High Ranking US Major General Exposes September 11 High

[PatColo]

it appears reply 499 ^^ contains Pattern of Projection Girl'shttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 dreaded kryptonite...:o:D:o;D:o

[joboo]

it appears reply 499 ^^ contains Pattern of Projection Girl'shttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 dreaded kryptonite...:o:D:o;D:o

I already answered it a few times.

You seem to keep wanting to project that on me...haha.

I agree with Richard Gage across the board, top to bottom, inside and out, upside down, and backwards.

You better get working on that big nose, bagel eating, beanie wearing, joo jitsu rabbi pic of Richard Gage Pat. I'm sensing your logic circuits are in dire need of a coolant top up.

[PatColo]

from Was America Attacked By Scary Moozlems On 9/11? (http://davidraygriffin.com/articles/was-america-attacked-by-muslims-on-911/):

[...]
9. Did DNA Tests Identify Five Hijackers among the Victims at the Pentagon?


Another type of evidence that the alleged hijackers were really on the planes could have been provided by autopsies. But no such evidence has been forthcoming. In its book defending the official account of 9/11, to be sure, Popular Mechanics claims that, according to a report on the victims of the Pentagon attack by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology: “The five hijackers were positively identified.”92 But this claim is false.


According to a summary of this pathology report by Andrew Baker, M.D., the remains of 183 victims were subjected to DNA analysis, which resulted in “178 positive identifications.” Although Baker says that “[s]ome remains for each of the terrorists were recovered,” this was merely an inference from the fact that there were “five unique postmortem profiles that did not match any antemortem material provided by victims’ families.”93


A Washington Post story made even clearer the fact that this conclusion—that the unmatched remains were those of “the five hijackers”—was merely an inference. It wrote: “The remains of the five hijackers have been identified through a process of exclusion, as they did not match DNA samples contributed by family members of all 183 victims who died at the site” (emphasis added).94 All the report said, in other words, was that there were five bodies whose DNA did not match that of any of the known Pentagon victims or any of the regular passengers or crew members on Flight 77.


We have no way of knowing where these five bodies came from. For the claim that they came from the attack site at the Pentagon, we have only the word of the FBI and the military, which insisted on taking charge of the bodies of everyone killed at the Pentagon and transporting them to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.95


In any case, the alleged hijackers could have been positively identified only if samples had been obtained from their relatives, and there is no indication that this occurred. Indeed, one can wonder why not. The FBI had lots of information about the men identified as the hijackers. They could easily have located relatives. And these relatives, most of whom reportedly did not believe that their own flesh and blood had been involved in the attacks, would have surely been willing to supply the needed DNA. Indeed, a story about Ziad Jarrah, the alleged pilot of Flight 93, said: “Jarrah’s family has indicated they would be willing to provide DNA samples to US researchers, . . . [but] the FBI has shown no interest thus far.”96


The lack of positive identification of the alleged hijackers is consistent with the autopsy report, which was released to Dr. Thomas Olmsted, who had made a FOIA request for it. Like the flight manifest for Flight 77, he revealed, this report also contains no Arab names.97
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92. David Dunbar and Brad Reagan, eds., Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can’t Stand Up to the Facts (New York: Hearst Books, 2006), 63.
93. Andrew M. Baker, M.D., “Human Identification in a Post-9/11 World: Attack on American Airlines Flight 77 and the Pentagon Identification and Pathology” (http://www.ndms.chepinc.org/presentations/2005/266.pdf).
94. Steve Vogel, “Remains Unidentified for 5 Pentagon Victims,” Washington Post, 21 November 2001 (http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/pentagon-unidentified.htm).
95. See my discussion in Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory, revised & updated edition (Northampton: Olive Branch, 2007), 268-69.
96. “Ziad Jarrah,” Wikipedia, as the article existed prior to September 8, 2006. On that date, that passage was removed. However, the earlier version of the article, containing the passage, is available at http://www.wanttoknow.info/articles/ziad_jarrah.
97. Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D. “Still No Arabs on Flight 77,” Rense.com, 23 June 2003 (http://www.rense.com/general38/77.htm).
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[PatColo]

also from Was America Attacked By Scary Moozlems On 9/11? (http://davidraygriffin.com/articles/was-america-attacked-by-muslims-on-911/):


13. Could Hani Hanjour Have Flown Flight 77 into the Pentagon?


The inability of al-Qaeda to have carried out the operation can be illustrated in terms of Hani Hanjour, the al-Qaeda operative said to have flown Flight 77 into the Pentagon.


On September 12, before it was stated that Hanjour had been the pilot of American 77, the final minutes of this plane’s trajectory had been described as one requiring great skill. A Washington Post story said:



[J]ust as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver. . . . Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm.111



But Hani Hanjour was not that. Indeed, a CBS story reported, an Arizona flight school said that Hanjour’s “flying skills were so bad . . . they didn’t think he should keep his pilot’s license.” The manager stated: “I couldn’t believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had.”112 A New York Times story, entitled “A Trainee Noted for Incompetence,” quoted one of his instructors as saying that Hanjour “could not fly at all.”113


The 9/11 Commission even admitted that in the summer of 2001, just months before 9/11, a flight instructor in New Jersey, after going up with Hanjour in a small plane, “declined a second request because of what he considered Hanjour’s poor piloting skills.”114 The Commission failed to address the question of how Hanjour, incapable of flying a single-engine plane, could have flown a giant 757 through the trajectory reportedly taken by Flight 77: descending 8,000 feet in three minutes and then coming in at ground level to strike Wedge 1 of the Pentagon between the first and second floors, without even scraping the lawn.


Several pilots have said this would have been impossible. Russ Wittenberg, who flew large commercial airliners for 35 years after serving as a fighter pilot in Vietnam, says it would have been “totally impossible for an amateur who couldn’t even fly a Cessna” to fly that downward spiral and then “crash into the Pentagon’s first floor wall without touching the lawn.”115 Ralph Omholt, a former 757 pilot, has bluntly said: “The idea that an unskilled pilot could have flown this trajectory is simply too ridiculous to consider.”116 Ralph Kolstad, who was a US Navy “top gun” pilot before becoming a commercial airline pilot for 27 years, has said: “I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757′s and 767′s and I could not have flown it the way the flight path was described. . . . Something stinks to high heaven!”117


The authors of the Popular Mechanics book about 9/11 offered to solve this problem. While acknowledging that Hanjour “may not have been highly skilled,” they said that he did not need to be, because all he had to do was, using a GPS unit, put his plane on autopilot.118 “He steered the plane manually for only the final eight minutes of the flight,” they state triumphantly119—ignoring the fact that it was precisely during those minutes that Hanjour had allegedly performed the impossible.


14. Would an al-Qaeda Pilot Have Executed that Maneuver?


A further question is: Even if one of the al-Qaeda operatives on that flight could have executed that maneuver, would he have done so? This question arises out of the fact that the plane could easily have crashed into the roof on the side of the Pentagon that housed Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and all the top brass. The difficult maneuver would have been required only by the decision to strike Wedge 1 on the side.


But this was the worst possible place, given the assumed motives of the al-Qaeda operatives: They would have wanted to kill Rumsfeld and the top brass, but Wedge 1 was as far removed from their offices as possible. They would have wanted to cause as much destruction as possible, but Wedge 1—and only it—had been renovated to make it less vulnerable to attack. Al-Qaeda operatives would have wanted to kill as many Pentagon employees as possible, but because the renovation was not quite complete, Wedge 1 was only sparsely occupied. The attack also occurred on the only part of the Pentagon that would have presented physical obstacles to an attacking airplane. All of these facts were public knowledge. So even if an al-Qaeda pilot had been capable of executing the maneuver to strike the ground floor of Wedge 1, he would not have done so.

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111. Marc Fisher and Don Phillips, “On Flight 77: ‘Our Plane Is Being Hijacked,’” Washington Post, 12 September 2001 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A14365-2001Sep11).
112. “FAA Was Alerted To Sept. 11 Hijacker,” CBS News, 10 May 2002 (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/10/attack/main508656.shtml).
113. Jim Yardley, “A Trainee Noted for Incompetence,” New York Times, 4 May 2002 (http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=9-11/suspects/flying-skills/pilot-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.txt).
114. 9/11CR 242.
115. Greg Szymanski, “Former Vietnam Combat and Commercial Pilot Firm Believer 9/11 Was Inside Government Job,” Arctic Beacon, 17 July 2005 (http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/articles/article/1518131/29392.htm).
116. Email from Ralph Omholt, 27 October 2006.
117. Alan Miller, “U.S. Navy ‘Top Gun’ Pilot Questions 911 Pentagon Story,” OpedNews.com, 5 September 2007 (http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_070905_u_s__navy__top_gun__.htm).
118. Dunbar and Reagan, eds., Debunking 9/11 Myths, 6.
119. Ibid.

[joboo]

What was my "crime" thus far?

I doubted the the magic missile.

I took the exact same position Richard Gage did, yet some want to burn me alive at the stake.

Who is on what side? Good question. I'm beginning to wonder.

[Horn]

I agree with Richard Gage across the board, top to bottom, inside and out, upside down, and backwards.

