Critical of JFetzer & JFriend's No Planes @ WTC campaign

[PatColo]

Great article from Andre Anglin of Dailystormer.com. I surely don't agree with everything he advocates, ditto 'ADLaney' & Co, but this one's 90% right on. The remaining 10% here is re Sandy Hoax & the UK beheading thing-- I say hoax in both cases!


Final Showdown: Mike and Scott vs. John Friend

Andrew Anglin
Daily Stormer
December 2, 2013


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It seems to me it is definitely possible to fly planes into buildings.



Though I fell asleep and didn’t get a chance to call in, I listened to the Mike Delaney and Scott Roberts versus John Friend debate about whether or not planes hit the towers on 911.


I have some comments.


It was an intense show. It is up to all of you to draw conclusions about what took place, but I will agree with what is the majority view: John Friend got his ass handed to him.


Both Scott and Mike were as lucid as I have ever heard either of them be, and John really didn’t seem to have any response to any of the points being brought up, other than to keep citing Simon Shack as some type of unquestionable authority and act as though the only reason anyone would question him is out of ignorance, or an incapacity to understand simple concepts.


Mike demanded the debate after John’s recent interview with Simon Shack, creator of the September Clues documentary, which puts forward the idea that not only did no planes hit the towers, no one actually died on 911, and the whole thing was staged like a Hollywood movie. He says they shut down all of Manhattan, and everyone present was an actor.


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Simon Shack: Jew or not Jew? You decide! (He definitely looks like a Jew to me.)



I have never gone into any of this stuff, as I find it boring and pointless. I think the documentary is obviously retarded, anyone with any basic sense should be able to watch it and observe this, but even if it were true, the bottom line is that it doesn’t matter. Trying to tell people about something like this - even if it were true – makes a person look insane.


We understand that the Jews were responsible for 911. As Mike says repeatedly, there is no need to obsess over details. It was 12 years ago, and we have much more pressing issues to deal with, such as figuring out a way to get control of the state.


Simon Shack also claims that nuclear weapons do not exist. He even goes so far as to say that there are no satellites in the sky – this too is a part of an elaborate system of hoaxes which is much more complicated than reality ever could be.


Perhaps the best part of the show is when Tom in Connecticut, who was supposed to be John’s partner, comes on halfway through and decides to agree with Scott and Mike that there just isn’t any reason to talk about this stuff, and that Simon Shack is either insane or a shill, as evidenced by his list of insane assertions which is longer than my arm.


I will say here that I do not agree with Scott’s idea that we should talk about everything and let the people decide. If we want to have complicated discussions, we can do so in private, as a hobby. The message we present to the masses must be simple and easily digestible. Scott mentioned that he is now reading Mein Kampf, and I would hope that he will pay particular attention to the chapter on Propaganda. We have spent enough time trying to figure out what is going on in the world, and now is the time to streamline and reduce the message, to say things in a clear and simple manner, so that as many people as possible can understand it and come to our side.


After leaving the show in anger, John went on to write this piece about the debate, and according to Scott, posted it before the debate was even over.


John Friend is a Friend of Mine



I have said, repeatedly, that anything we as a movement spend time on needs to fit a clear agenda – the agenda being working toward gaining political power and repairing our broken society. Talking about fakery is hobbyism, and does nothing to work toward any agenda at all.


I consider John a good friend. But this simply has to stop. It is just all so weird and sick, and we have very real issues to be dealing with.


This all ties into the YouTube presentations of the gross Jew 108morris108, who comes from the same position that everything is somehow fake, and nothing actually happens.


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The Jew 108morris108



John has supported the Jew 108morris, who says that the Woolwich beheading was faked to make it look like Muslim immigrants are violent, and cause people in White nations to turn against the immigrants. He also claims that no one died at Sandy Hook.


In all honesty, it sickens me that I am even typing this right now. We are being genocided. Our birthrate is almost nonexistent, and the third-world invasion just keeps intensifying, we will soon be a minority in our own countries. Morality has eroded to the point where it is now referred to as immoral to oppose homosexuality. Religion has collapsed. The Jews are dancing around calling for an end to free speech, everyone is poor, the youth are using drugs on an unimaginable scale, and there is an overwhelming feeling across the board that there simply is no future.


And the most important thing John can think to do is engage in delusional fantasies about how everything is fake?


