Pyramids and The Orion Belt (mind blowing) [Archive] - Page 2

Horn

22nd April 2014, 12:37 PM

This guy has a scale model running as a generator in his backyard.

You can see how high he's able to pump, and still has residual compression energy thump I guess he claims could be harvested.

The primary function of the subterranean section is to provide pulse to resonate the free standing King's chamber.
The King’s chamber has design features of a resonating chamber. The granite walls are freestanding and isolated from the surrounding limestone masonry. This allows the room to freely resonate. The Orthodox camp labels the five layers of granite ceiling beams as stress relieving. But Chris Dunn demonstrates that these extra layers add nothing to the strength of the ceiling. A much simpler design similar to the lower Queen’s chamber could have been utilized (see Figure 23). Rather, the extra layers of granite beams are resonating chambers utilized to amplify the rooms resonance.2 Extensive sound testing has been done within this room by Thomas Danley2, John Reid10, Chris Dunn2, and others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfncpRxemKI#t=293

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WATER FOR PYRAMID CONSTRUCTION
The original theory for the pump mechanism was the result of block moving and elevating techniques. By using water and water locks, any weight of object can be moved to any height effortlessly - hence a technique for moving a couple million multi-ton blocks to 400+ feet. One person can move a multi-ton block easily.

SUMMARY
The walled enclosure around the Great Pyramid was a moat.
The water supply for the moat provided more water than the Great Pyramid consumed.
The causeway removed the excess water.
The subterranean chamber is not an air compression chamber. (Kunkel)1
The water-saturated subterranean chamber transmits shock waves to the ceiling.
There was an air/gas removal line in the northwest area of the subterranean chamber.
The air/gas removal line is connected to the niche in the Queen's chamber.
The air/gas removal line also perked water into Queen's chamber.
The well shaft functions as water return line from the Queen's chamber.
The well shaft minimizes the reverse pulse in the descending passage.
The grotto functioned as an expansion chamber to limit reverse pulse.
The subterranean chamber's antechamber functioned as an acoustic filter.
There is water output through the “dead end” shaft.
The water output may have been connected to with the "water shaft".
There is a check valve at the end of the ”dead end” shaft.
A gate valve was the fine-tuning mechanism for the standing wave in the wastegate line.
The pit is connected via tunnel to a wastegate in front of the "Sphinx Temple" (Nile River).

http://sentinelkennels.com/Research_Article_V41.html

Hows that for 3500bc technology?

And Greeks were claiming brilliance... :)

Horn

22nd April 2014, 01:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuUMe-43A3E

singular_me

22nd April 2014, 05:28 PM

so lets see what the mainstream source like wikipedia says... is it *really* conclusive?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza
Egyptian pyramid construction techniques:
Many alternative, often contradictory, theories have been proposed regarding the pyramid's construction techniques.[23] Many disagree on whether the blocks were dragged, lifted, or even rolled into place. The Greeks believed that slave labour was used, but modern discoveries made at nearby workers' camps associated with construction at Giza suggest it was built instead by tens of thousands of skilled workers. Verner posited that the labour was organized into a hierarchy, consisting of two gangs of 100,000 men, divided into five zaa or phyle of 20,000 men each, which may have been further divided according to the skills of the workers.[24]

anyobody watched the movie 10,000BC? ROFLOL
(just replace mammoths with elephants)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uZAOd6BFG4

singular_me

22nd April 2014, 05:41 PM

Thats the most rational explaination I have ever come across until now and would like to believe it. The ideal at this stage is to find people who used this technic on a grand scale wth great success... so it doesnt remain just a theory.

This guy has a scale model running as a generator in his backyard.

You can see how high he's able to pump, and still has residual compression energy thump I guess he claims could be harvested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfncpRxemKI#t=293

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SUMMARY
The walled enclosure around the Great Pyramid was a moat.
The water supply for the moat provided more water than the Great Pyramid consumed.
The causeway removed the excess water.
The subterranean chamber is not an air compression chamber. (Kunkel)1
The water-saturated subterranean chamber transmits shock waves to the ceiling.
There was an air/gas removal line in the northwest area of the subterranean chamber.
The air/gas removal line is connected to the niche in the Queen's chamber.
The air/gas removal line also perked water into Queen's chamber.
The well shaft functions as water return line from the Queen's chamber.
The well shaft minimizes the reverse pulse in the descending passage.
The grotto functioned as an expansion chamber to limit reverse pulse.
The subterranean chamber's antechamber functioned as an acoustic filter.
There is water output through the “dead end” shaft.
The water output may have been connected to with the "water shaft".
There is a check valve at the end of the ”dead end” shaft.
A gate valve was the fine-tuning mechanism for the standing wave in the wastegate line.
The pit is connected via tunnel to a wastegate in front of the "Sphinx Temple" (Nile River).

http://sentinelkennels.com/Research_Article_V41.html

Hows that for 3500bc technology?

And Greeks were claiming brilliance... :)

aeondaze

22nd April 2014, 05:42 PM

They say that since the pyramids of Giza were built about 4500 years ago, people back then couldn’t have been skilled enough to do it. However, we’re ignoring that numerous remarkable developments were happening all those millennia ago. There are many things that were discovered in the distant past that still serve us today. The Egyptians made many brilliant innovations (something I will have to write more about in another post)—simple things that we still use today, which have barely changed over the millennia since they first conceived, from the earliest forms of paper and ink, to the 24 hour day.

People say that since we wouldn’t be able to build pyramids today, that the Egyptians couldn’t have done it, but it’s not just building of the pyramids that couldn’t be replicated today. It’s hard to imagine ever being able to pull together the resources, power, money, skilled craftsmen, and architects needed to build one of the great gothic cathedrals in this day and age. It just couldn’t happen. This isn’t something to be ashamed of though, we simply use different technologies and have different priorities these days. While we couldn’t build another Notre Dame Cathedral or Great Pyramid, modern structures like the Eiffel Tower or the Gherkin wouldn’t have been possible back then either. Pyramids were possible simply because the entire economy, resources, and population of the Egyptian civilization was under the control of a single omnipotent ruler, who could mobilize them all into a monumental building project.

To argue that just because we don’t know every detail about how the pyramids were built would be a logical fallacy—an argument from ignorance—and does not prove that aliens must have built them. We have so much evidence that strongly indicates that the Egyptians themselves were responsible for building the pyramids. We have archaeological evidence of their construction—remains of the quarries, roads, tools, records of the workers and the towns in which they lived. We know why they built them and we can even observe their lengthy and imperfect evolution before they reached their architectural peak with the Great Pyramid.

There you have it, just because we don't know every minute detail, doesn't mean aliens built them. Only a willfully ignorant person would believe such an illogical fallacy.

Your answers as to why archaeologists freely admit the age of Gobekli Tepe at 10,500 BC but they lie about the pyramids is nothing short of a preposterous. You have no decent answer for this because the pyramids aren't 10,000 years old.

As I've stated, The existasnce of Gebekli Tepe destroys your argument that scientists lie about the age of the pyramids, they just simply don't.

singular_me

22nd April 2014, 07:23 PM

this is ridiculous because we have the data about how catherals, eiffel tower or gherkin were built. We have absolutely nothing about the pyramids. Egyptians left nada behind... or wait maybe the documents mysteriously landed in Rome after the burning of the Library of Alexendria - and have been stored in Vatican's vault later on ???

Nice try, Aeondaze :)

While we couldn’t build another Notre Dame Cathedral or Great Pyramid, modern structures like the Eiffel Tower or the Gherkin wouldn’t have been possible back then either. Pyramids were possible simply because the entire economy, resources, and population of the Egyptian civilization was under the control of a single omnipotent ruler, who could mobilize them all into a monumental building project.

-------------the Power That Were at works again-----------

What Happened to the Great Ancient Library of Alexandria?
Oct 30, 2013
First founded by the Ptolemy dynasty in 290 BC, the Great Library was located in the palace district known as Brucheion in northern ancient Egypt. At the time, Alexandria was the largest city in the western world, the center of the papyrus producing industry, and the hub for the trade of books. Although it is unclear the exact dimensions or content of the library, some archeologists estimate that there was 600,000 scrolls housed within its walls. The library flourished for centuries with grammarians, physicians, mathematicians, historians, poets, astronomers, and geographers on staff to make the Great Library of Alexandria the heart of cultural and intellectual development in the ancient world....

The three major suspects in questioning for the destruction of the monumental library remain Julius Caesar, Caliph Omar, and Bishop Theophilus.

Who Was The Culprit?

Despite popular belief, historians indicate that there was no immense fire 2,000 years ago that caused the loss of the great library’s voluminous works. Although it has been falsely claimed as the greatest catastrophe in the ancient world, it is possible that the infamous fire did not happen on such a grand scale. Instead, new evidences suggests that the destruction and demise occured gradually over a period of centuries, with several documented fires over the span of hundreds of years.

In 89 BC, large regions of Alexandria were burned to the ground as Egypt was torn into a civil battle under Ptolemy VIII. With the next fire in 47 BC, Julius Caesar and his Roman soldiers invaded ancient Egypt and burned the harbor, along with an estimated 40,000 books. Since the Greek geographer Strabo mentioned the library in some of his writings well after this time, it is unlikely that the library was wholly destroyed during this debacle.

Nearly 300 years later in 273 AD, Roman Emperor Aurelian conquered Egypt and burned a percentage of Alexandria, including the Brucheion district that housed the Great Library. Fearing the pagan temples within Egypt, Bishop Theophilus of Alexandria demanded that a mob of Egyptians destroy the temple at Serapis and burn down all of the pagan books that were stored within the daughter library. Finally, a last fire is documented to have blazed through Alexandria in 645 AD when the Muslim Caliph Omar invaded the Egyptian land. It is rumored that Omar wanted to destroy all of the library’s books because they were not consistent with the Muslim Koran, so the soldiers used the scrolls to fuel the hot water for their baths.
http://www.access2knowledge.org/history-politics/what-happened-to-the-great-ancient-library-of-alexandria/

Horn

22nd April 2014, 09:05 PM

Egypt appears as a civilization which was gifted with some ancient higher level of technology,

then steadily lost that ancient technology thru its dynasty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAaAwpGWGMY

Obviously a moat around that thing.

Horn

22nd April 2014, 10:02 PM

Evidence of on site quarrying, good vid here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joGpn53W_y4&list=UUOavg1FtdeuyUTLz3wmuIKQ

Published on Apr 13, 2014
See the compelling evidence in this video that ancient machines assisted in the construction of the Giza pyramids of Egypt. Long believed that slaves made them, you will see the actual tool marks and massive stone blocks that were hewn out of the bedrock in order to make these masterpieces that may be 12,000 or more years old...http://khemitology.com/

Horn

22nd April 2014, 10:26 PM

singular will dig this one. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E2LDcXi4No

aeondaze

23rd April 2014, 02:07 AM

singular will dig this one. :)

haha, yeah if theres one thing you guys really love its an orgy or stupidity!

:D

singular_me

23rd April 2014, 09:50 AM

yes, compelling... may predate the inca by thousands of years... the catalysm hypothesis make more sense by the day in my mind.

singular will dig this one. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E2LDcXi4No

Horn

23rd April 2014, 10:16 AM

Undeniably as long as it takes to gain, record and perfect a technology,

it takes a relatively lesser amount of time to lose it. Egypt's history is a testament to it.

Life under the Pharoah's lock box tech. magic was/is the example they don't want stated, because its the pattern they use for controlling most of the planet today. What's the first thing someone would think of doing with a new tech. discovery today?

Take it to the king for patent & copyright protection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuGjC4LNuM0

http://www.ancientlosttreasures.com/_Images/_2010/20100307_0012.jpg

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http://www.gizapower.com/LoTeAnArticle.htm

Horn

23rd April 2014, 01:26 PM

haha, yeah if theres one thing you guys really love its an orgy

:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCf53ses22w

singular_me

23rd April 2014, 03:43 PM

I dont think egypt (and other ancient advanced cultures) lost it in the sense that they forgot about it, but it may have become clear very quickly back then that this knowledge had to remain highly secret (occult). It took centuries to remove everything from sight, one step at the time. But since perfection doesnt exist, some of this knowledge was passed on by insiders and survived as 'fringe/heretic/esoteric materials' nonetheless.

Horn

23rd April 2014, 10:25 PM

Probably the cocaine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCbyFZQh3EI

Is it me or is william shatner an Olmec? :)

Horn

24th April 2014, 10:33 PM

Misspelling intentional, my estimation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roX__kFKUjo

Glass

25th April 2014, 01:02 AM

interesting presentation. Well worth a look.

singular_me

25th April 2014, 05:32 AM

having such a small internet package where I am house sitting is frustrating but will download some of the last vids in this thread at the library by next tue or wed.

Horn

25th April 2014, 10:55 AM

The orientation configuration also relates to some sort of pumping, or generation process.

Redundancy is built-in with the two large pyramids, along with an overload feed or backup system with the additional smaller 3rd pyramid. Possibly a tertiary or refinement process.

equineluvr

25th April 2014, 06:55 PM

No, Im sure that they line up with Orion's belt, WHY is the reason. We know that it was not slave labor moving and cutting fucking granite stones over hundreds of years... shits fucking rediculous. How were they moved? How were they CUT? I read about the pyrimids in south america incan teritory, story goes they tryed to move A giant stone and 15,000 people died when they lost control of it, shits documented. To have them lined up all over the world , and in a time when there was no tech to do that supposetly. Something we don't know of has gone on.

It may have been more easily than we think...

VIDEO: Man Moves Huge Blocks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4

(Sorry, I'm a new poster here and haven't learned how to embed yet.)

singular_me

25th April 2014, 08:45 PM

very interesting... but building huge pyramids involves serious maths.

It may have been more easily than we think...

VIDEO: Man Moves Huge Blocks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4

(Sorry, I'm a new poster here and haven't learned how to embed yet.)

aeondaze

25th April 2014, 09:09 PM

very interesting... but building huge pyramids involves serious maths.

Yep proves it doable, so there goes that theory!

As far as the maths goes, no there is nothing serious about it, certainly nothing serious enough that bronze age man could not have done it lol. A set square, star alignment and a plumb bob and away you go. There is good evidence that they used water to obtain levels, like a spirit level today.

You guys need there to be some great mystery to validate your theory, but this poster just proved how stupid you all look, haha :D

Horn

25th April 2014, 09:57 PM

http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Buddha http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=704733#post704733)
No, Im sure that they line up with Orion's belt, WHY is the reason. We know that it was not slave labor moving and cutting fucking granite stones over hundreds of years... shits fucking rediculous. How were they moved? How were they CUT?

Bronze age tools product, Stonehenge

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vs. the unexplained chamber blocks left untouched by pharonic archaeologist's minimal cranial capacity.

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Really the only stupidity is in any way shape or form comparing the two.

equineluvr

25th April 2014, 10:53 PM

very interesting... but building huge pyramids involves serious maths.

Of course it did! And those NEANDERTHALS -- with their HUGE parietal lobes -- were (and ARE) certainly capable of it!!

singular_me

26th April 2014, 05:44 AM

look at Horn's posting above... the bronze age, no comparison between stonehenge and inca/egyptian/chinese pyramids. You just have an aversion for the Unexplained...

here are 2 pix of structures made in the bronze age, in EU, for which I could see the technique shown in equineluvr's video

Bronze Age Dolman Complex on Black Sea Coast
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2bHEZwjSHD4/UqYUzEn4IVI/AAAAAAAAbU8/_VK-AI1qI9I/s1600/53.jpg

Dolmende Menga Bronze Age burial mound, Antequera. Malaga - spain
http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/1x8601294/dolmen_de_menga_bronze_age_burial_mound_antequera_ malaga_province_andalucia_spain_N28-749927.jpg

Yep proves it doable, so there goes that theory!

As far as the maths goes, no there is nothing serious about it, certainly nothing serious enough that bronze age man could not have done it lol. A set square, star alignment and a plumb bob and away you go. There is good evidence that they used water to obtain levels, like a spirit level today.

You guys need there to be some great mystery to validate your theory, but this poster just proved how stupid you all look, haha :D

singular_me

26th April 2014, 05:50 AM

your assumption that a neanderthals type of human species did build pyramids is baffling to say the least. :)

Of course it did! And those NEANDERTHALS -- with their HUGE parietal lobes -- were (and ARE) certainly capable of it!!

Santa

26th April 2014, 07:13 AM

your assumption that a neanderthals type of human species did build pyramids is baffling to say the least. :)

I think perhaps equineluvr was being 'tongue in cheek'....perhaps alluding to evidence that khazar "jews" have neanderthal dna. I could be wrong, though.

By the way, welcome, equine.

Horn

26th April 2014, 09:49 AM

French Neanderthals were hard pressed to reproduce the precision and accuracy of the great pyramid.

Precision of the Egyptian Pyramids

The precision with which the Pyramid of Khufu (the Great Pyramid) was executed is often the source of marvel and speculation. The orientation of the Great Pyramid in relationship to true north is such as to cause it to be declared the "most accurately oriented edifice on earth." That is to say, its four sides are directed to the four cardinal points of the compass with less than 3 minutes of one degree off true north [the Second Pyramid of Giza exhibits a consistent accuracy of alignment which is also extremely impressive: just 6 arc minutes from true north].
By comparison, the Paris Observatory is 6 minutes of one degree off true north.

The pyramid's base is level within 2.5 cm, with the only difference in the length of the sides being 4.4 cm.

http://www.ancientx.com/nm/anmviewer.asp?a=76&z=1

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Neuro

26th April 2014, 04:02 PM

I am back! Just been to my bug out land for a week nearly. Started installing a small solar system, with a motorcycle battery which is powering some 30 12 V led lights... Amazing to get some light in there which is not dependent on burning hydrocarbons. The solar panel is just 12" x 16", but on an average day it will provide enough power to charge the battery. And the battery is enough to power all 30 lights for 4 hours, and charge an iPod or an iPad. Life is good anyway, just realized my son who is 10 is a very good chess player who I had great difficulty beating.

Anyway now I don't have any time to respond to any of the posts, but I will get to it later. Sorry for the derail.

Horn

26th April 2014, 05:15 PM

I am back! Just been to my bug out land for a week nearly.

If there's a small stream nearby or downhill, you could pump some free energy water up to your cabina?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2kv8BUVy6E

Or try building your own pump with some copper diaphragm valve molds available at the link below.

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http://s8int.com/phile/page52.html

singular_me

26th April 2014, 09:06 PM

welcome back to the satus quo thread. :)

I am back! Just been to my bug out land for a week nearly. Started installing a small solar system, with a motorcycle battery which is powering some 30 12 V led lights... Amazing to get some light in there which is not dependent on burning hydrocarbons. The solar panel is just 12" x 16", but on an average day it will provide enough power to charge the battery. And the battery is enough to power all 30 lights for 4 hours, and charge an iPod or an iPad. Life is good anyway, just realized my son who is 10 is a very good chess player who I had great difficulty beating.

Anyway now I don't have any time to respond to any of the posts, but I will get to it later. Sorry for the derail.

Neuro

27th April 2014, 01:51 AM

No streams nearby, unfortunately. Now Mehmet the stonemason, fills up his tractor water tank at a stream, then drive the tractor to my stone house, which I am sure aliens constructed due to the straightness of the walls, puts the tanker at a point above my house water tank, and lets gravity do its work through a long PVC pipe, and I have 1.5 tons of water and a couple of grams less paper in my wallet. Mehmet Usta probably use some of that paper to put Diesel in his tractor, and ultimately it makes some Zionist Arabs laugh all the way to the Rothschild Bank, who somehow manage to siphon wads of paper to my patients to pay for my services... It is a totally selfsustainable system!

Horn

27th April 2014, 02:27 AM

which I am sure aliens constructed due to the straightness of the walls

Its racist to suggest that aliens would go through all that trouble for cottage cheese.

Neuro

27th April 2014, 04:43 AM

Its racist to suggest that aliens would go through all that trouble for cottage cheese.
Stop suggesting it then... :) Anyway I will have a long talk with Mehmet on which aliens he contacted to build my cottage... Typical of masons...

singular_me

27th April 2014, 06:22 AM

I dont think Horn is pushing the alien theory, yet until the equation is resolved, we ought to keep a open mind. I have stated many times that I have no problem to lean toward the cataclysm hypothesis, and that may be not be an hypothesis at all. Why should we trust mainstream academia' slow motion tectonic plates theory? Deserts are evidence that water receded abruptly.

why is it so difficult for you to imagine a planetary cataclysm as a strong possibility?

you should make a priority to find somebody who can ship you "secrets in plain sight" (or send it to you as an email attachment as the doc is also available by 10min segments on utube) , all about esoteric buildings all around the planet and how they relate to the pyramids' dimensions... 3,256,288 hits and growing... so until that happens, you really should speak more modestly. Not being able to access information, for whatever reason, will not prove you correct.

The ancient cultures' true history and mysteries will no be provided by mainstream academia as it is run by/for the freemasons/illuminati/NWO/bilderbergers/zionists (whatever you wanna call them), nor by anybody unable to stretch it.

