpatory evidence, leaving the defense attorneys to paint a rather dismal picture, concerning being able to obtain a not guilty verdict. And, as pointed out, above, the threats of a 30-year sentence cannot even be considered, as they, unlike the plea agreement and transcript, are not a part of the Record.

This is just one more instance of chicanery by the government’s Department of Justice that leads to many thousands of plea agreements, and no fair hearing in court. It also provides us even more insight into the technique of spying, not on foreign enemies or foreign governments, but on the people of this country; Those who tend to believe that the government continues to eliminate, piece by piece, those fundamental rights the Founders fought for, and then embodied in the Constitution, almost 230 years ago.

Note: There is an article, written by Ryan Payne, posted today, at “Bundy Affair (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1715)“. It includes some discussion of the events related to the Burns event.

[monty]

John Lamb's cideo report on the Malheur Protest trial Oct. 13


http://youtu.be/L4r9RqTGgeg

https://youtu.be/L4r9RqTGgeg

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Oregon Live Governor knew occupiers were going to John Day in mid-January

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/concerns_about_refuge_occupier.html

http://image.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width40/img/avatars/4406.png (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/index.html)By Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html)
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on October 13, 2016 at 7:02 PM, updated October 13, 2016 at 7:30 PM


Concerns about refuge occupiers heading to Grant County reached Gov. Brown's office in mid-January

A Jan. 15 email between staffers in Gov. Kate Brown's office reveals there was concern about the occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge heading to Grant County.

One Grant County commissioner even suggested to the governor's natural resources liaison that the open road on U.S. 395 between the two counties would be a good spot to arrest them.

Eleven days later, state police and federal agents moved in and conducted a high-risk felony stop on a Jeep and white Dodge truck carrying Ammon Bundy and other leaders of the occupation as they were driving to a community meeting in John Day, located in Grant County. Ammon Bundy and several co-defendants were arrested there.

Ammon Bundy's lawyer Marcus Mumford wanted to introduce the email as evidence in their defense case.

Read the email between two members of Gov. Kate Brown's office (http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/10/13/emails.pdf)

Mumford argued Thursday that it showed that authorities knew in mid-January that the aim of the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge was to spread a political message, not to interfere with federal employees at the federal bird sanctuary.

Prosecutors objected to the email being offered, citing it as hearsay evidence and irrelevant. They've argued there's no suggestion that the information shared in the email factored into any of the planning that was involved in the arrests of the occupiers.

U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown ruled that the email cannot be presented to the jury.
The email, provided by Ammon Bundy's lawyer to The Oregonian/OregonLive, is written by Brett Brownscombe, the natural resources liaison in the governor's office, to Heidi Moawad, the governor's public safety liaison.

Brownscombe shared with Moawad his conversations with Harney County commissioner Steve Grasty, commonly called Judge Grasty

"Judge Grasty flagged that local militia/occupiers had been heading over to Grant Co. to make visits with people there and potentially establish and (sic) occupation,'' the email read. "He is very concerned about exponential growth of occupations in other counties.''

Brownscombe wrote that he also spoke with Grant County commissioner Boyd Britton to find out what information he had learned.

Britton had informed Brownscombe that the refuge occupiers had visited his county at least twice, including a meeting with Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer over lunch, the email said. Some in the Grant County community were already "agitating in ways that support the Bundy occupation,'' Britton reportedly told Brownscombe.

"Grant Co. Sheriff Glenn Palmer is potentially highly sympathetic to the occupiers/Bundy message,'' Brownscombe wrote of Britton's observations.

Britton was concerned, Brownscombe wrote, that if Ammon Bundy and his supporters attempted to occupy a government property in Grant County, such as the courthouse or a U.S. Forest Service office, it was possible the local sheriff would not enforce the law.

Brownscombe wrote of his concern that the occupiers might use the upcoming Martin Luther King Jr. Day "to make a new kind of civil rights statement.''

He also passed along an idea offered by Grant County commissioner Britton:
"There is a lot of open road traveling between Harney and Grant Co. Doesn't it seem like an opportunity for law enforcement to stop the occupiers on their way and make some arrests?''

Britton's also had questioned who would have the authority to step in and assert a law enforcement role if Grant County sheriff refused to enforce the law, the email said.

Ammon Bundy's lawyers had subpoenaed both Brownscombe and Moawad to testify, but the judge isn't expected to allow them to take the stand.

The government is expected to agree to a stipulation that doesn't go beyond the fact that the governor's office never responded to Ammon Bundy's "redress of grievances.''

-- Maxine Bernstein
mbernstein@oregonian.com
503-221-8212 (tel:503-221-8212)
@maxoregonian (http://gold-silver.us/forum/safari-reader://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/"https://twitter.com/maxoregonian)

[monty]

Todd Macfarlane Oct. 13, Malheur Protest trial.

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/29/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-continues-part-2-the-defense-case/

DAY 18 — Thursday, October 13, 2016

Today, the Defense called four witnesses, including Sheriff Richard Mack, Former FBI Agent Charles Stephenson, Shawna Cox, and Becky Kingen, from Fields, Oregon.

Sheriff Mack testified that he had several conversations with Ammon Bundy and told him that in his opinion, the occupation was misguided, and the occupiers should do something different, and should leave the Refuge. He also testified that he talked to Sheriff David Ward at least twice before the occupation began on January 2, 2016, and strongly encouraged him to do something to help the Hammonds. He said that in his opinion, Ward was derilect in his duties as county sheriff, and as far as he was concerned Ward should have arrested Ammon for trespass, and dealt with it at the county level.

Agent Stephenson testified as a firearms expert. He said that he did not observe any firearms at the Refuge that were not either secure or at rest. He did not observe any improper use, display or handling of firearms at the Refuge.

