Try buying ammo right now, lol

[EE_]

Nah, Im busy enough as it is with the holsters. I wouldnt mind having some other stuff on the table though. ;)

okay, just trying to throw some money making ideas your way :)

I think there's money to be made on these vests, for shooters, or hunters. How do you carry several AR/Ak mags and gear?

Look at some of them you can order out of China, some can be ordered with as little as 10 minimum order.
$8 - $15 each. Don't you think you could put 5 or 10 bucks on top?
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/699077881/Molle_Tactical_Vest.html

Take a look through a few pages and tell me which one you would like if you were in the market?
http://www.alibaba.com/promotion/molle_vest/promotion.html

[Heimdhal]

okay, just trying to throw some money making ideas your way :)

I think there's money to be made on these vests, for shooters, or hunters. How do you carry several AR/Ak mags and gear?

Look at some of them you can order out of China, some can be ordered with as little as 10 minimum order.
$8 - $15 each. Don't you think you could put 5 or 10 bucks on top?
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/699077881/Molle_Tactical_Vest.html

Take a look through a few pages and tell me which one you would like if you were in the market?
http://www.alibaba.com/promotion/molle_vest/promotion.html

I'll browse through for sure. I like to keep everything on the table "made in america" as much as I can. Since right now its just hte stuff I make, its all made in america, 100%.

We acutaly have a board member here who is close to someone that makes some outstanding tactical gear for the surplus community. I'd really like to get there stuff at some of our shows, but they're having trouble keeping up with their current demand, much less anything for me.

Most of what I look for is stuff related to CCW and self defense pistol use. I'd like to get some SD ammo for the table, like Speer, Hornady, etc. Paracord stuff is always good, etc.

My big issue is time. I make the holsters (in part) there AT the show, so I stay fairly busy. Theres time when I dont get out of my chair for hours on end because its one holster after another and I barley get face time with customers and rely on my show companions to occupy visitors ;)

[Twisted Titan]

Natchez shooters has 15 rd mags for Glock 19 (limit 10 per customer per day)

Anybody that needs em better grab em

[Norweger]

Is Geco considered a premium brand of ammunition? I've heard that it's a little hot.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=330011432

This is not far from twice as much as what it costs locally.

[Hitch]

This is not far from twice as much as what it costs locally.

If you can buy it locally for less, cash in hand, that is the best idea.

I recently spent $150 for 38 +P, 200 rounds, shipped. I couldn't find it locally.

Buy locally if you can. Otherwise, that price seems fair, imo.

[Norweger]

I live in Europe and it's produced in Europe so that might explain the difference... the mania hasn't come here yet, but if a lot of this stuff gets imported to the US it might become a shortage here as well. Our transactions get registered here for the police to see if they should want to, but it's only written down on a piece of paper and given to the authorities if anything criminal happens, but i agree it's always a point to pay with cash not to have it registered digitally.

Think I'm gonna try to max the quota I've been given by big brother to protect my self from a price hike.

What i am more concerned about is the .22lr because the European stuff is mostly competition grade and costs a whole lot more than the American stuff.

[mick silver]

they have some ammo ... http://centerfiresystems.com/AM762102.aspxhttp://www.thedailybell.com/images/library/kapow.jpg

[osoab]

I live in Europe and it's produced in Europe so that might explain the difference... the mania hasn't come here yet, but if a lot of this stuff gets imported to the US it might become a shortage here as well. Our transactions get registered here for the police to see if they should want to, but it's only written down on a piece of paper and given to the authorities if anything criminal happens, but i agree it's always a point to pay with cash not to have it registered digitally.

Think I'm gonna try to max the quota I've been given by big brother to protect my self from a price hike.

What i am more concerned about is the .22lr because the European stuff is mostly competition grade and costs a whole lot more than the American stuff.

Are you able to buy from multiple dealers?

[Twisted Titan]

Natchezz has 12 rd mags for the Glock 26 anybody needs em better jump on it

[Norweger]

Are you able to buy from multiple dealers?

I'm very limited at least locally.. just a couple of dealers. The norwegian postal service refuse to send ammuntion, but it's all good for now.

[Hitch]

Think I'm gonna try to max the quota I've been given by big brother to protect my self from a price hike

Norweger, care to explain how the quota works where you are? I feel this is the next step here, perhaps after assault bans. Regulating how much ammo we can own and purchase.

[kiffertom]

i just called my walmart. the woman who answered ask what dept. i needed. when i said sporting goods she said do i want ammo? i said yes and she said that she had a list she could read off of what ammo they did not have. no .22, .45, .223, 5.56. i ask her if she gets many calls. she said sunday mornings were unbelieveable. they are inundated with calls everyday but sundays were crazy!

[Norweger]

Norweger, care to explain how the quota works where you are? I feel this is the next step here, perhaps after assault bans. Regulating how much ammo we can own and purchase.

15000 rounds of ammunition if at least 5000 of them are .22lr is what we can have at our home. There's really no way for them to control what we have in our homes until they pay us a visit though.

We have to show a plastic card we all get from the police when we purchase a firearm to prove that we have guns in said caliber when buying ammunition.. the seller then writes it down in his book. I'm suspecting that this and whether or not we are on the range will be digitally monitored in the future.

5kg of gunpowder is also a limit.

[Twisted Titan]

Local stores are drying up

45 and 9mm are poof be gone and this is with a two box restriction

Rifle racks are sparse and every single glock in the store was gone even used 2nd and 3rd gen

Never seen anything even close to like it

They did have a few bricks of 22lr limit one box i think it was 40 bucks

I grabbed 3 boxes of 7.62x39 and was greatful

This really might be the new norm

[EE_]

I stopped in to a small local gun show yesterday.
What these guys were trying to get was laughable.
AK ammo, everyone was $1.00 a round
One guy had .22 mini-mags...he wanted $25 for a box of 100
Guys were selling silver rounds for $38 and $40
I told them it was nice of them to bring their collection to show everyone
No one has ammo cans anywhere around here

[Hitch]

I stopped in to a small local gun show yesterday.
What these guys were trying to get was laughable.
AK ammo, everyone was $1.00 a round
One guy had .22 mini-mags...he wanted $25 for a box of 100
Guys were selling silver rounds for $38 and $40
I told them it was nice of them to bring their collection to show everyone
No one has ammo cans anywhere around here

I picked up a few boxes of .22 lr yesterday, $10 per box of 100. Federal ammo. They had a fair amount of ammo on the shelves but I couldn't see all the prices. At the army supply store they had plenty of ammo cans. $17 per can. That price seemed a bit high so I passed on buying any.

[midnight rambler]

$17 per can. That price seemed a bit high so I passed on buying any.

It's highly unlikely ammo cans will get any cheaper than they are right now.

[milehi]

Thursday I stopped into two sporting goods stores in a small Eastern Sierra town. One place had nothing. The other place had a several boxes of 100rnd CCI Mini Mag .22lr, but he was only selling them with a rifle purchase. I did get some 9mm, but one box per customer or party. He wouldn't sell to my girlfriend. He had .223 too, but it was exspensive and I don't have anything chambered in .223

Big 5 in the city I work in was dry

Big 5 in the ghetto had four boxes of Rem .22 short for $4 for 50rnd, two boxes Win 7.62X54r soft point, and two boxes of the same in steel cased FMJ. Left with everything.

Chain gun shop in the same ghetto had .45 and 30-06. Nothing else, except two boxes of .12 gauge goose load, which I picked up

I pretty much went all in after Black Blade's "Buy it cheap and stack it deep" thread, but I like the hunt.

[Hitch]

15000 rounds of ammunition if at least 5000 of them are .22lr is what we can have at our home. There's really no way for them to control what we have in our homes until they pay us a visit though.

We have to show a plastic card we all get from the police when we purchase a firearm to prove that we have guns in said caliber when buying ammunition.. the seller then writes it down in his book. I'm suspecting that this and whether or not we are on the range will be digitally monitored in the future.

5kg of gunpowder is also a limit.

Thanks Norweger, this is probably what they will try and do here. 15,000 is a decent amount of ammo, and there's no way to know how much folks have at home..however, with the card, do they regulate how much you can buy per year? If a person is part of a shooting club, or target practices a lot, they would be showing their card and buying ammo quite frequently. I'd imagine that might make them a target for a home visit.

[Kali]

The 22LR shortage is nuts!

As soon as they hit the shelves, they are gone.

Resellers have sprouted up everywhere. There are hundreds of new GunBroker accounts selling them now.

Not sure why its so hot...more 22's owned maybe?

Shits hitting the fan.

This shit is mainstream now.

[Twisted Titan]

A 22 is a very inexpensive gun that even the most timid person could handle and absolutely devisrating in the hands of someone properly trained


Its has some of the cheapest ( until recent) prices and you got a good amount of ammo for it. A sizeable cachce could be built for a few hundread bucks


Its pure ecomnomics pushing the shortage

[Tumbleweed]

I was visiting a few nights ago with a fellow who's family manufacture ammunition. They have about 75 employees so they are a small company. He said they arn't trying to gear up to produce more but are producing all they can and keep the quality high. He said when there was the run on ammo before they hired new people and trained them but when supply caught up with demand they had to lay them off so they arn't going to do that again. It costs to much to train new emplyees and they want to keep the quality of there ammo at the same level it is now and new employees have an effect on that.

[Dogman]

Sounds like black hills ammo, they do make some good stuff!

[Tumbleweed]

He also said there is no reason for the jump in prices because their cost for components haven't changed.

[Twisted Titan]

He also said there is no reason for the jump in prices because their cost for components haven't changed.

Fear is a expensive component once that is factored into the cost of production.

[foolsgold]

I just picked up 1000 rounds of .357 magnum $389.99, $16 shipping. Reloadable brass.


158gr Semi Jacketed Hollow Point Bullet. Velocity: 1235fps. Energy: 535Ft-Lb. Non Corrosive. Case/1000rds


http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/Aguila_357mag_HP_case.html

[EE_]

I just picked up 1000 rounds of .357 magnum $389.99, $16 shipping. Reloadable brass.


158gr Semi Jacketed Hollow Point Bullet. Velocity: 1235fps. Energy: 535Ft-Lb. Non Corrosive. Case/1000rds


http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/Aguila_357mag_HP_case.html

Sounds like a real good price for .357
That company has a pretty good stock of everything except .22

Maybe the panic is waning?

[Sparky]

He also said there is no reason for the jump in prices because their cost for components haven't changed.

Price is where supply meets demand. Demand has moved.

[mick silver]

im sure glad when 22lr were less then 10 bucks for 500 i stock up . i remember on the old forum we talk about the day this would come to life well well it here . but i still am adding if i find ammo

[midnight rambler]

There are a whole lot more people who have gotten into the 'ammo re-selling' biz then most realize. That is largely driving availability - those who are thinking they're going to make a quick buck. I'm seeing a shitload of it on TexasGunTrader. Fuck those dickheads.

