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aeondaze

30th April 2014, 06:23 AM

theory easier to accept? The theories/hypotheses we choose to follow and endorse are all based on our own perception of reality. The more awareness and knowledge the bigger the scope we have about life. And since everything starts with a dream which later becomes reality...

Blah blah blah, just more of the same, a lot of hot air. Making a bunch of useless catch phrases into rules to live your life by is a recipe for FAILURE.

90% of everything we know is wrong because it is corrupt, why do you think cancers, autism, and other illness prosper these days... and I could go on and on, but it always is the same bottom line: because 90% of scientists follow the academia blindly, endorse poisonous vaccines, GMOs, fluoride, pesticides, etc.. ooh and by the way, we also have to thank mainstream academia for not putting an end to nuclear plants decades ago, now oceans are so polluted (fushikama especially) that we cant eat seafood anymore... trying to defend mainstream academia at this stage is just a prove of brainwashing.

So now you bring up GMO's fluoride and pesticide that have NOTHING to do with the discussion, you really are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Mainstream academia is another useless catch phrase you like to throw in there that is next to menaingless. You're completely incapable of looking at each subject on its own merits and viewing each independantly, hence why you cannot fathom how ludicrous your beliefs are.

On the one hand you ridicule modern archaeology and then you go and post info and a link to some recent archaeological finds...:(??

What gives?

You can't have it both ways, but I guess consistancy has never been your forte.

And by the way Aeondaze, you should put the link of secret in plain sight in your signature, to give at least a chance to people to make up there own minds. but I digress, I just googled the whole sentence and keywords and nothing came up. I'd assume that a Rolling Stone Mag hyperlink would directly pop on the first page... nothing with NYT either... is your signature made up too?

I'm glad you noticed, pretty creative huh? I ain't adding a link to that piece of genius, it would ruin its integrity, lol...:-*

aeondaze

30th April 2014, 06:43 AM

google this: "I literaly couldn't stop laughing" - Rolling Stone Magazine "Its like watching a train wreck, but funnier
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22I+literaly+couldn%27t+stop+laughing%22 +-+Rolling+Stone+Magazine+%22Its+like+watching+a+tra in+wreck%2C+but+funnier%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#channel=sb&q=%22I+literaly+couldn%27t+stop+laughing%22+-+Rolling+Stone+Magazine+%22Its+like+watching+a+tra in+wreck%2C+but+funnier&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

secrets in plain sight Rolling stone magazine
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22I+literaly+couldn%27t+stop+laughing%22 +-+Rolling+Stone+Magazine+%22Its+like+watching+a+tra in+wreck%2C+but+funnier%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#channel=sb&q=secrets+in+plain+sight+Rolling+stone+magazine&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Secrets in Plain Sight - A side splitting yet fascinating mockumentary for the archaeologicaly inept and wilfully ignorant. https://www.google.com/search?q=%22I+literaly+couldn%27t+stop+laughing%22 +-+Rolling+Stone+Magazine+%22Its+like+watching+a+tra in+wreck%2C+but+funnier%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#channel=sb&q=Secrets+in+Plain+Sight+-+A+side+splitting+yet+fascinating+mockumentary+for +the+archaeologicaly+inept+and+wilfully+ignorant.&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

hahaha, you bothered to google this? I am flatered...^-^

Its called satire goldie...lol ;D

singular_me

30th April 2014, 06:56 AM

gald to see that you are ready to FABRICATE a signature... to make a point.... and no wonder you support mainstream academia. EDIT: You have the same mentality.

hahaha, you bothered to google this? I am flatered...^-^ DSo now you bring up GMO's fluoride and pesticide that have NOTHING to do with the discussion,

it is important to SEE how pervasive lies are in our system/societies to beginning to QUESTION EVERYTHING, take notice of what rogue/fringe scientists and historians say first and then follow the money/power trails.

if sciences, sociology, psychiatry, financial system are mega deceptions... why not history? Really?

aeondaze

30th April 2014, 06:59 AM

If you are not interested in what has a 33 degree mason to say, that your problem. Many out there want to know. Just dont say that Sacred Geometry is crap. Or maybe do you imply that the NWO/freemasonry is a figment of our imagination?

I'm not that interested, they are as full of shit as I believe you to be, for all I know you and your theories are a masonic front.

Geometry is exactly what it is, geometry. It isn't sacred, you and your masnoic brethren may try to infuse it with a spiritual element, but its just a word for the mathematics involved with shape, size, relative positions and the properties of space.

Everything to you has to be 'spiritual' in nature, I get that part.

The problem is, when you try to relate EVERYTHING back to some mystic/esoteric element you put unecessary weight on it, weight that it just doesn't deserve. You laden it down with nonsensical gobeldy gook and for the most part miss the whole fucking point, it passes you right by and the kernel of truth contained within drowns in its own mystic waters from over analysis and intelectual masturbation.

aeondaze

30th April 2014, 07:02 AM

gald to see that you are ready to FABRICATE a signature... to make a point.... and no wonder you support mainstream academia.

Its called S-A-T-I-R-E, fabrication is what you've done with your supposed 'theory'.:D

aeondaze

30th April 2014, 07:19 AM

if sciences, sociology, psychiatry, financial system are mega deceptions... why not history? Really?

See you make sweeping statements again that can't possibly be true. 'Science' is just a tool we use to understand the the nature of our universe, its right there for all to see, like gravity, there is no deception there, if you disagree with this then go jump off a twenty story building now, let see how you go.

The whole thing starts off with a dislike of modern archaeology, then it morphs into this monster where now the whole of science is a fraud and it gets lumped in with phsychology and global finance and its just not true what you are saying, and I KNOW you don't think this either because you haven't jumped off that twenty story building have you?

So why make these sweeping statements? The answer I guess is that you are angry and that anger drives you to lash out at anything and everything and in your heightened phsychosis you choose to make Egypt/Masons/sacred geometry a misguided personal crusade.

I've said it before, your BIGGEST mistake is to throw the baby out with the bath water, its a deranged response and I caution you, bring a little more sobriety to your arguments, take each issue on its own merit.

\uu\

singular_me

30th April 2014, 08:10 AM

aeondaze

30th April 2014, 08:27 AM

it is not my theory BUT a spiritual-and-power-elite one which is as old as mankind... and fully followed by Vatican/zionist/freemason, keep pretending that it is not there, eventually you will run into a brick wall.

if it were a satire, you'd have made up magazines/newspapers' names... :)

No you're right, its actually someone elses theory that you subscribe to, you don't have the requisite imigination to come up with it yourself...:rolleyes:

How old is mankind then? You would need to know this first and foremost to be able to make that statement.

Here we go again, you're ascribing some kind of non-existant supernatural power to these miscreants and by default automatically disempowering youself and everyone else that falls for your theories.

Perhaps thats the whole point of your 'theorising' and the main reason why I'm suspicious that you're some kind of masonic front. :(??

These people eat, shit and sleep just like the rest of us. The only power they hold over us is that which we allow them and it appers by your very beliefs you're handing over all your power to them...

Here's one for you goldie...lol :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fz85FE0KtQ

Horn

30th April 2014, 11:17 AM

Evidence of a global cataclysm can only be postulated as fact if it were delivered as punishment to mankind in biblical proportion.

"Modern western mainstream archaeology" works towards supporting the myth of a pharonic man god, which Aeon prays to.

All other evidence of cataclysmic flood will be rewritten by science conforming to biblical fact,

man was just a dirty Cretin before the flood hardly capable of any valuable thought. or if any thought valued it were alien and evil.

A 4000-year-old tablet from ancient Mesopotamia contains the specifications for an ark pre-dating the story of Noah

http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/a-4000yearold-tablet-from-ancient-mesopotamia-contains-the-specifications-for-an-ark-predating-the-story-of-noah/story-fnjwl1aw-1226810293590

singular_me

30th April 2014, 03:23 PM

here we go.. Sumaria enters the picture... have you noticed HOW the elites always manage to regulate knowledge? After centuries of battle between rogue and mainstream scientists/historians, they permit another bit of truth to disturb the conventional/orthodox approaches... for a long time christians were told to dismiss anything that doesnt come from the Bible, but now they have to realize that the Deluge tale is indeed reported in other myths. More similarities are going to pop up... just wait and see.

.... pre-dating the story of Noah... how far back is it?

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But Finkel said that while the design appear sound, but he isn't sure a "coracle" of that scale would have floated

David Owen, professor of ancient Near Eastern studies at Cornell University, said the British Museum curator had made "an extraordinary discovery."

Elizabeth Stone, an expert on the antiquities of ancient Mesopotamia at New York's Stony Brook University, said it made sense that ancient Mesopotamians would depict their mythological ark as round.

This is not the first time the ancient story of the ark has been found outside of the bible. But it is the earliest.

The flood story recurs in later Mesopotamian writings including the "Epic of Gilgamesh."

Finkel says the discovery may cause dissent among believers in the biblical story. When 19th-century British Museum scholars first learned from cuneiform tablets that the Babylonians had a flood myth, they were disturbed by its similarities to the story of Noah.

Santa

30th April 2014, 04:00 PM

I'm holding back on my opinion until the "official" story comes out with a "commission report" that puts this bad boy to rest.

singular_me

30th April 2014, 04:30 PM

LOLLOLOL.. what I think is that the Cataclysmic Deluge truly happened. It is the event that matters most... now names varies from one narration/textbooks/scriptures to the next.:)

I'm holding back on my opinion until the "official" story comes out with a "commission report" that puts this bad boy to rest.

singular_me

30th April 2014, 05:11 PM

it is simply illusory to defeat whatever nemeses if neglecting what they know.... learning what they know to use their power agaisnt them is necesary to get to the bottom of the issue.

That is how most martial arts work.

Ever read Sun Zu's Art of War? You only can beat adversaries''s weaknesses if you know about them fully. Do you know that Walltstreet stock brokers read it, that it actually is almost a mandatory reading among financial sharks that are destroying the planet for the sake of profits?

You are not honest when saying that I am a masonic front because you are an atheist and atheism will reject anything that is tainted with esoterism/spirituality.

since 911 I have exposed elites as best as I can, online. and my articles get between 9,000 and 25,000 hits, depending on whether the headline is catchy enough ... again, until 911 I was an agnostic-atheist and by investigating the NWO, I realized how wrong I was... maybe it is a road that you do not want to take just yet, but that is your story...

\uu\

I'm not that interested, they are as full of shit as I believe you to be, for all I know you and your theories are a masonic front.

Geometry is exactly what it is, geometry. It isn't sacred, you and your masnoic brethren may try to infuse it with a spiritual element, but its just a word for the mathematics involved with shape, size, relative positions and the properties of space.

Everything to you has to be 'spiritual' in nature, I get that part.

The problem is, when you try to relate EVERYTHING back to some mystic/esoteric element you put unecessary weight on it, weight that it just doesn't deserve. You laden it down with nonsensical gobeldy gook and for the most part miss the whole fucking point, it passes you right by and the kernel of truth contained within drowns in its own mystic waters from over analysis and intelectual masturbation.

chad

30th April 2014, 05:14 PM

52 pages. i bet 86.

Buddha

30th April 2014, 05:22 PM

I have never ignored anyone here, this still is the best open forum on the net, even after Nero was made mod to make this place more civil.

Kudos Nero! Keep it up, you are doing a fine job making this place civil, not censored but civil..

Nero if you leave I probably will also, have fought the fight to keep this forum growing and accepting people of different viewpoints,

It is all good!

Or bad!

But now there are limits on attacks on members here, which is a very good thing.

Peace!

Charles

yeah, I can't ingore anyone here, no matter what. It's just not right to censor someone just because I don't like what they say.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I've never had one interaction with you and you show up slinging shit.

Another useless internet gang banger who has nothing original to add to the discusion other than take part in the latest attmept at internet gang banging, good for you lame arse.

Awoke has been around longer than the pyrimids, best watch yourself

Ok, but thats not the Egyptian pyramids.

Point taken, some people like to go to the range a shoot a few clips for fun, I like to get online and ruffle some feathers...;)

better to find another hobby, then to self admittedly get online just to piss people off, you do make good points but act like a shill. Why would one do this purposely?

singular_me

30th April 2014, 05:23 PM

well thank Aeondaze first... he is a major drive in this thread.

honestly I was not thinking of having a major hit on GSUS when posting the OP. :)

it is obvious that the level of resistance justifies the response to it... :) well I am not jumping into threads that I entirely disagree with. Some do.

52 pages. i bet 86.

Buddha

30th April 2014, 05:24 PM

52 pages. i bet 86.

I would make the over-under 89.5, and I'm taking over.

aeondaze

30th April 2014, 05:26 PM

It took you this long to reply? You must be running out of steam. Restating the same tired old assertions.

If 'popularity' is what floats your boat, then good for you. I personally don't like popularity contests, for the most part I don't care about obatining the admiration of others, they are just not worth it, but then again thats what comes when you have a healthy self esteem.

You can contine to delude yourself that you've tapped into a vast mystic knowledge or discovered the secret to life but the truth is all it brings you is hate.

Hate for atheists, hate for scientists, hate for modern archaeology or whatever calls you out on your bogus belief system, at the end of the day its just a whole lot of HATE.

{**}

aeondaze

30th April 2014, 05:32 PM

yeah, I can't ingore anyone here, no matter what. It's just not right to censor someone just because I don't like what they say.

good for you, I have a little more respect for that attitude, honestly

Awoke has been around longer than the pyrimids, best watch yourself

Its the internets for christsake, lol

better to find another hobby, then to self admittedly get online just to piss people off, you do make good points but act like a shill. Why would one do this purposely?

Its not a goal of mine, just an occupational hazzard you might say, so just calm down.

Buddha

30th April 2014, 05:46 PM

good for you, I have a little more respect for that attitude, honestly

Its the internets for christsake, lol

Its not a goal of mine, just an occupational hazzard you might say, so just calm down.

I should have added a smile behind the Awoke comment :)

Occupational hazzard... now that's somewhat enlightening.

aeondaze

30th April 2014, 05:48 PM

I should have added a smile behind the Awoke comment :)

Occupational hazzard... now that's somewhat enlightening.

Yeah, I almost second guesed myself there, thought it would definately be misinterpreted, but I thought, oh well who cares.

Horn

30th April 2014, 06:29 PM

52 pages. i bet 86.

Where's my friggin wine, chad?

singular_me

1st May 2014, 07:17 AM

Good morning Aeondaze, choosing to ignore "certain things" will never make anybody right. My take is that I want to know as much as I can but will dig deeper when I feel threatened.

My travel companion too was much of a staunch atheist than I when he met me 7 years ago. Together we decided to go down the rabbit hole and when seeing how deep all the evil in the world is entrenched, we both made a U-turn.

Yes, I am bent on maths, sacred maths... so what? ... google search a bit and you will see that sacred geometry was well known by many scientists and mathematicians throughout the ages. What should make you ponder is WHY is it not just taught in colleges instead of accusing me of being full of hatred and a masonic front.... Because that is the elite's secret/occult language. Occult meaning hidden. And the Bible is filled with it and our world greatest world monuments...

WHY?? Back to ancient egypt and ultimately Sumeria.

Cosmic maths at work... please try to explain how Bonacci (c. 1170 – c. 1250) came up with his "sequence" when the telescope had not been invented yet... and it is just impossible to find out without studying sacred geometry, a science that was born with Mankind, hence called sacred... something cavemen could n-o-t have invented.

yes it truly is surreal that the Destiny of Man and Maths are so intertwined... hence the freemasonic pyramid which tells us that they know and it is because the info is not accessible to the general public that humanity is being raped from right and left.

http://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/images/fibonacci-spiral.gif

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120428180540/spore/images/7/7d/Spiral-galaxy-wallpaper.jpg

The belief that God created the universe according to a geometric plan has ancient origins. Plutarch attributed the belief to Plato, writing "Plato said God geometrizes continually"

Albert Einstein. 4. "The study of geometry, which descends to us from Pythagoras, is a meditation on the harmony of the cosmic order

At least as late as Johannes Kepler (1571–1630), a belief in the geometric underpinnings of the cosmos persisted among scientists.

There are five Platonic Solids: Cube, Icosadedron, Tetrahedron, Octahedron and Dodecahedron.

Sir Isaac Newton (1642–1727), the noted English scientist and mathematician, wrote many works that would now be classified as occult studies.

Leonardo da Vinci has studied the Flower of Life's form and its mathematical properties

Mona Lisa's Secrets — Da Vinci's Mastery of Sacred Geometry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgq9SsqdyQA

I am sorry Aeondaze, that you obviously dismiss the whole topic because YOU are the one running out of steam.

And the list of scientists, physicists knowing about the topic is really long... search for yourself... time for some home work now.

Sacred Geometry just as Vedic Maths (sacred geometry applied for calculus) have the properties, when mastered, to align emotions/psyche/develop both sides of the brain evenly ... ALL of which of course improve spiritual quests... and the last thing the NWO wants is us to achieve that. :)

How by the way did you know that music theory was found by Pythagoras and is sacred geometry applied :)

MAJOR EDIT:
(Wikipedia describing the work as a legend, but then acknowledging. There are many alternative resources -non mainstream- that go deeper than wiki)

This legend has since proven to be false by virtue of the fact that these ratios are only relevant to string length (such as the string of a monochord), and not to hammer weight.[49][50] However, it may be that Pythagoras was indeed responsible for discovering the properties of string length.

Pythagoreans elaborated on a theory of numbers, the exact meaning of which is still debated among scholars. Another belief attributed to Pythagoras was that of the "harmony of the spheres". Thus the planets and stars moved according to mathematical equations, which corresponded to musical notes and thus produced a symphony.[51]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras#Musical_theories_and_investigations

Pythagorean tuning
Hence, it is a system of musical tuning in which the frequency ratios of all intervals are based on the ratio 3:2, "found in the harmonic series."[2] This ratio, also known as the "pure" perfect fifth, is chosen because it is one of the most consonant and easy to tune by ear.

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The system had been mainly attributed to Pythagoras (sixth century BC) by modern authors of music theory, while Ptolemy, and later Boethius, ascribed the division of the tetrachord by only two intervals, called "semitonium", "tonus", "tonus" in Latin (256:243 x 9:8 x 9:8), to Eratosthenes. The so-called "Pythagorean tuning" was used by musicians up to the beginning of the 16th century.

The system had been mainly attributed to Pythagoras (sixth century BC) by modern authors of music theory, while Ptolemy, and later Boethius, ascribed the division of the tetrachord by only two intervals, called "semitonium", "tonus", "tonus" in Latin (256:243 x 9:8 x 9:8), to Eratosthenes. The so-called "Pythagorean tuning" was used by musicians up to the beginning of the 16th century.

Pythagoreans elaborated on a theory of numbers, the exact meaning of which is still debated among scholars. Another belief attributed to Pythagoras was that of the "harmony of the spheres". Thus the planets and stars moved according to mathematical equations, which corresponded to musical notes and thus produced a symphony.[51]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning

Centuries later, Pythagoras proven right...
planets and stars and even black holes emit sounds, each have their own symphony... go to my thread: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?76451-The-sound-of-the-sun-high-quality

for those who want to dig deeper

Anecdote has it that over the entrance to Plato’s Academy was inscribed the phrase “Let none enter here who are ignorant of geometry.”

“Sacred Geometry charts the unfolding of number in space. It differs from mundane geometry purely in the sense that the moves and concepts involved are regarded as having symbolic value, and thus, like good music, facilitate the evolution of the soul.”
www.http://sacredgeometryinternational.com

Although such a High Knowledge could save Mankind, if remaining in the hands of elites, is occult, will forever translate into evil

thanks for reading

You can contine to delude yourself that you've tapped into a vast mystic knowledge or discovered the secret to life but the truth is all it brings you is hate.

Hate for atheists, hate for scientists, hate for modern archaeology or whatever calls you out on your bogus belief system, at the end of the day its just a whole lot of HATE.

{**}

singular_me

2nd May 2014, 08:56 AM

since this thread is in support of very ancient and advanced civilizations, and the cataclysm theory (and outer space hypothesis), here is a new article to chew on

Some like Aeondaze were wondering as why ancient civilizations didnt use metals, they may have their hard fact here but which will leave them puzzled more than ever before - and with more daunting questions to resolve.

since the reality we live in is a total fiction, my guess is that time has come for another shock...

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highly advanced civilization or from outer space?

19 January 2013, 20:55

The Voice of Russia and other Russian sources are reporting that a 300 million year old piece of aluminum machinery has been found in Vladivostok. Experts say a gear rail appears to be manufactured, and not the result of natural forces.
The metal detail which was recently found by Vladivostok resident is yet another discovery which perplexed the scientists. The coal in which the metal object was pressed was delivered to Primorye from Chernogorodskiy mines of Khakasia region. Knowing that the coal deposits of this region date 300 million years back, Russian experts inferred that the metal detail found in these deposits must be an age-mate of the coal.

When geologists broke the piece of coal in which the metal object was pressed into and spot-treated in with special chemical agents, it turned out that the metal detail was unusually light and soft. No more than seven centimeters long, the object was found to be composed of 98 percent aluminum and 2 percent magnesium. On the one hand, such an alloy stalled the scientists because nearly pure aluminum is very rarely found in nature. Thus, the detail was most definitely created artificially. On the other hand, however, when it became clear that the object was made from aluminum-magnesium alloy the experts quickly found an answer to the question of how a metal detail could withstand the ravages of time so well. The scientists explained that pure aluminum is increasingly prone to oxidization which contributes to the creation of a special layer protecting it from further corrosion. As a result, the metal detail made 98 percent from aluminum can endure not only high pressure but also heat and other severe natural conditions.

Another question that interests Russian scientists is whether the aluminum alloy is of Earthly origin. It is known from the study of meteorites that there exists extra-terrestrial aluminum-26 which subsequently breaks down to magnesium-26. The presence of 2 percent of magnesium in the alloy might well point to the alien origin of the aluminum detail. Nonetheless, further testing is needed to confirm this hypothesis.

pictures/Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_01_19/300-million-year-old-UFO-tooth-wheel-found-in-Russian-city-of-Vladivostok/

The Voice of Russia also said, "When geologists broke the piece of coal in which the metal object was pressed into and spot-treated it with special chemical agents, it turned out the the metal detail was unusually light and soft. ... [It] was found to be composed of 98 percent aluminum and 2 percent magnesium," which led to the implication that the metallic object was created artificially.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/23/300-million-year-old-tooth-gear_n_2527424.html

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It has been several months since this news was known and there are still many different opinions. Some say it's all a fraud, others speak of ancient terrestrial civilizations and others about alien extra-terrestrial visits. The truth is there are several mysteries that defy scientific knowledge around artifacts that are too old to have been made by a human being. For example, one question that interests Russian scientists is whether the aluminum alloy is of Earthly origin. The presence of 2 percent of magnesium in the alloy might well be evidence of some past, unknown civilization on Earth. Nonetheless, further testing is needed to confirm this hypothesis, say experts. Nowadays, finding a strange artifact in coal dated hundreds million years before the current era (B.C.E) is not very rare to happen. In 1851 the workers in one of the Massachusetts mines extracted a zinc silver-incrusted vase from a block of unmined coal which dated approximately 500 million years ago. In 1912 American scientists from Oklahoma discovered an iron pot which was pressed into a piece of coal aged 312 million years old. The alloys were artificial and constructed by intelligent beings, said the experts. All of these discoveries not only puzzled the experts but also undermined the most fundamental doctrines of modern science. The so-called Western science has its roots in disapproving tendencies and all facts that can challenge their "state of things already known" are seen as something very amazing or totally denied as they challenge their scientific and cultural bases. For example, during the British rule in India, the heirs of the wise Vedic civilization developed a kind of inferiority complex, which adversely affected his own quest to discover the facts about the glorious past of India. (Editor's note).

WHAT DO THE VEDIC TEACHINGS TELL US?