Gage concedes his entry into 9/11 Pentagon ‘quagmire’ has been divisive


While Gage never responded to the letter, he did freely discuss the subject of CIT in our interview. Here’s part of the exchange Gage and I had about the Pentagon:
CM: If you listen to the witnesses, the two things (impact and north of Citgo flight path) are completely incompatible. The witnesses say the plane flew on the north side of the gas station and they say the plane hit the building. Hasn’t that been ruled out?
RG: “I don’t know. Can you explain that to me?”
CM: Because had it been on the north side of the gas station it could not have knocked the light poles over.
RG: “Right. I agree.”
CM: Which means that the light poles had to have been staged. And I believe Pilots for 9/11 Truth has done a study in terms of G forces to indicate that there’s no way the plane could have been on the north side and then banked…
RG: “Well they said they saw it bank, the witnesses.”
CM: Yes, they said they saw it bank to the right. But that doesn’t help the [impact] theory. It doesn’t help it because they’re still missing the light poles (the official story has a straight south of Citgo approach, no banking). So if the plane really hit the building, why would you stage knocked-over light poles? What would be the purpose of that exactly, if you’re planning to fly the plane into the building? That certainly supports the idea of the illusion, doesn’t it?
RG: “Right. Ya. There’s a lot to be resolved there. I actually don’t have an opinion on whether the plane flew over the building or went into it. That’s not part of my statement. But I do believe there was a plane. These witnesses saw a plane, that’s an important distinction and also a disruptive set of elements in the 9/11 Truth movement. Most people in the 9/11 Truth movement think there was a plane.”
CM: Absolutely, including David Ray Griffin.
RG: “Didn’t he at some point support CIT as well?”
CM: As far as I know he still does.
RG: “And he believes there was some kind of plane present.”
CM: He believes there was a plane, he just doesn’t think it hit the building.
Gage admits he broke a promise to CIT’s Craig Ranke when he released his withdrawal of support:
CM: I spoke to Craig Ranke in Toronto in September and he mentioned that you had made a commitment to him that before ever withdrawing your endorsement you would talk to him first.
RG: “That’s probably accurate.”
CM: What was the reason you didn’t?
RG: “I didn’t want to go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth, because both sides of this argument are very convincing and very difficult, and I needed to be done with the issue and get off the fence.
“I’m not interested in pursuing the points any further because I’m already behind in the work that I’m doing and I need to focus on that. But if there’s some kind of information that proves something I might be inclined – probably not, though – if it draws the 9/11 Truth movement together instead of splitting it apart then I’d be … I’m a servant of the 9/11 Truth movement, ultimately.”

http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/gage-concedes-his-entry-into-911-pentagon-quagmire-has-been-divisive/

[PatColo]

[...]
That's why I reckon Pattern of Projection Girl http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?66573-Come-to-Jesus-time-What-do-we-do-with-Jooboo&p=612538&viewfull=1#post612538) remains so deafeningly silent wrt offering her "educated speculation" on the critical question:

Was America Attacked By Scary Moozlems On 9/11? (http://davidraygriffin.com/articles/was-america-attacked-by-muslims-on-911/) ???
[...]I already answered it a few times.

Links? ???

you know, like for example, "#224 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?67136-High-Ranking-US-Major-General-Exposes-September-11-High&p=610135&viewfull=1#post610135)" ;)

[PatColo]

^ while we all eagerly await Pattern of Projection Girl'shttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 links to her past posts indicating her expert researchhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 based speculation on the "Was America Attacked By Scary Moozlems On 9/11? (http://davidraygriffin.com/articles/was-america-attacked-by-muslims-on-911/)" question; this old thread she started may give us some preview. It's got 3 replies, 2 of them mine:

Thread: CIA Threatens 9/11 Researchers After Discovery Of Cover Up Details (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?54151-CIA-Threatens-9-11-Researchers-After-Discovery-Of-Cover-Up-Details)


You still a "9/11: Press For Kosher-Truthhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018" fangirl, joobohttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018??


These are false flag leak/scandals.

"9/11 Press For Truth" was a production of the controlled, Limited Hangout LIHOP element who masquerade as 911 "truthers". The first half of the film is good, showing the evidence of a 911 cover up, the families' struggle to get an "investigation" etc; but then the 2nd half is all about "the hunt for bin Goldstein", all the intelligence failures, yada yada-- the film is designed to hook viewers with some emotion-tugging red meat, then to lead them astray by enshrining the fraudulent myth that bin Goldstein and the Scary Moozlemist Box Cutter Wielders really did 911 (http://davidraygriffin.com/articles/was-america-attacked-by-muslims-on-911/) -- overall the film is gefelte fish smelling limited hangout propaganda, designed to draw in truth seekers but keep the core lie of 911 - whodunit? (http://rediscover911.com/) - in place.

This false flag scandal is designed to give 911 PFT some renewed cred... "oooh, 911 PFT must contain really scandalous revelations!!!... we should all watch it carefully..." pfff. BTW I haven't watched the OP video yet, that's just a snap impression based on the fact that 911 PFT is the focus - PFT's producers and the CIA are all on the same team (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?23047-The-Zionist-Elephant-In-The-Room)... ;)

and she also started this thread, promoting fake-truther Susan Lindauerhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018:
Thread: Susan Lindaur Breaks Her 10-Year Silence about 9/11 & Iraq (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57336-Susan-Lindaur-Breaks-Her-10-Year-Silence-about-9-11-amp-Iraq)

whom I debunked here: #4 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?53914-Susan-Lindauer-9-11-whistleblower&p=455915&viewfull=1#post455915)


[...]
Indeed, Kevin Barrett explicitly proposed to Lindauer that there were no Arab hijackers, that 911 was mossad/zionist top to bottom, and Lindauer responded, “I think that you are– I do believe in the hijackings, but I believe in everything else that you have just said.” — HUH?!? What the heck does that mean? Here’s a partial transcript of that Barrett/Lindauer interview, check it out to get the full context: http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2011...s-whistle.html (http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2011/01/cia-asset-susan-lindauer-blows-whistle.html)
[...]

[joboo]

Richard Gage: "I needed to separate myself from nutty conspiracy angles, it was poison pulling me down, pulling my work down, pulling everyone down"

Amen...

[joboo]

LOL @ Pat...no... Pat it wasn't scaary mooozlems.

Now you can go back to looking @ gay pics of dudes on the internet for your next, out of context, character attack, science fair mural post.

Make sure to get something extra racist this time. ;)

[Horn]

Pat...Richard Gage wont touch the missiletard angle with a 10 foot pole. He thinks it was an airplane, and that most other 9II skeptics do as well.

Why don't you make one of your science fair murals up for him?

Now you're just plain lying.

I just posted what he thinks above, he thought there was room enough for argument, and is leaving it well enough alone.

he also admitted that he handled himself like a complete idiot.

Now you are putting words in his mouth, destroying his credibility, along with truth movement even further.

[PatColo]

"The eternally persecuted joobohttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 cries out in pain:



What was my "crime" thus far?

I doubted the the magic missile.

I took the exact same position Richard Gage did, yet some want to burn me alive in the NAZI OVEN:o at the stake.


... as she strikes us",



Schizoid x 1000/deep into moonbat territory/couple loose screws running around/medicated/paranoid/delusional/degenerative memory condition/seriously batshit crazy mofos/idiotic/childish/retarded/cult based/crackpot/faith based religious types/wierded out/scarred intellectually/Crazy/insane/ultra ridiculous/lunatic nonsensical truthers/victims of Loose Change/programmed/lying/idiots/fed disinfo/bordering on insanity/bunch of tinfoil loons/pathetic/in shock out of our heads/disinfo agents/racist/bigoted/anti-Semitic/a bit scary/head goes to some strange places/altered version of reality/mean old top secret undercover joo/ultimate undercover crypto joo/kicked out of his parents basement/throwing a fit/a top secret sleeper cell/racist pro hate agenda/mountain dew kinda guy/Jolt cola fanatic/secret undercover operative/unhealthy paranoia/same strawman nonsense/Paper thin skin wearing a set of glass slippers/can't handle a lick of criticism/Kosher bagel tossing rabbi Jew/No level of paranoia, suspicion, or rabbit hole is ever deep enough/totally wigged out into frenzy/quite possibly intentional, and with purpose/point where a level of hatred can supersede everything/yada/yada/yadahttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018


are you an adherent of Holocaustianity (http://vho.org/Intro/GB/Brochure.pdf)™ too, joobo? Sort of like how your Boeing-hit-Pentagon cult works?

Is the over-hyped "Holocaust" a mere Jewish projection of Zionist-perpetrated crimes against humanity onto their Gentile victims? (http://www.judeofascism.com/2011/09/is-over-hyped-holocaust-mere-jewish.html)

[PatColo]

no... Pat it wasn't scaary mooozlems.

given that you now appear to be discreetly tiptoeing away ^ from your prior "I already answered it a few times" claim (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?67136-High-Ranking-US-Major-General-Exposes-September-11-High&p=613058&viewfull=1#post613058); I guess it follows that you'd be unable to provide links to GSUS posts which don't exist, eh? Duly noted. ;)

So that leaves us with your new, vague claim above to work with; at odds with your prior postings on 911 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?67136-High-Ranking-US-Major-General-Exposes-September-11-High&p=613065&viewfull=1#post613065), though it is.

Must request clarification:

WHAT wasn't scary moozlems?? Pentagon only, or WTC too? and Penn?

WHO does your years of expert sane/logical 911 researchhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 indicate was most likely piloting that big Boeing airliner which you proselytize so dogmatically really did fly into the Pentagon, if indeed "it wasn't scaary mooozlems" ???

[PatColo]

Richard Gage: "I needed to separate myself from nutty conspiracy angles, it was poison pulling me down, pulling my work down, pulling everyone down"

Amen...

your last dozen/whatever replies banging the 'what Gage thinks of the Pentagon question' drum, and making unlikely sounding characterizations of same, have all been conspicuously lacking any source links.

So given that you posted the above alleged, unlikely sounding Gage "quote" in double quotation marks, I goog'd it:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22I+needed+to+separate+myself+from+nutty +conspiracy+angles,+it+was+poison+pulling+me+down, +pulling+my+work+down,+pulling+everyone+down%22+ga ge

and that ^ returns exactly one result: your post above:D.....

Sorry Charlene>:(, but we need source links a bit more uuuum, credible than "Pattern of Projection Girl http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 says so"....

please advise, \uu\

[JDRock]

The bitch slapping continues! ! halo desperately seeking to divert- delay -deny - the inevitable..the worn dog eared adl playbook at his side ...worn from trying to find an antidote for TRUTH....sarcasm isnt working! denial isnt working ! mis direction inst working either! what to do???

[Santa]

WHO does your years of expert sane/logical research indicate was most likely piloting that big Boeing airliner which you proselytize so dogmatically really did fly into the Pentagon, if indeed "it wasn't scaary mooozlems"

This is worth a bump.


I just posted what he(Richard Gage) thinks above, he thought there was room enough for argument,

This too.

[Horn]

So given that you posted the above alleged, unlikely sounding Gage "quote" in double quotation marks, I goog'd it:

and that ^ returns exactly one result: your post above:D.....

Is this not some form of slanderous injunction?

I like to post at the forum, but not with criminals.