It just makes me sad.


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[PatColo]

Scott Roberts, who was teamed with MDelaney in the NP@WTC debate podcast, has posted a pretty good "10-point" breakdown of the anti-NP@WTC-ianity argument in the comments at JFriend's blog, beginning HERE.

1. Scott RobertsDecember 4, 2013 at 12:42 PM
   A few stand-alone points (I'll shoot for 10):
   
   #1. This isn't an "either or" debate. Just because we don't believe Simon's nonsense that does not mean we believe the official story either.
   
   #2. Simon's position is not just a "no planes" theory, the guy goes about a light year beyond that. So to those stating the obvious ("it doesn't matter whether planes were used or not"), pay attention, that's not the issue here.
   
   #3. We are not the ones obsessing over this (mostly) irrelevant nonsense and we aren't the ones losing sight of the big picture.
   
   And if you are going to ridicule a messenger for going on about the "Joos Joos Joos", then I don't really need to know anything else about you, your level of awareness, or your intentions.
   
   #4. Simon and Judy and Finklestein (or whatever his name is) and all of these other "9/11 conspiracy theorists" are all leading their various factions of the "9/11 truth movement" to NOWHERE. It's a big circus, where they engage in circular arguments, attempt to prove the others wrong (mostly by calling them names), and create "giant smokescreens" that keep the average person from ever connecting the Jewish dots (yet the John Friend's of the world are somehow baffled by and attempt to excuse the "mysterious" trend where none of these 9/11 truthers ever call out the Jews by name).
   
   #5. There is no way in hell that the Jews would ever go through such painstaking efforts in order to prevent the loss of "Gentile" lives, when their ultimate agenda is all about mass-murdering "Gentiles". The argument is absurd, especially when one understands that it's the Jews, not the "bankers".
   
   And I just can't wrap my mind around the manner in which John Friend (of all people) believes this ridiculous theory of Simon's despite the very foundation of it being so severely flawed OR how he gets beyond (even attempts to excuse) the fact that Simon fails to call the culprits out by name.
   
   I mean, if you believe that the sole purpose of opting for a "hoax" is to "spare lives", then how well do you know your enemy after all? And you simply must start from that point in order to follow along with Simon and his story telling, since that is clearly/admittedly the foundation for his entire argument..
   
   The very motive for pulling off a hoax was to make sure that "not a single life was lost", according to Simon. Take away that motive (one we know the Jews would never have) and the whole damn theory falls apart.
   
   
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   Scott RobertsDecember 4, 2013 at 12:43 PM
   #6. The Jews would naturally take whatever was the cleanest, easiest, most effective approach towards achieving their goals. The principle of Occam's razor certainly comes into play, and the fewer loose ends there are the better.
   
   Thus, it would make far more sense for them to kill 3,000 people and have a (relative) handful of loose ends (mostly Jews) than it would to kill "ZERO" people yet have thousands upon thousands of witnesses to contradict their story.
   
   And all in the name of "sparing lives"? I think not.
   
   #7. Real blood has a real effect on people. The whole 6 degrees of separation principle comes into play (and they knew it would), where pretty much everyone knows someone who knew someone who died on 9/11. That works in their favor, whereas the same principle would have blown up in their face a long time ago if they really cared so much about "sparing lives" (a baseless/laughable assertion).
   
   If you think there are a lot of "I had a friend who died in the towers" stories out there, just imagine how many "I had a friend who was detained and not allowed to go to work that day by these FEMA camp guys, with their giant smoke machines and neuralizer pens" stories there would be if what Simon says were true.
   
   #8. The idea that "they didn't want it coming back to them" as the reason for them being "so careful not to kill anyone" is just plain crazy, since they blamed the Muslims right away and would never have expected the "it's the Jews crowd" to gain any real momentum...And they see to it that we don't, due to their control of not only the MSM, but the alternative "theories" ("truth movement") as well. Here we are, 12+ years later, and the average person still has no idea that "it was the Jews".
   
   So thus far, it hasn't come back to haunt "them" at all ("they", the "elitists", the "globalists", the "Illuminati", etc). Why? Mostly due to people like Simon, who conveniently "fail" to call them out by name (and this commonality amongst these dissent leaders is not a coincidence).
   