[mick silver]

http://gunblog.com/

[EE_]

http://gunblog.com/

I liked the video off that site. California check points
If only everyone knew and asserted their rights.

Nice how the cops are so pleasent to ask you to do them a favor and pull over...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fDCXzqgD99o

[kiffertom]

A 22 is a very inexpensive gun that even the most timid person could handle and absolutely devisrating in the hands of someone properly trained


Its has some of the cheapest ( until recent) prices and you got a good amount of ammo for it. A sizeable cachce could be built for a few hundread bucks


Its pure ecomnomics pushing the shortagethen or now. a few hundred bucks 5 years ago and you could wade through them. now today that would get you about 3000 rounds at 60 bucks a box of 500!

[mick silver]

http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammunition/223-556mm

[mick silver]

ammo cans .......... http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/ammo-cans-and-crates

[midnight rambler]

It appears SGammo is set to sell some more GT 7.62x39 since the GT listing is now up on that page, just zeroed out. I suggest you go on there and sign up for an email alert. I suspect it will happen in the next couple of days around lunchtime.

[milehi]

Today, instead of my usual stops, I hit some pawn shops and struck gold. I picked up four 500rnd boxes of Winchester Wildcat .22lr for $49. a box. And ten boxes of 50rnd Magtech 9mm for $19.99. I called my brother who picked up all the .223 and some 9mm. They also had 7.62X39 but I have plenty of that, but I will be back on payday if it's still there. The boxes of Wildcat are pretty beat up on the outside and look like they're from the 80's, but I was more than happy to clean out their stock.

I went by the coin shop too and picked up ten silver rounds. They said they're having alot of trouble getting silver and pilfered someone's order to get me my ten rounds, and limited me to those ten.

[Mouse]

I just picked up 1000 rounds of .357 magnum $389.99, $16 shipping. Reloadable brass.


158gr Semi Jacketed Hollow Point Bullet. Velocity: 1235fps. Energy: 535Ft-Lb. Non Corrosive. Case/1000rds


http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/Aguila_357mag_HP_case.html

Their web site has a glitch. It lists as out of stock on the main page but will let you order it anyway. I put in an order of that over a week ago and it hasn't shipped yet. I am hoping I get first dibs on next they have in and they just fill the order.

[mick silver]

i got 3 boxes of bb last night . hell there good for small game . got some before they go up

[foolsgold]

Their web site has a glitch. It lists as out of stock on the main page but will let you order it anyway. I put in an order of that over a week ago and it hasn't shipped yet. I am hoping I get first dibs on next they have in and they just fill the order.

I think it took two weeks for the order to arrive, customer service is extremely nice. Here's a form email I received after about 10 days.....

First and foremost we wish to thank you for being a loyal Armory customer. Most of you are already aware of longer than normal shipment dates due to the high volume of orders we are experiencing. This is being compounded by our warehouse crew contracting the flu that has been rampant across the country and reducing our processing/shipping capacity.


We are at 4-6 times over normal capacity and our staff has been working overtime to fill your orders and despite our efforts, please expect 10-15 days after placing your order for it to ship. As our standard policy, your credit card has not been charged, and will not be charged until we are ready to ship your product. You will recieve an email with a tracking number when this occurs.


We appreciate your patience and your business with us as we work hard to fulfill your orders as soon as possible.

[EE_]

Reloaders


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwmmsZ-aX4g&feature=player_embedded

[EE_]

Shooting ranges are getting busy again, ammo must be getting plentiful...
I asked the range master if I could pick up the casings while they were shooting

http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/66196.jpg

[chad]

my fleet farm had 100+ boxes of .223 in today. 4 box limit :(

[Hitch]

Shooting ranges are getting busy again, ammo must be getting plentiful...
I asked the range master if I could pick up the casings while they were shooting

http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/66196.jpg

We should go to the shooting range, EE. I'll take the lane to the right.

[Dogman]

Hummm?


Think I need to find a firing range that issues high heels to the women members! One almost ;D would think this pic is staged.

(As anyone really would care or not)

;D

[osoab]

Shooting ranges are getting busy again, ammo must be getting plentiful...
I asked the range master if I could pick up the casings while they were shooting

http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/66196.jpg

Was it stripper day at the range?

[Dogman]

Was it stripper day at the range? Hand guns us stripper clips?


;D

[7th trump]

my fleet farm had 100+ boxes of .223 in today. 4 box limit :(

Yes they sure do have 223...........keep going in until I ran out of cashiers who didnt recognize me.

[chad]

Yes they sure do have 223...........keep going in until I ran out of cashiers who didnt recognize me.

my tactic all day long tomorrow at 2 different stores. i have $1,000 to spend, let's see if i can get this done. $11.99 a box now, not too bad either, considering.

[milehi]

I went back to my honey hole today and they had dug out more .22lr. This time CCI Mini Mags. The boxes look ancient, and they were 20 bucks per hundred, but I picked up all eight boxes.

[7th trump]

my tactic all day long tomorrow at 2 different stores. i have $1,000 to spend, let's see if i can get this done. $11.99 a box now, not too bad either, considering.

What two stores are they?

[Mouse]

I think it took two weeks for the order to arrive, customer service is extremely nice. Here's a form email I received after about 10 days.....

First and foremost we wish to thank you for being a loyal Armory customer. Most of you are already aware of longer than normal shipment dates due to the high volume of orders we are experiencing. This is being compounded by our warehouse crew contracting the flu that has been rampant across the country and reducing our processing/shipping capacity.


We are at 4-6 times over normal capacity and our staff has been working overtime to fill your orders and despite our efforts, please expect 10-15 days after placing your order for it to ship. As our standard policy, your credit card has not been charged, and will not be charged until we are ready to ship your product. You will recieve an email with a tracking number when this occurs.


We appreciate your patience and your business with us as we work hard to fulfill your orders as soon as possible.

Thanks, fools. They shipped me today. I might order some more if they will let me.

:)

[chad]

What two stores are they?

Fleet farm and a true value hardware.

[Sparky]

Struck out at three different place this week. I think the shop owners are getting testy. When I called my favorite store (which was about the last shop to run out around here) and asked them if they're expecting any in, the guy answered testily: "Of course we are. We're a gun shop."

The local Walmart, which used to tell customers that you have to be lucky enough to be there when a shipment arrives, now simply says they're not expecting deliveries any more. I'm not sure if he was just saying that because he was tired of answering the question.

[zap]

LOL, no Huchiy mammas Mr. ! Keep on wishing.

[Hillbilly]

My local sporting good store was completely cleaned out of 22amo said some one came in and bought 300bucks worth now they have a sign of 2 boxes per customer per day.

[zap]

SHOULD -A bought back, when they weren't looking at ya.

[milehi]

Picked up another 400rnds of .22lr today. My honey hole is diging deep and finding NOS ammo from way back. Three more boxes of CCI mini Mag, and a box of Coast to Coast Maxi Mag. Never heard of it. Also picked up several boxes of 9mm UMC, Fiocchi .38 for Mom, and five boxes of Wolf .223 that my brother never went and picked up ($15 for 20 rnds). I'll let him know I grabbed them some time in the future when he's squirming.

[Shami-Amourae]

Shocked anyone is finding 22LR. I see a few boxes of Fiocchi 38 Special around in most stores. I think I bought it all up in my part of the state, hehe.

[milehi]

Try Big 5. I'm still getting .38 Win +P hollows. Delivery is mid morn Tuesday.

[Shami-Amourae]

That's where I'm going. It's cheaper there than the reloads at my local range.

=/

[Hitch]

My trip to the big town by me today, I completely struck out on ammo. Big 5 shelves were about empty. Biden would be happy they had some 12 guage, but that's about it. No 22lr. A few boxes of 30-06.

While talking to the guy he mentioned they get their shipment in on Wednesdays, and get cleaned out within short order. He said even the shipments they have been getting are small, a few boxes of various calibers.

[Hitch]

Had some success with the local gun guy. They seemed to have plenty of ammo, but they had some restrictions in place. Only 3 boxes of ammo per day, and they had 22 lr, one brick per person. So I bought 1 brick of 22lr and 2 boxes of 410 shot. The 22lr was $30 for 325 rounds. The 2 boxes of 410 were $14 each.

We also stopped by the army supply store and I bought 2 ammo cans for $17 each, based on midnight ramblers suggestion. These cans are also in the best shape I've seen of any ammo can, look brand new.

[Twisted Titan]

http://www.jgsales.com/-p-17804.html


300 rds of 7.62x54r on Mosin Chargers for 99 bucks

I got some the last time and was VERY happy with the quality.

If anybody needs it you better move now because this stuff is like a magic unicorn

[chad]

i have to say, the ammo fairies have graced my area. tons of .223 and 5.56, only problem is every store has 3 or 4 box limits. i'm going to 4 places a day on a loop and ending up with 14 boxes a day since last friday. have only struck out at one store since then. i feel bad that other people can't get it, but hell, i am hoarding like a mofo.

[Sparky]

I wonder what the regional distribution of this shortage looks like. My last dozen or so inquiries at 4 different locations have yielded no 9 mm. Reports I have read across the country indicated a 4x-5x increase in sales before the supplies ran dry. I'm just wondering if some parts of the country are better/worse than others.

[chad]

must be something like sparky. everywhere here has pallets of 9mm. want me to ship you some? :)

[Twisted Titan]

I agree

If i look hard enough i can run across 7.62x39.

But for the life of me its been about 2-3 weeks since i saw 9mm in 50 rd boxes

Last person that had it was cabelas and im kicking myself for not jumping on it.

[Rubberchicken]

Saturday morning I lucked out and was able to buy several cases of ammo. On the way home, I stopped at the gas station and this gorgeous blonde was filling up her car at the next pump.

She looked at the ammo in the back of my car and said in a very sexy voice, "I'm a big believer in the barter system. Would you be interested in a trading sex for ammo?"

I thought it over for a few seconds and responded.....

"Well, that depends…what kind of ammo do you have?”

[zap]

You all need anger mangement classes before you can buy ammo according to the state senator from Florida, Audrey Gibson, sorry no link heard it on FOX news. lol

[Rubberchicken]

You all need anger mangement classes before you can buy ammo according to the state senator from Florida, Audrey Gibson, sorry no link heard it on FOX news. lol

That really pisses me off.