[Serpo]

http://i.imgur.com/zVXCref.jpg
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.5061392180839801&pid=15.1&H=159&W=160 (http://www.aquarelart.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/owl-symbol-mexico2-e1304929487480.jpg)
https://lh3.ggpht.com/-Rh2ACqsUobI/Tdntb3gwFHI/AAAAAAAABI0/BrgRcr-L7DE/s400/1305587722-53.jpeg


So Im an owl now.........what a hoot


What is "po" in tagalog?




Best Answer - Chosen by Voters

The word 'po' does not really have a definitive meaning in the Tagalog Language, but its nearest equivalent in English is 'sir' or 'ma'am'.

It is basically a word of respect, which you attach to your sentence when speaking to an older person, someone in authority over you, or even your clients.

[joboo]

Keep on the with the magic missile theory. The amount of invisible acrobatics required to fake it all is ludicrous.

The rest of the truth movement looking to make real progress will stay far away from that BS.

David Icke Lizard territory.

Gage made some comments to soothe the nerves of some of the missile radicals.

At the end of the day you still can't get around the fact that they could have easily just used the damn airplane instead of some ridiculous ultra undercover elaborately complicated getup.

Gage's actions speak a lot louder than his words. He wants nothing to do with it anymore, and I can see why.

[Serpo]

Keep on the with the magic missile theory. The amount of invisible acrobatics required to fake it all is ludicrous.

The rest of the truth movement looking to make real progress will stay far away from that BS.

David Icke Lizard territory.


http://www.thelibertypapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/fatho.jpg

[joboo]

True to form... confirms my observations.

The clan of ultra conspiracy, no rabbit hole is ever deep enough, immediately believe the ultra conspiracy angle first, then maybe try to figure it out later as long as it still a deep conspiracy, and maintains the comfort zone.

[Horn]

True to form... confirms my observations.

The clan of ultra conspiracy, no rabbit hole is ever deep enough, immediately believe the ultra conspiracy angle first, then maybe try to figure it out later as long as it still a deep conspiracy, and maintains the comfort zone.

What of the dancing Islamic Israeli's armed with boxcutters taking control of four jetliners, previously planting thermite in undisclosed locations throughout new york?

Shouldn't a nuclear sub takeover been more "easier" to coordinate?

Facts are facts, jetliners can not fly the course, and the target could only be guaranteed with a missile. The Pentagon's accounting office was the main target that day.

[joboo]

What of the dancing Islamic Israeli's armed with boxcutters taking control of four jetliners, previously planting thermite in undisclosed locations throughout new york?

Shouldn't a nuclear sub takeover been more "easier" to coordinate?

Lots of things would have been easier, but pressing a button on an airplane to roll out a host of new security protocols all over the place was the plan. They even got rid of some construction costs at the same time.

They had them all up in the air at their disposal, and they used them. This much is 100% proven and widely acknowledged. Funny thing is some still deny even that.

Press a button, Done. That's exactly what they did, so why change one part of the plan when it wasn't even necessary?

To make it out as though they were invisible running around all over the place undetected during rush hour, planting hamburger chunks of people, and fake debris...it's so far out there if falls over the edge.

[Horn]

Press a button, Done. That's exactly what they did, so why change one part of the plan when it wasn't even necessary?


Because it is an impossible flight path, with near -0% success rate.

How many times has this been repeated yet you refuse to comprehend,

and go on to discredit others statements who you don't even know through slanderous verbiage.

[joboo]

Because it is an impossible flight path, with near -0% success rate.

How many times has this been repeated yet you refuse to comprehend,

and go on to discredit others statements who you don't even know through slanderous verbiage.

So where did the plane go, and how did all the passengers turn up as hamburger in the building?

I haven't heard anyone try to explain that part yet.

[Horn]

So where did the plane go, and how did all the passengers turn up as hamburger in the building?

I haven't heard anyone try to explain that part yet.

Some said it flew on by, were you in the building making patties that day?

Would it have been more appropriate for the 2.3T missing to turn up missing the day after the "attacks"?

[joboo]

Some said it flew on by, were you in the building making patties that day?

Would it have been more appropriate for the 2.3T missing to turn up missing the day after the "attacks"?

And a bunch of people said it hit the building like the flight recorder shows. So if the flight recorder data is all fake, then how is the flight path impossible if all the data is a fabrication? Right?

So what about passengers?

So they flew past it, and landed the plane where?...then hauled everyone off, convincingly ground them up at a level to bear forensic analysis, then drove it all back at warp speed, and scattered it everywhere with all that commotion going on without anyone noticing anything? In a burning building mind you.

Who in their right mind would even consider that as a legitimate course of action, and hope to get away with it...even if they did have some kind of mass memory erasing device?

See what I mean?

Haven't you thought about this yourself already when considering everything?

[Horn]

Haven't you thought about this yourself already when considering everything?

Its been explained a number of times that many people died that day.

Even Pat Colo has explained how 11 Saud's DNA was matched up through improper process of elimination.

All other evidence is inconsequential to the impossible flight path and subject to tampering.

Just as it is impossible for modern steel buildings to fall many hours after impact straight onto their footprint from residual fires.

[joboo]

Its been explained a number of times that many people died that day.

Even Pat Colo has explained how 11 Saud's DNA was matched up through improper process of elimination.

All other evidence is inconsequential to the impossible flight path and subject to tampering.

Just as it is impossible for modern steel buildings to fall many hours after impact straight onto their footprint from residual fires.

Go through the logic.

If the flight recorder shows the plane stopped there, but it didn't, then the flight recorder data is a fabrication. There is no impossible flight path data that you should be believing, it's all fabricated.

This is what I was talking about earlier with cherry picking information.

So what's up with the passengers then. Were they ever on the plane to begin with? Was it empty?

Did they fly an empty plane right over top? What would be the purpose of doing that?

Then you have all these alive people rounded up somewhere, and you have to make it look like they were in a 500mph collision at a forensic level, and get them onsite undetected.

Does that make any sense as a legitimate plan over simply pressing a button?

[Horn]

If the flight recorder shows the plane stopped there,,,

...Does that make any sense as a legitimate plan over simply pressing a button?

Yes, because it is illogical to conclude that you could achieve the high priority target with a Boeing 757.

Stopped at 460ft above sea level.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uPN3XNTdv8

[joboo]

Yes, because it is illogical to conclude that you could achieve the high priority target with a Boeing 757.

Stopped at 460ft above sea level.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uPN3XNTdv8

Dude, you're missing the most fundamental concept here. This is what kills me with this whole missile angle, and people still refuse to think about it.

What happened to the plane?? Where did it go?

The flight recorder data shows the plane stopped there...but you're saying it flew away somewhere else.

Ok, well... then flight data is fake.

The flight recorder data is total BS if that's what happened.

Full stop.

Why do you keep using it like it's the truth, it's if it's not, according to your own logic?

You keep tripping up on the most fundamental logistical concept here over, and over again.

[Horn]

Why do you keep using it like it's the truth,

Now you're practicing your jewjitsu witchcraft again, Obiwan.

The only truth you need is a Boeing turning to zero pitch from 15degrees within the space of its own wingspan.

Unfortunately that truth can only be created in your fantasy, as it is impossible in our real world.

[joboo]

Now you're practicing your jewjitsu witchcraft again, Obiwan.

The only truth you need is a Boeing turning to zero pitch from 15degrees within the space of its own wingspan.

Unfortunately that truth can only be created in your fantasy, as it is impossible in our real world.

It has nothing to do with anything but pure common sense.

The flight data shows the plane stopped there, but you're saying it didn't because it's impossible...it flew right over top away somewhere else.

Ok, then the flight data has to fabricated. It's a lie then. This is what you yourself are saying with your own words.

So if it's a lie, then why are you cherry picking parts of a lie, and claiming it to be the truth?

[Horn]

So if it's a lie, then why are you cherry picking the parts of a lie, and claiming it to be the truth?

You were presenting the flight data recorder as truth. I defeated the notion of it as a truth.

The only truth is the front sloped face from the pentagon hole to the highway bridge.

No other truths are needed to present the impossible flight path.

[joboo]

You were presenting the flight data recorder as truth. I defeated the notion of it as a truth.

The only truth is the front sloped face from the pentagon hole to the highway bridge.

No other truths are needed to present the impossible flight path.

You just posted a video above saying that "crash impossible says flight recorder data"

Where did you defeat the flight path recorder data as a notion? You were using it specifically.

Anyhow, when the reality of that logistically becomes inconvenient, the whole thing is still impossible because the angle of the crash makes it "appear" to be impossible?

You're going to have to elaborate on that.

How did the passengers get in the building, and when?

[Horn]

You just posted a video above saying that "crash impossible says flight recorder data"

Where did you defeat the flight path recorder data as a notion? You were using it specifically.

Anyhow, when the reality of that logistically becomes inconvenient, the whole thing is still impossible because the angle of the crash makes it "appear" to be impossible?

You're going to have to elaborate on that.

How did the passengers get in the building, and when?

The angle doesn't make anything appear, it is what it is, and makes it impossible for a Boeing 757.

There's nothing further to elaborate on as far as the question of the thread is concerned, flight recorder, or not.

[joboo]

The angle doesn't make anything appear, it is what it is, and makes it impossible for a Boeing 757.

There's nothing further to elaborate on as far as the question of the thread is concerned, flight recorder, or not.

Show how it's impossible then.

[Horn]

Show how it's impossible then.



Flight 77 would then have been over Pentagon grounds with about 500 feet remaining to level out and to strike the Pentagon "slightly below the second floor slab" at "an angle of approximately 42 degrees".


The Columbia Pike and VA-27 intersection (http://www.twf.org/News/Y2010/0911-PentagonElevations.jpg), and the terrain West of the intersection, present a barrier (http://www.twf.org/News/Y2010/0911-VA-27-3.jpg) in the alleged path (http://www.twf.org/News/Y2010/0911-VA-27-1.jpg) of Flight 77.
According to the "Pentagon Building Performance Report" (page 14), "The first photograph (figure 3.3) captured an image of the aircraft when it was approximately 320 ft (approximately 0.42 second) from impact with the west wall of the Pentagon. Two photographs (figures 3.3 and 3.7), when compared, seem to show that the top of the fuselage of the aircraft was no more than approximately 20 ft above the ground when the first photograph of this series was taken."


Leaving aside the discrepancies between the official account of Flight 77, and the Flight Data Recorder (which NTSB refuses to answer), Pilots for 9/11 Truth calculated (http://www.twf.org/News/Y2009/0702-Flight77.html) the force on the Boeing 757 at 34 Gs, i.e. 34 times the force due to gravity, at the point that it would have to transition from its downward flight to level flight.