Many of us tend to believe that the views about history that we find in modern text-books are proven truths on par with the laws of physics. ... Our culture’s dominant view of history - which is still largely rooted in colonial preconceptions - is not a scientific truth but largely a Eurocentric bias that often has little hard evidence to support it. We ignore the eastern achievements in science, like the mathematics, physics, astronomy, biology and medicine in the Vedas. We have created a view of history that makes larger and older civilizations like India and China into little more than footnotes to events in Europe or the Middle East. Our historical time lines have not expanded much beyond the time frame or location of Biblical chronologies. Though our current species is now scientifically speaking more than 150,000 years old, our social sciences are still largely working on a 5,000 year historical time line, with a bias towards Europe and the Middle East that ignores the greater portion of humanity, its achievements and its historical records.

http://vedicviews-worldnews.blogspot.com/2014_02_01_archive.html

Neuro

2nd May 2014, 02:13 PM

The aliens used cog wheels and toth rails? :)

Santa

2nd May 2014, 02:26 PM

The aliens used cog wheels and toth rails? :)

Either that, or a molten blob of an aluminum meteorite landed on the two front teeth of a sleeping herbivorous dinosaur. :)

Neuro

2nd May 2014, 02:36 PM

Either that, or a molten blob of an aluminum meteorite landed on the two front teeth of a sleeping herbivorous dinosaur. :)
It is prior to the dinosaur... The tooth fairy?

Horn

2nd May 2014, 02:51 PM

Sometimes aluminum carries only a sell by date, imagine how long ago the gears were actually produced!

singular_me

2nd May 2014, 04:24 PM

I dont know yet what I have make of that story... but russians made a doc 30y or so ago -still available on youtube - about the escape of hitler and all the evidence he didnt die in his bunker, it was blasted as propaganda back then... and today it is very very likely, almost 100% sure, that he escaped. 30 years ago, anyone speaking of this was clearly ready for the asylum. :)

in the lesser case, I'd tend to believe that the NWO wants such information to surface because truth cannot be contained for ever, BUT by controlling the release of information, they still remain wayyy ahead of the curve. Oohh, now we made a breakthrough... ohh now, we have a new finding questioning the previous theory... LOL

singular_me

2nd May 2014, 04:31 PM

singular_me

2nd May 2014, 04:44 PM

I dont know yet what I have make of that story... but russians made a doc 30y or so ago -still available on youtube - about the escape of hitler and all the evidence he didnt die in his bunker, it was blasted as propaganda back then... and today it is very very likely, almost 100% sure, that he escaped. 30 years ago, anyone speaking of this was clearly ready for the asylum. :)

in the lesser case, I'd tend to believe that the NWO wants such information to surface because truth cannot be contained for ever, BUT by controlling the release of information, they still remain wayyy ahead of the curve. Oohh, now we made a breakthrough... ohh now, we found whatever clue(s)... LOL

Santa, forget about last sentence... this is diversion... they do the same on the discovery channel, always insert a dumb factor(s) to make people doubt and dismiss it as a whole.

Neuro

2nd May 2014, 10:48 PM

that kind of discovery will always sound odd... but since we can only analyze with our own contemporary perceptions/imagination, we are most likely setting ourselves up for a "fail"... truth is stranger than fiction :)

although my brain still struggles with the 300-million-year-old figure, if TRULY predating the dinosaurs, could be extraterrestrial.
It's shoddy finish would suggest a contemporary Chinese origin. A part of a grill perhaps? Does trilobites taste like lobster? If so I could imagine Devonian earth becoming THE hangout for the gastronomists of the galaxy and beyond.

singular_me

3rd May 2014, 06:26 AM

aeondaze

3rd May 2014, 07:38 AM

Neuro, that you are a orthodox scientist (believing mainstream academia) and moderator of a conspiracy forum is a truly puzzling combination. I know 3 retired scientists from Los Alamos up here, smart in the mainstream academic way, 1 even knows about the NWO, but when speaking of a topic like Sacred Geometry, they are completely lost as they have been so much left brain trained.

This is not a conspiracy forum. How many times do we have to go over this?

Does the forum entertain theories about the supra-political conspiring that indeed we all highly suspect goes on in our governments and money centres (central banks), sure. Does it mean we all have to believe that aliens or more advanced civilisations than ours existed in the distand past?

HELL NO! Get off your fucking high horse.

Don't be so fucking patronising to these so called 'mainstream' scientists. They understand the maths involved with your so called 'sacred geometry' more than you could ever know. It just goes to show how out of touch with reality you are when you mistake them humouring you, because they're in all porbability nice people who'd rather not offend you, for ignorance.

GET A FUCKING GRIP! You're so conceited that you can't even gauge what they're really thinking!

This mysterious city off the coast of India, rumored to be over 30,000 years old, may hold the keys to discovering whether these legendary tales were myth or factual accounts.

Join Inc.500 entrepreneur, Amish Shah, as he investigates the secrets of the ancient submerged city of Dwarka. Follow his journey, inspired by the Mahabharata and other Vedic texts, as he explores the validity of their detailed accounts of ancient technology, powerful beings, and epic wars.

my upside in this thread is that I made so much research that I have come across valuable info - and tnx to Horn's finding too - that I now even feel more confident than ever before...

There is no REAL controversy over this site. Why? Because marine archaeological sites are prone to contamination from ocean currents. Like in this instance.

Carbon Dates

One of the main controversies surrounding the GKCC is the dated piece of wood. Dr. D.P. Agrawal, chairman of the Paleoclimate Group and founder of Carbon-14 testing facilities in India stated in an article in Frontline Magazine that the piece was dated twice, at separate laboratories.[2] The NGRI in Hyderabad returned a date of 7190 BC and the BSIP in Hannover returned a date of 7545-7490 BC.[4] Some archeologists, Agrawal in particular, contest that the discovery of an ancient piece of wood does not imply the discovery of an ancient civilization. Agrawal argues that the wood piece is a common find, given that 20,000 years ago the Arabian Sea was 100 meters lower than its current level, and that the gradual sea level rise submerged entire forests.[2][5]
Artefacts

Another controversial issue are the artefacts retrieved from the site during the various excavations. It is disputed that many of the items that have been identified as artefacts by the NIOT investigators are actually man-made. Instead their artificial nature is contested and they are argued to be stones of natural origin.[5]

Researchers report finding sherds of pottery as indicative of hand-made and wheel-turned pottery traditions. The reported sherds have simple rims with small incised lines. All of the pottery fragments found so far are small or miniature sherds.[4] Part of the controversy is that some of the "sherds" are natural geofacts and others lack any proof of any connections, as with the dated pieces of wood, with the purported "ruins" found by NIOT researchers. In addition, their small size also raises the possibility that the real sherds have been transported from elsewhere by local, strong tidal currents. But if the pottery is genuine, researchers say it should show some similarities to Harappan pottery, which is typically red and black and stamped with seals. Based on the current pottery collection, a stylistic continuity of Harappan civilization isn't evident. The small size of the artefact collection makes it difficult to analyse the pottery conclusively.[2][5]

See your assertions are BOGUS and you will not even entertain the truth, why? Because you are paranoid that modern archeology is a lie, with no proof whatsoever.

Anyhow, you said it yourself "rumoredto be over 30,000 years old, may hold the keys to discovering whether these legendary tales were myth or factual accounts"

'Rumoured and may' mean a lot, 'rumoured' means there is no concrete proof and 'may' means not as yet.

There you go.

To finish it off you state that you're more convinced than ever...even when its all 'romours and maybes'

Gullible doesn't even begin to describe you, wilfully ignorant is the only description for you that fits.

Neuro

3rd May 2014, 09:24 AM

Horn

3rd May 2014, 12:24 PM

A machineless later Egypt is conclusive towards a machineless earlier Egypt. Machined stone is evidence of a more aadvanced civilization, preceeding dynastic Egypt, per scientific method.

singular_me

3rd May 2014, 09:52 PM

Frontiline/PBS is a controlled opposition, I am afraid.

modern archeology is a lie, just as Usury Inc throughout the ages. Hard to refute. 4000 years of monetary manipulation, follow the TRIANGLE... money is TOO in the hands of those controlling the past. How cant you see this is mind boggling, really.

GSUS, not a conspiracy forum ???

enough said.

This is not a conspiracy forum. How many times do we have to go over this?

Does the forum entertain theories about the supra-political conspiring that indeed we all highly suspect goes on in our governments and money centres (central banks), sure. Does it mean we all have to believe that aliens or more advanced civilisations than ours existed in the distand past?

HELL NO! Get off your fucking high horse.

Don't be so fucking patronising to these so called 'mainstream' scientists. They understand the maths involved with your so called 'sacred geometry' more than you could ever know. It just goes to show how out of touch with reality you are when you mistake them humouring you, because they're in all porbability nice people who'd rather not offend you, for ignorance.

GET A FUCKING GRIP! You're so conceited that you can't even gauge what they're really thinking!

There is no REAL controversy over this site. Why? Because marine archaeological sites are prone to contamination from ocean currents. Like in this instance.

See your assertions are BOGUS and you will not even entertain the truth, why? Because you are paranoid that modern archeology is a lie, with no proof whatsoever.

Anyhow, you said it yourself "rumoredto be over 30,000 years old, may hold the keys to discovering whether these legendary tales were myth or factual accounts"

'Rumoured and may' mean a lot, 'rumoured' means there is no concrete proof and 'may' means not as yet.

There you go.

To finish it off you state that you're more convinced than ever...even when its all 'romours and maybes'

Gullible doesn't even begin to describe you, wilfully ignorant is the only description for you that fits.

singular_me

3rd May 2014, 10:00 PM

surprised but happy to hear this... and I am studying acupressure, which is based on the concept of life energy which flows through "meridians" in the body.

do you agree that earth has meridians and ultimately, so does the entire cosmos ... and that Man is a replica/miniature of it ?

Sciences as a whole can never be "truly rational" as there will always be the "unknown factor" in the equation that propels us forward. And this factor lies in imagination, dreaming about what has never been tried before. Imagination taps in the pool of Universal Consciousness... and absolutely no one can explain that (it is a paranormal state, yes), what makes it possible for dreams to come true. To defeat the NWO, we must really dream it and project ourselves into the dream, otherwise "they" will continue to manipulate the nightmare we are in.

In the middle ages, chiropractors and acupressurists alike would have been burned to the stake :) Nothing has changed.... so now NWO-pay off is coming..

my filmsy methods? How can you explain that vedic medicine, Ayurveda, is definitely making a come back, while having been ostracized (and even criminalized) by Alopathy for decades. Ayurveda deals with the 5 elements... fire, water, air, earth and the Aether... how did the Veda got this 3500 years ago? From cavemen ?? :)

The Aether cannot be proven with hard facts. Can it?

I am not changing the topic but merely want to tell you that there are plenty of fields where mainstream sciences got it wrong or wont acknowledge because there is an agenda to keep masses in the dark on purpose.

The mainstream archeology cartel is a monolith... salvation is in supporting alternative endeavors, I am afraid.

I am a Chiropractor, with a master of science degree within that subject. Chiropractic is hardly something that could be considered mainstream in the realm of medicine, though many if not most pains and discomforts people suffer is biomechanical in origin, or has an important biomechanic component. There is no such thing as 'mainstream' science. Science is the way to rationally explore and analyze a question or a problem logically. If you don't do that it isn't science. Political medicine is the opposite of that, trying to suppress valid and rational methods of solving problems on the basis it isn't allopathy. You have presented no evidence whatsoever that the pyramids were built by extraterrestrials or previously advanced civilizations, but you have presented plenty of suggestions that the Egyptians couldn't have built the pyramids on very flimsy grounds which have been answered, you don't like the scientific method I can see that...

aeondaze

4th May 2014, 01:46 AM

Frontiline/PBS is a controlled opposition, I am afraid.

What has that got to do with anything I posted? Seriously, nothing I quoted has ANYTHING to with frontline or PBS...???

modern archeology is a lie, just as Usury Inc throughout the ages. Hard to refute. 4000 years of monetary manipulation, follow the TRIANGLE... money is TOO in the hands of those controlling the past. How cant you see this is mind boggling, really.

No this is EASY to refute, thats why there are 54 pages in this thread! As Neuro has told you, on the one hand there is the scientific method and then on the other there is nothing. You assertion that 'archaeology is a lie' is itslef a baseless LIE. You've provided ZERO proof that it is a manipulation of ANY kind. Wheras there is a multitide of evidence thats been provided to the contrary. Mind boggling is the degree of your bloody mindedness and psychological need to clutch at straws.

GSUS, not a conspiracy forum ??? enough said.

What gives you that idea? Come on tell us why you think this is a conspiracy forum. Just because some people entertain your deluded point of view doesn't make it so. If that were the case then this could equally be considered a Christian forum, there are more christians here than there are believers in aliens or atlantis. But it isn't a christian forum is it? So what makes you think its a conspiracy forum.

I think you're lost. I recomend you start posting here:

http://lunaticoutpost.com/

http://www.therealconspiracyforum.com/

http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/

o)(~

Neuro

4th May 2014, 03:12 AM

surprised but happy to hear this... and I am studying acupressure, which is based on the concept of life energy which flows through "meridians" in the body.

do you agree that earth has meridians and ultimately, so does the entire cosmos ... and that Man is a replica/miniature of it ?

Sciences as a whole can never be "truly rational" as there will always be the "unknown factor" in the equation that propels us forward. And this factor lies in imagination, dreaming about what has never been tried before. Imagination taps in the pool of Universal Consciousness... and absolutely no one can explain that (it is a paranormal state, yes), what makes it possible for dreams to come true. To defeat the NWO, we must really dream it and project ourselves into the dream, otherwise "they" will continue to manipulate the nightmare we are in.

In the middle ages, chiropractors and acupressurists alike would have been burned to the stake :) Nothing has changed.... so now NWO-pay off is coming..

my filmsy methods? How can you explain that vedic medicine, Ayurveda, is definitely making a come back, while having been ostracized (and even criminalized) by Alopathy for decades. Ayurveda deals with the 5 elements... fire, water, air, earth and the Aether... how did the Veda got this 3500 years ago? From cavemen ?? :)

The Aether cannot be proven with hard facts. Can it?

I am not changing the topic but merely want to tell you that there are plenty of fields where mainstream sciences got it wrong or wont acknowledge because there is an agenda to keep masses in the dark on purpose.

The mainstream archeology cartel is a monolith... salvation is in supporting alternative endeavors, I am afraid.
Meridians, well first of all chiropractic isn't based on Meridians, it is based on western knowledge of anatomy, and it has been since its conception in 1895. Acupressure, which I think has validity as a treatment, just as Acupuncture and Iridiology could be better explained through modern western knowledge of neuro anatomy... You have to realise that the old Chinese understanding of meridians is an explanation model from a time when they didn't have proper understanding of the regulation of the nervous system and its organization. Just like the Vedic understanding of elements is from a time when there was practically no understanding of chemistry and physics. The only reason you can post your gibberish on this forum of barbaric relics, which can be read all across the world is because of Western science, which you consistently rejects. Try and construct a computer with the knowledge of Earth wind fire and water... LOL

Horn

4th May 2014, 10:01 AM

In most cases where science fails is in its application to whole environs, or taking contained laboratory results and applying them in multiple fashion to an entire system. Not say that it is a complete failure, but partial. Ignoring such remaining decimal place remainders, or gargantuan pyramids of cut stone infront of its face.

Nonscalular.

singular_me

5th May 2014, 07:08 AM

right and it only is that very exception that re-questions the whole approach... as long as sciences keep doing that, breakthroughs will continue to be seen as miraculous until the next one... ooops sorry folks, we were wrong but this time, we trust us, we really nailed it. :)

I am curious about what Aeondaze and Neuro will say about my new rhesus monkey thread.

In most cases where science fails is in its application to whole environs, or taking contained laboratory results and applying them in multiple fashion to an entire system. Not say that it is a complete failure, but partial. Ignoring such remaining decimal place remainders, or gargantuan pyramids of cut stone infront of its face.

Nonscalular.

aeondaze

5th May 2014, 07:42 AM

I am curious about what Aeondaze and Neuro will say about my new rhesus monkey thread.

Who was it that complained to Neuro about mixing up threads again?

Do not cross polinate this thread with that one, they are separate issues...

Neuro

5th May 2014, 07:56 AM

right and it only is that very exception that re-questions the whole approach... as long as sciences keep doing that, breakthroughs will continue to be seen as miraculous until the next one... ooops sorry folks, we were wrong but this time, we trust us, we really nailed it. :)

The other approach would be to stick with what is traditionally accepted, despite new data contradicting the original premise. That is called dogma, the opposite of science, something you have showed a knack for in this thread. Yes, you can be dogmatic outside the mainstream too...

Horn

5th May 2014, 10:42 PM

Glass

6th May 2014, 08:33 PM

This question has now been solved. How did they build the pyremids? It was too easy. They used water to wet the sand before dragging the blocks across the sand to the construction site.

The surprisingly simple way ancient Egyptians moved stones to build the pyramids

Few have travelled to the pyramids of Egypt and not wondered how an ancient civilisation without modern technology could have constructed structures so large they can be viewed from space. Some have theorised they were built inside out. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2526467/Were-pyramids-built-INSIDE-OUT-New-theory-suggests-ancient-Egyptians-built-monuments-like-modern-builder-constructs-stone-wall.html)

On the flakier side, some say (http://www.outerworlds.com/likeness/aliens/aliens.html) aliens did it.

Perhaps the most confounding mystery of all involves how incredibly large stones made their way to the middle of the desert without massive mechanical assistance. No camel, even the Egyptian kind, is that strong.
The truth, researchers at the University of Amsterdam announced this week in a study published (https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.112.175502) in the journal Physical Review Letters, may actually be quite simple. It has long been believed that Egyptians used wooden sleds (http://www.catchpenny.org/howbuilt.html) to haul the stone, but until now it hasn't been entirely understood how they overcame the problem of friction. It amounts to nothing more, scientists say, than a "clever trick".
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They most likely wet the sand. (https://www.uva.nl/en/news-events/news/uva-news/item/prl-egyptian-pyramids.html)

"For the construction of the pyramids, the ancient Egyptians had to transport heavy blocks of stone and large statues across the desert," the university said (https://www.uva.nl/en/news-events/news/uva-news/item/prl-egyptian-pyramids.html). "The Egyptians therefore placed the heavy objects on a sledge that workers pulled over the sand. Research ... revealed that the Egyptians probably made the desert sand in front of the sledge wet."
It has to do with physics. The sort of sledges the Egyptians used to transport the two-tonne loads of stone were pretty rudimentary (http://gizmodo.com/scientists-discovered-the-egyptian-secret-to-moving-hug-1569802879). They were wooden planks with upturned edges. Dragging something that heavy through hot sand would – unsurprisingly – dig into the grains, creating a sand berm that would make progress nearly impossible. It "was perhaps observed by the Egyptians that in [a] dry case, a heap of sand forms in front of the sled before it can really start to move," says the study, authored by a team of eight researchers led by Daniel Bonn.

The only way around that problem would be to constantly clear the sand out of the way, making a tedious process even more tedious.
Damp sand, however, operates very differently. According to the research (https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.112.175502), "sliding friction on sand is greatly reduced by the addition of some – but not that much – water". So this time, researchers placed a laboratory version of an Egyptian sledge in a bin of sand that had been dried in the oven. Then they threw down some water, and measured the grains' stiffness. If the water had the appropriate level of wetness, something called "capillary bridges" – extremely small droplets of water that glue together individual grains of sand – would form.

These bridges not only stopped the sled from forming sand berms but also cut by half the amount of force required to move the cart. "I was very surprised by the amount the pulling force could be reduced – by as much as 50 per cent – meaning that the Egyptians needed only half the men to pull over wet sand as compared to dry," Bonn said.

Indeed, he says the experiments showed the required force decreased in proportion to the sand's stiffness. "In the presence of the correct quantity of water, wet desert sand is about twice as stiff as dry sand," the university says (https://www.uva.nl/en/news-events/news/uva-news/item/prl-egyptian-pyramids.html). "A sledge glides far more easily over firm desert sand simply because the sand does not pile up in front of the sledge as it does in the case of dry sand."

more on the story here (http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/the-surprisingly-simple-way-ancient-egyptians-moved-stones-to-build-the-pyramids-20140507-zr5ws.html)

Don't you all feel silly? I guess my question now is, was that region of Egypt a desert back some thousands of years ago?

singular_me

6th May 2014, 10:07 PM

They most likely wet the sand.

enough said.... ??? sorry I cant really believe this new twist...

it doesnt talk of the maths involved to construct a pyramid that size...

Glass

6th May 2014, 11:08 PM

I also think they used wet sand to grind the granite or what ever rock it is. That's what nature does.

singular_me

7th May 2014, 05:56 AM

one thing I have never seen mentioned so far is that the pyramid must be filled with mortar from the inside out otherwise its external walls would just cave in due to the weight... they never found any built in scaffolding structure. To hold such a structure, we need a skeleton so to speak. From the outside, the logic would be to have ramps to go higher with each row but this theory has been debunked several times. Ramps would have required as much work as building the pyramids themselves and there is no archeological evidence about them.

due to the precision of the maths involved, the inside frame/skeleton of a pyramid should be a perfect cubic structure, thats the way I see it. That would represent gazillions tons of additional mortar.

aeondaze

7th May 2014, 06:08 AM

one thing I have never seen mentioned so far is that the pyramid must be filled with mortar from the inside out otherwise its external walls would just cave in due to the weight... they never found any scaffolding structure built in. To hold such a structure, we need a skeleton so to speak.

We all know now not to take you on your so called word, so at least provide some link to another of your absurd theories.

Its funny how you can't let it go, Glass provides a great new piece of information that confirms that Egyptians built the pyramids showing that water added to the sand at about 3 to 5% reduces friciton by as much as 50%!

Thats huge and another addition to ocams razor proving that its always the simplest solutions which often are the correct ones.

singular_me

7th May 2014, 06:18 AM

there is no link to provide here, just common sense... the pyramid is also filled from the inside, how to explain the corridors then?... look at the drawings... :)

Keep an eye on the maths involved first, then come up with the means used to build them. This article is more about resolving the friction issues, which could be correct (yet the theory needs a real life experiment) ...

one just cannot shape a perfect pyramid WITHOUT building a perfect cube first... and I have never seen talked about this in any mainstream theories out there. And how long would it take to build such a perfect cube that high?

http://mathmomblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/triangle-square.JPG

We all know now not to take you on your so called word, so at least provide some link to another of your absurd theories.

Its funny how you can't let it go, Glass provides a great new piece of information that confirms that Egyptians built the pyramids showing that water added to the sand at about 3 to 5% reduces friciton by as much as 50%!

Thats huge and another addition to ocams razor proving that its always the simplest solutions which often are the correct ones.

aeondaze

7th May 2014, 06:36 AM

aeondaze

7th May 2014, 06:41 AM

one cannot just shape a perfect pyramid WITHOUT building a perfect square first

There is no such thing as perfect, besides your statement is meanigless in the context of your OP.

singular_me

7th May 2014, 07:04 AM

pyramids are perfect structures, otherwise they would have collapsed a very long time ago...

again, to find the way as HOW they were built, the maths must be resolved first. Doing otherwise is placing the horse before the cart...

you criticize my mathematical view, but then agree that perfection is impossible... shows a lot of rigor of thought here. :)

Phi (the Golden Ratio), Pi and the Great Pyramid of Egypt
http://www.goldennumber.net/phi-pi-great-pyramid-egypt/

back to sacred geometry which you keep dismissing because you are refuting the link between the cosmos as an geometric entity and maths... which is obvious in the Orion-pyramids alignment.

Let no one ignorant of geometry enter". was engraved at the door of Plato's Academy.

Pi and the Great Pyramid - Department of Mathematics ...
https://www.math.washington.edu/~greenber/PiPyr.html

if Pi and Phi are not in perfect harmony, the pyramid cannot exist

There is no such thing as perfect, besides your statement is meanigless in the context of your OP.

