Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher

[palani]

Does the Federal Government own Nevada?

I am afraid they do. Do some research on Harry Truman's actions on and around June 20th, 1948. He passed some acts of congress into pubic law (quasi law because he certainly exceeded his authority) while congress was on a major recess. The acts he signed and which are to this day PRESUMED to be law deal with extending federal judicial areas over the several States using the names of those states.

To compound the problem everyone PRESUMES they are U.S. citizens and by this proclamation the federal government gains control over the actions of those people who should be supporting their individual states. You cannot have any control over anything when you are a subject.

[monty]

I am afraid they do. . . . . . .

I am afraid some federal judges agree with you. Perhaps "A well regulated (Constitutionaly mandated) Milita" might convince them that Article I Section 8 Clause 17 hasn't been amended. And President Truman's quasi laws do not extend beyond 10 square miles.

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[Ponce]

I am afraid they do. Do some research on Harry Truman's actions on and around June 20th, 1948. He passed some acts of congress into pubic law (quasi law because he certainly exceeded his authority) while congress was on a major recess. The acts he signed and which are to this day PRESUMED to be law deal with extending federal judicial areas over the several States using the names of those states.

To compound the problem everyone PRESUMES they are U.S. citizens and by this proclamation the federal government gains control over the actions of those people who should be supporting their individual states. You cannot have any control over anything when you are a subject.

Here goes Ponce again...thanks Palani, and that's why I am more than just a plain "subject" with a Land Patent and that's why I am only one of the few who can legally vote (I am not sure if it means county, state of federal) and if taken to court there are procedures that must be followed....break the rule and I go free.

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[palani]

I am more than just a plain "subject" with a Land Patent and that's why I am only one of the few who can legally vote

The land patent is just a piece of paper. Your ability to assert a right is what makes you not subject.

Reliance upon paper money is hard to overcome. Once you overcome this urge you might be able to establish more claims that you are presently unaware of. Bundy's use of land for commercial purposes is what is being regulated. What if he had no commercial claim or commercial use? What would be the basis of the BLM regulating him? They would have no purpose.

But that is nonsense, right? Everyone has to make money so they can pay the gas and electric bill. So they can pay property tax. So they can take vacations to other countries. Money is essential ... isn't it? Isn't that why everyone on this board is here? To be able to make more money from PM's? What do you have when there is no motivation to make money? No regulation? Freedom?

[Ares]

Stewart Rhodes OATHKEEPERS CORPORATION : KICKED OUT



Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wXHd...ature=youtu.be

[Ares]

BREAKING: Eric Holder ORDERS DRONE STRIKE ON BUNDY RANCH

Rumors are floating about suggesting that Attorney General Eric Holder has officially given the O.K. for a drone strike on the Bundy ranch. Although any such action has yet to occur, a source within the Department of Defense felt obligated to come forward as he expresses the legitimacy in such concerns.

The information comes from John Jacob Schmidt of Radio Free Redoubt, who says he was able to obtain information from a source that reports to the Oath Keepers. According to the report, Holder has given the go ahead on a, “hot drone strike,” that would certainly wipe out anyone and everyone in the immediate area.

Schmidt also explained in his report that no such action has thus far been made and expressed his hope that the government could come to some other form of resolution.

The national administrator of Oath Keepers, Leslie Bishop Paul, also wrote on his Facebook wall that the claims, “may, or may not,” be true, but expressed his optimism that, “sunlight,” would bring about another solution.

“Pray it isn’t true and pray it never happens,” Paul concluded.

The Liberty Beacon recently released a blog on the matter saying that the government is treating the Bundy situation like that of a schoolyard bomb threat. They go on to suggest that such an act of aggression would certainly, “be the straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back,” and would effectively trigger a revolution.

They further speculate that there may be manipulative means behind the threat saying that violence isn’t actually their intention. Instead, the Beacon suggests that the government is hoping to instigate violence from the militia guarding the property which, in turn, would allow for the government to enact martial law.

According to the blog, “So is this disinformation to get the boots on the ground to evacuate the scene so that BLM people can move in Waco style, or is it absolute bull to have us put out false info and destroy our credibility.”

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Adding to the credibility of such an explanation, the founder of Oath Keepers, Stewart Rhodes explained that it is entirely likely that the government would use the claims in a sort of a disinformation campaign. He further noted that, “The person who reportedly gave the information, he said, believes what he heard,” according to the Examiner.

Rhodes went on to explain that his source mentioned that Holder felt justified in his decision after being inadvertently backed by Reid’s claims where he labeled Bundy supporters as, “domestic terrorists.”

Mr. Conservative was not able to independently validate any such claims.

Adding further confusion to the claims, Schmidt conveyed, “Personally, I call “BS” on this supposed source. The story screams ‘set up’ and ‘operation whack-a-mole’. I understand this administration already thinks it can legally kill someone, without a trial, and their lemmings have referred to the patriots as “domestic terrorists,” but I believe someone (possibly in the Obama Administration), like a school kid, pulled the school fire alarm just to see what would happen.”

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/break...y-ranch_042014

[Ares]

Oath Keepers Bundy Ranch Debrief



Link to video: http://youtu.be/4HkSAewoESg

[Cebu_4_2]

Oath Keepers Bundy Ranch Debrief
Link to video: http://youtu.be/4HkSAewoESg

One guy talking the whole time? I mean 99% the time? Not sure what to get outta this video.

[Bigjon]

One guy talking the whole time? I mean 99% the time? Not sure what to get outta this video.

Not what I heard, everyone had their say and they sound a hell of lot more credible than the little guy in the sons of liberty video. He's hollering about provocateurs and sounds like one himself.

[iOWNme]

I am afraid they do. Do some research on Harry Truman's actions on and around June 20th, 1948. He passed some acts of congress into pubic law (quasi law because he certainly exceeded his authority) while congress was on a major recess. The acts he signed and which are to this day PRESUMED to be law deal with extending federal judicial areas over the several States using the names of those states.

I guess a child rapist owns the child in his basement because he said so? Is this the reason and logic you use to come to this conclusion? Do i need to 'research' his actions in order to be able to tell if he should own the child in his basement? Im really trying to find the moral principle of this statement. I dont believe you have any.

To compound the problem everyone PRESUMES they are U.S. citizens and by this proclamation the federal government gains control over the actions of those people who should be supporting their individual states. You cannot have any control over anything when you are a subject.

Again, where did you find this rabble? Have you been reading the scribbles of insane lobotomized monkeys again? Why do you persist at doing this? Havent you realized your NEVER going to find any reason or logic in the scribbles of 'Politicians'?

How about you stop analyzing things from a 'legal' (INSANE) perspective and try and apply your own moral code to the world. Is this a crazy idea to you?