With a virtual weight of about 8.5 million pounds, Flight 77 could not have leveled off before striking the Pentagon. It would have crashed at the intersection of Columbia Pike and VA-27. This alone is sufficient to refute the official account of "Flight 77" -- Flight 77 cannot have violated the law of s .



http://www.twf.org/News/Y2010/0911-Pentagon.html

[joboo]

http://www.twf.org/News/Y2010/0911-Pentagon.html

They're using the flight path data which also shows the plane stopped there.

So where did the plane go?

Where is it?

The flight data says the plane stopped there.

Did it land on top of the building, on a dime from 500mph, then enable it's cloaking device, and sit there long enough for them to somehow remove the flight data recorder, then smash it up all convincingly, and toss it in the building then fire off the missile, and recover the data recorder later?

Is this what you're expecting people to believe happened?

...and were not even touching on how the people got in there yet.

Play out the logic. You're either going to use the flight data as being true, or it's a fabrication.

Pick an angle and stick with it.

You're still trying to have it both ways.

There's obviously a huge glaring problem with the flight recorder data, because there's no plane there.

Surely you realize this by now.

Show the evidence that says it's completely impossible without using the flight recorder data.

[Horn]

You have dyslexia.


Leaving aside the discrepancies between the official account of Flight 77, and the Flight Data Recorder (which NTSB refuses to answer),

Any and all flight patterns over the bridge or through the woods apply to the laws of science.

A Boeing is not capable to produce the hole in the side of the building after traversing the rise of the highway, as was evident by the hole in the wall, and the rise to the highway.

[joboo]

You have dyslexia.



Any and all flight patterns over the bridge or through the woods apply to the laws of science.

A Boeing is not capable to produce the hole in the side of the building after traversing the rise of the highway, as was evident by the hole in the wall, and the rise to the highway.

One one hand your saying the flight recorder data is all fake (because no plane stopped there at the pentagon), then on the other hand you're using the fight recorder data as proof to indicate the flight path was impossible.

You don't see the problem with that?

So basically your entire argument boils down to your opinion of what you think is possible, and not possible.

[Horn]

One one hand your saying the flight recorder data is all fake (because no plane stopped there at the pentagon), then on the other hand you're using the fight recorder data as proof to indicate the flight path was impossible.

Nobody is using the flight recorder data, only the evidence that is available on site.

That being the hole in the wall, and the rise of the bridge. And the speeds needed to produce Boeing evaporation.

Do you have a problem with understanding that?

The math stands on its own, only a completely zombified audience would buy that a Boeing had even a slight chance.

Which is what they were hoping for, then it was onto Iraq for the real live bunker busters, over & out.

[joboo]

Nobody is using the flight recorder data, only the evidence that is available on site.

That being the hole in the wall, and the rise of the bridge. And the speeds needed to produce Boeing evaporation.

Do you have a problem with understanding that?

Now you're switching to the hole (which is also an opinion) away from the flight path.

If you're going to make the claim, then you need to show *without using any of the flight recorder data* how the flight path was impossible.

[Santa]

The flight data says the plane stopped there.



One one hand your saying the flight recorder data is all fake (because no plane stopped there at the pentagon), then on the other hand you're using the fight recorder data as proof to indicate the flight path was impossible.

See, this what I mean by saying you don't use logic in your arguments. You use the flight data to bolster your point, while there is no possible way of verifying the data.... then you accuse Horn of using it, when he clearly did no such thing.

Horn is using evidence that's actually available. He didn't use the flight recorder to make a point. You did.

[joboo]

See, this what I mean by saying you don't use logic in your arguments. You use the flight data to bolster your point, while there is no possible way of verifying the data.... then you accuse Horn of using it, when he clearly did no such thing.

Horn is using evidence that's actually available. He didn't use the flight recorder to make a point. You did.

Horn keeps making the point that the flight recorder data shows the flight path is impossible, from various sources, and deduces therefore it's impossible for the plane to have hit the building (based on the flight path data), so he then says the plane flew then over top due to the altitude reading gathered again, from the flight path data, therefore it had to be a missile. It's not just horn that does this. It's what the missile theory perspective believes as a whole.

Now that this logic no longer pans out, it all relies on the opinion that it simply could not fly it, and then off to another opinion of that the hole is not right.

And then there's the passengers to account for still.

Are you reading a different thread?

[Horn]

Horn keeps making the point that the flight recorder data shows the flight path is impossible,

Not so at all.

The following linked calculation weighs so heavily in favor towards pre-wall & non-level impact that variables as far as speed concerned within it could be reduced by a significant factor and still place the Boeing well in front of the evident impact zone.


Pilots for 9/11 Truth did another calculation (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/descent_rate031308.html) by lowering the height of "Flight 77" below that shown by the FDR. They lowered it to to the top of the Virginia Department of Transportation communications antenna that sits below the alleged flight path.

With this very conservative case, they calculated the force on the Boeing 757 at 11.2 Gs. "11.2 Gs was never recorded in the FDR. 11.2 Gs would rip the aircraft apart" they state.



http://www.twf.org/News/Y2009/0702-Flight77.html

With any other lower flight path being impossible due to obstructions that would have taken the Boeing out before the intended target, the case is closed.

No High Speed & Evaporating Boeing made the hole in the Pentagon wall. It's an impossibility.


http://pilotsfor911truth.org/descent_rate031308.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PtlzCyKbw5Q

[Santa]

Horn keeps making the point that the flight recorder data shows the flight path is impossible, from various sources, and deduces therefore it's impossible for the plane to have hit the building (based on the flight path data), so he then says the plane flew then over top due to the altitude reading gathered again, from the flight path data, therefore it had to be a missile. It's not just horn that does this. It's what the missile theory perspective believes as a whole.

Now that this logic no longer pans out, it all relies on the opinion that it simply could not fly it, and then off to another opinion of that the hole is not right.

And then there's the passengers to account for still.

Are you reading a different thread?

No, he's saying, "IF" the flight data as given were accurate, the 757 would have crashed before leveling and careening into the building simply due to the G forces involved.
Which means that the flight data as given is complete bullshit.

This lends no credibility at all to your position that the jet had to have hit the building.

And as far as PatColo's position goes, he knows that the OFFICIAL STORYTELLERS need fight 77 to have hit the Pentagon, otherwise the entire OFFICIAL STORY goes to shit.

Furthermore, 2 videos have been shown that clearly demonstrate that a missile hit the building, and not one video of a 757 hitting the building.

Also, your buddy, whatsisname has admitted that he may have been wrong about his initial opinion that a missile didn't hit the building.

So you have clearly lost this debate, yet you continue going on and on. Give it up, joboo.

[mamboni]

No, he's saying, "IF" the flight data as given were accurate, the 757 would have crashed before leveling and careening into the building simply due to the G forces involved.
Which means that the flight data as given is complete bullshit.

This lends no credibility at all to your position that the jet had to have hit the building.

And as far as PatColo's position goes, he knows that the OFFICIAL STORYTELLERS need fight 77 to have hit the Pentagon, otherwise the entire OFFICIAL STORY goes to shit.

Furthermore, 2 videos have been shown that clearly demonstrate that a missile hit the building, and not one video of a 757 hitting the building.

Also, your buddy, whatsisname has admitted that he may have been wrong about his initial opinion that a missile didn't hit the building.

So you have clearly lost this debate, yet you continue going on and on. Give it up, joboo.

Thank you - well said. Finally, the voice of reason may put this miserable display of mendacity and duplicity out of it's misery once and for all. For anyone who has seen the video showing a wingless missile hitting the Pentagon the debate is over. Yet Joboo spends hours debating minutias, as if the events of the past can be changed by lies and distortions today. What disreputable conduct by a true misanthrope.

[joboo]

Not so at all.

The following linked calculation weighs so heavily in favor towards pre-wall & non-level impact that variables as far as speed concerned within it could be reduced by a significant factor and still place the Boeing well in front of the evident impact zone.



http://www.twf.org/News/Y2009/0702-Flight77.html

With any other lower flight path being impossible due to obstructions that would have taken the Boeing out before the intended target, the case is closed.

No High Speed & Evaporating Boeing made the hole in the Pentagon wall. It's an impossibility.


http://pilotsfor911truth.org/descent_rate031308.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PtlzCyKbw5Q

Give this a read, open it in internet explorer if it doesn't display properly. All the pictures are interactive with check boxes.

http://jpdesm.pagesperso-orange.fr/pentagon/pages-en/trj-appr.html

Computer simulations are great, but they don't always mimic the real world environment at the time. At the end of the day it's still a computer simulation.

There are witnesses all along the flight path that saw the airplane. Do you think they are all in on it?

The employee working in the VDOT tower says it went over.

So if the plane just flew on by, can you speculate on how you think they arranged to get the passengers DNA inside the building, and when?

[Horn]

The simulation is only to provide a basis for mathematical figures.

The math does not lie, no Boeing made that hole in the Pentagon.

[joboo]

No, he's saying, "IF" the flight data as given were accurate, the 757 would have crashed before leveling and careening into the building simply due to the G forces involved.
Which means that the flight data as given is complete bullshit.

This lends no credibility at all to your position that the jet had to have hit the building.

And as far as PatColo's position goes, he knows that the OFFICIAL STORYTELLERS need fight 77 to have hit the Pentagon, otherwise the entire OFFICIAL STORY goes to shit.

Furthermore, 2 videos have been shown that clearly demonstrate that a missile hit the building, and not one video of a 757 hitting the building.

Also, your buddy, whatsisname has admitted that he may have been wrong about his initial opinion that a missile didn't hit the building.

So you have clearly lost this debate, yet you continue going on and on. Give it up, joboo.


You're basing a computer simulation on the real world. Everyone knows that computer simulations are just that. Computer simulations.

There are no two videos that show a missile. One is completely inconclusive, and the other is some kind of poor CGI hoax.

Gage, when pressed, admitted it may have been a missile, but that was to calm the waters, as there was a shitstorm of fury against him for not fully supporting it. I am sure his mailbox was getting bombarded daily over it to no end. Ultimately look at how he has decided to distance himself from it with his work. Actions speak louder than words.