Neuro

7th May 2014, 07:04 AM

there is no link to provide here, just common sense... the pyramid is also filled from the inside, how to explain the corridors then?... look at the drawings... :)

Keep an eye on the maths involved first, then come up with the means used to build them. This article is more about resolving the friction issues, which could be correct (yet the theory needs a real life experiment) ...

one just cannot shape a perfect pyramid WITHOUT building a perfect cube first... and I have never seen talked about this in any mainstream theories out there. And how long would it take to build such a perfect cube that high?

http://mathmomblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/triangle-square.JPG
Here is an experiment for you. Build a pyramid out of sugar cubes, try and do it as simple as possible. Do you still believe the best way is to build a gigantic cube first?

singular_me

7th May 2014, 07:14 AM

it doesnt matter if the cube is fragmented into smaller cubes, the end result must be perfection, and the challenges/difficulty remain, I am afraid. One still has to ALIGN the smaller cubes.

there is a big difference working with compact sugar than several tons rocks and mortar... yes the size does matter even more in this case.

Here is an experiment for you. Build a pyramid out of sugar cubes, try and do it as simple as possible. Do you still believe the best way is to build a gigantic cube first?

aeondaze

7th May 2014, 07:18 AM

pyramids are perfect structures, otherwise they would have collapsed a very long time ago...

again, to find the way as HOW they were built, the maths must be resolved first. Doing otherwise is placing the horse before the cart...

you criticize my mathematical view, but then agree that perfection is impossible... shows a lot of rigor of thought here. :)

The old bent pyramid is not an acurately built pyramid, but it hasn't collapsed has it?

You admit that you do not follow the scientific method, then want to talk about mathematics which is at the CORE of the scientific method, you're contradicting yourslef again. You also admit not being qualified in any way with mathematics so why should anyone take you seriously?

'Perfect' was the word you used, don't try and claim you don't believe in it, that was what you wrote!

Phi (the Golden Ratio), Pi and the Great Pyramid of Egypt

back to sacred geometry which you keep dismissing

Let no one ignorant of geometry enter". was engraved at the door of Plato's Academy.

Pi and the Great Pyramid - Department of Mathematics ...

if Pi and Phi are not in perfect harmony, the pyramid cannot exist

Blah, blah blah, more nonsensical talk which attmepts to sound important.

Sacred geometry is a nonsensical emotively laden description you constantly try to instil, for something which has a basis in the complete opposite, logic and math.

Horn

7th May 2014, 07:22 AM

Research ... revealed that the Egyptians probably made the desert sand in front of the sledge wet."

Were any tax dollars used?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1bnobwu4yA

singular_me

7th May 2014, 07:32 AM

well by saying that perfection doesnt exist, you surely refute the values of Pi and Phi and so will never question why pyramids are sooo perfect :) if you ever did, you would have to submit to the concept that Maths explains everything, hence that God is Mathematics/Geometry :) This is because I realized that that I made a U-turn and no longer am an agnostic/atheist.

Let no one ignorant of geometry enter". was engraved at the door of Plato's Academy.

You are so focused on your own reality that when I even offer you a link from mainstream academia, you wont look at it : Pi and the Great Pyramid - Department of Mathematics ...

Disprove that the pyramids arent perfectly built... go ahead, I am listening

Astronomical Alignment in Egyptian Pyramids
http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/gem-projects/hm/0102-1-pyramids/body.htm

The precise alignment to true north can only be achieved by astronomical algorithms but the existing Egyptians transcripts mentioned nothing about the exact way to obtain it. By comparing the rising and setting positions of the Sun in the east and the west and bisect the angle between them, we can find the true north. If we apply this procedure, the procedure must be carried out near the time of a solstice, when the Sun seems momentarily to stand motionless in its position in its seasonal transit higher or lower in the sky. However, difficulties with observing objects near the horizon due to the interference from the Earth's atmosphere and with having a perfectly horizontal view at the same level or height at both the east and west sides which make this method quite unreliable.
http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/gem-projects/hm/0102-1-pyramids/page1002.htm

Sacred geometry is a nonsensical emotively laden description you constantly try to instil, for something which has a basis in the complete opposite, logic and math.

aeondaze

7th May 2014, 07:44 AM

Disprove that the pyramids arent perfectly built... go ahead, I am listening

Hold on a second! YOU made the claim they were perfect, so you should prove that is so.

Perfect in a mathematical sense would entail proving every dimension follows the correct geometric principles down to an infinitely high degree of accuracy.

Go on, DO IT. You made the claim. I'm merely telling you that its an impossibility.

Are you really so lazy as to expect everyone to do your work for you? :o

By the way, your supposed 'road to Damascus' epiphany, has no currency in my opinion.

FWIW, I've had the EXACT opposite experience in my life, I was once a believer in something, then I woke up.

You are only at the first stage, keep going and you might get there, lol

Horn

7th May 2014, 04:01 PM

FWIW, I've had the EXACT opposite experience in my life, I was once a believer in something, then I woke up.

And now you're just another monkee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udX6y-FB3vU

singular_me

7th May 2014, 04:14 PM

understandable, because it is filled with mortar

The old bent pyramid is not an acurately built pyramid, but it hasn't collapsed has it? .

Horn

7th May 2014, 04:26 PM

Bent Pyramid still has the same high level of cut block accuracy as the Giza plateau.

very little mortar is needed due to this, if so any probably done in restoration.

6340

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/8810/stoneblocks02rg8.jpg

A mortarless joint is a clear sign of accuracy in perfection.

Then to swathe the back of the block to stack upon the rear ones in an even perfect face an artistry of perfection.

Why the japs stopped at a step style pyramid, they couldn't even get close enough with only it.

singular_me

7th May 2014, 04:40 PM

the 3 pyramids respect the phi ratio and pi harmony... it is obvious. No matter the angle one looks at.

dont make me go back to the beginning of the thread... you said that perfection doe not exist. I never claimed this regarding the pyramids. :)

so you do the job :)

Hold on a second! YOU made the claim they were perfect, so you should prove that is so.

Perfect in a mathematical sense would entail proving every dimension follows the correct geometric principles down to an infinitely high degree of accuracy.

Go on, DO IT. You made the claim. I'm merely telling you that its an impossibility.

Are you really so lazy as to expect everyone to do your work for you? :o

By the way, your supposed 'road to Damascus' epiphany, has no currency in my opinion.

FWIW, I've had the EXACT opposite experience in my life, I was once a believer in something, then I woke up.

You are only at the first stage, keep going and you might get there, lol

singular_me

7th May 2014, 04:44 PM

I meant that no pyramid is empty from the inside out, Horn... otherwise there wouldnt be any corridors.

Bent Pyramid still has the same high level of cut block accuracy as the Giza plateau.

very little mortar is needed due to this, if so any probably done in restoration.

6340

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/8810/stoneblocks02rg8.jpg

A mortarless joint is a clear sign of accuracy in perfection.

Then to swathe the back of the block to stack upon the rear ones in an even perfect face an art of accuracy and perfection.

Why the japs stopped at a step style pyramid, they couldn't even get close enough with only it.

Horn

7th May 2014, 04:50 PM

I meant that no pyramid is empty from the inside out, Horn... otherwise there wouldnt be any corridors.

Obviously, a hollow pyramid (or with chambers) is even that much more difficult to construct, especially in a non-stepstyle.

most likely not the only reason the harder granite was used, not only for a higher finish, but also structural integrity.

There is sand filling those void areas I'm told, and it all rests upon the block beneath it. Why the foundation is so critical to be true level.

Nobody would even attempt to reproduce them today even if given carte blanche.

singular_me

7th May 2014, 04:53 PM

aeondaze
FWIW, I've had the EXACT opposite experience in my life, I was once a believer in something, then I woke up.
I never was a fan of biblical allegories and still am because the average people dont get it, but now that I understand sacred geometry I see it everywhere, hence in any religious textbooks, whatever the culture... :) why do you think there is a pyramid on the 1 dollar bank note... it is right in our faces!

it is just impossible to ignore this very fact... geometry, biology, astronomy, architecture, music, gold/silver standard, emotions (which are frequencies, thus math)... it is all about math. God loves harmony and anything that is disharmonious brings about evil.

ps: i dont especially like the guy but here it is since you go by the mainstream: Dr. Michio Kaku: Math is the Mind of God http://bigthink.com/videos/dr-michio-kaku-math-is-the-mind-of-god

aeondaze

7th May 2014, 05:01 PM

I never was a fan of allegories, but now that I understand sacred geometry I see it everywhere, hence in any religious textbooks... :) why do you think there is a pyramid on the 1 dollar bank note... it is right in our faces!

There you go again, comparing apples to oranges while shouting 'Eureka, compare these two oranges'

Yet another reason to seriously consider you and the material you push as being a masonic front.

aeondaze

7th May 2014, 05:11 PM

it is just impossible to ignore this very fact... biology, astronomy, architecture, music, gold/silver standard... it is all about maths.

So what if there is a common geometric relationship to some aspects of these disciplines. There are common geometric relationships to lots of things, it just so happens its a property of nature, doesn't mean aliens or advanced civilisations built the pyramids, or that the masons have secret knowledge, lol

You and your golden ration again, its the only thing you know about. You go on and on about it like a kid with autism.

You keep pushing all this masonic nonsense and claim they have secret hidden knowledge and everyone will start believing you are a masonic plant on our forum...:rolleyes:

Horn

7th May 2014, 05:12 PM

Yet another reason to seriously consider you and the material you push as being a masonic front.

magnes numero dos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sup33422OIk&list=PLD5FAE61FFB8AD19D

aeondaze

7th May 2014, 05:20 PM

Dr. Michio Kaku: Math is the Mind of God http://bigthink.com/videos/dr-michio-kaku-math-is-the-mind-of-god

You are unable to take what anyone says figuratively. There are plently of mathematicians and scientists that believe in god/gods and will therefore see the mind of god/gods in the world around them, however that doesn't mean god/gods exists...

Your mind is desperate to clutch onto anything that vaugely validates your childish theories, you are at the first stage, keep going you will get there, lol:p

singular_me

7th May 2014, 05:58 PM

Math is the Universe/God's language... plz disprove that harmonics/physics/biology/architecture/astronomy do NOT need math to be understood :)

Horn

7th May 2014, 06:01 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmdA8Zz40b0

singular_me

7th May 2014, 06:18 PM

too bad I will have to wait to go to the library to download this (tomorrow)
-------------

Building upon Schoch's revolutionary theory that the Sphinx dates back much further than 2500 BCE, Forgotten Civilization reveals scientific evidence of advanced civilization predating ancient Egypt, Sumeria, and Greece, as well as the catastrophe that destroyed it nearly 12,000 years ago and what its legacy can teach us about our own future.

Topics discussed include: global warming and climate change, the ice age, evolution, astronomy, cosmoclimatology, solar and plasma outbursts, ancient Egypt, Easter Island, Göbekli Tepe, megalithic monuments, the Biblical flood, Atlantis and lost civilizations, apocalyptic myths and legends, Quantum physics, and 2012.

edit: the link on the youtube page (compelling)
Mark Corske – Engines of Domination
April 4, 2014
Mark Corske discusses his book Engines of Domination: Political Power and the Human Emergency. Is political power – armed central authority with states and war – really necessary for human society? Or is it a tool that ruling elites use to live at the expense of everyone else? Engines of Domination offers a theory of political power as a tool; an engine that converts human energy into power and privilege for the rulers. Invented in the Bronze Age and ruthlessly refined for six thousand years, today this engine threatens to destroy our world in a human emergency of converging political and economic crises, resource depletion, and environmental destruction. Applying his theory of political power to Western history, Corske makes a passionate argument that there is only one way to respond to this emergency: Armed central authority must be abolished, giving way to a world of peaceful voluntary communities. Six thousand years of violence and chaos, of abusive power and plundered privilege, is more than long enough. It’s time for something better.
(scroll down)
http://legalise-freedom.com/

Horn

7th May 2014, 06:55 PM

too bad I will have to wait to go to the library to download this (tomorrow)

Its a pretty straight forward piece to summarize a long thread.

Maybe it highlights in fashion an argument as to whether mainstream archaeology is part of our advanced civilization or remnant relic and lesser civilization... while that may be an argument,, I think its safe to say mainstream archaeology and its component follower agents are certainly among the most worstly civilized. (as is evidenced by this and a great many other threads)... and no longer an argument. Their terribly erroneous work history stands as a testament to this fact.

singular_me

7th May 2014, 06:55 PM

Farsight Planet 2014 and The Great Pyramid of Giza
The Farsight Institute | Remote Viewing Nonprofit Research
The Great Pyramid project was undertaken at The Farsight Institute using data collected by two of the most accomplished military grade remote viewers operating today. As a result, the true story of how the Great Pyramid was actually constructed using a combination of exotic advanced technology and brutal manual labor can finally be told.

(although I believe in remote viewing, they sell a DVD, see)
trailer also endorsing aliens hypothesis)
http://legalise-freedom.com/radio/courtney-brown-the-mystery-of-the-great-pyramid-solved/

Neuro

8th May 2014, 12:07 AM

What is remote viewing data collection? And what is a military grade remote viewer? Is this connected with military intelligence/mind control?

Neuro

8th May 2014, 12:34 AM

What is remote viewing data collection? And what is a military grade remote viewer? Is this connected with military intelligence/mind control?
Some seemed to think Farsight Institute was connected to CIA mind controll programs already in 1996;
http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a75.htm

aeondaze

8th May 2014, 02:56 AM

Some seemed to think Farsight Institute was connected to CIA mind controll programs already in 1996;
http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a75.htm

Certainly seems to add a lot more weight to the reality that this whole theory is being pushed by the NWO/Masons/CIA/MI6 etc.

Pushing all this disinformation, getting people to chase their tails on completely redundant pursuits all the while encouraging people to abandon common sense, logic and the scientific method so they become pliable, easily misled slaves who can't use reason for themselves and are therefore unable to ascertain the truth from their propoganda and to top it all off make the peons believe they're unasailable with some king of secret knowledge that renders them impune and above the rest of humanity

Makes a lot of sense, a lot more sense ironically than the theory they are pushing.

Neuro

8th May 2014, 05:09 AM

singular_me

8th May 2014, 05:36 AM

aeondaze

8th May 2014, 05:46 AM

from their own site: they are not trying to hide
http://www.farsight.org/farsightpress/farsightpress.html

Yeah well, duh! Thats the purpose of disinformation, to release it in the public domain.

All supports the very plausible reality that these kinds of theories are spread by the NWO/masons/CIA/MI6.

Neuro

8th May 2014, 05:53 AM

It doesnt surprise me at all. But if the CIA is interested in paranormal phenomenons, it tells us the latter are given much credibility. it just is deplorable that remote viewing can also be used to serve dark agendas, but this can be said about just anything these days, as corruption/deception are at their apogee.

from their own site: they are not trying to hide
http://www.farsight.org/farsightpress/farsightpress.html
CIA can't be interested in the subject just from a pure disinformation angle, could they? What happened with the devastating meteor impact of 2013 predicted by the military grade remote viewers? Why can't you see about that on their website? Hale Bopp? They target the gullible, with their so-called science... CIA may have had a genuine interest in it from the beginning, but after examining it they found it worthless, and decided to get their money's worth by using it as a disinformation tool. Do you really believe CIA would allow this Psyche-Dr to spread this information if they found value in the technique? Really?

singular_me

8th May 2014, 05:57 AM

aeondaze

8th May 2014, 06:06 AM

if you are not familiar with the remote viewing definition:
Remote viewing is a mental faculty that allows a person to describe or give details about a target that is inaccessible to normal senses due to distance or time.

Military grade? see the above but applied to the military and espionage.

education should make the study of remote viewing and telepathy available. Humans have much more paranormal abilities than what we are told... but society has been so dumbed down that at this stage, it plays right in the hands of the comptrollers .

Thats a good one!

You're like putty in their hands, believing their disinfo, all the while being brainwashed into thinking and believing what they want you to think. 'Dumbed' down doesn't even begin to describe your mindset.

It's one thing to be tricked, it a whole other level of brainwashing when you willfully believe that you are fighting them and their system by believing these fairy tales when they're the ones feeding you this bullshit, lol

OMG, this thread has just taken an hilarious turn...:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxig2AF1-gw

singular_me

8th May 2014, 06:27 AM

okay lets jump on that to discredit any alien hypothesis - and me by the same token? I know how it works. :)

I havent looked into the Farsight activities BUT all I am aware of the many paranormal activities that the CIA has been interested in such as the Montauk Project... paranormal IS sciences that we do not fully understand yet.

EXAMPLE: The CIA was too experimenting LDS on subjects, and I can tell you that they know a lot about it. Yet many would ridicule mind expanding psychedelics. And I almost sure that you'd fall in that category.

I havent spent much time on the Farsight website... but are you after disinfo or/and trying to debunk remote viewing? :)

But I will tell you that if you wish to debunk the paranormal, you'd better start another thread, and I guarantee you that it will be as long as this one. :)

We cannot know what goals the CIA is truly after but spreading psyops is a specialty of theirs... sometimes they will allow an event to happen because it suits their plans... sometimes they will give the impression that some experiments have failed.... and sometimes all this will sound like a lot of disinfo going on. Quite often, disinfo is used to make us look in the other direction.

I am surprised that you pointed to the zetatalk link because I would NOT have posted that one, zetatalk is considered as a disinfo site by the people who believe in the aliens hypothesis. But considering what I say above, who knows? However, there are many other sites that I prefer to get my info from.

CIA can't be interested in the subject just from a pure disinformation angle, could they? What happened with the devastating meteor impact of 2013 predicted by the military grade remote viewers? Why can't you see about that on their website? Hale Bopp? They target the gullible, with their so-called science... CIA may have had a genuine interest in it from the beginning, but after examining it they found it worthless, and decided to get their money's worth by using it as a disinformation tool. Do you really believe CIA would allow this Psyche-Dr to spread this information if they found value in the technique? Really?

aeondaze

8th May 2014, 06:38 AM

Just hold it there a minute.

You brought up this remote viewing fraud as evidence of how the pyramids were built. So yes it fits right in here. You can't have everyhting your way, unfortunately. Even if you did start another thread, I'm sure Neuro would close it down and make you continue here, because you posted remote viewing as some kind of proof of how the pyramids were built.

It fits right here.

By the way its LSD, not LDS, you're confusing a halucinogenic substance with The Church of the Latter day Saints (LDS, or Mormons) which in anyones language is pretty funny:D

The 'paranormal' is the very antithesis of a science. All the available science tell us its a fraud.

This theory is looking more and more like NWO/Masonic/CIA/MI6 disinformation. The last few posts have been rather damning to the veracity of posters intentions and their dubious theories.

singular_me

8th May 2014, 06:51 AM

Aheondaze, you have contented in other threads that the world as we know it is at its apogee... enough said, talk of mind control... um-um ???,

I have never saw you say anything against geo and bio engineering for example, all of which clearly show that masses are being dumbed down and preyed on. Yet you want me to believe that mainstream history as we know it is not a fraud . Indeed thats funny :)

Thats a good one!

You're like putty in their hands, believing their disinfo, all the while being brainwashed into thinking and believing what they want you to think. 'Dumbed' down doesn't even begin to describe your mindset.

It's one thing to be tricked, it a whole other level of brainwashing when you willfully believe that you are fighting them and their system by believing these fairy tales when they're the ones feeding you this bullshit, lol

OMG, this thread has just taken an hilarious turn...:D]

aeondaze

8th May 2014, 06:58 AM

Neuro

8th May 2014, 07:03 AM

singular_me

8th May 2014, 07:04 AM

remote viewing is NOT a fraud, but its experimentation for sure is.used to deceive, as many other things in this world... remote viewing is real... just as telepathy and other psychic gifts humans have. It is not because an elite subverts the potential of these abilities that they have to be ridiculed.

the problem you see is that many would agree that atheism is a controlled opposition... what do you say about it?

Just hold it there a minute.

You brought up this remote viewing fraud as evidence of how the pyramids were built. So yes it fits right in here. You can't have everyhting your way, unfortunately. Even if you did start another thread, I'm sure Neuro would close it down and make you continue here, because you posted remote viewing as some kind of proof of how the pyramids were built.

It fits right here.

By the way its LSD, not LDS, you're confusing a halucinogenic substance with The Church of the Latter day Saints (LDS, or Mormons) which in anyones language is pretty funny:D

The 'paranormal' is the very antithesis of a science. All the available science tell us its a fraud.

This theory is looking more and more like NWO/Masonic/CIA/MI6 disinformation. The last few posts have been rather damning to the veracity of posters intentions and their dubious theories.

aeondaze

8th May 2014, 07:12 AM

what do you say about it?

I say you're a fraud.

I say that all your theories are fraudulent.

I say that you're verging on delusional and should seek help immediately

I say that what drives you predominately is hate combined with a rather large inferiority complex.

I say that your theories are a front for the NWO/Masons/CIA/MI6

I say that you cannot even begin to extricate yourself form the mess your mind is in.

Horn

8th May 2014, 07:22 AM

Certainly seems to add a lot more weight to the reality that this whole theory is being pushed by the NWO/Masons/CIA/MI6 etc.

Aeon would have us believe that Plato was a DARPA agent,

as he conflicts with his "modern archaeology's" rather even more remote viewing of the past.

aeondaze

8th May 2014, 07:26 AM

Aeon would have us believe that Plato was a DARPA agent,

as he conflicts with his "modern archaeology's" rather even more remote viewing of the past.

Refer to here: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?76792-Pyramids-and-The-Orion-Belt-(mind-blowing)&p=708337&viewfull=1#post708337

singular_me

8th May 2014, 07:32 AM

atheism is a controlled opposition, a masonic plot :)

psychic abilities in humans are real...

and you just cannot deal with it, simple.

My mind is doing just fine... :) unlike you I am using my perception that everything is dual in our 3D reality and ready to walk through the maze... something you obviously cannot do.

I say you're a fraud.

I say that all your theories are fraudulent.

I say that you're verging on delusional and should seek help immediately

I say that what drives you predominately is hate combined with a rather large inferiority complex.

I say that your theories are a front for the NWO/Masons/CIA/MI6

I say that you cannot even begin to extricate yourself form the mess your mind is in.

aeondaze

8th May 2014, 07:34 AM

atheism is a masonic plot :)

psychic abilities in humans are real...

and you just cannot deal with is, simple.

My mind is doing just fine... :)

Denial is the first stage, thats OK though, keep going and you might just get there...:rolleyes:

singular_me

8th May 2014, 07:57 AM

You have absolutely no frickin' idea how advanced the elites are into mind control, simply because they are FULLY aware in human psychic potential, and to disturb our very abilities they spread controlled oppositions all over.

Just google "the century of the self" a 5 hour doc explaining how they managed to turn society into consumers-addicts by exploiting the perception of the ego and manipulating it to death...

but since you are intentionally oblivious, you claim that it all a fraud. Paranormal IS sciences/physics but is called as such by the mainstream which doesnt have all data to explain it to the masses as how it really works.

But rest assured, the NWO is perfectly aware of that everything in the Universe is about electro-magnetism and frequencies and since our brain is an electric device, it is CAPABLE to decipher what we called paranormal - if given access to proper education. If today we use 20% of our brain capacity it is already much.

Many have no idea of deep is running this on going war on Consciousness/Spirituality/Sciences... hence the history of the world by the same token. And humanity will not win that fight UNLESS we are intellectually ready to face it once and for all.

The 'paranormal' is the very antithesis of a science. All the available science tell us its a fraud.
.

aeondaze

8th May 2014, 08:07 AM

You have absolutely no frickin' idea how advanced the elites are into mind control, simply because they are FULLY aware in human psychic potential, and to disturb our very abilities they spread controlled oppositions all over.

Just google "the century of the self" a 5 hour doc explaining how they managed to turn society into consumers-addicts by exploiting the perception of the ego and manipulating it to death...

but since you are intentionally oblivious, you claim that it all a fraud. Paranormal IS sciences/physics but is called as such by the mainstream which doesnt have all data to explain it to the masses as how it really works.

But rest assured, the NWO is perfectly aware of the everything in the Universe is about electro-magnetism and frequencies and since our brain is an electric device, it is CAPABLE to decipher what we called paranormal - if given access to proper education. If today we use 20% of our brain capacity it is already much.

Many have no idea of deep is running this on going war on Consciousness/Spirituality/Sciences... hence the history of the world by the same token. And humanity will not win that fight UNLESS we are intellectually ready to face it once and for all.

