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Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher
A Ruby Ridge-style standoff is brewing in Nevada, where dozens of armed federal agents are closing in on cattle rancher Cliven Bundy over claims that Bundy has allowed his cows to graze illegally on government land, endangering a protected species of tortoise.
Vowing to take a stand for, “your liberty and freedom,” Bundy says he is prepared to be killed as authorities surround a 600,000 acre section of public land as a result of Bundy violating a 1993 Bureau of Land Management ruling which changed grazing rights in order to protect the endangered desert tortoise.
“With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake,” Bundy said.
Bundy’s refusal to recognize federal authority over the land under dispute and his failure to pay tens of thousands of dollars in grazing fees stems from his assertion that his family’s history trumps bureaucracy.
“My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed,” Bundy said.
Accusing feds of seizing Nevada’s sovereignty, Bundy says he has fought the battle legally, through the media, and is now gearing up to fight it physically.
“Armed agents are forming a a military-like staging area to prevent anyone from approaching the area,” writes Mike Paczesny.
Bundy asserts that his case is emblematic of how America has been transformed into a “police state,” labeling the government’s actions “pathetic”.
Hundreds of federal officials, aided by helicopters, low flying aircraft and hired cowboys, began rounding up Bundy’s cattle on Saturday as Bundy accused them of “trespassing,” adding that the impact will only serve to raise beef prices for residents of Las Vegas 80 miles away.
Feds postponed a similar raid in 2012 over fears the action would spur violence. Bundy has drawn a lot of support from the local community and protesters are heading to the area to demand authorities back off. Officials have created a taped off “First Amendment Area” where demonstrators can voice their concerns. A sign placed inside the area reads “Welcome to Amerika – Wake Up” alongside a hammer and sickle logo.
“The rights were created for us,” Bundy told the Las Vegas Review Journal. “I have the right to use the forage. I have water rights. I have access rights. I have range improvement rights, and I claim all the other rights that the citizens of Nevada have, whether it’s to camp, to fish or to go off road.”
Addressing the justification of seizing the cattle to protect a species of tortoise, Bundy stated, “I’ll never get it. If it weren’t for our cattle, there’d be more brush fires out here. The tortoises eat the cow manure, too. It’s filled with protein.”
The standoff has echoes of the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident, during which Randy Weaver, accused of selling an ATF agent two illegal sawed-off shotguns, became embroiled in a tragic confrontation with the the United States Marshals Service (USMS) and the FBI, resulting in the death of Weaver’s son Sammy, his wife Vicki, and Deputy U.S. Marshal William Francis Degan.
The story also brings back memories of New Hampshire couple Ed and Elaine Brown, who were involved in a nine month standoff with armed law enforcement and feds as a result of their refusal to pay income tax. The Browns were later convicted of “plotting to kill federal agents” because of their refusal to surrender and were both given de facto life sentences.
In a series of YouTube videos, Cliven Bundy and his wife outline the background behind their decision to take a stand against the feds, arguing that their fight is a constitutionally-driven line in the sand to push back against the usurpation of big government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuzT...layer_embedded
link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuzT...layer_embedded
http://www.infowars.com/armed-feds-p...attle-rancher/
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I doubt this will end good for Mr. Bundy; just ask Randy Weaver ::)
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He won a battle but I don't think it will end. People who don't understand nature want him off the land.
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This video is long but he's teaching people about the constitution and how he won a battle against the Feds. I think it's pretty interesting.
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Well now we know that the BLM is completely FULL OF SHIT!
Government plans to euthanize hundreds of desert tortoises after budget cuts to refuge
A combination of federal budget austerity and the dramatic decline of the Nevada housing market may claim some unlikely victims: desert tortoises.
The Desert Tortoise Conservation Center — a 23-year-old federal refuge in Las Vegas for the threatened species — has collected only $290,000 from its primary funding source of local developer fees over the last 11 months, the AP reports. The center can’t count on the Bureau of Land Management, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service or Nevada Department of Wildlife to make up the shortfall on the center’s $1 million annual operating budget because of federal and state budget constraints.
