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    Gold Counterfeiting Goes Viral: 10 Tungsten-Filled Gold Bars Are Discovered In Manhattan


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    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 09/23/2012 12:24 -0400





    A few days ago, our report on the discovery of a single 10 oz Tungsten-filled gold bar in Manhattan's jewelry district promptly went viral, as it meant that a tungsten-based, gold-counterfeiting operation, previously isolated solely to the UK and Europe, had crossed the Atlantic. The good news was that the counterfeiting case was isolated to just one 10 oz bar. This morning, the NYPost reports that as had been expected, in the aftermath of the realization that the sanctity of the gold inventory on 47th Street just off Fifth Avenue has been polluted, and dealers promptly check the purity of their gold, at least ten more fake 10-ounce "gold bars" filled with Tungsten has been discovered.

    The Post has learned as many as 10 fake gold bars — made up mostly of relatively worthless tungsten — were sold recently to unsuspecting dealers in Manhattan’s Midtown Diamond District.

    The 10-oz. gold bars are hugely popular with Main Street investors, and it is not known how many of the fake gold bars were sold to dealers — or if any fake bars were purchased by the public.
    As is to be expected, the Post story is weak on details: after all, any dealer who admits to having allowed Tungsten to enter his or her inventory can kiss their retail business goodbye, as customers will avoid said Tungsten outlet like the plague, for the simple reason that suddenly counterparty risk has migrated from Wall Street to the Diamond District. The one named dealer is the same one who already made an appearance in the previous story on Tungsten in gold's clothing.

    One gold dealer discovered that four of the 3-inch-by-1-inch gold bars he bought — worth about $72,000 retail — were counterfeit.

    “It has the entire street on edge,” said Ibrahim Fadl, 62, who has been the owner of Express Metal Refining, a Midtown gold-refinery business, for the last 11 years. “I and the others on the street work off of trust; now that trust is strained.”

    Fadl, a Columbia University graduate with a master’s degree in chemical engineering, and who has more than 40 years in the industry, purchased the four fake bars from a well-known Russian salesman with whom he has done business.
    Ah yes, those pesky Russians: always happy to do the Fed's bidding, because who really gains from the loss of confidence in physical gold?

    Fadl became suspicious when he offered the salesman a deep discount for the investment-grade gold bars and he quickly accepted it, a source tells The Post.

    Fadl said he did his due diligence “by X-raying the bars to ascertain the purity of the gold and weighing the bars, and the Swiss markings were perfect.”

    Tungsten is an industrial metal that weighs nearly the same as gold but costs a little over $1 an ounce. Gold closed Friday at $1,774.80 an ounce.
    We wish Fadl all the best in his liquidation sale. Others, for logical reasons, are far less willing to step forward:

    A second 47th Street refiner, who wished to remain anonymous, said he was burned recently when he bought six gold bars that turned out to be mostly tungsten, with just a gold veneer. He would not comment, though, on who sold him the bogus bars.
    The counterfeiting so far appears to have impacted solely PAMP (Produits Artistiques Métaux Précieux ) gold bars, madeby MTB, whose CEO can hardly be too happy that some "Russian" has made it a life mission to destroy the credibility of any gold stamped with the PAMP stamp.

    Raymond Nassim, CEO of Manfra, Tordell & Brookes, the American arm of the Swiss firm that created the original gold bars — with their serial number and purity rating stamped clearly into them — said he reported the situation to the US Secret Service, whose jurisdiction covers the counterfeiting of gold bars.

    He said his company “is supporting and cooperating with authorities any way we can.”

    Nassim thought the culprit must be a professionally trained jeweler to have pulled off the caper.

    “The forger had to slice the original bar along the side, hollow out the gold and insert the tungsten ingot, and then reseal and polish the bar, Nassim said.
    The case of gold counterfeiting has already taken NYC by storm:

    At an industry dinner Thursday night hosted by Comex, the New York-based metals exchange, the room was abuzz with talk about the bogus gold bars, according to Fadl.
    Which was also to be expected. What is also to be expected is that as more and more stories of Tungsten making it into broader gold circulation, that retail sales of physical gold will certainly be impaired as end consumers become far more cautious about what they buy.