All there is at this point is a computer simulation v.s. real world environment.

[joboo]

The simulation is only to provide a basis for mathematical figures.

The math does not lie, no Boeing made that hole in the Pentagon.

It's still a computer simulation. You're trusting they took every possibility into account, and weren't looking for a specific result.

So if the plane few over top, when did the missile hit, and what about the passengers? How do you suppose they arranged all that?

[Horn]

It's still a computer simulation. You're trusting they took every possibility into account, and weren't looking for a specific result.

It a model to determine the radius, thats all. There are no other calculations going on in it.

Have you ever used a compass, or does your friend own one on his shirt?

[joboo]

It a model to determine the radius, thats all. There are no other calculations going on in it.

Have you ever used a compass, or does your friend own one on his shirt?

Well the simulation is showing one thing, then you have witnesses all along the flight path saying the opposite.

So the lynch pin is a computer simulation that or may or may not have accounted for everything going on that day at that specific location in time.

Did they think of every possible scenario that could affect their calculations, and plot a parallel simulation to see what the result was in each case? It's a question worth asking.

[Santa]

You're basing a computer simulation on the real world. Everyone knows that computer simulations are just that. Computer simulations.



Simulations? What are you talkin about? The debate is OVER. You lost.

Gage, when pressed, admitted it may have been a missile.

The end. Even your hero gave up. He admitted he was wrong. Now it's time for you to do the same thing.

[Horn]

Well the simulation is showing one thing, then you have witnesses all along the flight path saying the opposite


Not sure at all what your are trying to state there.

Any flight path you approach it with the math would not lie,

a Boeing could not have leveled out before the Pentagon wall and after the highway at anything close to speeds required, impossible.

Try to defeat the math involved, it oughtta be an interesting addition to your pro-space junk mentality.

[joboo]

Not sure at all what your are trying to state there.

Any flight path you approach it with the math would not lie,

a Boeing could not have leveled out before the Pentagon wall and after the highway at anything close to speeds required, impossible.

Try to defeat the math involved, it oughtta be an interesting addition to your pro-space junk mentality.

At the end of the day your entire argument relies on a computer simulation.

Have you thought about the getting the passengers arranged, and situated yet with a timeline?

How does that work out for you?

What are your thoughts on this?

http://jpdesm.pagesperso-orange.fr/p.../trj-appr.html (http://jpdesm.pagesperso-orange.fr/pentagon/pages-en/trj-appr.html)

[joboo]

Then there's this:

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

Pentagon witness spreadsheet (Excel file) (https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/PentWitnesses.xls)
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/PentWitnesses.xls


"From the lists above, 136 people saw the plane approach the Pentagon, and

104 directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

6 were nearly hit by the plane in front of the Pentagon. Several others were within 100-200 feet of the impact.

26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet.

39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner.

2 described a smaller corporate jet. 1 described a "commuter plane" but didn't mention the size.

7 said it was a Boeing 757.

8 witnesses were pilots. One witness was an Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower Chief.

2 witnesses were firefighters working on their truck at the Pentagon heliport.

4 made radio calls to inform emergency services that a plane had hit the Pentagon.

10 said the plane's flaps and landing gear were not deployed (1 thought landing gear struck a light pole).

16 mentioned seeing the plane hit light poles/trees, or were next to to the poles when it happened. Another 8 mentioned the light poles being knocked down: it's unknown if they saw them hit.

42 mentioned seeing aircraft debris. 4 mentioned seeing airline seats. 3 mentioned engine parts.


2 mentioned bodies still strapped into seats.

15 mentioned smelling or contacting aviation/jet fuel.

3 had vehicles damaged by light poles or aircraft debris. Several saw other occupied vehicles damaged.

3 took photographs of the aftermath.

Many mentioned false alarm warnings of other incoming planes after the crash. One said "3-4 warnings."

And of course,

0 saw a military aircraft or missile strike the Pentagon.

0 saw a plane narrowly miss the Pentagon and fly away."

------------------------


All of them are in on it, and lying?

[Horn]

At the end of the day your entire argument relies on a computer simulation.

Again, it isn't a computer simulation. It is a too scale 3d model to figure out the approach vector and radius slope/sine for the calculations that prove without a doubt that no Boeing 747 could traverse the Pentagon fairway to be perpendicular to the wall.

The computer is doing nothing there, its straight math/science, No eyeball in the world could prove it any different.

[Santa]

Then there's this:

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

Pentagon witness spreadsheet (Excel file) (https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/PentWitnesses.xls)
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/PentWitnesses.xls


"From the lists above, 136 people saw the plane approach the Pentagon, and

104 directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

6 were nearly hit by the plane in front of the Pentagon. Several others were within 100-200 feet of the impact.

26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet.

39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner.

2 described a smaller corporate jet. 1 described a "commuter plane" but didn't mention the size.

7 said it was a Boeing 757.

8 witnesses were pilots. One witness was an Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower Chief.

2 witnesses were firefighters working on their truck at the Pentagon heliport.

4 made radio calls to inform emergency services that a plane had hit the Pentagon.

10 said the plane's flaps and landing gear were not deployed (1 thought landing gear struck a light pole).

16 mentioned seeing the plane hit light poles/trees, or were next to to the poles when it happened. Another 8 mentioned the light poles being knocked down: it's unknown if they saw them hit.

42 mentioned seeing aircraft debris. 4 mentioned seeing airline seats. 3 mentioned engine parts.


2 mentioned bodies still strapped into seats.

15 mentioned smelling or contacting aviation/jet fuel.

3 had vehicles damaged by light poles or aircraft debris. Several saw other occupied vehicles damaged.

3 took photographs of the aftermath.

Many mentioned false alarm warnings of other incoming planes after the crash. One said "3-4 warnings."

And of course,

0 saw a military aircraft or missile strike the Pentagon.

0 saw a plane narrowly miss the Pentagon and fly away."

And a partridge in a pear tree.





Hey, I know that song.

[JDRock]

dodge- bob- weave- deny -delay -misdirect -spam- spam- spam repeat ad nauseum.

[PatColo]

^ yep. waste of time- you can't "wake up" someone who's only pretending to be alseep.

The empress of GSUShttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?66573-Come-to-Jesus-time-What-do-we-do-with-Jooboo) has no clothes,



Richard Gage: "I needed to separate myself from nutty conspiracy angles, it was poison pulling me down, pulling my work down, pulling everyone down"

Amen...

your last dozen/whatever replies banging the 'what Gage thinks of the Pentagon question' drum, and making unlikely sounding characterizations of same, have all been conspicuously lacking any source links.

So given that you posted the above alleged, unlikely sounding Gage "quote" in double quotation marks, I goog'd it:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22I+needed+to+separate+myself+from+nutty +conspiracy+angles,+it+was+poison+pulling+me+down, +pulling+my+work+down,+pulling+everyone+down%22+ga ge

and that ^ returns exactly one result: your post above:D.....

Sorry Charlene>:(, but we need source links a bit more uuuum, credible than "Pattern of Projection Girl http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 says so"....

please advise, \uu\

[mamboni]

^ yep. waste of time- you can't "wake up" someone who's only pretending to be alseep.

The empress of GSUShttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?66573-Come-to-Jesus-time-What-do-we-do-with-Jooboo) has no clothes,

PatColo, you have now caught Joboo posting repeated lies/fabrications - thank you for your diligence and vigilance. Joboo is deliberately and systematically attempting to deceive and misdirect vis-a-vis 911. So this pattern of behavior is not that if an innocent curiosity seeker trying to learn; this is the exact stereotypical behavior of a disinformation agent and/or troll. Now I ask you: why would a private citizen with no connection to a government agency or other special interest group spend all this time and energy fabricating lies and distortions about 911? What is the motive?

[JDRock]

^^^ a just question my liege...... ^^

[PatColo]

who's your new avatar s'posed to be JD?

http://www.totalfascism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Anonymous-Jew-Rat.png (http://www.totalfascism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Anonymous-Jew-Rat.png)

LOL

Thread: V for Zionism (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?42064-V-for-Zionism)

[Horn]

Now I ask you: why would a private citizen with no connection to a government agency or other special interest group spend all this time and energy fabricating lies and distortions about 911? What is the motive?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXrh8rQWDxg

[mamboni]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXrh8rQWDxg

Can't watch YouTube at work and dying of curiosity Horn! Pray tell por favor!

[Horn]

Can't watch YouTube at work and dying of curiosity Horn! Pray tell por favor!

Ignorance is Bliss, that's all.

Of course the character did end up selling all his friends down the road to slaughter...

[PatColo]

PatColo, you have now caught Joboo posting repeated lies/fabrications - thank you for your diligence and vigilance. Joboo is deliberately and systematically attempting to deceive and misdirect vis-a-vis 911. So this pattern of behavior is not that if an innocent curiosity seeker trying to learn; this is the exact stereotypical behavior of a disinformation agent and/or troll. Now I ask you: why would a private citizen with no connection to a government agency or other special interest group spend all this time and energy fabricating lies and distortions about 911? What is the motive?

I think it's like this recent Haaretz piece,

The limits of Israel's online hasbara (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/the-limits-of-israel-s-online-hasbara.premium-1.479298)

With the Israeli offensive in Gaza, the generals of Israel's public relations say they are 'ruling Facebook' and 'winning on Twitter.' Deserting the Internet is not an option, but Israel has to acknowledge its limitations. Hasbara can achieve at most a tie.




The "Hijacked Airliner Hit Pentagon" (HAHP) theory which Pattern of Projection Girlhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 is here trying so tenaciously to coerce, is totally untenable of course; while missile, bomb and/or flyover theories (like CIT's (http://911blogger.com/node/20738)) are infinitely closer to reconciling what likely happened at the Pentagon, with the facts. But notice how many post she's made here trying to 'flip the script (http://www.judeofascism.com/2011/09/is-over-hyped-holocaust-mere-jewish.html)', and trying to portray the evidence as being lopsided in favor of her (fake 'truther' clique's (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2012/10/did-boeing-757-hit-pentagon-on-911.html?showComment=1351074700299#c37131689264152 81985)) HAHP agenda. It's an effort to take a hopeless losing position, but through ceaseless swindle-speakhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 repetition, to achieve "at most a tie" in the minds of lay readers only following casually. As far as the HAHP clique is concerned, given their hopeless theory, achieving a 'tie' among lay person perceptions, is achieving a 'win'. Lemonade from lemons er sumthin.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4296202752/hAFC15CC5/

[mamboni]

I think it's like this recent Haaretz piece,
The limits of Israel's online hasbara (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/the-limits-of-israel-s-online-hasbara.premium-1.479298)

With the Israeli offensive in Gaza, the generals of Israel's public relations say they are 'ruling Facebook' and 'winning on Twitter.' Deserting the Internet is not an option, but Israel has to acknowledge its limitations. Hasbara can achieve at most a tie.




