The Constitution for the united States is still in operation. It has to be there as that is the only document that puts a foundation for their claim to power over the district of criminals.Quote:
Originally Posted by palani
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The Constitution for the united States is still in operation. It has to be there as that is the only document that puts a foundation for their claim to power over the district of criminals.Quote:
Originally Posted by palani
Not precisely. In law there is a concept called 'de facto' and a concept called 'de jure'. If a job needs to be done that is not anyone might step into the office to perform it. This is de facto. The acts of a de facto officer are valid but the job does not come with limited liability. The one who performs the act required has full liability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigjon
When all requirements of the job are met then it is held in a de jure manner. The limit to liability to the office holder is the value of his bond.
You attack de facto office holders by sending your sheriff a writ of quo warranto, commanding he drag in the miscreants body to your court to have his credentials examined. Likely the sheriff will not be aware of his duties and would likely not be de jure himself but .... what are your other options?
Where the concept of de facto and de jure fall through is when the office does not exist. If the office doesn't exist neither de jure nor de facto office holders need apply. Gravity can't hold them. They just float off into space.
Where is the legislation that removed the Constitution for the united States of America?Quote:
Originally Posted by palani
It is still there.
The defacto gov is a private entity pretending just enough to fool most of the people that it is the real gov.
It operates via contract, deception and trust law.
They dissolved the enterprise in July 1868 and came back the next day as a national government. However, before they adjourned they enacted THE ACT FOR THE PROTECTION OF AMERICANS IN FOREIGN STATES (aka THE EXPATRIATION ACT) and declared that you have the right to ignore them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigjon
They are all dead at this point. Others have stepped in. Yet these others have no authority to dissolve what another Congress has wrought. They pretend as if they can but don't have those sort of powers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigjon
It operates only on 'persons', never on 'peoples'. Your person is your actions, your words and your representation. You create each of these and if you don't like the current state of affairs then don't create a person to be controlled by it. Say nothing. Do nothing. Don't create agents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigjon
Neighbor v Neighbor Turns into People v. U.S. Government
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Update from Deb Jordan with Pete Santilli from the jail.
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A repost of the Bundy story with the comments from the description box.
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Published on Dec 9, 2016
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This message is from a Patriot on the ground in Vegas. I received it a couple of days ago.
There is a planning meeting tonight here in Vegas. Our team is getting together tonight to coordinate efforts to help the men facing charges here in Nevada.
They are looking to rent a home for the families and out of town visitors that are doing research on the case.
The paralegal that helped the Oregon team gather evidence they needed to win the case in Oregon, is here helping the attorneys in Vegas. However, the attorneys in Vegas are afraid to fairly represent the men because their careers have been threatened. So it is up to the men and the rest of the team to do the work. "Name redacted" was denied visitation this past weekend with the Bundy men because the judge found out he was helping them with their case.
No one is getting paid for their work and the expenses are coming out of everyone's pocket and they are running out of money. We are going to have to get the word out that we need help with finances, research, and running legal docs to and from the Pahrump facility where the men are being held. I will let you know more after the meeting tonight.
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Basicly the .gov shut these people out of existance. Fight forever yes but they now have no lives. I see the point to it all but wow, nothing comes from being locked up and thrown away. This needs presidential action or it's null. The court cases just run on and on going nowhere, there is no salvation in it.
I feel very bad for the Bundy's and all involved but to take on a corrupt government is crazy. That is my point, the gov.t here is corrupt.
Deb Jordon . . . How the deck is stacked against Bundy Defendants.
More corruption involving Harry Reid. In short words, the entire prosecution team and all the judges were recommended by Harry Reid.
She revealed Harry Reid also appointed current governor Bryan Sandoval as a federal judge in Nevada which I didn't know.
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Deb Jordan
with Melissa Beadle-cooper and 43 others.
Yesterday at 2:38am ·
This video is the comprehensive journal of just how Harry Reid has gained enough power in Nevada to legislate Ranchers out of business and why Cliven Bundy was literally forced to stand his ground in Bunkerville.
Neil Kornze - Head of the Bureau of Land Management - Kornze worked in the office of Nevada Senator Harry Reid from 2003 until 2011, where he worked on a variety of public lands issues.
