Try buying ammo right now, lol

[EE_]

I didn't check everywhere, but it's pretty bleak.

.223 - out
7.62 x 39 - almost out
9mm - terribly low

[Dogman]

One word!

Reload!

[EE_]

One word!

Reload!

.223 bullets are n/a too

[Shami-Amourae]

I still don't own guns for these rounds, but I'm planning on on stocking up on these rounds now anyways.

[Cebu_4_2]

9x18 makarov hollow points gone

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuOfRz-qapw

[Ponce]

If you cannot use the equipment of those who you have killed it then means that they are using the equipment of he who they did killed......."Do onto others what others would do to you, only, you do it first"

First post of the day.........good morning to one and all.

[Heimdhal]

If you cannot use the equipment of those who you have killed it then means that they are using the equipment of he who they did killed......."Do onto others what others would do to you, only, you do it first"

First post of the day.........good morning to one and all.

o_0 -_-

[Horn]

o_0 -_-

I'll take that as a refusal of Ponce' dinner invitation...

[LuckyStrike]

I have been telling people I know to buy guns and ammo before November especially, they didn't. Now they are kicking themselves. If the situation wasn't so dire I would laugh at them for not preparing for unseen events like this. Even post election 08 I've never seen anything like this online (don't go to stores much)

If by some miracle nothing is done about "gun control" in 2 years there will be so damn deals to be had on firearms, not that I'm holding my breath, but man I would love to add to the collection (especially since I've lost everything in the boating accident)

[old steel]

Local outfitter K and D have a few ammo cases of .223 left kind of pricy at $400.00 but they will be gone next day they open if i don't grab one. Winchester 55grain FMJ

[old steel]

I wonder if Homeland Security have enough to see them through?

[joboo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuOfRz-qapw


Definitely new to guns...dude...stop touching the trigger when you pick it up!

[Shami-Amourae]

Definitely new to guns...dude...stop touching the trigger when you pick it up!

I'm just glad there's new gun buyers. The more the better. We need as many as we can get to preserve the 2nd Amendment.

The best way you can help preserve the 2nd Amendment is helping/getting those you know to start becoming gun owners.

[Horn]

I'm just glad there's new gun buyers. The more the better. We need as many as we can get to preserve the 2nd Amendment.

The best way you can help preserve the 2nd Amendment is helping/getting those you know to start becoming gun owners.

Telling people that they have become politically active whilst purchasing seems a huge turnoff,

I would kick this guy out of my store.

[Shami-Amourae]

That's probably true. I'm not even a member of the NRA or GOA yet. I saw this previously and feel this may be one of the best approaches.

I've already increased the interest in my family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J_yQv5bKSU

[madfranks]

Definitely new to guns...dude...stop touching the trigger when you pick it up!

It's because every single hollywood movie poster where the actor is holding a gun they've got their fingers on the trigger. That's how people new to guns think they're supposed to be held.

http://filmdoctor.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/hard-boiled-sweets-poster.jpg?w=640&h=480

[gunDriller]

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/search.cmd?form_state=searchForm&N=0&fsch=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=ammo&x=0&y=0

Cabela's has ammo in stock.


http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_218142_999_01?hei=380&wid=380

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=1267781&destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct.jsp%3FproductId%3 D1267781%26destination%3D%252Fcatalog%252Fproduct. jsp%253FproductId%253D1267781%2526type%253Dproduct %2526Ntk%253DAllProducts%2526searchPath%253D%25252 Fcatalog%25252Fsearch.cmd%25253Fform_state%25253Ds earchForm%252526N%25253D0%252526fsch%25253Dtrue%25 2526Ntk%25253DAllProducts%252526Ntt%25253Dammo%252 526x%25253D0%252526y%25253D0%2526Ntt%253Dammo%26ca tegoryIds%3D105591780%7C105650280%7C%26displayTab% 3DQandA&categoryIds=105591780|105650280|&displayTab=Description

146 Grains

"Energy at 100 yards: 2290 ft/lbs"

that's decent ! # from
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/3-0315859

out of stock @ cheaperthandirt, $15 for 20 rounds @ Cabela's.


ALSO -
Winchester® Bulk .30-30 Ammo - 170-grains. "Power-Point".

does this mean i get some bonus ammo next time i buy Microsoft Office ? :)

100 rounds $85, 200 rounds $165.

i haven't studied it much but my guess is, bullet energy is proportional to weight of gunpowder.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Winchester-Bulk-30-30-Ammo-170-gr-Power-Point174-with-Dry-Storage-Box/741044.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3D searchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProduc ts%26Ntt%3Dammo%26x%3D0%26y%3D0&Ntt=ammo


i don't check ammo prices often but it does seem more expensive, these prices.

next time i'm at a garage sale & i see ammo for $5 a box, maybe i'll take a chance, buy a box, take it home & test a few rounds, then buy more if it tests good. that particular garage sale, i watched one guy sell about 20 boxes. it wasn't .22 ammo either.

[EE_]

I grabbed a few hundred rounds of Herter's 7.62 x 39 154 grain soft points from Cabelas.
$6.99 on sale + $20 off for orders over $150
Anyone like these?
I figured there is going to be an ammo shortage like we've not seen before, certain calibers anyway.
There may be new laws by the time dealers are restocked?

http://i.tfcdn.com/img2/PDALWFQAY9K4yMlQXJBfVFIcn5iXEp9fWpKSn19UzJBRUlJgpa-fmZuYnlqsl5yYlJqTCKTzc_UziyGi-lBB_WLzeCNDcyNTk3hLS8t4A2MA/fyVMtP8A

[chad]

herters 7.62 x 39 is ulyanovsk brand that has been branded for them. it's comparable to wolf. dirty as hell, but works fine. i've shot several hundred rounds of it through my wasr with no problems.

i don't know what is going on with my font size...

[gunDriller]

i got a little carried away.

what i was trying to figure out is -

A) the diameter of the gun barrel.

B) the diameter of the chamber that holds the bullet.

For the 7.62, it seems like the bullet is .300, with .309 rifling, and a .454 diameter chamber - if the 'shoulder' is the dimension that i am looking for.

For the .30-.30, .300 diameter bullet, .308 rifling, and a .401 diameter shoulder.

Question #1 - What is the Bullet Dimension that tells you the Chamber Diameter, the diameter of the hole where the bullet is held in place while it is fired ? Neck - Shoulder - Base ?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/30-30.jpg/200px-30-30.jpg

".30-30 cartridge (center) between 5.56×45mm NATO (.223 Remington), left, and 7.62×51mm NATO (.308 Winchester), right"

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Because the .30-30 bullet has a noticeably smaller diameter than the 7.62x51, I'm thinking it must be "shoulder" that I'm looking for.

The .30-30 and the 7.62 both have .300 diameter bullets, and the main diameter of the casing (shoulder, I think) is .401 for the .30-30, and .454 for the 7.62.

So the 7.62 shell looks about 12 1/2% wider than the .30-30 shell. So it will have about 25% more cross-sectional area.

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quotable quote, "There's something just lovely about 150-ish grain slugs. Like the 158-grain .357 Maggies"
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=4&f=54&t=133836

i looked up the .30-.30 and the 7.62.

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"The .30-30 Winchester/.30 Winchester Center Fire/7.62×51mmR cartridge was first marketed in early 1895 for the Winchester Model 1894 lever-action rifle.[2] The .30-30 (thirty-thirty), as it is most commonly known, was the USA's first small-bore, sporting rifle cartridge designed for smokeless powder. The .30-30 is one of the most common deer cartridges in North America. Popular in Mexico and Latin America, it is known there as the treinta-treinta (Spanish for "30-30").[3] "

Specifications
Case type Rimmed, bottlenecked
Bullet diameter .308 in (7.8 mm)
Neck diameter .330 in (8.4 mm)
Shoulder diameter .401 in (10.2 mm)
Base diameter .422 in (10.7 mm)
Rim diameter .506 in (12.9 mm)
Rim thickness .063 in (1.6 mm)
Case length 2.039 in (51.8 mm)
Primer type large rifle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-30_Winchester

But wait, there's more !!

"A rifle barrel is usually a long (16 to 30 inches), tapering, tube made of steel with fairly thick walls. It starts as a steel bar, which is then drilled and reamed to the "bore diameter" of the cartridge for which it is to be chambered. For example, the bore diameter is .300 inch for a typical .30 caliber cartridge like the .30-30, .308 Winchester, .30-06 or .300 Magnum. The rifling grooves are then cut into the bore. The distance across the grooves is called the "groove diameter." This varies depending on the caliber, but measures .308 inch for typical .30 caliber cartridges."

http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_barrel.htm

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seems like 7.62 is a very standard size.

so that makes it .300 in inches ( 7.62 / 2.54 ), if 7.62 is millimeters.


"The 7.62×51mm NATO (official NATO nomenclature 7.62 NATO) is a rifle cartridge developed in the 1950s as a standard for small arms among NATO countries (not to be confused with the similarly named Russian 7.62×54mmR cartridge).

It was introduced in U.S. service in the M14 rifle and M60 machine gun in the late 1950s. The M14 was superseded in U.S. service as the infantry adopted the 5.56×45mm NATO M16. However, the M14 and many other firearms that use the 7.62×51 round remain in service, especially in the case of sniper rifles, machine guns, and as the service weapon chosen by special operations forces. The cartridge is used both by infantry and on mounted and crew-served weapons mounted to vehicles, aircraft and ships.

Although not identical, the 7.62×51mm NATO and the commercial .308 Winchester cartridges are similar, and even though the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI) considers it safe (by not listing it) to fire the NATO round in weapons chambered for the commercial round, there is significant discussion[4][5][6] about compatible chamber and muzzle pressures between the two cartridges based on powder loads and wall thicknesses on the military vs. commercial rounds. The debate goes both ways, the ATF recommends checking the stamping on the barrel; if you're unsure, consult the maker of the firearm.[7][8] "

Specifications
Parent case .308 Winchester (derived from the .300 Savage)
Case type Rimless, Bottleneck
Bullet diameter 7.82 (0.308in)
Neck diameter 8.77 mm (0.345 in)
Shoulder diameter 11.53 mm (0.454 in)
Base diameter 11.94 mm (0.470 in)
Rim diameter 12.01 mm (0.473 in)
Rim thickness 1.27 mm (0.050 in)
Case length 51.18 mm (2.015 in)
Overall length 69.85 mm (2.750 in)
Rifling twist 1:12"
Primer type Large Rifle
Maximum pressure 415 MPa (60,200 psi)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9751mm_NATO


"The 7.62 Nato round runs at the same pressure as the 308 Win. You will be fine shooting 308 Win ammo in your DPMS. Callem and ask!

The pressure in the .308 and the 7.62 virtually identical. The 308 runs at 62Kpsi the 7.62 Nato runs at 50K CUP not psi which equates to about 62K psi. The 7.62 was never testing in psi it was tested in CUP and some dumb ass in the US Military exchanged the CUP for PSI in an official document and has cauised mass confusion ever since."

==> from
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=121&t=554344


some info on the 7.62 rifle barrel itself -

http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/greenmountainspecials/762-x-51mm-raw-round-rifle-barrel-blank

"7.62 X 51mm Raw Round Rifle Barrel Blank, 1:11 twist, 25" x 1.25", 41V50 vanadium steel, button rifled, thermo-stress relieved, air gaged, bore / groove dia: .300 / .309"

http://images.ebsco.com/gmrb/AK%20Blank%20detail.jpg?w=300

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http://www.gunforums.net/forums/new-members/1657-bullets-calibers-explained-everything-youve-ever-wanted-know.html

Bullets: Calibers Explained. Everything you've ever wanted to know.

"INCH DESIGNATIONS FOR CALIBER
A designation like .22, .25, .308, .32, .357, .38, .380, .40, .44, .45, or .50 is an expression of the approximate outside diameter, in inches, of the projectile (bullet) part of the cartridge and of the inside diameter of the barrel. The designation typically has some word(s) or abbreviation associated with it.

For example, ".22 short" refers to a .22 caliber cartridge with a short case and a light powder load. Other options of such .22 caliber "rimfire" cartridges include ".22 long, .22 long rifle (LR), and .22WMR ("magnum"). A .22 (caliber) rifle chambered for .22LR is commonly (but not always) able to shoot the short, rifle and long-rifle cartridges.

The case of the "magnum" is both longer than the others and has a diameter somewhat greater than the actual projectile diameter, so the magnum cartridges will not fit in a gun chambered for .22LR--and these cartridges produce considerably greater energy and projectile speeds.

The words "magnum" and "super" in caliber designations always mean more projectile energy than for cartridges without the word. The ".357 magnum" is a caliber for a cartridge that is closely the same as the ".38 special" except for the fact that its case is longer and contains more gun powder, and therefore produces greater projectile energy than the .38 special. The .38 special is the caliber for the revolver that was long the standard weapon for police and for civilian self protection. It and the .357 magnum are still much used in this manner.