Looks like you've been taking LDS again, :p

This is a great example of how the NWO/masons/CIA/MI6 program people into believing these fairy tales so vociferously that they're blinded from seeing the truth and actively refuse to consider it when presented, instead chosing to build castles made of sand...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4K48GGWEwc

At this stage I have a hard time deciding if you're a victim or a perpetrator...hard one to tell. Maybe your handlers will know, you should ask them...o)(~

Neuro

8th May 2014, 08:13 AM

Your remote viewing pyramid link/site was exposed as a CIA mind control front, and now you are ranting about how we are not aware of the mind control agenda. I don't expect you to see your own logical inconsistency here or rather illogical consistency...

Neuro

8th May 2014, 01:03 PM

Looks like you've been taking LDS again, :p

This is a great example of how the NWO/masons/CIA/MI6 program people into believing these fairy tales so vociferously that they're blinded from seeing the truth and actively refuse to consider it when presented, instead chosing to build castles made of sand...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4K48GGWEwc

At this stage I have a hard time deciding if you're a victim or a perpetrator...hard one to tell. Maybe your handlers will know, you should ask them...o)(~
True, I start thinking that Magnes was right about her!

singular_me

8th May 2014, 01:04 PM

atheism is a controlled opposition, what do you say about it. ???

you contend that I am a masonic plant, do you realize that when you do this, you indeed acknowledge facts that you refute in the first place... ???

You know, 500 years ago, claiming the virtue of acupuncture would have been called a witchcraft. :) Human challenges have not changed... and you still fall for it.

No knowledge is evil, only the intent to use it for good or evil will determine one's ethics. Its concealment is too a grave issue because it prevents ppl from making up their own minds and making the right choices for themselves.

Denial is the first stage, thats OK though, keep going and you might just get there...:rolleyes:

Neuro

8th May 2014, 01:51 PM

atheism is a controlled opposition, what do you say about it. ???
Atheism, what on earth has it to do with anything brought up here soforthe?

Horn

8th May 2014, 02:15 PM

Your remote viewing pyramid link/site was exposed as a CIA mind control front,

exposed as in they were already naked?

Now who's stretching into The Truth from truth by remotely viewing?

Neuro

8th May 2014, 02:35 PM

exposed as in they were already naked?

Now who's stretching into The Truth from truth by remotely viewing?
I think you are.

Btw do you think you can get a mortar less joint if you fit the stone next to the stone you cut from the quarry?

Horn

8th May 2014, 02:53 PM

I think you are.

Btw do you think you can get a mortar less joint if you fit the stone next to the stone you cut from the quarry?

I'm stretching the truth?

No sir, not all the rock is perfect for the taking, is another reason why the cuts must be, perfect.

singular_me

8th May 2014, 03:24 PM

thats a good lesson... always make a search before offering alternative sources... ooops, all mainstream TV networks are too CIA operatives

too bad for me, I gave you the opportunity to trash remote viewing... and I cannot go backward. But I am fine with it.

the funny thing, though, is that you came up with a link that is too a from CIA operative to expose mine. ZetaTalk is mainly known for the psyop Niburu that was supposed to destroy earth several years ago... Indeed we do live in a crazy world :)

exposed as in they were already naked?

Now who's stretching into The Truth from truth by remotely viewing?

Neuro

8th May 2014, 03:29 PM

I'm stretching the truth? <br>
<br>
No sir, not all the rock is perfect for the taking, is another reason why the cuts must be, perfect.<br>
I get that. Are all the joints without mortar? Or just the ones you show?

Horn

8th May 2014, 03:30 PM

the funny thing, though, is that you came up with a link that is too a from CIA operative to expose mine. Indeed we do live in a crazy world :)

Nobody is hiding the fact that they were involved with CIA remote viewing, henceforth it cannot be exposed.

The assumption that they somehow would lend credence to alternative theories other than postulated from current CIA/masonic/zog mainstream programming theory is in fact a mute point.

As remotely viewed by myself. :)

singular_me

8th May 2014, 03:35 PM

yes, Farsight speaks openly about it... I forgot that

Nobody is hiding the fact that they were involved with CIA remote viewing, henceforth it cannot be exposed.

Horn

8th May 2014, 03:44 PM

I get that. Are all the joints without mortar? Or just the ones you show?

The definition of megalithic structure falls into the mortarless category. Block walls/structure are of a particular interest in the category as any statue or single rock large column or obelisk type structure doesn't require joining.

As far as masons/CIA/zog are concerned other than the "alien" threat :eek: my impression is they are happy enough to go along with the 3500b.c. number given by the Pope. Or only caring so far to any advanced pre-diluvian cultures so much so that you look to them for protection as they are supposed to be the most advanced, and nobody does it better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNA7DcVppEs

Neuro

8th May 2014, 03:51 PM

thats a good lesson... always make a search before offering alternative sources... ooops, all mainstream TV networks are too CIA operatives

too bad for me, I gave you the opportunity to trash alternative viewing... and I cannot go backward. But I am fine with it.

the funny thing, though, is that you came up with a link that is too a from CIA operative to expose mine. ZetaTalk is mainly known for the psyop Niburu that was supposed to destroy earth several years ago... Indeed we do live in a crazy world :)
Poor you. Could it have been that Zetatalk was hijacked or manipulated, sometime in the early 2000's? As some in this link seems to suspect... http://website.lineone.net/~brian_gillbanks/ttoneA.htm :) Nah, someone exposing a CIA operation in 1997 couldn't possibly become one in 2003... :)

Neuro

8th May 2014, 04:15 PM

The definition of megalithic structure falls into the mortarless category. Block walls/structure are of a particular interest in the category as any statue or single rock large column or obelisk type structure doesn't require joining.

As far as masons/CIA/zog are concerned other than the "alien" threat :eek: my impression is they are happy enough to go along with the 3500b.c. number given by the Pope. Or only caring so far to any advanced pre-diluvian cultures so much so that you look to them for protection as they are supposed to be the most advanced, and nobody does it better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNA7DcVppEs
Well I don't look to them for my protection. The pyramids were supposedly built around 2500-2600 BC. I don't know what you are claiming, so far you have said nothing. When were they built and by whom and how, in your humble opinion of course? I figured you are certain that it wasn't the Epyptians, because at the time they probably didn't have access to iron tools. But someone with a lathe and advanced machines to cut stones, and to align the pyramids.

Or could they have just discarded the series of stones that didn't turn out well at the cutting? And maybe they just aligned the pyramids at the time the sun was at zenith, by a long stick to get the best North-south alignment? Put some strings out following the shadow of the stick... Do it a hundred times and you end up having a good average distribution deal?

Neuro

8th May 2014, 04:38 PM

It is estimated that 5.5 million tonnes of limestone, 8,000 tonnes of granite (imported from Aswan), and 500,000 tonnes of mortar were used in the construction of the Great Pyramid. The largest granite stones in the pyramid, found in the "King's" chamber, weigh 25 to 80 tonnes.
http://en.wikipedia.org)
You have half a million tons of Mortar in the pyramid, so it is not a 'megalithic' structure then is it?

Horn

8th May 2014, 05:39 PM

You have half a million tons of Mortar in the pyramid, so it is not a 'megalithic' structure then is it?

I've only heard it stated that mortar may have been used as a repair item later. As far as the construction no pictures I have seen contain a "mortar type" wall constructed about the pyramids bent or giza.

Its possible they may have estimated erosion fill as mortar, but its obviously not a mortar construction, as it is megalithic (structural connection by shear weight) from any pictures available. Maybe they are talking about the sand/mortar used to fill the internal gaps around the chambers and odd fitting areas within it?

singular_me

8th May 2014, 07:29 PM

well, aeondaze called me a masonic front several times in this thread, while he can't see that atheism is just another divide and conquer NWO strategy.

Atheism, what on earth has it to do with anything brought up here soforthe?

aeondaze

8th May 2014, 08:43 PM

well, aeondaze called me a masonic front several times in this thread, while he can't see that atheism is just another divide and conquer NWO strategy.

Yes I called you an agent for their missguided and redundant theories and you proclaim to know a lot about NWO strategies.

Please explain to me how atheism is another divide and conquer strategy? What it is about atheists that you despise so much?

Horn

9th May 2014, 12:21 AM

Well I don't look to them for my protection. The pyramids were supposedly built around 2500-2600 BC. I don't know what you are claiming, so far you have said nothing. When were they built and by whom and how, in your humble opinion of course? I figured you are certain that it wasn't the Epyptians, because at the time they probably didn't have access to iron tools. But someone with a lathe and advanced machines to cut stones, and to align the pyramids.

Or could they have just discarded the series of stones that didn't turn out well at the cutting? And maybe they just aligned the pyramids at the time the sun was at zenith, by a long stick to get the best North-south alignment? Put some strings out following the shadow of the stick... Do it a hundred times and you end up having a good average distribution deal?

There's enough evidence to conclude they were built well before Kufu, and would take much longer to build than the time alotted. Some cataclysmic event came and wiped the slate clean. How nothing was left to record, or where record was taken could only suggest it was built by a highly protective civilization, one that might have known a cataclysm was on its way? However speculative that is.

Neuro

9th May 2014, 01:24 AM

There's enough evidence to conclude they were built well before Kufu, and would take much longer to build than the time alotted. Some cataclysmic event came and wiped the slate clean. How nothing was left to record, or where record was taken could only suggest it was built by a highly protective civilization, one that might have known a cataclysm was on its way? However speculative that is.
What evidence would conclude they were built well before Kufru? Are there drawings from pre-Kufru depicting the pyramids? If not, why not, those impressive structures should have inspired artists everywhere, no?

Did they have a dam at Aswan that breached... If the current dam walls of Aswan were breached, by a small nuke for instance, more than 99% of Egypts population would be wiped clean...

singular_me

9th May 2014, 06:33 AM

the topic of atheism is for another thread, Aeondaze... but I can tell you this, I generally dont have any problem with atheists/agnostics and I dont regard them as antagonists, as we all need each other's views to move forward in life.

It really doesnt matter what one believes in as long as one is able to recognize harmful/coercive theories and the multi-layer deception we live in. And when I read your postings on GSUS, I have the feeling that you never goo deep enough into the topics you address.

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from a 33 degree mason

Albert Pike's 1871 Plan For The Three World Wars
The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.
http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

It is easy to foresee NWO strategies, truth is always simple... listen: one can buy a gun for self-defense or aggression and the NWO always banks on this duality (polarization of thoughts and actions) to enforce its agendas and take over the world and fragment humans psyches. Dualism, was already understood by ancient egyptians and other ancient civilizations. Not something cavemen could have found out. Later on it was absolutely mastered by Gnosticism and Hermeticism.

So it is really up to you to investigate what they were really teaching in The Mystery Schools... the foundation of the NWO/masons/zionists/illuminati/bilderbergers,/whatever you want to call them, they are all the same.

its really up to you. I made the choice to probe what they know to use my gun for self defense. Knowledge is never evil but the intent to harm.

Yes I called you an agent for their missguided and redundant theories and you proclaim to know a lot about NWO strategies.

Please explain to me how atheism is another divide and conquer strategy? What it is about atheists that you despise so much?

aeondaze

9th May 2014, 07:07 AM

It really doesnt matter what one believes in as long as one is able to recognize harmful/coercive theories and the multi-layer deception we live in. And when I read your postings on GSUS, I have the feeling that you never goo deep enough into the topics you address.

The only coercive and deceptive force I see in these threads comes from your insitance we believe these fairy tales.

You can try and patronise me all you like but the problem you face is that I am not suscetible to your NWO/masnonic/CIA/MI6 programming/garbage that you spew relentlessly on this forum.

To go any deeper, as you put it, would be to place some credence in what you are trying to preach. To go any 'deeper' one would require valid proof of these absurd claims that you make but have clearly failed to do, not even ONCE in over 60 pages.

Its a pitty how you have such utter contempt for these so called 'cavemen' that you drone on and on about, because the reality is that these are our ancestors and you're overwhelming need to marginalise, deride and condemn them serves to deny mankind his past, alienating him from his true self and essentialy throwing humanity to the wolves.

I can see now why it bothers you so much, you're a destructive force attempting to encircle mankind with lies. Lies that would incapacitate and harm his rational mind so that the elite programmers can have their wicked way without a fight.

I'll NEVER give into their foolish charade and I'll never allow you or them to dicate destructive and subversive ideaology to my kin, not in this generation, nor the next, to be sure.

In essence, this is what bothers you the most.

:D

Horn

9th May 2014, 07:34 AM

What evidence would conclude they were built well before Kufru? Are there drawings from pre-Kufru depicting the pyramids? If not, why not, those impressive structures should have inspired artists everywhere, no?

This is the turd that Khufu left behind as evidence.

6344

Neuro

9th May 2014, 09:12 AM

This is the turd that Khufu left behind as evidence.

6344
That is not evidence of anything you claim. I guess you don't have any then?

Horn

9th May 2014, 03:28 PM

That is not evidence of anything you claim. I guess you don't have any then?

I am claiming that Khufu did not build the Great Pyramid.

If he were he to answer, he could site his clay turd as proper evidence to that fact. By stating that this was all he was capable of pooping for an alibi at that time.

You have to learn proper legalese, firstly.

singular_me

9th May 2014, 03:34 PM

go ahead, Neuro.... believe in the history cartel when the world is dying from cartelization in front our very eyes. You made your choice, helping suppress history.

That is not evidence of anything you claim. I guess you don't have any then?

Horn

9th May 2014, 03:43 PM

Pandorah's box?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyUoF9977o0

Dogman

9th May 2014, 03:50 PM

I am claiming that Khufu did not build the Great Pyramid.

If he were he to answer, he could site his clay turd as proper evidence to that fact. By stating that this was all he was capable of pooping for an alibi at that time.

You have to learn proper legalese, firstly.

Golden or mud, turds?

As in all things, since the internet, and access to it by some that can not count past 20, the explosion of sites that are interlinked together, it makes separating the chafe from the wheat, which holds forth on any subject. Many examples for those that dare to look into the written word and not written on the net, (library's) use what is found on the net as "truth" ( I am getting to hate that word, it has been warped in these days). Some heavy believers of their own agendas are members here, and they are 180° opposite of what was observed and many lived and died in the times and call truth, compared to what the ones today that have not witnessed or met any that have lived personalty during the times, even tho they were not ever born yet or a gleam of their fathers eyes..

Tho the majority of the ones that lived through that part of our history will violently disagree with them. They are living even if they are dying off now because of old age holding to the principle of "History will repeat itself, If one does not learn from the past mistakes" (My wording)

Wow!

This thread is reaching "Epic" G.S.U.S. standards and records.

Some here will remember how it was during the so called "cold" war, Crazy times on a national and international level,

And a good example of what fear will drive people and society's into madness.

Germany in the 20th century in the 30's till their destruction is a dam fine example, times boomed until the bills came due. HItler was using loaned money, that caused the nation to boom. But could not repay the bills.

Sorry my post is a split topic of a wandering mind warp..Thinking of several recent posts.

Part off topic.

singular_me

9th May 2014, 04:20 PM

The plot thickens :)

ps: I would have loved to be part of their team... they make my day!

Accredited archaeologists have dismissed their claims as conspiratorial nonsense ROFLOL
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German "Conspiracy Nuts" Prove Pyramid not built by Khufu!!!
03 Dec 2013

Two German students, in an effort to prove that the Great Pyramids are 15,000 years older than they really are, chipped off samples from the walls of an ancient burial chamber and brought them back home for analysis.

Both Egyptian and German authorities are outraged.

As reported in News Corp Australia, the two University of Dresden students subscribe to a popular theory among conspiracy theorists that the Pyramids are evidence of a lost civilization. They consider all reactions against this claim to be part of an ancient conspiracy; the "old guard" is hiding the "truth."

NCA reports:

The painted cartouche which named Pharaoh Khufu (Cheops) is scrawled in a small compartment above his burial chamber in one of the three Great Pyramids at Giza.

Their idea is a popular one: That the Great Pyramids were merely "refurbished" by the Old Kingdom Pharaoh credited with its construction in the 26th Century BC. They argue the official dating of the Pyramids is solely based on the presence of the ancient red cartouche.

The two students from Dresden University recently took matters into their own hands: With Egypt's political turmoil distracting security forces, the pair conspired to sample the red paint and smuggle the pigment out of Egypt. They have since asserted the fragments support arguments that the construction of date of the Pyramids was much older than Khufu's reign.

Accredited archaeologists have dismissed their claims as conspiratorial nonsense, noting the mountain of evidence clearly demonstrating when the pyramids were built and by whom— like papyri diaries of engineers working on the pyramids, records of trading expeditions to get the construction materials, and the excavation of a massive nearby worker's camp where the builders resided.

http://io9.com/german-conspiracy-nuts-vandalize-part-of-khufu-pyramid-1475089395
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Archaeologists find 3,600-year-old mummy in Egypt
February 14, 2014

........... The Egyptian defendants are already in detention.

Barakat says the Germans, along with their Egyptian guides, entered the famed pyramids of Giza with permits to visit but not excavate, and left with samples of stone from the ramparts of two tombs and the burial room of King Khufu.

Egyptian archaeologist Monica Hanna says the German researchers wanted to use the samples prove their hypothesis in a documentary they later filmed, which says that the pyramids were built by a people that pre-dates the ancient Egyptians.

The online documentary, removed in the wake of the controversy, showed one researcher inside the inner chambers of the Khufu pyramid, taking samples from the king’s cartouche.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/02/14/egypt-archaeologists-find-3600-year-old-mummy/?intcmp=features

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Let's Review the Problems

1. Several cartouches with different forms/spellings were discovered (or fraudulently inscribed) on the walls of the relieving chambers. These names are suppose to identify the owner and purpose of the Great Pyramid. These names are: Saufou or Shoufou (Supis), Khoufou (Cheops), SENeshoufou, Raufu, Khnem-Khufu (Chephren?), and Khufu. Which one is it?

2. Hieroglyphic script was of a semi-hieratic style, which was not practiced until the Middle Kingdom (2000 BC.)

3. No funerary text, hieroglyphics, or frescoes exists to depict the GP as a tomb. For the ancient Egyptians to spend so much time, energy and money to build such a monument and not spend one ounce of time or energy to decorate it in their customary elaborate, ornate funeral-ritualistic style to depict the awe-inspiring structure as a tomb for their great Pharaoh (King!) makes no common sense at all, especially since that is one of the most famous things the ancient Egyptians are so famous for! Think about that.

4. No physical evidence exists that proves a mummy was entombed in the stone Coffer, and no physical evidence of any personal possessions (artifacts) that were customarily placed in the tomb with the deceased has ever been found. Nothing. Nada. It's as if someone went through the entire pyramid and swept it clean with a broom. I find these equally strange.

5. No inscriptions or designs exist on the exterior of the Coffer. This is explained in detail on the following page.

6. Nathaniel Davison discovered the first relieving chamber in 1765 (72 years before Vyse). No hieroglyphic inscriptions were discovered in this chamber. On the other hand, Col. Vyse discovered all the chambers above Davison's Chamber, and oddly enough, they are the ONLY chambers with the ONLY hieroglyphic inscriptions that have ever been found inside the GP. Coincidence?

7. Why is the most important cartouche of Khufu found inside Campbell's Chamber and drawn by Vyse at the time of the discovery unlike the same cartouche that is painted on the wall in the same chamber today? Why is there three crosshatches inside the circle, depicting a sieve in the cartouche today when they did NOT exist at the time of it was discovered in 1837? Did this cartouche undergo some form of (fraudulent?) restoration?

http://www.rickrichards.com/egypt/Egypt6.htm

Horn

9th May 2014, 05:05 PM

6345

Well they appear to be well aged veteran students, not the freshman class, that must count towards credibility.

Horn

9th May 2014, 05:26 PM

Roughly hewn...

http://content.satimagingcorp.com/static/galleryimages/quickbird-giza-pyramids.jpg

Dogman

9th May 2014, 05:50 PM

Exact angles, for so primitive. For they that do or did not have a over head view.

Kudos to the ancients that still confound us so called modern people.

But remember the humans on earth have been here abt 6000 years give or take. (biblical view)

There has been more happing on this planet with humans, way before recorded time, and stone is the only building material that stands the test of the same.

This goes back way before the pyramids, but the evidence is debated or ignored. Time and nature can erase any clue given enough time.

What no one can debate is that the stonework around the world, was exact and precise and can not be proven how they did it given the technology they were susosed to have at the time that the ancients did it.

Theorys are fluff, and a dime a dozen.

aeondaze

9th May 2014, 06:33 PM

Accredited archaeologists have dismissed their claims as conspiratorial nonsense ROFLOL
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German "Conspiracy Nuts" Prove Pyramid not built by Khufu!!!
03 Dec 2013

Two German students, in an effort to prove that the Great Pyramids are 15,000 years older than they really are, chipped off samples from the walls of an ancient burial chamber and brought them back home for analysis.

http://www.rickrichards.com/egypt/Egypt6.htm

Dominique Gorlitz is a motivational speaker and ex-high school teacher specialising in the fields of biology and sport. His only claim to Egyptology fame appears to be a failed attempt to cross the Atlantic in a boat built to a modified form of those found in excavations at Giza. It sank part-way into the voyage.

Stefan Erdmann is an esoteric author who writes about a broad range of counterculture conspiracy theories. His books include The Cheops Lie, Hitler lived in Argentina, and Banks, Bread and Bombs which purports to expose the secret world governments of the Freemasons, Illuminati, Knights Templar and … George W. Bush.

Says it all really, these guys are CRAKPOTS. No expereince in archaeology whatsoever. They are vandals not archaeologists.

So what does their vandalising prove? NOTHING, lol

singular_me

9th May 2014, 06:51 PM

okay, here is a unique chance for you to get to the bottom of this... go investigate ancient knowledge and come back when you have a good grasp about it.

fairytale explaining the world demise (which is h-e-a-v-i-l-y documented on GSUS) , so now fairytales are true obviously. How can you say that when I just quoted a 33 degree mason planning the destruction of society and WW3? ... it is all happening, Aeon. It is 4000 year old conspiracy... watch the all seeing eye in the pyramid.

The only coercive and deceptive force I see in these threads comes from your insitance we believe these fairy tales.

You can try and patronise me all you like but the problem you face is that I am not suscetible to your NWO/masnonic/CIA/MI6 programming/garbage that you spew relentlessly on this forum.

To go any deeper, as you put it, would be to place some credence in what you are trying to preach. To go any 'deeper' one would require valid proof of these absurd claims that you make but have clearly failed to do, not even ONCE in over 60 pages.

Its a pitty how you have such utter contempt for these so called 'cavemen' that you drone on and on about, because the reality is that these are our ancestors and you're overwhelming need to marginalise, deride and condemn them serves to deny mankind his past, alienating him from his true self and essentialy throwing humanity to the wolves.

I can see now why it bothers you so much, you're a destructive force attempting to encircle mankind with lies. Lies that would incapacitate and harm his rational mind so that the elite programmers can have their wicked way without a fight.

I'll NEVER give into their foolish charade and I'll never allow you or them to dicate destructive and subversive ideaology to my kin, not in this generation, nor the next, to be sure.

In essence, this is what bothers you the most.

:D

Horn

9th May 2014, 06:53 PM

So what does their vandalising prove? NOTHING, lol

They have since asserted the fragments support arguments that the construction of date of the Pyramids was much older than Khufu's reign.

aeondaze

9th May 2014, 06:58 PM

They have since asserted the fragments support arguments that the construction of date of the Pyramids was much older than Khufu's reign.

More assertions, you guys have given us over 60 pages of baseless assertions, when are we going to get some hardcore EVIDENCE....never I guess...keep dreaming.

aeondaze

9th May 2014, 07:04 PM

Horn

9th May 2014, 07:06 PM

More assertions, you guys have given us over 60 pages of baseless assertions, when are we going to get some hardcore EVIDENCE....never I guess...keep dreaming.

In my estimation the paint fragments would be considered physical evidence, not necessarily "hardcore" as you put it though.

Dogman

9th May 2014, 07:17 PM

That is the thing, it is older than dirt, and no one has a frigging or at lest a real clue...!

Because of that the debate will be endless.