I already posted Secrets In Plain Sight though because it is a long thread, I am posting it again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L777RhL_Fz4

here is some mind blowing geometry about the pyramids involving the Vesica Pisces (intersection of 2 circles) Giza is at equal distance from the north pole and the center of the earth. HOW could they have known this at the time the wheel had been more or less just been invented ??? ??? ??? ??? I wished I had the time to transcript this particular 8min segment for you, really... it is all about the Pi ratio... (Phi, the Golden Ratio, is also very important)

Phi, Pi and the - Great Pyramid of Egypt at Giza
http://www.goldennumber.net/phi-pi-great-pyramid-egypt/

10 Egypt Part 1 - Secrets in Plain Sight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPxlRkr1NY8

11 Egypt Part 2 - Secrets in Plain Sight (8mins)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vV72agbqwI

14 Rome Part 1 - Secrets in Plain Sight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8N_ecbH78o

Ancient Egyptian Elites knew about the Cosmos sooooo precisely - hence possessed esoteric (ie: secret) knowledge that does NOT come from cavemen , but managed to save that knowledge of a HIGHLY advanced past civilization that was destroyed (or outer space)

16 Esoteric Astronomy - Secrets in Plain Sight (7MINS)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2LJUjsCRM

Feel free to rationally disagree and/or admit that looking into the topic is the least preoccupation of yours - but if you continue to ridicule it, I will have to apply the quote below to any of your statements from now on.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)

Secrets In Plain Sight presents how patterns in number, sacred geometry, musical harmony, and astronomy are encoded in ancient and modern cities ..
www.secretsinplainsight.com
http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/blog/

aeondaze

27th April 2014, 07:06 AM

I have stated many times that I lean toward the cataclysm hypothesis, and that may be not be an hypothesis at all. Why should we trust mainstream academia' slow motion tectonic places theory?

What alternate theory to plate techtonics do you suggest? How the fuck do you get sea fossils here in these mountains?

http://www.t-rat.com/images/GeologicalHistoryGrandCanyon/camPennstrat.jpg

Deserts are evidence that water receded abruptly. No desseerts are evidence of desertification, why do I feel like I'm always dealing with someone who has a kangaroo loose in the top paddock?

why is it so difficult for you to imagine a cataclysm as a strong possibility?

A strong possibility of what? Why are your questions as vague as the wind itself and lack ANY substance?

you should make a priority to find somebody who can ship you "secret in plain sight" so until that happens, you really should speak more modestly. Not being able to access information, for whatever reason, will not prove you correct.

This is rich I have to say, coming from someone who doesn't have a single modest bone in their body and underservedly shouts righteously about the most STUPID fucking theories there are.

The ancient cultures' true history and mysteries will no be provided by mainstream academia as it is run by/for the freemasons/illuminati/NWO/bilderbergers (whatever you wanna call them), nor by anybody unable to stretch it.

No, they control the world of governments and geopolitics, not the quaint archaeologist quietly digging up devonian strata high on a mountainside. You are so BLINDED by your own prejudice, you let them win when you carry on like a lunatic about these theories of your's. At some point you have to draw a line in the sand and clearly you seem unable to do that. As far as your concerned EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. Your mind is so siezed up with this rot that you completely ignore and write off anything that can be PROVEN with your OWN eyes, ears and logical thought. Yet you are prepared to accept what cannot be proven, which you have admited several times, wihtout even thinking for a millisecond that maybe this is controled by them. Why don't you consider the very real possibility that all these outlandish and unprovable theories are adavnced by these same masons/illuminate? This is as plausibale as any of your theories, maybe more so actually...

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here is some mind blowing geometry about the pyramids involving the Vesica Pisces (intersection of 2 circles) Giza is at equal distance from the north pole and the center of the earth. HOW could they know this at the time the wheel had been more or less just been invented ??? ??? ??? ??? I wished I had the time to transcript this particular 8min segment for you, really... it is all about the Pi ratio... (Phi is also very important)

When was the wheel invented then? You seem to have this one wrapped up, so lets put a date on it...Also why do you presuppose that the invention of the wheel predates the understanding of it as a mathematical model, surely these two thing may have coincided and in all probability did!

See its the way your mind works which is your greateset impediment to truely understanding the world, if you could jetison your extreme prejudice for a minute or two, you may actually achieve a base level of real oneness with the world, however your mind just crawls around the gutter trapped in its own claustraphoebic dark age of ignorance and paranoid mania. Its actually quite comical to watch the gears turning in your little pea brain, lol:D

"Secrets in Plain Sight" oh the irony, I do love this one, it is so appreopriate for your intelectual dilema...:p

aeondaze

27th April 2014, 07:20 AM

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)

Yeah but theres one BIG catch, it has to be the truth. What you peddle just ain't, lol

:rolleyes:

singular_me

27th April 2014, 07:30 AM

What alternate theory to plate techtonics do you suggest? How the fuck do you get sea fossils here in these mountains?

finding fossils there is the evidence that fish/animals were caught by surprise, couldnt escape and got crushed suddenly by emerging mountains :)

if one agrees with past advanced civilizations destroyed by a pole shift-like cataclysm, the slow motion tectonic plates falls apart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel
ps: The oldest securely dated wheel-axle combination, that from Stare Gmajne near Ljubljana in Slovenia (Ljubljana Marshes Wooden Wheel) is now dated in 2σ-limits to 3340-3030 cal BC, the axle to 3360-3045 cal BC [3] The earliest well-dated depiction of a wheeled vehicle (here a wagon—four wheels, two axles) is on the Bronocice pot, a c. 3500 – 3350 BC clay pot excavated in a Funnelbeaker culture settlement in southern Poland.[4]

The wheeled vehicle spread from the area of its first occurrence (Mesopotamia, Caucasus, Balkans, Central Europe) across Eurasia, reaching the Indus Valley by the 3rd millennium BC. During the 2nd millennium BC, the spoke-wheeled chariot spread at an increased pace, reaching both China and Scandinavia by 1200 BC.

In China, the wheel was certainly present with the adoption of the chariot in c. 1200 BC,[5] although Barbieri-Low[6] argues for earlier Chinese wheeled vehicles, c. 2000 BC.

The invention of the wheel thus falls in the late Neolithic, and may be seen in conjunction with other technological advances that gave rise to the early Bronze Age.

so yes, how could they have possessed such a HIGH mathematical knowledge when the wheel had more or less JUST been invented....

try to resolve this Aeondaze :)

aeondaze

27th April 2014, 07:41 AM

finding fossils there is the evidence that fish/animals were caught by surprise, couldnt escape and got crushed :)
if one agrees with past advanced civilizations destroyed by a pole shift-like cataclysm, the slow motion tectonic plates falls apart.

How the fuck do you arrive at this legendary piece of scintilating drivel?

so yes, how could they have possessed such a HIGH mathematical knowledge when the wheel had more or less JUST been invented....
try to resolve this Aeondaze :)

Why do you assume this is high mathematical knowlegde. Your assertions are just plain stupid. Fucking ten year olds learn about Pi and while it is awesome in and of itself, its not HIGH fucking mathematics.

And yes I strongly assert that the invention of the wheel VERY closely correlates with its mathematical understanding. What proof do you have to counter this?

You try to sound important and learned but you come off looking VERY stupid time and again...sucks to be you...:(

aeondaze

27th April 2014, 07:49 AM

At some point you have to draw a line in the sand and clearly you seem unable to do that. As far as your concerned EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. Your mind is so siezed up with this rot that you completely ignore and write off anything that can be PROVEN with your OWN eyes, ears and logical thought. Yet you are prepared to accept what cannot be proven, which you have admited several times, wihtout even thinking for a millisecond that maybe this is controled by them. Why don't you consider the very real possibility that all these outlandish and unprovable theories are adavnced by these same masons/illuminate? This is as plausibale as any of your theories, maybe more so actually...

See its the way your mind works which is your greateset impediment to truely understanding the world, if you could jetison your extreme prejudice for a minute or two, you may actually achieve a base level of real oneness with the world, however your mind just crawls around the gutter trapped in its own claustraphoebic dark age of ignorance and paranoid mania. Its actually quite comical to watch the gears turning in your little pea brain, lol:D

See what I mean, you're missing the most important bits of information, I'm trying to help you here, trying to grasp deep within that moronic brain of your's and draw you to the light, but you refuse to take the grain of truth that lies within the post...

singular_me

27th April 2014, 08:13 AM

At some point you have to draw a line in the sand and clearly you seem unable to do that. As far as your concerned EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. Your mind is so siezed up with this rot that you completely ignore and write off anything that can be PROVEN with your OWN eyes, ears and logical thought. .... however your mind just crawls around the gutter trapped in its own claustraphoebic dark age of ignorance and paranoid mania.

but aeondaze, it is the modern digital dark age out there... NOTHING has changed over the millennia, top elites are still controlling past, present and future knowledge: bioengineering, weather modifications (geoengineering), banking cartel, population reduction, etc ... do you agree here or not, because if you dont, you are totally mind controlled, I am afraid. What are you doing on GSUS, which is a forum that is exposing ALL the above with HARD facts?

the pyramid is still there embedded into the freemasonic emblem and the zionist flag. Hard to disprove.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)

you are in stage #2
soon in stage 3# ? (watch "secrets in plain sight" to get there, its a documentary filled with hard facts)

what are you afraid of? To see everything fall apart? Dont worry it is coming anyway :(

aeondaze

27th April 2014, 08:22 AM

but aeondaze, it is the modern dark age out there... NOTHING has changed over the millennia, top elites are still controlling past, present and future knowledge: bioengineering, weather modifications, banking cartel, etc ... do you agree here or not, because if you dont, you are totally mind controlled, I am afraid.

the pyramid is still there embedded in freemasomny emblem and the zionist flag. Hard to disprove.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)

you are in stage #2

SOCIALLY its a modern dark age I agree , technologically though, we're at our peak!

Look to be frank I do think there is a mystery to be solved in relation to the eye of horus and pyramid adorning the dollar bill and I agree that the masonic imagery is overwhelming. ALL AROUND US EVEN.

I don't know if I can forgive you for enough of your bullshit theories and reluctance to look at things from another angel to be frank with you. Your theories are unecesarily burdened with a morass of exestential weight that I just don't think it deserves. I would be willing to chat about this for REAL, but you have to let go of some of this stuff because it just bogs things down - you give it weight it doesn't deserve and therefore some supernatural credence that defies any real logical approach to explaining the mystery of why these symbols permeate our society.

If you respond in a decent way I will explain my theory...

aeondaze

27th April 2014, 08:31 AM

you are in stage #2
soon in stage 3# ? (watch "secrets in plain sight" to get there, its a documentary filled with hard facts)

what are you afraid of? To see everything fall apart? Dont worry it is coming anyway :(

You do know you're a patronising fuckwit?

There aint stages of this or that, Life is exacly what it is. What you see is what you get, remember "Secrets hidden in plain sight" lol

I'm not driven by fear, you're projecting 'cause thats the only thing you seem to understand.

Yeah sure its coming, at a positively glacial speed....

aeondaze

27th April 2014, 08:38 AM

Stop modifying your posts.

What are you afraid of?

Neuro

27th April 2014, 09:49 AM

I suppose one could also ridicule and violently oppose lies also...

Horn

27th April 2014, 09:49 AM

11 Egypt Part 1 - Secrets in Plain Sight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vV72agbqwI

I'm with mick on this one, there are no moon. :)

Horn

27th April 2014, 10:05 AM

If you respond in a decent way I will explain my theory...

You do know you're a patronising fuckwit?

Talk about illogical fallacy.

Neuro

27th April 2014, 10:13 AM

Singular me:

I cant defend quantum theories as I am not an physicist, BUT I can tell you that the *All That Is* is as much ruled by the Visible as the Invisible. And those discarding the Invisible for the sake of rationality, our 3D reality, will always be proven wrong. There will always be things we cannot see (and know), regardless how hard we look into them.
Well this really sums it up in a way, unless you can see it and somehow reliably measure a phenomenon you are dealing with theology in terms of describing a phenomenon, not science. Most religious people have this tendency to suppose their religious theories are way superior to others, and really there is little reason to argue about religious theories because you have no common ground in terms of facts. Certainly in terms of the pyramids there is some interesting anomalies re their position and the precision of their construction, and I would keep an open mind to them perhaps being older and being built by a previous unknown advanced civilization on earth, and later they were hijacked by 4th Dynasty of Egypt. But there is also plenty of evidence that actually the 4th dynasty built them...

Horn

27th April 2014, 10:17 AM

But there is also plenty of evidence that actually the 4th dynasty built them...

Where?

Most is circumstantial only.

Neuro

27th April 2014, 10:53 AM

Where?

Most is circumstantial only.
Well I recall a few evidences being discussed in this thread, stones being inscribed with 4th Dynasty hieroglyphs as part of its construction data, hieroglyphics describing how they were built, carbon dating of remains inside. The progression of building knowledge from earlier less perfect pyramids... Certainly I have not in detail examined these evidences, but on the other hand they have not been seriously challenged either (small variation in C14 decay in relation to intensity of the sun, wouldn't really set back the building of the pyramids by more than double)... But you can't really argue against someone claiming esoteric knowledge as foundation for claims...

singular_me

27th April 2014, 11:09 AM

as long as the average people dont know about something it will be called esoteric, which merely means "intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people", so every time you see this word, plz adjust accordingly...

where is the knowledge presented in Secret In Plain Sight is coming from? How did ancient egyptians know the distance from the pole to the center of the earth (determined by the vesica pices: ) when the wheel had barely been invented... any idea ???

so under those circumstances, Neuro, one has to admit that this knowledge escapes us... hence is called esoteric. Knowledge that the top power that be understand perfectly and embed n everything around us, from corporate logos to modern architecture. So why are the elites so BENT on it ??? You may pretend that it is not there to suit your argument, but sorry, it **is** there, **hidden** in plain sight.... look better

you just make a big deal about a simple word that the PTBs has taught us to ostracize:
Esotericism (or esoterism) signifies the holding of esoteric opinions or beliefs,[1] that is, ideas preserved or understood by a small group of those specially initiated, or of rare or unusual interest.[2]

But you can't really argue against someone claiming esoteric knowledge as foundation for claims...

Neuro

27th April 2014, 11:23 AM

Maybe ancient Egyptians didn't know the distance to North Pole and center of the earth, but they happened to live in Egypt which just happened to be at equal distance from each other Giza was pretty much in the middle of their empire along the Nile, which flooded regularly making it ideal for farming, sunny days and good access to water and nutritients to the crop... Such abundance of crops and a sizable portion of the population could be set aside for less fundamental needs of survival. Not strange a civilization starts at such a place...

singular_me

27th April 2014, 11:30 AM

Spirituality IS Science...and otherwise... we call Spirituality (or Esoterism) what we can't understand until we find out. So yes, I do acknowledge that I/we do/can NOT know everything and that neglecting is factor is setting up oneself for a delusion.

You make me think of Aeondaze claiming that mainstream academic knowledge is at its apogee... really ???

Understanding the origins of ancient egypt = understanding how/why top elites havent changed since the beginning of mankind. Or by default 4000 BC as claimed by historians protecting the interests of freemasons, jesuits and the zionists.

Singular me:

Well this really sums it up in a way, unless you can see it and somehow reliably measure a phenomenon you are dealing with theology in terms of describing a phenomenon, not science. Most religious people have this tendency to suppose their religious theories are way superior to others, and really there is little reason to argue about religious theories because you have no common ground in terms of facts. Certainly in terms of the pyramids there is some interesting anomalies re their position and the precision of their construction, and I would keep an open mind to them perhaps being older and being built by a previous unknown advanced civilization on earth, and later they were hijacked by 4th Dynasty of Egypt. But there is also plenty of evidence that actually the 4th dynasty built them...

singular_me

27th April 2014, 11:35 AM

Make no sense at all as the "Orion aligned pyramids" are buildings that didnt pop up out of the blue, such a mathematical hard evidence is too obvious to be ignored.

Maybe ancient Egyptians didn't know the distance to North Pole and center of the earth, but they happened to live in Egypt which just happened to be at equal distance from each other Giza was pretty much in the middle of their empire along the Nile, which flooded regularly making it ideal for farming, sunny days and good access to water and nutritients to the crop... Such abundance of crops and a sizable portion of the population could be set aside for less fundamental needs of survival. Not strange a civilization starts at such a place...

Horn

27th April 2014, 11:40 AM

hieroglyphics describing how they were built, carbon dating of remains inside. The progression of building knowledge from earlier less perfect pyramids...

hieroglyphics that were reported or purported to describe how the pyramids were built, have no evidence relation with regards to the pyramids contained in them. They are of egyptians moving blocks on a sled is all, as far as I am aware there is no official record.

Carbon dating remains inside is circumstantial at best, as you would also find my nameplate on my door, and much carbon evidence. not evidently pointing directly to me being responsible for its construction.

The notion that there were "earlier examples" is in fact notional only.

singular_me

27th April 2014, 11:43 AM

I am not modifying them, just phrasing them better... wait 5 to 10 minutes, so you will know that what you read is the last version.

also while talking , other things come to mind, so I keep adding...

Stop modifying your posts.

What are you afraid of?

Neuro

27th April 2014, 11:47 AM

Make no sense at all as the "Orion aligned pyramids" are buildings that didnt pop up out of the blue, such a mathematical hard evidence is too obvious to be ignored.
No it didn't pop up out of the blue at all, it popped out in the middle of Egypt, the ultimate farmland of the world at the time... If the superior farmland hadn't been located in the middle of Egypt, I am sure an esoteric 'scientist', could have discovered another hard mathematical correlation re its position to deepen the 'mystery'... Maybe the positions just mirror the position of Orion when the Pharaoh god person died?

Neuro

27th April 2014, 11:56 AM

Horn

27th April 2014, 12:21 PM

vs. the unexplained chamber blocks left untouched by pharonic archaeologist's minimal cranial capacity.

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Really the only stupidity is in any way shape or form comparing the two.

The only fact evidence that remains, is that this work cannot be completed with an ancient egyptian's tool box.

Nor the precision alignment duplicated within the number of 4th dynasty years given, by even current construction technology.

Willing to idly believe otherwise, is evidence of tainted love by the beholder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNaTwf63uqw

singular_me

27th April 2014, 12:50 PM

The bent pyramid (2600 BC) due to its shape makes it more believable that could have been built by the ancient egyptians. I am saying "could". there is NO comparison with the other ones.

First attempt... or imitation ??? edit: this guy really writes whatever. IMO

The Bent Pyramid at Dahshur

The Bent Pyramid at Dahshur is very significant historically. Earlier attempts at building these massive structures had revolved around step pyramids, like Zoser's step pyramid at Saqqara, about 10 kilometers north of Dahshur, but the Bent Pyramid is the Egyptians' first attempt to build what we now think of as a "typical" pyramid.
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel/Egypt/Dahshur/BentPyramid/
http://www.ehabweb.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/070309-365.jpg

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/Travel/Egypt/BentPyramidFromTheWest1.jpg

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/Travel/Egypt/GizaPyramids1.jpg

I also would tend to think that the smaller pyramids seen here could have been built by the ancient egyptians... and if there ever are any hieroglyphs mentioning how they were built (which I doubt, there are no hieroglyphs about it), they could be the ones they talk about.

Hypertiger

27th April 2014, 12:58 PM

again the warning is that the fire age comes before the ice age.

since you need massive heat to power the creation of the water vapor which is the most powerful green house gas...to supply the moisture to the poles to create the glaciers...

The poles are ruled by the black hole of the Universe...that is when the cold death which wants to be hot life...pours in and claws it's way down trying to reach the equator...eating all the heat...life...to power it's continued existence.

The equator is ruled by the Sun of GOD.

basically where the sun is shining or providing the most power...is the top...or absolute 1 point on the planet or summer...connected to the absolute zero point on the planet...where winter is ruling.

basically there is a rise up to absolute 1 point followed by a fall all the way down to the absolute 0 point

the suns radiation...is being pulled out of the sun out into the black hole of the Universe.

you all...are just slaves ruled by masters and have zero clue about what is really going on...you all exist to serve the masters above you...that pretend to be you friends...until it becomes impossible to maintain the charade...and then they turn into your enemies.

in science there is...visible and invisible

In religion there is temporal and spiritual.

Science is a derivative of religion.

just as

credit is a derivative of money.

According to the historical record...you all have been searching for something you do not want to find...for 1000's and 1000's of years now.

A lie powerful enough to defeat Truth...to become Truth and obtain absolute power over all and everything.

You will never find what you are looking for...but you all keep telling me over an over again that there is not anything impossible if you put you mind to it...and if at first you do not succeed...try try again.

the fastest way to prove yourself right is to prove yourself wrong

the slowest way to prove yourself wrong is to prove yourself right.

it's why recorded history is so massive...it is the record of your constant attempt to prove yourslevs right...and always failing in the end....at the logical conclusion of the reasonable assumption.

with the reasonable assumption being the lie you believe is Truth...that you can fallen in love with and are following.

the cherished delusion...and you will fight to the death to defend what you cherish from harm.

the belief you are right.

that is what happens at the logical conclusion of defeat...of the reasonable assumption of victory.