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Defendant Shawna Cox also testified. The most significant aspect of her testimony was that she was able to play the recording from her cell phone from inside LaVoy Finicum’s truck when she and the other defendants were arrestedd, and Finicum was killed. The prosecution and Judge Brown had been working hard to keep out any reference to LaVoy Finicum and his shooting death out of the case, but it all came in today with Shawna Cox’s recording. Many court observers have stated that Judge Brown suddenly seems more humble, or resigned than she has ever been in this case.

The final witness of the day was Becky Kingen. She said she took her 11 year-old son to the refuge to interview Ryan Bundy for a school report. He wanted to do the report “because they seem like people just like we are.”

Side Note: I have met young Monty Kingen. He attends the (K-8) one-room school in Fields, along with about 12 other students. I would like to read the report he wrote about the occupation.

Will be on Rural Route with Trent Loos tomorrow morning to discuss the trial, and from what I understand, Harney County ranch woman, Erin Maupin, may be joining us. We’ll post a link to the discussion.

For contrasting perspectives and reporting, you can also follow Maxine Bernstein for OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html), and Conrad Wilson for Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-malheur-refuge-trashed-testimony/), Bundy Court Sketches on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/bundycourtsketch/), John Lamb on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/john.lamb.16121?fref=ts), Gary Hunt at Outpost for Freedom (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/) and Redoubt News (http://redoubtnews.com/).

At RANGEFIRE! we believe in the need for alternative voices to mainstream media commentary and coverage of these issues.

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I think this is Monty Kingen at the Refuge being interviewed by Pete Santilli.

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What to expect at the Malheur Protest trial today

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[monty]

15 paid informants at the refuge. The government may be forced to identify all.


Sarah Redd Buck

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Trial update:
Confirmed in court AGAIN for all those gullible people out there that MARK MCCONNELL WAS A PAID INFORMANT.

He is good at what he does so he has convinced many that he isn't EVEN after it was said twice in court. SMH but again in court, for the third time, it was confirmed today that MARK MCCONNELL WAS A PAID INFORMANT.

Also Terri Linnell. I guess At least she has taken responsibility. He never will. He says by the time he is done with me, I won't even have enough money to buy ice cream. He has done a pretty good job at trying to destroy me, my character, and my name. But I believe it's important that the truth is known even if I have to suffer and sacrifice. The truth is important. The safety of others is important. Why is it important? So that no other American and/or their family has to suffer again by being set up by any of these 15 ever again.

There are 15 of them and legally the rest of the names will have to be released or the charges will have to be dropped. With the amount of informants that there were you can't conspire with an informant and that is what the charge is. The judge is hesitant to release the names but Ammon's attorney is fighting and pushing very sternly that legally the names HAVE to be released so we can confirm which reports belongs to who OR the charges need to be dropped. Those are the options. Very possible that by the end of court today those other names will have been released. Stay tuned. Also watch John Lamb (https://www.facebook.com/john.lamb.16121)s update on David Fry taking the stand and what came out during that.

By the end of this trial we will probably see that the government conspired with themselves to set up good American people!! And just like those FBI agents that lied 3xs about firing shots that murdered LaVoy Finicum are still roaming free, those who conspired against good Americans will also probably roam free. This is our reality right here in America folks! Are you awake yet?




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[monty]

Something humble and sincere in the court today
https://www.facebook.com/WithChastity/posts/1710018269321179
Claud R. Franklin (https://www.facebook.com/rickkoerber?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE&fref=nf)3 hrs (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10211027232780531&set=a.1233746367564.36844.1346314773&type=3) ·
Awesome.
Today, in court, something so humble and sincere that you probably have never seen before.

As witness Duane Schrock (Harney County, OR) rancher concluded his testimony in the USA v. Ammon Bundy trial, the witness left the stand and walked over to the table where Defendant Ammon Bundy was seated and humbly handed him his hat. The US Marshalls immediately swooped in and took the hat.

As Mr. Schrock left the court room, the question was put to him why he had done it. He responded that he had given his hat to "the only many who deserved it."

Once in a while in life, humble statements are witnessed that speak louder than almost all other things. God Bless men like Duane Schrock and Ammon Bundy.

- Lisa Bundy Angie Huntington Bundy Carol Bundy (https://www.facebook.com/carol.bundy.3)

[monty]

Oregon Live's Maxine Bernstein Malhuer Protest Trial Oct. 14

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/15_confidential_sources_fed_fb.html

http://image.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width40/img/avatars/4406.png (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/index.html)By Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive (http://connect.oregonlive.com/staff/mabernst/posts.html)
Email the author | Follow on Twitter (http://twitter.com/maxoregonian)
on October 14, 2016 at 3:38 PM, updated October 14, 2016 at 5:35 PM


15 confidential sources fed FBI info from Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

The FBI had 15 confidential sources feeding them information from their contacts with occupiers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, a prosecutor confirmed in court Friday.

Ammon Bundy's lawyer Marcus Mumford is urging the court to compel prosecutors to identify their informants before the defense rests its case in the federal conspiracy trial against his client and six co-defendants.

"We're being prosecuted based on the collective actions of others,'' Mumford argued.

Defense lawyers, he said, don't know what these confidential sources "did or how they contributed'' to the alleged conspiracy during the 41-day armed takeover of the federal bird sanctuary in eastern Oregon.

Two of the 15 have been identified through trial as Mark McConnell, who was driving the Jeep when Ammon Bundy was arrested on Jan. 26, and Terri Linnell, who was called as a witness by the defense.

U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown asked the government to provide her with unredacted reports from the 15 informants. Each is formally described by the FBI as a "CHS'' or confidential human source.

Defense lawyers had received heavily redacted reports on the sources, and their identities were unknown.
Brown later Friday learned that there are 129 reports stemming from the sources that she plans to review over the weekend before ruling whether to grant Mumford's motion to compel release of the sources' names or other information.