Dos centavos

Mine!

aeondaze

9th May 2014, 07:25 PM

That is the thing, it is older than dirt, and no one has a frigging or at lest a real clue...!

WRONG. There is plenty of evidence the pyramids were built by Egyptians in the third millenia BC. There is zero evidence otherwise.

Dogman

9th May 2014, 07:29 PM

WRONG. There is plenty of evidence the pyramids were built by Egyptians in the third millenia BC. There is zero evidence otherwise.

Sorry Dad, I was using a shotgun approach,

But I still stand as far as stonework, that to this day can not be explained.

In some ways this is like shooting chickens in the coop.

aeondaze

9th May 2014, 07:33 PM

Sorry Dad, I was using a shotgun approach,

But I still stand as far as stonework, that to this day can not be explained.

Its OK Son, some of it may not be fully explained, that doesn't mean there is a great mystery or profound truth to be discovered. That is illogical.

singular_me

9th May 2014, 07:55 PM

they are not archeologists but serious hobbyists and worked with Fresenius Institute, SGS is the world’s leading inspection, verification, testing and certification company http://www.institut-fresenius.de/english/home/

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trailer... in german, sorry
Many of the videos associated with the project have been made private since the controversy broke, but the following trailer for Das Cheops Projekt remains accessible at the time of posting, and actually appears to feature footage of the vandalism occurring (at 1:31):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-8E8hShPbI

SOME EXCERPTS:
January 16, 2014
http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/why-did-two-german-hobbyists-deface-a-cartouche-of-khufu-inside-the-great-pyramid-and-what-does-it-have-to-do-with-atlantis/story-fnjwl1aw-1226802932762

The conspiracy? That the academic world is colluding to conceal the true age and nature of the Great Pyramids. They're not monumental structures built to contain the tombs of Egyptian Pharoahs: They're really 20,000-year-old Atlantean power stations.

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Dominique Goerlitz and Stefan Erdmann.

Variously described as archeology students from Dresden, amateur archaeologists and "hobbyists", the pair have now reportedly apologised, saying they "meant no harm" in chiselling off samples from within the Great Pyramid.

They said they hoped Egypt's antiquities minister and the Egyptian people would accept their apology and offer to pay compensation.

It appears their apology has not been accepted.

Instead Antiquities Minister Mohamed Ibrahim appears determined to press ahead with a committee of experts formed to investigate what they call illegal secret excavations.

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The men behind the "sampling" of the Great Pyramid insist it was all in the name of science. Real archaeologists are outraged.

But are these 'seekers of truth' all they purport to be?

It appears any archaeological qualifications they may claim are self-granted.

Dominique Gorlitz is a motivational speaker and ex-high school teacher specialising in the fields of biology and sport. His only claim to Egyptology fame appears to be a failed attempt to cross the Atlantic in a boat built to a modified form of those found in excavations at Giza. It sank part-way into the voyage.

Stefan Erdmann is an esoteric author who writes about a broad range of counterculture conspiracy theories. His books include The Cheops Lie, Hitler lived in Argentina, and Banks, Bread and Bombs which purports to expose the secret world governments of the Freemasons, Illuminati, Knights Templar and … George W. Bush.
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Either way, Minister of State for Antiquities Mohamed Ibrahim told Al-Ahram Weekly that he has issued a complaint with Interpol about the men, instigated an airport watch for them, ordered the suspension of all cooperation with the university they were supposedly associated with and penalised the tourist agency which took them to the Giza Pleateau.

He said a "silly trick" was behind the means by which the pair gained access to the pyramid and stated it was "not a quarry" for amateur archaeologists.

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SECRET SAMPLES

At the heart of the scandal is 200 milligrams of pigment and rock said to have been scraped from inside the Great Pyramid and spirited away to laboratories in Germany.

Why did two German 'hobbyists' deface a cartouche of Khufu inside the Great Pyramid and what does it have to do with Atlantis?

Two cranks broke in and damaged an Egyptian pyramid. Now they want funding for a film about their crazy theory.

The book behind the controversy ...

"The Cheops Lie" in which it is postulated that the Pyramids are relics of an ancient Atlantean civilisation, not tombs of Egyptian pharaohs. Source: Supplied

EXACTLY what drove two men to pretend to be archaeologists and hack off pieces of the Great Pyramid? Atlantis. It's a tale of cranks, conspiracies and an ancient cartouche.

The Great Pyramid of Khufu (also known as Cheops) on the Giza Plateau is the largest pyramid in Egypt and the only surviving example of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World.

The cartouche? It's an ancient red-pigment scribble deep inside the Great Pyramid said to be the linchpin in identifying who it was actually built for. Is it an authentic ancient Egyptian depiction of his name, or a 19th century fraud by a British adventurer seeking fame and fortune?

The conspiracy? That the academic world is colluding to conceal the true age and nature of the Great Pyramids. They're not monumental structures built to contain the tombs of Egyptian Pharoahs: They're really 20,000-year-old Atlantean power stations.

The cranks? Two men who took advantage of Egypt's internal chaos to gain access to the pyramid's inner septa, chip away at its stone slabs and scrape pigment off the cartouche to "prove" their alternative version of the history of the world.

In November, Egyptian authorities expressed their outrage at the defacing of their nation's greatest monument. Minister of State for Antiquities Mohamed Ibrahim vowed to hunt the vandals down and take retribution for the assault on their heritage.

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SEEKERS OF THE 'TRUTH'

The men behind the "sampling" of the Great Pyramid insist it was all in the name of science. Real archaeologists are outraged.

But are these 'seekers of truth' all they purport to be?

It appears any archaeological qualifications they may claim are self-granted.

Dominique Gorlitz is a motivational speaker and ex-high school teacher specialising in the fields of biology and sport. His only claim to Egyptology fame appears to be a failed attempt to cross the Atlantic in a boat built to a modified form of those found in excavations at Giza. It sank part-way into the voyage.

Stefan Erdmann is an esoteric author who writes about a broad range of counterculture conspiracy theories. His books include The Cheops Lie, Hitler lived in Argentina, and Banks, Bread and Bombs which purports to expose the secret world governments of the Freemasons, Illuminati, Knights Templar and … George W. Bush.

With them in Egypt was film maker Frank Hofer. His company, Nuoviso, specialises in "exposing" the machinations of the Illuminati and the powers of crop circles.

How did they get permission to enter the Great Pyramid? The Egyptian government isn't exactly sure. They're continuing to investigate if and how the pair managed to get access to film for a documentary in the months leading up to the overthrow of the previous government of Mohamed Morsi. They assert no permission was ever granted for taking samples or other archaeological work and have expressed doubts about the extent of access actually approved.

Either way, Minister of State for Antiquities Mohamed Ibrahim told Al-Ahram Weekly that he has issued a complaint with Interpol about the men, instigated an airport watch for them, ordered the suspension of all cooperation with the university they were supposedly associated with and penalised the tourist agency which took them to the Giza Pleateau.

He said a "silly trick" was behind the means by which the pair gained access to the pyramid and stated it was "not a quarry" for amateur archaeologists.

But Gorlitz and Erdman are being hailed as heroes by believers. Internet chatrooms are overflowing with praise for what they perceive as brave but illegal act necessary to expose the lies of true archeology.

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SECRET SAMPLES

At the heart of the scandal is 200 milligrams of pigment and rock said to have been scraped from inside the Great Pyramid and spirited away to laboratories in Germany.

Why would Egyptian authorities get upset about 200 milligrams when the pyramid weighs 5.9 million tonnes?

The illegal act was targeted at a crucial piece of ancient graffiti in one of the inner chambers, as well as stone from part of the main burial chamber.

These specimens, Gorlitz says, have since been handed to Dresden University for analysis and dating.

Gorlitz told the Cairo Post that they did not enter the Great Pyramid with the intention of taking samples. "The decision was made when we were inside," he said.

Erdmann has told the German magazine Der Spiegel that the scraping was not from the cartouche itself, but rather a marking made with the same pigment nearby. The samples had later been taken from Egypt to the Fresenius Institute in Dresden to be examined, he said.

"We are currently conducting mineralogical investigations of the samples that Erdmann brought us. Where they come from we do not know," a spokesman for the Fresenius Institute told Der Spiegel.

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this so-called expert double speaks... ???

STATE OF THE SCIENCE

Contrary to common belief, archeology is not a rock-solid science. Much of what they understand to have happened in the past shifts and evolves as new - verified - clues are added to the almost infinite assembly of incomplete jigsaw puzzles...........

But Professor of ancient Egyptian civilisation at Cairo University Ahmed Said says there is now plenty of evidence to support the age of the cartouche - and it's not from the reign of Pharoah Khufu himself.

Professor Said says the cartouche contains the king's short name and not the full official version as is used during a Pharoah's reign. It also was written in a cuneiform script, not the long-form of Khufu's time, most likely by a visitor during the Middle Kingdom era - long after the chambers had been looted.

So was Pharaoh Khufu the builder?

Most likely.

singular_me

9th May 2014, 08:36 PM

crackpots?.... all of this is confirmed, heavily evidenced on GSUS.

Stefan Erdmann is an esoteric author who writes about a broad range of counterculture conspiracy theories. His books include The Cheops Lie, Hitler lived in Argentina, and Banks, Bread and Bombs which purports to expose the secret world governments of the Freemasons, Illuminati, Knights Templar and … George W. Bush.

from the article, I just posted.... what do you make of this crackpot egyptologist below? The academic cartel: from 101% certainty for more than a century... to today: most likely ... in a few decades: sorry, not likely

Contrary to common belief, archeology is not a rock-solid science. Much of what they understand to have happened in the past shifts and evolves as new - verified - clues are added to the almost infinite assembly of incomplete jigsaw puzzles...........

But Professor of ancient Egyptian civilisation at Cairo University Ahmed Said says there is now plenty of evidence to support the age of the cartouche - and it's not from the reign of Pharoah Khufu himself.

Professor Said says the cartouche contains the king's short name and not the full official version as is used during a Pharoah's reign. It also was written in a cuneiform script, not the long-form of Khufu's time, most likely by a visitor during the Middle Kingdom era - long after the chambers had been looted.

So was Pharaoh Khufu the builder?

Most likely.

Says it all really, these guys are CRAKPOTS. No expereince in archaeology whatsoever. They are vandals not archaeologists.

So what does their vandalising prove? NOTHING, lol

singular_me

9th May 2014, 09:07 PM

it puzzles me that I havent given up yet :)

Wow! This thread is reaching "Epic" G.S.U.S. standards and records.

Dogman

9th May 2014, 09:13 PM

it puzzles me that I havent given up yet :) If you do I would be major disappointed in you and for you.

Keep on keeping on!

singular_me

9th May 2014, 10:05 PM

I am sure he tells the truth here because he knows the cartouche was not made during Khufu's time. If the egyptologist says so to a newspaper, the info must be available to the public. There is no point to go through all this endeavor, risking jail, paying a lots of $$ for testing if it the cartouche isnt authentic.

Erdmann has told the German magazine Der Spiegel that the scraping was not from the cartouche itself, but rather a marking made with the same pigment nearby. The samples had later been taken from Egypt to the Fresenius Institute in Dresden to be examined, he said.

Professor of ancient Egyptian civilisation at Cairo University Ahmed Said: It also was written in a cuneiform script, not the long-form of Khufu's time, most likely by a visitor during the Middle Kingdom era [/b]

aeondaze

9th May 2014, 11:43 PM

it puzzles me that I havent given up yet :)

Yeah I guess theres got to be a rea$on for that...lol

You've got post after post of useless quoted stuff that prooves absolutely nothing when in the end end it comes down to giving your theiories some veracity because well 'There is no point to go through all this endeavor, risking jail, paying a lots of $$'.

If this is all your theory has going for it then its well and truely dead in the water!

Besides, didn't you know? They haven't had a SINGLE thing tested, if so WHERE are the results?

AND...

They are BROKE...they sourced money to shoot a doco and now its RUN out. Even the crown sourcing FACEBOOK page for the endeavour in no loger...so much for a resious excercise..lol

After returning from Egypt, the group posted clips from their documentary online. These showed their expedition inside the Great Pyramid and detailed the difficulties they had faced in accessing the red cartouche.

So why haven't we seen the documentary on the History, Discovery or National Geographic Channels yet?

They don't have enough cash to finish it.

Funded through a crowdsourcing program, the project has so far fallen far short of its $85,000 goal.

"With the elaborate film shootings and the expensive and the hard to get permissions to film in Egypt we could get the important samples (documented)," their promotion states. "This was privately pre-financed. More financial resources are necessary to bring the documentary to an end in short period of time. Especially the expensive lab analysis of the samples are only possible with a five digit amount of euros."

The crowdsourcing page has since been withdrawn. As have most of the videos showing clips of Gerlitz and Erdman. But the video company's promotional page remains.

No doco, no analysis. This is a complete beatup and looks like it was done for that PURPOSE alone.

Now go away with your stupid asinine wholy bogus BULLSHIT.

singular_me

10th May 2014, 04:52 AM

Aeondaze,

--- they struggle financially, they must be losers ???
--- the investigation delays the release of their doc, they must be crackpots ???

the history cartel which you have been defending to death in this thread IS letting you down...and this so-called Professor of ancient Egyptian civilisation at Cairo University is telling you this already.

No cartel is worth our/your support.

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Contrary to common belief, archeology is not a rock-solid science. Much of what they understand to have happened in the past shifts and evolves as new - verified - clues are added to the almost infinite assembly of incomplete jigsaw puzzles...........

But Professor of ancient Egyptian civilisation at Cairo University Ahmed Said says there is now plenty of evidence to support the age of the cartouche - and it's not from the reign of Pharoah Khufu himself.

Professor Said says the cartouche contains the king's short name and not the full official version as is used during a Pharoah's reign. It also was written in a cuneiform script, not the long-form of Khufu's time, most likely by a visitor during the Middle Kingdom era - long after the chambers had been looted.

So was Pharaoh Khufu the builder?

Most likely.

singular_me

10th May 2014, 05:30 AM

regardless of what happens next with the two brave truth seekers, I consider the statement of the Professor of ancient Egyptian civilisation at Cairo University Ahmed Said as rock-solid evidence that mainstream academia is behind just another mega historical fraud.

this surprising new twist is obviously ending this thread's purpose and goal.

Neuro

10th May 2014, 05:44 AM

Neuro

10th May 2014, 05:55 AM

aeondaze

10th May 2014, 06:17 AM

Nothing is rock solid, as scientists we undertand the meaning of this. You however, grossly misinterpret that as proof its all a lie.

Ahmed Said is a so called 'mainstream archaeologist' with tenure at the University of Cairo, and you wholeheartedly endorse his profesional opinion, why?

This is proof that it has NOTHING to do with your suspicions of these so called 'mainstream archaeologist', it has to do with whether the data fits your foolish premise.

You can scream and shout all you like about this fictitious cartel, but in essence it has nothing to do with this argument, your support for Prof. Ahmed Said is proof of this.

Just so we can be clear, Prof. Ahmed Said has never said that the great pyramid was built in 10,500 BC, and he has never disputed the building date of these pyramids, so why does his support for a later date for the inscription mean the pyramids weren't built in the third millenium BC?

singular_me

10th May 2014, 06:34 AM

another puzzling find for the so-called experts. This thread makes me want to rewrite my unsold 8yo screenplay about Hatshepsut, the female pharaoh.

EGYPT UNEARTHED: What They Discovered May Hold the Key To Unlocking Some of the Biggest Mysteries Ever!
(beforeitsnews)

.... The only doubts being presented are by those who, for whatever reason, do not want you to know it existed, and by those who have bought into the deception.

PART ONE—EGYPT’S ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY
In the northern region of the stone quarries of ancient Egypt in Aswan is an unfinished obelisk, so far it is the largest obelisk ever discovered. In fact, archaeologists believe that the female pharaoh known as Hatshepsut sanctioned its construction. Though modern engineers speculate whether or not the Dynastic Egyptians could have constructed such a structure.

“It is nearly one third larger than any ancient Egyptian obelisk ever erected. If finished it would have measured around 42 m (approximately 137 feet) and would have weighed nearly 1,200 tons. Aside from the problem of shaping it, how were they presuming to lift it out of the quarry?”

Brien Foerester states that some academics believe the obelisk was shaped with diorite stones (such as those seen in the above photo). However, Brien does note that diorite has a hardness, out of 10 on the Mohs scale (diamond being 10) of 6 to 7, which is basically the same hardness as the granite. As a result, this technique would would have been extremely unproductive. Shown in the photo above is the inside of a pit of a much smaller unfinshed obelisk. Seen clearly are the marks left by the mysterious tools that were used to form it. So what kind of tools could possibly have been used?

“Diorite balls would be very ineffective at trying to achieve this, as they would tend to wear almost as fast as the granite surface.” Foerester added.

So the question remains, just how was it done?

Egypt’s Obelisks: Part of An Ancient Energy System?
The answer could be that an earlier, and far more technologically sophisticated culture made them, and the Dynastic Egyptians inherited and claimed them. These obelisks have nothing to do with the ancient egyptian culture, says Brien Foerester.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNaBpg2orio

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now, lets get the public being used to the idea that ancient egypt much more older than the cartel said.

MAY 7, 2014
CAIRO, EGYPT—A 5,600-year-old tomb, built before the rule of Narmer, the founder of the First Dynasty, has been uncovered in the ancient city of Hierakonpolis, the capital of the Kingdom of Upper Egypt. The mummified remains of a young man had been buried with ten ivory combs, tools, blades, arrow heads, and an ivory statue of a bearded man. Egyptologist Renee Friedman, director of the Hierakonpolis Expedition, explained to the AFP that the well-preserved tomb will provide scientists with new information on Predynastic rituals.
http://www.archaeology.org/news/2093-140508-egypt-hierakonpolis-tomb

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More disinfo EXPOSED... OPPS sorry we were wrong... just like apes have evolved into humans, but how does it come that 15% of world population dont have the rhesus monkey?

Intelligence Not Responsible for Neanderthal Demise
LEIDEN, NETHERLANDS—Will Roebroeks of Leiden University and Paola Villa of Boulder’s University of Colorado Museum surveyed the archaeological record for evidence to support the idea that the Neanderthals died out because modern humans were better hunters with better weapons and a broader diet. “The explanations make good stories, but the only problem is that there is no archaeology to back them up,” Roebroeks told The Guardian. Villa adds that it is important to compare Neanderthals to their modern human contemporaries, not their successors. “The evidence for cognitive inferiority is simply not there. What we are saying is that the conventional view of Neanderthals is not true,” she said.
Wednesday, April 30
scroll down
http://www.archaeology.org/news?page=3

aeondaze

10th May 2014, 06:41 AM

Ahmed Said is a so called 'mainstream archaeologist' with tenure at the University of Cairo, and you wholeheartedly endorse his profesional opinion, why?

Still haven't answered the question...remember you keep ridiculing profesional archaeologists, why not Ahmed Said.

singular_me

10th May 2014, 06:47 AM

Aeon, this statement means that mainstream academia is changing its mind about it, simple... deal with it
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Contrary to common belief, archeology is not a rock-solid science. Much of what they understand to have happened in the past shifts and evolves as new - verified - clues are added to the almost infinite assembly of incomplete jigsaw puzzles...........

But Professor of ancient Egyptian civilisation at Cairo University Ahmed Said says there is now plenty of evidence to support the age of the cartouche - and it's not from the reign of Pharoah Khufu himself.

Professor Said says the cartouche contains the king's short name and not the full official version as is used during a Pharoah's reign. It also was written in a cuneiform script, not the long-form of Khufu's time, most likely by a visitor during the Middle Kingdom era - long after the chambers had been looted.

So was Pharaoh Khufu the builder?

Most likely.

Nothing is rock solid, as scientists we undertand the meaning of this. You however, grossly misinterpret that as proof its all a lie.

Ahmed Said is a so called 'mainstream archaeologist' with tenure at the University of Cairo, and you wholeheartedly endorse his profesional opinion, why??[/B]

singular_me

10th May 2014, 06:53 AM

aeondaze

10th May 2014, 06:53 AM

Seen clearly are the marks left by the mysterious tools that were used to form it. So what kind of tools could possibly have been used?

The answer could be that an earlier, and far more technologically sophisticated culture made them, and the Dynastic Egyptians inherited and claimed them.

A 'more technologically sophisticated culture made them' yet they left CLEAR tool marks that can be seen with the naked eye?!?!

You do see how redundant and illogical your conclusions are don't you? Is your IQ that low that you can't even see the stupidity of this non sequitur.

Even we have machines that don't leave 'tool' marks to the naked eye, but these advanced sophisticates do...OMG

Have you even read this thread? they've found non-meteoric iron within the pyramids...and logically one can assume they used it also for tools.

Keep trying, your still at the first stage, maybe if you try hard enough you might get there. Denial is the first stage remember, lol

Besides you still havent answered the question...

Ahmed Said is a so called 'mainstream archaeologist' with tenure at the University of Cairo, and you wholeheartedly endorse his profesional opinion, why?

aeondaze

10th May 2014, 06:57 AM

not close it, removing myself gradually... thats for sure... )

I have another cartel to fight with, that which is polluting/wasting our water and behind its depletion. My column is due by the end of the month and want to meet the deadline.

So I hope some enthusiastics on GSUS will replace me every now and then. And if not, thats fine too.

Wish in one hand, spit in the other, see which fills up first!

Archaeologists like Ahmed Said, whom you support, believe the great pyramid was contructed in the third millenium BC, deal with it...

You still haven't answered the question, why do you belive him and not all the other archaeologists and Egyptologists?

singular_me

10th May 2014, 06:59 AM

I asked you **first** a question, remember?

and I told you **why** already.. read better

A 'more technologically sophisticated culture made them' yet they left CLEAR tool marks that can be seen with the naked eye?!?!

You do see how redundant and illogical your conclusions are don't you? Is your IQ that low that you can't even see the stupidity of this non sequitur.

Even we have machines that don't leave 'tool' marks to the naked eye, but these advanced sophisticates do...OMG

Have you even read this thread? they've found non-meteoric iron within the pyramids...and logically one can assume they used it also for tools.

Keep trying, your still at the first stage, maybe if you try hard enough you might get there. Denial is the first stage remember, lol

Besides you still havent answered the question...

aeondaze

10th May 2014, 07:04 AM

I asked you **first** a question, remember?

and I told you **why** already.. read better

No you didn't. Please explain and be specific. Dont use your useless NWO double speak, state your reason clearly and succinctly.

why do you belive Ahmed Said and not all the other archaeologists and Egyptologists?

Secondly, I have a hard time digesting your illogical fallacies let alone discerning questions that might be contained within them.

singular_me

10th May 2014, 08:15 AM

why? because he is a MAJOR big shot in the field, hence will follow orders from the History Cartel. Not to mention that egyptologists from egypt are even more aware of the hoax than any other ones.

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what do you make of this below...? How can you trust them so innocently? 100+ years of lies going down the toilet.

Intelligence Not Responsible for Neanderthal Demise
LEIDEN, NETHERLANDS—Will Roebroeks of Leiden University and Paola Villa of Boulder’s University of Colorado Museum surveyed the archaeological record for evidence to support the idea that the Neanderthals died out because modern humans were better hunters with better weapons and a broader diet. “The explanations make good stories, but the only problem is that there is no archaeology to back them up,” Roebroeks told The Guardian . Villa adds that it is important to compare Neanderthals to their modern human contemporaries, not their successors. “The evidence for cognitive inferiority is simply not there. What we are saying is that the conventional view of Neanderthals is not true,” she said.
Wednesday, April 30
scroll down
http://www.archaeology.org/news?page=3

why do you belive Ahmed Said and not all the other archaeologists and Egyptologists?

aeondaze

10th May 2014, 08:31 AM

why? because he is a MAJOR big shot in the field, hence will follow orders from the History Cartel. Not to mention that egyptologists from egypt are even more aware of the hoax than any other ones.

Nope, still haven't answered the question, you're talking in NWO doublespeak again. You need to be upfront.

Why do believe him and not the other 'MAJOR big shots'?

Don't change the subject by posting completely off topic.

singular_me

10th May 2014, 09:04 AM

aeondaze

10th May 2014, 09:21 AM

COZ egyptologists from egypt are even more aware of the hoax than any other ones.