There is never a lasting victory over lies while the war against truth has no exit strategy and always ends in defeat.

ignorance of Truth is the root of all evil.

you all only see the visible chaos or noise of the graphical user interface...that hides the invisible order of the basic system or signal operating in the background.

as far as I can tell after years on message boards...The only thing I've learned...is that you all log on seeking support for or to promote your cherished delusions...positive reinforcement of your ignorance of Truth.

you are not trying to find Truth...since truth shatters your cherished delusions which are positive...with Truth being negative.

the just think/embrace positive ignore/reject negative religion you have embraced....keeps you searching your whole life for something you do not want to find...death.

Death of the lie you believe is Truth.

Truth is the supply of the demand for power by the paradox or lie that wants to become Truth and never die.

you all are constantly trying to obtain victory or YES...and NO is defeat.

You all basically spend your existences fighting to the death to remain asleep (ignorant of Truth) to continue to enjoy the daydream (cherished delusion/lie you believe is Truth) that you are awake (knowledgeable of Truth)

of course according to the program you are following...you will fight to the death trying to prove me wrong.

and you only have that glorious privilege...because I became visible...as long as I remain invisible...you will continue on your merry way...oblivious.

so then you all want to be alone but surrounded by people...you want to be master and surrounded by 100% obedient play things...you want you cake an eat it too.

Like the dog whisperer...being pulled around to the bright glorious future by his ignorant loyal slaves.

Cats are not dumb...Dogs are though compared to cats...That is why Dogs followed by Women are mans best friend.

Neuro

27th April 2014, 01:02 PM

hieroglyphics that were reported or purported to describe how the pyramids were built, have no evidence relation with regards to the pyramids contained in them. They are of egyptians moving blocks on a sled is all, as far as I am aware there is no official record.

Carbon dating remains inside is circumstantial at best, as you would also find my nameplate on my door, and much carbon evidence. not evidently pointing directly to me being responsible for its construction.

The notion that there were "earlier examples" is in fact notional only.
Sure I agree with what you are saying, and as I said I keep an open mind to them being older. Present evidence that they are, and I'll agree with it. The notion that they were placed were they were because of the ORION position of spring equinox of 10,500 BC is very flimsy in terms of evidence, as the alignment probably happened 10's of thousands of times since then at other times the pyramid builders may have considered more important than the spring equinox. It could have been the midnight position instead of sunset/rise, or midwinter/summer solstice, or time of death/birth of the particular pharaoh god the pyramids were supposed to celebrate, or any other time the builder commissioner decided important.

singular_me

27th April 2014, 01:05 PM

Neuro

27th April 2014, 01:19 PM

here is the Bent Pyramid (2600 BC).that could have been built by the ancient egyptians. I am saying "could". there is NO comparison with the other ones.

First attempt... or imitation ??? edit: this guy really writes whatever. IMO

The Bent Pyramid at Dahshur

The Bent Pyramid at Dahshur is very significant historically. Earlier attempts at building these massive structures had revolved around step pyramids, like Zoser's step pyramid at Saqqara, about 10 kilometers north of Dahshur, but the Bent Pyramid is the Egyptians' first attempt to build what we now think of as a "typical" pyramid.
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel/Egypt/Dahshur/BentPyramid/
http://www.ehabweb.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/070309-365.jpg

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/Travel/Egypt/BentPyramidFromTheWest1.jpg

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/Travel/Egypt/GizaPyramids1.jpg

I also would tend to think that the smaller pyramids seen here could have been built by the ancient egyptians... and if there ever are any hieroglyphs mentioning how they were built, they are the ones they talk about.
Yeah but it is apparent that the principles of constructing the smaller pyramids may very well be used to construct the bigger pyramids it just requires a hundred (or maybe a 1000) times the effort, but with a pharaoh king/god ruling over a bigger area with a different set of priorities, it is entirely possible, no?

Hypertiger

27th April 2014, 01:36 PM

all the ruins coating the surface of the earth are the skeletal remains of previous war machines or lies believed to be Truth that fought against Truth trying to defeat truth and obtain absolute power over all and everything.

an failed...they are monuments of the ignorance is bliss religion.

The current global civilization is the result of the remainder left over after the defeat...inflating up to maximum potential and then collapsing down to maximum potential again.

since when you add absolute 1 or positive one or life and absolute zero or negative one or death you get positive 0...which is life...the remainder...since if the result was death...or non existence...there would be no existence.

when you add hyperinflation or life and hyperdeflation or death together...you find the positive zero point...the neutrality point...dawn plus dusk = The twilight zone.

you all are doomed...

hyperinflation to the absolute 1 point of positive insanity is followed by the hyperdeflation to absolute 0 point of negative insanity.

combined is the infinite power line...of sanity.

that insanity is constantly trying to reach but never can.

It does not take 12 years to teach a child to flip a burger...the purpose of the education system is to produce new ignorant drones ready for repetitive tasks till the day they die for the previously produced drones to exploit for fun an profit.

you all are not taught how the absolute capitalist hierarchical food powered make work enterprise...the city state...the civilization...or master lie you all worship as Truth actually operates...or you would refuse to be a slave to it.

people that believe they are free are more productive than people that know they are slaves.

That is why you spend 12 years or more being brain washed...programed.

to follow the path of least effort to the logical conclusion of the take more power than you give equation.

you all are trained to commit suicide fighting to the death to remain asleep to enjoy the dream you are awake.

retirement is not at 65...retirement is the instant you wake up an realize you are surrounded by millions and billions of ignorant drones...all slaving away powering ignorance to obtain bliss.

Truth annihilates the system which is the lie you believe is Truth.

that is why irriational numbers which are Truth...are rationalized into lies believed to be Truth...or reasonable assumptions...which have ends.

since infinity has no end.

You all employ absolute self indulgen reason to solve the problem of continued existence.

you take more power than you give from all an everything to sustain you inflation.

you cause deflation to power inflation.

the same as chopping down trees faster than they regrow or deflating trees to power inflation or bliss.

ignorance/deflation = bliss/inflation.

or absolute capitalism...negative capitalism.

responsible capitalism...positive capitalism.

employs responsible altruistic logic to solve the problem of continued existence.

the same as chopping down trees as fast as or slower than they regrow...or causing deflation but balancing it with inflation to sustain inflation or bliss.

one has a logical conclusion of end...is finite and leads to death.

one does not have a logical conclusion...is infinite...and leads to eternal life.

in 1000's and 1000's of years you all have not figured this out...yes it is simple of course in principle...but in practice...it appears to be too complex for you all.

It is fare easier to follow the path of least effort and take more power than you give from all and everything like mindless animals.

It is too hard to follow the path of most effort and share power as equally as possible with all and everything like Human beings.

you all are not realized ideals at the moment of conception...or at birth...and what you see when you are looking into a mirror is not a human being.

but belief takes more power than It gives from you.

knowing shares power as equally as possible with you.

you all believe you are Human beings or pretending you are...but sorry...you all act like animals...and when you claim it's Human nature...you are just positively reinforcing your ignorance.

Neuro

27th April 2014, 02:09 PM

The Bent Pyramid, from inside

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/View_of_the_outer_door_at_the_Bent_Pyramid_in_Dahs hur.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Inside_Snofrus_Bent_Pyramid_%282%29.JPG

COMPARED TO

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PS: Getting a little confused here, there are so many pics in this thread... Horn is the 2nd pic ancient egyptian related?
In fact the pic from inside the bent pyramid is quite similar in appearance to the pic of the Giza pyramid (some portions of it with square angles and smooth surfaces). I walked up thorough one of the passages to the kings chamber in the Giza pyramid in 1991, and my impression was more like the Bent pyramid vs the Giza pyramid pic Horn showed as I remember it anyway. However if they could have made the square angles and smoth rock in the older bent pyramid, they should be able to do it even better later on in the Giza pyramid, especially since they spent a hundred or a thousand times the effort to build it, no?

If the Egyptians didn't make it with there toolbox, show me what tools were used to make it, surely there must be some left overs of the high tech alloys used in the tools that were used to build the pyramids. One evidence from an archeological dig would be better than nothing... Put it up! Or is it all hidden in Masonic temples, where only 33rd degrees are able to see it?

Neuro

27th April 2014, 02:10 PM

Btw hypertiger STOP YOUR SPAMMING!

Hypertiger

27th April 2014, 03:08 PM

Btw hypertiger STOP YOUR SPAMMING!

Stop your promotion of lies....I'm not spamming you just do not have a leg to stand on...you are not here to find Truth...you are here seeking support for or to promote your cherished delusions...

Truth annihilates the lies you believe or promote as Truth...that you have fallen in love with.

and you will fight to the death to protect what you cherish...quit spamming....waaaaaaaa....waaaaaa...change my diaper.

You are game player and this is your favorite play pen.

I showed up and spoiled your play time.

I do not have to become visible so that you can plink me like a gopher...pathetically toy with me.

Just like the powers that be that you can not see.

You are on a grand glorious crusade to nowhere.

An infested paper cut is more of a threat to the powers that be that rule your ass than you are.

I'm getting sick of you all...I'm tired of fighting against the powers that be because...they are all of you...you are not working against them at all in the slightest...you all are working for them...and are paid the minimum possible wage...

they employ you all to build civilization up to absolute 1 or maximum potential positive insanity...and then they employ you all demolish it all down to absolute 0 or maximum potential negative insanity.

then they hire the survivors or remainder to do it all over again.

you are just a slave mind ruled by master minds.

the top maintains it's position by giving the bottom what they want...your elected puppet leaders...are just winners of the loser lottery you all play at election time to install the messiah that turns into the antichrist...and then new muppet to worship is installed.

the top can see threats rising up the hierarchy long before the threats see the annihilators sent to dispose of the garbage.

Like I said...you are searching for something you do not want to find...responsibility.

The greatest enemy you face was born the exact same time as you and can be found by looking into the nearest mirror.

but vampires can not see their reflection...since it's too negative...you just think/embrace positive and ignore/reject negative

I have no friends...Why?

because you all are not friends...you just pretend to be friendly to get what you want...and as soon as you are refused...or supplied with NO to your demands for YES.

you throw a fit...like a beyond spoiled rotten brat when you do not get your way.

You have compartmentalized yourself in this domain and have turned your minds to mush.

it's over.

Neuro

27th April 2014, 03:19 PM

Fine, you are banned for another month then. Try to stay on topic next time when you write your looong pointless sentences of uncoherent thought unrelated to what is discussed. See ya!

Horn

27th April 2014, 03:26 PM

You do know you're a patronising fuckwit?

Apparently HT, doesn't use the question mark to its fullest utility?

Much like an Egyptian flush cutting mirror finish blocks with copper chisel out of granite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8LI-XtOlxA

Neuro

27th April 2014, 03:29 PM

Apparently HT, doesn't use the question mark to its fullest utility?

Much like an Egyptian flush cutting mirror finish blocks with copper chisel out of granite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8LI-XtOlxA
Apparently? I am not going to ban Aeondaze for this particular transgression of common decency in this thread. I have banned him once for this earlier, but not this time I think he has put a lot of work in terms of defending his pow, and that saves him now, but I am issuing a warning that not to use this language again. If he does I will ban him!

Horn

27th April 2014, 03:41 PM

Apparently?

You got quoted, the response was directed towards the quote, as on topic.

I dare say you're wielding your ban hammer like a pharoah would his serpent staff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbhMTfBsD9g

Neuro

27th April 2014, 03:47 PM

You got quoted, the response was directed towards the quote, as on topic.

I dare say you're wielding your ban hammer like a pharoah would his serpent staff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbhMTfBsD9g
Would you prefer I ban Aeondaze? He has put up reasonable responses to yours and singulars pow's? Can you point out how HT's responses in general have anything to do with this thread, or in general have anything to do with most threads? If you feel this is my erring point.

Horn

27th April 2014, 04:03 PM

Horn

27th April 2014, 04:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsJqjOJ-bzw

Hitch

27th April 2014, 04:55 PM

Fine, you are banned for another month then. Try to stay on topic next time when you write your looong pointless sentences of uncoherent thought unrelated to what is discussed. See ya!

Neuro, what the hell man? If you don't like what the tiger posts, put him on ignore, or take a break from the forum. Yes, that was the exact same advise that has been given me many times on this forum.

I don't see anything HT posted that was against the forum rules, and deserves a ban. There was no personal attacks.

Santa

27th April 2014, 06:34 PM

HT writes some awesome stuff, but it's necessary to realize that he's writing to himself. Especially during times of his bi-polar shifts when the black hole of his universe is at its strongest.
But then, I think we're all writing to ourselves on the Internet, trying to figure out our universe.

singular_me

27th April 2014, 09:25 PM

I like HT a lot.

Science is a derivative of religion.
just as
credit is a derivative of money.

she may have a point here (I believe she is a female)

HT writes some awesome stuff, but it's necessary to realize that he's writing to himself. Especially during times of his bi-polar shifts when the black hole of his universe is at its strongest.
But then, I think we're all writing to ourselves on the Internet, trying to figure out our universe.

singular_me

27th April 2014, 09:56 PM

how so similar :) also keep in mind the dates... doesnt make sense. Giza is younger by 40 years according to mainstream academia! the number of workers doesnt add up either. Earth wasnt that populated at the time... wikipedia: consisting of two gangs of 100,000 men per pyramid. It seems like the entire population, women and kids included were forced to cooperate if we believe the 200,000 number. Not to mention the life expectancy at the time, which was more or less 45 year of age for the masses... multiplied by 2, since Giza was built 40 years apart... 400,000 workers! Was Giza built by teenagers? PLUS the number of men in the army dying to fight invaders... come on!

here is that of Giza... the flat neatness of the walls is unlike those of the Bent pyramid... the bent pyramid is clearly falling apart compared to Giza's (2560 BC) .

neuro, I believe that the average tourist is not allowed in many areas of the Giza's pyramid, but I have looked up for more pix of the bent pyramid and unlike for that of Giza, there is no pictures hyperlink showing up on the the google 1st page for that one... why? Because much of the inside is in a terrible shape?

http://www.bibleplaces.com/images12/Chefren%27s-Pyramid-interior-passageway,-tbs58049012-bibleplaces.jpg
http://en.aswatmasriya.com/images/Gallery/original/e5f301cd-3aba-424a-b520-0efd93cb69ad.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2585/3844595580_a2b37f0735.jpg
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/DsgT1Sv8Pcg/hqdefault.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dCqmVTwDjc0/UNoBamismoI/AAAAAAAADAI/vGb5-JoBU9c/s1600/KingsChamber.jpg

compared to the bent pyramid (2600 BC).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Wooden_bars_in_the_Bent_Pyramid.jpg

In fact the pic from inside the bent pyramid is quite similar in appearance to the pic of the Giza pyramid (some portions of it with square angles and smooth surfaces). I walked up thorough one of the passages to the kings chamber in the Giza pyramid in 1991, and my impression was more like the Bent pyramid vs the Giza pyramid pic Horn showed as I remember it anyway. However if they could have made the square angles and smoth rock in the older bent pyramid, they should be able to do it even better later on in the Giza pyramid, especially since they spent a hundred or a thousand times the effort to build it, no?

If the Egyptians didn't make it with there toolbox, show me what tools were used to make it, surely there must be some left overs of the high tech alloys used in the tools that were used to build the pyramids. One evidence from an archeological dig would be better than nothing... Put it up! Or is it all hidden in Masonic temples, where only 33rd degrees are able to see it?

Santa

27th April 2014, 10:08 PM

(I believe she is a female)

Why on earth would you think that? :D It's not a mystery. He's a man. Canadian. His name is Mike. He was a guest speaker on GIM2 Radio twice this past couple weeks.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/goldismoneyradio/2014/04/21/april-20th-2014-easter-sunday-show-800pm-est-michael
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/goldismoneyradio/2014/03/16/march-16th-2014-sunday-700pm-est-michael

singular_me

27th April 2014, 10:13 PM

wow... for a month, that is harsh! I have seen much of insulting vocabulary in this thread (not from HT) and no action was taken....

Fine, you are banned for another month then. Try to stay on topic next time when you write your looong pointless sentences of uncoherent thought unrelated to what is discussed. See ya!

singular_me

27th April 2014, 10:16 PM

oops, thanks for correcting me

Why on earth would you think that? :D It's not a mystery. He's a man. Canadian. His name is Mike. He was a guest speaker on GIM2 Radio twice this past couple weeks.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/goldismoneyradio/2014/04/21/april-20th-2014-easter-sunday-show-800pm-est-michael
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/goldismoneyradio/2014/03/16/march-16th-2014-sunday-700pm-est-michael

Dogman

27th April 2014, 10:16 PM

Personality bias.

singular_me

27th April 2014, 11:14 PM

how so similar :) also keep in mind the dates... doesnt make sense. Giza is younger by 40 years according to mainstream academia! the number of workers doesnt add up either. Earth wasnt that populated at the time... wikipedia: consisting of two gangs of 100,000 men per pyramid. It seems like the entire population, women and kids included were forced to cooperate if we believe the 200,000 number. Not to mention the life expectancy at the time, which was more or less 45 year of age for the masses... multiplied by 2, since Giza was built 40 years apart... 400,000 workers! Was Giza built by teenagers? PLUS the number of men in the army dying to fight invaders... come on!

oops, wrong memories: The average life expectancy for the ancient Egyptians was about 33 years for men, as opposed to 29 years for women. (wiki.answers.com)

It is worth bearing in mind that the total population of egypt at the time the Giza pyramids were built is estimated to have been 1.6 million, compared with 58 million in Ad 1995.

this number is for men, women and kids all together. ohh yeah they had thousandssss of slaves... discovery channel begs to differ... no slave labor: http://news.discovery.com/history/ancient-egypt/pyramids-tombs-giza-egypt.htm. The pyramids were built between 2575 B.C. to 2467 B.C ... over a more or less 100 year time frame... plus the Bent Pyramid. Considering the population number at the time, something doesnt add up.

"discovery link:
Herodotus, the Greek historian, wrote that 100,000 workers built the Pyramids, while modern Egyptologists come up with a figure more like 20,000 or 30,000 workers. Who is right. Herodotus a liar ???

In a NOVA experiment we found that 12 men could pull a one-and-a-half-ton block over a slick surface with great ease." ... that is great BUT the stones weigh 60-ton of granite from Aswan, 500 miles from the building site. :)

well... as we can see mainstream data is conflicting . additionally, Hieroglyphs are not well understood, up to this day. The Rosetta Stone has flaws... EDIT: or the translation has been manipulated.

edit:
talking of The Rosetta Stone ... the freemasons have it, they control the past and the future.

Since 1802, the Rosetta Stone has been on display at the British Museum in London. In 2003, the 250th anniversary of the British Museum, the Egyptian government requested that the Rosetta Stone be return to Egypt. James Cuno writes:

“The Egyptian government has called for the Stone’s return, claiming that it is important to Egyptian identity, although at the time of its taking there was no independent state of Egypt and wouldn’t be for more than one hundred years.”

The Egyptians, however, feel that the Rosetta Stone is an icon of Egyptian identity and should, therefore, be housed in Egypt. In 2005 the British Museum presented Egypt with a full-sized replica of the Rosetta Stone which was initially displayed at the Rashid National Museum.

The Egyptian request for the return of the Rosetta Stone raises an important question for museums around the world: Who owns the past?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/30/1174897/-Ancient-Egypt-The-Rosetta-Stone#

Horn

27th April 2014, 11:28 PM

here is that of Giza... the flat neatness of the walls is unlike those of the Bent pyramid... the bent pyramid is clearly falling apart compared to Giza's (2560 BC) .
compared to the bent pyramid (2600 BC).

That Forester guy has a video inside the bent pyramid, apparently from what I could tell from the video there were 2 grande approach resonance chambers within it.

His theory is the foundation was not up to whatever it was being tasked for, or cataclysm hit and fell apart within and without. So all those hallways are collapsed and broken within. Possibly remaining incomplete.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Bent_Pyramid_substructure_2.png

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xjA57owux4

singular_me

28th April 2014, 12:12 AM

if you are reasonably certain that NOTHING means what we've been told., this must be a book worth reading.. Freemasonry of the Ancient Egyptians By Manly P Haull (33 degree mason)
http://www.911truth.ch/pdf/Freemasonry-of-the-Ancient-Egyptians-by-Manly-P-Hall.pdf

edit: I am more inclined to believe hieroglyphs translation has been manipulated...

aeondaze

28th April 2014, 12:15 AM

There you go again, chasing your tail, obsessed with all the wrong things, taking eroneous and obscure unfounded data and forcing it to fit your prejudiced view of the poor old ancient egyptians, looking for some great non-existant mystery, attributing all the wrong feats to unknown entities and denying them their very works.

Sound familiar? Sure it does because thats exactly what the NWO freaks do, and you follow them like lemmings over a cliff.

Here are the well researched estimates for the population of Egypt though the various periods.

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/people/egypt-population-growth.gif

As you can see the population at the time of the building of the great pyramid was a little under two million. Plenty of workers for the pyramids construction.

You go on and on about slaves and think that this is magical proof that they colnd't have contructed it. Theres no doubt that some were slaves, but the vast majority were workers that earned their keep; lodgings and food and probably got paid a modest amount in whatever was the commodity of the day. There are stele that reveal these very FACTS.