   Besides, what do you think the "Goyim" would be more pissed off about? The "3,000" killed on 9/11 OR the trillions fiddled from our economy, the loss of rights we have tolerated ever since (which will ultimately lead to massive bloodshed as well), the MILLIONS who have been murdered since, or the ultimate goal they had in mind when they set out to murder the (relative) few on 9/11?
   
   
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   Scott RobertsDecember 4, 2013 at 12:43 PM
   #9. These hoaxsters almost invariably (I can't think of any exceptions) take their "no planes" theories and run with them all the way to "there were no kids killed in Sandy Hook", "there were/are no nukes", "there are no satellites", "we didn't walk on the moon" (a moot point, yet it is obsessed over), etc..etc...etc.... All the way to the point of telling you "there's nothing to worry about kids, it's not the Jews, and they don't have the weapons or technologies you think they have, so just go back to sleep" (which is clearly their agenda in the 1st place.. it's not some "inconsequential side effect" to their obsessing over trivial points).
   
   #10. These "enlightened" hoaxsters actually believe they are "two steps ahead of the curve" and that we are the ones who lack the vision to recognize their "faith" (and that's exactly what it is, as even John points to September Clues as though it were his bible). This despite the fact that their entire theory is based on nothingness, on taking the word of "Simon" (he insisted John "just believe" him several times in that one show alone), on believing that the Jews would be motivated to "spare lives" (well, they don't even name the Jews, of course), on wild conjecture, on drawing extreme conclusions based on inconsequential "evidence", (this bears repeating) on concealing the perpetrators identity (with John being a rare exception), and on using partial truths to build up their illusions.
   
   Simon is just a story teller. His narrative is based on some truths, but he indulges in fantasy at each step along the way. All the while he counts on his listeners never calling him out (again, John didn't question him on anything) and controls their thoughts with some very basic psychological tactics being employed. Yet somehow, I am sure that John (and those who share his BELIEFS) will conclude that we are the ones who are "just not getting it yet", as he refuses to budge an inch OR take a fresh, new, and objective look at all that Simon says.

Beyond that, I have several critical replies there as well, 'debating' Tom-in-CT beginning HERE,

and 'debating' Jeannon beginning HERE.

I'm not gonna paste the whole reply-chains here; if you're curious check them out at those links.


EDIT: I'll paste this reply from me here, hoping it'll be my last comment there!

PatColo December 4, 2013 at 7:22 PM



Tom said, <i>"... It may be a pipe dream to force a rule, regulation or law change - but I will still try. "</i>

Hey if you sincerely believe you can convince the masses of your NP@WTC belief, and subsequently "force a rule, regulation or law change" in the current joodeo-masonic-FCC & joodeo-masonic-court system environment; I say wear yourself out & best of luck.

I've said what I have to say re NP@WTC-ianity,
http://tinyurl.com/m258v6e
I share A.Anglin's sentiment where he writes, <i>"In all honesty, it sickens me that I am even typing this right now. "</i>

So here's what I'm going to do instead with the time/energy I would otherwise be tempted to spend engaging in this contrived "dogs chasing our tails" infighting ditch, over a speculative & irrelevant (as far as the forward movement of our 'movement' is concerned) question of HOW the 911 psyop was technically done. I recommend all sincere Truthers do the same.

1. Make "mini-flyers". With one 8.5x11 sheet, you'll be cutting to make 5 flyers. Hand-write (more personal feeling) the following message, 5 times, spaced from the top through the bottom of the page:
_______________
<i>Hi Friend. Please check out the following 2 videos:

WTC-7, The Smoking Gun of 9-11 (15 minutes)
www.architects-engineers.org

Missing Links: How Israel Did 9-11 (125 minutes)
www.911missinglinks.com/watch-movie </i>
_______________

^ you could do 3 links, I'd suggest rediscover911.com - just keep it short & succinct yet enticing.

2. Print however many of these as you'd like, whether on your home printer or Kinkos/etc. With your copies, cut them into mini-flyers, which will end up being 8.5" by ~2.2" each.