Aeon, it is clear that you do not understand me (but I do understand the logic you are following as I used to think like that 20 years ago, so I can put myself in your shoes) ... hence our discussions will continue to evolve in parallel for quite some time, it seems.

Thats ridiculous. No Egytptian archaeologists support your theory, show some proof of this absurd claim.

You refuse to answer the real reason, so I'll say it for you.

THE ONLY REASON YOU SUPPORT PROF. AHMED SAID IS BECAUSE YOU THINK IT SUPPORTS YOUR STUPID THEORY.

I understand you allright, its plain as day

Thats how you gather your 'data' so to speak. You only consider anything that vaugely supports your theory, anything factual that goes against your cherished theory you reject and deride. What a superficial and redundant way to arrive at a conclusion.

You can try and couch it in terms of some special gift or spiritual esoteric mumbo jumbo, but the truth is your theories are built on a false and superficial model that you actively pursue all the while proclaiming that science is wrong and your theories are a paragon of truth.

What rubbish and complete nonsense you peddle. Must be tought pushing bogus NWO/masonic/CIA/MI6 programming.

o)(~

Horn

10th May 2014, 09:56 AM

If cia/zog were behind the vandalization plot that disproves Khufu's seal. The culprits would have received their $85k to produce the documentary for it most easily.

Neuro

10th May 2014, 10:28 AM

If cia/zog were behind the vandalization plot that disproves Khufu's seal. The culprits would have received their $85k to produce the documentary for it most easily.
What on earth are you saying the Khufu seal proves/disproves? And why?

Dogman

10th May 2014, 10:30 AM

6346

Horn = Twilight Zone!

LOL!

With huge grins!

Neuro

10th May 2014, 10:39 AM

Aeon, this statement means that mainstream academia is changing its mind about it, simple... deal with it
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Contrary to common belief, archeology is not a rock-solid science. Much of what they understand to have happened in the past shifts and evolves as new - verified - clues are added to the almost infinite assembly of incomplete jigsaw puzzles...........

But Professor of ancient Egyptian civilisation at Cairo University Ahmed Said says there is now plenty of evidence to support the age of the cartouche - and it's not from the reign of Pharoah Khufu himself.

Professor Said says the cartouche contains the king's short name and not the full official version as is used during a Pharoah's reign. It also was written in a cuneiform script, not the long-form of Khufu's time, most likely by a visitor during the Middle Kingdom era - long after the chambers had been looted.

So was Pharaoh Khufu the builder?

Most likely.
So you are saying that the inscription is younger than the Khufu pyramid. And this proves that the Pyramid is MUCH older? If this is the only evidence that ties the pyramid to Khufu. I would say you have a good point, however it doesn't prove that it is much older. It casts doubt as to whether Khufu was its constructor. It could have been constructed earlier or later...

10,500 BC Pyramids? you would expect to see many pre 2500 BC depictions of the pyramids. Are there a single one?

Horn

10th May 2014, 10:53 AM

What on earth are you saying the Khufu seal proves/disproves? And why?

Khufu seal is the basis for calling the pyramid Khufu's, why the two german "students" are trying to disprove it.

Horn

10th May 2014, 11:02 AM

They state they have other evidence like trade records and planning items, from what I know they are debatable as to which project they could be tied to, or circumstantial.

singular_me

10th May 2014, 11:07 AM

not just yet... but they have began to look in the other direction when saying "most likely", after claiming "100% certain" for about more than 1 century... there is a shift. About time :)

dont expect mainstream academia to change its version overnight... especially when we are talking of ante-diluvian civilizations.

Thats ridiculous. No Egytptian archaeologists support your theory, show some proof of this absurd claim.

singular_me

10th May 2014, 11:47 AM

works either ways: but I think the tinny fragment that was scraped is going to expose the academic deceptive dating. In no way the graffity nor the cartouche are contemporary to Khufu. This is my bet, take it or leave it ... and when this comes out, academia will be framed with a monumental lie.

So you are saying that the inscription is younger than the Khufu pyramid. And this proves that the Pyramid is MUCH older? If this is the only evidence that ties the pyramid to Khufu. I would say you have a good point, however it doesn't prove that it is much older. It casts doubt as to whether Khufu was its constructor. It could have been constructed earlier or later...

10,500 BC Pyramids? you would expect to see many pre 2500 BC depictions of the pyramids. Are there a single one?

Neuro

10th May 2014, 11:58 AM

Khufu seal is the basis for calling the pyramid Khufu's, why the two german "students" are trying to disprove it.
So this seal was found inscribed on the younger Kartouche (Middle Kingdom)? Made perhaps a thousand years past Khufu's rule. I don't see how this disproves Khufu built the pyramid? Damn it I am trying to understand your reasoning, but you are not helping.

Neuro

10th May 2014, 12:03 PM

Dogman

10th May 2014, 12:04 PM

6347

Epic thread!

Carry on!

Horn

10th May 2014, 12:22 PM

So this seal was found inscribed on the younger Kartouche (Middle Kingdom)? Made perhaps a thousand years past Khufu's rule. I don't see how this disproves Khufu built the pyramid? Damn it I am trying to understand your reasoning, but you are not helping.

Khufu's seal is the basis for calling the pyramid Khufu's (per mainstream archaeology), what is so hard to understand?

These guys are stating the seal is not Khufu's and was placed there by zog, or much earlier than adopted by. Either way disproving it, and hence that Khufu built the pyramid.

Yet they are without funding to have it prove tested and published.

Clear enough, or is there need for legalese hieroglyphs and acupuncture?

Horn

10th May 2014, 12:41 PM

Yes, but don't you think Stone Age man walking past these monuments may have been inspired to depict these amazing structures in other places in the millennia between 10,500 BC to 2,500 BC? Like thousands of times in rock surfaces?

Not necessarily so, I see no artistic depictions of transformer stations anywhere currently, being most common of features among indigents.

singular_me

10th May 2014, 12:59 PM

I dont go by "stone age men" when it comes down to the pyramids, any pyramids.

Yes, but don't you think Stone Age man walking past these monuments may have been inspired to depict these amazing structures in other places in the millennia between 10,500 BC to 2,500 BC? Like thousands of times in rock surfaces?

singular_me

10th May 2014, 01:22 PM

fighting the cartel is a tough task...

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Germany questions two archaeologists who stole samples from Great Pyramid
February 12,2014

The two German archaeologists, who stole samples of King Khufu's cartouche from a small compartment above his burial chamber in the great pyramid, were arrested, announced German Ambassador to Egypt Michael Bock.

The German authorities opened a criminal investigation of the case and the stolen samples were also seized, added the ambassador in a press conference held on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, State Minister of Antiquities Mohamed Ibrahim said that the Egyptian Embassy in Berlin commissioned a lawyer to retrieve the samples and hand them over to the ministry.

The results announced by them cast doubt on the construction date of the Great Pyramid and consequently the Pharaoh for which it was built.

They suggested that the pyramid was built in an era preceding Khufu's reign and that the Pyramid was not the burial place for a king but a center of power.

The Antiquities Ministry, in turn, rejected the findings of the German experts.

http://www.memcs.com/content_details.php?id=4149&Germany-questions-two-archaeologists-who-stole-samples-from-Great-Pyramid#.U25511cyDlw

Tourists flock to Bosnian hills but experts mock amateur archaeologist's pyramid claims
Whether ancient man-made structures or natural formations, locals cash in
2006
... Sun, the first and biggest "discovery", is said to be 220 metres (720ft) tall, considerably higher than Egypt's Great Pyramid. Mr Osmanagic found that the four sides of the four pyramids were perfectly aligned with the heavens, facing north, south, east, and west, while the tips of three formed a perfect equilateral triangle. "The first thing I noticed was the perfect geometry," he said.

Mr Osmanagic and his dozens of helpers have conducted satellite photography of the area, thermal inertia analysis reported to reveal faster heat loss than would occur with a hillside, and radar research said to disclose the existence of straight and perpendicular tunnels inside the "pyramids".

The excavations have turned up intriguing finds - ancient, man-made "concrete" blocks of "exceptional quality, better than anything made today", and weighing up to 15 tonnes. Excavations on the "pyramid of the moon" have revealed terraces of sandstone slabs with small channels built in at regular intervals, apparently a primitive drainage system, as well as at least one subterranean chamber with stone-built walls. "Our working hypothesis is that all this is before the end of the last Ice Age," said the adventurer. "We're looking for organic material, wood, charcoal or bones that we can carbon-date. I believe that the world's history is much older than they teach us."...

"Pyramidiots", scoff the experts, who are appalled at the leeway granted to Mr Osmanagic to dig up the countryside. A Bosnian university mining and geology department said the pyramids were natural geological formations. Mark Rose of America's Archaeological Institute denounced the Visoko amateurs as charlatans. Professor Anthony Harding of Exeter University, who is president of the European Association of Archaeologists, has been equally scathing. And prominent Bosnian scholars have written to the government demanding that Mr Osmanagic be stopped, saying he is turning Bosnia into a laughing stock.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/oct/05/travelnews.travel

Neuro

10th May 2014, 01:43 PM

I dont go by "stone age men" when it comes down to the pyramids, any pyramids.
No physical evidence required then? Just your belief?

Neuro

10th May 2014, 01:50 PM

Not necessarily so, I see no artistic depictions of transformer stations anywhere currently, being most common of features among indigents.
No? Do you know anyone who considers transformer stations amazing? And they have been around for how long? 50 years in the part where there may be cave dwellers/primitives?

Neuro

10th May 2014, 01:51 PM

Khufu's seal is the basis for calling the pyramid Khufu's (per mainstream archaeology), what is so hard to understand?

These guys are stating the seal is not Khufu's and was placed there by zog, or much earlier than adopted by. Either way disproving it, and hence that Khufu built the pyramid.

Yet they are without funding to have it prove tested and published.

Clear enough, or is there need for legalese hieroglyphs and acupuncture?
Was the Khufu seal found in the pyramid? When?

Horn

10th May 2014, 02:06 PM

No? Do you know anyone who considers transformer stations amazing? And they have been around for how long? 50 years in the part where there may be cave dwellers/primitives?

If you don't keep a close enough guard on a transformer here in costa rica it will be recycled before artistically depicted.

Neuro's roughly hewn mortar pyramid in Meidum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meidum

http://0.tqn.com/d/ancienthistory/1/0/k/O/3/MeidumPyramid.jpg

Neuro

10th May 2014, 03:16 PM

If you don't keep a close enough guard on a transformer here in costa rica it will be recycled before artistically depicted.

Neuro's roughly hewn mortar pyramid in Meidum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meidum

http://0.tqn.com/d/ancienthistory/1/0/k/O/3/MeidumPyramid.jpg
The thing is those stones are roughly hewn. So are the stones of my stone house. Still the walls are straight, very straight. Mehmet the stone mason, didn't use any powertools, no electricity. Just stone, sand, cement and his work. It took him about 5 months to build the house, though he had his tractor to get the stones from the quarry, two aides, a hammer, a shovel and an iron chisel. And a plum line, 90° corners, do you want me to tell him that I am convinced that he had alien help building my house, that it is impossible he could have built these straight walls with these simple tools? He was complaining though about how difficult it is to get people to help him building stone houses, they complain about how heavy the work is even though he pays double the going rate for a days work, and rather not earning anything...

Horn

10th May 2014, 03:40 PM

do you want me to tell him that I am convinced that he had alien help building my house, that it is impossible he could have built these straight walls with these simple tools?

Ask him if he could do it without the mortar, and if the guarantee would change at all.

singular_me

10th May 2014, 09:34 PM

here we go again... and your faith rests on fake dating and cartouche forgery, if you could see this, you'd be leaning toward the cataclysm theory...

No physical evidence required then? Just your belief?

singular_me

10th May 2014, 09:52 PM

Bauval is a quite famous ancient egypt researcher with a rogue edge as he is best known for his Orion Correlation Theory.... supports the cartel's dating of the pyramids (cowardice, being cast as an conspiracy nut would damage his income, I assume), but then wrote this:

THE BACKGROUND
... For example, it is reported by Abu Szalt, a medieval Arab chronicler from Spain, that when the Caliph Ma'amoun entered the Great Pyramid for the first time in the 9th century and made his way to sarcophagus in the King's Chamber, '…the lid was forced opened, but nothing was discovered excepting some bones completely decayed by time.'[2]. In 1818, when Belzoni entered the Second Pyramid (Khafre), he found some bones inside the sarcophagus which apparently turned out to be from a bull [3]. Also, during the Howard-Vyse expedition in 1836-7, relics were found within the Third Pyramid (Menkaure) consisting of human bones and parts of the lid of a wooden coffin. But carbon 14 dating revealed that the bones were from the early Christian era and the lid was determined to be from the Saite Period

he Howard-Vyse expedition also found another strange artefact while exploring the outside faces of the Khufu pyramid with explosives: a plate of iron measuring 26 x 8.8 cm. and about 4 mm. thick. Although iron cannot be carbon dated, the story of its discovery and testing is worth being reminded of here in view of the possible huge implications it might bear on the Pyramid Age. The discovery of the iron plate was not made by Howard-Vyse himself but by an engineer called J.R. Hill, who was under Howard-Vyse's employment. Hill found the plate embedded in a joint on the south face of the monument near or within the entrance of the so-called air-channel. Hill was adamant that the iron plate must be contemporaneous with the construction of the pyramid since he had to blast away two outer tiers of blocks in order to reach it and extract it from a masonry joint near or within the mouth of the southern shaft. The iron plate was eventually donated to the British Museum along with an affidavit from Hill and also from others who had been present during the find. In 1926 Dr. A. Lucas examined the iron plate and, although at first agreed with Mr. Hill that it was contemporaneous with the pyramid, Lucas later changed his mind when he realized that the iron was not from meteoritic origin. It is generally believed that iron was unknown in the Pyramid Age and that the only possible source of iron was from iron-meteorites, which are composed of about 95 iron and 5 nickel [5]. In 1989, however, two metallurgists, Dr. El Gayar of the faculty of Petroleum and Mineral in Suez, Egypt, and Dr. M.P. Jones of Imperial College London, asked the British Museum for a small sample of the iron plate so that they could conduct a full scientific examination. After El Gayar and Jones conducted a series of chemical and microscopic tests on the iron plate, these scientists concluded that: 'the plate was incorporated within the pyramid at the time that structure was built' i.e. it was contemporaneous with the pyramid [6]. The chemical and microscopic analyses of the iron plate also revealed very small traces of gold, suggesting that the plate had perhaps been originally gilded. The actual size of the plate was estimated to have been 26 x 26 cm., which is roughly the same size of the shaft's mouth, which in turn suggests that the iron plate possibly had served as some sort of cover or gate to the shaft's mouth. El Gayar and Jones also pointed out that the plate's dimension of 26 x 26 cm. implied it was sized in royal cubit, the measure used by the pyramid builders (half a royal cubit of 52.37 cm. gives 26.18 cm.). As we have said, the plate could not be Carbon 14 dated since it contained no organic material. In spite of the findings of Gayer and Jones, the British Museum still assumes that the iron plate was probably a piece broken off a spade or shovel used by Arabs in medieval times.

"The fumigation was carried out by the use of Hydrogen Cyanide pumped under pressure to ensure access into all the fissures etc. Extraction units were installed… During the installation of these units, which entailed the insertion of supports into some of the gaps between the pyramid blocks, a sliver of wood and a piece of bone which has been identified as part of a finger was extracted from between two of the blocks. The wood immediately broke into four pieces of which my father retained three. I enclose the middle sized piece and the bone with this letter. My father maintained that these were found in a position which could only have been concordant with the building of the pyramid. His theory was that the bone was part of a worker's hand that had been trapped when the block was put in place…"

THE COLE RELICS
.... The first thing I did was to visit Michael Cole in order to see the other pieces of wood. Michael Cole then assigned to me the 'finger' and one piece of wood he had mailed me earlier, with the understanding that I would attempt to have them Carbon 14 tested. A few days later I took the relics to the British Museum and showed them to Dr. Vivian Davies to see if he could arrange for a Carbon 14 testing. Dr. Davies suggested I take them to Dr. Hawass in Egypt. In late October 1998 I went to Cairo to show the relics to Dr. Hawass. As I was also making a television documentary, this episode was actually recorded on camera [16]. Dr. Hawass expressed doubts on the provenance of the relics and also about the results of Carbon 14 dating. He thus saw no reason to test the relics. I therefore took the relics back to England. It was then that a colleague in Madrid, the author Javier Sierra, offered to take them to a scientist he knew, Dr. Fernan Alonso of the Geochronology Laboratory. Dr. Alonso kindly offered to help. Through him, and with the funding coming from Mr. Sierra's company, the Cole Relics were eventually dispatched to the National Science Foundation Laboratory in Arizona, USA, for Carbon 14 testing [17]. It took over a year to have the results. First came those for the piece of wood (labelled A-38549), which gave a date of 2215 + - 55 years BP which was calibrated to 395 BC to 157 BC with 95% probability.

more oddities
http://www.robertbauval.co.uk/articles/articles/DE49.html

Horn

10th May 2014, 10:42 PM

I read somewhere that Bauval was attempting to rewrite it to look like the jews built the pyramids, was accused of stealing the original cartouche.

Published on Jan 11, 2014
Robert Bauval was born in Alexandria, Egypt to Belgian parents. He is a researcher of ancient Egypt and a bestselling author, probably best known for his Orion Correlation Theory. His research has been featured in documentaries throughout the world. He returns to discuss lies and accusations made about him by Zahi Hawass, which were published in the newspaper 'Al Masry Al Yom'. Dr Zahi Hawass, ex Minister of State for Antiquities, revealed that "the robberies of King Khufu's cartouche was done on behalf of, Robert Bauval, an Egyptian Jew working in Belgium, who has been trying by every means to prove that the pyramid is a Jewish and not Egyptian product." Hawass claimed that Robert collaborated and paid two German amateur archaeologists to steal the cartouche of the pharaoh Khufu inside a relief chamber of the Great Pyramid. He added: "I would like to make it clear that the foreign vandals are led by an Egyptian Jew living in Belgium, who had previously sent more than one person, who were all forbidden completely, and with whom I have had many battles, and he wrote a book before trying to prove that the pyramid was not Egyptian." Hawass confirmed that "it was not permitted to enter the pyramid except through tourist companies in order to make control, which is the opposite of what is happing now; which allowed the samples to be smuggled." Robert, who is of the Christian Catholic faith, will address these false accusations.

http://www.robertbauval.co.uk/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bmfmy8Uf28

States in there that he was not part of a Zionist Nazi conspiracy, and had to prove he was not a jew by dropping his drawers and showing his genitals.

singular_me

11th May 2014, 12:16 AM

if true, this is crazy, but why not, really.. ancient egypt has something that obviously many want to claim for themselves. Its obvious. Thnx for your find.

I read somewhere that Bauval was attempting to rewrite it to look like the jews built the pyramids, was accused of stealing the original cartouche.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bmfmy8Uf28

States in there that he was not part of a Zionist Nazi conspiracy, and had to prove he was not a jew by dropping his drawers and showing his genitals.

Neuro

11th May 2014, 01:12 AM

here we go again... and your faith rests on fake dating and cartouche forgery, if you could see this, you'd be leaning toward the cataclysm theory...
See what? Sorry, no faith on my part, present evidence that support your theory. Cave inscription of pyramids done by Stone Age man... Is the cartouche a forgery? I thought it was a 1500 BC tourist souvenir. I'd give you this, possibly the great Pyramid is not Khufu's. It could be from an earlier or later time... But there is no support for your claims of a 10,500 BC or older pyramids...

singular_me

11th May 2014, 06:53 AM

aeondaze

11th May 2014, 07:14 AM

you process my words much too literally... if the cartouche date is 1500BC, it is a forgery in the sense that mainstream academia would want us to believe that it is older.

What? So we aren't supposed to take what you say at face value, that is preposterous!

There is no proof that it dates to this period regardless of what you may think. Should it turn out that its accepted to date from 1500 BC then it will not matter one iota to the bigger picture of the origin of the pyramids. It certainly doesn't make it a forgery, that is a deliberate and misleading use of words on you behalf.

yes we definitely are back to square one since you choose to refers to conventional history/archeology whose lies have serious track records. I am talking of mainstream history as a whole, not just ancient egypt.

We always were at square one, we never left that point, It just took you this long to realise it. Here is a quote from the first page...

Where did you get this FALSE information.

The oldest pyramids are dated to 2600 BC, not 10,000 years old.

Show where were the pyramids dated to this - It isn't a fact if you can't show any proof, its just, well BULLSHIT.

You've failed dismaly to provide any proof to back up your intial premise!

I prefer to listen to independent researchers trying to make sense of academic's concealment, uncertainties and/or lies. I look for contradictions in the mainstream explanations as hard evidence, which besides the pyramids themselves, either dont exist or already are in the hands of those hiding the truth about Humanity's Origins.

No, you prefer to listen to people that support your cherished theory, it has nothing to do with the repuatation of archaeologists, this is an excuse you use that hides your fickle and illogical behaviour, remember we've already established this, lol

I think your label of Stone Age Men is showing which side of the fence you stand on... as I called these pyramids **ancient advanced technology**. We can only stare at each other as your premise is very different than mine.

No there is no staring to be had at all.

You face a solid and imovable object in the veracity and facts behind our modern understanding of the ancient Egyptian world, we however face nothing more than a little hot air. BIG DIFFERENCE.

singular_me

11th May 2014, 07:40 AM

aeondaze

11th May 2014, 07:58 AM

singular_me

11th May 2014, 08:15 AM

You are absolutely right, Aeon... Plato is absolute crap.

keep watching TV :) keep watching disinfo... the same disinfo that has been going on since ever...

again, that you dont not want to look into all this, fine by me, but it will NOT make it disappear - ever, never!

because millions of people think like you, we live in a prison planet and are on the brink of WW3, great! And this was achieved one step at the time by corrupting history from A to Z... yet you contend that millions of people 'believing' doesn't make it FACT... LOL

concealment will always bring about evil... and millions of people know this. I am siding with them... this is my choice. And my choice is to seriously doubt anything the academia wants me to believe about ancient egypt, as there are awful track records that History has been falsified to play right in the hands of a group of elites.

aeondaze

11th May 2014, 08:18 AM

edit: the tragedy is that this Knowledge is subverted by the powers that be, has always been... thats why we have elites handing human matters and whatever academia by deception.

Here we go again, what knowledge? Come on, what SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE?

You haven't presented ANYTHING monumental or profound that isn't already contained wthin pedestrian, conventional mathematic or scientific disciplines.

You've discovered a BIG FAT ZERO. You might've used the word 'sacred' and 'esoteric' about a bazillion times, but you've presented no evidence whatsoever of anything new or profound or even contentious.

You just added a few emotive labels to run of the mill concepts and then began SHOUTING to the world about some great knowledge.

At the end of the day it's all just a great BIG Fraud!

aeondaze

11th May 2014, 08:22 AM

You are absolutely right, Aeon... Plato is absolute crap.

keep watching TV :) keep watching disinfo... the same disinfo that has been going on since ever...

again, that you dont not want to look into all this, fine by me, but it will NOT make it disappear - ever, never!

because millions of people think like you, we live in a prison planet and are on the brink of WW3, great!

WTF? Do you even read other peoples posts or are you just some badly programed bot that restates the same tired old assertions which are flagrant falsehoods.

You don't know anything about me, lol

Just because I've held the burning flame of truth to your feet, you need to accuse me of starting WWIII, WTF? :|~

Its look like you're BOOZING again. Life not working out, huh?

:(??

Horn

11th May 2014, 09:38 AM

aeon, you really arent worth my time anymore....

there are millions of people who think like me.... the views I side with have been around SINCE ever... even ENDORSED BY PLATO... born along with the pyramids themselves and revived by the ancient egyptians.

Epicurus letter to Menoceus, clip proving the FACT.