[osoab]

check out these prices.

http://alamoammo.com/rifle-ammo/22-long-rifle/22lr-remington-golden-bullet-36-gr-brass-plated-hp-525-rnds-m-id-22lr-upc-047700009100

[EE_]

check out these prices.

http://alamoammo.com/rifle-ammo/22-long-rifle/22lr-remington-golden-bullet-36-gr-brass-plated-hp-525-rnds-m-id-22lr-upc-047700009100

$.47 a round for junk .22 ammo lol

[Horn]

Its funny, those less popular items that used to be expensive have pretty much stayed the same,

now they look reasonable compared.

http://alamoammo.com/rifle-ammo/6.5x55-se

[Horn]

Look at Hakim Ag/ M42 go, this rifle with steel ball loaded can penetrate 1/2" steel 100yds.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2Y8QrKhtEw

Too bad its so expensive to shoot, lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uXoBlMHPHA

[Hitch]

check out these prices.

http://alamoammo.com/rifle-ammo/22-long-rifle/22lr-remington-golden-bullet-36-gr-brass-plated-hp-525-rnds-m-id-22lr-upc-047700009100

I bought this same box of ammo a few months ago fo $18. Those guys want $250 now. Wow! Could 22lr be the best investment ever?

[osoab]

Could 22lr be the best investment ever?

Only if you find suckers that would pay that amount.

[Norweger]

In my opinion the prices will go down. There is no reason why they should remain at the current level. If you study the market you will see that it fluctuates a lot. The manufacturers produce even more ammunition now than what they did before sandy hooknose. Do people shoot more now that before? No, i would imagine less.

So the way i see it a lot of people have hoarded more than what they need and probably with credit cards and sooner or later they will have to dump at least parts of it on the market - causing the price to go down.

That .22lr example posted above here is just greedy in a nonsensical way.

[Hitch]

Only if you find suckers that would pay that amount.

True, but i remember buying silver for $18. If 22lr can go from $18 to $250 in just a few months of panic buying....imagine what silver could do!

[Horn]

7 yrs. ago 7.62X39 seems the best investment ever. More than quadrupled.

Right now 8mm FMJ looks like a good buy.

http://www.thingsmilitary.com/ammunition/8mm-mauser-fmj-20rds-19.95/

Also has the side benefit of maybe penetrating some Kevlar at range.

[EE_]

True, but i remember buying silver for $18. If 22lr can go from $18 to $250 in just a few months of panic buying....imagine what silver could do!

Only if there ever is a shortage

As it were, there is an infinate supply of paper silver.
I don't know of any paper bullets yet?

[mick silver]

22LR Remington Golden Bullet 36 gr Brass-Plated HP 525 Rnds M-ID: 22LR UPC: 047700009100$239.95



Qty Discounts Pricing


1
$239.95



36 Grains High-Velocity Brass-Plated Hollow Point Ammunition comes in a box of 525 Cartridges 22 Long Rifle Remington Ammo

[Sparky]

Are people here less likely to shoot as the result of the ammo shortage? I wonder how big the impact is at ranges, if people are less willing to part with their ammo. Anyone with the inside scoop from range owners?

[mick silver]

well sparky a friend of mine own a gun shop with a out door range untill this stuff came about with all the ammo being short and hard to get there was about 20 to 30 people a day there shooting now there maybe 2 or 3 a day . never in my life would i of thought this would be going on with guns an ammo . at his shop he had over 500 ar15 and the same with ak47s , he,s got none right now and to top that off you can buy just 3 boxes of ammo to top that off the ammo cannot be the same . the other day when i was there we started talking about the gov coming to your house to talk about making sure you have the guns that you brought an sign for and one of the guys that work there starting laughing his ass off then said when they come to your home to see if you have the said guns will be when they take your guns from you . theys guys have been around for many many years and there some truth to what there saying . oh ps the guy that owns the shop went to gun show out west to buy stuff to fill his store and his dad shop and came home with nothing

[chad]

Are people here less likely to shoot as the result of the ammo shortage? I wonder how big the impact is at ranges, if people are less willing to part with their ammo. Anyone with the inside scoop from range owners?

don't knwo, but i hope so. the people at my private range are even retards. i hope i have the whole place to myself come spring.

[milehi]

This morning, I picked up five boxes of Hansen Cartridge Co 9mm combat hollow points. 50rds for $40, and five boxes of .22 CCI Mini Mags. 100 rds for $20. All of it is new old stock. Did the paperwork for a G26, new in box which was $599 too.

[Twisted Titan]

Are people here less likely to shoot as the result of the ammo shortage? I wonder how big the impact is at ranges, if people are less willing to part with their ammo. Anyone with the inside scoop from range owners?

Im not shooting a dam thing unless im called to war.


If you need to practice you better dry fire with snap caps.

Get a bb gun if the budget allows.

[Shami-Amourae]

I got a Ruger Air Hawk. It is single fire shot, but it feels just like my 10/22. I scoped it and everything. It's a very accurate pellet rifle. It's shockingly more accurate than my 10/22 at 25 yards.

I still one day want to get the 357 Pellet gun that kills deer and people?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj5Aq7bz-tI

Takes down a hog with a PELLET GUN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSdHkXlu-lc

Red Hartebeest Antelope

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o0XVa5oyMU


The pellets:
http://www.pyramydair.com/a/Ammo/Airgun_pellets/384/calibers_0_357

[Tumbleweed]

I'm kind of wondering if there will be a run on crossbows next. Reloading supplies are pretty hard to come by as well as ammo. I stocked up on 22lr in the past but I'm not going to shoot any up just for the hell of it.

[Son-of-Liberty]

I still one day want to get the 357 Pellet gun that kills deer and people?


Not all that impressed by this gun. It is impressive for an air gun but doesn't really compare to what a rifle is capable of. It has similar power to a 9mm handgun but on that max setting would only shoot 4 shots before needing a recharge. It is heavy even for a rifle and is pretty weak. Although it might be able to take down a hog or deer I think it is even a bit under powered for that. It would be good for varmints at modest ranges. In that hog video it didn't even seem that quiet.

If it is reliable and long lasting you might be able to make a case for cost of operation but otherwise it seems kind of pointless.

[Roland]

Well going to head to the state capital this weekend to the gun show at cal expo and check out what they have. Not really looking to get much in the way of ammo but not going to pass up anything worth the money either. Hell I don't even like going to the gun shows very much due to how many assholes I see sweeping the crowd with unloaded firearms. Trying to find reloading supplies is like plucking hens teeth though. Can't find large pistol primes anywhere. pretty much are going to have to use magnum primers if your going to load anything. This stuff is drying up quick all over the country, Iv asked a few shops in the area and they can't keep xd's,glocks...ect, or any "black" rifles. I suspect these are not new gun owners reloading rather people who have shot for some time and are seeing the ammo going through the roof if they can even find it.


So with these record guns sales with new and long time gun owners buying ammo and reloading components while both ammo and supplies to reload disappearing in equal measure where is this leading? I mean there has to be a reason all these people are buying guns right? There has to be a reason all the ammo is going so fast and people are paying crazy sums for .22lr and other popular calibers right? Is a consensus building in the nation that perhaps our rights are under the gun(cheep pun) and my be threatened? Do people honestly cry out for common sense gun control as THE OLD MEDIA reports daily? Then those same people buy in record numbers?

Do the political actors in our towns, cities, counties and states though out this country who claim they represent us push these laws in our legislative bodies on The People's behalf or even in The Peoples best interest ?

Doesn't look like it from what we are seeing today. They make ordinary people criminals, one by one day by day. Where does this leave us? One nation full of criminals who have not harmed a single person only that theycould harm.Our beloved leaders must protect the innocent and the defenseless from the innocent, the armed, and the persecuted .What the fuck, somethings is wrong when living the way you did 30 years ago makes you a criminal today. Hello I mean really? Going to label innocent people criminal by the sure virtue of "because we say so?".

Yeh....No! Go eat a bag of dicks you pieces of shit.

What are we suppose to do? These guys are not public servants they are instead representing the public falsely. They do not act in the public's best interest's instead their actions benefits very few. Those few are not the majority.
They say we are doing something wrong. We say we are not. Who is wrong the people or the servant? Who serves who?

The actors on the hill act as though the laws are not for them, but for us. The courts do not hold up the law of the land. This is not something we can change easily, we have voted for different colors and they all mix to shit brown. We can petition for a redress of grievances, but if that goes unanswered then what? You know their wrong but you have no recourse other then to comply. Is this what we get end of story,There is nothing wrong Sit at home and drink tea and slave on? There is nothing we can dothat's the consensus right?. Bullshit, TPTB are scared. They have practically taken over the the world and got America by the throat, but the nation is starting to wake up. And the last thing they want to do is Jolt that beast awake before they have full Control. This growing trend of gun and ammo purchases and vocal citizens must be very un settling to these turds. People angry at them and armed. So whats the real consensus in this country not whats piped out of the sides of these snakes mouths.

[Tumbleweed]

I don't think the people who are buying up the guns and ammo want or are looking for a fight but they are preparing for one if they're pushed in to it.

[Roland]

No need to fight they are going to cause their own demise

[Son-of-Liberty]

I have this feeling that a lot of people that are overpaying for ammo now are going to feel pretty dumb when these shortages resolve. Which they will eventually unless civil war starts in the next few months. Some of this buying is just people wanting to get their hands on ammo because it is hard to find. Same sort of psychology of the people buying houses at the end of a boom, they are afraid they will miss out.

$239 for a $25 box of 22LR is retarded.

[Son-of-Liberty]

Some of these web sites you can get 30-06 for $21 a box of $20, same site they are asking $40-$45 for 20 rounds of 308. You would be better off to just buy a 30-06 and stock up on that then pay double to load up on .308 when there is a good chance it will come down in price eventually.

[Cebu_4_2]

I have a bucket full of .177 for my pump gun. Thing pops through backs of steel chairs. I really doubt the reality of taking out a tank or chest armor. It does almost take out 1/8 Tyvek (plastic) glass.

Shoot for the nads or elbows or eyes or legs. Fuck the full body shot, that just send a signal where you are.

[Spectrism]

Walmart has been empty for a long time now. I can't believe that demand would outstrip supply this way. It just seems beyond reason. I have to wonder if there is some government restriction on manufacturers making this happen. I could imagine a few weeks of limited supplies but then the manufacturers would kick in extra production to make hay while the sun is shining. But for 2 months? That just seems a bit much.

[EE_]

Gun shops face massive ammunition shortage

By Aaron Smith @CNNMoney March 12, 2013: 6:01 AM ET

Even .22-caliber bullets are in short supply, as gun lovers stock up on ammo.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
Gun enthusiasts are buying firearms with unparalleled zeal. As a result, ammunition is in short supply nationwide.
"We can't get any inventory within a 100-mile radius," said Mark Campbell, owner of Mid America Arms in St. Louis. He's having a hard time keeping ammo in stock. "It started right around the election, as soon as President Obama mentioned gun control. But right after the school shooting in [Newtown] Connecticut, that's when it went crazy."