    And while we await more information, especially from the Secret Service, who is "on top" of this case, which we assume implies that gold is after all money, we leave readers with our conclusion from Tuesday: "with false flags rampant these days, we would not be surprised if this is merely yet another attempt to discredit gold, this time physical, as an undilutable medium of warehousing wealth. So buyer beware: in a time when everyone is broke, triple check before exchanging one store of wealth for another."
    For those curious what a fake 10oz bar looks like, here it is again:

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    Re: Uh oh! Gold Counterfeiting Goes Viral: 10 Tungsten-Filled Gold Bars Are Discovere

    Fake Bullion Warning

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    There are currently many fake gold and silver ingots and coins being sold out of China. Many of these items are made to a high quality and are hard to tell from the original for those not familiar with the original items. Below is a list of some of the current fake types available.

    The composition of the fake silver is typically made up from:

    Au 0.093
    Ao 0.267
    Zn 13.40
    Cu 83.40
    Ni 2.81
    Fe 0.051


    Currently faked silver ingots and coins:1 ounce Sunshine Mint
    1 ounce Scotsdale
    1 ounce Pan American
    American Prospector
    Many generic 1 ounce ingots including the USA flag design, scales design and “worth its weight in silver design.
    Coins include:
    2012 Perth Mint dragon
    Canadian Maple Leaf

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    The specific gravity test results for the above filed “coin” is:
    Gross weight after filing 30.27 grams, displacement weight 2.75 grams, end result is 11.00. A normal coin should have a specific gravity weight of 10.5


    Fake gold coins and ingots include:

    2011 Perth mint 1 Ounce gold Kangaroo
    Krugerrands
    1/10th ounce Austrian Philharmonic gold coin
    Photos of fake Pan American, Sunshine and a generic ingot:

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    Re: Uh oh! Gold Counterfeiting Goes Viral: 10 Tungsten-Filled Gold Bars Are Discovere

    Fake 1oz Silver Chinese Panda Bullion Coins 2003 and 2006

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    Fake Silver Warning

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    Re: Uh oh! Gold Counterfeiting Goes Viral: 10 Tungsten-Filled Gold Bars Are Discovere

    Fake Bars - The Facts

    March 26 2012
    Topics [ gold bullion bars ]
    Posted By Bron Suchecki


    IN THE NEWS


    On the weekend the gold blogosphere picked up on an ABC Bullion blog post about a gold bar cored with five tungsten rods, including Zero Hedge, Reuters, Screwtape Files, Bullion Baron, and Jo Nova.

    The ABC Bullion blog was based on an email from MKS/PAMP sent to their distributors about a fake bar that a UK scrap dealer had received. The dealer thought the bar was suspicious due to a weight discrepancy and as a result they cut it in half, revealing five tungsten rods inside.
    Typically, Zero Hedge over play the significance of the story with this statement: “So two documented incidents in two years: isolated? Or indication of the same phenomonenon of precious metal debasement that marked the declining phase of the Roman empire.” Other bloggers, such as Felix Salmon of Reuters, have been quick to speculate that such fakes may be common and present a “serious tail risk for anybody in the physical-gold market.”

    In the experience of The Perth Mint, such fakes are a rare occurrence. In the 20 years our Refinery Manager has been working at the Mint, he has never seen a fake bar come through our operations. If investors buy coins and bars made by reputable refiners and mints and from a reputable dealer they are highly unlikely to be sold fakes.

    Reputable dealers are familiar with how the common brand name bars and coins should look and thus fakes are unlikely to be resold. Note that the dealer referred to in the ABC Bullion story suspected the bar and cut it before it even reached the refinery.
    As to the frequency of fakes, note that the previous “incident” that Zero Hedge referred to was this post of January 2010. As I pointed out in on my personal blog at the time, the Argor Heraeus video showed a fake bar received more than ten years prior. So sorry Zero Hedge, this is not two incidents in two years. Argor Heraeus said that “counterfeit bars are extremely rare, our colleagues from the foundry cannot recall a single instance in the last years in which such a bar was delivered to Heraeus for processing.” This agrees with The Perth Mint’s experience.
    In the retail market turnover of physical product is relatively high. This is because retail investors do tend to exhibit herding behaviour, which means when there is selling it usually overwhelms any retail buying demand at that point in time. The end result is that in a net selling situation dealers do not sit on gold due to the high holding costs and uncertainty as to when buying demand will return, so they liquidate that net selling excess back to refiners, where it is melted.