3. "Flyer" your neighborhood, or wherever you'd like. An effective placement is on cars. I like to roll the mini-flyer loosely, and slip them into the driver's door handle, in the space the driver will place their fingers to open the door. The loosely rolled flyer will act as an outwardly-expanding spring, so it stays put in the finger space. The flyer will be somewhat protected from rain/etc there; and you can put them there without even physically touching the car yourself (as opposed to putting them under the wiper). There are many other flyer placement ideas: shopping carts, free newspaper racks (put a flyer INSIDE each of the top 5-10 papers), etc. Mailboxes is your discretion; realize it's illegal to put anything inside US Mail boxes... If you're not shy, dress in your Sunday-best, and give them to people personally in a public gathering place.

Point is, I/we expend our Truther time/energy reaching NEW people; not "taking the bait" playing keyboard-commando/chase-your-tail with (contrived sub-factions within) "the choir" on the internet... ESP over nonsense like NP@WTC-ianity.

[PatColo]

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John Friend December 5, 2013 at 3:06 PM


I just published an article responding to this "debate" and Andrew Anglin's commentary on it.

http://www.john-friend.net/2013/12/t...aftermath.html

I will be responding to Carolyn Yeager's recent program in the very near future.

[PatColo]

for those following the bouncing ball; chronological order:

ADLaney & Roberts & Anglin did a 'debate' post-mortem show,

Mike Delaney's Prothink Radio Show 12-5-2013

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Roberts, Anglin, and Delaney discuss recent events surrounding the John Friend 9/11 no planes debate.
Prothink's audio archive
Prothink.org
9/11 - Missing Links
9/11:Israel did it
Israel-Mossad Banned News Report
Israeli involvement in the 9/11 magic show

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JF's treatise refuting CYeager's criticisms from her Sat 11/30 show,
Friday, December 6, 2013

Regarding Carolyn Yeager

and CYeager spent most of the 1st hour of her Saturday show talking about JFriend,

The Problem With “Nice”

Published on December 7, 2013 by Carolyn in Saturday Afternoon with Carolyn Yeager
&nbspec. 7, 2013


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Why “nice” is a weak concept among people in the desperate situation we are in. It allows questionable persons, events and organizations to pass unremarked upon because “it wouldn’t be nice” to point out their less than confidence-building behavior. There are many, many like this and they don’t want people noticing, so they rush to the defense of one-like-themselves who is being “investigated.”


Carolyn points out that Adolf Hitler did not believe in “nice,” but he spoke of the importance of selecting the right people who had the courage to make decisions, not for the benefit of an individual, but for the benefit of the whole. At that time, he did the first selecting, so it worked. Today, we don’t have someone with his enormous talent and courage, but we could look to him as a model. Special topics covered:

• John Friend and his emails: Carolyn responds to JF’s blog post

• The fallacy of thinking everyone is working for the same goal

• Adolf Hiter’s Platterhof Speech: How significant is it?

Podcast: Download

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JFriend is done with it all, see the end of his Yeager post:

The collective behavior of Carolyn Yeager and the trio of Delaney, Roberts, and Anglin demonstrate their utter dishonesty, both on a personal level and, even more importantly, on an intellectual level. Cheap attacks on my character and physical appearance, coupled with a total distortion and misrepresentation of my views, reveal all we need to know about these despicable, undignified, and mean-spirited characters.

Edit: JF's latest podcast:

Sunday, December 8, 2013

The Realist Report - Reflecting on 9/11 "debate" and its aftermath

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On this edition of The Realist Report, I'll be discussing the 9/11 "debate" I participated in last weekend and its aftermath. Tom in Connecticut will be joining me, and calls will be taken during throughout the program.

You can download the mp3 for this program here, or visit The Realist Report on BlogTalkRadio to subscribe via iTunes and view past programs.

Below are relevant links for this program:

• John Friend vs. Mike Delaney & Scott Roberts
• Thoughts on the 9/11 "debate" and its aftermath
• Regarding Carolyn Yeager

Posted by John Friend at 9:29 PM 8 comments:

[PatColo]

Interesting twist here; JFetzer and 2 other authors cranked this out:

Saturday, January 18th, 2014 | Posted by Jim Fetzer
Simon Shack, obf and the 9/11 “September Clueless” distractors

wherein they attack S.Shack and a couple others. Conspicuously NOT mentioned is J.Friend, who's one of Shack's biggest disciples. Fetzer is a "no-planer", but IIRC, his 'theory' is that they used 'holograms', :P

It seems FetzerCo maybe didn't want to spoil his amicable relationship with Friend, by not mentioning him in this piece.