Both of you keep going back and forth with ridiculous assumptions and dubious data. The damn things were built as houses for the dead, grand funerary monuments that attest their power in this mortal world. We know this to be FACT.

Keep it up, its amusing to see your paranoia about moderrn archaeology, its the very essence of insanity. It would be horendous to have to live with either one of you, frightened by your own shadow, double guessing yourselves the whole time and unable to confirm the bleeding obvious.

:D

"Secrets in Plain sight", lol

singular_me

28th April 2014, 12:18 AM

um-um, it ssems like I'd better *classify* The Bent Pyramids along with those of Gizas...

That Forester guy has a video inside the bent pyramid, apparently from what I could tell from the video there were 2 grande approach resonance chambers within it.

His theory is the foundation was not up to whatever it was being tasked for, or cataclysm hit and fell apart within and without. So all those hallways are collapsed and broken within. Possibly remaining incomplete.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Bent_Pyramid_substructure_2.png

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xjA57owux4

aeondaze

28th April 2014, 12:20 AM

um-um, it ssems like I'd better *classify* The Bent Pyramids along with those of Gizas...

Um, like a classification you might make has ANY validity, hahaha....:p

singular_me

28th April 2014, 12:41 AM

aeondaze

28th April 2014, 12:49 AM

Aeondaze, you live in a web of lies... but will not question ancient egypt's origins when it is clear that secret societies that are ruling the world today, are still deep into it.

I was talking of 1.6m of inhabitants in egypt at the time pyramids were build, and you say little under two million:elderly, women and kids included. Since many men were enrolled in the army and dying in great number fighting the invaders. Not to mention an average life span of 35 years...

Hence, wow many men are left to build 4 mega pyramids within a more or less 150 year time frame ???

The web of lies suround you as much as me, infact it surounds you moreso because you cannot make a decision based on logic and rationale. You have trouble with basic math, so how can anyone take your so called 'estimates' seriously.

Don't insiuate that you live a life free of deceit, we inhabit the same physical world, which unfortunately means you eat,shit and sleep just like the rest of us. Undoubtedly your delusions are more severe than most of the plebs because you havn't ANY faith in simple observation and replace that with willful ignorance.

You whole argument is framed in such a manner that you realy do come across as unhinged. You think you are some modern archaeological messiah, when in all reality you are the village idiot...:o

singular_me

28th April 2014, 12:58 AM

I was talking of 1.6m of inhabitants in egypt at the time pyramids were build, and you say little under two million:elderly, women and kids included. Since many men were enrolled in the army and dying in great number fighting the invaders. Not to mention an average life span of 35 years... and that the so many deadly accidents on the site happening on a regular basis.

edit: and how many men were necessary to transport the blocks of granite, 60tons each, for 500 miles, from aswan, the extraction site??

and you tell me that I have a problem with basic maths :)

You surely do.

In fact the hoax can be found in the mainstream explanations, they just do not add up.

The web of lies suround you as much as me, infact it surounds you moreso because you cannot make a decision based on logic and rationale. You have trouble with basic math, so how can anyone take your so called 'estimates' seriously.

Don't insiuate that you live a life free of deceit, we inhabit the same physical world, which unfortunately means you eat,shit and sleep just like the rest of us. Undoubtedly your delusions are more severe than most of the plebs because you havn't ANY faith in simple observation and replace that with willful ignorance.

You whole argument is framed in such a manner that you realy do come across as unhinged. You think you are some modern archaeological messiah, when in all reality you are the village idiot...:o

aeondaze

28th April 2014, 01:03 AM

"Secrets in Plain Sight", oh man that really nakes me laugh hard...

Keep on trying though...;D

Horn

28th April 2014, 01:43 AM

amusing to see your paranoia about moderrn archaeology

non sequitur

aeondaze

28th April 2014, 01:44 AM

non sequitur

"Secrets in Plain Sight", ahahaha

:p

Neuro

28th April 2014, 02:17 AM

I was talking of 1.6m of inhabitants in egypt at the time pyramids were build, and you say little under two million:elderly, women and kids included. Since many men were enrolled in the army and dying in great number fighting the invaders. Not to mention an average life span of 35 years... and that the so many deadly accidents on the site happening on a regular basis.

edit: and how many men were necessary to transport the blocks of granite, 60tons each, for 500 miles, from aswan, the extraction site??

and you tell me that I have a problem with basic maths :)

You surely do.

In fact the hoax can be found in the mainstream explanations, they just do not add up.
Aswan is upstream from Giza, connect the dots, they didn't drag the blocks through the desert on sleds, they used the main stream, quite effortlessly... If they used Horns water pump they could even lift the blocks through canals and dams too right next to the pyramid, or maybe they lifted them up within the pyramid even on the rafts...

singular_me

28th April 2014, 07:47 AM

we are talking of 60 tons rocks.... and 500 miles... they used the main stream, quite effortlessly? if you mean boats or rafts, how BIG are they exactly? How many of them would be needed for the transportation of 2 million rocks per pyramid and how long would it take to navigate 500 miles at the time? How many threes have been chopped off in a region that is a desert? I seriously doubt there were enough threes along the Nile

There is no records speaking of that (raft boats and water pumps). Even if we'd assume that ancient egypt didnt have to worry too much about invaders, unless kids took part in the workforce, ancient egypt could not have provided such a non stop massive labor over a 150 year time frame...

edit: one still has to cut those granite rocks on the extraction site before transportation. How long did it take per stone and how many men were needed for each of them. Granite is veryyyy hard. And same question for the polishing?

So you ask for hard evidence, while your mainstream available facts do not add up... indeed we have an enigma to solve.

we are even...

Aswan is upstream from Giza, connect the dots, they didn't drag the blocks through the desert on sleds, they used the main stream, quite effortlessly... If they used Horns water pump they could even lift the blocks through canals and dams too right next to the pyramid, or maybe they lifted them up within the pyramid even on the rafts...

singular_me

28th April 2014, 08:26 AM

First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

you are back to square one it seems :)

yes so many similarities are baffling and eye popping, hence you prefer to laugh rather then accept the evidence that geometry is key to understand the world we live it.

how can you make fun of it while this Knowledge comes straight from ancient egypt and other ancient civilizations and is the hands of those destroying mankind today?

Indeed who could have said that important architectural monuments and buildings throughout the ages and all over the planet replicate the Comos?

it is taking down your "cavemen did it theory" :)

"Secrets in Plain Sight", oh man that really nakes me laugh hard...

Keep on trying though...;D

aeondaze

28th April 2014, 08:47 AM

Neuro brought up some really valid and impressive points that destroy your theory.

You babble on about trees (you actually wrote threes so I'll ignore your illiteracy here) but you have such a narrow minded worldview it appears you know NOTHING about the world in which the Egyptians inhabited. The greater mediteranean world had ample trees at the time. There were trade routes all over the mediteranean from 3000 BC onwards, Cyprus was literally covered in trees, as were a lot of the islands within the mediteranean and the coast surrounding it.

Are you really so naive that you think ancient Egypt was a civilisation in isolation? I don't think so. The FACT is trade around the mediteranean was quite complex by 3000 BC for a lot of commodities from copper, tin, gold, silver, lumber etc. Why we even bother to educate you on these matters puzzles me because you are so ungrateful for what we bring to this discusion.

You need to study a whole lot more on what is curently known about the chacolithic period (Bronze age) instead of filling you head full of shit.

You only allow yourself to be ridiculed because what you present is fiction and not truth. As I've said before, what we know about this period is very interesting but you refuse to look at this in any seemingly normal or rational light isnstead you choose to taint it with your special brand of paranoia and ignorance to the point of complete coruption.

You're so out of step with reality you're only option is to besmirch those that present valid arguments that counter your silly fictitious world out of sheer spite and malice.

Hate is what drives you. HATE.

Until you can rid yourself of this you'll forever be wandering around the dark shouting "Horn! Is that you?" lol...:p

Horn

28th April 2014, 10:12 AM

we are talking of 60 tons rocks.... and 500 miles...

Most were around 2.5t or 5k lbs. the larger ones were probably done with an onsite quarry, then handled specifically.

Still the implication that an ancient Egyptian's tool box created them all in the short space of time alotted is complete fabrication, as Hasim stated that would equal setting a stone at little under 2 minutes for each stone, if you cut out the harvest and planting seasons (or even double the time for typical delays) that goes down to under a minute for each stone.

Also the notion that you can just simply throw more manpower onto the scene to complete faster is ridiculous, as you can only fit so many men or crews on each side. However many crews were possible and the time it took them to place each stone would govern the rest of the supply to them. Then as you went up the pyramid towards completion it would slow the process due to the reduced workspace and travel height. Those remaining crews would have to move on to a new project.

How any of it would be achieved without many wheels is beyond my comprehension.

Neuro

28th April 2014, 11:51 AM

we are talking of 60 tons rocks.... and 500 miles... they used the main stream, quite effortlessly? if you mean boats or rafts, how BIG are they exactly? How many of them would be needed for the transportation of 2 million rocks per pyramid and how long would it take to navigate 500 miles at the time? How many threes have been chopped off in a region that is a desert? I seriously doubt there were enough threes along the Nile

There is no records speaking of that (raft boats and water pumps). Even if we'd assume that ancient egypt didnt have to worry too much about invaders, unless kids took part in the workforce, ancient egypt could not have provided such a non stop massive labor over a 150 year time frame...

edit: one still has to cut those granite rocks on the extraction site before transportation. How long did it take per stone and how many men were needed for each of them. Granite is veryyyy hard. And same question for the polishing?

So you ask for hard evidence, while your mainstream available facts do not add up... indeed we have an enigma to solve.

we are even...
First they didn't use 2 million granite rocks weighing 60 tons each from Aswan for building the pyramids, most of the stone came from local quarries, and was soft limestone...

Here is a plausible theory how the granite blocks could have been made:
http://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/khufu-pyramid/stone-cutting.html

Here is a possible method of transporting the stones from the quarry in Aswan to the Pyramid construction site in Giza:
http://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/khufu-pyramid/nile-shipping.html

Read it, he is actually disagreeing with mainstream Egyptologists...

Horn

28th April 2014, 12:58 PM

Here is a plausible theory how the granite blocks could have been made:
http://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/khufu-pyramid/stone-cutting.html

So we moved from bronze age to iron age, and added a saw.

How a copper saw would work on granite remains to be seen (I think rather not so well),

but at least we are 2000 years ahead of our time already... :)

Not bad for a bunch of loin clothed people without a wheel.

Horn

28th April 2014, 02:03 PM

Oh, I forgot, I'm not replying until you remove the HT ban, Pharaoh.

Neuro

28th April 2014, 02:14 PM

So we moved from bronze age to iron age, and added a saw.

How a copper saw would work on granite remains to be seen (I think rather not so well),

but at least we are 2000 years ahead of our time already... :)

Not bad for a bunch of loin clothed people without a wheel.
He is claiming iron chisels actually. He proved that a copper saw could not possibly do it, which mainstream Egyptologists claims. He says the Egyptians got the Iron from the Hittite's in modern day Turkey.

Horn

28th April 2014, 02:27 PM

The right tools for splitting and cutting granite

1.
New
To split the granite, chisels forged from wrought iron were used (doctrine = the same tools as for limestone are used, this is to say tools made from copper)

2.
New
To achieve a smooth surface, the stone is split along a row of holes. Because granite splits relatively smoothly, the stones have to be burnished and polished only slightly (doctrine = the granite is sawed with copper saws)

3.
New
To further process the stone a wide chisel forged from wrought iron and a carver's mallet is used (doctrine = chisel made from copper)

Saying the Egyptians received Iron from Turkey, is like saying the U.S. gets it stealth technology from Malaysia.

I pretty sure you may could polish copper with granite, but not vice versa. at least 5 sides of the granite block must be processed, then to have the entire pyramid pile rest upon each other for thousands of years, all 6 sides polished.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/680b71aa98bc2d0e5e1f6f48dc831f53.png
Dates are approximate, consult particular article for details

We will call the Turks 1500yrs. before their time as a general estimate.

singular_me

28th April 2014, 02:27 PM

I have read too much data in a short period of time, confusing zeros, it seem... okay

It is estimated that 5.5 million tonnes of limestone, 8,000 tonnes of granite (imported from Aswan), and 500,000 tonnes of mortar were used in the construction of the Great Pyramid. The largest granite stones in the pyramid, found in the "King's" chamber, weigh 25 to 80 tonnes a (when it comes down to weight, mainstream data is okay http://en.wikipedia.org)

we have 4 pyramids, the Bent one included...

were they built from the inside out or otherwise, or both? the maths involved are too constricting for their relatively simple technology at the time.. no papyrus texts nor carvings reveal any of that in an extensive fashion. Thats why so many assumptions as how they were erected are still raging up to these days.

I didnt link manpower to speed of achievement in anyway.. just am able fathom the work that needs to be done, efficiency wise. The manpower still is an obstacle though...

theories fall apart one after the other (and the one below will follow the same fate): now that of a scaffolding as high as the pyramid itself... where did they get all the timber to start with or did they use bronze (LOL)? No to mention the stability of the scaffolding itself when resting on the sand ?

EDIT: please note that in this article, there are plenty of hypotheses , NO hard clues, this alone is a confession that what we have been taught and told isnt true

Were the pyramids built INSIDE OUT? Engineer claims ancient Egyptians built burial chamber first and then worked outwards
For centuries it was thought the Egyptians built the pyramids using ramps
Means millions of blocks would need to have been carried up the ramps
A Newport engineer now claims that this theory is ‘impossible’
This is because the ramps would need to have been a quarter of a mile long or would have been too steep
Claims they laid a core inside the pyramid before adding an outer casing
The top was then finished off using steps and a form of scaffolding
19 December 2013
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2526467/Were-pyramids-built-INSIDE-OUT-New-theory-suggests-ancient-Egyptians-built-monuments-like-modern-builder-constructs-stone-wall.html

from the article: the Egyptians would not have wanted to go higher than 10 metres at a time, so they built 10 metres, took a step inwards and built another 10 metres....

ps: but still they had to work very high (455' or 139 m) to continue the job from the inside and outside. No bits scaffolding structure was ever found inside cast in the motar however.

Most were around 2.5t or 5k lbs. the larger ones were probably done with an onsite quarry, then handled specifically.

Still the implication that an ancient Egyptian's tool box created them all in the short space of time alotted is complete fabrication, as Hasim stated that would equal setting a stone at little under 2 minutes for each stone, if you cut out the harvest and planting seasons (or even double the time for typical delays) that goes down to under a minute for each stone.

Also the notion that you can just simply throw more manpower onto the scene to complete faster is ridiculous, as you can only fit so many men or crews on each side. However many crews were possible and the time it took them to place each stone would govern the rest of the supply to them. Then as you went up the pyramid towards completion it would slow the process due to the reduced workspace and travel height. Those remaining crews would have to move on to a new project.

How any of it would be achieved without many wheels is beyond my comprehension.

Neuro

28th April 2014, 02:38 PM

Neuro, what the hell man? If you don't like what the tiger posts, put him on ignore, or take a break from the forum. Yes, that was the exact same advise that has been given me many times on this forum.

I don't see anything HT posted that was against the forum rules, and deserves a ban. There was no personal attacks.
Spam is against the forum rules as well! Madfranks banned HT for a month previously for spamming the forum, around the same time he banned Magnes for a month. If you don't like the Spam rule, take it up with JQP, I didn't make it. If you don't like mine or Madfranks interpretation of the spam rule. I am willing to discuss it. A good starting point from your behalf would be: Because of the following reasons I don't think Hypertigers posts should be regarded as spam...

If you manage to convince me his posts are not spam. I promise to take away HT's ban, you can of course take it up with JQP or Madfranks as well. I am just the Pharao's moderator here. Anyway I can't put hypertiger on ignore, remember I am the all seeing eye here. <•>

btw I started a new thread in board discussions to discuss HT's ban, not to clog up this one... http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?77199-Discuss-Hypertigers-ban

Neuro

28th April 2014, 02:53 PM

The right tools for splitting and cutting granite

1.
New
To split the granite, chisels forged from wrought iron were used (doctrine = the same tools as for limestone are used, this is to say tools made from copper)

2.
New
To achieve a smooth surface, the stone is split along a row of holes. Because granite splits relatively smoothly, the stones have to be burnished and polished only slightly (doctrine = the granite is sawed with copper saws)

3.
New
To further process the stone a wide chisel forged from wrought iron and a carver's mallet is used (doctrine = chisel made from copper)

Saying the Egyptians received Iron from Turkey, is like saying the U.S. gets it stealth technology from Malaysia.

I pretty sure you may could polish copper with granite, but not vice versa. at least 5 sides of the granite block must be processed, then to have the entire pyramid pile rest upon each other for thousands of years, all 6 sides polished.

We will call the Turks 1500yrs. before their time as a general estimate.
It is a tough call sure to make the Iron Age a thousand years earlier. How do you propose the stones were cut then?

Neuro

28th April 2014, 03:02 PM

This guy claims 6700 professionals could have built the Khufu pyramid in 10 years...

http://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/khufu-pyramid/pyramid-workers.html

singular_me

28th April 2014, 03:02 PM

we are talking of constructions taking place during the bronze age... or did I miss something?

The right tools for splitting and cutting granite

1.
New
To split the granite, chisels forged from wrought iron were used (doctrine = the same tools as for limestone are used, this is to say tools made from copper)

2.
New
To achieve a smooth surface, the stone is split along a row of holes. Because granite splits relatively smoothly, the stones have to be burnished and polished only slightly (doctrine = the granite is sawed with copper saws)

3.
New
To further process the stone a wide chisel forged from wrought iron and a carver's mallet is used (doctrine = chisel made from copper)

Saying the Egyptians received Iron from Turkey, is like saying the U.S. gets it stealth technology from Malaysia.

I pretty sure you may could polish copper with granite, but not vice versa. at least 5 sides of the granite block must be processed, then to have the entire pyramid pile rest upon each other for thousands of years, all 6 sides polished.

We will call the Turks 1500yrs. before their time as a general estimate.

singular_me

28th April 2014, 03:05 PM

assumptions and estimates abound... wait, in 5 to 10 years they will come up with another theory... conclusion, even if this guy's theory seems decent, none of what mainstream academia told us over the last century has legs.

\but you ask me to come up with "hard facts" :)

This guy claims 6700 professionals could have built the Khufu pyramid in 10 years...

http://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/khufu-pyramid/pyramid-workers.html

Horn

28th April 2014, 03:06 PM

This guy claims 6700 professionals could have built the Khufu pyramid in 10 years...

http://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/khufu-pyramid/pyramid-workers.html

Not sure, the vertical sides would need to be truer than Ht's universal truth, or spam.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-Yie0eqVXa7k/UIvrJQ5j_pI/AAAAAAAAqkI/df4Y7DRSato/barry%252520pharoah-WM%25255B4%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800

Neuro

28th April 2014, 03:11 PM

Meteoric iron?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age

Around 3000 BC, iron was a scarce and precious metal in the Near East.[clarification needed] The earliest known iron artifacts are nine small beads, dated to 3200 BC, from burials in Gerzeh, northern Egypt, that were made from meteoritic iron, and shaped by careful hammering.[5]

Neuro

28th April 2014, 03:15 PM

Not sure, the vertical sides would need to be truer than Ht's universal truth, or spam.

With Löhners rope rolls the stone blocks could have been slided up the walls of the pyramid easily...
http://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/khufu-pyramid/rope-roll.html

Horn

28th April 2014, 03:25 PM

Neuro

28th April 2014, 03:30 PM

From one vertical face of a single block to the other vertical face, true to within some minute square or level.

Chisels of any material would be needed in mass quantity, and ability to forge more. My guess an impossibility.
Any realistic alternative to Iron that could have been used in chisels with Bronze Age techniques?

Horn

28th April 2014, 03:47 PM

Anything else would need some sort of fine machine process, grinding stone upon stone, But then we're getting into more advanced A.D. technology.

I remember in previous threads on the matter that there was some ancient secret process maybe involving an acid bath to soften the stone. though i can't imagine how an acid process to do so wouldn't weaken the stone to the point of uselessness.

singular_me

28th April 2014, 03:49 PM

every hypothesis has its own serious downsides.. the more we dig, the more the puzzle looks daunting.

even carrying the granit on the river by boats restlessly over a 150 years time frame makes very little sense in an area where there are only threes around the Nile. Building so many boats represent a lot of timber . And boats would have to be quite big to avoid sinking under the weight. Were they crazy enough to deforest their own land? I dont think so.

common sense too often detracts theories, no matter how sound they appear to be.

the main point of this thread was to establish that mainstream academia has been inaccurate regarding this matter, on purpose or not. Meanwhile the Rosetta Stone is in the British Museum, held hostage by the Freemasons. How revealing.

singular_me

28th April 2014, 04:11 PM

Aeondaze, you have sunk into the depths of irrationality, it seems...

when I see the choice of your vocabulary, it tells a LOT about YOU.

I am fine with disagreeing even if the aftermath leads to a status quo, but you obviously can't deal with it.

Hate is what drives you. HATE.