Harry Reid's endorsement of Neil Kornze; Neil is just perfect for this position,” Reid said. “Raised in Elko, NV, Neil really understands the role of public lands in rural America, and natural resources across the West.
Governor Brian Sandoval - The now Governor of Nevada, Sandoval is a former judge of the United States District Court for the District of Nevada. In the fall of 2004, Democratic Senator Harry Reid spoke with Sandoval about whether he was interested in serving as a judge for the United States District Court for the District of Nevada, and that December Reid recommended to President George W. Bush that he nominate Sandoval to a future opening on that court. Sandoval was formally nominated by Bush on March 1, 2005, to the seat being vacated by Judge Howard D. McKibben.
Judge Gloria Navarro - The Judge who will preside over the Bundy Trial -- On September 11, 2009, Sen. Harry Reid contacted Navarro to inquire about her interest in serving on the federal bench. After a video conference interview with Reid, the senator told Navarro on September 22, 2009 that he would be recommending her to President Obama for consideration to serve as a judge on the United States District Court for the District of Nevada. On December 24, 2009, Obama formally nominated Navarro to the vacancy, which was created by the resignation of Judge Brian Sandoval.
Magistrate Peggy Leen; Ruled against any pretrial releases in the Bundy case and to keep evidence in the case secret. When a Las Vegas religious group was indicted in 2005 for embezzling federal grants – money that was eventually tied to Harry Reid – it was Magistrate Leen who first heard the case. The defendants later got off with probation and minor punishment.
Daniel Bogden - United States Attorney for the District of Nevada;
Bogden ran the U.S. attorney's office from 2001 until 2007, when the Bush administration forced him out in a political purge of top federal prosecutors because of corruption in a HOA scheme in Nevada. After his election, President Barack Obama, at the recommendation of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. reappointed Bogden to the office in 2009. FBI raids in the HOA case came during the interim, and after his reappointment, Bogden disclosed that he owned a condominium at one of the developments under FBI scrutiny. He also removed himself from making any administrative decisions in the HOA investigation, turning the case over to Prosecutor Steven Myhre.
Prosecutor Steven Myhre - Prosecuting the Bundy Case for the Government - Steven Myhre is a longtime top assistant to U.S. Attorney for Nevada Dan Bogden.
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Neighbor v Neighbor Turns into People v. U.S. Government
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Magistrate Judge, Peggy Leen has signed an oder for 3 separate Bundy standoff trials
Brianna Bundy posted the docket:
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Briana Bundy
12 hrs ·
DECISION ON NEVADA!!!
Docket Text:
ORDER, as to Cliven D. Bundy (1), Ryan C. Bundy (2), Ammon E. Bundy (3), Ryan W. Payne (4), Peter T. Santilli Jr. (5), Melvin D. Bundy (6), David H. Bundy (7), Brian D. Cavalier (8), Eric J. Parker (11), O. Scott Drexler (12), Richard R. Lovelien (13), Steven A. Stewart (14), Todd C. Engel (15), Gregory P. Burleson (16), Joseph D. O'Shaughnessy (17), Micah L. McGuire (18), Jason D. Woods (19), that:
1. The trial of the 17 defendants awaiting trial shall be severed into three groups for three separate trials consisting of:
a. Tier 1: Cliven Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Ammon Bundy, Peter Santilli, and Ryan Payne;
b. Tier 2: Dave Bundy, Mel Bundy, Joseph OShaughnessy, Brian Cavalier, JasonWoods, and Micah McGuire; and
c. Tier 3: Richard Lovelien, Todd Engel, Gregory Burleson, Eric Parker, O. ScottDrexler, and Steven Stewart.
2. The Tier 3 defendants will proceed to trial February 6, 2017.
3. The Tier 1 defendants will proceed to trial 30 days after the conclusion of the trial ofthe Tier 3 defendants.
4. The Tier 2 defendants will proceed to trial 30 days after the conclusion of the trial ofthe Tier 1 defendants.
5. All pending severance motions, responses, replies, supplements and joinders areterminated.
6. Any specific request for relief not addressed in this order is denied.
Signed by Magistrate Judge Peggy A. Leen on 12/12/16.
Edit: Added video from Mrs. B Stacy
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