[PatColo]

Don't know if or when I'll have the patience to listen to this latest, but posting here for posterity!


Sunday, March 9, 2014

The Realist Report - 9/11 debate

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On this edition of The Realist Report, we will be hosting a debate between two astute independent researchers into the events of 9/11. Don Fox and OneBornFree have radically different perspectives of what actually took place on 9/11, how the WTC towers were destroyed, the role the mass media played, who was ultimately responsible and why. We will be debating these and other issues pertaining to 9/11 during this program. Calls will be taken in the second hour.

You can download the mp3 for this program here, or visit The Realist Report on BlogTalkRadio to subscribe via iTunes and view past programs.


I'd like to thank everyone who has participated in and supported the Spring 2014 fundraiser for The Realist Report and this website! If you appreciate and support what we're doing here, please consider showing that appreciation and support by participating in the fundraiser and making a financial contribution. You can make a simple, easy donation using a debit or credit card through Paypal by clickingon the "Donate" button on the upper right hand side of this page. If you are uncomfortable using Paypal, please email me directly and we can make proper arrangements. Let's make the Spring 2014 fundraiser a success!


Opening statement: First off, I want to thank both of you for agreeing to this debate, and I'd also like to thank Dr. Jim Fetzer and Simon Shack for their important contributions to our collective understanding of 9/11, what really happened that day, how the operation was pulled off, who was responsible and why. In my view 9/11 is the most important and game-changing event of our lifetimes. 9/11 was the seminal event of this young century, and has had disastrous ramifications on American foreign and domestic policy, international relations and other aspects of social and political policy-making in the United States and around the world.

The official government and mass media explanation for the events of 9/11 is fraudulent on virtually all accounts. In my view, it has been firmly established that:

1. 9/11 was a sophisticated psychological operation involving extensive media deception including the presentation of manipulated or entirely fabricated video and photographic imagery coupled with false, scripted testimony from alleged "eye witnesses", "terrorism and National Security experts", government officials and other individuals presumed to be in positions of authority, both on the day of 9/11 itself and in the days, week, and months following that fateful day.

1. The official government and media promoted conspiracy theory alleging that fanatical Islamic terrorists connected to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda hijacked commercial airliners filled with innocent American passengers and then crashed those airliners into the World Trade Center towers in New York City causing their destruction, the Pentagon in Washington, DC, and a field Pennsylvania is an entirely fabricated, media manufactured deception.

1. 9/11 was planned, organized and executed largely by Jewish criminals connected to the state of Israel controlling key positions of power within the United States federal government and municipal governmental organizations and institutions in New York City. Jewish criminals also owned and controlled the World Trade Center complex and it is a well known fact that the mass media - which was the primary means by which the 9/11 deception was executed - is almost exclusively owned and controlled by Jewish criminals with deep ties to the state of Israel.

1. The events of 9/11 have been used to justify the illegal, fraudulent, and completely immoral and unjustifiable criminal wars of aggression the United States military and her NATO allies have and continue to prosecute in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen and elsewhere. The entire "Global War on Terror" was pre-planned by Israeli military and political strategists working in conjunction with Jewish intellectuals and public policy makers embedded in key positions within the United States political, intelligence and academic establishment. The "Global War on Terror" was designed to advance a strategic Israeli geopolitical agenda in the Middle East which would ultimately result in Zionist hegemony in the region using American and NATO military, financial, and human capital.

1. The events of 9/11 have also been used to justify the tyrannical abuses and subversion of the U.S. Constitution and traditional Western jurisprudence. The PATRIOT Act, torture at Guantanamo Bay and other prisons operated by the United States military and intelligence community, extraordinary rendition, targeted assassinations using unmanned drones and other domestic police state policies, in addition to the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security, were justified by the official explanation of the events of 9/11. The "Homeland Security" paradigm American domestic policy is currently formulated in is yet another Jewish constructed agenda which was planned well in advance of 9/11.

These are the basic conclusions I have come to regarding the events of 9/11. The issues we are going to be discussing and debating today are important. However, in my opinion the conclusions I just laid out are the most important ones that need to be brought to the attention of the American and global public.