The result? Center administrators are planning to close the 220-acre facility in 2014 and euthanize about half of the 1400 tortoises under their protection, the AP reports. No more than 100,000 of the desert tortoises are believed to exist in the wild. Most of the tortoises there are former pets returned to their habitat once the government classified the species as threatened — one step short of endangered. And most are too feeble to be returned to the wild, the AP reports.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/2...uts-to-refuge/
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the real story behind this is that the blm didn't care if the cattle were there, they just wanted the per head rent money. this was all forced by agenda 21 environmentalists who threatened to sue the fed gov if the cattle were not removed. this whole thing is the result of a handful of extreme agenda 21 people and lawyers. they only want native animals there, no people, no nothing. it's a whole agenda 21 thing.
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Looks like this is probably the most recent video and it shows Cliven Bundy and his boys horseback photographing the SOB's hired by the Feds coming to steel his cattle with all new equipment. The hired guns are also there and I expect they will shoot him and boys down if they show any sign of resistance like the camper in New Mexico.
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chad
the real story behind this is that the blm didn't care if the cattle were there, they just wanted the per head rent money. this was all forced by agenda 21 environmentalists who threatened to sue the fed gov if the cattle were not removed. this whole thing is the result of a handful of extreme agenda 21 people and lawyers. they only want native animals there, no people, no nothing. it's a whole agenda 21 thing.
I was leaning more towards water resources, but that makes sense as well.
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My sister in law's Uncle Wayne Hage and her cousin Wayne Jr. have fought a long, hard and expensive battle against these ruthless thugs.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/ne...roperty-rights
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Ares
I was leaning more towards water resources, but that makes sense as well.
His ancestors and family have developed the water that benefits the livestock and wildlife in the area. This video below explains that.
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...have fought a long, hard and expensive battle against these ruthless thugs.
Could be there would be no issue if they agreed with the 'thugs'? The basics of the situation are: IT IS A CONTRACT DISPUTE.
Seeing as how the dispute revolves around UNCLAIMED PROPERTY then maybe someone should claim the property and take away the source of the dispute?
http://water.epa.gov/action/adopt/
http://water.epa.gov/type/watersheds/what.cfm
The commercial plane is bankrupt. We all live in a watershed though.
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Damn, after all those years and all that money still no answers on that case.
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I agree this whole thing stinks of Agenda 21.
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Could be there would be no issue if they agreed with the 'thugs'? The basics of the situation are: IT IS A CONTRACT DISPUTE. Seeing as how the dispute revolves around UNCLAIMED PROPERTY then maybe someone should claim the property and take away the source of the dispute?
http://water.epa.gov/action/adopt/ http://water.epa.gov/type/watersheds/what.cfm The commercial plane is bankrupt. We all live in a watershed though.
87 % of our state is "unclaimed property". How do you propose we claim it? Since the closure of the homestead act anyone who has claimed any of this property, with the exception of mining claims, has been forcefully evicted by these bureaucrats.
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I agree this whole thing stinks of Agenda 21.
It is absolutely 100% agenda 21
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you can read all about the agenda 21 people threatening to sue and the case #'s, etc. on the bundy's own website. here is what it all boils down to though:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/wa...servation-area
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... with the exception of mining claims ...
I start a claim with a legal notice. If that doesn't raise anyones ire then I follow it up with a more detailed notice at courthouses and post offices. If there is no objection then I take some metal stakes and some notices sandwiched between plexiglass (for water protection) and I dig a 3" deep hole, plug in the metal stake with the plexiglass chained to it to identify the boundary marker. Cover that with dirt and pile some stones on top. I also pull a sample of the dirt at each marker (livery of seisin) and in return for the gift of the soil I plant some wild rose seeds. A witness is brought along to provide an affidavit at each step.
That pretty much covers it.
I have a neat picture of a federal security 'officer' cutting down my notice at a federal courthouse. It provides proof that the federal government takes my claim seriously and has received proper notice.
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Many years ago where there was justice in this land cattle rustlers got hung.