A .357 magnum revolver can shoot .38 special cartridges in addition to the "mag" cartridges. This is done often for target practice because the smaller cartridges are cheaper and don't "kick" as hard. The .357 magnum is also used for hunting by people who like to give the animal more of a chance than they would get from a hunter with a rifle (the handgun hunter has to get closer, because the handgun is not as accurate as a rifle).

A cartridge with a very slightly smaller outside diameter than the .38 special is the .380 auto for automatic and semiautomatic handguns. The .380 cartridge case is shorter than that of the .38 special and holds less powder, so the cartridge does not produce as much energy as the .38 special."

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how's that for a paradox - learning about guns via the Jewish-run Google & Wikipedia.

the same people that are trying to take away our gun rights.

[osoab]

I woke up this morning and checked sgammo.com. They had 146 1,000 rnd cases of 308 Winchester @ 4:30 am. @ Noon they had 82 left @ 12:45 they had 69 left. @ 3:00 they had 42 left. By 6:00 pm they were all gone.

Don't forget mags. AR-15 mags are running from 35 to 100 on ebay and in stores (if they have them). The more popular Glock mags cannot be had. Saw plenty of 10mm.

Scheels in Springfield had a 500 rnd limit on pistol ammo and a 1,000 limit of rifle ammo. No 223/5.56. No 223 components for reloading. They had one Glock mag. Nothing but 22 lr AR styles and didn't know when they would get more in. Scheels associate said they bumped up their AR rifles after they first ran out because the makers/distributors jumped their prices up. About 100 frns is what the dude said.

[Heimdhal]

I grabbed a few hundred rounds of Herter's 7.62 x 39 154 grain soft points from Cabelas.
$6.99 on sale + $20 off for orders over $150
Anyone like these?
I figured there is going to be an ammo shortage like we've not seen before, certain calibers anyway.
There may be new laws by the time dealers are restocked?

http://i.tfcdn.com/img2/PDALWFQAY9K4yMlQXJBfVFIcn5iXEp9fWpKSn19UzJBRUlJgpa-fmZuYnlqsl5yYlJqTCKTzc_UziyGi-lBB_WLzeCNDcyNTk3hLS8t4A2MA/fyVMtP8A

Herters is fine. Chad laid it out pretty good. I've shot a few thousand rounds of that stuff (uly ammo plant, which is most of the commerical russian stuff). The only hang up you might have is from the soft points. Shoot a few boxes and make sure they feed well through your semi-auto's. I have toruble with them in my AK (no feed ramp, so they sheer on the chamber/face) but its doable. My sks feeds them better.

Sight your gun in with them because you likley will see a shift in your POI with the heavier bullet weight, usualy a few inches up.

[Black Blade]

Be a prepper or procrastinate? That is the question. I prepped myself:

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/d4436be217f4dd9ec0dbd5dcb1ded7404825ede5_r.jpg http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/a043626c100adaeecec0d45ab2fbdaaea6de93dc_r.jpg http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/f803644715aadd22c480d7abbd1dd010d8e285ea_r.jpg

One of the stockpiles at Bug Out Location (BOL) 2. Similar stockpiles at BOL 1 and BOL 3.

[gunDriller]

Be a prepper or procrastinate? That is the question. I prepped myself:

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/d4436be217f4dd9ec0dbd5dcb1ded7404825ede5_r.jpg http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/a043626c100adaeecec0d45ab2fbdaaea6de93dc_r.jpgOne of the stockpiles at Bug Out Location (BOL) 2. Similar stockpiles at BOL 1 and BOL 3.

heck, you got enough for a whole town.

people will be calling you Mayor Blade.

got a favorite caliber ?


are you anywhere near earthquake country ? when i see shelves stacked like that it makes me think about roping them in and putting in braces so NOTHING could disturb your set-up.

[Black Blade]

I buy mostly crates of milsurp ammo (primarily from the FSU countries). Most calibres are:

Pistol:

9x18, 9x19, 9x23 largo, .45 ACP and 7.62x25

Rifle:

.223/5,56, 5.45x39, 7.62x39, 7.62x51, 7.62x54R and 7.92x57

I have a few other calibres for my other firearms in smaller quantities such as 6.5 Swede, 7mm Mauser, 7.65 Argentine, etc. and of course shotgun ammo for my 10 ga and 12 ga shotguns.

Then there's the "reloading rooms" were we have loading components. I saw this political mess coming a long way off and when Barack got reelected I bought up nearly another 80,000+ rounds, a few dozens mags and a few more handguns and rifles. If anything they should be a decent investment.

[gunDriller]

If anything they should be a decent investment.

no f'ing kidding.

i found this. it answered some of my questions.

http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/30-06/pictures/400px-Cartridge_30-06.png

from
http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/30-06/

[gunDriller]

http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/30-06/pictures/400px-Cartridge_30-06.png

Dang it ! Can't edit my own post.

that step from .470 to .441, midway down the length of the fat part of the cylindrical shape.

how important is that step ?

i'm also wondering if the base diameter - .470 - continues on the left hand side. the drawing implies that it does. guess i'll have to get a shell and measure it myself.

[mick silver]

even before we came here we talk about this on the old gim . did you guys not hear it then . dam now everyone running around looking for deals that will not be found . next will be food . everyone needs to get their minds right because it coming

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

herters 7.62 x 39 is ulyanovsk brand that has been branded for them. it's comparable to wolf. dirty as hell, but works fine. i've shot several hundred rounds of it through my wasr with no problems.

i don't know what is going on with my font size...

Hey man no need to yell about it.

[osoab]

Gun sales surge; 3 1/2 years of ammunition magazines sold in 72 hours (http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/la-fi-mo-gun-sales-brownells-20121224,0,7935718.story)

[EE_]

I think I just ordered the last 2 BX-25 10/22 magazines from Ruger's store, maybe on the planet? The order said it processed. The website says they are back ordered now. http://shopruger.com/10_22-BX-25-Magazine/productinfo/90361/

http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Ruger-BX-25.png

[Shami-Amourae]

I just went to the largest gun store chain in my area (Christmas Eve) and most of the ammo was gone but 12 gauge and 380 ACP (they were fully in stock.) I got the last 2 boxes of 223 and there was no 7.62x39 at all. All the major pistol calibers were there, but in low quantities, very picked over. I'm really shocked how much 12 gauge was in stock though, it was everywhere. I saw several stands with all sorts of 12 gauge ammo piled high, and it seemed like it was all over the store. How common is 12 gauge in your area? Maybe it will be the most plentiful round in SHTF?

There was a giant line. My father told me a similar story about how he only found a few 22LR boxes, and that was it. The gun store I went to hand a decent amount of 22LR, but it was still low.

[Agrippa]

The UPS man rang my doorbell last night just before I went to bed. He had the cases of ammo I ordered the afternoon of the Sandy Hook shooting. Although nothing beats being prepared, there is something to be said for acting fast, also.

[EE_]

The UPS man rang my doorbell last night just before I went to bed. He had the cases of ammo I ordered the afternoon of the Sandy Hook shooting. Although nothing beats being prepared, there is something to be said for acting fast, also.

Hope you grabbed some .223/5.56...it's on back-order everywhere.

[Tumbleweed]

I think I just ordered the last 2 BX-25 10/22 magazines from Ruger's store, maybe on the planet? The order said it processed. The website says they are back ordered now. http://shopruger.com/10_22-BX-25-Magazine/productinfo/90361/

http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Ruger-BX-25.png


I ordered two ruger BX-25's yesterday from this site that are back ordered and due in 12/28/12 for $21.99.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/238525/ruger-bx-25-magazine-ruger-10-22-22-long-rifle-25-round-polymer-black

I tried to order more but it would only let me order two. I have several of these mags I bought awhile back and they work really well.

[EE_]

I ordered two ruger BX-25's yesterday from this site that are back ordered and due in 12/28/12 for $21.99.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/238525/ruger-bx-25-magazine-ruger-10-22-22-long-rifle-25-round-polymer-black

I tried to order more but it would only let order two. I have several of these mags I bought awhile back and they work really well.

I know I paid a little more, but they were in stock when I ordered.
We'll see if these expected delivery dates everywhere else materialize?

Could the government halt all sales on Jan. 2, until they sort this all out?
Just a thought.

I've noticed some sites selling these for $49.99 already and on back-order.

[Tumbleweed]

I'm wondering to if I'll get them for that price but thought it would probably be worth the try. Before I ordered from them I went to the site you posted but looks like you beat me to the last ones they had in stock.

[hoarder]

Our rulers strive to keep balance between controlling us and waking up the teevee addled masses. I doubt they will do anything extreme enough to cause a great awakening. Slow and incremental is more likely.

[JDRock]

never post pics of pm's or preps in quantity....you only invite the feds interest. ;)

[gunDriller]

I know I paid a little more, but they were in stock when I ordered.


i'm thinking that with firearms, physical possession may prove, in time, to be even more important than it is with other PM's.


also that, in many armed confrontations, the first 30 to 100 bullets that you fire are the most important.

depending on who the confrontation is with.

of course, the value-in-trade of bullets has just Skyrocketed.


and since we're talking, let me grab the bullets that came in an 'odd-box' (misc stuff) at a garage or estate sale.

there are some smaller ones, 22-ish looking.

the bigger ones are more interesting.

one is 3 1/4" long, with a lighter color tip, almost white, on the bullet. the bullet diameter is .3065 inches. the primary diameter of the casing, which is not stepped, is .449.

the other is 2 3/16" long. the bullet diameter is .222. the primary diameter of the casing, which is also not stepped, is .369.


the longer one i am thinking is close to the 7.62 x 52 ammo that we have talked about in one of these threads.

http://s403998394.onlinehome.us/DSCN6134-bullets.jpg

[EE_]

CA lawmakers take aim at guns

Dec. 24, 2012

By Steven Greenhut

SACRAMENTO – It took only days before California’s legislators reacted to the horrific Sandy Hook Elementary School tragedy with a fusillade of bills designed to take California closer to Democratic leaders’ unstated but obvious goal: making it essentially illegal for Californians to own firearms.

I write “essentially” because the strategy isn’t to ban guns outright, but to mire ownership in so many layers of regulation that owning a gun becomes even more frustrating and costly than operating a business in this state. Legislators aren’t stupid. Direct assaults on gun ownership generate pushback, but killing this constitutional right through a thousand cuts is less confrontational.

California already has the toughest gun regulations of any state, yet legislators (including a Republican) have introduced a long list of new proposals at news conferences where they used the Connecticut tragedy to grandstand.

“They were mowed down,” Los Angeles Democratic Sen. Kevin de Leon said. “I think that, viscerally, it will give a lot of political officials around the country the political courage to do the right thing.” It’s not clear what de Leon means by the right thing.

California has passed 45 gun control laws in the past 23 years.

(Liberal Connecticut has tough gun laws, too.)

California has long waiting periods, background-check requirements, limits on the number of gun purchases, bans on gun sales to people with mental illnesses and felony convictions, bans on high-capacity ammunition magazines and on concealed weapons. The governor recently signed a law banning the open carrying of unloaded long guns. The list goes on.

That’s in addition to myriad federal restrictions.

If you think we’re safe from gun violence because of all those rules, check out the murder rates in Los Angeles, Oakland and San Bernardino.

Targeting ammo
Now, de Leon is targeting ammunition. “We don’t think about the fuel that feeds the violence, and that’s ammunition. If you want to fish, you have to secure a license to fish. If you want to cut down a Christmas tree in California — this is legally factual — you have to secure a permit at a cost of $10. Yet anyone who walks into any gun store in California can buy all the ammunition they want.”

That statement is more of an indictment of the kind of society we’ve become — so regulated and taxed that one isn’t allowed to cut down a Christmas tree without getting government permission — than about firearms. But I digress.

Like everyone, I’m still shaken by the Newtown school shooting. I’m all ears when it comes to finding real solutions to violence, but am tired of cheap, predictable attempts to turn tragedy into another assault on our liberties and wallets.

After this week’s legislative frenzy, I headed to one of the largest Sacramento-area gun dealers to purchase that 12-guage shotgun I’ve been considering — only to find the shelves virtually bare. The Daily Beast reports on a similar situation throughout the country.

Americans realize that an assault on private gun ownership is coming, and it’s best to buy a weapon now, while they still are available at a store, rather than only on the black market.

Perhaps de Leon and others might ask their constituents why they would want a gun. This morning, my wife handed me the local newspaper with a story about three men arrested for murdering one of my neighbors in October during a robbery. Is it unreasonable to want the wherewithal to defend one’s family? The cocking of a shotgun — an internationally understood signal that “you’re not welcome here” — would be all it takes to dissuade most intruders.

Utopians
Gun control advocates are utopians. Their perspective is that, if guns are no longer readily available, violence will evaporate. But there are so many guns in circulation that it would take decades to reduce their availability — unless legislators adopt the police-state policy of sending cops door-to-door to confiscate firearms. Even then, there would be black markets and other methods for evil folks to commit mayhem.