In other action Friday, the defense called Crane rancher Duane Schrock, who testified that FBI agent Ben Jones visited his ranch.

Schrock, who had been subpoenaed to appear as a defense witness, testified that he felt intimidated by Jones.

"He was asking if there was something that I saw and wanted me to say that I saw it,'' Schrock said.
Schrock said he had visited the refuge at least three times a week and brought other ranchers to attend presentations on "the Constitution and their rights.''

Until occupation leader Ammon Bundy came to Harney County, Schrock said, "I stuck my head in the sand,'' and was living a quiet life.

Schrock, selected to serve as a member of the Committee of Safety formed in Harney County, said he encouraged Bundy to stay in the county.

The defense also called Timothy Puckett Jr. to testify. Puckett works on his father's ranch about a quarter-mile east of the refuge. It was a fence bordering the Puckett ranch that Bundy and others cut down during the occupation.

Puckett, testifying via a video feed from a friend's home in Burns, said Ammon Bundy and older brother Ryan Bundy had visited him and he considered them friends. He said the Bundys had permission to be on their property and that a farm hand gave them permission to cut a couple of T-posts from the fence. He said the fence was in poor shape from an earlier flood.

During cross-examination, Assistant U.S. Attorney Ethan Knight quickly pointed out that the fence was the property of the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service.

"So you couldn't have given authority to cut that fence'' even if you did?
"No,'' Puckett acknowledged.

The jury was sent home about 2:30 p.m. Friday. Testimony is expected to resume Monday morning. The case likely will be sent to the jury sometime late next week.

A motion to quash a subpoena from defendant Ryan Bundy seeking documents and donation information from the nonprofit the Friends of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is pending before the court.

-- Maxine Bernstein
mbernstein@oregonian.com
503-221-8212 (tel:503-221-8212)
@maxoregonian (http://gold-silver.us/forum/safari-reader://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/"https://twitter.com/maxoregonian)

[monty]

Shari Dovale Redoubt News Oct. 13 Malheur Protest trial "The Corruption Continues!

http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/13/malheur-7-corruption-continues/

Malheur 7 – The Corruption Continues!

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Malheur 7 – The Corruption Continues!

By Shari Dovale

After 2 days off this week for holidays, Judge Brown resumed the case of the Malheur Protest Trial and made every effort to speed up the defense case to conclusion.

Firearms expert, Charles Stephenson, took the witness stand early to explain to the court the proper way to hold and secure weapons. Marcus Mumford, Ammon Bundy’s attorney, showed him a series of photos and videos entered into evidence by the prosecution. Stephenson explained through each item that the people depicted in them were using proper firearms training techniques and weapons handling. There should be nothing threatening by any of them.

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Sheriff Mack in Burns, OR

Aheriff Richard Mack, President of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/02/26/constitutional-sheriff-crucial-election/)) took the stand next. He testified that he knew Cliven Bundy from his days fighting the Brady Bill (https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/95-1478.ZO.html), and meeting Ammon in April 2014, when a standoff took place between citizens and the BLM in Bunkerville, NV. Calling Deputy Tom Roberts a hero for being instrumental in a peaceful resolution to that event was enough to get the prosecutors scrambling in objections, which of course Judge Brown sustained.

Mack also discussed how he made several attempts to talk to Sheriff David Ward (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/03/skittish-sheriff-turns-burns-warzone/) about protecting Dwight and Steven Hammond from going back to prison. Though Ward admitted that he did not think the Hammonds should go back to prison, he was not interested in standing up for these citizens (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/02/26/constitutional-sheriff-crucial-election/) and chose instead to quit accepting Mack’s phone calls.

Sheriff Mack got emotional when he talked about the occupation of the Refuge. Mack told Ammon to get out of the Refuge, as he believed it to be a misguided protest where someone was sure to get hurt. Ammon responded to him saying that he had “never felt so strongly about something in my life.” Ammon felt that he had been inspired by God.

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Malheur Protest Trial defendant, Shawna Cox. Photo: Redoubt News

Shawna Cox took the stand and was one of the few witnesses to swear “So Help Me God.” She and her side counsel, Tiffany Harris, presented the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEswP_HSFV4) that Shawna took on January 26, 2016. From inside LaVoy Finicum’s truck, the jurors saw the tense final moments of LaVoy’s life and the fear that the rest of the passengers felt that day.

Shawna took several moments after the video played to collect herself, as many of us did in the audience. The prosecution made every attempt to twist the facts, implying that Shawna knew that Ryan Bundy had a small handgun. Judge Brown allowed the prosecution multiple attempts to trick Shawna into changing her testimony that she didn’t know the gun was there.

Even after the defense objected to the same question being asked over and over again, all Judge Brown would do was say, “He is entitled on cross to test the witnesses response.” However, when Ryan Bundy asked, “The right to self defense can be considered the first law of nature, right?” Judge Brown admonished him for being argumentative.

It did not end there. Ryan asked, “Do you have the right to keep and bear arms?” Judge Brown, again, got upset and said the statement called for a legal opinion. “You know better than to keep asking these questions!” she reminded him.

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Kenneth Medenbach

Judge Brown was obviously shaken up when Kenneth Medenbach questioned Shawna. “Mrs. Cox, are you aware that the jury (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/08/12/michele-fiore-jury-nullification/) has the inherent power to judge both the law and the facts in this case?” Medenbach asked her before the judge shut him down. Judge Brown actually used the phrase “jury nullification (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/01/04/jury-nullification-why-it-is-important-shari-dovale/)” in front of the jury and said “You MUST accept the ruling of the court!”

Judge Brown thought she was having a good day chopping the defense case to sheds until these questions got passed her. However, she is still on the warpath for the defense (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/10/malheur-7-examining-prosecution-evidence/). She has cut their witness list from about 24 people to just a handful, claiming that they don’t need the repetitive witnesses.