Even the big ammunition retailers are feeling the pinch. Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500) has been rationing its ammo since January, to three boxes per customer per day. And when a gun retailer like Cabela's (CAB) gets two or three shrink-wrapped pallets of 5.56 mm or .223 ammunition for AR-15 assault rifles, they're "cleaned off like locusts, within a couple of hours," according to Brian Rafn, a research director at Morgan Dempsey Capital Management in Milwaukee who follows ammo manufacturers.

"You're talking about a massive civilian arsenal build up," he added.

As demand has climbed, so have prices, from $12 for a box of 50 rounds for assault rifles to $25 a box, said Rafn.

Ammunition manufacturers declined to comment on whether they've ramped up production, but Rafn expects that they have.

"They're probably [working] three shifts, seven days a week plus overtime," Rafn says of manufacturers like Alliant Techsystems (ATK, Fortune 500), Olin (OLN), Winchester, Hornady Manufacturing and Remington. "They're probably scrambling to build new plants like they haven't done in eons."

Anecdotal evidence certainly suggests they're busy.

The answering machine at Hornady Manufacturing in Grand Island, Neb., has an outgoing message that says "call volume, order volume and demand for product has increased dramatically," delaying bullet shipments to distributors.

Caleb Ogilvie, a concealed-carry instructor who works at Cabot Gun & Ammo in Cabot, Ark., has heard from various employees at the nearby Remington ammunition plant in Lonoke that "they're running full swing up there, running 24-7."

But Ogilvie said that it's tough to keep ammo on the shelves, despite his shop's proximity to the plant, a mere 15 miles away -- especially the once-ubiquitous .22-caliber.

".22 ammo, you cannot find anywhere right now," he said. "It's popular. It's cheap. People want to go out and target shoot. People just want to go out and plink."

One gunshop worker was too busy with customers to even speak to CNNMoney. The man who answered the phone at Shootin' Shed Gun Shop in West Winfield, N.Y., said, "Sir, you're talking to the only [employee] in here and there's nine people standing in front of me."

The recent sales activity comes even as one survey suggests a broader decline in gun ownership. A survey by researchers at the University of Chicago released last week found that 34% of adults owned guns last year, down from 49% in 1973.

But respondents weren't asked how many guns they owned -- just whether they owned any. And much of the recent activity is not reflected in that survey: According to FBI data, seven of the 10 biggest weeks ever for background checks for guns have occurred in 2013.

Industry experts and insiders say the congressional debate over gun control proposals, including background checks and a new assault weapons ban, is helping fuel sales now.

As gun lovers buy up weapons that may be banned or restricted, shares of companies like Sturm Ruger (RGR) and Smith & Wesson (SWHC) which make assault rifles (but not ammunition) have skyrocketed.

And if you haven't bought an assault rifle yet ... forget about it.

"If you were going to order an AR-15, you're going to be waiting two years," said Ogilvie.


http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/12/news/companies/guns-ammo-shortage/index.html?source=yahoo_quote

[foolsgold]

Plenty of 22 ammo here...

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/22_ammunition.html

[chad]

i tried ordering from there yesterday. it's all out of stock. placed an order and they called me back. they're having problems updating the site. the only thing they have is the colibri without powder.

[Twisted Titan]

No need to fight they are going to cause their own demise


Thats the ideal scenario.

Just give these idiots the widest berth possible so when the house comes down you are far away from ground zero


You just want to have effective means of protection during the aftermath.

[Twisted Titan]

i tried ordering from there yesterday. it's all out of stock. placed an order and they called me back. they're having problems updating the site. the only thing they have is the colibri without powder.



I called 2 shops that frequent for 9mm both of them laughed at me.

Scary as fricken hell.

One said they do have 45 acp and 10 rds mags but 9mm ammo is like finding a unicorn nowadays

[chad]

got a call from a buddy sunday night. walmart had 40 boxes of 500 round .223 with a 3 box limit. walmart is 17 miles from my house. sold out in the time it took me to drive there.

[Twisted Titan]

Its reaching the point where we have to be honest.

I looked at my stash and i can honestly say i have more then enough for me to effectively defend my house and person.

But i dont have enough to share and the truth is.....what others have or dont have is not my business.
.
When the hammer falls and you are under prepared or not prepared at all. all you can have at that point is my deepest smypathies.

Nothing to be gleeful about. ...just accepting of harsh reality

[chad]

yep. i have way more than enough as well. i'm trying to buy for my extended family now. they will all be coming to me for ammo soon enough.

[EE_]

I had to bag some of my target 9mm ammo to save room and not have buy more ammo cans.
An ammo can holds about 800 rounds in boxes, when bagged I am able to fit over 2,000 rounds in one 50cal can.
Specialty ammo/hollow points I still keep in the original boxes, in cans.
I have no intentions of ever selling my 9mm ammo...it's the main caliber that I shoot.

[Sparky]

I have this feeling that a lot of people that are overpaying for ammo now are going to feel pretty dumb when these shortages resolve. Which they will eventually unless civil war starts in the next few months.
...
I think this is inevitable, but the question is how long it will take. Supply & Demand is a fundamental relationship, and price is where supply meets demand. At what price does demand fall off? Once it does, where will the new equilibrium be? When will this equilibrium be reached?

[Sparky]

Interesting article posted by EE. A couple of questionable comments:

"They're probably [working] three shifts, seven days a week plus overtime," Rafn says of manufacturers like Alliant Techsystems (ATK, Fortune 500), Olin (OLN), Winchester, Hornady Manufacturing and Remington. "They're probably scrambling to build new plants like they haven't done in eons."

Doubtful. Manufacturers don't scramble to build new facilities based on a short term surge in demand. They raise price.

One gunshop worker was too busy with customers to even speak to CNNMoney. The man who answered the phone at Shootin' Shed Gun Shop in West Winfield, N.Y., said, "Sir, you're talking to the only [employee] in here and there's nine people standing in front of me."

Really? What gun shop has only one person on shift these days?

[Son-of-Liberty]

Walmart has been empty for a long time now. I can't believe that demand would outstrip supply this way. It just seems beyond reason. I have to wonder if there is some government restriction on manufacturers making this happen. I could imagine a few weeks of limited supplies but then the manufacturers would kick in extra production to make hay while the sun is shining. But for 2 months? That just seems a bit much.

You have to figure the mentality and number of people involved. Casual gun owners who only bought a box or two of ammo each time they went to shoot and might only have a couple hundred various rounds sitting around the house all of a sudden started stocking up and the worse the shortages get the more urgency they feel to get a hold of some ammo.

Guys that buy a box of 50 a month all of a sudden realize that they should have 500, 1000, 2000 rounds of that caliber and they are buying everything up. The ammunition manufacturers are being asked to produce a couple years worth of production in a few months. Just isn't going to happen. Plus on top of that they have to fill the massive orders from the government.

The only good thing about this situation is a lot of folks who never thought they would need to stock up before are doing so.

[foolsgold]

9MM ammo...

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/9mm_ammo.html

[midnight rambler]

You have to figure the mentality and number of people involved. Casual gun owners who only bought a box or two of ammo each time they went to shoot and might only have a couple hundred various rounds sitting around the house all of a sudden started stocking up and the worse the shortages get the more urgency they feel to get a hold of some ammo.

Guys that buy a box of 50 a month all of a sudden realize that they should have 500, 1000, 2000 rounds of that caliber and they are buying everything up. The ammunition manufacturers are being asked to produce a couple years worth of production in a few months. Just isn't going to happen. Plus on top of that they have to fill the massive orders from the government.

The only good thing about this situation is a lot of folks who never thought they would need to stock up before are doing so.

So tell me - where is the .22 LR ammo?? There is none to be found anywhere, pretty much. The ONLY .22 LR ammo I'm seeing is from individuals listing on texasguntrader.com

http://ammoseek.com/?gun=rimfire&cal=91&grains=0&mfg=&include_kw=&exclude_kw=&noblanks=noblanks&sortby=cpr

[Sparky]

9MM ammo...

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/9mm_ammo.html

Out of stock, but they make up for it by offering a great sale price:

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/media/themesmedia/pixelclr.gif



























http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/media/ammo/fed/ss_size3/Fed_9mm_124_namLg.jpg (http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/9mm_115_FMJ_Federal_Box.html) 9mm Luger (9x19mm) 115 gr FMJ Federal American Eagle Box (50 rds) (http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/9mm_115_FMJ_Federal_Box.html)




Quantity
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Price
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On Sale!
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[Hitch]

Its reaching the point where we have to be honest.

I looked at my stash and i can honestly say i have more then enough for me to effectively defend my house and person.

But i dont have enough to share and the truth is.....what others have or dont have is not my business.
.
When the hammer falls and you are under prepared or not prepared at all. all you can have at that point is my deepest smypathies.

Nothing to be gleeful about. ...just accepting of harsh reality

I like this quote "a gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one...you probably won't need one again."

[Kali]

I'll trade 10 rounds of my 22LR for one of your SAE's.

Yeah, we're not there yet but when we are, hit me up.

[Twisted Titan]

I look on guns america and AK and Glocks are flying but then i ask myself



Getting the gun was the Easy part.....try building a decent ammo reserve it dam near cant be done


50 rd boxes of 9mm of no name ammo are going for allmost a 1 a pop

I can definately see somebody coughing up silver rounds for ammo rounds

And be happy as hell to do it.

[Son-of-Liberty]

So tell me - where is the .22 LR ammo?? There is none to be found anywhere, pretty much. The ONLY .22 LR ammo I'm seeing is from individuals listing on texasguntrader.com

http://ammoseek.com/?gun=rimfire&cal=91&grains=0&mfg=&include_kw=&exclude_kw=&noblanks=noblanks&sortby=cpr

http://www.todayifoundout.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/johnny-carson-toilet-paper.jpg

A lot of this is panic buying but exacerbated by the feds purchase orders.

[midnight rambler]

http://www.todayifoundout.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/johnny-carson-toilet-paper.jpg

A lot of this is panic buying but exacerbated by the feds purchase orders.

There cannot be 'panic buying' if nothing is available for purchase. The inventory is just not there, period. If you think it is, then show me.

[midnight rambler]

WTF is the .22LR ammo??

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/browse/pistol-ammo-22-ammo.aspx?c=95&s=903&stk=1&d=121

[midnight rambler]

IMO, the money powers are 'allowing' *just enough* of the popular centerfire rifle rounds to be imported to prevent people from coming to the all too obvious conclusion.

[chad]

cabelas has golden bullet, limit one 100 round box. whoo-hoo.