It’s better to let people arm themselves. An operator of a private school told me that California’s 1995 Gun-Free School Zone Act — banning guns within 1,000 feet of schools — is making it difficult to hire an armed security guard.

There’s a reason criminals are more likely to ply their trade in “gun free” zones than in heavily armed neighborhoods. There’s no better check on a diabolical gun owner than law-abiding gun owners. I personally don’t like guns and wish everyone were peaceful and kind, but it’s better to be realistic than to pursue fantasy.

Gun control laws exempt groups of government officials. Anyone who believes working for the government relieves people of the tendency to do bad things has never heard the phrase “going postal.” There are endless stories of authorities misusing their firearms, both on- and off-duty, which is a reminder of the main reason the founders gave gun ownership the second spot in the Bill of Rights.

Californians crazy enough to believe these new proposed laws will make them safer should be happy. The rest of us should find a well-stocked gun store as soon as possible

http://www.calwatchdog.com/2012/12/24/ca-lawmakers-take-aim-at-guns/

[BarnkleBob]

You may want to read this! Its very good.... http://www.virginiainstitute.org/publications/primer_on_const.php

[Uncle Salty]

You may want to read this! Its very good.... http://www.virginiainstitute.org/publications/primer_on_const.php

Great article. I think he misses a bit on his meaning of the word 'regulated' as it applies to the 2A, but other than that it is a knock out article on keep you fucking hands off our guns Mr. Government.

[midnight rambler]

Yesterday SG Ammo still had some shotgun ammo, but not today.

[kiffertom]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/116435469/7th-Circuit-Court-overturns-Illinois-concealed-carry-ban

7th circuit court of appeals concealed carry

[Cebu_4_2]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/116435469/7th-Circuit-Court-overturns-Illinois-concealed-carry-ban

7th circuit court of appeals concealed carry

Summary?

[kiffertom]

Summary?sorry! this is where the 7th circuit court of appeals forces illinois to enact a concealed carry law

[willie pete]

just saw a few boxes (20 rd) of WW 5.56mm for $11.95 in walmartian, I'm not paying that though

[EE_]

West Coast Armory

Before
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/c114.0.403.403/p403x403/154408_473587286016310_1540096395_n.jpg

After
http://www.wnd.com/files/2012/12/WestArmory1.jpg

[EE_]

5.56x45 ammo, in stock!
http://www.luckygunner.com/rifle/5.56x45-ammo
Wow, are these going fast!
Split a case with a friend before they're gone.
Never mind, these are gone. They had 8 #1,000 cases and 6 #500 cases when I posted this.

http://www.ssarmory.com/556ammunition-55grFMJ.aspx They still have boxes.

[EE_]

.223/5.56 ammo is getting pretty scarce. Most of what's left is $.85 a round and up.
There's still plenty of Wolf, Herter's 7.62/39 around, and this--> https://www.ammoman.com/p/70/762x39-military-grade-ammo

[AndreaGail]

local gun store just got some 5.56 pmc in stock, reasonably priced all things considered at $10 per 20

as an aside it just pains me to see all the people paying for ammo and accesories with plastic

[Shami-Amourae]

local gun store just got some 5.56 pmc in stock, reasonably priced all things considered at $10 per 20

as an aside it just pains me to see all the people paying for ammo and accesories with plastic

I felt a little nervous shelling out a few hundred dollars the other day in $20 dollar bills. I still haven't purchased any ammo on a card, other than what I shot at a range (they all fingerprint you and confiscate your Driver's License if you want to shoot anyways.)

[milehi]

I picked up several boxes of Fiocchi 147 grs fmj 9mm today. $16.69 per 50. I also grabbed the last six boxes of Federal Automatch .22lr. $21.99 for 325 rounds. .22 lr is nonexistant around here.

I stopped by a popular regional chain yesterday and they had nothing but shotgun ammo. They did have a shit ton of people filling out paperwork though.

I'm glad I followed Black Blades advice years ago.

[AndreaGail]

I felt a little nervous shelling out a few hundred dollars the other day in $20 dollar bills. I still haven't purchased any ammo on a card, other than what I shot at a range (they all fingerprint you and confiscate your Driver's License if you want to shoot anyways.)

yeah I have never paid for anything gun/ammo wise with a card

It was crazy today. the guy in front of me bought $4,300 worth of goods today, all in $100's!

[osoab]

I think I just ordered the last 2 BX-25 10/22 magazines from Ruger's store, maybe on the planet? The order said it processed. The website says they are back ordered now. http://shopruger.com/10_22-BX-25-Magazine/productinfo/90361/

http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Ruger-BX-25.png

This guy is trying to sell two of these for 100 frns apiece.
http://www.armslist.com/posts/847009/springfield-illinois-magazines-for-sale--new-unopened-bx-25-ruger-magazines-25-rounds-clip-10-22

[chad]

going to be a lot of mags on the market soon, ny passed a ban on any mags larger that 7 rounds last night. they are giving them 1 year to sell them after that, they become illegal to own.

[osoab]

going to be a lot of mags on the market soon, ny passed a ban on any mags larger that 7 rounds last night. they are giving them 1 year to sell them after that, they become illegal to own.

I don't see them hitting the market.

[Shami-Amourae]

I checked out Walmart today. When I got out of the car in the parking lot I saw a couple guys young White guys in their 30s with a pickup truck. One was the screaming into his cellphone "They don't have any ammo at Walmart! I cannot believe this! The shelves are bare! We're gonna go check out Big 5!"

So I decided to go in and see for myself without saying anything. The shelves were bare besides for ammo -no one- cares for. The only ammo I saw (that I can remember) was .410 gauge, 20 gauge (limited amounts), .243 Win, .380 Auto, 30-06, and 22 WMR. All of these calibers were fully in stock.

So no 308 Win, 22LR, 9mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP, 357 Mag, 38 Special, and so forth. I didn't even see 12 gauge this time.

[chad]

i would have bought some wmr. there's lots of new wmr pistols coming out that are awesome.

[Steal]

bought 1k rounds 7.62 early yesterday am.shipped today with tracking. Me thinks big lots online may be gettin the nix.

[chad]

online is for sure gone. i can at least understand in the mind of a stupid person how they are scared of large magazines, black rifles etc. but i don't understand i.d. for ammo, ammo limits, banning online ammo, etc. at all. i guess it's just a full court press on everything. maybe they will ban gun cases next.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6xEd01zVIs

[Norweger]

i would have bought some wmr. there's lots of new wmr pistols coming out that are awesome.

Seen the KelTec PMR-30? 30 round magazine. That is a lot of firepower for a lightweight pistol.

http://modernsurvivalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/PMR30_numbers_8310.jpg

[Twisted Titan]

Walked into my ammo store with just under 2400 dollars looking to wreck shop

Instead my cherished delusions were shattered

3 box limit on any caliber

I almost fainted.


I ran like Usain Bolt to another shop and grabbed a few boxes of 45 acp and 6 ten rd mags.

More should be coming tommarrow.

Im gonna be running my 230 grain @$$ all over the state until i get what i need.

Make no mistake.......folks are not letting up On this.

There is a full court press on both sides.

[chad]

Seen the KelTec PMR-30? 30 round magazine. That is a lot of firepower for a lightweight pistol.

http://modernsurvivalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/PMR30_numbers_8310.jpg

i heard they quit making that and you can't get one because they had rifling problems with the barrel they could never get sorted out. i'd love to have one though. that is a beast of a gun.

[osoab]

Walked into my ammo store with just under 2400 dollars looking to wreck shop

Instead my cherished delusions were shattered

3 box limit on any caliber

I almost fainted.


I ran like Usain Bolt to another shop and grabbed a few boxes of 45 acp and 6 ten rd mags.

More should be coming tommarrow.

Im gonna be running my 230 grain @$$ all over the state until i get what i need.

Make no mistake.......folks are not letting up On this.

There is a full court press on both sides.

Good Luck and God's Speed to you TT.

[mick silver]

am headed out today to look for some 45 also and 22 lr

[chad]

good luck guys. gander mountain is the only place i can buy now.

true value = out
ace hardware = out
walmart = out
local gun guy = out
do it best hardware = out
scheels = out

[chad]

i just drove 8 miles to the next town over. small town, 1,000 people with 1 hardware store. they had assorted boxes of shotgun shells, 3 boxes of .270, 7 boxes of 30-30, and 2 boxes of 30-06. no handgun stuff at all.

as for .22, i cleaned them out. got 3 ely sport, 2 wildcat, and 9 rem golden bullet. they had 2 boxes of birdshot, but it was really high priced, so i left it. guy told me he can't even get any more .22LR, so to enjoy it. 14 boxes is all they had, crazy.

a week ago every place here had everything, it's all cleared out in less than 7 days.

[Twisted Titan]

i just drove 8 miles to the next town over. small town, 1,000 people with 1 hardware store. they had assorted boxes of shotgun shells, 3 boxes of .270, 7 boxes of 30-30, and 2 boxes of 30-06. no handgun stuff at all.

as for .22, i cleaned them out. got 3 ely sport, 2 wildcat, and 9 rem golden bullet. they had 2 boxes of birdshot, but it was really high priced, so i left it. guy told me he can't even get any more .22LR, so to enjoy it. 14 boxes is all they had, crazy.

a week ago every place here had everything, it's all cleared out in less than 7 days.


YEP THAT WAS my experience as well.

when i walked in last night they were looking at me like they never had it

it almost like twilight zone errie

[chad]

YEP THAT WAS my experience as well.

when i walked in last night they were looking at me like they never had it

it almost like twilight zone errie

my new strategy is to troll around little small towns and hit up the hardware stores or gas stations (most gas stations here sell shotgun shells, .22 and common hunting rounds like 30-06). i'm hitting the road tomorrow and doing a loop around my area.

[midnight rambler]

Be advised that www.sgammo.com currently has subsonic Remington .22LR ammo on hand, but it's unsuitable for semi-auto .22s -

http://www.sgammo.com/product/remington/5000-round-case-remington-subsonic-22-lr-38-grain-hollow-point-ammunition-read-des

[chad]

Be advised that www.sgammo.com (http://www.sgammo.com) currently has subsonic Remington .22LR ammo on hand, but it's unsuitable for semi-auto .22s -

http://www.sgammo.com/product/remington/5000-round-case-remington-subsonic-22-lr-38-grain-hollow-point-ammunition-read-des

that will work great in my new cowboy single action. thanks!

[midnight rambler]

Be advised that ammoman has Wolf Military Classic and black box in 7.62x39 - http://ammoman.com/c/11/762-x-39

[EE_]

Be advised that ammoman has Wolf Military Classic and black box in 7.62x39 - http://ammoman.com/c/11/762-x-39

They have 182 cases of WMC and 64 cases of WP

[EE_]

They have 182 cases of WMC and 64 cases of WP

I'm watching how fast it's selling...can you say "wildfire"? I knew that you could

113 cases WMC left
WP - Out of Stock

[midnight rambler]

I'm watching how fast it's selling...can you say "wildfire"? I knew that you could

113 cases WMC left
WP - Out of Stock

As of 8 PM totally out of stock on 7.62x39.

[Mouse]

I forget who was crying about no 9*18 makarov lately, but ammoman has those for 159/500 wolf or 199 PRVI per 500. If you still need to outfit your 9*18 better get it. I already ggot mine before all this shit, so not really worrying (although I do need to check my inventory and see if another 1000 might be a good idea). The PRVI is good ammo, I have used a lot of it. Too bad it's all FMJ, but I guess hollowpoints are for rich kids now :)

http://ammoman.com/c/43/9x18-makarov

Edited to add these guys http://www.the-armory.com still have lots of in stock. It's expensive, but they have it. On 12/15 I bought some 762*39 for 209/1000 wolf its now like 399 or something for the exact same polyformance steel crap. craziness. I have bought several loads of stuff from these guys and no problems, so if you find what you are looking for go get it.

[mick silver]

well well well ... i went out to the shop i have been going to for 30 years i have never seen nothing on the walls like i did . all ar gone , all ak gone . and this guy alway haves 500 are more of both on hand . ammo had a limit of five boxes , went to one more shop and his ammo was a 3 box limit and he had almost nothing also . well today i am headed out to look for more 22lr thats the one thing i did not stock up on well . but i did get 650 rounds yesterday i guess it wasnt to bad . i seen guys that were driving for over 2 hours to buy ammo . never in my life would i thought i would see knob creek gun range about out of ever thing . the owner said he my not be getting anything in he has on back order . and when he buys he buys truck loads . never in my life would i thought i would of seen ammo being limit to what you could buy with cash on hand

[mick silver]

http://centerfiresystems.com/?utm_source=streamsend&utm_medium=email&utm_content=17826145&utm_campaign=BACK%2520IN%2520STOCK%2520AT%2520CENT ERFIRE%2520SYSTEMS%2521%2521%2521%2521

[osoab]

Went to a smaller lgs over in Indiana yesterday.

They had more ammo in pistol calibers than the last 5 stores I went in combined. The only limit he had was a 10 box limit on 7.62x39.