Epicurus to Menoeceus, greetings:

Let no one be slow to seek wisdom when he is young nor weary in the search of it when he has grown old. For no age is too early or too late for the health of the soul. And to say that the season for studying philosophy has not yet come, or that it is past and gone, is like saying that the season for happiness is not yet or that it is now no more. Therefore, both old and young alike ought to seek wisdom, the former in order that, as age comes over him, he may be young in good things because of the grace of what has been, and the latter in order that, while he is young, he may at the same time be old, because he has no fear of the things which are to come. So we must exercise ourselves in the things which bring happiness, since, if that be present, we have everything, and, if that be absent, all our actions are directed towards attaining it.

Those things which without ceasing I have declared unto you, do them, and exercise yourself in them, holding them to be the elements of right life.

First believe that God is a living being immortal and blessed, according to the notion of a god indicated by the common sense of mankind;

and so believing, you shall not affirm of him anything that is foreign to his immortality or that is repugnant to his blessedness. Believe about him whatever may uphold both his blessedness and his immortality. For there are gods, and the knowledge of them is manifest; but they are not such as the multitude believe, seeing that men do not steadfastly maintain the notions they form respecting them. Not the man who denies the gods worshipped by the multitude, but he who affirms of the gods what the multitude believes about them is truly impious. For the utterances of the multitude about the gods are not true preconceptions but false assumptions; hence it is that the greatest evils happen to the wicked and the greatest blessings happen to the good from the hand of the gods, seeing that they are always favorable to their own good qualities and take pleasure in men like themselves, but reject as alien whatever is not of their kind.

http://rocket.csusb.edu/~tmoody/menoeceus

singular_me

11th May 2014, 12:58 PM

lets take a closer look... so considering all the falsehoods mentioned below which are absolute facts, it only takes one step to conceive that "History/Archeology of Planet Earth is suppressed"...

Aeon, I dont know which books/TV channels and/or internet docs you watch/people you hang out with, but your innocence is beyond anything I can fathom. here is my advice, take a red pill and fast :(

(search GSUS for more details)
Bioengineering destroying/poisoning the food supply
geoengineering altering the climate
multiculturism to spread racism
feminism to destroy family values and relationships
Vaccines as neurotoxic and causing learning disorders in children
Media monopoly reporting disinfo 24/7
fraudulent central banking
Military complex racket
Big Pharma Inc

all happening because academia endorses falsehoods... but the archeology cartel is surely telling us the truth, I bet ya!

Neuro

11th May 2014, 01:19 PM

you process my words much too literally... if the cartouche date is 1500BC, it is a forgery in the sense that mainstream academia would want us to believe that it is older.

yes we definitely are back to square one since you choose to refers to conventional history/archeology whose lies have serious track records. I am talking of mainstream history as a whole, not just ancient egypt.

I prefer to listen to independent researchers trying to make sense of academic's concealment, uncertainties and/or lies. I look for contradictions in the mainstream explanations as hard evidence, which besides the pyramids themselves, either dont exist or already are in the hands of those hiding the truth about Humanity's Origins.

I think your label of Stone Age Men is showing which side of the fence you stand on... as I called these pyramids **ancient advanced technology**.

No fruitful conversation here, seems like we only can stare at each other as your premise is very different than mine.
I know what you called them, and I never claimed that Stone Age man built them, nor am I supposing you or anyone else claimed so, but don't you think it would be likely that Stone Age man looked and marveled at the pyramids, and decided to depict them at a cave wall or a rock face somewhere? During the millennia they should have seen them millions of times... Why are there no Stone Age depiction of the pyramids?

What you refer to as lies in mainstream academia, is in fact best guesses based on available evidence and the interpretation of that evidence. On the other hand what you claim as truth, you provide no evidence whatsoever for. NONE! An honest rational being shouldn't really have any issues re what version to put their trust in. However looking at history 4-5000 years old nothing is perfect re records etc, there certainly is room for re-interpretation if new evidence comes up. It is ridiculous to claim an archeologist or an Egyptologist is a liar, based on your wild biased speculation without any relation to facts. In fact it is making you a liar apart from an ignoramus...

Horn

11th May 2014, 02:14 PM

Evidence is the pyramid themselves, as far as men in the vicinity recreating their image on a cave wall, anyone could see the futility in that being called artistry.

Like stating 3 buildings fall from 2 airliners, or a teenage kid loaded down with 3 different weapons has a higher kill rate then a navy seal with his single favorite weapon.

singular_me

12th May 2014, 07:06 AM

Neuro

12th May 2014, 11:57 AM

No, you are not closing this thread. This is censorship on your part when a discussion doesnt go your way, and this is not the first time you do it either, not anymore...

First of all, you are totally wrong! Obviously you havent read any of the posts I have posted on the above subjects you mentioned! So you are misrepresenting me, either because you are ignorant and you don't care, or it is intentional misrepresentation. The difference between the pyramid issue, and your above selected subjects is the EVIDENCE, you have presented no evidence to support your point here.

You are not going to censor ongoing discussions, if it turns to troublesome for you, ignore it. This thread has more than 700 posts, the majority of them not yours, show respect to those who have contributed here, and stop making up lies about people having a different opinion than yours!

Neuro

12th May 2014, 01:45 PM

Ask him if he could do it without the mortar, and if the guarantee would change at all.
He can, the traditional style of the area is mortarless, but they use earth instead and different stones, however the house needs continued maintenance then, put new earth in every ten years or so. So yes the guarantee would change obviously. However the pyramids are supposedly 7-10% mortar...

singular_me

12th May 2014, 03:05 PM

there is no censorship on my part, everything has been said from my end and YOURS, it has been pages we are talking in circle... so what censorship?

You are the one who is frustrated with a discussion that doesnt go your way by overriding my decision to close this thread.

and I wont change my mind... you only are interested in mainstream evidence... as a matter of fact you finally conceded that the cartouche might be more recent AFTER reading the article with a big shot egyptologist...

Beside the pyramids themselves, there is NO conventional data reporting on the pyramids being much older. All the rogue archeologists and researcher FOCUS on the contradictions the history cartel delivers and go by the Mystery Schools masters such as Plato, sorry, the cartel is lying up to its teeth... nothing new here.

So if you can't accept their investigations, I do not have absolutely nothing left to add. Deal with it.

There must be as many postings of mine as from you and aeon otherwise I would not have continued posting. Why is there a "close thread" button at all? I am the one who started this thread and I am free to close it whenever I want. I did this maybe twice (today not included) since I have registered as a member... or if I have bad memories, post the links of all the threads I closed - providing that I can trust that you are not going to close them yourself. I even cant trust you anymore as a mod.

You just bypassed the ethics of free will in a way that is pretty astonishing. Over the last 3 years, I have been on and off GSUS (sometimes for long periods of time) and two months ago, I noticed that the viewership had seriously gone down. What has happened while I was gone? I dont know but this lack of ethics of yours will be remembered by many GSUS members.

So you know guys, the right to close a thread when discussions **ridiculously** evolve in circle or become too much off topic, or begins to be filled with insults, etc... is no longer ours but the mods.

why should I trust a specific cartel MORE than the so many others destroying the planet and genociding its inhabitants? Obviously that is your choice.

(search GSUS for more details)
Nuclear energy fallacies, oceans are dying since fukushima, air radioactive
Bioengineering destroying/poisoning the food supply
geoengineering altering the climate
multiculturism to spread racism
feminism to destroy family values and relationships
Vaccines as neurotoxic and causing learning disorders in children
Media monopoly reporting disinfo and distractions 24/7
fraudulent central banking
Military complex racket
Big Pharma Inc
Fracking and the pollution of world aquifers
chemtrails, spread chemical or biological agents to alter our DNA or viruses
Archeology/History falsification/concealment throughout the ages
Food waste amounting to almost 50% of world food production

Have a little chat with yourself now...

Neuro

12th May 2014, 03:42 PM

there is no censorship on my part, everything has been said from my end and YOURS, it has been pages we are talking in circle... so what censorship?

You are the one who is frustrated with a discussion doesnt go your way by overriding my decision to close this thread.

and I wont change my mind... you only are interested in mainstream evidence... as a matter of fact you finally conceded that the cartouche might be more recent AFTER reading the article with a big shot egyptologist...

Beside the pyramids themselves, there is NO conventional data reporting on the pyramids being much older. All the rogue archeologists and researcher FOCUS on the contradictions the history cartel delivers and Mystery Schools masters such as Plato, sorry, the cartel is lying up to its teeth... nothing new here.

So if you can't accept their investigations, I do not have absolutely nothing left to add. Deal with it.

There must be as many postings of mine as from you and aeon otherwise I would not have continued posting. Why is there a "close thread" button at all? I am the one who started this thread and I am free to close it whenever I want. I did this maybe twice (today not included) since I have registered as a member. Why is your decision to close threads superior than mine?

You just bypassed the ethics of free will in a way that is pretty astonishing. Over the last 3 years, I have been on and off GSUS (sometimes for long periods of time) and two months ago, I noticed that the viewership had seriously gone down. What has happened while I was gone? I dont know but this lack of ethics of yours will be remembered by many GSUS members.

So you know guys, the right to close a thread when discussions **ridiculously** evolve in circle or become too much off topic, or begins to be filled with insults, etc... is no longer ours.

why should I trust a cartel along witjh all others that are destroying the planet and genociding its inhabitants?

(search GSUS for more details)
Nuclear energy fallacies, oceans are dying since fukushima, air radioactive
Bioengineering destroying/poisoning the food supply
geoengineering altering the climate
multiculturism to spread racism
feminism to destroy family values and relationships
Vaccines as neurotoxic and causing learning disorders in children
Media monopoly reporting disinfo and distractions 24/7
fraudulent central banking
Military complex racket
Big Pharma Inc
Fracking and the pollution of world aquifers
chemtrails, spread chemical or biological agents to alter our DNA or viruses
Archeology/History falsification/concealment throughout the ages
Food waste amounting to almost 50% of world food production

Have a little chat with yourself now...
I have never closed a thread, you do it whenever you feel a thread doesn't go your way. If you lose interest in debating something, just stop debating it. I have already brought up the question to Madfranks and JQP, because I think it is important principally. I don't think an opening poster should have the right to stop a thread after it has been going for 700 posts, on the mere notion that the opening poster doesn't agree with the direction he/she intended for it to take. At such a point your right to the thread shouldn't be absolute, In fact it belongs to everyone.

I have proposed that an OP should have the right, perhaps, to close a thread, during the first day of discussion, to rectify a mistake, such as posting an identical thread to someone else, or a thread that was posted at the heat of the moment, posting under influence or something like that. However closing a thread after a few weeks of intense discussion, because you don't like it, is a grave infringement on the rights of every other contributor to the thread...

Horn

12th May 2014, 03:49 PM

I don't think an opening poster should have the right to stop a thread

Are we now to enforcing rules and regulations that have yet to be written and enacted upon
(and only judged by the elite consort)? along with the brass balled approach to the existing?

If so was premature reopening grounds for self disciplining?

singular_me

12th May 2014, 03:49 PM

please mention all the threads I have closed, but know that I can't trust you on that, you have lost my trust... if you can come up with 2 or 3 in 5 years, that is much...

the last thread I close it was because someone started a duplicate, same headline and OP article... I generally do this because I think it is useless to have two threads running about the same topic and when I close the thread, I mention the link of the duplicate one... what is wrong with that?

there is NO censorphip on my end as it is clear that we discuss in circle

so please mention all the threads I have closed that do NOT have anything to do with "duplicate topics"

I have never closed a thread, you do it whenever you feel a thread doesn't go your way. If you lose interest in debating something, just stop debating it. I have already brought up the question to Madfranks and JQP, because I think it is important principally. I don't think an opening poster should have the right to stop a thread after it has been going for 700 posts, on the mere notion that the opening poster doesn't agree with the direction he/she intended for it to take. At such a point your right to the thread shouldn't be absolute, In fact it belongs to everyone.

I have proposed that an OP should have the right, perhaps, to close a thread, during the first day of discussion, to rectify a mistake, such as posting an identical thread to someone else, or a thread that was posted at the heat of the moment, posting under influence or something like that. However closing a thread after a few weeks of intense discussion, because you don't like it, is a grave infringement on the rights of every other contributor to the thread...

Horn

12th May 2014, 04:06 PM

OP closing a thread is divine and unalienable right granted by the software Gods.

It is my opinion that they should NOT be infringed upon...

singular_me

12th May 2014, 04:20 PM

see bold... you are the one who wont accept other's points of view... I stated couuuuntless of times that the mainstream History is NOT my reference and because of this you call me a liar and ignoramus...

I did my best, provided articles and personal input couuuuntless of times... yet you keep asking me for the same unprovable facts, KNOWING that I cannot come up with what you ask for. And I **honestly** told you manyyyy times that I cannot satisfy you in the mainstream way... nevertheless YOU pushed further like a stubborn kid until the breaking point, I call this provocation or having an agenda.

Infringe on your right to post? You have posted couuunless of times that you do not agree with my take on it... the absolute dead end translated into closing this thread.

Plato a liar? Tradition has it that this phrase was engraved at the door of Plato's Academy... "Let no one ignorant of geometry enter".

every day I witness that this quote is the absolute truth. Me a liar because I agree with Plato... LOL... no wonder the world is getting worse by the day.

Anybody understanding what Plato meant, will also understand why the ancient egytians were not able to built those pyramids but a much more advanced civilization.

edit: I dont mind people disagreeing with me at all, really. But keeping asking the same questions (when I respond honestly that I do not have those facts but point to the so many fallacies to explain why I cannot trust mainstream historians) is really taking me for an ride...

PS: hey Aeon, let it be known that I wont answer your posts in this thread any longer...

It is ridiculous to claim an archeologist or an Egyptologist is a liar, based on your wild biased speculation without any relation to facts. In fact it is making you a liar apart from an ignoramus...

Neuro

12th May 2014, 05:07 PM

see bold... you are the one who wont accept other's points of view... I stated couuuuntless of times that the mainstream History is NOT my reference and because of this you call me a liar and ignoramus...

I did my best, provided articles and personal input couuuuntless of times... yet you keep asking me for the unprovable facts, KNOWING that I cannot come up with what you ask for. And I **honestly** told you manyyyy times that I cannot satisfy you in the mainstream way... nevertheless YOU pushed further like a stubborn kid until the breaking point, hence I closed the thread. I call this provocation.

Infringe on your right to post? You have posted couuunless of times that you do not agree with my take on it... the absolute dead end translated into closing this thread.

Me a liar... LOL... no wonder the world is getting worse by the day.

Plato a liar?

Tradition has it that this phrase (1) was engraved at the door of Plato's Academy... "Let no one ignorant of geometry enter".
Do you understand geometry? Unprovable facts? You are funny! You didn't infringe on my right to post in this thread. I (together with Madfranks and JQP) have this right regardless if you close it. You infringed on every other members right to post in this thread.

Anyway, you have now admitted you have no evidence for your assertions. I am open to the possibility Khufu wasn't the builder of the great Pyramid, but there are plenty of big ancient constructions all over Egypt, that fits into the general chronology of ancient Egypt. I am fairly convinced that the Pyramids in Giza was built during the third dynasty. However I wouldn't like to close the book entirely on it. If some new evidence surfaces, post it here, and you can rub my face in it. I will humbly admit I was wrong.

singular_me

12th May 2014, 05:13 PM

no you wont because you have made clear that Plato's teaching is NOT your cup of tea, dismissed them completely several times already

the world is disharmonious because math are... math have been re-designed to be out of balance on purpose. Hence, mainstream archeology has NO clue about the math involved in the pyramids and what they imply, otherwise they would dig deeper AND seriously question the academia.

end of talking in circles

when you see mainstream biology supporting GMOs so blindly, it is obvious that modern math are out of whack. Researchers just go along with it because, just like historians and keneysians, have no clue that they are taught fraudulent math.

aeondaze

12th May 2014, 05:28 PM

this is for you and Aeondaze... evidence lies in the frauds that have been spread since ever

if you cant see all the scams and hoaxes of our world, no wonder you talk the way you do... begin to start digging the real issues and the lies of the entire academia (see list below)

(search GSUS for more details)
Nuclear energy fallacies, oceans are dying since fukushima, air radioactive
Bioengineering destroying/poisoning the food supply
geoengineering altering the climate
multiculturism to spread racism
feminism to destroy family values and relationships
Vaccines as neurotoxic and causing learning disorders in children
Media monopoly reporting disinfo and distractions 24/7
fraudulent central banking
Military complex racket
Big Pharma Inc
Fracking and the pollution of world aquifers
chemtrails, spread chemical or biological agents to alter our DNA or viruses
Archeology/History falsification/concealment throughout the ages
Food waste amounting to almost 50% of world food production

Until you start pointing to data about root causes of humanity' sufferings and conspiracies behind, you and I have no business. If they can poison us with chemtrails, GMOs, Neurotoxic vaccines, Bioengineering etc.... WHY on earth should I trust the biology cartel that is teaming up with the archeology cartel to hide the origins of mankind?

L@@@K at my list above: I can you spell *i-n-t-e-n-t-e-d...g-r-a-n-d... s-c-a-l-e.. g-e-n-o-c-i-d-e* !?!? can you spell that, can't you... or can you ???

You are the one defending fabled knowledge and in complete denial

I am closing this thread now

I think this is a BIG win for free speech. Your intention was to not allow me a RIGHT OF REPLY to your bloviated and nonsensical post.

I've NEVER said I didn't think that there were harmful industries that the elite cartel foist on the general public. I've deliberately avoided answering these claims of yours because I don't think they have ANY relevance to the OP or general thread topic. Its an assertion of yours that is a deliberate confaltion of the issue to give it some credibility when any REAL proof is woefully lacking.

The truth is that archaeologists from all around the world and over MANY different periods from the late eighteenth century until now, which is OVER 200 years have found a concrete pattern to their finds. What they find is that beyond about 4000 BC there are few traces of ANY smelted metals, beyond about 6000 BC there are none, hence why the period following is know as the Bronze Age (chalcolithic). Before this was the neolithic/meseolithic (depending on what part of the world you are in) and before that the paleolithic.

What supports this theory? A VAST array of stone implements of varying degrees of technological finesse that date from just before the chalcolithic to back before homo sapien sapien evolved. This pattern is unwavering, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE to refute this theory at all. There will always be some anomalous finds that due to one reason or another, mineralogical composition or disturbance in the strata, reasons we cannot fully understand, refuse to be chatagorized in the traditional sense. But they are exactly as described, they are anomalous, they fall OUTSIDE the accepted norms that 99.9% of finds neatly fit in, a pattern that archaeologists have ascertained to be the trajectory our ancestors took in their pursuit of ever greater technology.

This is not some mysterious, hidden process, the fuits of their work are available for everyone to see all across the world in museums, libraries and collections. Its such a pity that you can't accept this because you're not only denying your human ancestors the fuits of their labor, but your denying yourslef an opportunity to understand the world and grow in a healthy fashion. Ridiculing and deriding our past history is a curse, a curse where you'll forever be chasing your tail unable to discern fact from fiction, living an unenlightened existance forever a hostage to the dark and morose recesses of your mind of which attempting to close this thread is a prime example!

The world is there for you to see, you just need to choose to look with fresh eyes that aren't tainted with such a negative and destructive bias. Not only do you deny yourself all this with your absurd theories, but you allow the elite cartel another victory by wilfully destryoing your own past.

Its such a shame :(??

singular_me

12th May 2014, 05:54 PM

Neuro

12th May 2014, 05:58 PM

no you wont because you have made clear that Plato's teachings is NOT your cup of tea, dismissed them completely several times already

the world is disharmonious because math are... math have been re-designed to be out of balance on purpose. Hence, mainstream archeologists has NO clue about the math involved in the pyramids and what they imply, otherwise they would dig deeper AND seriously question the academia.

end of talking in circles

when you see mainstream biology supporting GMOs so blindly, it is obvious that modern math are out of whack. Researchers just go along with it because, just like historians and keneysians, have no clue that they are taught fraudulent math.
Mainstream biology doesn't support GMO's. You are just inventing claims here. When and how did I dismiss Plato's ideas? And what ideas of Plato? You have showed many times in this thread you don't even have a basic understanding of math. Claiming it would be impossible for the Egyptian economy to ship 8000 tons of granite from Aswan to Giza.

singular_me

12th May 2014, 06:05 PM

I am going to proceed the way you do, please provide the evidence.... EU is not USA... china is a major GMOs world food provider, I am afraid.

if something is being rejected in 1/3 of the world but endorsed in 2/3 world, how does it make sense? Inventing claims???

Mainstream biology doesn't support GMO's. You are just inventing claims here.

aeondaze

12th May 2014, 06:08 PM

this is why the pyramids could NOT have been built in the bronze age, this knowledge was not around back then... so if you are genuine about investigating the topic, you will have to initiate the search by yourself. Nobody can be coerced into it... that the the beauty of free will

Fibonacci found it out about the sequence BEFORE the telescope was invented.

all shapes are in nature and all shapes involve *platonic solids*....

again, this knowledge is pre-deluvian and ancient egypt was the remnants of a lost civilization, whose knowledge was in the end of the pharaohs (and sumarians) and their elites.... nothing has changed since then

You haven't proved that the pyramids could'nt have been built during the Bronze age with this assertion. Stop making snide remarks about my intentions!

How did Fibbonaci come to this realistion about this pattern? Well he had a LOT of help from mathematicians BEFORE him. Just look at wiki!

The Fibonacci sequence appears in Indian mathematics, in connection with Sanskrit prosody.[6][11] In the Sanskrit oral tradition, there was much emphasis on how long (L) syllables mix with the short (S), and counting the different patterns of L and S within a given fixed length results in the Fibonacci numbers; the number of patterns that are m short syllables long is the Fibonacci number Fm + 1.[7]

Susantha Goonatilake writes that the development of the Fibonacci sequence "is attributed in part to Pingala (200 BC), later being associated with Virahanka (c. 700 AD), Gopāla (c. 1135), and Hemachandra (c. 1150)".[5] Parmanand Singh cites Pingala's cryptic formula misrau cha ("the two are mixed") and cites scholars who interpret it in context as saying that the cases for m beats (Fm+1) is obtained by adding a [S] to Fm cases and [L] to the Fm−1 cases. He dates Pingala before 450 BC.[12]

However, the clearest exposition of the series arises in the work of Virahanka (c. 700 AD), whose own work is lost, but is available in a quotation by Gopala (c. 1135):

Variations of two earlier meters [is the variation]... For example, for [a meter of length] four, variations of meters of two [and] three being mixed, five happens. [works out examples 8, 13, 21]... In this way, the process should be followed in all mātrā-vṛttas [prosodic combinations].[13]

The series is also discussed by Gopala (before 1135 AD) and by the Jain scholar Hemachandra (c. 1150).

All this BEFORE Fibonacci. He didn't need a telescope to ascertain this sequence, thats preposterous and just goes to show your rudimentasry understanding of the concepts and general naivety.

Show us proof of this pre-diluvian civilisation again, and what 'delluge' do you refer to when you make this claim?

Oh thats right we've gone on now for over 70 pages and you've provided NO PROOF. You keep harping on, making the same tired old assertions which really have nothing to do with your OP.

o)(~

aeondaze

12th May 2014, 06:16 PM

the world is disharmonious because math are... math have been re-designed to be out of balance on purpose.

This one caught my attention. What are you talking about here...??!?!

How has 'math been redesigned to be out of balance'? I'd really like to hear your reasoning on this one!

aeondaze

12th May 2014, 06:22 PM

I cannot satisfy you in the mainstream way...

:o

This is my favourite quote of all time!

singular_me

12th May 2014, 06:24 PM

http://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/images/fibonacci-spiral.gif

http://mesosyn.com/galaxy-1.jpg

http://www.spirituallifemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Shells1.jpg

http://webecoist.momtastic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/nature-geometry-succulents.jpg

thats the whole concept, dismiss the*platonic solids* theory in whatever research , and eventually one is going to be proven WRONG. It just just is a matter of time... "ohh we have a new breakthrough" is an old story that keeps repeating itself.