[midnight rambler]

cabelas has golden bullet, limit one 100 round box. whoo-hoo.

Are you sure about that? Currently website says sold out - http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Ammunition/Rimfire-Ammunition|/pc/104792580/c/104691780/sc/104536080/Remingtonreg-22-LR-Rimfire-Ammunition/734676.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshoot ing-ammunition-rimfire-ammunition%2F_%2FN-1100192%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_104536080%3FWTz_l%3DSBC%253BMMcat1047 92580%253Bcat104691780&WTz_l=SBC%3BMMcat104792580%3Bcat104691780%3Bcat104 536080

Very interesting that lately when ya DO see .22LR available it's fucking Remington.

[chad]

that was short. fwiw, i got my one box.

shitty ammo, but hey...

[Son-of-Liberty]

IMO, the money powers are 'allowing' *just enough* of the popular centerfire rifle rounds to be imported to prevent people from coming to the all too obvious conclusion.

I don't know how the ammunition manufacturers facilities are set up but I would imagine that they don't all produce every caliber non-stop. Probably do runs of one caliber then switch when they have enough. Maybe they have several different assembly lines but obviously not one for every caliber.

Perhaps to meet demand for 9mm. .40, .223 and .308 they have been focusing their production on these, which also happen to be what the government has ordered. Remember that most of those orders were to lock in price and were not fully delivered up front. So they have gotten behind on .22

Also pretty much every gun owner has a .22 so if there is a shortage you are going to have panic buying from everyone. Not just the preppers and tactical crowd.

[Son-of-Liberty]

that was short. fwiw, i got my one box.

shitty ammo, but hey...


This is exactly my point. As soon as it is available people are buying it, so it appears there is none but that is only because it is being snapped up so fast.

[chad]

i wonder if you can bring ammo across the border? my buddy in ontario has 5,000 rounds of .22 he says i can have for free.

[midnight rambler]

I don't know how the ammunition manufacturers facilities are set up but I would imagine that they don't all produce every caliber non-stop. Probably do runs of one caliber then switch when they have enough. Maybe they have several different assembly lines but obviously not one for every caliber.

Perhaps to meet demand for 9mm. .40, .223 and .308 they have been focusing their production on these, which also happen to be what the government has ordered. Remember that most of those orders were to lock in price and were not fully delivered up front. So they have gotten behind on .22

Also pretty much every gun owner has a .22 so if there is a shortage you are going to have panic buying from everyone. Not just the preppers and tactical crowd.

The CCI/Speer facility in Idaho is dedicated strictly to .22LR production.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvK9QlQtrKI

This video states CCI makes 4 million rounds/day of .22LR ammo. If only five days a week of production, that's 352 million rounds since 12/14, so WTF is it?? ???

[midnight rambler]

I just spoke with someone at ATK (Speer, CCI) and she advised me that they're running 12 shifts (24/7 production) and it's all getting soaked up - "People are waiting in line at stores to grab it as soon as it hits the shelves." I asked her that since the video showing production at the Lewiston facility was stated to be 4 million rounds/day and they're running 24/7 then the monthly production rate would be at least 120 million rounds/month, so is that all being soaked up immediately? She answered in the affirmative. I also asked her if 'the internet rumor' was true that us.gov was soaking up production and she replied, "That's not true." She also advised me that the word at ATK is it's going to remain this way into the foreseeable future as long as demand remains as high as it is. Same applies for Speer GD pistol ammo.

She also advised me to keep an eye on the MidwayUSA website for ATK ammo, as MidwayUSA has orders on the books going back a while.

So a word to the wise - do not buy ammo from the 'ammo re-seller assholes' who have popped up all over to take advantage of gun owners 'desperate' for ammo.

[chad]

had a guns show here last weekend. got a tip that walmart had 500 round cases of .223. all sold out by the time i got there, but i did see 2 guys buying the last of it, 3 cases for each guy. fast forward to me going to the gun show 3 hours later: the guys were dealers, and had the prices marked up from $154 a case to $499.

[midnight rambler]

had a guns show here last weekend. got a tip that walmart had 500 round cases of .223. all sold out by the time i got there, but i did see 2 guys buying the last of it, 3 cases for each guy. fast forward to me going to the gun show 3 hours later: the guys were dealers, and had the prices marked up from $154 a case to $499.

Assholes. Anyone fucking with the arms of the people are assholes - NO excuses*.

*"I'm just practicing capitalism" - no, you're unclear on the concept asshole - without the liberty teeth in place you won't get to practice your fucking 'capitalism' you dense dipshit

[midnight rambler]

Went to the MidwayUSA website - expected availability of 500 rd. bricks of .22 CCI Stingers - 5/13/13

[Son-of-Liberty]

http://youtu.be/YjVqZ_--0Cs

[Sparky]

With all the manufacturers running at full capacity, I was wondering why the price of copper, lead, and nickel have all been down over the last 30 days, while warehouse inventory has been up. You'd think the manufacturers would be competing for base metal resources. Perhaps they simply represent a small fraction of the overall demand for those metals. I would also guess that ammo manufacturing has a very high recycling rate of all the spent cartridges collected at ranges. (I wonder how much money the ranges make by recycling them.) Though with people hoarding rather than shooting, the ratio of manufacturing to recycling must be way up lately.

[midnight rambler]

http://youtu.be/YjVqZ_--0Cs

The fucker in the video is a crack smoking retard. When the ONLY place to find .22LR ammo is from the opportunists/ammo resellers/price gougers on gunjoker* (as in NO retail outlets nor even online) then there's an ammo shortage.

*what if one does not have or does not want a gunjoker account??

[chad]

what a dumbass. when there isn't any for sale anywhere on the planet, there's a shortage.

[mick silver]

hey guys i got a load of rocks today .

[Tumbleweed]

You got a slingshot to go with your load of rocks Mick?

Maybe this is you in this video. :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ieWrWLjii0

[EE_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcRE5j8e-vw&feature=player_embedded#at=699

[JDRock]

not one...but TWO gun stores reported yesterday that ammo will not be available for 2 1/2 YEARS.

[chad]

sounds about right. they will have killed everyone by then. with the 500,000 that are left, they can let a little .22LR trickle out.

[Hitch]

500 round boxes of 22 lr available here as I post, a bit pricey though..

http://www.ammunitionstore.com/products/22lr-ammo-wolf-performance-40gr-match-target-500-round-box.html

[chad]

good lord, i have one of those i paid $12.99 for.

[Hitch]

not one...but TWO gun stores reported yesterday that ammo will not be available for 2 1/2 YEARS.

The two gun shops I went to yesterday were picked clean of ammo, and guns, too. One guy said don't even bother driving around looking for ammo, you'll be wasting gas.

[Twisted Titan]

http://www.ammunitionstore.com/products/9mm-ammo-115gr-fmj-nato-spec-imi-mfg-50-round-box.html



Anybody heard of this stuff?

[chad]

it's israeli (Israeli Military Industries, Tel Aviv, Israel) , so you will go to hell if you buy it. google tzz 98. probably does a 180 when you shoot it and comes back to hit you in the face.

[willie pete]

I have a little bit of 9mm IMI stuff I've had for a while now, one is black-tipped the other isn't, both are HOT rounds meant to be used in an smg. I've run a few through my SiG, I wouldn't recommend a steady diet through your hangun

[Twisted Titan]

A 115 grains is considered a hot load?

I dont worry. ...all my pistols are Glocks they eat +P+ like skittles


35 bucks for milsurp is expensive as hell

[willie pete]

A 115 grains is considered a hot load?

I dont worry. ...all my pistols are Glocks they eat +P+ like Trayvon eats skittles


35 bucks for milsurp is expensive as hell

115 grains is the bullet weight, I'm speaking of the powder charge and yes $35 for military surplus is over-priced, but then again EVERYTHING is over-priced these days

[mick silver]

http://militarygunsupply.com/index.php?main_page=products_new .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1WhhKH3QVU&feature=pyv&ad=6832211627&kw=slide%20fire

[mick silver]

http://militarygunsupply.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=57&products_id=1082 ,,, http://militarygunsupply.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=57&products_id=1105

[Son-of-Liberty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=933oo8RYWr4&feature=share&list=UUWJHDMgKWWvOsdyRF3HPVEw

[Rubberchicken]

Right now, somewhere, Black Blade is laughing his ass off...

[milehi]

I picked up 600rds of .22lr and 500rds of combat 9mm. As long as people are pawning their ammo, I'll be buying it. Picked up three Glock 10 rd 9mm mags too for $20 each too.

[Twisted Titan]

What was the damage on 9mm melhi?

[Dick_Stabber]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=331983822


Gunbroker is getting out hand..

[milehi]

What was the damage on 9mm melhi?

$35-50rd hollow point
$25-50rd Rem UMC

.22lr CCI Mini Mag $20 per 100rd box

[Dogman]

I think the point has been made, and eventually prices will fall again.

If anyone knows a reasonable source of primers, large and small (I only have abt 30000) of each (match) let me know! Have the powder, can in a pinch cast the lead.

[mick silver]

back up

[Hitch]

A friend found some 22lr for me. They would only sell him 4 50 round boxes. $20, $5 per box.

[Twisted Titan]

Just got off the horn with my local gun shop trying to by 9mm

One guy just laughed

The other spot did have but under some strange conditions:

I could purchase 9mm BUT ONLY IF I WAS USING IT AT THE RANGE THAT DAY..

what that tells me supply is still virgin tight but more importantly practice ranges are falling silent as people hoard anything they get.

Just further confirmation about how serious it is out there

[mick silver]

today i got a 100 rounds of 9mm at the shop i go to . they were the cheap pnc stuff but what the hell . i payed 12.99 a box of 50 . also got a box of 45 auto and 100 rounds of 22lr . thats all i could get for the day . hell he got ammo but he holding back so he can sell guns

[Heimdhal]

I just picked up another 1,000 rounds of Yugo M67 7.62x39. It was tough to find well BEFORE the panic, so I didnt hesitate too much.

[Hitch]

This might be the wrong thread to ask this question, but what do you folks think about saving 22lr for barter purposes?

I've read, 22lr 'could' be used as money, and the recent shortage....even when times are stable, really jumped out. Seems 22lr could really hold it's weight against silver. Up until recently , 90% junk silver to me screamed barter, emergency savings. I'm wondering if the 22lr shortage is really giving us a big warning. When SHTF, 22lr will be worth more than silver.

Merc dimes or 22lr? For barter? I'm grabbing all the 22lr I can find, personally. Heck, if I need to make chicken chow mein with squirrel meat, folks will think it's chicken, I can hunt with that.

[vacuum]

I think you're right Hitcher.