Had a few M&P-15 22s for about 450ish. The guy told me of some dupe that bought two of those at 2000 frns each in another town. Idiots.

No 22lr only had some 22 shorts.


edit.

The store had not jacked up any prices unless it was replacements. He had some 30 rnd AR mags for 40 bucks. He was laughing his ass off that CTD is selling them at 130.

[mick silver]

i am looking for a Saiga 12ga ,20 round drum have you guys seen any . if you have post a link to were i can get one thanks m s

[osoab]

i am looking for a Saiga 12ga ,20 round drum have you guys seen any . if you have post a link to were i can get one thanks m s

I'll be hitting a gun show tomorrow mick. What's a good price, and I will ship it to you. I doubt you will find anything online that is reasonable.

[Twisted Titan]

Walked in another ammo store and bought every glock 21 mag they had 25 bucks a pop got 11 I think

No restrictions on 45 acp 21 bucks for remington FMJ in the nickle case I grabbed about 32 boxes. The guy even shot me a deal knocked 50 cents off a box when he saw I peeling off that type of dough.

A few people was looking at me kinda sideways but no one said much of nothing and I really didnt care. This is a CODE RED SITUATION.

I definately got a deal because when the owner walked by he asked what the hell happed to 45? I didnt hear the rest I scooped mjy 3 boxes up and made a smooth @$$ get away.


Usally I am pretty talkative at the ammo shop because it so rare that Im around folks that have a love of Personal Defense but not this time.

This time I was almost nervous.......I wanted to get my stuff and be gone.

I think is because for the first time I am coming to grips with just how dire the situation is and I can no longer trust the heart of my fellow Gun Brother. I have heard enough talk the twisted logic of.... i need a Gun but not a High Cap Mags.Some of them are really started to knunckle under and parrot the Mainstream meme.

I am getting withdrawn because who knows what i say today may be the information that brings the Jackboots to my door.

Sad........... really , really Sad.

[mick silver]

dam t t that hit home . same here

[chad]

i cleaned a mom & pop hardware store out of .22LR on friday. the owned looked to be in his early 80s. he didn't say anything to me, but we kind of locked eyes at one point, and i think he understood why i was buying it.

[Norweger]

How much ammo do you guys need anyways?

[osoab]

So I went to a gun show yesterday at the Illinois State Fair Grounds. No one was shot. Illinois doesn't have mega shows. The was talk that the Ill governor was going to attempt to cancel the show. This didn't occur. However this show going on upon state property is just another point of the buffoonery of his term as full time governor.

It was nuts, I wasn't there long. I will give a brief synopsis of the day.

Arrived 1 hour prior to the doors opening. Not too many people pulling in the lot at that time. Decided to get in line about 8:30. I was number 50 or so. They opened the doors about 10 minutes early. 300 people were in line at that time.

I didn't peruse many tables.

My mission was ammo. I don't have a 308 rifle and I wanted ammo prior to purchase of a rifle. There was one table that had any ammo in quantity. Wolf, surplus, privi... I bought 1000rnds of German 200rnd battle packs. Paid 860. He had some wolf a bit cheaper, but he had 5 on the table I took em. Wolf 7.62x39 was about 350 for 1000. Nice price, I should have bought a 1000 there, but I only have so many hands. (mick I was looking at 2 saiga drums at the table, I didn't ask the price). When I bought mine, there was about 40 people all around the table. Only the man and his wife to work it. I think I was the 2nd or third purchase. They were still writing prices on tags when all us vultures descended.

Saw some magpul mags for 40-50 each and aluminum and steel mags running between 30-60 each. Did see some g3 mags for 5 bucks at one table. Ak mags were from 25-30 each. Picked up some Ranger T-series for 30 a box. By that time the ammo was weighing my arms down, it was time to go after 45 minutes. Couldn't find any Glock 22 mags. Saw an aftermarket G22 mag 50rnd mag for 50 frns.

A friend was out in the parking lot and didn't want to wait in line. Said the line never got below 150 waiting for the 1st hour.

So after the show I headed to Scheels. 200 rnd limit on 22. They only had winchester 50rnd grey box in 22lr, and maybe 10 full bricks broken down in the cabinet (under lock) in view.
100 rnd limit on 308 and 223 (They had no 223). Only had fmj in the pistol calibers but there was a limit on them too. I think the limits were in the 100-200 area. Got in there about 10:30.
Scheels did have some new ar's in stock. People were already buying. More and more people from the gun show kept filtering in. Had another friend that was at Scheels later in the afternoon. They sold out of their ar stock they had. They had a line of 60-100 people waiting to get to section to buy/look at a guns at that time. They had one glock and no sprinfields. Mags, forget it. They actually had roped lines at Scheels for people to get up to the ar's to look at them.

Next went to Gander Mountain. Very few when I started getting busy when I left. These folks had come from the gun show then from Scheels then to Gander. I was just a little earlier. Not much ammo at a decent price. They did have a G22 for 560. You had to have number called to get service at the gun counter.

Went to another gun shop I had never been to before. They had a WASR-10 for 1200 frns. They had a cetme for 800. Couldn't see the prices on the few ar's on the rack. I think they wanted 350-450 for the lone sks. I asked if they had any G22 mags. 60 frns. I just said too rich for my blood. This place was busy too. People looking to buy and buying.

Stopped by a smaller shop near there and the guy wanted 2800 from some Olympia Arms ar's and 50 bucks for a 30 rnd aluminum ar mag.

Friends were at the gun show this morning. Said they walked in. The guy with the ammo had some 45 and 9mm wolf and some rio 00 buck left. Not much else left. The ammo can lady had no ammo cans. Said about 10:30 the place went nuts with people pushing and shoving... The church crowd showed up.

I was at the same show last year. Figure at the beginning there were 4-5x more people this than last year.

I did not do the state capitol march. Fuck that shit.

[osoab]

How much ammo do you guys need anyways?


There's only two times in life when you can too much ammo...

When you're on fire and when you are drowning...

[gunDriller]

How much ammo do you guys need anyways?

well, i'll take a shot at it ! :)

i notice that a "typical" well-trained GIM'er type (i didn't say GIM2'er - there's a difference !) will expend ammunition costing ballpark $200 in a typical afternoon out shooting, and will do this at least once a month.

estimating 60 cents a round, between a combination of 45 ACP, .357 Magnum, 308 Rifle Shooting, and some shotgun blasts for good measure (much of it purchased before Newtown & the most recent round of ammo price increases), that's 300+ rounds, shells, etc.

x 12 = 3600 rounds a year - for 12 serious training sessions with 2 people. the 2 people sharing the 300+ rounds.


that's for training.

in terms of home defense, i would ballpark it at 200 rounds in a successful defense against 4 well-armed burglars.

OK, then the question is, in a TSHTF situation, how many such defense's will be needed. i would say, 1 a week for a year. 200 x 50 = 10,000 rounds & shells.


so, basically, as a first sweep in answering the question, 10,000 rounds in storage and 3600 per year for training.


another way to look at it is, to consider situations where American citizens were minding their own business and were assaulted by employees and/or paid agents of the US government.

Ruby Ridge, for example. what firepower would Randy Weaver have needed to defend his home & family against assault ?


of course, in practice, the answer to how much you need is often, how much can you afford ?

[Norweger]

Hoarding for training and to protect one self from inflated prices i can understand, but in a total collapse and a spiral of violence WROLSHTF etc where you might come in a situation where you will have to shoot at another human being it's very unlikely that you need a ton of ammunition.

One bullet might give you food for a month if you use it for hunting and for that purpose one doesnt really need that many unless of course you are a horrible shooter.

Also, if one have to leave everything behind its very limited how much of it you can carry. This hoarding business is contributing to the inflated prices and might make it harder for the american populace to fight back against tyranny if all the ammo is in few hands.

Just my 2 pfennigs.

[BrewTech]

Hoarding for training and to protect one self from inflated prices i can understand, but in a total collapse and a spiral of violence WROLSHTF etc where you might come in a situation where you will have to shoot at another human being it's very unlikely that you need a ton of ammunition.

One bullet might give you food for a month if you use it for hunting and for that purpose one doesnt really need that many unless of course you are a horrible shooter.


Also, if one have to leave everything behind its very limited how much of it you can carry. This hoarding business is contributing to the inflated prices and might make it harder for the american populace to fight back against tyranny if all the ammo is in few hands.

Just my 2 pfennigs.


Definitely something to keep in mind...

I AM a horrible shooter so I'll keep a few for backup!

[Twisted Titan]

How much ammo do you guys need anyways?

Just Like Silver: Buy till cant afford it or Find it.

[chad]

i'm antic buying hoarding it because i expect 2 things to happen:

1) huge taxes on it going forward (buy it cheap now)

2) limits on purchases w/mandatory identification tracking (like buying cold medicine)

fuck that. i'm buying as much as i can now. cheap and off the books.

[Twisted Titan]

i'm antic buying hoarding it because i expect 2 things to happen:

1) huge taxes on it going forward (buy it cheap now)

2) limits on purchases w/mandatory identification tracking (like buying cold medicine)

fuck that. i'm buying as much as i can now. cheap and off the books.



The next FF they will definately be implementing the draconian rules possible

[Twisted Titan]

Hoarding for training and to protect one self from inflated prices i can understand, but in a total collapse and a spiral of violence WROLSHTF etc where you might come in a situation where you will have to shoot at another human being it's very unlikely that you need a ton of ammunition.

One bullet might give you food for a month if you use it for hunting and for that purpose one doesnt really need that many unless of course you are a horrible shooter.

Also, if one have to leave everything behind its very limited how much of it you can carry. This hoarding business is contributing to the inflated prices and might make it harder for the american populace to fight back against tyra

nny if all the ammo is in few hands.

Just my 2 pfennigs.

You are making a ton of assumptions.

And my crystal ball is a tad cloudy so i have nothing to go by except experience.

I dont know the exact situation i will find myself in so it purdent to prepare to the best of my abilty for all


And that comment about panic buying jacking up prices and not leaving supplies for others.

Every Patriot has the responsibility of carrying their own weight for The Fight ahead....what they have OR DO NOT HAVE IS ON THEM.

[Son-of-Liberty]

So is everyone out of ammo? When I check ammo engine the only supplier listed now is double tap. Or do you think double tap is paying them off to advertise their products exclusively?

[osoab]

I think the priciest is the last to be bought up. sgammo.com had a decent amount of the high end Hornday in the last two weeks and nothing else. They are out now... I just checked their site. They do have some 5000rnd bricks of Aguila Super Colibri. Something I think everyone should have in their 22lr collection. You cannot use it in semi-autos, but if you have a bolt, revolver, lever, or pump action they should be a requirement.

[Son-of-Liberty]

Just went through all the caliber listings at ammo engine and there were actually a few listings by wideners and ammobank but 95% of the listings were doubletap.

[Uncle Salty]

How much ammo do you guys need anyways?

How much ammo do we want is the appropriate question. Fuck need.

[osoab]

Just went through all the caliber listings at ammo engine and there were actually a few listings by wideners and ammobank but 95% of the listings were doubletap.


I thought Hornday made something called Double Tap. I didn't realize that this was a company. Anyhow did you see how pricey it is. I wouldn't doubt that these are normal prices too. 1.50rnd for 308 match.

[AndreaGail]

How much ammo do we want is the appropriate question. Fuck need.

Wasnt your sig on gim1 "for every oz of pm you have, make sure to protect it with an oz of lead"?

one of my favorite quotes / phrases from the old site

[Mouse]

Hoarding for training and to protect one self from inflated prices i can understand, but in a total collapse and a spiral of violence WROLSHTF etc where you might come in a situation where you will have to shoot at another human being it's very unlikely that you need a ton of ammunition.

One bullet might give you food for a month if you use it for hunting and for that purpose one doesnt really need that many unless of course you are a horrible shooter.

Also, if one have to leave everything behind its very limited how much of it you can carry. This hoarding business is contributing to the inflated prices and might make it harder for the american populace to fight back against tyranny if all the ammo is in few hands.

Just my 2 pfennigs.

When the time comes, those without arms will be armed; those without ammo, will be provided ammo. The people that hoard all this shit will be the guys handing out the guns and ammo to those willing to put them to a proper use. That's why, pal.

[Black Blade]

The time to stock up was when ammo was cheap and available. It was a huge red flag when the Usurper was elected in 2008. We knew that a second term meant he would go for broke on gun control. Now ammo is very tight. We did say even as late as a few months ago before the election to ------ "Buy It Cheap and Stack It Deep"

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss107/vinmanNO1/ammoho004.jpg

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss107/vinmanNO1/ammoho001.jpg

[EE_]

Somehow, I wanna believe all that is yours. :)

[mick silver]

now the time also to add parts for the stuff you own before that becomes harder to get . as i see it many are looking for ammo it maybe time to get the parts needed for ak an ar

[horseshoe3]

When the time comes, those without arms will be armed; those without ammo, will be provided ammo. The people that hoard all this shit will be the guys handing out the guns and ammo to those willing to put them to a proper use. That's why, pal.