Brown has been micro-managing the defense case (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/11/excitement-courtroom-malheur-7/), by telling them who they can call and who they cannot call as witnesses. Additionally, she tells them what questions they can ask each witness. They have a potentially explosive witness coming up tomorrow, however, Judge Brown has already started shutting down that testimony. She does not want anything to interfere with the conviction she is working for.

As Kenneth Medenbach stated loudly in court today, “The Corruption Continues!”

[monty]

Video of Ryan Payne shot with less than lethal round.


http://youtu.be/AJFE18K84Vw

https://youtu.be/AJFE18K84Vw

[monty]

John Lamb video Oct. 14 AM court session


http://youtu.be/3CfBGtAyfBM

https://youtu.be/3CfBGtAyfBM

John Lamb video Oct. 14 PM court session


http://youtu.be/XqXHpRCTq04

https://youtu.be/XqXHpRCTq04

[monty]

Todd Macfarlane Oct. 14 report on the Malheur Protest trial. He didn't put a header between Oct. 13 and 14. I may have a little overlap.

http://rangefire.us/2016/09/29/ongoing-oregon-standoff-trial-continues-part-2-the-defense-case/

Will be on Rural Route with Trent Loos tomorrow morning to discuss the trial, and from what I understand, Harney County ranch woman, Erin Maupin, may be joining us. We’ll post a link to the discussion.

Erin Maupin joins Todd Macfarlane and Trent Loos on Rural Route Radio for the weekly recap. (http://trent69050.podomatic.com/entry/2016-10-14T08_07_25-07_00)

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“Anti-Poot” Protester Surrounded by Scary, Threatening, Intimidating, Militant, Anti-Government Extremist, Pocket Constitution-flashing, “Poot Supporters.”


“The media is supposed to be the bulldog for the people. Instead they are the lapdog for the government”…David Fry



Maxine Berstein provided a great summary of David Fry’s testimony: (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/oregon_standoff_holdout_david.html)


If he had checked his text messages sooner, David Fry would have left the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and joined occupation spokesman Robert “LaVoy” Finicum on a trip to a community meeting that ended when Finicum was fatally shot during a police stop.


Fry, the fifth defendant to take the witness stand in the federal conspiracy trial of seven refuge occupiers, spoke calmly and clearly Friday, a marked contrast to his highly publicized rants in the hours before his tense surrender to FBI agents on Feb. 11. He even chuckled a few times, including when he described when he videotaped ground squirrels at the refuge that looked different than the tree-climbing ones he’d seen in his home state of Ohio.

Holding up his right hand as he took the oath to testify truthfully, Fry, wearing a blue sweater and green pants, responded, “I do so help me Jehovah.”

Fry said Finicum had sent him a text message on the morning of Jan. 26, inviting him to travel with him and others to help film the meeting they had planned to attend in John Day, about 100 miles from the refuge.

“I missed that message,” Fry said.

When he spotted it about four hours later, he wrote back, “Was it too late to go with you guys?”

“I never got a response back,” Fry said.

Fry said Finicum was the only person he had known at the eastern Oregon bird sanctuary when he arrived Jan. 8. He drove four days from Ohio to the refuge partly because he was interested in meeting Finicum, who he had been following on YouTube. With $700 and a backpack holding his camera, laptop and phone, he thought going to the refuge would give him a good chance to get out of the house and see what the protest was all about.
He described the occupation as a Martin Luther King Jr.-type sit-in and said it was the first protest he ever participated in.

“I did not think it was illegal,” Fry testified. “I thought it was an abandoned federal facility … no warning to not go out there. No one was trying to stop anybody from going there.”
Fry, who had his own YouTube channel, also said he thought the refuge occupation would give him the opportunity to share his concerns about radiation from Fukushima, Japan, and his anti-abortion views.

“I didn’t agree with the way government is managing anything lately,” he said. “At the time I really had no knowledge of this public land issue.”

Fry said he assumed the occupation involved the U.S. Bureau of Land Management and had no idea the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service ran the property until his arrest. He suspected the refuge employees were initially on vacation and later were told not to report to work, he said.
Fry testified that he never hacked into any refuge employee’s computer, but simply plugged his flash drive into refuge worker Ryan Curtis’ computer so he could more easily compress long videos. He also spent his time at the refuge chopping wood, cleaning dishes and taking videos of wildlife, he said.

At one point, Fry said he was turned off by the anti-Muslim sentiment of two or three people at the refuge and scribbled a handwritten note on Jan. 23 that he was going to leave.
“Hello everyone,” the note started. “I’m sorry I couldn’t stick around as long as I wanted. I just feel like there isn’t much for me to do. Never should I have cared. Caring is my weakness. With it I will go. Bye! You can have all my stuff.”

Fry said he later realized he was overreacting and decided to stay.

He described the atmosphere at the refuge as calm, happy, and even “merry” before Finicum’s shooting death. But once the occupiers who remained behind at the refuge learned of the shooting, it “became absolutely chaotic,” he said.

On Jan. 26, state police and FBI agents stopped Finicum’s truck and a Jeep carrying refuge takeover leader Ammon Bundy with a handful of other key occupation figures along U.S. 395 on the way to John Day. Bundy gave up immediately, but Finicum took off in his truck and ran it into a snow bank. Troopers shot him as he got out and reached inside his jacket, where investigators later found a loaded 9mm pistol inside his left jacket pocket, according to police.

Ammon Bundy and his older brother, Ryan Bundy, are on trial with Fry and four others on a charge that they conspired to stop federal employees from doing their jobs at the refuge through force, intimidation or threats.

Fry said he feared the FBI would head to the refuge to confront the remaining occupiers.
He and others packed their things, but he said he felt compelled to remain.