The "Hijacked Airliner Hit Pentagon" (HAHP) theory which Pattern of Projection Girlhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 is here trying so tenaciously to coerce, is totally untenable of course; while missile, bomb and/or flyover theories (like CIT's (http://911blogger.com/node/20738)) are infinitely closer to reconciling what likely happened at the Pentagon, with the facts. But notice how many post she's made here trying to 'flip the script (http://www.judeofascism.com/2011/09/is-over-hyped-holocaust-mere-jewish.html)', and trying to portray the evidence as being lopsided in favor of her (fake 'truther' clique's (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2012/10/did-boeing-757-hit-pentagon-on-911.html?showComment=1351074700299#c37131689264152 81985)) HAHP agenda. It's an effort to take a hopeless losing position, but through ceaseless swindle-speakhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 repetition, to achieve "at most a tie" in the minds of lay readers only following casually. As far as the HAHP clique is concerned, given their hopeless theory, achieving a 'tie' among lay person perceptions, is achieving a 'win'. Lemonade from lemons er sumthin.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4296202752/hAFC15CC5/


Swindle-speakhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 ! Pure genius PatColo!!!! You should copyright this! LOL

Is that General Pershing in the photo center?

[Horn]

achieving a 'tie' among lay person perceptions, is achieving a 'win'. Lemonade from lemons er sumthin.

I would like to concur, but find its all a too masterful display of ignorance to be conjured in the Owl's den . Perhaps i am being alluded?

There is also a flipside here along the lines of unconscious subjugation the likes of the mormon girl, I forget her handle. the display was much the same with three-peats and disregard for logic, a bloque if you will.

[Serpo]

JOBOO MASSIVE FAIL..........DIS INFO AGENT.........deserves a pay cut........

[joboo]

Again, it isn't a computer simulation. It is a too scale 3d model to figure out the approach vector and radius slope/sine for the calculations that prove without a doubt that no Boeing 747 could traverse the Pentagon fairway to be perpendicular to the wall.

The computer is doing nothing there, its straight math/science, No eyeball in the world could prove it any different.

This is exactly what I was saying before. There's a highway right there, and you guys think nobody is going to notice a thing like it's all some invisible fantasy world.

All these people are lying eh? They're all in on it. Elaborately fabricatred stories over, and over again of over 140 people....all lying.

There were even more witnesses than that, as a lot of people simply drove away.

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/American_Airlines_Flight_77_Crash_Evidence

You're living in a dream if you think would think anyone would think to do this as a viable op, and hope to get away with it.

Right there with a busy highway during rush hour with witnesses all over the place.

Running around planting evidence, planting bodies...nobody noticing a thing. Of course. What a plan!

Reminds me of the fake kids at sandy hook which I'm sure you guys still believe are fake also.

Give it up already...your minds are in orbit, circling the planet xenu...come back to reality. Same kind of people that cooked up that skewed computer simulation.

The only massive fail I see here are people that fell off the edge of reality, and refuse to accept it.

[mamboni]

This is exactly what I was saying before. There's a highway right there, and you guys think nobody is going to notice a thing like it's all some invisible fantasy world.

All these people are lying eh? They're all in on it. Elaborately fabricatred stories over, and over again of over 140 people....all lying.

There were even more witnesses than that, as a lot of people simply drove away.

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/American_Airlines_Flight_77_Crash_Evidence

You're living in a dream if you think would think anyone would think to do this as a viable op, and hope to get away with it.

Right there with a busy highway during rush hour with witnesses all over the place.

Running around planting evidence, planting bodies...nobody noticing a thing. Of course. What a plan!

Reminds me of the fake kids at sandy hook which I'm sure you guys still believe are fake also.

Give it up already...your minds are in orbit, circling the planet xenu...come back to reality. Same kind of people that cooked up that skewed computer simulation.

The only massive fail I see here are people that fell off the edge of reality, and refuse to accept it.

http://milforddemocrats.com/files/images/strawman.jpg

[Horn]

There's a highway right there, and you guys think nobody is going to notice a thing like it's all some invisible fantasy world.

Not sure about you, joboo. Most drivers keep their eyes on the road. Excepting that taxi driver videod earlier, he had no idea where he was at the time.

Many eyewitnesses said they saw the jetliner in a constant correcting pattern, up down, side to side "banking". (again note that speeds would be greatly reduced in that situation) so much so that complete devastation would also be an impossibility.

Perhaps he was trying to delay something for proper timing by taking a slow weaved route?

Any other Muslim would go straight for target once he had a visual.


The only massive fail I see here are people that fell off the edge of reality, and refuse to accept it.

Have you been speaking with Mr. Gage? He seems to think otherwise.

[Santa]

"When you have ruled out the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." Doyle

[joboo]

Not sure about you, joboo. Most drivers keep their eyes on the road. Excepting that taxi driver videod earlier, he had no idea where he was at the time.

Many eyewitnesses said they saw the jetliner in a constant correcting pattern, up down, side to side "banking". (again note that speeds would be greatly reduced in that situation) so much so that complete devastation would also be an impossibility.

Perhaps he was trying to delay something for proper timing by taking a slow weaved route?

Any other Muslim would go straight for target once he had a visual.

It was during rush hour grid lock traffic, and you hear a massive jet rumbling on in...eyes on the road...sure.

Read some of the testimony. There were witnesses all over the place, all long the flight path, and all around the pentagon. They saw it hit the building.

People all over the place saw the plane. Nobody saw a missile.

This is like the sandy hook fake kids syndrome.

[Horn]

People all over the place saw the plane. Nobody saw a missile.


“We were standing at the Pentagon Station, waiting for the train to come, and we saw a missile fly into the Pentagon! We saw it, we saw it!” One of the men sitting closer to them must have asked for clarification, because they reiterated the same information several times, saying repeatedly: “A missile, we saw it, a missile, it flew right into the Pentagon. I can’t believe it. Now it’s on fire, there’s smoke!”

http://www.oilempire.us/eyewitnesses.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRFvavH_vk

[mamboni]

"When you have ruled out the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." Doyle

"When you have exhausted a debate in search of the truth, with strawmen, misdirection and outright fabrications, whatever remains, no matter how indisputable, gets forgotten."

-Jooboo

[gunDriller]

http://www.oilempire.us/eyewitnesses.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRFvavH_vk


i used to follow Marc R. @ oilempire.us.

but eventually it became obvious that he bore a similarity to Alex Jones - to promote the "Inside Job" concept, whilst always shielding Israel from attention.

" Now we're even beginning to see the beginnings of the grand meta-theories, with the attack blamed on some secret conspiracy involving Israel (with the happy Israeli witnesses making a video of the attack paralleling the fact that Yitzhak Rabin was in Texas at Fort Bliss on November 22, 1963; it's as if Israel makes a point of sending witnesses whenever they hear about such things), or, in a possible attempt to shield Israel, weird conspiracy chestnuts like the Bilderbergers or the Illuminati (whatever happened to the Rockefellers, who used to be blamed for everything?). These meta-theories are worse than useless, serving as a method of appearing to discuss the case while simply constructing a wall of smoke."

http://www.oilempire.us/911.html

[joboo]

Like I've been saying all along.

All those 130+ witnesses, they're obviously all in on it. Um...yeah...

Hey let's pull off an op right beside a busy highway during rush hour traffic with witnesses all over the place, then run around planting evidence all over the place without anyone noticing. What could go wrong? A brilliant plan for sure.

But wait! Some dude on da net cooked up a cerrmperter sermulertionz......ermagerd it's a mersille! 100% preerf!

I think the best thing to do here at this point is contact the embassies to arrange for shuttle services, and get you guys back to your home worlds.

Apparently planet earth is not the point of origin. ;)

[Horn]

Like I've been saying all along.


Harley Guy's back, planting his disappearing thermite like breadcrumbs..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5y8PtfKA14

[PatColo]

The only massive fail I see here are people that fell off the edge of reality, and refuse to accept it.

'atagirl! Tell us again, who's the real BIG WINNERhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 here today!?! \uu\

http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/2259631.jpg

[joboo]

It's amazing the levels people go to on conspiracies.

September clues got a bunch of people on the fake planes...man that one was a doozy. Some people still think in addition to the fake kids at Sandy Hook, the school is actually fake too, some go even further, and think the town is fake on top of it all. They believe it like the sun rises despite the witnesses, and people knowing the parents (some on this very forum), and the kids, yet the denial remains.

Now we have a bunch of people still clinging to the missile angle despite the unbelievable logic to make it all work, and witnesses all over the place providing mountains of evidence to the contrary. It's a lot like that river in Egypt. ;)

Don't worry guys, technology is advancing in leaps and bounds. SETI is running some good deep space scans.

We can get you back to your home worlds safe and sound. You won't have to suffer much longer down here on earth. ;D

[Mouse]

Thanks for saving us from our selves. I was worried there that you might just, you know, maybe just be like "fuck it - let them believe what they want to believe". Thank God we have good people like you that just cannot let a matter drop, regardless. I bet you were a lot of fun as a kid. If we just admit that you are right will you go away so we can play grown-up games?

[joboo]

You know what it is? At a certain point peoples brains melt over certain components of conspiracies. It's a proven phenomenon. It's ages old.

A lot of people are just mad because a lot of what I'm saying makes perfect sense (because it's actually true), but they still want to believe in the conspiracy. To think it wasn't a conspiracy makes them feel uncomfortable. The odd part is the opposite emotion should be occurring.

[PatColo]

Pattern of Projection Girlhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 also never got back to us on the WHAT & WHO questions following.