[Hitch]

Get your 22lr here....50 cents a round! And, it's sold out!

http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?r=view&i=428697&source=linkconn&lct=s&cID=GSHOP

[chad]

i have that same ultra match and i paid like $5 a box for it. maybe less, i'll have to dig a box out and look at the sticker. i think i bought it right after christmas.

[Tumbleweed]

I was at a farm and ranch supply store yesterday and checked out their ammo supply. They had quite a few boxes of shotgun shells and ten twenty round boxes of 30-06 for $22 each. When I left their shelves were bare except for the shotgun shells.

[drafter]

A guy that works with me was pretty excited today because a friend of a friend was willing to sell him 100rnds of 9mm. All I could say was, "You do know that's like only 2 boxes?" I guess 2 boxes is better than none when you have zero ammo currently, since he just bought the gun. Crazy times we're living in.

[7th trump]

A guy that works with me was pretty excited today because a friend of a friend was willing to sell him 100rnds of 9mm. All I could say was, "You do know that's like only 2 boxes?" I guess 2 boxes is better than none when you have zero ammo currently, since he just bought the gun. Crazy times we're living in.

Gandermountain here in these parts has over 3000 7.62x39 rounds with everyone walking right on past it. Down the street at Dunhams sports its the same story........all kinds of 7.63x39.
However, there were over 15 people looking at hand guns.
last week there was 9mm, 40 and 45acp, but its doubled in price from a month ago....today at GM theres was only box's of 40mm.

And shit loads of HMR.17 every where which I'm thinking of getting a rifle or an upper chambered in that cal.
Anyone heard any good news about the HMR.17 AR upper.
They want over 600.00 for an HMR.17 upper only which is ungodly of a price, but the power and availability of the HMR.17 over a .22lr might be well worth the price.

[Norweger]

I'd love a .17 HMR pistol. To bad there's no reliable semi automatics.

[chad]

i have an hmr and it is a good round. that being said, keep in mind that ALL HMR ON THE MARKET is made by cci. the only reason you see it in stores is because so few people own the caliber. if it gets popular, finding ammo for it would be like if all .22LR on the planet was made by blazer. it'll eventually be impossible to find. if you do buy an hmr, buy massive amounts of ammo for it asap. it is currently the caliber i am stockpiling, as i eventually expect it to completely disappear forever. pricey as hell too.

[milehi]

I picked up 500 more rnds of 9mm and 500 rnds of .22lr yesterday. I also picked up my G26 after the 10 day wait period. Not only do you have to wait 10 days, but you have to wait until the time of purchase on the receipt. This morning my girlfriend and I shot up all the ammo I bought yesterday. It felt good to get some practice in and get to know the new pistol.

[Hitch]

I had a score today, 325 rounds of 22lr. What's neat, is this ammo comes in a can, not a box. The can is nitrogen sealed and weatherproof. It says the perfect solution for long term storage. This ammo can would be perfect for a bug out bag. Made by Federal, called the fresh fire pack. $30.

[chad]

I had a score today, 325 rounds of 22lr. What's neat, is this ammo comes in a can, not a box. The can is nitrogen sealed and weatherproof. It says the perfect solution for long term storage. This ammo can would be perfect for a bug out bag. Made by Federal, called the fresh fire pack. $30.

rebranded be prepared ammo. i have 3 cans on order :D

[mick silver]

http://backyardliberty.com/av/index_r4s.php

[Hitch]

rebranded be prepared ammo. i have 3 cans on order :D

Chad, got a link, or a local order? Couldn't find the rebrand name on a search. I don't mind paying extra for this type of ammo. Peace of mind.

[EE_]

Local law enforcement face ammo shortage as gun owners, DHS stock up
Published March 23, 2013

Local law enforcement agencies across the country are facing an ammo shortage, as gun owners concerned about new laws at the federal and state level stock up on firearms and bullets.

At the same time, the Department of Homeland Security has said it wants to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four or five years -- which could put further strain on the supply.

The shortage, coupled with an increase in prices, comes as many gun owners head to the stores in anticipation of new gun control laws. States like Colorado and New York have already approved such legislation, while Democrats move toward bringing a bill to the Senate floor. At the moment, the congressional bill does not include an assault-weapons ban, but a ban is expected to be floated as an amendment.

Still, what one official described as "panic-buying" set in, as lawmakers rallied to draft new legislation in the wake of a series of tragic mass shootings last year, from Aurora, Colo., to Oak Creek, Wis., to Newtown, Conn.

In Tennessee's Hamilton County, the sheriff's department says its officers will be given fewer bullets when they train at the range.

"The concern over firearms availability and ammunition availability and potentials of gun control certainly has impacted the availability of ammunition purchased locally," training coordinator Jody Mays said, according to WDEF.

Earlier this year, Rollingwood Police Chief Dayne Pryor told MyFoxAustin.com that "panic-buying" is contributing to a situation where officers trying to order new firearms are being forced to wait. He said the city, which is outside Austin, has been told to expect wait times to purchase AR-15s and ammunition.

"We have adequate supplies right now, but we're limited to how often we can go to the firing range to train because we want to be conservative right now," he said.

Similarly, the Jenks Police Department in Oklahoma has faced rising ammo and assault weapons costs.

Police Chief Cameron Arthur said the department is still waiting on an order from October, according to KJRH.

Meanwhile, according to CNSNews.com, Rep. Timothy Huelskamp, R-Kan., said he still hasn't heard back from the Department of Homeland Security on why it's buying 1.6 billion rounds.

The Homeland Security Department, though, has said it needs the bullets for law enforcement agents in training and on duty.

Published federal notices about the ammo buy have agitated conspiracy theorists since the fall. The government's explanation is much less sinister.

The Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga., and others like it run by DHS use up to 15 million rounds a year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department's training center last year.

The rest of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition would be purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government's second largest criminal investigative agency.

The Homeland Security ammo buy is not the first time the government's bullets purchases have sparked concerns on the Internet. The same thing happened last year when the Social Security Administration posted a notice that it was buying 174,000 hollow point bullets.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/23/local-law-enforcement-face-ammo-shortage-as-dhs-stocks-up/?test=latestnews#ixzz2OQ3wOWA5

[Hitch]

I just ordered one of these. A case of 5000 rounds 22lr, colibri quiet rounds.

There's 6 left as of now. $300 bucks. Probably too much, but having 5000 rounds of urban hunting I'm sure I'll not regret this purchase.

http://www.sgammo.com/product/aguila/5000-round-case-22lr-colibri-powderless-low-noise-20gr-bullet-not-semi-auto-read-desc

[Dick_Stabber]

Urban hunting requires more power then 22lr, 223 maybe.:rolleyes:

[Hitch]

Urban hunting requires more power then 22lr, 223 maybe.:rolleyes:

You don't need much for small game, 22lr is fine. Lot's of duck, geese, small game around I keep seeing...

I've read good reviews of this Colibri ammo. It's a primer only cartridge, should be very quiet. I took a gamble on this purchase, but I've shot simunitions, and been shot with simunitions, primer only paint cartridges. They pack a punch. They are also quiet. If this colibri ammo is as quiet as simunitions, I will be very satisfied. I think it should be.

[Roland]

Urban hunting requires more power then 22lr, 223 maybe.:rolleyes:
I find squirrel to be hard targets for any 22lr/.223 when they are behind cover in a urban hunting situation, like say a tree branch or a car door. The .308 may prove king for putting vermin in the stu pot.....though a quite little 22lr may prove invaluable in picking up a larger caliber that may be just lying around.

[Tumbleweed]

Seems like I remember reading somewhere that in Vietnam the 7.62 39 bullets would go through an 8 inch thick tree trunk, come out the other side and still kill someone. That's the kind of gun and ammo I want.

[mick silver]

how many here think people thats living out in the country going to let anyone from the citys go hunting on there land if the system was to crash . plus game would be killed off real fast

[chad]

deer in wisconsin were unheard of until the late 1970s until the mid 1980s. it took them 60+ years to recover from overhunting during the great depression. turkeys in our state went extinct from the depression, they had to restock them and build them back in the 1990s.

[Sparky]

Was at the shop this morning. The place was packed, like it seems to be every time I'm there. The only thing they had for me to buy was some grips. Of course no 9 mm in sight. The owner was working the express cash register (he was one of a half dozen guys working behind the counter). I asked him about availability of Beretta mags, and he said they've had none "since the election."

Then I asked about 9 mm. He said the next shipment won't be in until next week, and they're much smaller than they used to be. (This is a high-volume gun shop.) He said he has to hold back some 9 mm for gun purchasers; he'll sell them 100 rounds. I told him I understood. When I asked him if they update their web site when ammo comes in, he said no, cuz people would overrun the place.

So as I'm paying for the grips, he said, "You're a regular customer here, right?" I said yes, and that I had bought my Beretta here. So he said to hang on for a second. He went into the back room, and came back with two boxes of 9 mm which he was careful not to let others see, and slipped them into my bag. He charged me the regular price; no mark-up at all.

I told him I was very appreciative. :D

[chad]

i have two 92fs mags i don't need sparky. if you want them, send me a pm and their yours. somebody gave them to me for free years ago. i already have enough at this point -glad to help out somebody who needs them.

[Twisted Titan]

God bless that shop owner for his kindness

[kiffertom]

i went to bass pro shops today. theyve been telling me on the phone everyday for the last three that they were waiting on a truck to come in. today i got there about 9:15 a.m.. the truck arrived last night. they had 40 s&w they had about 7 boxes of .380. they had .38 special, 357 magnum, and some 44 magnum. the people who i saw walk in the door headed straight for the ammo dept.! no 9mm! no.22lr! they told me it was already gone!

[Hitch]

Bump.

This site has a bunch of ammo. If you need 38 +P price seems reasonable. Otherwise, a little bit expensive. 7.62x39 in stock at 50 cents a round. They have 22lr as well. If you need a specific caliber it's worth a look.

www.ammunitiontogo.com

[midnight rambler]

Bump.

This site has a bunch of ammo. If you need 38 +P price seems reasonable. Otherwise, a little bit expensive. 7.62x39 in stock at 50 cents a round. They have 22lr as well. If you need a specific caliber it's worth a look.

www.ammunitiontogo.com (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com)

Rumor has it that ATG has changed hands at the end of last year. I shy away from them after they took over 2 weeks to fulfill an order for shotgun ammo they indicated was 'in stock' when I made the purchase.

[Hitch]

Rumor has it that ATG has changed hands at the end of last year. I shy away from them after they took over 2 weeks to fulfill an order for shotgun ammo they indicated was 'in stock' when I made the purchase.

Thanks midnight, I have not ordered anything from them. I just noticed they had stuff in stock.