Neuro

28th April 2014, 04:26 PM

chad

28th April 2014, 04:29 PM

i'm sure ancient egyptians were worried about deforestation.

singular_me

28th April 2014, 05:51 PM

ok, granite transportation by boat is one thing but, how much manpower to take care of 5.5 million tonnes of limestone an 500,000 tonnes of mortar ... While the limestone could be found not too far from Cairo, 30 miles away, unless it was carried on mules/donkeys backs (provided that they did have enough livestock), thats too a lot of timber, in term of having enough carts running back and forth.

Ramps theory, RIP
Uploaded on Nov 17, 2011
During research expeditions to the pyramids of Giza, Egypt in 1978, we were able to simultaneously film a group of construction engineers and research scientists from Japan (Nippon Corporation) who began to undertake a reconstruction of the Great Pyramid on a smaller scale. This film is one of the few documents of this attempt to use basic tools (basic tools, ramps, local labor force) to create sophisticated fittings of the limestone blocks. In the end, it proved too difficult to continue with primitive methods and they resorted to modern means to create their small model.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHOgtQa7LVw

It can be proven with only basic mathematics that the Egyptions didn't build the pyramids. The Egyptologists insist that all three Great Pyramids were constructed within a century. Assuming very low numbers, the pyramids consist of 2.5 million stone blocks for each of the large 2 pyramids, and 1.0 million stone blocks for the small one giving 6.0 million stones to be cut, hauled, shaped, lifted and postioned in 100 years.

6,000,000 blocks / 1200 months = 5000 blocks laid per month
5000 blocks / 30 days per month = 166.6 blocks laid per day
166.6 blocks / 24 hour working day = 6.9 blocks laid per hour

So given very generous figures, the Egyptologists want you to believe that the Egyptions were able to complete (at a bare minimum) 7 stone blocks weighing 2.0-2.5 Tons every hour of every day for 100 years without days off for accidents or bad weather etc, using only primitive stone and copper tools, plant-fiber ropes and wooden sledges. (davidickeforums)
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It is currently regarded by Egyptologists, taught throughout our schools and printed in textbooks everywhere that the Egyptians (namely Khufu) were responsible for the construction of the Great Pyramid. However, when one looks at some of the damning evidence against such a theory it becomes apparent that the Egyptologists theories are based on an archaeological fraud.

The only evidence that links Khufu with the Great Pyramid is a single "Royal Inscription" on the ceiling of the Construction chamber. Colonel Howard-Vyse discovered this inscription between 1836-1837. At the time he made the discovery, his expedition was coming to an unsuccessful close and he had very little to show for the 10,000 pounds sterling he was granted. It is more than likely (as the evidence shows) that Vyse himself forged the inscription in order to make a monumental discovery. The evidence outlined above shows beyond reasonable doubt that Vyse faked the inscription and that Khufu did not build the Great Pyramid. Yet Egyptologists still cling to the reasoning that the Pyramid must be Khufu's because it dates to 2550 BC. However the only evidence that it was built in 2550 BC is the claim by Vyse that Khufu built it. This demonstrates the kind of circular reasoning employed by many Egyptologists.
http://great-pyramid.net/did-khufu-build-the-great-pyramid/

But you posted yourself that a mere 8,000 tons of granite was shipped from Aswan for the Khufu pyramid, in a ten year period it boils down to 60-70 tons/month which probably one or two big boats could manage to transport without too much of an expense to the Pharao, who wanted it.

Neuro

28th April 2014, 06:10 PM

Horn

28th April 2014, 06:37 PM

The more you look at it all points to cataclysm, then reclamation by pharonic fraud. Maybe those surviving tribes split into two and tried to reproduce in China and Mexico off some ancient plan orientation with major deviation into the power of blood.

Just imagine New Orleans after Katrina or post soviet union without the re-inflationary power of fiat.

steyr_m

28th April 2014, 06:47 PM

This has turned out to be quite the thread. My brief discussion aeondaze [/ignore] kind of turned me away. I think I may start re-reading it....

singular_me

28th April 2014, 08:07 PM

you might be right, but most links I looked at mentioned Saqqara

no, I had the donkeys/mules in mind to carry the mortar and my sentence is confusing, I agree.

I m fine with the theory that a previous highly advanced ancient civilization did it, before a pole-shift like cataclysm. EDIT: and I am almost sure the masons know this, hence the choice of a pyramid for they secret society. I will take a look at the Manly P. Haul's book at some point. (for those who missed it: Freemasonry of The Ancient Egyptians: http://www.911truth.ch/pdf/Freemasonry-of-the-Ancient-Egyptians-by-Manly-P-Hall.pdf )

There are two types of pole shift. The terrestrial kind is where the land masses actually move from their current positions to new ones sometimes thousands of kilometers away. Then there’s magnetic pole shift, a flip in the Earth’s magnetic field where the north and south poles exchange places.

Most of the limestone used in the Pyramid came from the quarry at Giza, not some place 30 miles away. A smaller amount of high quality limestone came from Tura about 15 kms away, but that was ferried on across the Nile... You can't carry a 2.5 ton stone on a donkey.

An interesting thing though you can probably analyze the stones from the other structures in Giza (those that were written more like 2-3000 BC), and find they were from the same quarries as the Giza pyramids that are claimed to be at least from 10500 BC, wouldn't that be an odd coincidence?

http://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/khufu-pyramid/stone-quarries.html

Just out of curiosity, how do you think the pyramids were built and how do you think the stones got there, how were they cut and polished? And who did it singular?

Horn

28th April 2014, 09:04 PM

This guy has some interesting points.

I don't know that mortar was used all that much? Only in specific areas.. he says it can not be reproduced.

The exact number of stones was orginally estimated at 2,300,000 stone blocks weighing from 2-30 tons each with some weighing as much as 70 tons. Computer calculations indicate 590,712 stone blocks were used in its construction. It area covers 13.6 acres with each side greater than 5 acres in area.

There are supposedly 144,000 casing stones, all highly polished and flat to an accuracy of 1/100th of an inch, about 100 inches thick and weighing about 15 tons each with nearly perfect right angles for all six sides. Computer calculations indicated 40,745 casing stones were used averaging 40 tons each before the face angle was cut.

The average casing stone on the lowest level was 5 ft. long by 5 ft. high by 6 ft. deep and weighed 15 tons. The casing stones weighing as much as 20 tons were placed with an accuracy of 5/1000ths of an inch, and an intentional gap of about 2/100ths of an inch for mortar.

The casing stones for the Great Pyramid were cut in quarries from Tura and Masara located on the east bank of the Nile on outskirts of Cairo.
The mortar used is of an unknown origin. It has been analyzed and it's chemical composition is known but it can't be reproduced. It is stronger than the stone and still holding up today. The cornerstone foundations of the pyramid have ball and socket construction capable of dealing with heat expansion and earthquakes. The four corner sockets are at different heights. The vertical distance between the highest and lowest is 17 inches. The reference point known as the "mean socket level", or base level, is generally used as the reference for height and perimeter measurements. The "sidereal socket level" is the mean of just the SW and SE socket heights.

The length of a base is 9131 PI from corner to corner in a straight line. The length of a base side at the base socket level is 9131 pyramid inches or 365.24 pyramid cubits. The length of a base side at sidereal socket level is 9131.4 pyramid inches or 365.256+ pyramid cubits. The length of the perimeter at the sidereal socket level is 36525.63629+ pyramid inches. 201 complete courses of masonry remain with remnants of 2 more at the summit.

The top surface is 5478 pyramid inches above the mean socket level. Another 335 pyramid inches higher is the geometric apex formed by the corner edges of the projected mantle. The 35th course of stones is roughly 50 inches tall, nearly twice the height of the previous courses. The height of the 35th course = 1162.6 PI from ground or the length of the Antechamber x 10.

http://www.crystalinks.com/gpstats.html

Hitch

28th April 2014, 09:06 PM

This has turned out to be quite the thread. My brief discussion aeondaze [/ignore] kind of turned me away. I think I may start re-reading it....

More important than gold and silver.

I recommend changing the forum name. gold-silver-pyramids.us.

Horn

28th April 2014, 09:20 PM

More important than gold and silver.

I recommend changing the forum name. gold-silver-pyramids.us.

We need distraction! :)

steyr_m

28th April 2014, 09:31 PM

More important than gold and silver.

I recommend changing the forum name. gold-silver-pyramids.us.

Well state your case. I'm opened to anything but stupidity.

Horn

28th April 2014, 09:32 PM

Lots of interesting hits when you search on mortar and great pyramids.

RADIOCARBON DATING

The 1983-84 ‘Pyramids Carbon-dating Project’, directed by Mark Lehner and Robert Wenke, delivered results that do not support the building of these structures during the 4th dynasty. For example, thirteen samples of mortar taken from the Great Pyramid gave
construction dates in the range 3101-2853 B.C., and an average date of around 3000 B.C.

Similarly, samples of mortar removed from the Second Pyramid produced a comparable date. It is interesting to note that all of these samples were taken from stone courses on the outside of the pyramids. As such, using these samples to date the structure is questionable. The mortar samples could have had a much later origin than the massive stone blocks from which they were taken, as part of a restoration project; much better to have taken the samples from deeper into the stone work.

Such was the confusion caused by the carbon-dating project that a second study was carried out in 1995. The results of this study were published in 2001. In the case of the Great Pyramid there was still considerable scatter in the data over a range of about 400 years.

http://www.hallofthegods.org/articles/who-built-great-pyramid.html

singular_me

28th April 2014, 09:43 PM

I think I just ran into something pretty interesting

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Templars-Chart-Hieroglyphic-Monitor-Containing-All-Emblems-and-Hieroglyphics-1852-Jeremy-Ladd-Cross/00/$T2eC16J,!wsE9suw%290cPBRZjG,QezQ~~_35.JPG

FREE EBOOK:
http://www.911truth.ch/pdf/The_Templar_s_chart__or__Hieroglyphic_mo%20%281%29 .pdf

singular_me

28th April 2014, 09:49 PM

researching is addicting, I presume, dear Watson :)

More important than gold and silver.

I recommend changing the forum name. gold-silver-pyramids.us.

aeondaze

28th April 2014, 09:51 PM

Their study estimates that the number of blocks used in construction was between 2 and 2.8 million (an average of 2.4 million), but settles on a reduced finished total of 2 million after subtracting the estimated volume of the hollow spaces of the chambers and galleries.[50] Most sources agree on this number of blocks somewhere above 2.3 million.[51] Their calculations suggest the workforce could have sustained a rate of 180 blocks per hour (3 blocks/minute) with ten-hour work days for putting each individual block in place. They derived these estimates from modern third-world construction projects that did not use modern machinery,

Bear in mind MOST of these blocks were VERY roughly hewn, they may have been accurate with the buildings dimensions but the majority of blocks themselves are in a very rough state, FACT, hence a reliable estimate on the SHORT time to hew the limestoine.

Then you have all the masons marks on each block which indicate placement and sometimes who worked on them, doesn't sound very advanced to me, what no excel spreadsheet and barcoding system, lol

Here is the clincher. If an advanced civilisation, more advanced than ours you say, built these structures why in the world did they build them out of fucking stone?

We don't even build our largest buildings out of stone anymore and you want us to believe they were more advanced than US, come on. Your logic is terrible.

WHY DIDN'T YOUR SUPPOSED ADVANCED CIVILISATION BUILD WITH MORE ADVANCED MATERIALS THAN JUST STONE?

ANSWER: Because they weren't more advanced than us, they were from the bronze age.

Horn

28th April 2014, 10:03 PM

WHY DIDN'T YOUR SUPPOSED ADVANCED CIVILISATION BUILD WITH MORE ADVANCED MATERIALS THAN JUST STONE?

ANSWER: Because they weren't more advanced than us, they were from the bronze age.

They wanted something that wouldn't end up at the bottom of the sea during a cataclysm.

Their calculations suggest the workforce could have sustained a rate of 180 blocks per hour (3 blocks/minute) with ten-hour work days for putting each individual block in place. They derived these estimates from modern third-world construction projects that did not use modern machinery,

In other words they pulled them out of their ass...

singular_me

28th April 2014, 10:04 PM

just another mystery telling us why the pyramids are still in good shape after so many millennia.

ps: being more or less 400 years off is a lot in term of so-called academic research

This guy has some interesting points.

I don't know that mortar was used all that much? Only in specific areas.. he says it can not be reproduced.
http://www.crystalinks.com/gpstats.html

RADIOCARBON DATING: In the case of the Great Pyramid there was still considerable scatter in the data over a range of about 400 years.

aeondaze

28th April 2014, 10:12 PM

FAIL

This is an admission by default that they weren't more advanced than us. THANK YOU

aeondaze

28th April 2014, 10:15 PM

In other words they pulled them out of their ass...

Well I guess you are the expert on pulling things out of your ass...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dJBNozC_Tzg/TMln_ptfwkI/AAAAAAAAAIU/ViI7hA9bygg/s1600/coke-bottle-rectum.jpg

Horn

28th April 2014, 10:36 PM

Aeon obviously missed the K in K thru 12.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Sf9saPuDI

aeondaze

28th April 2014, 10:40 PM

singular_me

28th April 2014, 10:46 PM

agreeing with all the 25 facts would require more research, but I am aware of at least 15 of them
----------------------

25 facts about the Great Pyramid of Giza

The Great Pyramid a true masterpiece and has rightly earned the title of a “Wonder”. It was built with such precision that our current technology cannot replicate it. There are so many interesting facts about this Pyramid that it baffles archaeologists, scientists, astronomers and tourists. Here are the facts:

The pyramid is estimated to have around 2,300,000 stone blocks that weigh from 2 to 30 tons each and there are even some blocks that weigh over 50 tons.

The Pyramid of Menkaure, the Pyramid of Khafre and the Great Pyramid of Khufu are precisely aligned with the Constellation of Orion.

The base of the pyramid covers 55,000 m2 (592,000 ft 2) with each side greater than 20,000 m2 (218,000 ft2) in area.
The interior temperature is constant and equals the average temperature of the earth, 20 Degrees Celsius (68 Degrees Fahrenheit).

The outer mantle was composed of 144,000 casing stones, all of them highly polished and flat to an accuracy of 1/100th of an inch, about 100 inches thick and weighing approx. 15 tons each.

The cornerstone foundations of the pyramid have ball and socket construction capable of dealing with heat expansion and earthquakes.

The mortar used is of an unknown origin (Yes, no explanation given). It has been analyzed and its chemical composition is known but it can’t be reproduced. It is stronger than the stone and still holding up today.

It was originally covered with casing stones (made of highly polished limestone). These casing stones reflected the sun’s light and made the pyramid shine like a jewel. They are no longer present being used by Arabs to build mosques after an earthquake in the 14th century loosened many of them. It has been calculated that the original pyramid with its casing stones would act like gigantic mirrors and reflect light so powerful that it would be visible from the moon as a shining star on earth. Appropriately, the ancient Egyptians called the Great Pyramid “Ikhet”, meaning the “Glorious Light”. How these blocks were transported and assembled into the pyramid is still a mystery. - http://www.gizapyramid.com/general.htm

Aligned True North: The Great Pyramid is the most accurately aligned structure in existence and faces true north with only 3/60th of a degree of error. The position of the North Pole moves over time and the pyramid was exactly aligned at one time.

Center of Land Mass: The Great Pyramid is located at the center of the land mass of the earth. The east/west parallel that crosses the most land and the north/south meridian that crosses the most land intersect in two places on the earth, one in the ocean and the other at the Great Pyramid.

The four faces of the pyramid are slightly concave, the only pyramid to have been built this way.

The centers of the four sides are indented with an extraordinary degree of precision forming the only 8 sided pyramid, this effect is not visible from the ground or from a distance but only from the air, and then only under the proper lighting conditions. This phenomenon is only detectable from the air at dawn and sunset on the spring and autumn equinoxes, when the sun casts shadows on the pyramid.

The granite coffer in the “King’s Chamber” is too big to fit through the passages and so it must have been put in place during construction.

The coffer was made out of a block of solid granite. This would have required bronze saws 8-9 ft. long set with teeth of sapphires. Hollowing out of the interior would require tubular drills of the same material applied with a tremendous vertical force.

Microscopic analysis of the coffer reveals that it was made with a fixed point drill that used hard jewel bits and a drilling force of 2 tons.

The Great Pyramid had a swivel door entrance at one time. Swivel doors were found in only two other pyramids: Khufu’s father and grandfather, Sneferu and Huni, respectively.

It is reported that when the pyramid was first broken into that the swivel door, weighing some 20 tons, was so well balanced that it could be opened by pushing out from the inside with only minimal force, but when closed, was so perfect a fit that it could scarcely be detected and there was not enough crack or crevice around the edges to gain a grasp from the outside.

With the mantle in place, the Great Pyramid could be seen from the mountains in Israel and probably the moon as well.

The weight of the pyramid is estimated at 5,955,000 tons. Multiplied by 10^8 gives a reasonable estimate of the earth’s mass.

The Descending Passage pointed to the pole star Alpha Draconis, circa 2170-2144 BCE. This was the North Star at that point in time. No other star has aligned with the passage since then.

The southern shaft in the King’s Chamber pointed to the star Al Nitak (Zeta Orionis) in the constellation Orion, circa 2450 BCE The Orion constellation was associated with the Egyptian god Osiris. No other star aligned with this shaft during that time in history.

Sun’s Radius: Twice the perimeter of the bottom of the granite coffer times 10^8 is the sun’s mean radius. [270.45378502 Pyramid Inches* 10^8 = 427,316 miles]

The curvature designed into the faces of the pyramid exactly matches the radius of the earth.

Khufu’s pyramid, known as the great pyramid of Giza, is the oldest and largest, rising at 481 feet (146 meters). Archaeologists say it was the tallest structure in the world for about 3, 800 years.

The relationship between Pi (p) and Phi (F) is expressed in the fundamental proportions of the Great Pyramid.

- See more at: http://www.ancient-code.com/25-facts-about-the-great-pyramid-of-giza/#sthash.rGZqBtzx.dpuf

singular_me

28th April 2014, 10:51 PM

You didnt follow the thread well, at this stage, the cataclysm hypothesis is taking over... imagine a time machine going back very far into the past. Take a deep breath in... then exhale :)

FAIL

This is an admission by default that they weren't more advanced than us. THANK YOU

Horn

28th April 2014, 10:59 PM

You do know I don't even bother to try decode your drivel, I know from experience its just not worth it, you're a try hard wannabe hack.

As such I never watch your stupid videos, i just shake my head and think to myself "what a fucking loser, if I were he, I'd hate to have to wake up every morning and look at myself in the mirror"

I know deep down you have poor self esteem...sucks to be you:D

Look Aeon, its not my fault your belief and work in the field of "moderrn archaeology" is so cut and dry that it prevents you from posting anything slightly relevant to counter the argument of a completely fabricated timeline with regards to pyramid construction.

These fabled mirror postings of yours (such as above) don't help the case any.

I always give credit where it is due, in this thread you haven't any.

Santa

29th April 2014, 12:01 AM

WHY DIDN'T YOUR SUPPOSED ADVANCED CIVILISATION BUILD WITH MORE ADVANCED MATERIALS THAN JUST STONE?

If they had built the Pyramids out of the advanced materials we use today, it would have been considered a safety hazard and torn down in less than a 100 years.

Glass

29th April 2014, 01:09 AM

The outer mantle was composed of 144,000 casing stones, all of them highly polished and flat to an accuracy of 1/100th of an inch, about 100 inches thick and weighing approx. 15 tons each.

This is interesting. The number of casing stones is a harmonic with the force of gravity. I wonder what the volume is. Remembering that the volume of a pyremid is 1/3 the volume of a cube of the same H x W x D. I think in a few instances the volume comes out at ~222 making the volume of the cube to be 666.

I personally speculate that the pyramids are some kind of speaker. They are not "speaking" up into the air but down into the earth. If you look at the maps of the pyramids layout, chambers and passage ways etc. I can't help but see an inverted speaker type device. That could better explain the resonances of the various elements inside.

It could even be a speaker/receiver combo device. A little bit like a satellite dish.

They're like mega bass speakers. Sub Woofers? Were the pharaohs some kind of hip hop race? They like to get out and bust some beats during the Nile festival?

Was it a method of communicating with other races or cultures around the planet. More like through the planet. Telsa determined you could transmit through the planet almost instantaneously. Any quicker than by radio waves? Don't know. Maybe more effective when dialing the far side of the planet.

Horn

29th April 2014, 01:49 AM

I personally speculate that the pyramids are some kind of speaker. They are not "speaking" up into the air but down into the earth. If you look at the maps of the pyramids layout, chambers and passage ways etc. I can't help but see an inverted speaker type device. That could better explain the resonances of the various elements inside.

That's pretty trippy, and the remote obelisk tuned to it a phone booth... private line please..

Those baffle type chambers are something to speculate over, if there were water moving through them at a certain rate possibly?

To me there has to be some type of compression going on in them, reason for large cap of a pyramid over them.

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 02:40 AM

OMG you guys are lunatics. You keep on proposing the most ludicrous explanations all because you don't have faith in anything modern science has to offer, all the while attempting to justify your propositions using scienctic language and on ocasion method

This has to be about the biggest cirlce jerk going round the internets.