    Even in the professional market, which deals in 400oz bars, there is a fair bit of turnover. While central bank holdings are quite stable, large bars held by private investors are traded and ownership changes often. As a result, there is a good chance a bar will eventually be melted for use by a jeweller, mint or refiner and as such there is a high probability of any fakes being caught out.

    In the case of The Perth Mint, we melt every non Perth Mint bar and coin we buy back. We also melt a fair number of our own coins and bars if they are too old or damaged to enable resale. The point is that with such turnover of physical, the lack of fakes appearing in our and Heraeus’ operations indicates to us that fakes are few and far between.

    With regard to identification of fakes, the most reliable non destructive testing method is ultrasonic and would easily show any insertions. XRF and other tests generally do not penetrate very far into the surface of a bar, so are only good for testing plated bars. This link provides an insight into the sort of testing performed at refineries and for those interested in the technical aspects here is a quote from KK&S Instruments:

    “The 1090 Flaw Detector allows you to look into the Bar for voids/defects as well as UT velocity which is determined the products elastic modulus i.e Tungsten Velocity is 5183-5460m/sec and Gold is 3,240m/sec. For example if you calibrate for Au then the testing Tungsten bar of the same thickness, the UT thickness would read approximately half the actual because of the speeding-up of the sound through the Tungsten.”

    GoldMoney also has a good video on the ultrasonic testing they perform on their bars. Interestingly, they only found ten bars out of 1,377 with “inconclusive scans were identified but assays of these bars confirmed they contained the gold content stamped on the bar.” [link] These bars are 400oz professional market bars and is yet more proof that fakes are not common.

    Investors buying recognised brands from trustworthy dealers should not have any cause for concern. For those looking for more information on the various brands and bars and coins available, and what they should look like and their specifications, this website http://www.goldbarsworldwide.com/ is a good reference site to bookmark.


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    Re: Uh oh! Gold Counterfeiting Goes Viral: 10 Tungsten-Filled Gold Bars Are Discovere

    Ugh... fer fuck's sake. Now I have to go check all my shit?

    Oh wait. I had to give it all up to live. Never mind.
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    Boating accident. Words to the wise...the fake ones sink just as fast as the real ones.

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    You've got to be kidding me. Ugh.

    Why are they not faking SAEs if they can fake maples and even random generic? Scared of the Secret Service investigating counterfeit "money"?

    I guess I'll be buying mercury dimes only now

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    Quote Originally Posted by big country View Post
    You've got to be kidding me. Ugh.

    Why are they not faking SAEs if they can fake maples and even random generic? Scared of the Secret Service investigating counterfeit "money"?

    I guess I'll be buying mercury dimes only now
    I've only seen one article about fake silver eagles - the fakes looked really obvious to anyone reasonably familar with the genuine article.

    Bullion buyers need to be extremely vigilant for fakes going forward as this market heats up. They need to ask the prospective coin seller how he authenticates his coins. If he guffaws at such a question then walk away. He should be able to show you that he checks coins and bars several different ways. Personally, I've never been a fan of bars. But, fake bullion coins cannot be dismissed as a possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamboni View Post
    I've only seen one article about fake silver eagles - the fakes looked really obvious to anyone reasonably familar with the genuine article.

    Bullion buyers need to be extremely vigilant for fakes going forward as this market heats up. They need to ask the prospective coin seller how he authenticates his coins. If he guffaws at such a question then walk away. He should be able to show you that he checks coins and bars several different ways. Personally, I've never been a fan of bars. But, fake bullion coins cannot be dismissed as a possibility.
    A lot can be said for going with known bullion coins. Also, for getting a fisch testing kit. Very simple to use, and quick. Going forward, I also think fractional coins are a wise decision.

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