If they didn't have the sense or desire to buy it when they should have, are they the people you want to arm out of you own stash? The answer will likely be different for each of your friends and relatives, but you better think long and hard about it before you hand someone a weapon in a time of crisis.

[Twisted Titan]

now the time also to add parts for the stuff you own before that becomes harder to get . as i see it many are looking for ammo it maybe time to get the parts needed for ak an ar


That why i went tripple rundency on my pistols and i went doubble redun on my rifles.

If ever needed parts or visual guide to repair i had a full functioning model right in front of me.


The best time to buy guns was 6 months ago.

The best thing you could do right now is ammo and mags on the most popular stuff.

I just came off Gunbroker sellers are asking 90 FRNS for 15 rd OEM Mags for a G19

Even the cheap knockoff stuff is getting soldout

[chad]

i need sten mags. everyplace want 30 FRNS or more. 30 FRNS for 60+ year old sten mags? you used to be able to buy them for $7.

[mick silver]

T T i see what your saying but i cover my bases some time ago , i just needed more 22 lr in the last few days i have taken care of that also . i have parts , but you never have enough for ar and ak

[Twisted Titan]

At a nearby store

Glock Mags for G19

10 rds going for 30FRNS

How i was able to G21 mags for 24 FRNS i will never know.


15 rds are like magical unicorns nowadays.

If they last i plan to clean them out on Thursday.....if anybody has a immediate need i will grab what i can and ship it.

[drafter]

i need sten mags. everyplace want 30 FRNS or more. 30 FRNS for 60+ year old sten mags? you used to be able to buy them for $7.

PM sent. I might be able to help you out.

[Sparky]

When your GSUS friends can't get ammo, it's a disturbing trend. When you can't get ammo, it's an emergency.

I went to the range tonight. I usually buy at least as much replacement ammo as I bring with me to shoot, and maybe a little more. Tonight I was planning to buy more. I was told that they have not had 9mm for two weeks now. And this place has a lot of traffic and is usually well-stocked. Even a month ago, after the Newtown shooting, they had plenty. None tonight. The guy who worked there said he hasn't seen anything like this in 30 years.

So on my way home I stopped at WalMart, where I've never bought ammo before. The 9mm shelf was empty. Hmmm. Guy says as soon as a shipment comes in, the first few buyers have been cleaning him out. While I was there, another guy came and bought their last three 250-count boxes of .40. As he was at the register, another guy came by and said, "dang, I came here for .40." I suggested he ask the customer at the register (who I had chatted with, and was a good guy) if he would be willing to give up one of his boxes. He was. I told him he did a good deed, and he smiled.

But no 9mm for me. I wonder if Black Blade has any. :D

[Horn]

But no 9mm for me. I wonder if Black Blade has any. :D

You are the 7th such rendition of Sparky.

The first six ended up sitting at the reloading bench, which door will you choose?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wdKlWXyUkc

[osoab]

Remember Sparky,

Panic early, beat the rush...:D

Start heading into local gun shops big box stores etc. Don't just settle for WallyWorld and the range you go to.

[chad]

When your GSUS friends can't get ammo, it's a disturbing trend. When you can't get ammo, it's an emergency.

I went to the range tonight. I usually buy at least as much replacement ammo as I bring with me to shoot, and maybe a little more. Tonight I was planning to buy more. I was told that they have not had 9mm for two weeks now. And this place has a lot of traffic and is usually well-stocked. Even a month ago, after the Newtown shooting, they had plenty. None tonight. The guy who worked there said he hasn't seen anything like this in 30 years.

So on my way home I stopped at WalMart, where I've never bought ammo before. The 9mm shelf was empty. Hmmm. Guy says as soon as a shipment comes in, the first few buyers have been cleaning him out. While I was there, another guy came and bought their last three 250-count boxes of .40. As he was at the register, another guy came by and said, "dang, I came here for .40." I suggested he ask the customer at the register (who I had chatted with, and was a good guy) if he would be willing to give up one of his boxes. He was. I told him he did a good deed, and he smiled.

But no 9mm for me. I wonder if Black Blade has any. :D

if you can get to wisconsin, i'll give you a box or two. it's wolf though :D

[osoab]

if you can get to wisconsin, i'll give you a box or two. it's wolf though :D

I'll one up you. I got about 1000rnds I had bought over the past couple of years and I don't even have a gun that can shoot it. Sparky, one hundred rounds of winchester white box or I can point you to a gun shop in Indiana.

[Sparky]

It's good to know I'll have some backers out there when the revolution starts. :D

[osoab]

It's good to know I'll have some backers out there when the revolution starts. :D


I only ship by carrier pigeon.

[Twisted Titan]

When your GSUS friends can't get ammo, it's a disturbing trend. When you can't get ammo, it's an emergency.


Nominated for post of the Month.

And somebody better snag it for a Tag Line.

[osoab]

i need sten mags. everyplace want 30 FRNS or more. 30 FRNS for 60+ year old sten mags? you used to be able to buy them for $7.

CDNN's site is back up. They show some for 30.
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/stenmags.html

[sirgonzo420]

I only ship by carrier pigeon.

They must be some pretty big pigeons.

[osoab]

They must be some pretty big pigeons.

Bite your frickin head off man.

[mick silver]

if you guys see a web site with one of theys in stock let me know ... http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/saiga-12-gauge-20-round-drum-promag-smoke-cover-p-1169.html

[Twisted Titan]

http://www.gilbertsguns.com/Clips-Magazines


Glock Factory Mags in stock........better get them while the hell you can

[osoab]

http://www.gilbertsguns.com/Clips-Magazines


Glock Factory Mags in stock........better get them while the hell you can

50 bones apiece and no G22 mags.

[Twisted Titan]

I havent seen anybody else with OEM

Gunbroker had certain Mags going for 85 a pop

Considering the Political Climate.


I think that price is a steal

[chad]

glad i bought 20 hi-caps for my 92fs last year...

[osoab]

I havent seen anybody else with OEM

Gunbroker had certain Mags going for 85 a pop

Considering the Political Climate.


I think that price is a steal

I know of a place that had some 19 and 17 @ 25 per as of last week. I don't know if they were 10 or 15 rnd mags. Maybe 50 of each.

[Tumbleweed]

I ordered several 15rd mags for a glock 33 recently for $30 apeice. Got an email this morning that they have shipped. I was at a Cabelas yesterday and they were pretty short on powder and primers. I was able to get several thousand large rifle and pistol primers and some powder. Couldn't get the powder I wanted but got some that will work. They were limiting how much you could buy on powder, primers and ammo.

I was at a Walmart later on and walked past the gun and ammo counter to see what they had and it wasn't much. They had a few rifle cartridges but no .22. They did have quit a few of the target shotgun shells. I've tried cutting the end off some of them, pouring out the pellets then heating them and candle wax and putting them back together so they work like slugs. That's kind of fun.

There was a guy at the counter and we got to visiting about the shortage of ammo and he told me he had been at Cabelas when the rush started. He said he had picked up some ammo. Ahead of him in the checkout line was a guy with several AR's lots of ammo and magazines that totaled up to $26,000. I think that guy had the right idea.

[chad]

re your primer & reloading comment tumbleweed: i saw a guy 2 sundays ago buy every reloading item in the locked case at a scheel's store. there had to have been over $x,xxx worth of stuff. he filled up a whole shopping cart.

[EE_]

Do you guys remember the last time we had a minor ammo shortage...primers were the hardest thing to get.
They were trading like gold.

[Tumbleweed]

re your primer & reloading comment tumbleweed: i saw a guy 2 sundays ago buy every reloading item in the locked case at a scheel's store. there had to have been over $x,xxx worth of stuff. he filled up a whole shopping cart.

When I was checking out I had to many primers so they set some back. I said I'd go to Scheels and see what they had. A guy behind me said he'd just come from there and they didn't have any and they didn't have any powder either. I put my stuff in my car then came back and got some more primers. Probably should have got some more but I didn't. I did get enough to keep me busy for awhile though.

EE I had tried to buy some primers the last time there was a run on reloading supplies but then just didn't get around to getting some when they were available. I've acquired a 7mm 08 that seems hard to find ammo for and when you do it's expensive so that's what has got me moving on it now.

[Dogman]

I've acquired a 7mm 08 that seems hard to find ammo for and when you do it's expensive so that's what has got me moving on it now.

If you have a .308 or the brass, its easy to neck down to 7mm and roll your own. I used to own a Remington xp-100 that I had re chambered for the 7mm-08. Back at the time there was NO factory ammo, it was still a wildcat round so I had to make my own....Easy. The die set and then neck down and trim to length. (use lot's of lube)

Edit: You will be reforming a bunch of brass so you need a heavy press, like a rock chucker or something similar. The strike through is I was thinking of 30-06 brass. Necking down .308 is not very radical, I have also made 7mm-08 and .308 out of 30-06 brass and that is really radical, moving a bunch of brass and gives a very long neck that needs to be cut and trimmed to length.

[mick silver]

at walmart and a gun shop i went to they were out of 22lr but i did get a box of a 100 of 45 auto at walmart for 40 bucks

[EE_]

at walmart and a gun shop i went to they were out of 22lr but i did get a box of a 100 of 45 auto at walmart for 40 bucks

CCI Mini-Mags are golden right now!

[Ponce]

All that I can say is that I am glad that I got all that I needed fiver years ago.....now that you guys got your ammo and food start getting stuff to fix your roof, wall, sink, plumming and so on......the five gallon paint that I paid twenty eigh dollars is now onehundred and ten........but at that price (like silver) it is a bargain because later there wont be any, also buy the missmacht color that you don't like because anything will do......I am using the paint as an example........oh yeah, and don't forget your tp.

First post of the day.............good morning to one and all.

V

[Son-of-Liberty]

Some of the shortages seem to be showing up here in Canada now.

Bulk 223 is starting to dry up and AR type rifles also seem to be getting more rare.

Going to a Gun show this weekend. Will let you know how it pans out.

[Twisted Titan]

Went back to my amm0 store were i cleaned out 45 acp


Trying to do the same thing with 9mm

No dice

Two box restrictions on everything.

People was pissed......the guy who sold me before saw me again and gave mention of my strategic move to a few jonny come latelys.
You could see the disgust resenment and fear in their eyes.

They still have 10 rd glock mags for about 30 a piece. i saw a few 17 rds but they were marked LE.

I grabbed just one mag and will continue to do so until they dissapear or are restricted.

I felt bad about converting that silver last week.

Dont feel that way now.

Folks dam near look at me like a Prophet.

That thin veneer of civilty is close to getting ripped off.

Keep stacking whatever the hell you can find.

[chad]

i sold 100 ounces week to do the same thing ta. but now, when i look at my new ruger and a huge pile of ammo boxes next to it, i don't feel so bad.

[osoab]

CCI Mini-Mags are golden right now!

I found four 100rnd boxes I forgot about. Cha-Ching!

[Twisted Titan]

i sold 100 ounces week to do the same thing ta. but now, when i look at my new ruger and a huge pile of ammo boxes next to it, i don't feel so bad.

Just changing one precious metal for the other.

Probally even MORE precious.

What good is your stash if you are not in the postion to defend it?

[chad]

I found four 100rnd boxes I forgot about. Cha-Ching!

score.

[EE_]

http://rlv.zcache.com/invest_in_precious_metals_2_dollar_signs_bumper_st icker-p128755594106496767en8ys_400.jpg

[chad]

just scored 2 boxes of .38 for $22.99 at a true value hardware.

[EE_]

What's next, a run on ammo cans?
I ordered one of these for shotgun shells...should be here in a couple days. http://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/range-gear/range-bags/ammo-can-ammo-can-sku574-000-009-42790-80926.aspx?ttver=1
I couldn't find any fat 50 military cans and wanted the bigger size.
I'll let ya know if they're any good.

They can still be bought here http://www.ammoboxes.com/ac11.html

[milehi]

Nothing on the shelves for me today, but I did find two boxes of Fiocchi .38 158grs FMJ *on sale!* for $20.99 for my mom.

[osoab]

What's next, a run on ammo cans?
I ordered one of these for shotgun shells...should be here in a couple days. http://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/range-gear/range-bags/ammo-can-ammo-can-sku574-000-009-42790-80926.aspx?ttver=1
I couldn't find any fat 50 military cans and wanted the bigger size.
I'll let ya know if they're any good.

They can still be bought here http://www.ammoboxes.com/ac11.html

Safes, cleaning supplies, and any parts. I have yet to find repair kits in stock for an ar-15 for 4 weeks+.

I have not seen any sign of abatement either. This shit is nuts.

[Twisted Titan]

What's next, a run on ammo cans?
I ordered one of these for shotgun shells...should be here in a couple days. http://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/range-gear/range-bags/ammo-can-ammo-can-sku574-000-009-42790-80926.aspx?ttver=1
I couldn't find any fat 50 military cans and wanted the bigger size.
I'll let ya know if they're any good.