At the end of the day it all comes down to occams razor...

Ockham's razor (also written as Occam's razor and in Latin lex parsimoniae) is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in problem-solving devised by William of Ockham (c. 1287 - 1347). It states that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. Other, more complicated solutions may ultimately prove correct, but—in the absence of certainty—the fewer assumptions that are made, the better.

So there you have it.

The FACT is that many times ultimately the simplest solution proves to be most correct.

In this instance the simplest solution is that Bronze age Egyptians built these structure as funerary monuments. No harmonic anti-chambers, no wierd propulsion or energy displacement wiga-magoos, no advanced archaic civilisations.

The pyramids are what they are. You guys can keep chasing your tail if you like, but its time to put your money where your mouth is...

I bet each one of you 1 oz of silver that it will always be this way, that there never will be found evidence of any advanced civilisations or that the pyramids are anything more than funerary monuments.

Neuro

29th April 2014, 04:53 AM

I bet each one of you 1 oz of silver that it will always be this way, that there never will be found evidence of any advanced civilisations or that the pyramids are anything more than funerary monuments.
It is a bad bet on your behalf. You'ld never be paid even if correct, because the end of 'never' stretches into eternity, and you have the albeit remote possibility that an advanced civilization did build them...

I wonder if the mason guilds of Old Egypt knew how to make wrought iron? I figure it would be difficult to cut the Granite blocks without it... It is certainly a lesser step to accept that than to accept a previous advanced civilizations using the exact same quarries as the Egyptians. Further I wonder if the granite was used in other structures than the pyramids...

Glass

29th April 2014, 05:19 AM

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 05:28 AM

It is a bad bet on your behalf. You'ld never be paid even if correct, because the end of 'never' stretches into eternity, and you have the albeit remote possibility that an advanced civilization did build them...

I wonder if the mason guilds of Old Egypt knew how to make wrought iron? I figure it would be difficult to cut the Granite blocks without it... It is certainly a lesser step to accept that than to accept a previous advanced civilizations using the exact same quarries as the Egyptians. Further I wonder if the granite was used in other structures than the pyramids...

I know, its frustrating dealing with dunderheads hence the wager, I realised how futile it was just before I pressed reply but pressed it anyways. Nah, they have no chance winning that bet and you know it. There would have been a WHOLE lot more substantial evidence if there was an advanved civilisation. I have extensively studied man's (including erectus and neanderthalis) journey though the paleolithic into the neolithic and then chalcolithic. So I'm pretty damn sure, and you should be too Neuro! I understand the whole premise of never stating emphatically but this is damn well near as close as we are going to get for a certainty.

I had read somewhere that iron use had possibly come about sometimesbefore the iron age is accepted to have begun around 1100 BC. Your asumption about meteoric iron is correct though, even though we only have a few beads of iron dating to these periods I strongly suspect that there was far more iron in use possibly for tools, problem is that none have been found. It may well have been recast later on down the track and lost in antiquity.

Neuro

29th April 2014, 05:45 AM

I thought some of the stone I saw looked like it had multiple drill channels down it's face. Maybe those casket with lids. Thinking long drill bits or augers drilled close together in a line. Water pressure forced down into the bore holes or some other material to cause fracturing or shearing. Early fracking? With the right kind of grit and water you could shape and smooth blocks. labour is cheap? work for food and shelter.Drilling in Granite could have been done with a bow drill using a copper pipe and sand...http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostempires/obelisk/images/cuttingslide07_1.jpg
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostempires/obelisk/cutting.html

singular_me

29th April 2014, 07:16 AM

while searching for this thread, several links confirmed that they are "energy devices"

since you are familiar with Haramein, he gives a very good explanation about 3D Metatron's Cube. The Cube is special because it contains the 3 dimensions.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/media/folder_153/display_1523441.jpg

sacred geometry is everywhere... the sacred pattern appear in ancient egypt, india and china... the not so strangely, starts with the basic triangle, found in freemasonry and the zionist flag.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_ciencia/geomsag04_01.gif
http://blog.world-mysteries.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/flower_of_life_cube_sml.jpg

666 like all other sacred numbers has been subverted by freemasonry. But thats for another thread.

sacred geometry is everywhere... the sacred pattern appear in ancient egypt, india and china... the not so strangely, starts with the basic triangle, found in freemasonry and the zionist flag.

http://intellectualrevolutionary.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/male-shishi.jpg

This is interesting. The number of casing stones is a harmonic with the force of gravity. I wonder what the volume is. Remembering that the volume of a pyremid is 1/3 the volume of a cube of the same H x W x D. I think in a few instances the volume comes out at ~222 making the volume of the cube to be 666.

I personally speculate that the pyramids are some kind of speaker. They are not "speaking" up into the air but down into the earth. If you look at the maps of the pyramids layout, chambers and passage ways etc. I can't help but see an inverted speaker type device. That could better explain the resonances of the various elements inside.

It could even be a speaker/receiver combo device. A little bit like a satellite dish.

They're like mega bass speakers. Sub Woofers? Were the pharaohs some kind of hip hop race? They like to get out and bust some beats during the Nile festival?

Was it a method of communicating with other races or cultures around the planet. More like through the planet. Telsa determined you could transmit through the planet almost instantaneously. Any quicker than by radio waves? Don't know. Maybe more effective when dialing the far side of the planet.

singular_me

29th April 2014, 07:27 AM

thats a lot of time spent on each granite block...

6,000,000 blocks / 1200 months = 5000 blocks laid per month
5000 blocks / 30 days per month = 166.6 blocks laid per day
166.6 blocks / 24 hour working day = 6.9 blocks laid per hour

So given very generous figures, the Egyptologists want you to believe that the Egyptions were able to complete (at a bare minimum) 7 stone blocks weighing 2.0-2.5 Tons every hour of every day for 100 years without days off for accidents or bad weather etc, using only primitive stone and copper tools, plant-fiber ropes and wooden sledges.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?76792-Pyramids-and-The-Orion-Belt-%28mind-blowing%29&p=706943&viewfull=1#post706943

Drilling in Granite could have been done with a bow drill using a copper pipe and sand...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostempires/obelisk/images/cuttingslide07_1.jpg

chad

29th April 2014, 07:29 AM

i've read dozens of the "pyramid was a powerplant," "pyramid was a communication device," etc. books. there's zero proof of any of it, in any of them. the "proof" usually falls along the lines of "modern power plants have corridors in them, and there's corridors in the great pyramid, so it must have been a power plant," or "modern phones have wires in them, and we found a wire in the door of chamber 17, so it must have been a communication device." no one has ever proven anything, if they had, there wouldn't be a 42 page thread on it.

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 07:43 AM

i've read dozens of the "pyramid was a powerplant," "pyramid was a communication device," etc. books. there's zero proof f any of it, in any of them. the "proof" usually falls along the lines of "modern power plants havecooridors in them, and there's cooridoors in the great pyramid, so it must have been a power plant," or "modern phones have wires in them, and we found a wire in the door of chamber 17, so it must have been a communication device." no one has ever proven anything, if they had, there wouldn't be a 42 page thread on it.

Most of the posters here fail to realise the very point that plenty of people have gone through the phase of investigating these things, trying to discern some greater mystery in the Egyptian culture because of the monumental scale and antiquity of the structures and peculiar aspects of their religious practices. Their automatic reflex is to assume we're narrow minded and won't consider the possibility.

I too spent many years as a young teenager pouring over books about ancient Egypt, I mean I read Chariots of the Gods when I was thirteen and I'm now in my forties. To have these neophytes acuse us of being narrowminded is competely disingenuous and more aptly describes their state of mind.

The saddest part of it all is that they miss the whole point, they have no capacity to marvel at the culture for exactly what it is. They are throw away theorists, if the theory is just plain vanilla and doesn't exibit the sensationalist aspects they crave, they toss it in the trash with reckless abandon, which IMO is the epitomy of the GIMME generation.

Cebu_4_2

29th April 2014, 07:45 AM

if they had, there wouldn't be a 42 page thread on it.

You have your preferences all jacked up, I only get 11 pages.

chad

29th April 2014, 07:49 AM

You have your preferences all jacked up, I only get 11 pages.

you'll get 42 eventually, just hang in there.

Horn

29th April 2014, 08:54 AM

Miscellaneous information

Many modern day physicists and engineers view the Great Pyramid as a machine. They show physical evidence to reinforce their claim:The shape has been shown to have dramatic energizing effects. An example being water does not freeze at - 40° C. within a pyramid structure.

The King‘s chamber has been expanded and the granite ceiling beams are fractured due to some type of massive internal explosion.

The granite coffer has changed from pink to brown due to high temperatures.

The granite coffer and many remnants around the Giza plateau had been machined with some type of triple axis mill, an advanced machine.

Acoustic engineers are demonstrating that the King‘s chamber and the coffer are actually tuned to resonate at a specific frequency - 440Hz.

The Queen‘s chamber had an inch of salt encrustation on the walls and ceiling possibly due to a chemical reactions within the room.

Many mathematicians embrace the building. They show that it incorporates numerous advanced mathematical relations within its design:

The perimeter is equal to a half minute of equatorial longitude or 1/43,2000 earth’s circumference. The height is 1/43,200 earth’s polar radius. Did they know the Earth’s circumference?

The base of natural logarithms, e, is incorporated in the primary angles. Natural logarithms weren’t even discovered until the 1700’s by Euler. How did they know this number?

The number pi is found when taking perimeter and dividing by 2 times height.

Our present day inch based directly on the pyramid inch, and is only 0.001” different.

Many architects marvel at the size and precision of the building:

The Great Pyramid is the largest and most accurately constructed building in the world, ever.

The building is almost perfectly aligned to the polar coordinates, built to within 3 arc minutes from perfection.

The shear volume of blocks, estimated at 2,300,000 blocks, would require 33 quarries to work 24 hours a day for 27 years using modern machines.

The five layers of granite beams of the King’s chamber ceiling weigh 70 tons each.

The 13 acre base is level to within ¾”.

The 756’ sides are equal to +/- 3”, which is far more accurate than modern building standards. Did they really use string to make these measurements?

The 330’ descending passage is straight to within ¼ inch for the entire length. One 90’ stretch is straight to within 1/10 inch.

The casing stones are fit together with an accuracy of +/- 0.005”. Did they form these blocks with copper chisels and beating stones

http://sentinelkennels.com/Research_Article_V41.html

Neuro

29th April 2014, 08:54 AM

thats a lot of time spent on each granite block...

6,000,000 blocks / 1200 months = 5000 blocks laid per month
5000 blocks / 30 days per month = 166.6 blocks laid per day
166.6 blocks / 24 hour working day = 6.9 blocks laid per hour

So given very generous figures, the Egyptologists want you to believe that the Egyptions were able to complete (at a bare minimum) 7 stone blocks weighing 2.0-2.5 Tons every hour of every day for 100 years without days off for accidents or bad weather etc, using only primitive stone and copper tools, plant-fiber ropes and wooden sledges.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?76792-Pyramids-and-The-Orion-Belt-%28mind-blowing%29&p=706943&viewfull=1#post706943
Yes a lot of time spent on each granite block. 8000 tons at 20 tons each equals 400 of them. 40 per year over a ten year period. 10 days for each one with a couple hundred of workers using their primitive tools. Nowadays you can probably cut out one or a few in a day with a machinist and a granite saw, and a guy polishing the stone with some polisher machine. Silly Egyptians couldn't clearly have done it...

Horn

29th April 2014, 10:12 AM

This guy is convinced he's correct,

they were hydrogen generating/fueling stations for Hindenburg type Zeppelins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ux3XbwObB0

Even leaves his phone number to call with any questions...:)

6325

Horn

29th April 2014, 10:18 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSbeN14YsJY

Glass

29th April 2014, 11:04 AM

are the blocks of the pyramid granite or a sandstone? I thought the bulk of it was sandstone or limestone and the special touches were granite or other stone.

Horn

29th April 2014, 11:11 AM

Neuro

29th April 2014, 11:37 AM

Limestone bulk.

Interior features, hallway and king chamber megalithic granite.

I've heard different reports on the sheathing and capstones that were stripped away.

If there ever was a capstone, there is no record of it.
From what I read in this thread sheathing was white limestone from Tura across the Nile, and it was stripped by the Muslims for mosque building in the 14th Century following an earthquake shaking them loose...

Horn

29th April 2014, 12:18 PM

From what I read in this thread sheathing was white limestone from Tura across the Nile, and it was stripped by the Muslims for mosque building in the 14th Century following an earthquake shaking them loose...

The base casing may have been trimmed in granite, and those areas called the base temple. Also the exterior door were the largest pieces of granite.

@ 5min. in to this video shows some of the base casing. The remnant stone itself looks like something carved in the
21st century CNC machined. The temple appears as if it was a pool containing water for extended period.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joGpn53W_y4

Horn

29th April 2014, 03:22 PM

More important than gold and silver.

I recommend changing the forum name. gold-silver-pyramids.us.

More distraction from the silver price, please.

singular_me

29th April 2014, 03:28 PM

To tone it down, I'd say that there are mostly hypotheses (and esoteric knowledge left by the insiders) based on the facts that mainstream archeology is just another massive fraud, just like the monetary system, food supply, chemtrails, etc... the funny thing is that people who stick to the 'dogmatic-academic version want hard evidence to change their minds but expect the irrefutable facts to be delivered to them on a golden platter, instead of beginning themselves the long journey into the maze of disinfo... I actually wonder who is going to read the Manly P Haul's book linking freemasonry to ancient egypt on here? I will!

The elites have perfectly understood that "psychic" bondage is the most important war of all. And anybody not willing to look into sacred geometry will simply not see the stakes involved in the design of the pyramids. All cultures/races possess a piece of the puzzle called Humanity and if we cannot sit down and compare our values and findings, then divide and conquer still has bright days ahead. Maybe Humanity deserves the NWO ???

25 facts about the Great Pyramid of Giza
(proving that the elites conceal knowledge)
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?76792-Pyramids-and-The-Orion-Belt-%28mind-blowing%29/page41

That the shape of pyramids is designed as a conduit for electroganetism and frequencies is not new, otherwise why would they build them all over the planet??

i've read dozens of the "pyramid was a powerplant," "pyramid was a communication device," etc. books. there's zero proof of any of it, in any of them. the "proof" usually falls along the lines of "modern power plants have corridors in them, and there's corridors in the great pyramid, so it must have been a power plant," or "modern phones have wires in them, and we found a wire in the door of chamber 17, so it must have been a communication device." no one has ever proven anything, if they had, there wouldn't be a 42 page thread on it.

Glass

29th April 2014, 05:30 PM

I've read Halls stuff and there is another guy, from slightly earlier that I cant recall the name of. I've discussed them on here before. Hall's work was to document a lot of the hidden signs and explain them. Things like the tarrot and the hidden tarrot of playing cards. He discussed a lot of the alchemical history that is occulted. These days alchemy is called chemistry and potion making is called pharmaceuticals and beauty products although they didn't have much of the last two in his time that is what those practices have become.

Hall also spoke of the calling of spirits and of ethereal experiences. He or the other guy I mentioned had some interesting comments about arcs. Arc comes up a lot in religious history and archeology. It also comes up a lot in Astrology - see Santos videos. It also comes up a lot in occult material. In archeology the arc is considered the coffin. In Astrology it is considered the coffin but also the vessel or boat traveling on the astral plane. It also means a measurement of movement round a circle or globe - minutes of arc.

The occult guys say that when projecting into the ethereal realms do not travel the straight line but travel the arcs otherwise the ethereal spirits will catch you and destroy you. I'm not sure what that means but it caused me to think of that tron movie for some reason. Anyway the mention of Arcs is common in several areas of knowledge and they could all be talking about similar things.

Back on the pyremids, I don't think it's machine because it has corridors. I was not thinking they are designed as corridors and halls etc. I think they could be dual purpose and the primary purpose is not access but signal resonance or projection. I just thought the cross section looked interesting in comparison to modern things like speakers or even satellite dishes. I haven't had time to think on it much. Was just an observation.

singular_me

29th April 2014, 05:43 PM

TRUE OR HOAX?

In the beginning it realy looked like a hill... right?

http://wearechange.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/bosnian_pyramids.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4DWCZ3USiXM/UHK7kWzzhZI/AAAAAAAAIDM/Te6ra7xBHac/s1600/bosnian+pyramid.jpg

then somebody (not Aeondaze:)), got the idea to dig deeper .. and discovered the
Bosnian Pyramids Tunnels.

FROM THE LINK BELOW
The Bosnian Pyramid of Sun, Moon and Dragon each have their four facets perfectly aligned towards the cardinal points, North, South, East and West. This orientation is a common property shared amongst many of the globes ancient Pyramids including the Pyramids of Egypt; Giza and those of China; Shaanxi Province (Photos 3 and 4).

http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/images_new/Tunnels/BosnianPyramiTunnel_WaterImage.JPG

Nine Cases for the Existence of Pyramids in Bosnia
Essay by Richard Hoyle, HumansAreFree.com;
In October of 2005, international media covered a sensational story of a man claiming to have discovered a group of huge, previously unknown ancient Pyramids in Europe.

The man, Anthropologist Dr. Semir Osmanagic, made the fantastic announcement to journalists that he had found the biggest and oldest pyramids in the world and incredibly they were to be found buried in the most unlikely of places: Bosnia.

The ancient structures, Osmanagic explained, were buried in the hillsides surrounding a small sleepy town called Visoko, located 25km North-West of the Bosnian Capital, Sarajevo.

The town, now barely known for its once booming leather industry, would become the centre of a fierce international debate which, after eight years, continues on through to this day.

Photo 1: Dr Semir Osmanagic, directing his hand towards
the Western face of the "Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun". [1]
In 2006, after initial probing and surveying, Osmanagic created the not for profit „Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation‟ and in the summer of that year large scale excavations began.

Almost immediately after Osmanagic started his project the authenticity of his miraculous find was to be called into question. Zahi Hawass, archaeologist and later becoming "Egyptian Minister of Antiquities", released a statement in June of 2006 in which he strongly criticised Osmanagic and his Pyramid hypothesis.

Giving his reasons, Hawass referred to several large blocks that had been excavated by the research teams, explaining that:

"No one can say that these stones were transported by human beings since each weighs approximately 40 tons."

Hawass's explanation for the blocks and the pyramid shaped hill was to be that Osmanagic must be "hallucinating" [2], denying the existence of any pyramids in Bosnia.

Dr Robert Schoch, a geologist of notoriety for his study of the Egyptian Sphinx, also issued a disagreeable statement after he visited the Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids that year. In his comments of the trip, Schoch said he saw nothing unusual in the hills around the Bosnian town.

In a similar fashion to that of Hawass, Schoch's sentiment towards Osmanagic's theory was that the Pyramids must be "imaginary"- and that the pyramids are nothing more than natural geological formations.

Later, at the end of the first year of excavations, in December 2006, seven prominent members of the European Association of Archaeologists issued a condemning joint statement. The archaeologists, including Director of the Council for British Archaeology, Dr Mike Heyworth and another, Professor Hermann Parzinger, President of the German Archaeological Institute, accused Osmanagic of duping the world with his claims of pyramids in Bosnia.

In their statement it reads:

"This [Pyramid] scheme is a cruel hoax on an unsuspecting public and has no place in the world of genuine science." [3]

However, despite the barrage of strong condemnation Osmanagic and his team have continued investigating the sites around Visoko for a further eight years. According to Osmanagic, there are no fewer than 5 buried Pyramids within the vicinity of the town of Visoko with a possibility for as many as nine in total.
LONG http://humansarefree.com/2014/02/essay-nine-cases-supporting-existence.html#sthash.ZqYBWXv2.dpuf

Houston Anthropologist Reveals Irrefutable Proof that Recorded History is Wrong
November 12, 2013
Debbie West, Contributor
Waking Times

Evidence Found Across the Globe of Highly Evolved Human Species from before the Ice Age, Demand Scientific Recognition of our Past that Depicts Societies of Advanced Technology and Culture

Houston anthropologist, Dr. Semir Osmanagich, founder of the Bosnian Archaeology Park, the most active archaeology site in the world, declares that irrefutable scientific evidence exists of ancient civilizations with advanced technology that leaves us no choice but to change our recorded history. An examination of the age of structures across the earth reveals conclusively that they were built by advanced civilizations from over 29,000 years ago.

“Acknowledging that we are witness to fundamental proof of advanced civilizations dating back over 29,000 years and an examination of their societal structures forces the World to reconsider its understanding of the development of civilization and history,” explains Dr. Semir Osmanagich. “Conclusive data at the Bosnian Pyramid site revealed in 2008 and confirmed this year by several independent labs who conducted radio carbon testing dates the site at 29,400 +/-400 years minimum.”

The radiocarbon dating tests of 29,200 years +/- 400 years was done by Radiocarbon Lab from Kiew, Ukraine, on organic material found at the Bosnian Pyramid site. Physicist Dr. Anna Pazdur of Poland’s Silesian University first announced the news at a Press Conference in Sarajevo in August of 2008. Professor of Classical Archaeology from the University of Alexandria Dr. Mona Haggag called this discovery “writing new pages in European and World history.” The C14 date of 29,000 years at the Bosnian Archaeological Park was obtained from a piece of organic material retrieved from a clay layer inside the outer casing to the pyramid. It follows a sample date obtained during the 2012 dig season on material located above the concrete at 24,800 years, meaning this structure has a construction profile stretching back almost 30,000 years.