“I was the last one there who had camera skills. I felt more of a duty to stay behind,” Fry said. I wanted to be able to document and show to the outside people how it went down.”
They moved their belongings to the west encampment, which they named “Camp Finicum.” He said he spoke frequently with FBI agents, but didn’t trust them.

At one point, his phone service was cut off, and the FBI alerted him they had left a flip phone on the seat of an excavator truck parked at the refuge front gate.

On the evening of Feb. 10, Fry said he was riding around on a four-wheeler when he noticed about eight armored Bear Cat FBI vehicles move in. He rushed back to the camp to alert the other three remaining people, Jeff Banta, Sean Anderson and Sandra Anderson. They put up logs around their camp and hung string with bottles and cans attached around their tent to alert them to FBI agents, “so you’d hear them coming,” he said.

There was a heightened sense of paranoia, he said, because he thought agents were watching them with drones and cameras.

“I was a little bit losing my mind in a sense … I don’t think I was being crazy but maybe not completely sane,” Fry said.

Looking back at his last moments at the refuge, he said, “It’s actually quite embarrassing to be honest. At the time I really thought I was going to die.”

Though the FBI said people could leave the refuge, Fry testified that he didn’t feel comfortable leaving without everyone going as well. He said agents told Sean Anderson that he would be detained and charged.

Fry also feared that he’d be sexually assaulted in custody.

“I was not willing to leave unless everyone was willing to leave – again I was the only one with this camera,” he testified. “I was thinking it’s probably better to die than to be raped for the next 11 years or something.”

Fry said he didn’t bring a firearm to the refuge and only picked up a shotgun after learning of Finicum’s death.

He acknowledged that he told an FBI agent that he would take as many of them out as possible if they attacked, but he said he likely would never have fired at any one.
“I just don’t feel comfortable at killing somebody. It’s something that goes against my religious beliefs,” he said, describing himself as “Judeo-Christian.”

“Everyone wants to go home at the end of the day.”

Fry credited FBI negotiator Marc Maxwell for convincing him to give up.
Maxwell told him that the “Big Bubba stuff is Hollywood” and that dangerous violent criminals are segregated from the general population. “That reassured me that there wasn’t really anything to worry about,” Fry said.

Why did he ask the agents to say “Hallelujah” upon his surrender?
“If they were willing to say it, they’d be less evil people in my mind,” Fry said.
Fry said he was more comfortable with his recent diagnosis by a forensic psychologist that he suffered from schizotypal personality disorder.

“I don’t want to consider it a mental illness,” he said. “I sometimes like to believe what I hear is an angel. … I don’t want to think of it as a disease.”

During cross-examination, Assistant U.S. Attorney Ethan Knight noted the more than 16,000 rounds of ammunition at the refuge and asked Fry, “Is it still your opinion this was an Martin Luther King-styled sit in?”

“I still considered it as a sit-in,” Fry responded, adding that the guns were present out of fear of a FBI-type Waco, Texas, attack.

Knight established that Fry slept in a refuge office building, worked at an employee’s desk, was using a refuge worker’s computer even if he hadn’t hacked into its hard drive and provided support to Finicum and co-defendant Shawna Cox on their protest-related videos.
Knight asked if it was Fry’s testimony that he never held a gun at the refuge until after Finicum’s shooting.

“I held one, but I wasn’t possessing it,” Fry responded. He said later he held a handgun momentarily.

During the final days of the occupation, “Didn’t you tell the FBI it’s not going to end peacefully?” Knight asked.

“I did,” Fry said. “I really thought they were going to come in and attack us.”
But if a federal employees from the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service walked in, “you would have let them go to work?” Knight asked.

“Yes,” Fry said, explaining that’s why he and the other three holdouts moved away from the refuge buildings to the west encampment the last two weeks.

“We weren’t trying to occupy anything anymore,” he said.

— Maxine Bernstein



Week 5 Recap


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[monty]

David Fry testifies.


http://youtu.be/xN6vBxUcvjY

https://youtu.be/xN6vBxUcvjY

[monty]

Keli Stewart's video re David Fry's testimony

https://www.facebook.com/groups/237360123055985/permalink/604323779692949/


Teresa Brookshire shared Kelli Stewart's live video.

8 hrs (https://www.facebook.com/groups/237360123055985/permalink/604323779692949/)
Extensive coverage of David Fry's testimony.

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Kelli Stewart was live.13 hrs (https://www.facebook.com/100011813922844/videos/195003240903472/)
Detailed report of David Fry's time on the witness stand 10/14/16
I forgot to mention that David planned to be at refuge for a few days and then head to his brother's house in CA to visit on his way home. He stated his brother is in the military as his employment.

Now on youtube


http://youtu.be/RCsI657GmTs

[monty]

Kelli Stewart Oct. 13 30 minute video


http://youtu.be/gNl2br4grE0

https://youtu.be/gNl2br4grE0

[monty]

Wittness Tampering by FBI - Malheur 7. This trial has certainly exposed the depths of the corruption in our federal government.

http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/15/witness-tampering-fbi/
Shari Dovale Redoubt News

Witness Tampering by the FBI – Malheur 7

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Witness Tampering by the FBI

by Shari Dovale (http://redoubtnews.com/?s=Shari+Dovale)

Duane Schrock took the witness stand on Friday to testify for the defense in the Malheur Protest Trial (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/10/malheur-7-examining-prosecution-evidence/) currently being held in Portland. Schrock, a rancher from Crane, Oregon took the stand affirming to tell the truth “As God is my witness.”

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Rancher Duane Schrock waits outside the Hatfield Federal Courthouse in Portland. Photo: Redoubt News

Schrock testified that FBI Agent Ben Jones (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/13/malheur-7-corruption-continues/) visited him one day after Jones testified for the prosecution. Schrock told Jones that he did not want to talk, however, Jones pressured him to testify to things he did not see.