[JDRock]

What were seeing here IS the black market....is isnt coming, its here. We can get all the right ammo we want if were willing to knock on the right doors and pay the jacked up prices...i refuse . FVK you if you gonna hoard and stockpile and charge fellow americans 5x what its worth.
Fvkheads...things are breaking down already even among the gun crowd! Civility, honor and fair trade has been replaced by rapacious greedy assholes gouging one another! good luck with the revolution dickheads!whats it gonna be like when this is FOOD were talking about??
..your right mick, GTFO of all suburban and urban areas NOW, or just make your reservation at a fema camp.

[Ponce]

Got a brick of subsonic 22's today for $60.00......better to pay that much today before the paper money becomes no good.

V

[Hitch]

Local gun guy had 22lr cci mini mags. 100 rounds, $9. Nice to see a fair price. 2 box limit. He also had 45-70 gov't for $43 a box. No 223 or 7.62. No 9mm. Had 38 +P for $20 a box of 50. Plenty of 12 guage too but didn't see the prices. The 2 box limit was for all ammo, so I chose the CCI because I have seen any of it, anywhere, until today.

I must say, I am really impressed with the gun community. This shop could have sold that CCI for 3 times the price, and it would still sell to happy customers, just to get it.

[milehi]

Stopped by two places today. One only had oddball rounds, but they did have a Springfield XD9 which I put a deposit on since I need to wait 30 days between handgun purchases in CA. The other place was out of .22lr but had all your other favorite rounds.

[Hitch]

Sparky. Do you need 9mm?

I don't own a 9 mil, but I'll pick up some if you need, and ship it too you. I haven't seen much around these parts locally, but I will keep my eyes open. I will buy any 9mm I come across.

[Sparky]

Sparky. Do you need 9mm?

I don't own a 9 mil, but I'll pick up some if you need, and ship it too you. I haven't seen much around these parts locally, but I will keep my eyes open. I will buy any 9mm I come across.

Thanks Hitcher, but it's illegal to ship ammo to Mass, and I don't want to get anyone in trouble. But thanks for thinking of me!

[Hitch]

Thanks Hitcher, but it's illegal to ship ammo to Mass, and I don't want to get anyone in trouble. But thanks for thinking of me!

No problem. I didn't realize it was illegal.

I was just thinking if I came across a box of 9mm, it would be tempting to buy it, but I haven't seen any, anywhere. However, I don't own a 9mm and don't plan on getting one. Ethically I think it's wrong to buy ammo when you don't own the gun to shoot it. It could be depriving someone of that box who may really need it.

[JDRock]

fwiw, i found a guy in montana with EVERYTHING. all calibers...ar 15s, mags, and parts kits for them. the only .22 lr he has is the sealed cans u guys were talking about. pm me if you want his #

[milehi]

Had to run down the hill and mix with the Flatlanders, so I stopped by the pawn shop to see if anyone had sold more .22lr to the shop. I picked up six boxes of CCI Mini Mag. $6.99 per box of 50 rds. The boxes looked like they were from the 80's.

[Twisted Titan]

No problem. I didn't realize it was illegal.

I was just thinking if I came across a box of 9mm, it would be tempting to buy it, but I haven't seen any, anywhere. However, I don't own a 9mm and don't plan on getting one. Ethically I think it's wrong to buy ammo when you don't own the gun to shoot it. It could be depriving someone of that box who may really need it.



Better it be in your hands Then the Gubbermint who wants to make sure you have no reasonable means of self defense or the price goughing @$$crack that fails to realize his way of life going to coming to a shcreeching halt when Lucifers Hammers comes down on all of us.

[midnight rambler]

It is becoming all too obvious by this point that fedgovinc.biz is hindering the importation of foreign produced ammo, otherwise we'd be swimming in it now.

[Hitch]

Better it be in your hands Then the Gubbermint who wants to make sure you have no reasonable means of self defense or the price goughing @$$crack that fails to realize his way of life going to coming to a shcreeching halt when Lucifers Hammers comes down on all of us.



I hear you, TT. I just ordered some expensive ammo for my 45-70. Garrett ammo, and Buffalo Bore.

Now, these guys did not raise their price. Even in our current ammo crunch, their prices stayed the same. I just pulled the plug because of that...

They didn't price gouge.

The local gun guy I went to yesterday, 100 rounds of CCI for $9. Fair price. They limit it to 2 boxes per customer. He could sell that for 3 times that price...but why isn't he?

Do you folks see what is going on? The gun community...has some ethics. The gun folks, are for the people. They could sell all their 22lr at huge prices in an instant.

But they don't. They have box limits. They want us all to have our ammo, that we need.

I just think that's amazing. I have huge hope for our future because of this.

I won't buy any ammo I don't have a gun for. I think that's unethical. I want to do my part. Let the guy who needs it have a chance at getting it. My two bits. We all come together here. Let's show these fed assholes we won't sink to their level.

[Sparky]

Even though there is some internet gouging going on, I agree with Hitcher that the gun folks generally stand by each other in face-to-face interactions. I'll repeat this quick story that I posted a couple of months ago:

"So on my way home I stopped at WalMart, where I've never bought ammo before. [...] While I was there, another guy came and bought their last three 250-count boxes of .40. As he was at the register, another guy came by and said, "dang, I came here for .40." I suggested he ask the customer at the register (who I had chatted with, and was a good guy) if he would be willing to give up one of his boxes. He was. I told him he did a good deed, and he smiled."

I have another story: I was at Bass Pro a few weeks ago where the 9 mm shelf was empty. I heard a guy behind me bragging to his buddies: "Yeah, I just cleaned them out of their last 10 boxes of 9 mm!" So I turned around, and said jokingly, "Thanks a lot, pal." He didn't know what to say, so I told him I was just kidding, and that I don't blame him a bit. About 5 minutes later, I was browsing over in the mag section, and the same guy comes up to me and says, "You're the guy looking for the 9 mm, right?" When I said yes, he reached out and handed me a couple of boxes from his stash. A perfect stranger.

[Twisted Titan]

I hear you, TT. I just ordered some expensive ammo for my 45-70. Garrett ammo, and Buffalo Bore.

Now, these guys did not raise their price. Even in our current ammo crunch, their prices stayed the same. I just pulled the plug because of that...

They didn't price gouge.

The local gun guy I went to yesterday, 100 rounds of CCI for $9. Fair price. They limit it to 2 boxes per customer. He could sell that for 3 times that price...but why isn't he?

Do you folks see what is going on? The gun community...has some ethics. The gun folks, are for the people. They could sell all their 22lr at huge prices in an instant.

But they don't. They have box limits. They want us all to have our ammo, that we need.

I just think that's amazing. I have huge hope for our future because of this.

I won't buy any ammo I don't have a gun for. I think that's unethical. I want to do my part. Let the guy who needs it have a chance at getting it. My two bits. We all come together here. Let's show these fed assholes we won't sink to their level.


Even though we come from two different schools of thought....our objectives are the same : When its in your capacity Be Good to your fellow Sister or Brother.

Even though I "horde" I tend to feely share when I come across those in need because.

as I have been blessed too many times by the kindness of strangers to be otherwise.

[mick silver]

the range is a great place to meet guys that reload ... think about that one for a second are two

[willie pete]

was talking to the walmartian in the sporting goods dept asking about "how" ammo comes in etc....'cause the cabinet is ALWAYS bare, she said they were receiving ammo shipments, but whats happening here and I suspect in a lot of places, people are waiting in the morning for the truck, she confirmed this, she said people are waiting in the dept for them to stock the ammo and they buy it all in a matter of minutes, I inquired about 5.56/.223 & 9mm, she said typically they get between 20-30 boxes of each, but it doesn't stay on the shelf long at all

[midnight rambler]

the range is a great place to meet guys that reload ... think about that one for a second are two

Already thought about it - reloading doesn't do you any good at all if you can't get components (i.e. primers, projectiles, powder, brass). Think handloaders are going to share their (limited) hoard of components with someone they just met? Think again.

[midnight rambler]

was talking to the walmartian in the sporting goods dept asking about "how" ammo comes in etc....'cause the cabinet is ALWAYS bare, she said they were receiving ammo shipments, but whats happening here and I suspect in a lot of places, people are waiting in the morning for the truck, she confirmed this, she said people are waiting in the dept for them to stock the ammo and they buy it all in a matter of minutes, I inquired about 5.56/.223 & 9mm, she said typically they get between 20-30 boxes of each, but it doesn't stay on the shelf long at all

There's also the very strong likelihood that insiders at ChinaMart and other retailers are either grabbing it before it hits the shelves or giving their pals a head's up so they can resell it. Assholes.

[milehi]

There's also the very strong likelihood that insiders at ChinaMart and other retailers are either grabbing it before it hits the shelves or giving their pals a head's up so they can resell it. Assholes.

I've always thought this too. Like the state employee friend of a friend who always has state park issued single ply TP at his house.

[Black Blade]

i am looking for a Saiga 12ga ,20 round drum have you guys seen any . if you have post a link to were i can get one thanks m s

If you still looking: http://www.mdarms.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1&zenid=sr4p6iurpgdmtcb4brgepfghn5

Got a couple of these a few years ago.

[Twisted Titan]

The Silver Sammy of Ammo has spoken!!!

Tremble in fear ye mortals.

Tremble.

[mick silver]

just order this one and it price right also ........... http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/9-60192

[Heimdhal]

just order this one and it price right also ........... http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/9-60192

You got ripped off. Firstly, beause pro mags makes crap magazines for all but a VERY VERY few guns (like a couple marlin .22's), secondly, because Cheaper Than Dirt is about the worst internet firearms company, in price, customer service and shipping. They have repeatedly fear mongered and priced gouged their cusomters at every turn for the last 5 years.

[chad]

i've found multiple boxes of .223 and .22LR over the past week. of course, i spend about 3 hours a day looking. have bought up 2,000 rounds of .22LR in the last week alone, and not at high prices either. just have to check cabelas.com and midwayusa.com hourly. it does come in, you just have to be there within about 15 minutes of it being posted. got 500 rounds this morning :)

[midnight rambler]

ammoman.com has Federal 5.56 M855/SS109 atm, although the price is not that competitive.

[Hitch]

Has anyone heard of HSM ammo? They have 223 in stock at 76 cents a round. Their 45-70 prices are fantastic however. Was curious if anyone had any experience with this ammo.

[Heimdhal]

Unless you are in dire neeeeed, I would suggest everyone wait before making any big ammo purchases. Prices WILL be coming down, within the year. Why buy at the top of the market?

[chad]

Unless you are in dire neeeeed, I would suggest everyone wait before making any big ammo purchases. Prices WILL be coming down, within the year. Why buy at the top of the market?

because then i have some. ;)

besides, $50 delivered to my house for 500 rounds is a risk i'm willing to take.