The foundation of the 9/11 deception is that Muslim hijackers crashed planes into the World Trade Center towers in New York City. This is the most important aspect of 9/11 that needs to be exposed. The entirety of the official story rests upon this and the whole core of the deception falls apart when the seemingly strongest piece of evidence is in actual fact the weakest piece of evidence. No planes hit the World Trade Center towers, there were no Muslim hijackers, no passengers on board any of the alleged commercial airliners, therefore there can be no justification for the "Global War on Terror" and "Homeland Security". All other aspects that we discuss and debate on this program will always be secondary in importance to this simple fact.

Posted by John Friend at 4:06 PM No comments:

[PatColo]

Bollyn's Q & A portion currently on his homepage tackles the NP@WTC question; with the questioner & Bollyn's reply agreeing with my view:

Question: WHO are protected by the 9-11 holographic projection and video fakery narrative? Is there an 'inner sanctum' group of psy-ops professionals who think they can insulate themselves by conjuring a narrative that eliminates them from the suspects list?

Or are these narratives just stall and diversion tactics to divert attention, fragment the solidarity of the 9/11 activists, and mislead people away from the evidence that is very damning and which points to a long list of people and agencies which had the motive, the means, and the opportunity?

Bollyn Responds: A very good question. I would have to agree that these false narratives are primarily designed to serve as diversion tactics to divert attention and fragment the 9-11 truth movement. The Judy Wood theory that the Twin Towers were pulverized by a directed-energy beam weapon is yet another of these red herrings. The purpose of these false theories is to confuse the population, to distract the activists, and divide the 9-11 truth movement. This is not unlike the psychological warfare methods that are employed against the enemy population during war.

Separately, Bollyn recently got into a written spat with Gordon "40% Deliberate Disinfo" Duff over what may itself be a false dichotomy: mini-nukes VERSUS nanothermite @ WTC (the use of BOTH is possible, no? A little redundancy to insure total demolition?). So Fetzer invited himself into the spat, posting an article critical of Bollyn. Here's the three key articles, chronologically:

Duff 5/20/14:
Too Classified to Publish: Bush Nuclear Piracy Exposed


Bollyn (updated 6/2/14):
Gordon Duff: 9-11 Disinfo Toad


Fetzer 6/24/14:
Christopher Bollyn, “thermite sniffer”, attacks Gordon Duff as “9/11 disinfo agent”



I've deliberately (mostly) steered clear of the nanothermite OR mini-nukes (false dichotomy) "debate", for the same reasons Bollyn gives above for why NP@WTC/holograms is a divide & conquer gambit, intended to splinter & paralyze 911 Truth!

[Dachsie]

Well, guess I will weigh in a bit on this.

"9-11 holographic projection and video fakery narrative? "



The no-planes theory [NPT] is completely separate from the hologram theory and really is separate from the video fakery theory.

I personally believe in the NPT and the "video fakery" ideas but not necessarily the hologram theory.

Dr. Morgan Reynolds has done a better job than almost anyone in explaining NPT. There are several videos available where he explains this in detail. NoMoreGames.net

Technically Dr. Reynolds says "No Big Boeings" but Rosalee Grable, aka "the web fairy" says there were no planes of any kind that crashed into the WTC Towers and criticizes Dr. R. for his holding back in just saying No Big Boeings.

There is video fakery of all kinds regarding 9-11. There are so many anomalies regarding the Naudet Brothers video of the North Tower hit WTC! and really those guys were just a fake charade put together by the plotters of 9-11.

There are two famous videos of the South Tower hit, one ALLEGEDLY TAKEN by Evan Fairbanks and one by Michael Hezarkani. Both of the videos are a big joke. The MH film is the one of the plane, like a ghost walking through a wall, melding into the South Tower. Dr. Reynolds has a lot of fun with that one. The Fairbanks film is the one with the "pod" and a whole sub-group of the people focused on that one for a long time. It was the guy who started and still runs the "Let's Roll" forum. We used to call those "the pod people." (The cartoon pod on a cartoon plane was really swallowed hook, line and singer by a several subgroups of the 9-11 truth "movement." Fairbanks and Hezarkani basically sold their names and personas for a dollar price to be used in the Big Lie. It is doubtful they took any videos at all.