Agent Jones, a member of the Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS), also known as the Mormon Church, testified previously that he and another Mormon agent had gone to the LDS Church in Burns partly to see if the Bundy’s were recruiting members there. He testified they attended “in part to see what you were doing but also to worship.”

“He was asking if there was something that I saw and wanted me to say that I saw it,” Schrock said. Testimony also confirmed that Jones wanted him to say that he saw someone in the watchtower and that Ammon Bundy was the “Leader” of the occupation.

Schrock was nominated as a member of the “Committee of Safety” at the December 15th meeting in Burns. When asked if he participated in the January 2nd rally and parade, he responded that he “absolutely did! They [the Hammonds] are my friends and neighbors.”

Schrock also testified to a meeting he took part in that discussed a video of the Hammond fire and the BLM setting other fires. Additionally, Schrock told of the BLM having a “shredder truck” at their office in Burns to shred documents.

Schrock told the court that Agent Jones wanted him to testify to “all the guns” but Schrock admitted that he did not see them during his multiple visits to the Refuge. “I saw one long gun,” he said. The rancher visited the refuge at least 3 times a week during the month of January.

“I felt intimidated,” Schrock said in court. He said that he felt the FBI (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/11/excitement-courtroom-malheur-7/) were trying to coerce certain testimony from him. He also said that he has had ramifications in his personal and business dealings since he was listed as a defense witness in this case.

As Schrock was leaving the witness stand, he placed his cowboy hat on the table in front of Ammon Bundy. It was delivered back to him a few minutes later.

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Shari Dovale, Redoubt News, "Confidential Informants in the Malheur Protest Trial"
Ryan Bundy had filed a motion over a month ago, now the judge is back-pedaling
Ryan Bundy filed a motion over a month ago that requested this very information. Judge Anna Brown denied that motion, and only now is explaining to him that he (basically) filed it incorrectly.


http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/15/confidential-informants-malheur-trial/

Confidential Informants in the Malheur Protest Trial


“GOVERNMENT CANNOT CREATE THE PROBLEM AND THEN DENY ME A SOLUTION,” MUMFORD SAID.

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Confidential Informants in the Malheur Protest Trial

by Shari Dovale (http://redoubtnews.com/?s=Shari+Dovale)

Marcus Mumford argued this week that the prosecution should reveal the names of the 15 Confidential Human Sources (CHS) used by the FBI in the Malheur Protest Trial.

The court contends that there is an initial privilege for the government to withhold identities. However, this contradicts the basic Constitutional right (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/15/witness-tampering-fbi/) of the defendants to face their accusers.

There are 15 CHS, or confidential informants, and 129 reports from these sources that are in question. The defense received heavily redacted copies of the reports with numbers assigned to each informant and one report being completely blocked out.

Two of the informants have already been named. Mark McConnell (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/09/21/mcconnell-outed-government-informant/) was named by Oregon State Police Trooper Jeremiah Beckett during his testimony of the illegal traffic stop that lead to the murder of LaVoy Finicum on January 26th. Terri Linnell (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/11/excitement-courtroom-malheur-7/), also known as ‘Momma Bear’ at the Malheur Refuge, testified for the defense last week.

It is a concern that the informants actually coerced defendants into committing offenses, and may have taken part in what the government is calling a conspiracy. The court has stated that, “By definition, you cannot be a member of the conspiracy if you are a Confidential Informant.” However, Confidential Informants cannot knowingly break the law.

Therefore, with so many informants on the payroll in this case, the defendants should have the opportunity to explore if any of the informants were in a position to take part in this conspiracy.

Not only has there been evidence admitted in this trial that cannot be positively identified as belonging to the defendants, like many of the guns, there have been statements made by the government in which they admit the informants took part in leadership and/or organizational meetings. This puts some major constitutional violations in play.

“Government cannot create the problem and then deny me a solution,” Mumford said.

Added to the problem is that Ryan Bundy filed a motion over a month ago that requested this very information. Judge Anna Brown denied that motion, and only now is explaining to him that he (basically) filed it incorrectly. Ryan is representing himself in this trial.

The defendants are looking to have the names of the informants, as well as the information they relayed and the amounts they were paid, turned over to the defense before the case is completed, expected this week (http://redoubtnews.com/2016/10/13/malheur-7-corruption-continues/).

[monty]

That was a good interview.^ I've listened to it twice now and i also followed the link to the Panama papers information in the comments. I'll probably listen to it again because the more I listen to it the clearer it becomes. It all makes sense to me and is what I would expect the criminals running our government would do.

I believe as they say there were many infiltrators around the patriots and there still are. The Bundys were set up to provide a case for dealing with other patriots in the future.

Anyone who resists the traitors who are in control of the government will be dealt with as the Bundys and Lavoy Finicum were. Murdered or imprisoned like they were in Ukraine in the early 1930's when the communist/Bolshevik/Jews collectivized the farms.

As the trial progresses your beliefs are being supported by facts. Maybe we will learn the identity of the informants and what part they played in setting Ammon Bundy up. The Bundy's have been monitored by the FBI continuosly since or before April 2014. LaVoy Finicum was on their list and when his message got too much attention they silenced him with murder.

I think when Ammon Bundy began his investigation into what happened with the Hammonds and they ignored his redress for grievances and other pleas for answers, he planned the protest for Hammonds. Then these planted informants along with the FBI, Dave Ward, Steve Grasty, the BLM manger and the Fish and Wildlife manager set him up with an empty wildlife reserve, heat on, keys on the desk etc.

There are times when I look at some of these facbook pages related to LaVoy Finicum or the Bundys (I don't log in because I am not a facebook user) this iPad battery gets very warm and discharges rapidly.