.no... Pat it wasn't scaary mooozlems.given that you now appear to be discreetly tiptoeing away ^ from your prior "I already answered it a few times" claim (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?67136-High-Ranking-US-Major-General-Exposes-September-11-High&p=613058&viewfull=1#post613058); I guess it follows that you'd be unable to provide links to GSUS posts which don't exist, eh? Duly noted. ;)

So that leaves us with your new, vague claim above to work with; at odds with your prior postings on 911 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?67136-High-Ranking-US-Major-General-Exposes-September-11-High&p=613065&viewfull=1#post613065), though it is.

Must request clarification:

WHAT wasn't scary moozlems?? Pentagon only, or WTC too? and Penn?

WHO does your years of expert sane/logical 911 researchhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 indicate was most likely piloting that big Boeing airliner which you proselytize so dogmatically really did fly into the Pentagon, if indeed "it wasn't scaary mooozlems" ???

[JDRock]

No fact...no truth...no point made...just propaganda.... oy oy...ven vill halo learn? eet dozzent vork here...deez goys are too shmaart.

[Horn]

You know what it is? At a certain point peoples brains melt over certain components of conspiracies. It's a proven phenomenon. It's ages old.

A lot of people are just mad because a lot of what I'm saying makes perfect sense (because it's actually true), but they still want to believe in the conspiracy.

Not only does this guy sound like Harley Guy, he believes modern buildings fall on their own footprint from small residual fires.

And Boeings can press 34Gs to level.

Next he'll be telling us there are inter-dimensional lizard beings that arrive thru our internet connection.

[Santa]

Not only does this guy sound like Harley Guy, he believes modern buildings fall on their own footprint from small residual fires.

And Boeings can press 34Gs to level.

Next he'll be telling us there are inter-dimensional lizard beings that arrive thru our internet connection.

Who's Harley Guy?

[sirgonzo420]

Who's Harley Guy?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5y8PtfKA14

[JDRock]

It's amazing the levels people go to on conspiracies.

. ;D

So, while your in the act of promoting the governments official conspiracy theory about arabs and airplanes, you denigrate those who offer an alternative!......bwaaahaaaha you wacky conspiracy theorist! bwaahahahaaa

[Horn]

Who's Harley Guy?

Is that your son there?

No I didn't mean him. :)

[joboo]

No fact...no truth...no point made...just propaganda.... oy oy...ven vill halo learn? eet dozzent vork here...deez goys are too shmaart.

Actually the exact opposite. All fact, all truth, points well made, and no propaganda.

They were tons of witnesses. But you want to go off believing the most far fetched, ridiculous, improbable scenario.

They were people all over the place with a busy highway right there in high volume, grid locked traffic during rush hour. Apparently that reality does not enter your thought process. Then there's dudes running around planting pane debris during all of this...and the "missing" passengers. Haha....omg.

Feel free to enjoy your endlessly impossible conspiracy perspective, but it's not based on realities grounded in this world.

[Horn]

Then there's dudes running around planting pane debris during all of this..

These guys?

4469

Yes, they look the type to be approved on Pentagonian grounds.

Weren't they gathering parts to ship away in the large covered coffin type box along with the video surveillance cameras from most positions?

[sirgonzo420]

These guys?

4469

Yes, they look the type to be approved on Pentagonian grounds.

Weren't they gathering parts to ship away in the large covered coffin type box along with the video surveillance cameras from most positions?


If you have a tie on, I heard that it's not illegal to remove evidence from a crime scene.

[Santa]

Horn, you're cracking me up, dude. Yeah, those guys in ties have rushed out onto the lawn to pick up the plane debris because some tourist might trip over it and cut themselves. LOL...

Oh, and no, not my son... just a photo.

[joboo]

These guys?

4469

Yes, they look the type to be approved on Pentagonian grounds.

Weren't they gathering parts to ship away in the large covered coffin type box along with the video surveillance cameras from most positions?

You tell me. Do you have about another 300 frames of that picture series to patch together into a movie?

Do you know their names? Tell us who they are.

[osoab]

You tell me. Do you have about another 300 frames of that picture series to patch together into a movie?

Do you know their names? Tell us who they are.
http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/cf_images/20060429/1706US2.jpg

Do you know these guys?

[joboo]

https://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/cf_images/20060429/1706US2.jpg

Do you know these guys?


They don't look like any of the guys in horn's picture.

Some here are trying to tell me they would bet their house on a computer simulation v.s. the testimony of over 130 eye witnesses.

Sure they would...

[Horn]

You tell me. Do you have about another 300 frames of that picture series to patch together into a movie?

Do you know their names? Tell us who they are.

You're asking the wrong guy, these guys took most of the footage that was never seen again.

Try this link.

/http://vault.fbi.gov/911-videos/security-camera-view-of-pentagon-on-9-11/

[joboo]

You're asking the wrong guy, these guys took most of the footage that was never seen again.

Try this link.

/http://vault.fbi.gov/911-videos/security-camera-view-of-pentagon-on-9-11/

You posted it up like you knew all about it, but now you're saying you don't know anything about it. Hmm..

You're lying to both yourself, and everyone here if you think you would bet everything you own on a computer simulation v.s. 130+ eye witnesses.

[Horn]

There was another boom 15minutes later, (to take out the floors possibly), all the cell phones went out, all the people were told to get out of the building, and nobody went in, too much smoke for anyone to see anything.

Yet the Pentagonian tie boys were allowed to play around in the yard.

The Wizard of Oz was busy working behind his curtain that day.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Samhqo6KSHc

[Horn]

You posted it up like you knew all about it, but now you're saying you don't know anything about it. Hmm..

You're lying to both yourself, and everyone here if you think you would bet everything you own on a computer simulation v.s. 130+ eye witnesses.

Joboo, you don't know the difference between a drawing board and a computer simulation, so please don't accuse me of lying to myself,

when your ignorance is clearly showing.

[Serpo]

On thing with the jewish mindset Joboo is that it is set in concrete and the rest of the world is against them and reason dosnt come into it as the mind is already made up so there is limited flexibility and so really there is no progress or its very limited,.....dont you agree Joboo.

[joboo]

On thing with the jewish mindset Joboo is that it is set in concrete and the rest of the world is against them and reason dosnt come into it as the mind is already made up so there is limited flexibility and so really there is no progress or its very limited,.....dont you agree Joboo.

I'm very flexible when the aspects lead to something conclusive. The conspiracy angle for some is very much set in concrete. It seems people keep forgetting I'm not even siding in the official narrative on this, aka it was guided in via the big red easy button. The missile concept just doesn't make any sense, and at the end of the day anyone that thinks all those witnesses are lying, and that anyone would try to pull off such a thing with so many people right there, are not being completely honest with themselves. They're letting their overall suspicions about everything that happened that day cloud their judgement.

[Horn]

They're letting their overall suspicions about everything that happened that day cloud their judgement.

And the physical evidence that a Boeing 757 needs a minimum of 12Gs to make the hole in the wall, when 5 or 6 is the most one could do?

How does that fit into your cloudy judgement?

[PatColo]

HARK! Our resident kosher-logichttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 expert, Pattern of Projection Girlhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018, has finally broken her long & unusual silence re the question of her dubious "Richard Gage quote" (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=613081#post613081):

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=614671#post614671



http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by PatColo http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=614574#post614574)

... or worse yet, falsely attributing words to a reputable public figure known for high integrity (http://www2.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999979), as some kind of "quote" in seeking to deceptively bolster your bosses' agenda, :(


I imagine you still have no source link to offer re that "Richard Gage quote" ^ which you tried to pass off to GSUS readers as authentic (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=613081#post613081), correct? :rolleyes:

His actions with his work tells me all I need to know about what he thinks about the magic missile theory. [...]"Double-O-JOObo: Licensed To LIEhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62941-prothink-ZCF-drcarley-com-%28more-%29-all-down&p=612599&viewfull=1#post612599)"


I agree with Richard Gage across the board, top to bottom, inside and out, upside down, and backwards.


;D

[joboo]

Well it's funny, but I don't see good ol Richard promoting the magic missile theory.

It would literally destroy all his work in a matter of days. ....KABOOM...Mushroom Cloud. No huge surprise there.

He won't touch it with a 100 foot pole...for many years now.... and you're like "oh...but...uh...there's..uh...some words he said once....err...one time at band camp" ..... okie dokey.


Endlessly complicated theory that becomes increasingly more improbable the deeper it's analyzed, with 130+ witnesses actually seeing the plane, and seeing it hit the building, but you're all on about disappearing airplanes, disappearing passengers, planted debris with still nobody noticing a thing. What a viable operation. Execute that plan for sure. Fool proof 100%. Middle of rush hour, witnesses all over the place. Sure thing.

Enjoy the fantasy world love affair with the magic missile. My point is well proven, anything beyond this is simply mindless repetition.

Now go ahead and post more nutty pictures of some joo dingbats, and more loopy science mural copy/paste ad homin character attacks etc... it's just knocks home all my points, and observations.

We'll have to respectfully (or not so) disagree on this one.

It's all moot at this point looking forward until something big comes out.

[Horn]

Endlessly complicated theory that becomes increasingly more improbable the deeper it's analyzed,

The physical evidence along with the video provided by authorities proves in fact it was as missile, as a Boeing is incapable.

[mamboni]

HARK! Our resident kosher-logichttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 expert, Pattern of Projection Girlhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018, has finally broken her long & unusual silence re the question of her dubious "Richard Gage quote" (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=613081#post613081):

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=614671#post614671

"Double-O-JOObo: Licensed To LIEhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62941-prothink-ZCF-drcarley-com-%28more-%29-all-down&p=612599&viewfull=1#post612599)"




;D

Joboo is behaving exactly like that guy who claimed that he was a holocaust survivor and his wife would bring him an apple every day to keep him alive. When it was revealed that he was never in a concentration camp and his story was totally contrived, him and his wife showed absolutely so shame or compunction. Instead, he smiled and insisted that if he believed the story then it must be true. This is the twisted psychotic thinking we are dealing with when confronting the Jew hucksters, a witch's brew of arrogance, superiority and self-serving delusion. Basically, what they are saying is: "You are a stupid cow, a goy, and I am a superior Jew. I will tell you what to believe. Don't believe your own eyes and ears. I am superior and know better."

[Santa]

He won't touch it with a 100 foot pole...for many years now.... and you're like "oh...but...uh...there's..uh...some words he said once....err...one time at band camp" ..... okie dokey.


Just a reminder for anyone who may still actually be following this thread.