They can still be bought here http://www.ammoboxes.com/ac11.html


http://store.colemans.com/cart/ammo-box-30mm-can-p-2478.html


I am partial to these right now because you can load alot of ammo and have it still be manageable weight wise

Its great for deep storage.

The stuff you need in easy reach keep in regular fat cans

[Twisted Titan]

For those of us that own Mosins

This is a excellent deal.

300 rds already on stripper clips for 70 bucks

Shipping will cost you 30 so your looking at about 100 FRNs




http://www.jgsales.com/-p-17804.html

I like the fact they are pre loaded and to Military Specs..i just picked up 5 cheap chinese clips for 7 bucks and i wish i would have saw these earlier

[osoab]

For those of us that own Mosins

This is a excellent deal.

300 rds already on stripper clips for 70 bucks

Shipping will cost you 30 so your looking at about 100 FRNs




http://www.jgsales.com/-p-17804.html

I like the fact they are pre loaded and to Military Specs..i just picked up 5 cheap chinese clips for 7 bucks and i wish i would have saw these earlier

This might make a good companion purchase.

For 150. No idea on shipping.
648 rd case - 7.62x54R Czech Surplus 46 grain Hollow Core Low Recoil ammo (http://sgammo.com/product/surplus/648-rd-case-762x54r-czech-surplus-46-grain-hollow-core-low-recoil-ammo)

[mick silver]

http://sgammo.com/product/exploding-targets/full-case-20-targets-shockwave-brand-1-pound-exploding-target

[Twisted Titan]

Mick without a doubt you are the Craziest Country Bumpkin I have EVER crossed paths with..

Thank God your on OUR side.

[EE_]

Has anyone assessed what affect the gun buying frenzy is having on other business in this country?
10's of billions are being spent on guns and ammunition that could be going to other small businesses.

Many have blown months worth, or more of their household budgets to arm up. Money that may have been spent into the general economy.

As a result, I think this will cause many to cut back on dining out, making repairs on homes, purchasing clothing and other goods with their discretionary income. Even worse, I think a lot of people have gone into debt to purchase a lifetime supply of weapons and ammo.

Is this good for the recovery?

[Dogman]

Has anyone assessed what affect the gun buying frenzy is having on other business in this country?
10's of billions are being spent on guns and ammunition that could be going to other small businesses.

Many have blown months worth, or more of their household budgets to arm up. Money that may have been spent into the general economy.

As a result, I think this will cause many to cut back on dining out, making repairs on homes, purchasing clothing and other goods with their discretionary income. Even worse, I think a lot of people have gone into debt to purchase a lifetime supply of weapons and ammo.

Is this good for the recovery? That is a dam fine question!

This could hurt lower income people that buying ammo/guns could bust their budgets. But I suspect that as a percentage compared to non-gun people it will be low.

So the overall effect on other company's and services would/could be quite low.

Because if the vast majority of the population was pro gun.

We would not even be having this discussion on this forum, because it would probably be a non issue.

IMHO!

[BrewTech]

Mick without a doubt you are the Craziest Country Bumpkin I have EVER crossed paths with..

Thank God your on OUR side.

Mick might be the oldest member I know on this and the other forum. He was on SilverSeek when I first stumbled across his posts...leading me to the old GIM.

He can be credited for the fact I'm here, I suppose!

[Twisted Titan]

Mick might be the oldest member I know on this and the other forum. He was on SilverSeek when I first stumbled across his posts...leading me to the old GIM.

He can be credited for the fact I'm here, I suppose!

Yep mick did the exact same thing for me.

In the middle of the controlled demolition Flase Flag massacre on April Fools day. He tossed out several life lines to me.

[Twisted Titan]

Mick might be the oldest member I know on this and the other forum. He was on SilverSeek when I first stumbled across his posts...leading me to the old GIM.

He can be credited for the fact I'm here, I suppose!

Yep mick did the exact same thing for me.

In the middle of the controlled demolition Flase Flag massacre on April Fools day. He tossed out several life lines to me.

[mick silver]

hell they look like they would be fun to take out an shoot at , have you guys ever shoot at them

[Half Sense]

Bricks of bulk .22lr were $50 at a recent small town gun show in Florida. I saw a lot of old stuff and off-brand ammo in common calibers. People are bringing out stuff from 40 years ago because they know it will sell.

[Norweger]

a brick of federal copper plated hollow points costs around $54 here and that is considered cheap.

[Twisted Titan]

In another six months. .......it will be.

[EE_]

anyone seeing any .22LR out there

[Rubberchicken]

hell they look like they would be fun to take out an shoot at , have you guys ever shoot at them

they are impressive mick, these are what I shoot http://www.tannerite.com/

video demonstration- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqomN9ghOQU

make your own- [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KQO_9tN2mw

[midnight rambler]

anyone seeing any .22LR out there

Went to the gunshow yesterday, lots of centerfire ammo, but almost no .22LR. Then went to the oldest, largest locally family owned gun store - they had 50 rd. boxes of .22LR for $20.

[Son-of-Liberty]

The gun show was OK. Wasn't much to be had. Mostly hunting rifles and antique stuff there was one AR. A lot of older ammo and uncommon calibers were available. Not much for 9mm, .223, .308.

Missed out on a real good deal on older shotgun ammo. Wasn't really looking to get any. One vendor was just trying to clear everything he had before the end the day and offered me 12 or 14 boxes of mixed old stuff for $100. It was old but looked decent. I decided to think about it and when I came back to buy it in a half hour of course it had sold. Still kicking myself now that I think about it.

[Shami-Amourae]

anyone seeing any .22LR out there

No. If I did I'd buy it.

My local shooting range had plenty of 9mm but no .22LR.

[mick silver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD0PKDGlwiw

[mick silver]

http://www.alliancearmament.com/saiga12accessories.aspx ,,, http://www.alliancearmament.com/acceleratordemovideo3.aspx

[EE_]

I don't remember anyone saying anything about an ammunition ban?
Amazing how many of these fucking Jews want to take our guns...and now ammo

Gun control 2013: Chicago Mayor Rahm Israel Emanuel asks banks to cut off gun makers
01/25/2013

CHICAGO - Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Friday asked big banks to stop lending to gun makers as a way to pressure the industry to support tougher gun control laws.

Emanuel, mayor of the nation's third-largest city and former chief of staff to President Obama, wrote the CEOs of Bank of America and TD Bank, since they finance gun makers that lobby against federal and local efforts to toughen gun control laws.

Bank of America gives Sturm, Ruger & Company Inc. a $25 million line of credit and TD Bank gives Smith & Wesson a $60 million line of credit, according to the letter.

"I ask you to use your influence to push this company to find common ground with the vast majority of Americans who support a military weapons and ammunition ban, and comprehensive background checks," Emanuel wrote to Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan. He wrote a similar letter to TD Bank CEO Bharat Masrani.

Both Bank of America and TD declined to comment.

Smith & Wesson and Sturm, Ruger make a wide variety of firearms, including the semiautomatic rifles that are known variously as assault weapons or modern sporting rifles.

Emanuel pushed for tougher gun control measures long before the slayings of children and teachers at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school last month. Two years ago, the Supreme Court overturned the city's handgun ban, forcing the city to rewrite its laws. Chicago maintains some of the nation's toughest gun control laws, including registration of any kind of gun and a ban on assault weapons.

"Doing business with gun manufacturers might benefit the banks' bottom line, but they put our police officers, our children, and our communities at risk," Emanuel said in a Friday statement.

His office has also ordered city pension and retirement funds to divest shares in gun makers. This week, the Chicago Municipal Employees Annuity and Benefit Fund agreed to shift $1 million from manufacturers of assault rifles, including Freedom Group, Smith and Wesson and Sturm, Ruger.

Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/gun-control-2013-chicago-mayor-rahm-emanuel-asks-banks-to-cut-off-gun-makers#ixzz2JIdDEV85

[Son-of-Liberty]

I just snagged a 500 round can of 223 from cabela's for $219 CAD. Was there last week and they were sold out but they just got some stuff in today and I was lucky enough to be there. They had two more cans I almost bought but I am pretty tight for cash. I thought about buying it for resale but I am still not seeing signs of panic buying up here yet. At least I have some for my own supply.

[Son-of-Liberty]

I think stuff is still trickling in because our nazi customs guys always hold shit forever at the border and this stuff was likely shipped weeks or even months ago.

[AndreaGail]

I don't remember anyone saying anything about an ammunition ban?
Amazing how many of these fucking Jews want to take our guns...and now ammo

I've always given an ammo ban some thought

It would render the 2nd amendment useless or close to it while at the same time the hook noses would be "upholding it"

Us goyim could still "bear arms" just couldnt buy anything to load into them (unless you bought it cheap and stacked it deep or reload)

quite a big loophole if you ask me

[Twisted Titan]

As important as guns are.

Magazines and ammo are MORE important.


Without mags you got yourself a fancy one shot that has to cool.

Without ammo you got yourself a expensive war club.

[mick silver]

back up for some deals

[Rubberchicken]

look here- armslist.com

[Sparky]

Was able to buy 9 mm this morning; only one brand available. $17 per 50 rounds. No Beretta pistol magazines available. Called my shooting range as well; they're still out of 9mm going on 4 weeks, with no clue as to when their next shipment will come in.

BTW, the gun store was packed with customers this morning. There were at least a half-dozen employees on shift trying to keep up. And this is on a weekday morning; I thought it would be quiet time.

[chad]

i just won the .22 lottery. the 350 round boxes were $13.97 each, the little match ammo boxes were $3.97 each, and the shorts were $2.97. nobody must have told mom & pop hardware about the shortage.

4380

[EE_]

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/173/10/173-1026223912-cartridges2.jpg

Ammo for Barter – Ammo vs. Money
by Terence Gillespie

The belief that everything is available for the right price is a Hollywood myth that really must go. The Beatles sang better with, “Money Can’t Buy Me Love.”

For some reason, our fiat tokens are still being mistaken for real money. And yet, I haven’t seen .357 Magnum on the shelves in the last 12 months. Maybe that’s why it’s already happening: Ammunition is being used for barter.

Blame who you will. The green shoots of barter have appeared in anticipation of nobody knows what. Ivory tower questions of if and should (ammunition be used in barter) have been answered by the not so “invisible hand” of the market. That leaves questions of efficiency, demand, supply, resource allocation, liquidity and legality. In particular:

How does ammo compare with money?
How does ammo compare with other barter items?
What supply and demand Factors are unique to ammunition?
Which cartridges are best?
How much is enough?
What about reloading?
Is it legal?
For all its flaws, hassles and lack of precision, barter is a wonderful thing. It gets people talking, needs are fulfilled, the exchange is personal and everyone leaves the table with real goods.

Lately, it appears the real good people want to leave the table with is ammunition.

Ammo vs. Money

We barter when money is not available, money is worthless or when goods are not available regardless of money. Ammo is currently being used in barter because it’s not available regardless of money. However, it's not hard to foresee a time when all three conditions would exist.

Gold and silver are the best money on earth for reasons listed in, “Why is Gold Money?” They have all the key attributes of money and they have them in spades: They score excellent within each category. For instance, gold and silver are not only transportable, they are very transportable. They are not only storable, they are very storable. . .and on down the line with each attribute. Going one by one comparing the attributes of money with ammunition, ammo is:

Transportable: Yes, if kept away from water and shipped within legal restrictions.

Divisible: Only within the same cartridge. Safety would dictate that divisibility be further limited to manufactured lots. Mixing different size cartridges is possible, but seldom done.

Storable: Yes, for about 50 years though with much less tolerances than gold or silver. Ammo can be destroyed or unpredictable if wet. Performance can also vary with ambient humidity. Storability is on a par with wheat.

Fungible: No. It has divisibility by cartridge but no fungibility.

Resilient: Yes, though with much less tolerances than gold or silver. Ammo in water can not be trusted: Brass rusts while primers decay unpredictably. Ammo is about as resilient as a large can of beans: Once it’s dented, less people trust it.

Measurable: Yes, within the same cartridge where components are consistent.

High Unit Value: Yes, with values just above copper and lead though far below silver and gold.

Desirable: Yes, but not universally. Desirability is limited to those in charge of security, hunting or those aware of a gun’s wide range of utility. If the need for security grows the desire for each family to have some amount of ammunition will increase.

Rare: More and more each day.

Hard to Counterfeit: No. But non-functional copies that pass muster are almost as expensive to make as a functional round.

So, ammunition is transportable, storable, resilient, measurable, has a High Unit Value, and is increasingly Desirable and Rare. However, Divisibility is limited to cartridge and there is no Fungibility. Counterfeiting is possible, but, non-functional copies that pass muster are expensive to make.

Ammunition has 7 out of the 10 attributes of money. However, it does not perform nearly as well in those 7 attributes as does gold and silver. If we hold ammunition to the same standards as gold and silver then it would be used as money only on a supplemental or transitional basis.