[Hitch]

Unless you are in dire neeeeed, I would suggest everyone wait before making any big ammo purchases. Prices WILL be coming down, within the year. Why buy at the top of the market?

I found $28 for a box of 45-70 HSM ammo online. That is down, I've never found 45-70 at that low of a price online. 45-70 is usually around $35-$40 a box. Thinking about ordering some, but need to research if HSM ammo is decent. It's a higher velocity round too.

[Horn]

I've never found 45-70 at that low of a price online. 45-70 is usually around $35-$40 a box.Thinking about ordering some, but need to research if HSM ammo is decent.

I'm pretty sure your the only person this side of the fruit checkpoint that uses that cartridge, so feel free to omit us from your findings.

[Libertarian_Guard]

I'm pretty sure your the only person this side of the fruit checkpoint that uses that cartridge, so feel free to omit us from your findings.

No, it's not the least popular lever action shell. I'm thinking of several WAY more powerful, with less range, that very few shoot.

[Horn]

No, it's not the least popular lever action shell. I'm thinking of several WAY more powerful, with less range, that very few shoot.

There's one way to alleviate this problem, we all get black powder license and store it at Ponce's.

I wonder if depleted Uranium works into ball ammo easily?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np2v1EtQnSk

[willie pete]

There's one way to alleviate this problem, we all get black powder license and store it at Ponce's.

I wonder if depleted Uranium works into ball ammo easily?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np2v1EtQnSk

it's amazing to me how little deformity exists in the spent DU rounds

[Hitch]

I'm pretty sure your the only person this side of the fruit checkpoint that uses that cartridge, so feel free to omit us from your findings.

I know there's at least one other member here that owns a 45-70, but understand that most folks aren't interested.

BTW, the 45-70 can drop any animal on this planet, two or four legged. It's dropped deer, hogs all the way up to the big game in Africa. I'm going to get mine ready for elk. The big 420 solid grain slug has great penetration. Also, it's the most fun gun I've ever shot.

I ordered some HSM ammo, seems to get good review. Their 9mm is inexpensive, $15 for 50 rounds. You can buy it in bulk as well. Site's worth a look for those interested.

http://store.iqmetals.com/

[Black Blade]

Finally! I have 8 tins of 5.45x39 shipped from Sportsmans Guide and another 18 in processing. This has been on backorder since late December. I have some other crates of 7.62x54r that should ship soon as well. Might be some light at the end of this ammo tunnel after all. Now if only "cheap" 5.56, 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 milsurp would reappear.

[Heimdhal]

Finally! I have 8 tins of 5.45x39 shipped from Sportsmans Guide and another 18 in processing. This has been on backorder since late December. I have some other crates of 7.62x54r that should ship soon as well. Might be some light at the end of this ammo tunnel after all. Now if only "cheap" 5.56, 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 milsurp would reappear.


Define "cheap", lol! I have some Yugo M67 I was going to unload at a gun show, just a little though. That stuffs going for almost a buck a round locally.

[Black Blade]

Define "cheap", lol! I have some Yugo M67 I was going to unload at a gun show, just a little though. That stuffs going for almost a buck a round locally.

Yikes!!! "Cheap" is relative these days. I have the tins of 5.45 coming in at $132/tin (1080 rounds) with membership, coupon codes and SPG VISA discount. Most vendors that do have it want $200+/tin now. The tins of 7.62x54R (440 rounds) at about $157 shipped (SPG) same deal. I think that the prices will be even higher from here on out though. These are all backorders being shipped now. Think I am done buying bulk ammo unless I see a screaming deal as I am well stocked anyway. Saw this day coming for a long time so I prepped and my investment has nearly tripled to quadrupled in the process. My last wood crates of Yugo M67 and M75 I got last year from Wideners and the prices now on GB are absolutely insane! Who knows, the prices may return to "normal" in a few years. Back to adding more physical bullion and long term nonperishable food storage now.

http://peakoilpetroleumandpreciousmetals.yuku.com/topic/4882/Survive-and-thrive#.UVw57FeG6WE

[gunDriller]

I know there's at least one other member here that owns a 45-70, but understand that most folks aren't interested.

BTW, the 45-70 can drop any animal on this planet, two or four legged. It's dropped deer, hogs all the way up to the big game in Africa. I'm going to get mine ready for elk. The big 420 solid grain slug has great penetration. Also, it's the most fun gun I've ever shot.


had to look that up.

took me to this -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45-70

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50-90_Sharps

the 45-70 is tapered (a little harder to machine the chamber, in some machine shops.)

as far as i can tell, the 50-90 is a straight wall bullet - no taper.

"Neck diameter .528 in (13.4 mm)
Shoulder diameter .528 in (13.4 mm)"

hope i'm reading that spec right.

[Hitch]

had to look that up.

took me to this -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45-70

First time I read that article just now, and it creeped me out a bit. 3rd paragraph down it starts "After the Sandy Hook tests of 1879...."

Sandy Hook tests, 45-70 GOVERNMENT. Yikes.

FWI, modern 45-70 loads have improved and after studying the ballistics, I figure with practice, a good scope and the right load, I should be able to reach out to 200 yards for elk hunting. Hopefully. Modern ammo and modern guns can shoot a bullet with over 3000 ft-lbs of energy. A 420 grain solid brass bullet smacking a large animal at 1500 fps second is a big brick to toss at a window. The ballistics (and hunting stories I've read recently) make me even a more proud 45-70 guide gun owner.

Sorry Horn. Another 45-70 post. ;D I am not ashamed. I love my 45-70 guide gun!!!

[Tumbleweed]

I've got a lever action 45/70 that holds ten rounds. Even if you were to accidentaly get shot with one of these things and you were wearing body armor I don't think it would make any differnance. :-)

[willie pete]

I'd like to add a 300 Win-Mag someday, great ballistics out to a 1000 yrds

[AndreaGail]

I spotted my first box of pistol ammo in what must be 2 months

$41.99 for 50 rounds of 45 ACP :o

Every time I see these bare shelves, I think to myself, this could just as easily be food.

[Horn]

FWI, modern 45-70 loads have improved and after studying the ballistics, I figure with practice, a good scope and the right load, I should be able to reach out to 200 yards for elk hunting.

Keep reaching, pretty soon you'll reach the broad side of a fruit checkpoint stand.

[midnight rambler]

I'd like to add a 300 Win-Mag someday, great ballistics out to a 1000 yrds

May as well get a .338 Lapua.

[LastResort]

Still lots of ammo available around here. Walmart and Canadian tire ammo sections pretty much fully stocked...

[Son-of-Liberty]

I would think eventually we will see some spotty shortages here in Canada because of supply disruptions in importation. Without panic buying though, I doubt it will get as bad as the US.

Still, I did pick up a little .223 and .22LR at walmart the other day. Prices are very reasonable.

[chad]

if anyone wants .223, pm me, i have a place where you can order it online (in stock), for around .60-.70 a round. i don't want to post it out in the open, as random people trolling the internet will hit on it and deplete my secret source. also, if you pm me, please keep it to yourself and do not post the link openly.

[Libertarian_Guard]

I spotted my first box of pistol ammo in what must be 2 months

$41.99 for 50 rounds of 45 ACP :o

Every time I see these bare shelves, I think to myself, this could just as easily be food.

230 gr ball ammo? You've got to be kidding?

I just sold my brother 750 rounds for $250.

[mick silver]

You got ripped off. Firstly, beause pro mags makes crap magazines for all but a VERY VERY few guns (like a couple marlin .22's), secondly, because Cheaper Than Dirt is about the worst internet firearms company, in price, customer service and shipping. They have repeatedly fear mongered and priced gouged their cusomters at every turn for the last 5 years.
will it came this morning we went out to the back yard and run 60 shells out of it without any trouble . i sold one of them and got mine for free thats a deal

[willie pete]

I would think eventually we will see some spotty shortages here in Canada because of supply disruptions in importation. Without panic buying though, I doubt it will get as bad as the US.

Still, I did pick up a little .223 and .22LR at walmart the other day. Prices are very reasonable.



Send some of it down here ;D

[AndreaGail]

"the only game in town"

went to this local ammo joint that was a rip prior to sandy hook just for shits and giggles to see what their prices were like now

they had EVERYTHING and tons of it. and after looking through the prices I can see why

$150 for a brick of 22
$44 for 50 rounds of 9mm, 40 and 45
$20 for 20 rounds of 223
$70 for a 12 round pistol magazine
$80 for pmags

[Black Blade]

We had a couple cases of Tulammo 7.62x39 come in at Wally World and at 3 boxes/day it sold out in 2 days. This is in a small town. I didn't think there were that many AK and SKS carbines around here. I went to a local gunsmith who has ammo and I bought out his supply of Wolf Classic and Brown Bear 9x18 ($15/box) and Herter's 7.62x39 ($7/box) - ouch! Still no .223/5.56 around anywhere locally.

[midnight rambler]

I see the inventory situation staying roughly about the same, or possibly worsening. It appears imports are trickling in. IMO, the outlook is bleak.

[old steel]

Scored some ammo today fairly reasonable prices, $26 for 50 rounds of .357, $14.50 for 50 rounds of 9mm $25 for 50 rounds of .45acp, $50 for a brick of .22lr Velocitor HP

Bought every box he had.

[mick silver]

well today i sold ALL my guns then i sold all my ammo as i no longer need any of the stuff , back up

[Hitch]

Bump. I bought 100 rounds of 9mm today, $40. I thought that price was fair given the circumstances. I don't own a 9mm, but my brother does, and he's happy I bought these rounds for him. He hasn't been able to find any.

[vacuum]

Are the stock levels starting to come back up, or is it still dry? Any good place to buy online?

[milehi]

Dry empty shelves around here at places like Big 5, Turners and Bass Pro. A pawn shop is producing but I'm paying $25 for 50 rds 9mm target; $35 for hollow point. $20 for 100rds of 22lr CCI Mini Mag. I'm buying and shooting these rounds. I'm all in on other rounds, but I'm sitting on it. I don't have anything in .40 or .45, but I've picked up several boxes anyway. You never know...

[Jewboo]

I expect ammo to be scarce and overpriced until at least next year. However, since the ban on evil black rifles and magazines FAILED it makes no logical sense now to buy either at recent gouging prices. The prices for Ar15s and magazines should quickly drop to normal very very soon.

:(??

[milehi]

I expect ammo to be scarce and overpriced until at least next year. However, since the ban on evil black rifles and magazines FAILED it makes no logical sense now to buy either at recent gouging prices. The prices for Ar15s and magazines should quickly drop to normal very very soon.

:(??

I was picking up a Marlin 795 last Monday, and a customer asked about ar prices(ample suppply), then said he'd be back in two weeks to see if the price was lower.