Richard Gage ADMITTED that a missile was a definite possibility. This was an admission that he had previously been WRONG in his insistence that their was no missile.

He(Richard Gage) voluntarily relinquished the argument,... likely because he's an honorable man.

Joboo is being DISINGENUOUS by PROJECTING his employers official conclusions onto Richard Gage's intentions.

[joboo]

Just a reminder for anyone who may still actually be following this thread.

Richard Gage ADMITTED that a missile was a definite possibility. This was an admission that he had previously been WRONG in his insistence that their was no missile.

He(Richard Gage) voluntarily relinquished the argument,... likely because he's an honorable man.

Joboo is being DISINGENUOUS by PROJECTING his employers official conclusions onto Richard Gage's intentions.

To anyone listening...just remember Richard said a missile "maybe" hit the building one time at band camp to shut up the missiletards who were hounding him to death at the time, and basically threatening to ruin his reputation over it.

His actions speak WAY louder than his words, and his work mentions nothing about a missile anywhere. He keeps his work completely separate from this notion for a long, long time now, and has not changed his mind to include it in his work after all these years. This is the reality of the matter. The word police would have you believe otherwise.

Santa is full of siht, being DISINGENUOUS, overly nit picky, and is trying out his own little weak projection schtick.

I now return you to the 3 users mindlessly patting each other on the back while making wild baseless accusations, and assumptions received via tinfoil hat transmissions coming their home world the planet Xenu.

[Horn]

He keeps his work completely separate from this notion for a long, long time now, and has not changed his mind to include it in his work after all these years. This is the reality of the matter.

Which would be the case, as his work has been done proving the World Trade Centers could not collapse upon their own footprint due to flame, not what struck the Pentagon.

And to add to the ad hominem. I'll submit, quit being a dingbat, moonbat-n-wingnut.

[joboo]

Which would be the case, as his work has been done proving the World Trade Centers could not collapse upon their own footprint due to flame, not what struck the Pentagon.

And to add to the ad hominem. I'll submit, quit being a dingbat, moonbat-n-wingnut.

Thinking all the witnesses are lying, and in on it would indeed be wingnut idea for sure. But alas it's all mindless repetition at this point.

[Horn]

But alas it's all mindless repetition at this point.

You must be flattered by the wingnut label, along with some of the others being attached here.

There are witnesses here also.

Count your blessings...

[JDRock]

dodge- bob- weave- deny -delay -misdirect -spam- spam- spam repeat ad nauseum.

shill -shill-shill...maybe the truth will just " go away" huh? Not likely here Halo.

[PatColo]

To anyone listening...just remember Richard said a missile "maybe" hit the building one time at band camp to shut up the missiletards who were hounding him to death at the time, and basically threatening to ruin his reputation over it.

His actions speak WAY louder than his words, and his work mentions nothing about a missile anywhere. He keeps his work completely separate from this notion for a long, long time now, and has not changed his mind to include it in his work after all these years. This is the reality of the matter. The word police would have you believe otherwise.

Santa is full of siht, being DISINGENUOUS, overly nit picky, and is trying out his own little weak projection schtick.

I now return you to the 3 users mindlessly patting each other on the back while making wild baseless accusations, and assumptions received via tinfoil hat transmissions coming their home world the planet Xenu.

^ while we know it's futile to ask; I should ask Pattern of Projection Girlhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?66573-Come-to-Jesus-time-What-do-we-do-with-Jooboo) anyways just as a formality & for posterity: you got any credible source links to back up your latest batch of joobospew re Gage's alleged beliefs, alleged 'hounding by missiletards', yada yada?

I see what you're saying mamboni about joobo's kosher-psychosis, and its likeness with that of Herman Rosenblat's who proclaims that while he knows his holohoax claims aren't true, he's still not lying, coz in his kosher imagination, he believes them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j30sWIOMIak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j30sWIOMIak
Exclusive: Holocaust Faker Speaks Out (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/US/story?id=6903068&page=1)
Movie and Book to Come Out of 13-Year Lie


In Pattern of Projection Girlhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?66573-Come-to-Jesus-time-What-do-we-do-with-Jooboo)'s case, and in her own projected language,

She knows her wild baseless accusations, and assumptions received via tinfoil hat transmissions coming their home world the planet Xenu about Gage aren't true; but she believes them in her imagination (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?67136-High-Ranking-US-Major-General-Exposes-September-11-High&p=614730&viewfull=1#post614730), so therefore she's not lying. :D

http://www.totalfascism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Anonymous-Jew-Rat.png
would make an excellent avatar ^ for Pattern of Projection Girlhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?66573-Come-to-Jesus-time-What-do-we-do-with-Jooboo), eh? :cool:

You think she's also dreaming about future book & movie deals similar to Rosenblat's, based on her 'net shilling experiences, ???

We must concede: she does toil away some long hours... and she KNOWS she's GOOD! (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=603375#post603375):D
\uu\

[woodman]

Joboo, I have to wonder what your game is here. Even as a shill, you are doing your employer and their cause more harm than good. Maybe we should thank you for being so obvious and bolstering our case.

[Santa]

His actions speak WAY louder than his words,

His actions? Haha... On the internet, actions ARE words.

[joboo]

Exactly the caliber of responses I expected to see. It's uncanny.

[PatColo]

Joboo, I have to wonder what your game is here. Even as a shill, you are doing your employer and their cause more harm than good. Maybe we should thank you for being so obvious and bolstering our case.

or, as she recently projected it onto another GSUS member with the professionalism & subtlety which only Pattern of Projection Girlhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?66573-Come-to-Jesus-time-What-do-we-do-with-Jooboo) can,


[...]
Your handlers are growing concerned with your lead the opposition performance.

[Santa]

Exactly the caliber of responses I expected to see. It's uncanny.

If you don't like the caliber of responses here, then shove off, shillboo.
In the mean time, you're only digging your hole deeper and deeper.

[woodman]

Exactly the caliber of responses I expected to see. It's uncanny.

This coming from someone who argued a position for at least a month and was surprised at the opposing sides main contention, i.e. the plane was a decoy. We never claimed there was no plane seen by observers. Our claim all along was that a plane did not hit the pentagon. You are so thick you couldn't catch this. Beyond belief..

[joboo]

If you don't like the caliber of responses here, then shove off, shillboo.
In the mean time, you're only digging your hole deeper and deeper.


LOL...you're a funny guy bro. If you posess some kind of high level intelligence over me, I'm having a really hard time seeing it. For a while now.

Some of you guys do it to yourselves. Rant around with ridiculous accusations, and stupid photos, while completely skipping over the logistics of a reasonable discussion.

Some of you guys really do act like the nuts I'm thinking you are. I'm not necessarily the one digging the holes here. ;) Do I really care what 4 or 5 ultra conspiracy minded people on an internet forum think about something at end of the day? Probably not.

[woodman]

Quote Joboo:Some of you guys really do act like the nuts I'm thinking you are.

This kind of response is not helping you on this forum. You are stirring up animosity needlessly. We are merely debating you and pointing out your lack of ability in said debate. If you can't run with us, don't attempt to keep up. It is a degrading spectacle, and has got to be embarassing for you.

[joboo]

Quote Joboo:Some of you guys really do act like the nuts I'm thinking you are.

This kind of response is not helping you on this forum. You are stirring up animosity needlessly. We are merely debating you and pointing out your lack of ability in said debate. If you can't run with us, don't attempt to keep up. It is a degrading spectacle, and has got to be embarassing for you.

It's not embarrassing for me in the least, and here's why..

Mostly what I see here goes something like this:

I pose a legitimate question.

user1 reply: Skips question.....calls me a shill joo
user2 reply: Skips question...calls me a gay shill joo
user3 reply: Skips question...calls me a dumbazzz shill...fucking idiot!
user4 reply: Skips question....posts kooky joo or gay themed photo
user4 reply: calls me a double dumbazz shillbot joo!

and so on..

Krikey...the truth squad is on patrol. ;D

I don't know who JP is, or where he's at, but I imagine if he's reading all this he's in stitches.

Level headed reasoned debate for sure, and this behavior carries into other unrelated threads as well....pretty much all of them actually.

My goodness.

[PatColo]

I don't know who JP is, or where he's at, [...]

okay someone should ask Pattern of Projection Girlhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?66573-Come-to-Jesus-time-What-do-we-do-with-Jooboo)... just 'for the record'...


http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by joboo http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=612402#post612402)

http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by JDRock http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=612401#post612401)

halo...do you REALLY need to get bitch slapped over this AGAIN?? You were bent over the table so many time by pat colo over this at gim its laughable....halophyte...juristic preson... what a fraud...what a glutton for another public beating hahahaaa




You have no idea what you're talking about. You think you do, but you're guessing at best. Reason being I do know.

clarification of your remark in red? ^

[PatColo]

stubblebine & wife rima laibow on V.Eastwood show. This could be filed under 911, chemtrails, vaccines or fuku, as the couple are outspoken on all of them (Rima L much more though). 2 hrs, haven't listened yet. First link below is whole show, next 2 links are separate hours:



Genocide Is Here, The Ongoing Fukushima & Chem Trail Crises, General Albert Stubblebine & Dr Rima Laibow, 2 June 2014 (http://www.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com/2014-archives/genocide-is-here-the-ongoing-fukushima-chem-trail-crises-general-albert-stubblebine-dr-rima-laibow-2-june-2014)

06/06/2014
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2 Jun Gen Bert Stubblebine Rima Laibow MD Vinny Eastwood Show 2014 - VinnY Eastwood


http://www.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com/uploads/1/3/1/2/1312301/177032.jpg
General Albert Stubblebine & Dr Rima Laibow
http://drrimatruthreports.com
While many people wake up from our delusional state of indoctrination at some point, to go from General in the US Army at the heights of the pyramid to the recognition that "this mans army" was not all it seemed, can be quite hard.

Youtube Version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV9S4iy5wTM

Other Links
http://www.tinyurl.com/fukushimahope
http://tinyurl.com/StopGeoEngineering
http://drrimatruthreports.com/general-berts-new-fukushima-on-fire-ebook/
http://www.tinyurl.com/stopgeoengineering
(http://www.tinyurl.com/stopgeoengineering)
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[PatColo]

FWIW, I just learned Albert Stubblebine croaked Feb 7 '07. Hadn't heard from him in a while; mostly ever heard from his wife Rima Laibow.