The most acceptable forms of tradable ammo would be cartridges in wide demand, manufactured with consistent and trusted components and transported and stored in a manner to keep it from coming into contact with water. The end result being a half-dollar (Or .45 ACP round, in this case) that you could use to buy a pack of gum with in the morning or shoot a rattlesnake with in the afternoon!

If that’s how Ammunition measures up against gold and silver how do Federal Reserve Tokens (dollars) measure up?

Dollars vs. Money

Dollars are transportable, measurable and storable on a par with paper cut into uniform pieces. They are not divisible, fungible, resilient, desirable or hard to counterfeit. They do not have a high unit value and are rare on a par with the stars in the sky or the sand at the beach.

Dollars have 3 out of the 10 attributes of money, performing poorly within those attributes. If we hold dollars to the same standards as gold and silver the dollars would be used as money only if a government forced their acceptance at the point of a gun.

The ammo in that gun would be a far superior form of money than the dollars they enforce.

Reverse Ammo Multipliers

A disastrous economy combined with an increasing awareness of the need for security is causing ammo to fly off the shelves. The inability of manufactures to keep up with demand is making the lack of supply visible. And California’s recent ban on the importation of ammunition and our growing distrust of the victim disarmament gang is not exactly quelling demand.

All these factors are ricocheting off one another and imparting to ammunition two of the key ingredients of money: Desirability and Rarity.

Another reverse multiplier is the falling dollar amidst surging commodity prices. This dynamic duo is imparting to ammunition a third key ingredient of money: High Unit Value.

Ammunition Deflation

If ammo were being used as money, today, we’d be in a deflationary period.

The ammo presses are not physically able to “print” enough. What ammo is being printed is quickly purchased and shot off or saved for the future. The only banking system is in personal physical storage where owners do not loan it back into the money supply. That takes it completely out of circulation.

To make matters worse the ammo that is shot off is only partially recycled to bring it back into the money supply. And more and more new gun owners are buying their first 200 rounds to practice with their favorite new security tool.

The net effect is that one unit of ammo can now purchase more goods and services. If you had been using ammunition as money and savings you would have tripled the return you received on the equivalent amount of dollar savings over the last year.

In fact, if you substitute ammo for dollars it turns out the deflationists were right!

[EE_]

Was able to buy 9 mm this morning; only one brand available. $17 per 50 rounds. No Beretta pistol magazines available. Called my shooting range as well; they're still out of 9mm going on 4 weeks, with no clue as to when their next shipment will come in.

BTW, the gun store was packed with customers this morning. There were at least a half-dozen employees on shift trying to keep up. And this is on a weekday morning; I thought it would be quiet time.

Don't worry, ammo will be available as soon as the new registration and mental health application forms are ready to be picked up. Supply will quickly catch up with demand with the new 50 round monthly ration.

[EE_]

.223 in stock now! Split a case with a friend
http://www.natchezss.com/Ammo.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=FA&prodID=FAAE223BK&prodTitle=Federal American Eagle® - .223 Rem. 55gr FMJ 1000/Box

[Sparky]

Don't worry, ammo will be available as soon as the new registration and mental health application forms are ready to be picked up. Supply will quickly catch up with demand with the new 50 round monthly ration.

Yep, you're probably right. This will be the new invoice:

Base price $17
Registration fee $10
Mental health processing fee $5
Mental health services surcharge $5
Safe America surcharge $5
Affordable Health Care Act fee $5
Ammunition Control Fee $5

TOTAL $52

[chad]

it's really weird, but now every place here has tons of .357, .38, and 9mm. last week you couldn't find any. i can't make any sense of it.

[BrewTech]

it's really weird, but now every place here has tons of .357, .38, and 9mm. last week you couldn't find any. i can't make any sense of it.Don't question, just buy.

[Shami-Amourae]

I went to 2 gun stores today.

First is a chain store in this area. I saw a couple boxes of 22LR and immediately grabbed them, but a store employee stopped me and told me I could only get one box, and pointed me to a small sign about limits on ammo I could get. The paper was pretty strict, and the employee told me that they literally get a new stocks of ammo in daily and have no clue what's coming in the next day. They didn't even have listed prices since they'd get different brands and calibers daily. The employee stealthfully put 4 more boxes of 22LR ammo on the shelf after that, and peoples eyes lit up in the store and they were all gone in less then 30 seconds. There was plenty of 22 Short and a small amount of 22WMR.

So I was looking around more, got some buckshot, bulk 7.62x51, and a lone box of 5.56. Then while I was carry the ammo in a box a random customer grabbed for my 22LR ammo out my box and I was like WTF as I grabbed the ammo box before he could completely lift it out of my box. Then he's like "Do you work here?" I'm like "Ummm no." "Oh." He reminded me of Ponce for some reason.



Anyways, I knew this store had no 9mm, so I went to a small business (second store) I know always has 9mm in stock, and they had tons of 9mm. Like boxes in boxes loads. Their ammo stocks seemed like there was no ammo shortage (though their gun case said a different story.) I asked if they had limits, and they said none. They also had a giant stack of .223 ammo unopened cardboard boxes. I probably saw maybe 10,000 rounds there. So I dunno WTF was going on there. I don't get why that store has so much ammo in stock.

I decided not to get the .223 since frankly I don't have a .223 rifle, and I'm unsure if I should ever get one after this nonsense. I only had so much cash on me...so...


All I know is 22LR are like Mercury Dimes: They may be small and cheap, but damn they are hot.

[Sparky]

it's really weird, but now every place here has tons of .357, .38, and 9mm. last week you couldn't find any. i can't make any sense of it.

Interesting. Note this comment I made in Post #41 of this thread (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?66914-Shit-it-s-about-to-get-MORE-real&p=607507#post607507):

"And even after the final warning (the Sand Hook shooting), it took 1-2 weeks for ammo to dry up. I for one did not adequately take advantage of that, but I only blame myself. The opportunity was there. As with most crash events, I still expect there to be one more rebound opportunity. "

It looks like the rebound opportunity has begun in Wisconsin. I'm looking forward to it in Massachusetts.

[chad]

buy .223 even if you don't have a rifle that fires it. people are paying insane money for it. you can flip it on gun broker for twice what you paid for it almost instantly. people here are openly advertising and willing to pay $1 a round for it. we have none.

[old steel]

Bought a case of Norinco 5.56x45 total 1600 rounds of 55g FMJ for $419.00 with free shipping then they ran out of stock but now it's back for $449.00 still a good deal.

Just talking to other folks who bought and shoot it they said the accuracy level on it is excellent and it is reloadable boxer primed.

[midnight rambler]

it is reloadable boxer primed.

Good luck finding primers.

[horseshoe3]

Bought a case of Norinco 5.56x45 total 1600 rounds of 55g FMJ for $419.00 with free shipping then they ran out of stock but now it's back for $449.00 still a good deal.

Just talking to other folks who bought and shoot it they said the accuracy level on it is excellent and it is reloadable boxer primed.

Link?

[old steel]

Link?

https://www.canadaammo.com/product/detail/379/norinco-223-rem-5-56-ammo-crate-of-1600/

[Tumbleweed]

I was back at the small farm supply store I bought six bricks of .22 lr from a couple of weeks ago. They had six more bricks but they were ten dollars a brick more than the last ones. I thought what the hell again and put them in my cart. they were there and I had the money. I don't know how this is all going to play out but it's a good feeling to have plenty of .22 ammo on hand.

[osoab]

I was back at the small farm supply store I bought six bricks of .22 lr from a couple of weeks ago. They had six more bricks but they were ten dollars a brick more than the last ones. I thought what the hell again and put them in my cart. they were there and I had the money. I don't know how this is all going to play out but it's a good feeling to have plenty of .22 ammo on hand.

It's a good feeling to have all the ammo you have on hand.

[Twisted Titan]

I was back at the small farm supply store I bought six bricks of .22 lr from a couple of weeks ago. They had six more bricks but they were ten dollars a brick more than the last ones. I thought what the hell again and put them in my cart. they were there and I had the money. I don't know how this is all going to play out but it's a good feeling to have plenty of .22 ammo on hand.



Best Quote I ever Read:

Ten Years from now we will look back on this period of time and be laughing our @$$e$ off, Or we'll be too dam busy reloading.

[Tumbleweed]

I also found some once fired 308 brass online a couple of days ago and ordered some. I'll resize and reload it for the 7mm 08 I recently acquired as Dogman suggested. I had been looking for some but hadn't been able to find any. I talked to a lady on the phone when I ordered it. She said her brother had been the winner on some military brass in an auction and they would ship me some when they got it in.

[horseshoe3]

https://www.canadaammo.com/product/detail/379/norinco-223-rem-5-56-ammo-crate-of-1600/


Oh, well.

"AMERICAN FRIENDS: Sorry, we cannot ship this to you. Thank Clinton for that."

[osoab]

The pigs are getting worried too.

Ammo supplies tight for some police agencies (http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x930793183/Ammo-supplies-tight-for-some-police-agencies)

[chad]

i don't even have a .40, but i am tempted to start buying it just to spite them.

[midnight rambler]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_-CKmkN5IW0

[midnight rambler]

i don't even have a .40, but i am tempted to start buying it just to spite them.

So you can deprive someone who actually HAS a .40 S&W from getting ammo??

[chad]

So you can deprive someone who actually HAS a .40 S&W from getting ammo??

no, to deprive cops. i can always resell it to the public.

[Twisted Titan]

The pigs are getting worried too.

Ammo supplies tight for some police agencies (http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x930793183/Ammo-supplies-tight-for-some-police-agencies)


Tell em to put in a supply order to DHS

[Son-of-Liberty]

I think one of the lessons that can be learned from this is to have several guns in uncommon calibers. Either that or stack really deep and maintain it. The common "tactical" calibers like 9mm, 40 S&W, .223, .308 are the ones that are hardest to come by.

In an extended shortage/crisis the guy with a safe full of AR's would be SOL while the farm boy with a 300 savage, 25-06, and 30-30 would at least be able to find ammo for one of those guns.

[Norweger]

No love for the .357?

[Twisted Titan]

I think one of the lessons that can be learned from this is to have several guns in uncommon calibers. Either that or stack really deep and maintain it. The common "tactical" calibers like 9mm, 40 S&W, .223, .308 are the ones that are hardest to come by.

In an extended shortage/crisis the guy with a safe full of AR's would be SOL while the farm boy with a 300 savage, 25-06, and 30-30 would at least be able to find ammo for one of those guns.

I dunno.

The reason why you cant find common cals is because THEY WORK.

I will buy until i cant find or afford but the truth is. if the hammer fell tommarrow i have more the enough for Me

I mean think about it.

I have yet to see a fire fight go 50 rds.

Most time its less then five shots so a box can last you a looooooooong time.

[gunDriller]

No love for the .357?

i like the 357.

i don't understand why the 357 has so much more Velocity & Foot Pounds (Energy) than the 38 special.

the 357 is only about 10% longer.

i figure it must be related to the powder, the 357 must use a powder with a WHOLE LOT more kick. it's not just quantity of gun-powder.

[Son-of-Liberty]

I dunno.

The reason why you cant find common cals is because THEY WORK.

I will buy until i cant find or afford but the truth is. if the hammer fell tommarrow i have more the enough for Me

I mean think about it.

I have yet to see a fire fight go 50 rds.

Most time its less then five shots so a box can last you a looooooooong time.


I think you misunderstood my point. If you have ammo reserves then it isn't a big deal and hopefully you bought when prices were reasonable.

I am not just talking about gun fights either, you have to take into account practice and harvesting game as well.

What I was noting though was that the first ammo to disappear off of shelves and stay hard to find are the calibers that are most common, especially derivatives of military or LE weapons. Normally these calibers are cheap compared to similar sized rounds and have the most availability. If you can find them now you are paying through the nose.

You have people scrambling for 223 and willing to pay a buck a round for FMJ when you can still get hunting ammunition in odd calibers off the shelf at the local store for that price.

Common caliber ammo is hard to find and nothing has even happened yet except talk. If shit goes down good luck getting any. If you are planning on restocking ammo during TSHTF having a few guns in oddball calibers gives you way more options.

[Son-of-Liberty]

i like the 357.

i don't understand why the 357 has so much more Velocity & Foot Pounds (Energy) than the 38 special.

the 357 is only about 10% longer.

i figure it must be related to the powder, the 357 must use a powder with a WHOLE LOT more kick. it's not just quantity of gun-powder.

The 357 is designed for guns that have much stronger chambers and can withstand about double the PSI of the 38 special.

The only reason they made the case longer was so that people wouldn't be able to chamber 357 mag in an old 38 special revolver and blow their hand off.

Because of the stronger chambers in the 357 mag they can load it hotter and get much better performance.

[Norweger]

From my understanding it gets way more velocity out of a rifle. I think i might want a .357 lever action rifle one day.

oh yeah.. a whole lot more than the other more common handgun ammo.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/rifle_handgundata.htm

[osoab]

From my understanding it gets way more velocity out of a rifle. I think i might want a .357 lever action rifle one day.

oh yeah.. a whole lot more than the other more common handgun ammo.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/rifle_handgundata.htm

I love my marlin 1895 lever action in 357. Other than noise, you can barely tell you shot a 357 round.