[monty]

Sarah Redd-Buck tells about her contact with Mark McConnell.

https://www.facebook.com/sarah.reddbuck/posts/10157621429210319


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BuckYesterday at 11:18am (https://www.facebook.com/sarah.reddbuck/posts/10157621429210319)

I had several months of constant phone contact with Mark McConnell after LaVoy was murdered. I have given a lot of this information that Mark gave me to the current political prisoners in trial now and I know a lot of the info has helped immensely. Those who go to trial in February if you would like any of this info please let me know. Jake Ryan (Roxsanna Ryan) he talked particularly a lot about you and after he was "arrested and let go" how he was at the FBI check point with Barbara Berg and the events that happened that particular night. How he and Barbara Berg were allowed to go back and forth from the FBI checkpoint and their interaction with you. Anyways, any info I can share that will help I am more than happy to.

If Ryan Payne is able to withdraw his plea lots of info provided by Mark regarding Ryan Payne. He talked a lot about his hate for Ryan Payne, Jason Patrick, and Blaine Cooper.

Jeanette also a lot of info on the day and during when LaVoy was murdered. How it took almost an hour for an ambulance to arrive and that ambulance went to Ryan, not LaVoy. A lot of information. How all guns were left at the refuge that day. That he was the only one armed because he always is armed. He said LaVoy was wearing a bullet proof vest that day. Who knows what info is true and what is not.

He talked about why he went there, where he stayed, what his responsibilities were, why he went a second time, where he slept, the night the sharps arrived, who he met there, about his guns, how good his shot is, and how he isnt afraid to use them . How he and Melissa's goal was to bring down cows and Michele Fiore. How they are the ones who set everyone up and use Mark as the escape goat. We now know that was a lie. He talked a lot about Jason Blomgren (that info was given to Jason), a conversation that happened with Ryan Payne with booda present. Ect. Ect

He and Melissa Laughter (MD) had daily contact with each other and they both spoke freely and openly with me until they found out I was on Ammon's legal team and at that point They halted all communication with me and that is when the attacks against me started.

[monty]

This is a 3 3/4 hour video of various clips from this Chaos News youtube channel. I don't particularly like his channel. He uses a synthetic voice to read documents and himself not a good speaker. There are some interesting clips and there are some interesting exchanges by telephone between Gary Hunt and Brandon Curtis and another recording of Ryan Payne telling about his meetings with Hammonds and Sheriff Ward etc.

Informants living high on the government payroll


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[monty]

Gary Hunt, Outpost of Freedom. "shall have the right . . . .

« The Bundy Affair #18 – Sheriff Wehrly v. CCA and the feds? (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1726)


Burns Chronicles No 34 – “shall enjoy the right… to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor” (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1731)

October 17, 2016, 10:41 am
Burns Chronicles No 34
“shall enjoy the right… to have
compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor

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Outpost of Freedom
October 17, 2016

As I watch these events unfold, I often compare them to the Constitution, as it is written — so that any man could understand it. But, when I try to fit the puzzle pieces into that image of what our Founding Fathers envisioned for us, they just don’t seem to fit.

The had decades of experience of the British government, whether Parliament or the Ministers, slowly encroaching upon their historical rights. So, when it came time to leave the Articles of Confederation behind, and to form a new limited government under the Constitution, they reflected on those encroachments, and both within the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, provided such limitations as they saw fit. Their purpose was to exclude any governmental authority that could subordinate those rights.

In this instance, the amendment that we should concern ourselves with is the Sixth. It reads:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused [not defendant] shall enjoy the right… to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor.

Putting that aside for a moment, we need to consider a couple of phrases that are probably well recognized, with regard to legal proceedings. First is “preponderance of evidence“, which is most often associated with civil actions, where there is not a crime, rather, a determination of which side is most likely to be correct in their claims.Next is “beyond a reasonable doubt“. Now, this is only applicable to criminal cases and requires that the jury is unanimous in their determination of the guilt of the accused party. However, this doesn’t mean that when a criminal trial has “facts” that are in question, that the preponderance method shouldn’t be applied.Let’s look at it this way.

Suppose Witness “A” says that the Accused did something, and then Witness “B” says that they did not. Both are supposed to be relying on their personal knowledge, though there is always the question of the interpretation of an observation. Now, with both “A” and “B” providing conflicting “facts”, which shall the jury accept as proof? Suppose, however, that there were a number of other observers to those facts. Let’s say that we have Witnesses “C”, “D”, “E”, “F”, & “G”. Wouldn’t their testimony provide the jury the means to more readily make a determination as to what appears to be the correct “fact”?.

Now, equating that with the absolute right embodied in that Sixth Amendment, the “compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor“, we can easily understand what was intended. If there is no contest as to the facts, then perhaps no additional witnesses are necessary. However, the Amendment provides that you have the “compulsory” (required to be brought or asserted in a pleading because of having arisen from the occurrence that is the subject of litigation) right. So, if it is “required”, that is an imposition on the judiciary to assure that the right is recognized and secured. It is NOT a discretionary act of the judge; it is “compulsory“. To hell with what the Rules of Criminal Procedure might say to the contrary. How can a self-serving rule override the Constitution?

So, now we see both the role, and the necessity, of “preponderance of evidence“, as it applies to a criminal prosecution. And, we also see that the Founders contemplated such a perversion of justice in providing a means of preventing the government from pursuing the same course the British did.

Now, before we talk about the witnesses, we can first look at what excesses the government was allowed in their presentation of the government’s case. Remember, the government attorneys are all “working for a paycheck”. The Defendants are working for their future. The following is based upon hearsay. In the need to be able to provide a simple demonstration of the government’s deed during the trial, I relied on information from people that were present in Portland, though not present during the display of weapons and ammunition, they only heard about it. I trust that the details are close to the truth of the matter.