The whole Simon Shack / September Clues video fakery thing made some very good contributions but there is something misdirecting about their operation. They take some very extreme positions, e.g., "not one person was killed in the Towers", there are no valid still photos of the aftermath at Ground Zero, religiously avoid mentioning Zionist/Jewish operatives in NYC and top levels of our government at time of 9-11 and their strong connections to the event. We need professional video analysis done in an objective way by true independent entity. That is not going to happen.

It was clear to me early on that the Towers were not brought down by plane crashes and certainly WTC7 was not since it was not even hit by a plane and gave all the appearances of a classic controlled demolition. I thought it was stupid to think that the plotters would risk having real planes because there would be just too many things that would go wrong and make that be totally ridiculous. Again Dr. Reynolds explains it all pretty nicely.

All this bit about splitting up the movement yadda yadda is nonsense. We are talking about finding the truth as best we can taking into account all the meager evidence we have, the data, and evaluating and giving an ear to all theories. We don't give a flip about UNITY or keeping the movement together and never have. Its about truth. The 9-11 truth "movement" was split to smithereens from Day 1.

Dr. Steven Jones and his thermite diversion stuff came on early and corralled about 95% of the truth movement. He really wowed the groupies with his Ph.D. in nuclear physics and all his talk about "peer reviewed studies" and the iron spherules he collected from the dust. Jones is a Mormon and worked a good part of his life for the federal government/secret weapons development. He was instrumental in maliciously destroying the Pons and Flieshman "cold fusion" theory. He is a deceiver from the word go and he was the perfect deceiver to take control of the 9-11 truth seeking efforts. There was thermite found in the dust but there was a whole lot of other very important ingredients in the dust that he and his fake studies just "forgot" to mention, like about 10 nuclear fusion and fission pathway elements. Dr. Fetzer says whatever role in the destruction thermite may have played, the stuff is not an explosive (its an incendiary) and the role it played had to be a fairly incidental or minor.

The latest post on this forum about Putin and Gordon Duff's article about the specific kind of nuke that he thinks was used claims that the red-grey chips and the iron spherules, i.e., the nanothermite residue in the dust is what naturally would be produced by the nuke striking a mostly steel building. I have not heard that debated yet, but Dr. Jones has gone off stage now because he and his acolyte, Richard Gage, have done the damage they were charged to do and now they are faded off the scene and their "movements" have evolved in focusing on Building What?, WTC 7.

Jones always wanted for all his life to hold on to real hijackers so he always wanted to hold on to real planes. (Jones always was sneakily about supporting the official story.) He never spoke about planes except occasionally making fun of the no planes idea on the Alex Jones show. He finally had to develop his nanothermite theory full speed ahead when too many of the truthers were beginning to see that the official story was a Big Lie and could not possibly be true. That meant the war was an evil lie and the entire "war on terrorism" was also an evil lie to kill a lot of innocent people for Israel and the banksters.

Here is a good memo that Dr. Reynolds wrote that explains how Dr. Jones' thermite theory really was designed to maintain the validity of their being real hijackers.

"Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:21:47 -0500 [11:21:47 AM CDT]
From: "Morgan Reynolds"
To: "jfetzer

I am widely accused of discrediting the 9/11 truth movement but it is Gage/Jones/and the rest of their gang that does so. There is no substantive case for thermite or its variants playing a significant role in turning the WTC (mostly) to fine dust. Theirs is a distraction, a limited hangout, a fall back story for the perps who, once the 9/11official version I fairy tale lies in ruins, trot out version II: muslim terrorists used internally-placed explosives to bring down the WTC—ridiculous version II. "

Michael Collins Piper on one of the last radio shows he was on right before his hospitalization for heart surgery said clearly that Christopher Bollyn is very close freinds with Dr. Steven Jones and has been for a long time, so that explains Bollyn's dogged adherence to the nanothermite diversion, and diversion is exactly what it was. It was designed to steer everyone off the path of truth finding. I think Bollyn is a good investigative journalist and has made some excellent contributions to the Israili/Zionist/Jewish connections to 9-11 but he sure is wrong about Dr. Jones and his deceptions. A whole lot of what are highly respected alternative media spokespersons and writers also fell for the nanothermite nonsense too. I hope they all were simply sincerely deceived because otherwise they are all as guilty as Dr. Steven Jones in his evil deceptions. Bollyn ought to be able to see the Steven Jones / Mormons / Masons /Zionist-Israelis-Jews connections and I am very puzzled that the normally sharp and insightful Bollyn seems blind in that regard.