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palani
I start a claim with a legal notice. If that doesn't raise anyones ire then I follow it up with a more detailed notice at courthouses and post offices. If there is no objection then I take some metal stakes and some notices sandwiched between plexiglass (for water protection) and I dig a 3" deep hole, plug in the metal stake with the plexiglass chained to it to identify the border. Cover that with dirt and pile some stones on top. I also pull a sample of the dirt at each marker (livery of seisin) and in return for the gift of the soil I plant some wild rose seeds. A witness is brought along to provide an affidavit at each step.
That pretty much covers it.
I have a neat picture of a federal security 'officer' cutting down my notice at a federal courthouse. It provides proof that the federal government takes my claim seriously and has received proper notice.
That only applies to a government that recognizes your property. We haven't had a government that recognizes rights since 1865.
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Feds deploy snipers, arrest man for filming outside First Amendment area
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/def...?itok=1T8whsM4Getty Im
Joe NewbyPolicy & Issues Examine
April 7, 2014
On Sunday, the Logandale, Nev.-based Moapa Valley Progress reported that Dave Bundy, son of rancher Cliven Bundy, was arrested while taking photographs of his family’s cattle that are being rounded up by federal agents. According to the report, Bundy was violating an arbitrary "First Amendment" zone that had been established by federal agents. Worse yet, federal agents also deployed snipers against the man.
“He was doing nothing but standing there and filming the landscape,” Ryan Bundy said of his brother Dave. “We were on the state highway, not even off of the right-of-way. Even if they want to call [the area that we were filming] federal land; which it’s not; we weren’t even on it. We were on the road.”
None of the family members on the road were armed, but 11 BLM vehicles each with two agents arrived and surrounded him as he began filming the cattle, Paul Joseph Watson said at Infowars.
“They also had four snipers on the hill above us all trained on us. We were doing nothing besides filming the area,” Ryan added.
Bundy also said federal agents told them they had no First Amendment rights except in the areas so marked.
"The BLM has established two fenced areas near the City of Mesquite, that they have designated as free speech areas for members of the public to express their opinions," the Progress said.
Officers ordered family members to leave immediately, but Bundy apparently didn't obey fast enough and was reportedly set upon by agents.
“He was filming and talking on the phone, I don’t know to whom,” Ryan said. “It happened pretty fast. They came down on him hard and had a German Shepherd on him. And then they took him.”
Ryan said he stayed and witnessed the entire incident.
“I told them that I was not going to engage them and that I just wanted to take my brother with me. But they were pushing, pushing, pushing! So I did stay there long enough to witness the whole thing, about 10 feet away from me,” he told the Progress.
BLM officials said little about the arrest, only telling the Progress that an arrest had been made.
“An individual is in custody in order to protect public safety and maintain the peace,” BLM officials said in an email. “The individual has rights and therefore details about the arrest will not be disclosed until and unless charges are filed.”
Ryan told the Progress Sunday he still doesn't know what charges have been leveled against his brother.
“They mentioned some code over their loudspeakers. I don’t know what it was, but it was something or other federal code. That is what they arrested him on, was that premise," he said.
Making matters worse, Bundy says the family has nowhere to go for assistance.
“We don’t have any policing representation,” he said. “Our local police will not respond. The County Sheriff will not respond. NHP will not respond.”
Bundy's father, Cliven, had reportedly called for help, but was told to get off the phone or face arrest, the Progress added.
The incident is the latest in an ongoing issue involving a crackdown on some 600,000 acres of federal land the Bundy family says has been in their family for generations
Watson said the roundup is designed to protect the habitat of a desert tortoise the government says is endangered.
He added:Some fear the dispute could turn into a Ruby Ridge-style violent standoff because Bundy has said he is prepared to become a martyr for what he perceives as a constitutional stance against tyranny.
Watson also said the story, which so far has remained local, threatens to re-ignite "resentment over big government and a federal bureaucracy increasingly trampling on the rights of the American people to be left alone."
http://www.examiner.com/article/feds...amendment-area
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Ares
We haven't had a government that recognizes rights since 1865.
That remains to be seen.
If you use the same techniques they use and their techniques are valid per their law then why would the same techniques not be valid when you perform them?
There is a valid maxim of law here: SIMIUS VIDERE SIMIUS FACERE. or in English "MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO".
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palani
That remains to be seen.
If you use the same techniques they use and their techniques are valid per their law then why would the same techniques not be valid when you perform them?