“The ancient people who built these pyramids knew the secrets of frequency and energy. They used these natural resources to develop technologies and undertake construction on scales we have never witnessed on earth,” said Dr. Osmanagich. Evidence clearly shows that the pyramids were built as ancient energy machines aligned with the earth’s energy grid, providing energy for healing as well as power...........
http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/tag/bosnian-pyramid/

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The Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun, with its’ height of 220 meters, it’s much higher than the Great Pyramid of Egypt, which was originally 147. The Bosnian Pyramid of the Moon, 190 meters, also higher than the Keopsove Pyramid. The third, the Bosnian Pyramid of the Dragon, with the other two – the sun and the moon – form the perfect triangle with the distance of 2.2 kilometers.

The 45-year-old is so certain two pyramids are hidden in Visoko valley that he has spent some 16,000 euros (20,000 dollars) researching the area, located either side of a river about 30 kilometres (18 miles) from the Bosnian capital.

Residents of the nearby town of Visoko have long known about the presence of the two structures they always referred to as 'pyramids' but none of them was ever intrigued enough to investigate further.

But Osmanagic, who says he sharpened his eye for archaeology on numerous trips around the world to study ancient civilisations, insists the structures "cannot be the art of nature".

MADE IN 2012
(several big shot-archerologists featured)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NavCoc0muDc

if you like coast to coast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9F45cqwn5E
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THE ACADEMIC CARTEL STEPPED IN
Thursday, October 28, 2010
Osmanagic remains confident his team will unearth sufficient proof to back that claim.

Given the level of professional skepticism, it will be a tough sell.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence," said Curtis Runnels, an archaeologist at Boston University in Massachusetts and a Balkan prehistory expert.

He says the known Upper Paleolithic peoples in the region were lucky if they could build tents and fires. Monumental architecture on a scale not even seen in Egypt would be a cosmic leap forward.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/pyramid-bosnia-1_2.html

Dogman

29th April 2014, 05:47 PM

The thing that gets me going is the hard rock stonework, and the angles and squareness/finish, there are other locations on this mudball that have the same kind of mastery of working stone, that in our modern day stone masons would have a very hard time to duplicate using modern tools.

Our earth is old enough that several advanced civilizations could risen up and blown themselves away to the point very little remains. Not so hard to drive a society back into caveman existence.

Someone on this thread said if they were so advanced why use stone, and not steel!

My answer is the stone is still here, steel will rust, and structures that are built of stone will out live anything steel, Steel needs weather control, it needs to stay dry or it will rust. Stone does not give a hoot!

Steel is good for reaching for the sky, with a narrow footprint. But any stone building will out live any thing we make with steel.
The weight of stone and the need of massive foundations limit stone as far as height of the building/structure can be.

But unlike steel, (stainless that is another post of the reasons, it may last thousands of years, but ) We are talking carbon steel vs stone.

The mystery endures!

Buddha

29th April 2014, 06:07 PM

"Secrets in Plain Sight", oh man that really nakes me laugh hard...

Keep on trying though...;D

The misspelling makes me think that you're but a troll, well more than just the misspelling... Why is it so hard to believe that this WONDER that could barely be replicated today with it's sheer size, mathematic precision, and stellar alignment, is the product of some higher technology and/or a higher civilization? You do nothing but sling shit around. How much are you paid to post here?

Also someone said "why use stone?" because it's in abundance here, and not needed for the sustenance of the planet, what could be better? "Green" building lol.

Horn

29th April 2014, 06:33 PM

Any Kindergartner knows that stone is best for building, only substitute is monolithic concrete.

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 06:50 PM

The misspelling makes me think that you're but a troll, well more than just the misspelling... Why is it so hard to believe that this WONDER that could barely be replicated today with it's sheer size, mathematic precision, and stellar alignment, is the product of some higher technology and/or a higher civilization? You do nothing but sling shit around. How much are you paid to post here?

Also someone said "why use stone?" because it's in abundance here, and not needed for the sustenance of the planet, what could be better? "Green" building lol.

You entertain all this hocus pocus but get a crease in your night gown over a typo? If you bothered to verify anything you'd find that 'n' sits next to 'm' on the keyboard genius.

Are you so biased that you won't recognise the shit thats been slung by the pro camp and yourself for that matter, hyporcrite. So anyone who happens to disagree with this assinine premise is a troll? I guess thats the kind of pathetic logic we should expect form those that would entertain these bogus theories.

So steel becomes the advanced material of choice does it? You do know how many alloys of 'steel' there are? What about aluminium/magnesium alloys, or carbon composites or even advanced laminates...no this civilisation fits firmly in the Bronze age, a remarkable feat for the time, but hardly a technological challenge in this day and age. Maybe an econimic challenge, but hardly a technological one.

Yeah sure stone is in abundance, just like stupidity.

Dogman

29th April 2014, 07:05 PM

For sure now troll!

Or very narrow thoughts!

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Forum Runner

singular_me

29th April 2014, 07:17 PM

Aeondaze, you are the only one who has resorted to serious insults in this thread and when people react to it, you turn it around... funny.

Bold/re: looks like mainstream-academic-mind-control got you pretty bad.

Are you so biased that you won't recognise the shit thats been slung by the pro camp and yourself for that matter, hyporcrite. So anyone who happens to disagree with this assinine premise is a troll? I guess thats the kind of pathetic logic we should expect form those that would entertain these bogus theories.

Yeah sure stone is in abundance, just like stupidity.

Glass

29th April 2014, 07:35 PM

The thing that gets me going is the hard rock stonework, and the angles and squareness/finish, there are other locations on this mudball that have the same kind of mastery of working stone, that in our modern day stone masons would have a very hard time to duplicate using modern tools.

We hear this a lot in these kind of discussions. I'm not so sure thats the case but I'm not sure what "modern tools" means? Does it mean modern chisels and drills? Or does it mean any modern tool? Monument makers do a pretty decent job of cutting stone and bringing it up to a polished smooth finish.

Are we talking about the size of the blocks and nothing we have can handle those? Not without big trucks and cranes and so on.

We have also sorts of drilling and cutting technology that has high precision. We have high pressure water cutters. Anyway that's all about the how. I am more interested in the why or what for of them.

Buddha

29th April 2014, 07:37 PM

You entertain all this hocus pocus but get a crease in your night gown over a typo? If you bothered to verify anything you'd find that 'n' sits next to 'm' on the keyboard genius.

Are you so biased that you won't recognise the shit thats been slung by the pro camp and yourself for that matter, hyporcrite. So anyone who happens to disagree with this assinine premise is a troll? I guess thats the kind of pathetic logic we should expect form those that would entertain these bogus theories.

So steel becomes the advanced material of choice does it? You do know how many alloys of 'steel' there are? What about aluminium/magnesium alloys, or carbon composites or even advanced laminates...no this civilisation fits firmly in the Bronze age, a remarkable feat for the time, but hardly a technological challenge in this day and age. Maybe an econimic challenge, but hardly a technological one.

Yeah sure stone is in abundance, just like stupidity.

So what's your philosophy o wise one? That slaves built these monstrous, highly mathematically sound structures, for no reason other than thier overlords had them do it for pretty much entertainment

Yes my stone is in abundance, unlike yours.

Dogman

29th April 2014, 07:38 PM

We hear this a lot in these kind of discussions. I'm not so sure thats the case but I'm not sure what "modern tools" means? Does it mean modern chisels and drills? Or does it mean any modern tool? Monument makers do a pretty decent job of cutting stone and bringing it up to a polished smooth finish.

Are we talking about the size of the blocks and nothing we have can handle those? Not without big trucks and cranes and so on.

We have also sorts of drilling and cutting technology that has high precision. We have high pressure water cutters. Anyway that's all about the how. I am more interested in the why or what for of them.Metals that as historicaly have not been found at any archaeological dig anywhere on this planet that can be dated to the times these objects were said to be made. No motors/advanced steel etc, etc, have ever been found. Hell dude just moving those blocks of stone was a feat, but then carving them to the degree they were worked is mind blowing! Taking the understanding of what they had as tech back when.

Very few stonemasons today can do what was done if any , what was done back when these bad boys were made..

Thing is no-one really knows today, there is no definitive proof to verify how these stones were worked along with other very ancient sites around the world that have people baffled by the question .

How did they do it!

You Upside down person you!

:)

Buddha

29th April 2014, 07:57 PM

There is no substance to her claims, she has none. Just to throw shit in the air like a monkey, or one of those poor kids on bikes in her avitar.

Dogman

29th April 2014, 08:05 PM

There is no substance to her claims, she has none. Just to throw shit in the air like a monkey, or one of those poor kids on bikes in her avitar. Agree, but it is an open question on much on how things were done back when.

I take the stand, believe what one wants if it makes them happy, even if those beliefs are on the edgd, hell some here hold to viewpoints that are 180° out of phaze of what the world holds as reality.

And in my time I searched for answers to questions that can not be answered, I for sure do not take anything by blind faith.

So it is all good, as I see it...

singular_me

29th April 2014, 08:22 PM

thats a very good point, Dogman.

I also think that metals, except for gold, eventually return to their initial state they are found in nature - or rust to dust. I am not an expert but if we are talking of 5000BC and beyond, thats the possibility I have in mind.

As we can see rocks/stones defy eons...

Metals that as historicaly have not been found at any archaeological dig anywhere on this planet that can be dated to the times these objects were said to be made. No motors/advanced steel etc, etc, have ever been found. Hell dude just moving those blocks of stone was a feat, but then carving them to the degree they were worked is mind blowing! Taking the understanding of what they had as tech back when.

Very few stonemasons today can do what was done if any , what was done back when these bad boys were made..

Thing is no-one really knows today, there is no definitive proof to verify how these stones were worked along with other very ancient sites around the world that have people baffled by the question .

How did they do it!

You Upside person you!

:)

Glass

29th April 2014, 08:27 PM

I wonder how long an oxidizing metal would last for in the elements? I guess you'd expect to find some thing embedded in some mud or something that stood the test of time. the metals that don't oxidize or do so very slowly might survive 6 to 10 millennia. According to internet the oldest iron artifacts discovered in that region are 3200 years old.

Does that time frame signify the beginning of iron. It's first appearance? Or does it mean that nothing iron can survive longer than say 5K years? If you search this the net will tell you that this particular iron came from a meteorite or something which was then hammered out into trinkets.

We have the iron age which archeologists accept was the first period in human history where iron was actively mined and manufactured. There are artifacts of this period? I've seen digs on sites where there is some slag from the smelting process but that slag had been buried in mud for however many hundred years to help preserve it.

I guess we would expect to see some kind of iron artifacts inside these constructions. I'm not up on the discovery phase of these pyremids. Where they all fully looted or did things remain? Did we have an earlier iron age that has simply rusted away given the time frames?

Is the egyptian environment condusive to that kind of preservation? The city I live in is built on a massive flood plain which has different soil types. The bulk of it is a dry hydrophobic sand. People working in forensics have said that a human skeleton will be fully dissolved after about 25 years if buried in that sand. I'll assume that's correct seeing as their business was investigating murders and digging up grave sites.

edit I see dogmans commented on the metals artifact questions I had

Dogman

29th April 2014, 08:30 PM

I wonder how long an oxidizing metal would last for in the elements? I guess you'd expect to find some think embedded in some mud or something that stood the test of time. the metals that don't oxidize or do so very slowly might survive 6 to 10 millennia. According to internet the oldest iron artifacts discovered in that region are 3200 years old.

Does that time frame signify the beginning of iron. It's first appearance? Or does it mean that nothing iron can survive longer than say 5K years? If you search this the net will tell you that this particular iron came from a meteorite or something which was then hammered out into trinkets.

We have the iron age which archeologists accept was the first period in human history where iron was actively mined and manufactured. There are artifacts of this period? I've seen digs on sites where there is some slag from the smelting process but that slag had been buried in mud for however many hundred years to help preserve it.

I guess we would expect to see some kind of iron artifacts inside these constructions. I'm not up on the discovery phase of these pyremids. Where they all fully looted or did things remain? Did we have an earlier iron age that has simply rusted away given the time frames?

Is the egyptian environment condusive to that kind of preservation? The city I live in is built on a massive flood plain which has different soil types. The bulk of it is a dry hydrophobic sand. People working in forensics have said that a human skeleton will be fully dissolved after about 25 years if buried in that sand. I'll assume that's correct seeing as their business was investigating murders and digging up grave sites.
What I have seen in my short time walking this mud ball, steel out in the elements and if wet, and for sure if oxygen is present it will go poof in time and then you have iron oxide where the steel was.

Stone will hold, steel will not if both are exposed to the elements, steel will hold only if it is in an anaerobic atmosphere (no oxygen) then it would not rust/oxidize.

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 08:40 PM

Aeondaze, you are the only one who has resorted to serious insults in this thread and when people react to it, you turn it around... funny.

Bold/re: looks like mainstream-academic-mind-control got you pretty bad.

Who gives a fuck what your definition of a 'serious insult' is.

An insult is an insult and you've all been guilty as much as myself so don't pretend to be innocent.

Back to the deafening silence your theory meets...FACTS are no one with CREDIBILITY really believes your stupid theory and we can all see how offended you are over it, hahaha ;)

IMPORTANT RECAP AT THIS POINT

1) If archaeologists lie about the age of the pyramids, why do they date Gobekli Tepe to 10,500 BC?

2) If archaeologists "destroy" artefacts, where is the proof?

3) If an advanced civilisastion existed before 3500 BC where are the advanced materials and technology?

4) If an advanced civilisation built the pyramids why chose somehting as primitive as stone?

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 08:45 PM

but then carving them to the degree they were worked is mind blowing! Taking the understanding of what they had as tech back when.

Very few stonemasons today can do what was done if any , what was done back when these bad boys were made..

...there is no definitive proof to verify how these stones were worked along with other very ancient sites around the world that have people baffled by the question .

What drugs are you on. Have you been following ANY of this thread?

MOST OF THE STONES YOU CALL PRECISION CUT, >95% WERE VERY ROUGHLY HEWN. THEY WEREN'T PRECISION CUT, THIS IS MISINFORMATION FROM THESE DOUCHEBAGS AND YOU'RE SWALLOWING IT HOOK LINE AND SINKER.

singular_me

29th April 2014, 08:47 PM

I dont think they found much in the pyramids if anything at all... but in The Valley Of the Kings, most of it has been repeatedly looted over the centuries.

EGYPTOLOGISTS ADMIT PYRAMIDS WERE NOT TOMBS
03/23/2013
The famous case of King Tut came very much later (ca 1330BC) and he was entombed under a cliff in the Valley of Kings – not in a pyramid.

If not a tomb, then what was the pyramid? The Egyptians themselves called the pyramid a ‘mer’, meaning an instrument or machine or ‘cosmic engine’ for literally accomplishing the transformation of the ‘dead body’ into ethereal union with the light of Ra (the sun). They believed that literally, not symbolically or mystically
http://www.beforethedelusion.com/1/post/2013/03/egyptologists-admit-pyramids-were-not-tombs.html

just in

At least 50 mummies unearthed at Egypt's Valley of the Kings
April 29, 2014
Archaeologists have discovered the final resting place of at least 50 royal Egyptians including princes, princesses and infants while excavating a trashed tomb at the Valley of the Kings.

Hieratic inscriptions (a cursive form of hieroglyphs) revealed that most of the mummies in the tomb were related to two pharaohs, Thutmose IV and Amenhotep III, who ruled during the 14th century B.C. The dead included at least eight previously unknown royal daughters, four princes and some children, the archaeologists said.

During Egypt's New Kingdom (1550-1070 B.C.), royals were buried at the Valley of the Kings, a site along the Nile, opposite modern-day Luxor, about 312 miles south of Cairo. King Tutankhamun's tomb is among the best preserved burials to have been discovered at the Valley of the Kings, and new tombs are still being discovered and studied at the site today.

[See Images of the Mummies' Tomb and Egypt's Valley of the Kings]
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/04/29/dozens-mummies-unearthed-at-egypt-valley-kings/

I guess we would expect to see some kind of iron artifacts inside these constructions. I'm not up on the discovery phase of these pyremids. Where they all fully looted or did things remain? Did we have an earlier iron age that has simply rusted away given the time frames?

Buddha

29th April 2014, 08:50 PM

Why not answer my question? What is your theory, lay it out.

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 08:51 PM

I dont think they found much in the pyramids if anything at all... but in The Valley Of the Kings, most of it has been repeatedly looted over the centuries.

just in

At least 50 mummies unearthed at Egypt's Valley of the Kings
April 29, 2014
Archaeologists have discovered the final resting place of at least 50 royal Egyptians including princes, princesses and infants while excavating a trashed tomb at the Valley of the Kings.

Hieratic inscriptions (a cursive form of hieroglyphs) revealed that most of the mummies in the tomb were related to two pharaohs, Thutmose IV and Amenhotep III, who ruled during the 14th century B.C. The dead included at least eight previously unknown royal daughters, four princes and some children, the archaeologists said.

During Egypt's New Kingdom (1550-1070 B.C.), royals were buried at the Valley of the Kings, a site along the Nile, opposite modern-day Luxor, about 312 miles south of Cairo. King Tutankhamun's tomb is among the best preserved burials to have been discovered at the Valley of the Kings, and new tombs are still being discovered and studied at the site today.

[See Images of the Mummies' Tomb and Egypt's Valley of the Kings]
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/04/29/dozens-mummies-unearthed-at-egypt-valley-kings/

JUST IN!

This has nothing to do with your pathetic theory FWIW, so why bother posting it...

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 08:55 PM

Why not answer my question? What is your theory, lay it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQkpes3dgzg

Huh?

Buddha

29th April 2014, 08:57 PM

Horn

29th April 2014, 08:58 PM

What drugs are you on. Have you been following ANY of this thread?

MOST OF THE STONES YOU CALL PRECISION CUT, >95% WERE VERY ROUGHLY HEWN. THEY WEREN'T PRECISION CUT, THIS IS MISINFORMATION FROM THESE DOUCHEBAGS AND YOU'RE SWALLOWING IT HOOK LINE AND SINKER.

Those stones would need to be precision and level cut to remain stackable on at least the two vertical surfaces.

As is shown in all the videos, and in the very presentation of the pyramid itself, they are precision cut to level, 4 sides would be preferable.

Reason the japs from Nipon had to resort to air jacks to achieve the cut (as was posted in the singular vid) to chisel it level would have taken them years to achieve, and much more limestone to throw away all the gross errors in chiseling mistakes.

The harder the stone, (in the granite case) a higher level of precision was applied.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joGpn53W_y4

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 08:59 PM

thats a very good point, Dogman.

I also think that metals, except for gold, eventually return to their initial state they are found in nature - or rust to dust. I am not an expert

WTF?

Since when do you believe in EXPERTS?

You've stated time and time again that you think all scientific experts are NWO supporting blood sucking baby murderes, and then you go and make a statement like this?

Seriously, you have issues. :confused:

Buddha

29th April 2014, 08:59 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQkpes3dgzg

Huh?

Thats a Hollywood movie, not your theories. I guess you're just to stupid to reason with, or paid too much to do so..

Dogman

29th April 2014, 09:00 PM

Yeah rough hewn, can barely stick a razor blade through them thousands of years laterThe guy is reaching and doing it in a very obnoxious manner but what the hay? He does give good counter points more shifted to reality, even if his delivery sucks.

Edit: he may not be able to help it seeing he is another upside down person south of the zero line as far as longitude goes.

Known some really old farts, that were direct and to their points of views..

But tearing down the ones they are responding to, to the point of insults, is up to the mods of the right or wrong.

Insets lead to isolation and bad reps.

Nuff said, maybe said too much anyway..

Carry on.

steyr_m

29th April 2014, 09:03 PM

Yeah rough hewn, can barely stick a razor blade through them thousands of years later

Hey, there's a better way.

Just /ignore

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?76792-Pyramids-and-The-Orion-Belt-(mind-blowing)&p=704857#post704857

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 09:03 PM

Those stones would need to precision and level cut to remain stackable on at least the two vertical surfaces.

As is shown in all the videos, and in the very presentation of the pyramid itself, they are precision cut to level, 4 sides would be preferable.

Reason the japs from Nipon had to resort to air jacks to achieve the cut (as was posted in the singular vid) to chisel it level would have taken them years to achieve, and much more limestone to throw away all the gross errors in chiseling mistakes.

The harder the stone, (in the granite case) a higher level of precision was applied.

Whilst you might be prone to making mistakes professionals rarely do, I undertand how difficult this is for a neophyte to understand, lol.:D

I re-assert my claim >95% of blocks were ROUGHLY hewn, FACT

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 09:06 PM

All the internet GANG BANGERS come out in force, because without each other they wouldn't have a leg to stand on...:o

Dogman

29th April 2014, 09:09 PM

All the internet GANG BANGERS come out in force, because without each other they wouldn't have a leg to stand on...:o

U really want to be an ass hat!