[Son-of-Liberty]

158 grain gold dot out of the Marlin at 2153 fps is pretty amazing. I wonder if the microgroove barrel has something to do with that?

Almost on par with a 30-30 for firepower and the 30-30 has taken plenty of deer.

[Norweger]

I also have a lot of belief in the newer type necked down pistol cartridges like .22 TCM.. it's kinda obscure still, but it penetrates way better than 9mm.

A necked down cartridge is probably the future for pistols.. just think about how old and how little development we've seen with most ammunition.

http://www.gunblast.com/images/RockIsland-22TCM/DSC06983.JPG

http://www.gunblast.com/RockIsland-22TCM.htm

I'd also love to see a .17HMR semi auto pistol that actually works because it's an underrated cartridge in my opinion.

[chad]

i'd love a .357 lever action for deer hunting. i think it would be a great brush gun where i hunt. been buying a lot of .380 lately myself, just picked up a s&w bodyguard in .380.

[Son-of-Liberty]

What would be nice is a modern pistol like a glock chambered for 7.62x25.

http://youtu.be/FTg-TgEpUm0

[chad]

osoab, you ever hunt with your .357 rifle?

[sirgonzo420]

osoab, you ever hunt with your .357 rifle?

Oh yeah, he's big into the Second Amendment.

[osoab]

osoab, you ever hunt with your .357 rifle?

No, I have not. In Illinois, you cannot hunt with a rifle, except for coyotes and small game.

[Ponce]

Fooling around I made a 1/16 hole in the center of a "X" bullet and then press fitted a 1/4 long of "X" rod that came to a sharp point ......I had a friend test it for me against a "bullet proof vest"...........the vest did stop the bullet but the 1/4 long sharp needle keep on going thrue both sides of the vest........... I don't think that it will good for anythng uless is a heart shot or a head shot.........but of course for a head shot anything will do.

V

[Shami-Amourae]

osoab, you ever hunt with your .357 rifle?
Why not just get a .357 air rifle. Those are legal even in many gun grabber countries. And yes, you can kill deer with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj5Aq7bz-tI

Successful hunt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o0XVa5oyMU

I think you can still buy these unregistered. Something to look into if you ever lose your guns. Considering one myself.

[EE_]

http://www.ammunitionstore.com/categories/rimfire-ammunition/22-lr.html
.22lr, 7.62x39 and .223 not cheap though

[Heimdhal]

I also have a lot of belief in the newer type necked down pistol cartridges like .22 TCM.. it's kinda obscure still, but it penetrates way better than 9mm.

A necked down cartridge is probably the future for pistols.. just think about how old and how little development we've seen with most ammunition.

http://www.gunblast.com/images/RockIsland-22TCM/DSC06983.JPG

http://www.gunblast.com/RockIsland-22TCM.htm

I'd also love to see a .17HMR semi auto pistol that actually works because it's an underrated cartridge in my opinion.

You havent been paying attention very well. THere have been MAJOR advances in ammunition, particularly in the terminal ballistics/leathality. Penetration in pistols had made leaps with calibers like the 5.7, but armor penetration is NOT the first concern of pistos ammunition.

None the less, there have been, and currently are, hundreds of necked down pistol cartridges since pistols accept cartridges. The russian have a fantastic one, that up until rounds like 5.7, were leaders in armor pentration. Its the 7.62X25 Tokarev. Been in service since WWII and still fairly available.

More modern loadings that fit are the .357 sig, which is a very hot, magnum loading in a necked down case for semi autos. Great round. Other good rounds that dont get much attention are good advancments, like the .45 GAP. Way underrated, but simply because it wasnt/isnt a necessity in the pistol world, even if it has been a postive performer.

Remember always: Rifles are Rifles, Pistols are Pistols.

[midnight rambler]

I know where there's likely to be some cases of Golden Tiger 7.62x39 sometime Mon-Wed of next week, will post when it's confirmed. Be ready.

[mick silver]

22lr are the new gold

[JDRock]

i like the 357.

i don't understand why the 357 has so much more Velocity & Foot Pounds (Energy) than the 38 special.

the 357 is only about 10% longer.

i figure it must be related to the powder, the 357 must use a powder with a WHOLE LOT more kick. it's not just quantity of gun-powder.
the .38 is and old old caliber and ,so there are old guns in circulation that accept that round. The factory MUST for liability reasons load it for the weakest guns out there. That said they DO have +p and ++p ammunition in factory loads and these are substantially hotter.

[mick silver]

went tp walmart this morning they guy there was putting out ammo . i did get 4000 rounds of 22lr . as i was checking out a guy wanted to give me 25 bucks over what i payed per box .

[Half Sense]

There was a good variety of .22 lr at the gun show today. Highest price I saw was $75 for a brick of 550. I picked up a 500 brick of Colibri and Super Colibri for $39 each. Picked up several boxes of "Lawman" (Speer) .38 Special for $20/50. Always lots of .22 magnum available for $15 - $18/50.

And...there WAS a shortage on ammo cans. Only one seller, they were $15 each, and he only had a few.

[Tumbleweed]

I was back at the farm supply store where I've recently purchased twelve bricks of .22lr. I was thinking there would probably be six more bricks waiting for me but the cupbord was bare. Damn! The only .22 cal. ammo they had was birdshot. A few boxes of large rifle cartridges and some shotgun shells but that was all.

[willie pete]

the last time I strolled past the ammo counter at walmartian's it was Bare, and it's been that way for sometime now, I don't think they're ordering it

[7th trump]

Just picked up 2 20rds boxes of .223 over at Dunhams today.
They only received 4 boxes and 2 were left.......................not anymore.

They even had two 30rd AK clips sitting in the shelf for $25.00 each.

[midnight rambler]

I know where there's likely to be some cases of Golden Tiger 7.62x39 sometime Mon-Wed of next week, will post when it's confirmed. Be ready.

http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammunition/762x39 - better hurry, I just noticed it on there and it's gone from 101 to 61 available in 10 minutes.

ETA: all gone eight minutes after I initially posted this.

[Dick_Stabber]

http://ammoseek.com/

I have some luck with ammoseek. Just have to check often.:mad:

[osoab]

At a small gun show yesterday. 308 - 1-1.25/rnd, 556 - .75-1/rnd, 7.62x39 - .40-.48/rnd. Ar's 1800-2800, Ar mags 45-60, AK's 1200-1500, AK mags 40, Glock mags 45-60, 22lr .10-.12/rnd (not much good stuff either), 50 cal ammo cans for 18, the bigger ones were better buys at that price.

It was asses to elbows. Didn't see a lot flying off the shelf, a lot of gawkers. A lot of bullshit stuff too. Saw one guy with some silver dollars, didn't ask the price. Picked up some .40 Ranger T for 30 a box.

[osoab]

No bids on this auction and 4 days left, but I just bought the same thing for 40+tax yesterday from a store. Picked up some mini-mags for 10 each too.

500 rd rounds Aguila 22 LR Super Colibri *Quiet* (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=329178442) $99.99 4d 23h +

[midnight rambler]

Talked to the owner of the largest family owned gunstore in these parts and asked him, "How's the ammo situation looking?" He replied, "It's not bleak, it's trickling in. It's been allocated, say for instance a distributor gets in 200 cases and they have 20 salesmen - each of those salesmen gets to 10 cases to make available to their customers." They did have Magtech .308 (limit one box of 50 at $44.50), PMC Bronze 7.62x39 (19.95/box) and some Tula 7.62x39 (didn't bother to check, don't like Tula) with everything being limited to two boxes per customer. Pistol calibers were available.

On another front, people are lining up at Academy locations starting at 1 AM in the morning just to have a 20% of scoring a single box of ammo (trucks delivering ammo at least once a week, but they never know what they have until they unload the truck). So as the guy working in the sporting dept. at Academy told me, "They are sitting out there every (weekday) morning forming a line beginning at 1 AM. By 6 AM we've unloaded the truck so we know what we've got on hand. As a courtesy we go outside (at 6 AM, three hours before Academy opens) and inform them what's arrived. They've even formed a network where they have other folks sitting outside other Academy locations and they share info as to what's come in on the truck at each location. All for a *20% chance* of getting a single box of ammo."

[midnight rambler]

sgammo.com has been reduced to limiting purchases of 7.62x39 to only 200 rounds per customer (although they show a photo of a pallet with 60,000 rounds) -

http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammunition/762x39

[osoab]

sgammo.com has been reduced to limiting purchases of 7.62x39 to only 200 rounds per customer (although they show a photo of a pallet with 60,000 rounds) -

http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammunition/762x39

and its gone

[Heimdhal]

Jesus, I was literaly JUST about the bite the bullet and buy some. I knew I hesitated too long. Price wasnt that good though, .30 cents before shipping. Still.... its been a LOT worse.....

[midnight rambler]

Jesus, I was literaly JUST about the bite the bullet and buy some. I knew I hesitated too long. Price wasnt that good though, .30 cents before shipping. Still.... its been a LOT worse.....

Widener's has some Wolf x39 for $359.00 plus shipping.

The case of 1,000 of GT x39 I got from SGammo last week was 249.00 plus shipping.

[osoab]

Jesus, I was literaly JUST about the bite the bullet and buy some. I knew I hesitated too long. Price wasnt that good though, .30 cents before shipping. Still.... its been a LOT worse.....


Shipping at .40 cents/rnd is still cheaper than gun shows.

[midnight rambler]

and its gone

When I first caught it at about 4pm it showed 98 'lots of 200' available. I'm thinking with a pallet of 60k rounds they may be doling it out at different times of the day to give other customers a chance (I've noticed them doing this before) so if you're interested you may want to check back.

Also, when they say 'limit 1' I've turned right back around immediately and ordered another case w/ np, however I'm not going to pay $12 shipping on only 200 rounds.

[osoab]

When I first caught it at about 4pm it showed 98 'lots of 200' available. I'm thinking with a pallet of 60k rounds they may be doling it out at different times of the day to give other customers a chance (I've noticed them doing this before) so if you're interested you may want to check back.

Also, when they say 'limit 1' I've turned right back around immediately and ordered another case w/ np, however I'm not going to pay $12 shipping on only 200 rounds.

My biggest problem is checking in on ammo sites to see if anything is in stock. I normally forget to check first thing in the morning.

Heading to another gun show this weekend, I'll see if I can buy a bit there. Cash-n-carry is what I like.

[Heimdhal]

Shipping at .40 cents/rnd is still cheaper than gun shows.

You're right. for me personally, i dont NEED the ammo, it would just be nice to have since we have a bi annual shoot coming up next month. I figured I'd grab some extra, but again, there wasnt a NEED so i hesitated at .40 a round. I finaly thought "aw heck, it wont be any cheaper in the nex tmonth" and boom, sold out.

Im working a gun show this weekend, we'll see what it holds. My hopes arent high.

[osoab]

You're right. for me personally, i dont NEED the ammo, it would just be nice to have since we have a bi annual shoot coming up next month. I figured I'd grab some extra, but again, there wasnt a NEED so i hesitated at .40 a round. I finaly thought "aw heck, it wont be any cheaper in the nex tmonth" and boom, sold out.

Im working a gun show this weekend, we'll see what it holds. My hopes arent high.


I am guessing you will be there before the doors open. If so, I am sure you will be able to swing a deal.

[Heimdhal]

I am guessing you will be there before the doors open. If so, I am sure you will be able to swing a deal.

Eh, this show is a bad show for "deals". There is rarley a deal to be had even in the non panic times. I know a few people I'll be checking with during Friday set up and Saturday morning pre-show, but I am NOT expecting there to be much of any type deal from reports Im getting from other shows around the state latley :(

[EE_]

You're right. for me personally, i dont NEED the ammo, it would just be nice to have since we have a bi annual shoot coming up next month. I figured I'd grab some extra, but again, there wasnt a NEED so i hesitated at .40 a round. I finaly thought "aw heck, it wont be any cheaper in the nex tmonth" and boom, sold out.

Im working a gun show this weekend, we'll see what it holds. My hopes arent high.

Have you been expanding your wares at these shows? With all the new gun owners, there must be a lot of needs. Cleaning supplies, oil, tactical vests, targets, etc?

[midnight rambler]

SGammo makes more 'lots of 200' 7.62x39 GT available, 46 available atm -

http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammunition/762x39


(http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammunition/762x39)

[midnight rambler]

SGammo makes more 'lots of 200' 7.62x39 GT available, 46 available atm -

http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammunition/762x39


(http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammunition/762x39)

By the time I finished posting the above post it was down to 42 available. lol

[Heimdhal]

Have you been expanding your wares at these shows? With all the new gun owners, there must be a lot of needs. Cleaning supplies, oil, tactical vests, targets, etc?

Nah, Im busy enough as it is with the holsters. I wouldnt mind having some other stuff on the table though. ;)