There is a valid maxim of law here: SIMIUS VIDERE SIMIUS FACERE. or in English "MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO".
That has been demonstrated already. This case is a prime example. If anything This rancher should be entitled to squatters rights as he has maintained and made use of the land before the BLM was even a thought. How is it that the federal government can declare land theirs (public) with no claim or title, yet demand payment for allowing his cattle to graze on the very same land that his family has used for over 100 years?
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How is it that the federal government can declare land theirs (public) with no claim or title, yet demand payment for allowing his cattle to graze on the very same land that his family has used for over 100 years?
I presume he has been making a payment for the grazing rights on this land.
Over several generations a family of freemen might be converted to a family of villeins. The villein belongs to the land and not the other way around.
The federal government was created in bankruptcy and has a bit of trouble leaving that heritage behind. This attribute is like the smell of a skunk. You rub up to a skunk enough the smell is likely to follow you around. In this case the law of a bankrupt is no law at all. Check your wallet to see if you have any smell in there .... in the form of a FRN.
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Screwed blued and tattooed
Hope he wins, but with the power that is thrown, it becomes a money/wait thing.
They want him to move and they are per-paired to wait years and let the legal costs mount up, which will make most give up and move!
They are doing a form of imminent domain on his ass, The hell with the family's rights and how long they were there, even before there was a BLM. It boils down to money and intent, the gov has the cash, and they will play their games. The landholder/user despite how long they are or have been there. They are forced to fight the gov using the gov legal system, and rack up legal bills, for the individual major bucks, for the gov. chicken feed.
Sorry for all of the people going through this, Monty, your relatives also. It is a power game, to drive old ways of life off the land!
Gov at its worst, It is just like imminent domain, tho on a slower track.
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A facebook page has been set up for the Bundy family and looks like it's a place for information to be shared on what's happening.
https://www.facebook.com/support.cliven.bundy
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Good, tho it will end up like up or near like ruby ridge and or they will "invent" some aggression to justify their crap.
I just hope the guy can walk the tight rope the they have him on, he slips and they win. Kudos, that he has lasted this long and hope he wins.
It will take getting and getting the major attention of the national news, yes blurbs have been made, but needs to be bigger than that. Now it still is a local thing.
The blm/indian and others that try and lay clam to the west, despite family's that may have live on the land for more than 100 years, does amaze me, and seeing them treated this way now , because of ____________fill in the blank of save the world idiots..
Nuff said, pisses me off.
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Screwed blued and tattooed Hope he wins, but with the power that is thrown, it becomes a money/wait thing. They want him to move and they are per-paired to wait years and let the legal costs mount up, which will make most give up and move! They are doing a form of imminent domain on his ass, The hell with the family's rights and how long they were there, even before there was a BLM. It boils down to money and intent, the gov has the cash, and they will play their games. The landholder/user despite how long they are or have been there. They are forced to fight the gov using the gov legal system, and rack up legal bills, for the individual major bucks, for the gov. chicken feed. Sorry for all of the people going through this, Monty, your relatives also. It is a power game, to drive old ways of life off the land! Gov at its worst, It is just like imminent domain, tho on a slower track.
It is a money and power thing. Years ago when I was working in the Kenworth truck shop on night shift a trucker came in for service. The man didn't look like a truck driver to me. He looked like a rancher. I said to him "you look like a rancher to me. What are you doing driving a truck"? He told yes, he had been a rancher in Montana but the BLM had filed numerous law suits against him and his family. He said the government never won a single case but the cost of litigacition broke them. They were forced to sell. He had bought a truck with his share and was hauling livestock for a living.
One of my classmates, and very close friend is a cattleman. He went to collage against his father's advice. He has had more than his share of harrasment from the BLM, but says his college training has given him the tools he needs to stay one jump ahead of them.
Nevada has the best politicians money can buy so Agenda 21 is happily marching forward.
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If we had a governor worth his salt, he would call out the Militia (national guard) and put a stop to this shit.
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And the contract "cowboys" should be tared and feathered. It saddens me to see these low lifes turning against thier fellow man.