Amazing!

No cookies for you!

Buddha

29th April 2014, 09:10 PM

The guy is reaching and doing it in a very obnoxious manner but what the hay? He does give good counter points more shifted to reality, even if his delivery sucks.
You are right, she's like a bad relief pitcher /ignore

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 09:16 PM

Thats a Hollywood movie, not your theories. I guess you're just to stupid to reason with, or paid too much to do so..

I ain't holding your hand, I don't do requests. Try doing some honest work and read the fucking thread yourslef!

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 09:17 PM

U really want to be an ass hat!

Amazing!

No cookies for you!

I do my own dirty work, I don't need a team of gang bangers to make a point.

singular_me

29th April 2014, 09:19 PM

Aeondaze, this binge is really exposing your temper and irrationality..

yes I am NOT an expert in metal degradation

nobody is perfect :)

are you???

edit: one thing I know for sure is that all these metallic constructions around us, especially in big cities, do cause harm in the long run.

WTF?

Since when do you believe in EXPERTS?

You've stated time and time again that you think all scientific experts are NWO supporting blood sucking baby murderes, and then you go and make a statement like this?

Seriously, you have issues. :confused:

Horn

29th April 2014, 09:21 PM

Machine Tools in Ancient Egypt:

Although the idea was first raised by Petrie, it has resurfaced recently through the work of Clive Dunn (1), who provides good evidence of 'Machined' artefacts at Giza. He reminds us that Petrie also recognised that the few remaining tools from the period were 'insufficient to explain Egyptian artefacts'.

Dunn reviewed certain igneous artefacts inspected by Petrie and concluded that they 'almost undeniably indicate machine power was used by the pyramid builders'.

Egyptologists maintain that the work (including granite), was completed with copper and stone tools, although this has been contested on the basis that the spiral tool-marks in certain core samples indicate that a metal (or precious stone) stronger than copper would have been required.

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/Images/countries/Egyptian%20pics/granitegroovemarks.jpg

The photo (right), is a close-up of the tool-marks on a granite sample. Their definition, length and regular separation denote the use of both a harder-than-granite tip, and a constant pressure.

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/egyptxtremasonry.htm (http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/egyptxtremasonry.htm)

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 09:22 PM

Aeondaze, this binge is really exposing your temper and irrationality..

yes I am NOT an expert in metal degradation

nobody is perfect :)

are you???

Finally, some rational thought. You admit you're no expert, so why do you think you know better than they on this particular topic?

Your affront is stagering.

FWIW, its not called dedradtion, in this context its called oxidation.

Fe ---> Fe2O3 ---> Fe3O4

Dogman

29th April 2014, 09:22 PM

You are right, she's like a bad relief pitcher /ignore

I have never ignored anyone here, this still is the best open forum on the net, even after Nero was made mod to make this place more civil.

Kudos Nero! Keep it up, you are doing a fine job making this place civil, not censored but civil..

Nero if you leave I probably will also, have fought the fight to keep this forum growing and accepting people of different viewpoints,

It is all good!

Or bad!

But now there are limits on attacks on members here, which is a very good thing.

Peace!

Charles

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 09:25 PM

the spiral tool-marks in certain core samples indicate that a metal (or precious stone) stronger than copper would have been required.

Thats right, its called bronze einstein.

OMG, you don't even have a rudimentary understanding of the concepts involved.

Awoke

29th April 2014, 09:25 PM

Who is aeondaze? (His old username)

and lol at carbon dating.

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 09:29 PM

Who is aeondaze? (His old username)

and lol at carbon dating.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I've never had one interaction with you and you show up slinging shit.

Another useless internet gang banger who has nothing original to add to the discusion other than take part in the latest attmept at internet gang banging, good for you lame arse.

Dogman

29th April 2014, 09:33 PM

One reaps what one sows! And karma is a bitch!

Nuff said!

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 09:38 PM

One reaps what one sows! And karma is a bitch!

Nuff said!

Yeah thats right, how many times have you been banned again?

Dogman

29th April 2014, 09:39 PM

Yeah thats right, how many times have you been banned again?Bunch and deserved every one of them.

Now what is your excuse for your behavior?

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 09:43 PM

Bunch and deserved every one of them.

Now what is your excuse for your behavior?

Behaviour? What is this the third grade? How about you all grow a pair and stop crying like a bunch of little babies...:'(

Its the internet for godsake, not a hermetically sealed kindergarten, lol

Horn

29th April 2014, 09:43 PM

I re-assert my claim >95% of blocks were ROUGHLY hewn, FACT

Buncha Hassan chopped blocks,

No concern for level there...uhuh

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/192045d234ad5beaf.jpg

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 09:48 PM

Buncha Hassan chopped blocks,

No concern for level there...uhuh

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/192045d234ad5beaf.jpg

Thanks horn, proves exactly what I'm saying, look at the irregularity of those blocks! They look VERY roughly hewn.

Dogman

29th April 2014, 09:49 PM

But look at the size of the arch blocks and the angles and fit. Huge stones.

Use the people in the pic for size reference. Also some of the stones have very good angles, who in the hell after maybe a few thousand years can understand how that big pile of rocks would settled.

What was maybe straight now has waves, hell most houses now will settle and what once was straight is now not.

Huge stones , and unquestionably master stone work.

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 09:53 PM

But look at the size of the arch blocks and the angles and fit. Huge stones.

Use the people in the pic for size reference.

Yeah, you couldn't even fit a razor blade in there! [/sarcasm]

So what, they're big stones...

Dogman

29th April 2014, 09:59 PM

Yeah, you couldn't even fit a razor blade in there! [/sarcasm]

So what, they're big stones...

Never said that you have me confused with another poster, but there are south American stonework you can not fit any feeler gauge between them, razors are punk the thickness of the gauge is the important thing. tight fits.

Tho, I need to research, think I remember that some of the Egyptian stone work also had very tight fits.

You make good points it is your delivery that sucks mostly.

Get the dam chip off your shoulder!

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 10:02 PM

Never said that you have me confused with another poster, but there are south American stonework you can not fit any feeler gauge between them, razors are punk the thickness of the gauge is the important thing. tight fits.

Tho, I need to research, think I remember that some of the Egyptian stone work also had very tight fits.

You make good points it is your delivery that sucks mostly.

Get the dam chip off your shoulder!

Ok, but thats not the Egyptian pyramids.

Point taken, some people like to go to the range a shoot a few clips for fun, I like to get online and ruffle some feathers...;)

Dogman

29th April 2014, 10:12 PM

Ok, but thats not the Egyptian .

Point taken, some people like to go to the range a shoot a few clips for fun, I like to get online and ruffle some feathers...;)I like both, but some feathers not myself, I do not really give a crap but some do give a crap..hope that came across.

I like the way you take the devils advocate. and so far has presented valid counter points. You do make and has made good valid points.

It is the way you ruffle feathers that concerns me and outrages U generate in others in our virtual home.

Peace!

Edit: Need to look but I am sure I saw at one time that some of the pyramids stone was very close fits, on the par of the south american stones.

Horn

29th April 2014, 10:17 PM

Thanks horn, proves exactly what I'm saying, look at the irregularity of those blocks! They look VERY roughly hewn.

Those blocks are perfectly level, which equals not even just hewn, let alone roughly hewn.

Roughly Hewn is Stonehenge, chopped. Giza is level cut.

Chiseled is not even hewn, so what you're really saying is they weren't even chiseled.

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 10:21 PM

I like the way you take the devils advocate. and so far has presented valid counter points. You do make and has made good valid points.

The devils advocate would presupose that I took this position not necesasarily agreeing with it, which is not the case. I firmly believe that Bronze age man built the pyramids, all the evidence suggests that, all archaeologists have faith in the theory even Occams razzor would suggest that this explanation is the most correct. That isn't the devils advocate.

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 10:24 PM

Those blocks are perfectly level, which equals not even just hewn, let alone roughly hewn.

Roughly Hewn is Stonehenge, chopped. Giza is level cut.

Chiseled is not even hewn, so what you're really saying is they weren't even chiseled.

C'mon Horn, old mate! I didn't say they weren't chiseled. Do I need to give you a rudimentary lesson in stonemasonry? How does one take out the chisels marks on a stone surface?

Have you ever done any lapidary, you know grinding and polishing of stones? What is the hardness of limestone? Its is 3-4 on Mohs scale, do you have any experience in how soft this actually is? Its pretty soft, a lot closer to talc in softness than Quatrz, Si02.

Horn

29th April 2014, 10:27 PM

Aeon would have us believe we could build a great pyramid with his "roughly hewn" bronze age tools.

6328

Dogman

29th April 2014, 10:28 PM

The devils advocate would presupose that I took this position not necesasarily agreeing with it, which is not the case. I firmly believe that Bronze age man built the pyramids, all the evidence suggests that, all archaeologists have faith in the theory even Occams razzor would suggest that this explanation is the most correct. That isn't the devils advocate.

My choice of words, yes copper could not do it, bronze with water and grit, maybe. but there is no empirical evidence to prove anyone right or wrong.

Horn

29th April 2014, 10:33 PM

My choice of words, yes copper could not do it, bronze with water and grit, maybe. but there is no empirical evidence to prove anyone right or wrong.

You aren't going to go back to bronze when you needed Iron to do fine cut the granite...

Bronze won't touch red granite, unless you like working with 90' bent chisels to eternity.

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 10:34 PM

Aeon would have us believe we could build a great pyramid with his "roughly hewn" bronze age tools.

6328

Just goes to show how little you know about bronze age metallurgy.

How many different types of bronze are there? Do you really think bronze age metallurgists had no idea about alloy composition?

So what you've admited by default is you know nothing about stonemasonry and nothing about metallurgy...not a very good starting position to argue such an asinine point from, lol:o

singular_me

29th April 2014, 10:40 PM

aeondaze
Thanks horn, proves exactly what I'm saying, look at the irregularity of those blocks! They look VERY roughly hewn.

horn
Those blocks are perfectly level, which equals not even just hewn, let alone roughly hewn.

sure, .. if there ARE perfectly leveled, considering the its weight and size it cant be otherwise, or the pyramid would have collapsed a loooong time ago.

Dogman

29th April 2014, 10:42 PM

You aren't going to go back to bronze when you needed Iron to do fine cut the granite...

Bronze won't touch red granite, unless you like working with 90' bent chisels to eternity. Bronze with water and grit, could cut it. but it can not explain some of the cuts/angles/finishes that they achieved.

But there is no evidence that they had iron, none , not any, if they had iron tools they went poof!

Hitch

29th April 2014, 10:45 PM

49 pages of cock fighting.

Longest thread on the forum?

Wow.

aeondaze

29th April 2014, 10:46 PM

You aren't going to go back to bronze when you needed Iron to do fine cut the granite...

Bronze won't touch red granite, unless you like working with 90' bent chisels to eternity.

What is the harndess of common mild steel? 140 HV, hardened would be about 900. Tin bronze (10%) is 80 HV, when heat treated and work hardened can be 240 HV with a maximun hardness found of 290 HV, whereas copper on its own is only about 40, so we are talking about an increase in hardness of about 700%. Thats a lot, enough to carve granite.

Horn

29th April 2014, 10:49 PM

Quit being the fool, Aeon.

Half your archeohomo crowd lumps Copper together with the Bronze age.

Why?

Because its basically the same friggin thing.

Neither copper nor bronze will touch rose granite, excepting maybe a rather huge and grossly large chisel chopping your "roughly hewn" pieces when dropped from a great height.

Tin chisel boy, we've already proved we are beyond the chisel.

Horn

29th April 2014, 11:09 PM

Dogman

30th April 2014, 12:28 AM

Certainly they would have some of this high grade extreme temper Bronze left over from all the spent chisels to make multitudes of Bronze Eqyptian trinkets.

Or was Bronze the reason they lost to Hyksos axe?

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Bronze is tougher than copper, bronze its bronze no temper to it! Tho work harding is a real thing.

Edit, it can be cold hardened, by working it cold and back when they did by the evidence of tools recovered.

Still is and will be into the future, a unknown, unless proof is dug up.

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aeondaze

30th April 2014, 12:52 AM

Carving granite would certainly have been a lot easier with tool iron than bornze, no contest.

So the question begs asking did the Egytptians have tool steel? The answer maybe yes...

Iron in ancient Egypt:
J.R. Hill was an assistant of Howard Vyse, who blasted a passage to the upper relieving chambers of Khufu's pyramid. When blasting away the two outer stone layers at the exit of one of the air shafts, he found a piece of iron (no tool) which was 26 cm by 8.6 cm large. J.R. Hill made the following statement:

"This is to certify, that the piece of iron found by me near the mouth of the air-passage, in the southern side of the Great Pyramid at Gizeh, on Friday, May 26th, was taken out by me from an inner joint, after having removed by blasting the two outer tiers of the stones of the present surface of the Pyramid; and that no joint or opening of any sort was connected with the above-mentioned joint, by which the iron could have been placed in it after the original building of the Pyramid. I also shewed the exact point to Mr. Perring, on Saturday, June 24th." [3]

The well known archeologist W. Petrie [9], who also investigated the pyramids said:

"That sheet iron was employed we know, from the fragment found by Howard Vyse in the masonry of the south air channel; and though some doubt has been thrown on the piece, merely from its rarity, yet the vouchers for it are very precise; and it has a cast of a nummulite on the rust of it, proving it to have been buried for ages beside a block of nummulitic limestone, and therefore to be certainly ancient. No reasonable doubt can therefore exist about its being really a genuine piece used by the Pyramid masons; and probably such pieces were required to prevent crowbars biting into the stones, and to ease the action of the rollers."

This find is controversial, even with Dr Sayed El Gayer and Dr M. P. Jones who had a look at the piece 1989 and found the following:

"The nickel content is far less than 7%, thereby confirming that it is not meteoritic iron - certainly man-made. It had been smelted at a temperature of between 1000º and 1100º centigrade. It had traces of gold on one face."

Using Franz Löhner's methods for stone cutting doesn't imply you will find iron tools on or inside the pyramid - since those tools were primarily necessary to cut the hard granite. Anyway, because the stones were cut and beveled at the stone quarries there is not much need of iron tools on the pyramid itself

As Neuro stated, its a lot easier to accept they had acces to Iron in 2500 BC than it is to believe aliens or some hitherto unknown advanced civilisation built them. At least we have some evidence of manufactured steel, whereas we have nothing other than faith and imagination.

To use this as evidence the Egyptians didn't build the pyramids is dubious to say the least. As I've said before and many here have admited, we don't know everything about the Egyptians. To then make the assumption that everything we know is wrong, or that information has been withheld and/or destroyed is purely pathological.

Manufactured Iron has been found that dates to this period. Thats good enough for me to consider it very plausible.

Horn

30th April 2014, 01:26 AM

Machine Tools in Ancient Egypt:

Although the idea was first raised by Petrie, it has resurfaced recently through the work of Clive Dunn (1), who provides good evidence of 'Machined' artefacts at Giza. He reminds us that Petrie also recognised that the few remaining tools from the period were 'insufficient to explain Egyptian artefacts'.

Dunn reviewed certain igneous artefacts inspected by Petrie and concluded that they 'almost undeniably indicate machine power was used by the pyramid builders'.

Egyptologists maintain that the work (including granite), was completed with copper and stone tools, although this has been contested on the basis that the spiral tool-marks in certain core samples indicate that a metal (or precious stone) stronger than copper would have been required.

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/Images/countries/Egyptian%20pics/granitegroovemarks.jpg

The photo (right), is a close-up of the tool-marks on a granite sample. Their definition, length and regular separation denote the use of both a harder-than-granite tip, and a constant pressure.

Go ahead and try your figurative hard Bronze, or now Iron chisels (that there are no evidence of) trying to make seamless joints within .005" tolerance in pink granite.

I'll use my figurative machining device (that there is no evidence of) and do it, while you will not have a chance at even coming close, and then while you're still trying to make one block in your lifetime I will finish the next 95% of the limestone work.

Regardless, neither of us would then be ancient Egyptians, and Romans would've invented the microwave.

aeondaze

30th April 2014, 01:31 AM

Go ahead and try your figurative hard Bronze chisels (that there are no evidence of) trying to make seamless joints within .005" tolerance in pink granite.

I'll use my figurative machining device (that there is no evidence of) and do it, while you will not have a chance at even coming close. While you're still trying to make one block in your lifetime I will finish the next 95% of the limestone work.

Whatever...:(??

Why would I even consider reading anything you have to say anymore seeing as your comprehension across many fields is utterly lacking.

Horn

30th April 2014, 01:41 AM

How is that, Aeon?

What are you imagining with that false sense of history you have stuck between your ears?

Neuro

30th April 2014, 03:06 AM

Go ahead and try your figurative hard Bronze, or now Iron chisels (that there are no evidence of) trying to make seamless joints within .005" tolerance in pink granite.

I'll use my figurative machining device (that there is no evidence of) and do it, while you will not have a chance at even coming close, and then while you're still trying to make one block in your lifetime I will finish the next 95% of the limestone work.

Regardless, neither of us would then be ancient Egyptians, and Romans would've invented the microwave.
So no iron tools, but advanced stone working machinery (lathes, saws, drills, grinders)? :)

singular_me

30th April 2014, 06:09 AM

theory easier to accept? The theories/hypotheses we choose to follow and endorse are all based on our own perception of reality. The more awareness and knowledge the bigger the scope we have about life. And since everything starts with a dream which later becomes reality...

90% of everything we know is wrong because it is corrupt, why do you think cancers, autism, and other illness prosper these days... and I could go on and on, but it always is the same bottom line: because 90% of scientists follow the academia blindly, endorse poisonous vaccines, GMOs, fluoride, pesticides, etc.. ooh and by the way, we also have to thank mainstream academia for not putting an end to nuclear plants decades ago, now oceans are so polluted (fushikama especially) that we cant eat seafood anymore...

trying to defend mainstream academia at this stage is delusional. Most of what we know about ancient egypt is corrupt/biased/wrong... deal with it. Mainstream academia has corrupted the fact behind the Battle of Waterloo that allowed rothschild to take over the bank of england, the origins of the UN... (and I could go on and on, the list of FACTS is endless)... and YOU expect them to tell you the truth about ancient cultures?

Anything mainstream is merely good to use to see where the flaws/lies/deceptions are... thank god we have them!! Isnt it odd that the negative leads to the positive, a better understanding of what is really going on?

If you are not interested in what has a 33 degree mason to say, that your problem. Many out there want to know. Just dont say that Sacred Geometry is crap. Or maybe do you imply that the NWO/freemasonry is a figment of our imagination?

Secrets in Plain Sight - A side splitting yet fascinating mockumentary for the archaeologicaly inept and wilfully ignorant. "I literaly couldn't stop laughing" - Rolling Stone Magazine "Its like watching a train wreck, but funnier" - NYT

And by the way Aeondaze, you should put the link of *secrets in plain sight* in your signature, to give at least a chance to people to make up there own minds..... but I digress, I just googled the whole sentence and keywords and nothing came up. I'd assume that a Rolling Stone Mag hyperlink would directly pop on the first page... nothing with NYT either... is your signature made up too?... the only hyperlink showing up is that of GSUS... are you into fabrications?

google this: "I literaly couldn't stop laughing" - Rolling Stone Magazine "Its like watching a train wreck, but funnier
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22I+literaly+couldn%27t+stop+laughing%22 +-+Rolling+Stone+Magazine+%22Its+like+watching+a+tra in+wreck%2C+but+funnier%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#channel=sb&q=%22I+literaly+couldn%27t+stop+laughing%22+-+Rolling+Stone+Magazine+%22Its+like+watching+a+tra in+wreck%2C+but+funnier&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

secrets in plain sight Rolling stone magazine
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Secrets in Plain Sight - A side splitting yet fascinating mockumentary for the archaeologicaly inept and wilfully ignorant. https://www.google.com/search?q=%22I+literaly+couldn%27t+stop+laughing%22 +-+Rolling+Stone+Magazine+%22Its+like+watching+a+tra in+wreck%2C+but+funnier%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#channel=sb&q=Secrets+in+Plain+Sight+-+A+side+splitting+yet+fascinating+mockumentary+for +the+archaeologicaly+inept+and+wilfully+ignorant.&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

1 RESULT THOUGH (exposing another lie)
Secrets in Plain Sight in Censored Book's Reprint - The New ...
www.nytimes.com/2010/09/18/us/18book.html‎
The New York Times Sep 17, 2010 - The Pentagon blacked out hundreds of supposed secrets in a new,

So the question begs asking did the Egytptians have tool steel? The answer maybe yes...
As Neuro stated, its a lot easier to accept they had acces to Iron in 2500 BC than it is to believe aliens or some hitherto unknown advanced civilisation built them. At least we have some evidence of manufactured steel, whereas we have nothing other than faith and imagination.

To use this as evidence the Egyptians didn't build the pyramids is dubious to say the least. As I've said before and many here have admited, we don't know everything about the Egyptians. To then make the assumption that everything we know is wrong, or that information has been withheld and/or destroyed is purely pathological.

Manufactured Iron has been found that dates to this period. Thats good enough for me to consider it very plausible.