The government spent 5 hours over two days in a display that can be considered nothing less than “cumulative”. The paraded 22 long rifles and 12 handguns, it is easily presented to the jury that there were “twenty-two long guns and twelve handguns recovered at the Refuge. Since they couldn’t tie the weapons to individuals, they didn’t need to provide the detail that they did, on each weapon. Now, “they were found…” would be sufficient for the jury to know what was found where.

Then there was the ammunition they found. They could have simply stated that 18,000 rounds were found, and briefly explain where those rounds were found and what caliber they were. The jury should have no problem with that picture. Instead, the government spent hours discussing the guns and parading plastic containers of those 18,000 rounds in front of the jury. This was simply a display of exaggerating their performance to increase the juror’s emotional reaction to that evidence.

So, though the government has no “compulsory process“, the Court surely has no desire to diminish the theatrics of the process everybody had to endure.

When we look at what “compulsory process” has become, with regard to the Defendants, we get a different picture. They were denied the testimony of Governor Kate Brown, though she is the one that insisted on the federal government dealing with alleged criminal acts within state jurisdiction. They were denied FBI Special Agent Katherine Armstrong, who could testify as to how false information was included in the Criminal Complaint that was the foundation for the arrest warrants and subsequent Indictment. So, we will never know just how many fabrications were necessary to achieve the warrants and Indictment.

There were over 40 witnesses the Defendants wished to call “in [their] favor“. The judge has gone with the Prosecution’s arguments of “cumulative”, “irrelevant”, and even “hearsay”, when that testimony is of discussion that the potential witness had with some of the Defendants. It is such testimony that has made much of the government’s case. Only a handful of those witnesses called by the Defendants will be allowed to testify. And, when only one witness is allowed refute something a government witness has said, which one, “A” or “B”, will the jury rely upon during their deliberations?

Let’s add a rather interesting aspect to this whole scenario of witnesses. The government has admitted to having 15 informants involved in their investigation. However, only one of those informants has testified, and only one other has been identified but did not testify. So, we must wonder why the government paid people to be witnesses, then denies the Defendants the right to call those witnesses to testify.

Could those witnesses provide exculpatory testimony, demonstrating that what the Defendants claim to be the case really is what happened during those rather interesting days, while the citizens occupied the Refuge? Even more intriguing, would those informants be able to testify as to what their instructions were? Were they instructed to provoke or incite certain activity? What did they learn from their “handlers”?

However, unless Judge Brown allows that “compulsory process”, we will never know what might be kept from the jury.

What was the intention of the Founders? Was it to allow the Defendant that “compulsory process“, and then for the jury to decide as to relevance? Or, did they intend for a government appointed judge, being paid by that government, to determine relevance?

Let me quote from the Declaration of Independence:He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.Why would they have had such a grievance? Why would they have written the Sixth Amendment? Was it because their concerns were much like those that are suggested in the foregoing?

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[monty]

Ammon Bundy's Motion in Limine to gov't's rebuttl:

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[monty]

Shawna Cox motion to compell discovery regarding informant or agent:


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[monty]

Teresa Brookshire on Shawna Cox latest motion:


Teresa Brookshire shared The Oath's post (https://www.facebook.com/WithChastity/posts/1711916355798037).1 hr (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1717765141769695/permalink/1814371825442359/)







If this in fact was one of the informants, this screams entrapment and the government trying to escalate the situation rather than de-escalate it. ALL informants should be named. Good for you Shawna!

[monty]

Witness aka "John Killman" will take an attorney before testifying. Taking the fifth?

Kelli Stewart
added 10 new photos (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=196170850786711&id=100011813922844) — with Angie Huntington Bundy and Lisa Bundy.

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Note: John Killman (on MANY of your friends list) is talking to a court appointed attorney before taking the stand. What does he have to fear if he is going to tell the truth???

[monty]

From Maxine Brenstein twitter posted by Kelli Stewart
9 more screenshots at link

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[monty]

Ryan Bundy's filing re Vatican and jurisdiction 15 pages. I am not going to copy/paste them

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RYAN BUNDY
APOSTOLIC LETTER
ISSUED MOTU PROPRIO
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
FRANCIS
ON THE JURISDICTION OF JUDAICAL AUTHORITIES OF VATICAN STATE IN CRIMINAL MATTERS

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Mason Rosenberg The Vatican? I thought they were LDS? What does his mean?
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Judy Lee Vatican claims having authority over Americans via Washington D.C. Washington D.C. was created in order to make a trilateral whole; Vatican City, London and Washington D.C. The President of the United States is the Chief Executive Officer, and Congre...See More (https://www.facebook.com/WithChastity#)
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Judy Lee Ammon Bundy claimed as an LDS he follows his liberty as a free man. I am not sure how that makes him any different from any other American, except by the others' association with groups that are primarily believing and following the Vatican and Israel's Zionists, perhaps to hell (but the latter is personal conjecture).
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Judy Lee Not meaning offense but the Hebrew and Roman were the inventors of pay to play. And so is the Admiralty BAR such an organization, even though it is operating illegally on American soil but being allowed to by traitors in Washington D.C.. Notice Jesus...See More (https://www.facebook.com/WithChastity#)
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Judy Lee Maybe my observation proves more why we need Jesus. Maybe we need to pray for the hearts of the BAR if Ryan is thinking of invoking the Vatican. His doing so and being a Genitle myself, to me, it is somewhat scary.
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Eric Cheevers The Vatican? This looks like Sovereign Citizen gibberish.
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[monty]

Another filing by Ryan Bundy: United States foreclosed on 12/25/2012 Quo Warranto


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[monty]

Here are the documents referred to by "The Oath" Ryan Bundy filed:

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[monty]

Part 2 Ryan Bundy filing:

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[monty]

Ryan Bundy Apostolic Letter filing part 3:

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