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call out the Militia (national guard)
Errr ... the national guard is not the militia. You are. Get together, elect an officer and the governor must issue a commission. He has no choice.
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I read in news one the Bundy's sons was arrested for filming the feds. He was apparently arrested by one of the BLM's boys. These so called law enforcemnt officers of th BLM and the U S Forest Service have absolutly no jurisdiction in any of the several States, on or off federal land. Their jurisdiction is limited to another federal employee. Wayne Hage knew this. Wayne insisted they bring the sheriff or hs deputies to maintain the peace. The only power they have over the people is intimidation Sent from my iPad using Forum Runner
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Errr ... the national guard is not the militia. You are. Get together, elect an officer and the governor must issue a commission. He has no choice.
Palani, I understand this.
That was posted with much sarcasm. Grrrrrr
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That was posted with much sarcasm.
No sarcasm intended on my end. I can't speak to your end.
http://i59.tinypic.com/adhhjb.jpg
http://books.google.com/books?id=lkA...%20law&f=false
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This is precious. It seems if the feds are out rounding up estray neat-footed critters then there is a state procedure by which they must proceed. If they don't proceed as outlined the crime is grand larceny and even the justice of the peace may be amerced.
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The sarcasm was on my end. If we had the militia as is mandated in our state constitutions . . . .
And gold and silver coin . . . .
Nevada was admitted to the Union during the Civil War with less than the legal required population. The state gave up the rights of ownership of the land in exchange for statehood without the required population. This was written into the enabling act. Some, including me, believe this violates the equal footing doctrine.
Pollard vs Hagan "that all navigable waters within the said State shall forever remain public highways, free to the citizens of said State, and of the United States, without any tax, duty, impost, or toll therefor imposed by said State,"
conveys no more power over the navigable waters of Alabama to the Government of the United States than it possesses over the navigable waters of other States under the provisions of the Constitution.
And it leaves as much right in the State of Alabama over them as the original States possess over navigable waters within their respective limits.
The shores of navigable waters, and the soils under them, were not granted by the Constitution to the United States, but were reserved to the States respectively, and the new States have the same rights, sovereignty, and jurisdiction over this subject as the original States.
This last sentence implies that the land not submerged belongs to the State because it was not granted to the United States by the Constitution
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This is precious. It seems if the feds are out rounding up estray neat-footed critters then there is a state procedure by which they must proceed. If they don't proceed as outlined the crime is grand larceny and even the justice of the peace may be amerced.
These are not estray creatures. They are branded cattle on designated permitted areas with grazing fees paid to the same organization that is consficating them. This is cattle rustling on a grand scale.
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Environmentalists are praising the government’s forceful actions, which are being taken to protect the “desert tortoise.”
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“They’re carrying the same things a soldier would,” he said. “Automatic weapons, sniper rifles, top communication, top surveillance equipment, lots of vehicles. It’s heavy soldier type equipment.”
His wife, Carol Bundy, said that roughly 200 armed agents from the BLM and FBI are stationed around their land, located about 75 miles outside of Las Vegas. Helicopters circle the premises, and the airspace and nearby roads remain blocked.
“We’re surrounded,” Carol Bundy said. “We’re estimating that there are over 200 armed BLM, FBI. We’ve got surveillance cameras at our house, they’re probably listening to me talk to you right now.”
This afternoon eight helicopters surrounded the family after they began taking pictures, according to Bundy’s daughter, Bailey.
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Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval (R.) voiced his concern about so-called “First Amendment Areas,” designated locations set up by the BLM where citizens can protest the removal.
I'm sad to say I don't think this is going to end well for Mr. Bundy and his family. This is a classic example of how all federal laws, even as "benign" as being taxed $1.35 per "animal unit", when refused, will be enforced at the point of a gun. It doesn't matter that the gov is spending millions of tax dollars enforcing this fiasco, their control and their power must be maintained at any cost.
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I just hope the guy can walk the tight rope the they have him on, he slips and they win. Kudos, that he has lasted this long and hope he wins.
No kidding, one mis-step and he's done for. You can bet your ass these agents are just waiting with baited breath for one slip up so they can justify murdering him and his whole family. Then they'll get rewards and accolades for taking town "domestic terrorists". Makes me sick.
