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We have covered this in year past in older threads, and here is a very recent NASA update (relevant part starts at 25:30 and ends with the NPR question):Originally Posted by keehah
We have covered this in year past in older threads, and here is a very recent NASA update (relevant part starts at 25:30 and ends with the NPR question):
What I was referring to was this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter_Effect
It was a book which espoused this theory and it was proven wrong.
Yep, and look at how big those objects must be at their respective distances to even have that much of an effect. If a 4 mile dia chunk of rock is supposedly capable of causing earthquakes, the Moon would have ripped the Earth apart by now.Here is an alignment theory: The sun and moon cause tides on earth.
He wished he'd never brought it up due to fact of what some people have tried to apply it to.Oh sure, the controller will backtrack when confronted and spout some simple rote reply like 'of course I did not mean tides, just other's like the Venus pentagram theory' but so what, he implanted what he wanted to in 95% or the people who read it "all these alignment theories...dis-proven"
Such as the theory of any alignments having some special effect upon the Earth.
Venus transit theory? Do people actually think this is some new thing that's never occured before?Yes a person who predicted a date and place for an earthquake to happen in 1982 was dissapointed. But it would be more meaningful to used the upcoming (next year) Venus Transit theory.
People seem to be really grasping at straws in order to try to explain the World around them in a laymans perspective.
If it's as far away as they say it is, even at 4 times the size of Jupiter it would have no noticable effect upon the Earth.....perhaps if it were 4,000 times the size of Jupiter it would.31st December 1983 Washington Post
http://redicecreations.com/ul_img/14...enlybodies.jpg
14th February 2011 By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
Largest planet in the solar system could be about to be discovered - and it's up to four times the size of Jupiter
Besides, even if there is another giant planet out there somewhere, who cares? If it's there, it's obviously been there for a long time now and with no apparent ill-effects upon Earth.
Before the number of words in each subsequent post exponentially explodes, we can state some basic things very clearly:
(a) The arxiv paper I posted proves celestial alignments can cause quakes, especially what was assumed to be Elenin a few months ago.
(b) The diagram I created clearly shows a pattern of earthquakes moving around the earth. One would assume some body is causing it.
(c) Based on the above facts, TerralO3 on youtube has been researching this and thought Elenin was a brown dwarf because of the earthquake effects. Since the September 27 alignment was uneventful, he is revising his theory to be some other object in the background. You can see his video of the revised hypothesis in the OP.
(d) Without any further analysis, if the pattern just continues as it has, it would indicate March 21, 2012, could be a date where a large quake occurs.
I'm all for a and b.
As for c, why make it a brown dwarf rather than just a large body. Projecting enough energy to affect the earth. KISS. And Tyche seems smarter than PlanetX as NASA also uses this term and the sheep have less training to reject it automatically.
As for d, why hook a solid theory to what is basically a weather prediction? (and who reports and can even alter such weather?) Your just going to "Jupiter Effect" yourself in the foot. Joe is already setting up the programming to help others reject your theory presented this way. Just as 'Mike Ruppert has been debunked' because the stock market crash did not happen in August.
I'm open to either a large body, or more interstellar sources, like that giant ribbon in space in our solar systems bow shock, shaking and inflating our inner solar system as more 'space junk' flys in.
I'm also open to the fact that the preistly class reported in, and presented by the MSM and minds of Kings is as scared and untimately don't know much more so than the rest of us. Then when the economy collapses, we all tend to pay more attention to other threats too (that may have always existed to a large degree).
But less the we don't know theory, than purposely withholding data and shutting down equipment able to answer such angsts (WISE being the latest of many over the generations) would make a much more effective project bluebeam. One for the more aware slaves, not being open immediately to 'alien' probes.
History shows solar system energies commonly rudely intrude on human civilzations and cause collapses.
With the state global civilization is in, won't take much of anything to intrude to cause a collapse.
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I wonder how the ribbon location direction lines up with our planets and incoming comets.
Mystery Space "Ribbon" Found at Solar System's Edge
Ker Than for National Geographic News October 15, 2009
Ribbon a Sign of Heliosphere Being Squeezed?
The ENA ribbon's existence suggests the atoms are produced in higher densities in some parts of the outer heliosphere than others, McComas said, although scientists aren't yet sure why that would be the case.
One idea is that, wherever the Milky Way's magnetic field presses on the heliosphere, more ENAs are created.
"Exactly where the [galaxy's] magnetic field is most wrapped around the outer boundary of the heliosphere, that's where the ribbon runs," McComas said.
"That could be an unbelievably remarkable coincidence, or it could be a fabulous clue that somehow this external magnetic field is actually imprinting onto our heliosphere through some process that we don't yet understand."