Mainstream biology doesn't support GMO's. You are just inventing claims here. When and how did I dismiss Plato's ideas? And what ideas of Plato? You have showed many times in this thread you don't even have a basic understanding of math. Claiming it would be impossible for the Egyptian economy to ship 8000 tons of granite from Aswan to Giza.

aeondaze

12th May 2014, 06:27 PM

I thought 'Platonic solids' was simply food shared by people who were just good firends, lol

Neuro

12th May 2014, 06:33 PM

I am going to proceed the way you do, please provide the evidence.... EU is not USA... china is a major GMOs world food provider, I am afraid.

if something is being rejected in 1/3 of the world but endorsed in 3/4 world, how does it make sense? Inventing claims???
You are talking about politics and blame the field of biology. Are you aware that 1/3 and 3/4 together makes 108.33% world?

singular_me

12th May 2014, 06:41 PM

Neuro, try to wrap your mind around it, ancient egypt did not build the pyramids, paraohs refurbish them.

mainstream (whatever) academia is a total fraud. Follow the fiat/elite money trail....

You are talking about politics and blame the field of biology. Are you aware that 1/3 and 3/4 together makes 108.33% world?

singular_me

12th May 2014, 06:43 PM

You are talking about politics and blame the field of biology. Are you aware that 1/3 and 3/4 together makes 108.33% world?

maths as taught today are a total deception, if they ever were, the world would be at PEACE... in complete equilibrium

mainstream archeologists wont dig deeper because they were not taught about - and if/when they are/were, they are/were protecting the cartel for the sake of their fiat salary - or fame.

Phi, Pi and the Great Pyramid -
http://www.goldennumber.net/phi-pi-great-pyramid-egypt/

aeondaze

12th May 2014, 06:45 PM

This one caught my attention. What are you talking about here...??!?!

How has 'math been redesigned to be out of balance'? I'd really like to hear your reasoning on this one!

Still waiting......?

aeondaze

12th May 2014, 06:52 PM

Neuro, try to wrap your mind around it, ancient egypt did not build the pyramids, paraohs refurbish them.

mainstream (whatever) academia is a total fraud. Follow the fiat money....

Guess what was going on in the area prior to 10,000 BC..?

http://www.history.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/grinding-stones.jpg

http://www.online-archaeology.co.uk/portals/0/articles/food/food6.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dGuPyoAAoX4/UHIZtkxSwgI/AAAAAAAAAFM/_K2L3k5u888/s1600/NENAT070.jpg

http://aratta.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/natufians.gif

See, no advanced 'pre-dilluvian' civilisation, just the Natufians doing their thing...

Neuro

12th May 2014, 06:52 PM

Neuro, try to wrap your mind around it, ancient egypt did not build the pyramids, paraohs refurbish them.

mainstream (whatever) academia is a total fraud. Follow the fiat money....
There is a lot of fraud in mainstream academia, but if you have type 1 diabetes you need to take Insulin, if you want to live. For most other things there can be doubt and discussion!

Neuro

12th May 2014, 06:54 PM

maths as taught today are a total deception, if they ever were, the world would be at PEACE... in complete equilibrium
Thus the world is 1/3+3/4?

aeondaze

12th May 2014, 07:04 PM

maths as taught today are a total deception, if they ever were, the world would be at PEACE... in complete equilibrium

mainstream archeologists wont dig deeper because they were not taught about - and if/when they are, they are protecting the cartel for the sake of their fiat salary.

Phi, Pi and the Great Pyramid -
http://www.goldennumber.net/phi-pi-great-pyramid-egypt/

The world will never be at peace, people will always have disagreements and fights, thats nature. This is excatly the kind of misguided thinking that got you here. You want to believe in some fabled utopia, but the truth is none exists!

So again...

How has 'math been redesigned to be out of balance'?

singular_me

12th May 2014, 07:10 PM

that is the mainstream take, going 100% organic raw food, resolves the issue within 3 months, in most cases: 85% of the time

There is a lot of fraud in mainstream academia, but if you have type 1 diabetes you need to take Insulin, if you want to live. For most other things there can be doubt and discussion!

singular_me

12th May 2014, 07:14 PM

it is a typo and you know it

1/3 and 2/3

Thus the world is 1/3+3/4?

singular_me

12th May 2014, 07:29 PM

no comparison. Natue/cosmos has its own geomertic language... and elites architecture COPY them - why? , yet you bash "secrets in plain sight"... ???

it has been a while that math are out of balance... but since everything is exponential, it has gone from bad to worse over the last 100 years or so. It is mainly because money is cartelized that academia is the major recipient of the elites's geopolitical con games.

http://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/images/fibonacci-spiral.gif

http://mesosyn.com/galaxy-1.jpg

http://www.spirituallifemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Shells1.jpg

http://webecoist.momtastic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/nature-geometry-succulents.jpg

Guess what was going on in the area prior to 10,000 BC..?

http://www.history.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/grinding-stones.jpg

http://www.online-archaeology.co.uk/portals/0/articles/food/food6.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dGuPyoAAoX4/UHIZtkxSwgI/AAAAAAAAAFM/_K2L3k5u888/s1600/NENAT070.jpg

http://aratta.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/natufians.gif

See, no advanced 'pre-dilluvian' civilisation, just the Natufians doing their thing...

singular_me

12th May 2014, 07:37 PM

the very last time I state this:

anybody aware of the geometry involed in the pyramids and WHY they match the Orion Constellation, will reject mainstrean's explanations.

Thats as simple as that

end of thread
( I cannot close it by my own free will due to some external forces )

aeondaze

13th May 2014, 12:17 AM

no comparison. Natue/cosmos has their own geomertic language...it has been a while that math are out of balance... but since everything is exponential, it has gone from bad to worse over the last 100 years or so. It is mainly because money is cartelized that academia is the major recipient of the elites's goepolitical con games.

Who was making comparisons? The universe and nature are tuely wonderous things! Its you who compares and then derides one over the other, not me or Neuro for that matter. Ridiculing your redundant and absurd theories is a completely different thing to deriding nature, of which I've NEVER done. So your point is completely insane on so many levels.

You still haven't answered why Math is 'out of balance'. Maths is what it is, not something that anyone can cause to be out of balance, thats unterly preposterous!

Geoplotical con-games have NOTHING to with the curent state of methematics nor the Bronze age culture of the Egyptians, period.

the very last time I state this:

anybody aware of the geometry involed in the pyramids and WHY they match the Orion Constellation, will reject mainstrean's explanations.

end of thread ( I cannot close it by my own free will due to some external forces )

Lets hope now you've seen the multitude of errors in your cherished theory since you've run out of steam and have lost the will to go on. You should attibute that to your flawed ideas and methods of gathering information.

Its not the end of the thread, it might be the end of your bogus contributions, but this will stand as a testimony to crack pot thinking and above all the rights to free speach on this forum!

Neuro

13th May 2014, 03:30 AM

it is a typo and you know it

1/3 and 2/3
Still you blame the entire field of biology for what is corporate corrupt politics and state the reason is that biologist don't understand math, as you understand it?

Neuro

13th May 2014, 08:55 AM

that is the mainstream take, going 100% organic raw food, resolves the issue within 3 months, in most cases: 85% of the time
That may be the case with type 2 diabetes (Old age onset, desensitization to insulin, usually due to a lifelong carbohydrate addiction). Type 1 diabetes is juvenile onset and due to the pancreas stopping production of insulin, due to an autoimmune attack of the islet of Langerhans cells in the pancreas. Your advice is likely to render a type 1 diabetes sufferer in a hyperglycemic coma and possibly death if they were to follow it. These people need insulin, because their body isn't able to produce it.

expat4ever

14th July 2014, 10:53 PM

So, now that we've firmly established the age of the pyramids, what has that got to do with the fact that other cultures may have built structures that mirror the alignment of Orions Belt, one of the birghtest stars in the night sky?

Thats the brightest object they see at night, HARDLY A COINCIDENCE...

:(??

wait a sec, I am only 3 posts in and you are claiming this as fact? They dated some seeds. Not the Pyramids so nothing has been firmly establshed by these couple of posts. I still have 74 pages to go though so maybe more proof will come.

zap

14th July 2014, 11:53 PM

Yep and then you will see that I was a big ass hole and told Singular to shut the F up because the thread then morphs into the moon and sun and there are extra -terrestrial's. extra earth or moon, inside the earth or the earth has a extra alien civilization, or the moon. Real crack baby's or a new earth inside the other, which ever way you'd like to see............... it is aliens here, cracks baby's there, fungus here drugaticks that way.. Its all just a big Freaking mess!

Maybe I should smoke the the ganja and then I would see it all cleary ! Sorry no crackbabies here !

expat4ever

15th July 2014, 12:02 AM

You threw at me the weathering associated with the Sphinx, claiming that it proves it is older than stated, but you have never looked at the argument of why it appears more weathered than the age has been shown to be.

Its because its made of limestone. Does this mean anything to you? Do you even know what limestone is? CaCO3, it is soluble in water and prone to a weathering process called haloclasty, which hastens deteriation.

Your weathering theory is a HOAX as well.

I'm only a couple of pages in so I just want to clarify, are you saying you are a trained Egyptologist? If so that's very cool. It will be great to see how this thread develops with an expert on board.

I have heard the weathering theory and also the debunked theory. However one theory is supposedly better than the other? Atmospheric precipitation such as dew caused all that weathering? All theories aside for a moment. At what rate would the decay occur with this dew that is spoken of? At what rate would the sands cover the Sphinx? How deep would this dew penetrate to cause this weathering? I've never been there so maybe theres some type of morning dew in that region of the desert that I am not familiar with. However here in Southern Ohio I know the morning dew doesnt penetrate to root depth on most mornings so I need to water my garden. I have a hard time imagining that dew would cause this deterioration more than a couple of inches below the sand. From what you posted I understand that some experts may be in favor of that theory but again its just a theory and is no more proven than the theory that the Sphinx is much older than we think.

You have this overwhelming desrie to believe a lot of claptrap to support some deep seated phsychological desire to believe that the technology we have today is primitive and that the past was a glorious technological feat that far surpasses anything present today without a single shred of evidence.

I think the evidence is that at a minimum 4500 years ago mankind created these things all over the planet that have certainly stood the test of time. Could we do that today? I think we probably could. I'm no stone mason so I wouldn't know where to begin as to estimate a cost for this. Have you ever thought about what this would cost to reproduce? A project that runs 20 plus years with untold thousands working on it to make this happen. Cutting, shaping, moving and fitting 2 1/2 million stones into place then placing a limestone cap over the entire thing? Admittedly I am no expert but from the photos I have seen the workmanship was pretty impressive. Can we do some sort of cost analysis on this?
How long to level 9 acres by hand using whatever tools they had at the time? How long to design this entire thing? How long to quarry, shape, move and place 1 stone? Then we can multiply that by 2 1/2 million. At 10k per stone we are talking about 25 billion? Thats just for the exterior stones and not including the granite work. Thats also assuming 10k would buy that stone and fit it. Maybe someone with more info could take a guess? Asking google nets us results in the 5-17 billion range and that is also using today technology. They estimate 5 years using todays tech. So if it takes 5 years by todays standard what were they working with back then? Keep in mind that 1 block had to be in place every 5 minutes to accomplish this in a 20 year period. Also keep in mind that the site had to be leveled and some sort of system built to raise these stones into place. That takes away from the 5 minutes per block. My understanding is that 4500 years ago they were using copper chisels. Or some sort of primitive chisels. What sort of tools did they have? In my mind using modern technology we should be able to carve a block a lot faster than 25% of the time it took then.. So if it take 4 hours to do one today it would have only taken 16 hours then? That 16 hrs seems really fast to me is what I am saying. My times are probably off. Maybe today it would take us a day or 2 and back then 4-8 days per block? Still seems pretty fast to be cranking out blocks all day long in the scorching heat of the desert.

expat4ever

15th July 2014, 12:07 AM

expat4ever

15th July 2014, 01:09 AM

That's right you're a knucklehead. You call my posts bullshit when I'm the only one here looking at the claims objectively. You can talk as tough as you like, but it still doesn't answer the paltry nature of your claims.

Here we go again, the internet gang bangers come out in force it would seem.

If you can mangle to just stick to the argument Buddha without getting sand in your vagina we might get somewhere...
The only fact I have seen you post thus far is some carbon dating which proves nothing other than some wheat was the age you claim. Has nothing to do with the age of the pyramids. Since your the expert perhaps you can point us in the direction of some writings or something giving us a clue as to how this was done and when? Maybe a set of plans?

aeondaze

15th July 2014, 01:19 AM

I'm only a couple of pages in so I just want to clarify, are you saying you are a trained Egyptologist? If so that's very cool. It will be great to see how this thread develops with an expert on board.

For the record cigarlover, it doesn't take an Egyptologist to understand the phenomena of haloclasty, it requires an understanding of mineralogy and geology of which I studied (amongst other things) at the tertiary level. Egyptologists are a cross between anthropologists and archaeologists.

All fields have some cross polination, in this case standard weathering theories like haloclasty perfectly describe the excessive weathering found in the sphinx. Does this require 'dew' or condensate as its better known to accelerate this phenomena, no. Ground water incursions are also causative, as evidenced by the excessive weathering at the BASE of the sphinx.

I find it remarkable that you choose to rip appart my perfectly logical rebuttals to this insane theory and give carte blanche to the crackpots. I don't need to justify myself, certainly the only person asking for any valid justification of these theories is my good self. As you will see as you delve deepr into this quagmire of idiocy, frustration at the wilfull ignorance of the proponents of this theory overwhlems me.

If you think I'm going to re-post justification after justification for what is accepted scientific practice, you picked the wrong poster.:o

aeondaze

15th July 2014, 01:26 AM

The only fact I have seen you post thus far is some carbon dating which proves nothing other than some wheat was the age you claim. Has nothing to do with the age of the pyramids. Since your the expert perhaps you can point us in the direction of some writings or something giving us a clue as to how this was done and when? Maybe a set of plans?

How about you back the fuck up for a second there, don't start going at me like I'm the enemy with your smart arse insinuations or you'll surely garner my ire.

YOU NEED TO READ THE WHOLE THREAD ASSHOLE BEFORE GETTING SAND IN YOUR VAGINA.

Oh yeah, sure just because the weat was contained within the complex means it has nothing to do with the structures age...fucking unbelievable...:rolleyes:

expat4ever

15th July 2014, 01:50 AM

What is irritating is how you think that I can't adequately explain away the symbolism on the dollar bill without admitting their was some advanced civilisation beyond 10,000 BC.

What does the eye of Horus mean to these psychos, and what did it mean to the cults of ancient egypt? These are two different questions.

Clearly this is a statement of dominance,couched in secrecy nothing more nothing less. You are making the claim that it means something else, so be upfront for a change and tell us what you think it means.

Modern scholars seem to think the cradle of civilization dates back about 5 or 6000 years in mesopotamia. Whats your version of history. I think the main point many are making is that discoveries are being made worldwide that dont coincide with the book version anymore. yet the "scholars" refuse to accept any new data. Cites in the med, off the coast of india and Japan, off the coast of Cuba (Possibly) off the coast of the bahamas and many more all over the world. All if these existed before the great flood of around 12,000 years ago and are pretty strong evidence that civilization existed before the books say it did.
Even if we go by the books please explain how civilization just popped up 5k years ago and 500 years later we started building pyramids. and then for the next 4500 years up to and including today we still cant figure out how they were built? Yes there are theories but nothing set in stone so to speak :). We are spending about 4 billion to rebuild the trade centers in NYC and that'll last what, 30-100 years maybe? Meanwhile we have 5000 year old structures in the middle of the desert that are still standing. After that we just said the hell with it and went back to living in mud huts?

Thats not to say that 500 years from beginning to pyramids isnt a long time. hell we've come a long way from 1500 to today. However we have a collective knowledge that spans back at least 5000 years so we wernt starting from 0, I and many others contend that 4500 years ago we werent starting from 0 either and in fact theres no reason that civilization couldnt have started 60,000 years ago. At one time everyone thought the earth was flat. Was Gallileo imprisoned for life because he said the Earth rotated around the Sun instead of everything rotating around earth? Point being theories are just theories until some evidence is presented as fact. Most of what you have provided is theory based on the current teachings. Please dont try and sell it as fact 100 posts into this and still you have presented 1 fact. Just for the record.

expat4ever

15th July 2014, 02:02 AM

For the record cigarlover, it doesn't take an Egyptologist to understand the phenomena of haloclasty, it requires an understanding of mineralogy and geology of which I studied (amongst other things) at the tertiary level. Egyptologists are a cross between anthropologists and archaeologists.

All fields have some cross polination, in this case standard weathering theories like haloclasty perfectly describe the excessive weathering found in the sphinx. Does this require 'dew' or condensate as its better known to accelerate this phenomena, no. Ground water incursions are also causative, as evidenced by the excessive weathering at the BASE of the sphinx.

I find it remarkable that you choose to rip appart my perfectly logical rebuttals to this insane theory and give carte blanche to the crackpots. I don't need to justify myself, certainly the only person asking for any valid justification of these theories is my good self. As you will see as you delve deepr into this quagmire of idiocy, frustration at the wilfull ignorance of the proponents of this theory overwhlems me.

If you think I'm going to re-post justification after justification for what is accepted scientific practice, you picked the wrong poster.:o

For the record I am not ripping apart anything. You understand it I do not I am asking for clarification to help me better understand it.
Ok the ground water incursions would help to explain that erosion at the base. Provided of course there is evidence of those incursions. Is there? Have you been there?

As you will see I am not really taking sides. I am attempting to gather "Facts" in order to better make my own conclusions. You do come off a bit harsh so I am merely trying to get better information so that I can understand your position more clearly. Dont take that as me ripping apart your rebuttals. I am merely pointing out that the information provided as you quoted it, is nothing more than another theory. Not proven, just the theory that is accepted by scholars at this time.

expat4ever

15th July 2014, 02:06 AM

How about you back the fuck up for a second there, don't start going at me like I'm the enemy with your smart arse insinuations or you'll surely garner my ire.

YOU NEED TO READ THE WHOLE THREAD ASSHOLE BEFORE GETTING SAND IN YOUR VAGINA.

Oh yeah, sure just because the weat was contained within the complex means it has nothing to do with the structures age...fucking unbelievable...:rolleyes:

I wont stoop to your level of name calling.

So by your logic, I have a carrot in my fridge that is 2 weeks old. I guess thats how old my fridge really is? You base conclusions on some wheat contained within a structure therefor thats the date you put on the structure? What if the structure existed for 5000 years before the wheat was put there?

expat4ever

15th July 2014, 03:39 AM

I have no problem with you being skeptical about the people I refer to over a mainstream academia that is designed to cover-up the evolution of masonry and the true origins of mankind... but if you choose to give that so-called academia more credibility, you will systematically discard anything I say anyway.

ooh and I forgot that Nassim Haramein, another fav of mine, explains the architectural accuracy of the pyramids mathematically and concludes that no modern means could reproduce them. In fact the mainstream explanation is debunked with straight maths...

Id suggest that you ask a friend to download and burn a DVD and for you with Haramein's investigation. He considered as a rogue PhD in astrophysics as he includes in his theories Sacred Geometry :) And anyone aware of Sacred Geometry realizes the very complex architecture, the pitfall of the mainstream.

Who REALLY built the Pyramids??? / not the Egyptians ...
(clip taken from Nassim Haramein 's EIGHT HOUR 2003 lecture)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0gx5Y48ssk

Not sure how much this was referenced in the thread but I wanted to point out a couple of things he says.
1) no pharoahs were found in the pyamides.
2) no glyphs. Egyptions have hyroglyphs everywhere discussing every aspect of life in that time period. yet nothing as to the building of the pyramids.
3) he claims the scholars say that farmers built these and only when they were not farming 3 months a year. Thats means they were placing a stone every 2 seconds.

No idea if any of this is true. Just repeating what he says.

aeondaze

15th July 2014, 04:14 AM

I'm not going to asnwer all of these assertions you make. Sufice to say current consensus has already done that, should you wish to 'discover' these accepted theories I suggest you start there.

Your assertions about Egyptian megalithic culture appearing out of nowhere are absurd and not supported by facts.

There is a clear continuum both technologicaly and culturally that supports the modern consensus. I'm not going to debate or 'school' you on this subject, just because you are poorly read doesn't make your assertions correct, just saying.

I have presented many FACTS in this thread, as above. Just because you refuse to accept these doesn't make them any less factual.

aeondaze

15th July 2014, 06:19 AM

I wont stoop to your level of name calling.

So by your logic, I have a carrot in my fridge that is 2 weeks old. I guess thats how old my fridge really is? You base conclusions on some wheat contained within a structure therefor thats the date you put on the structure? What if the structure existed for 5000 years before the wheat was put there?

This is rubbish!

That carrot would be perfectly useful for dating your fridge if it hadn't been opened for thousands of years, or parts of the fridge (where the carrot resided) was undisturbed for a LONG period of time.

Your statement is utterly falacious in the context of this discussion. Do you even think through these little though experiments that you assert are grounded in some kind of logic?

Horn

15th July 2014, 10:38 AM

So by your logic, I have a carrot in my fridge that is 2 weeks old. I guess thats how old my fridge really is?

Uniformitarianism is the assumption that the same natural laws and processes that operate in the universe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe) now have always operated in the universe in the past and apply everywhere in the universe. It has included the gradualistic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradualism) concept that "the present is the key to the past" and is functioning at the same rates. Uniformitarianism has been a key principle of geology and virtually all fields of science.

Mmmmmdaze...There is a clear continuum both technologicaly and culturally that supports the modern consensus.

Its all about being happy with your old carrot in the present.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Sxv-sUYtM

expat4ever

15th July 2014, 10:39 AM

This is rubbish!

That carrot would be perfectly useful for dating your fridge if it hadn't been opened for thousands of years, or parts of the fridge (where the carrot resided) was undisturbed for a LONG period of time.

Your statement is utterly falacious in the context of this discussion. Do you even think through these little though experiments that you assert are grounded in some kind of logic?

For a so called expert you really dont know the different between theory and fact? The fact is that thus far, about 25 pages into the thread and you have presented 1 fact of some carbon dating. Other than that you insult anyone who doesnt agree with the "accepted by mainstream" theories. Those are the facts as I see them in the thread thus far.
To be fair though I havent seen a lot of facts on the other side of the debate either. Again, lots of theories but nothing concrete that makes me say yup, thats the age and thats how they did it. I also dont see Aliens traveling across the galaxy to come to Earth and build some stone stuff that will last for thousands or 10's of thousands of years with no intended purpose. I also dont buy that these were tombs.. The Pharoahs wanted these huge megolithic structures built to immortalize them but dont even put their name on em? As I already pointed out theres no writings as to the purpose or the construction of these things. At 20 years a pop x at least 87 of them that I know of the pyramids would have encompassed the civilization as a whole for 100's of years. Yet noone ever talked about them in the hieroglyphs?

Lets look outside of Egypt. In Mesopotamia we have 100's of 1000's of sanskrit tablets that have been found. Any mention of this enormous project being undertaken in Egypt? This is one of the 7 wonders of the world and as such it would have been enormously impressive to anyone who had seen what was going on at the time. As far as I know noone in the middle east mentions them. Pretty strange for a project or projects of that magnitude. What about the rest of Africa? Any tribes has written or oral accounts of these being built?

The theory was that civilizations were isolationist for the most part in that time period. Localized trading but certainly no circumnavigation of the earth. But then in the early 1900's I think it was, they found Egyptian hieroglyphs and mummies in caves in the Grand Canyon. Theories are great until facts disprove them.

The accepted theory is that these were tombs. In the kings chambers is a 100 ton granite sarcophagus. They couldn't find a way in so the blasted their way in. Then they had to remove a 40 ton lid to get inside the sarcophagus. It was empty. The conclusion? grave robbers LMAO... I guess you buy that theory because thats the accepted theory running today correct? Sadly most of these theories have been around for quite some time and they never change. they never change because we seem to want to keep history contained nice and neatly and say this is how it was. These theories are being questioned and rightly so. Right now we have more questions than answers IMO. I cant say with any certainty that your carbon dating of the wheat is incorrect. I'm quite sure it probably accurate. In fact the dating and much of Egyptology may very well be accurate. However, I do think there were other advancements made that we just dont know about yet. Or if we do its being kept from us.