I do not know if we will ever know for sure exactly what or how the Towers were destroyed, but I am sure there were no commericial airliners, no passengers, no hijackers, and the war was something they had to make happen, they needed a "new Pearl Harbor, to carry out the neocons' plans for world hegemony. (see PNAC - Rebuilding America's Defenses ...document)

All in all I think Dr. Fetzer has done the best job of any of the 9-11 truth scholars but I personally do not belong to any group or theory and fan club.

All I know is that 9-11 was a Big Lie. It resulted in another long unjust war perpetrated by the USA and millions of innocent people killed by the evil cabal that runs the USA.

[PatColo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrePpa7QRXs



^ bomber 5.5 hour Renegade Radio Roundtable hosted by Scott Roberts, with guests JFriend and Angelo Gage. Advance playbar to 1h 41m for beginning of a ~20 min mixup re NP@WTC, ending when the chick calls in around 2h 2m. Needless to say, I agree with the perspective presented by host Scott Roberts & guest Angelo Gage.

"incidentally", the first 1h 41m is JFriend, SRoberts & AGage discussing JF's latest job loss due to his vile & disgusting anti-Shlomoism , discussed here:
Thread: Realist Report Owner Fired in Real Life for Website


Edit: I just made 2 comments at the renegade blog entry for the big 5.5 hour podcast (during which JFriend participated the first ~2 hrs); but my comments are awaiting approval. I'll paste them here, both for posterity and in case they don't pass the approval thing @ renegade:

Renegade Roundtable: Thought Criminals (9-12-15)

PatColo

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Great dialog throughout guys. Re the first 1h 41m related to JFriend’s forced resignation, yes the Harry Jones newspaper article was net-positive, and included those key holohoax & jooz-did-911 elements which will inevitably lead to many curious critical thinkers waking up. The only poison pill nugget in Jones’ article was his use of the “supremacist” label; hope I don’t need to elaborate the problems with that label. I prefer “preservationist.”

Regarding the ~20 minute “No Planes @ WTC” mixup beginning at 1h 41m, I started this discussion thread 2 years ago,

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?71312-Critical-of-JFetzer-amp-JFriend-s-No-Planes-WTC-campaign

^ …where I’ve outlined my view of the whole synthetic NP@WTC debate/distraction, which agrees completely with the view presented by SRoberts & AGage in the 20 minute portion of this roundtable; and add MDelaney in your Dec ’13 debate show (see reply #17 in the above gold-silver.us thread). This is with all due respect to JFriend who I admire greatly overall… as surely as I routinely repost his excellent articles. And he’s never censored any of the numerous comments I’ve made at his site, critical of (aggressively promoting…) NP@WTC.




PatColo

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Speaking of “…synthetic debate/distractions” (ala my view of NP@WTC), another topic which has taken on a life of its own, is the “flat earth movement”; which has found a home, or maybe otherwise been synthetically injected, into the truth movement.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?83953-Flat-Earthers-Won-t-Go-Away

^ My input there begins with reply #10. Importantly, check reply #59 which points to a podcast where “ball earth skeptic” kingpin Eric Dubay conflates flat earth advocacy with “…Freemasonry, Judaism, Veganism, Kosher Slaughter, Circumcision, Hitler, the Holocaust Hoax, Controlled Opposition, who really runs the world and why they have convinced you you are living on a spinning ball! ”

^ There lies the problem… similar to my view of the NP@WTC distraction, my first guess re this “flat earth” distraction is not only to bait “truthers” into a pointless & counter-productive infighting ditch, but also to be able to smear all “truthers” with the same pejorative brush via fraudulently injected conflation with “flat earthers.”

Don’t mean to “derail” this discussion with “flat-earther-ism”, but just to note the parallels with the NP@WTC distraction. A Renegade show devoted to…. at least clearly rejecting any association with the flat-earthers, might be worth considering?

[Nomoss]

Solving 911 Ends the War - Christopher Bollyn 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP_Ezjm7xDg
The updated version of Christopher Bollyn 2015 “Solving 911 Ends the War” is here:
https://youtu.be/Nbh_Z6lU4QU

Do take the time to see. Start about the 30min mark.