The team is currently putting together the second IBEX sky map of the heliosphere, and there are already indications that the ribbon's shape is changing, McComas said.
"There's some suggestion," he said "that it's actually slightly different and maybe evolving over the 6 months since the [first sky map]."..
"Exactly where the [galaxy's] magnetic field is most wrapped around the outer boundary of the heliosphere, that's where the ribbon runs," McComas said.
"That could be an unbelievably remarkable coincidence, or it could be a fabulous clue that somehow this external magnetic field is actually imprinting onto our heliosphere through some process that we don't yet understand."
Has anyone found a large earthquake that happened lets say 186 days prior to the Chilean earthquake +- 2 days or one that occurred about 371 days +-3 days prior to the Chilean earthquake, that IMO would be consistent with a large body (bodies) accelerating in towards the outer solar system as we know it?
If in his view that was even a remotely plausible theory, he's wacked. To be a brown dwarf it'd have to still be huge relative to Earth and elenin has always been known to be very very small relative to the Earth.
What I see is someone grasping at anything that might possibly explain the conclusions they've already arrived at.
ie he's doing the research backwards.
As to the Earthquakes moving around the Earth, the diagram shows them on all three sides of a particular tectonic plate. One I might add that has a long history of producing quakes and volcanic eruptions. What we're seeing is that plate moving some.
As for the "group of asteroids" theory, would that be something like the Trojans, Hildas and Greeks that also have no effect upon Earth, and that reside in Jupiters Lagrange Points?
IMo, if earthquakes are caused by the gravitational effects of other heavenly bodies, that body is the Sun.
What I was referring to was that other people dusted off his flawed theory and started applying it to all sorts of fanciful ideas.
I found two that occured 183 days prior to the Chilean earthquake one in Banda sea at 6.9 and one in northern China Quinghai at 6.2, but those are a Tad bit late IMO...The earlier significant one occured 11 days prior which would make it 194 days...
There was one in Kermadec sea at February 18th 2009 at 7.0 which is 374 days prior to the Chilean earthquake, which would fit the schedule 374/2=187...
My conclusion is that prior earthquakes don't offer strong support of the theory of a large outer solar system body being a causative factor...
On August 28th 2009 there was an Earthquake in China that was 6.2, one in Indonesia on Sept 2nd, and a 6.6 in Samoa.
However, this 188 day theory is flawed due to the fact that earthquakes happen with such regularity that you'd be able to pick any date you want and show the same pattern. After all, there were at least 55 earthquakes in the World in 2009 with a magnitude greater than 6.0
That means that on average, every week there is a relatively large quake somewhere in the World.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquak...nthenews/2009/
Also, if you'll notice on that list there are quakes listed in both NewYork as well as Colorado.....likely caused by underground nukes in tunnels, no doubt. lol
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http://www.icr.org/article/defects-jupiter-effect/
I probably need to state the third time for Joe we agree he was a failed weatherman (his prediction for 82 was not sucessful). Does not mean everything we think is correlated in predicting weather is wrong though. What came first the earthquake or the rotational change? We are left arguing over a chicken and egg type question.JUPITER EFFECT THEORY
Each of the planets exerts a gravitational tidal pull on the sun. When aligned, their combined force will substantially affect the sun.
The sun will respond with increased surface activity in the form of sunspots and eruptions. This also implies an increase in ejected solar wind particles (charged particles such as electrons and ions) throughout the solar system. Those impinging on the earth will cause large-scale movement of air masses.
The resulting atmospheric disturbance will alter the earth's rotation rate. Variations in the earth's spin will trigger regions of geologic instability, causing widespread earthquakes.
CSMonitor (space.com): By changing the distribution of mass on the earth, Japan's earthquake sped up the planet's rotation, shortening the day by 1.8 microseconds, a new analysis has found.
NationalGeographic: Saturday's Chile earthquake was so powerful that it likely shifted an [?] Earth axis and shortened the length of a day [1.26 microseconds], NASA announced Monday.
NASA News: NASA scientists using data from the Indonesian earthquake calculated it affected Earth's rotation, decreased the length of day [2.68 microseconds], slightly changed the planet's shape, and shifted the North Pole by...about 2.5 centimeters (1 inch) in the direction of 145º East Longitude. This shift east is continuing a long-term seismic trend identified in previous studies.
The only thing that shows is a measurable effect upon the Sun, not the Earth.
...and the fact an Earthuake can alter something like the Earths rotation does not mean it was caused by anything beyond the Earth.
As I said, the theory was dis-proven, but others after the fact choose to resurect it to support their new theories about things like elenin.
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