Pyramids and The Orion Belt (mind blowing)

[expat4ever]

There is a clear continuum both technologicaly and culturally that supports the modern consensus.
Ok so we have history by concensus.

Ok so lets forget facts then.. Can we set up a poll here and decide on history from now on.

Heres a link to things they found at one of the oldest pyramids. Since your a geologist I defer to your expertise on how long it would take to create items like these out of the stone mentioned. In fact they are beautiful pieces and I would love to do something like this. What sort of tools would I need to do it? Obviously a lathe but what cutting tools would I use?
http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org/egypt/articles/hrdfact3.php

[Horn]

As we delve deeper beyond Orion's belt,

We can start to see where the binary star and soul mate connection between a.daze and singular_me resides. :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXbP4JBf8To

[singular_me]

most of ancient egyptian history is made up... I have been researching all this for quite a while. Turn on your TV, lies are everywhere... nothing new, elites have been just doing that for millennia long.



Not sure how much this was referenced in the thread but I wanted to point out a couple of things he says.
1) no pharoahs were found in the pyamides.
2) no glyphs. Egyptions have hyroglyphs everywhere discussing every aspect of life in that time period. yet nothing as to the building of the pyramids.
3) he claims the scholars say that farmers built these and only when they were not farming 3 months a year. Thats means they were placing a stone every 2 seconds.

No idea if any of this is true. Just repeating what he says.

[Dogman]

Zap

Yep and then you will see that I was a big ass hole and told Singular to shut the F up because the thread then morphs into the moon and sun and there are extra -terrestrial's. extra earth or moon, inside the earth or the earth has a extra alien civilization, or the moon. Real crack baby's or a new earth inside the other, which ever way you'd like to see............... it is aliens here, cracks baby's there, fungus here drugaticks that way.. Its all just a big Freaking mess!

Maybe I should smoke the the ganja and then I would see it all cleary ! Sorry no crackbabies here !



May not hurt or at least cause less hurt than alcohol.

This is GSUS, one of the few places on the net that you can be stone sober and be taken on a trip/have your mind warped and have you contemplate your navel or watch toenails growing all in one thread!

Singular and her alter ego need space to work things out!

Those two need to find a grue/priest/shaman/whatever or pick you flavor of holy person and get hitched and find a room.

One is always polite, the other is a complete ass, as far as being nonpolite/cuss/diss/smear anyone that does not agree!

Total opposites!

They are made for each other!

Zap no threads are safe on the forum from derailing and some do become epic train wrecks!

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[Horn]

More fruitloops for truthers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MMp0SZfVPg

[singular_me]

Singular and her alter ego need space to work things out!

thirst for knowledge is endless... as much as our banking system is a scam, mainstream earth/cosmic history surely too is.

Most people would rather avoid those topics because it makes their lives seem even more futile and vain.... and thats okay by me, I find an incredible strength in the quest for Truth in all fields.

[expat4ever]

SOCIALLY its a modern dark age I agree , technologically though, we're at our peak!

Look to be frank I do think there is a mystery to be solved in relation to the eye of horus and pyramid adorning the dollar bill and I agree that the masonic imagery is overwhelming. ALL AROUND US EVEN.

I don't know if I can forgive you for enough of your bullshit theories and reluctance to look at things from another angel to be frank with you. Your theories are unecesarily burdened with a morass of exestential weight that I just don't think it deserves. I would be willing to chat about this for REAL, but you have to let go of some of this stuff because it just bogs things down - you give it weight it doesn't deserve and therefore some supernatural credence that defies any real logical approach to explaining the mystery of why these symbols permeate our society.

If you respond in a decent way I will explain my theory...
And at post 303 I sense love.. Is it just me or do we have a hint of affection going on here. LMAo!!! Just teasing of course. Funny to watch you all go at it.

[expat4ever]

It is a tough call sure to make the Iron Age a thousand years earlier. How do you propose the stones were cut then?

Fire and water. The fire heats the stone and a rapid cooling cracks it.

[expat4ever]

1) If archaeologists lie about the age of the pyramids, why do they date Gobekli Tepe to 10,500 BC?

No idea if they are lying about the Pyramids age but Gobekli is a fairly new discovery and not much has been written on it. The pyramids on the other had may be one of the most written about subjects in history other than possibly religion. New dating of the pyramids would cause all previous material to be worthless. Thats a lot of material to trash. We also have the issue of Egyptology itself. As you have admitted, you need a concensus to allow things to become fact in this field. Thats not going to happen easily. Theres also the possibility that they have the age correct but the technology used incorrect.


If archaeologists "destroy" artefacts, where is the proof? It was destroyed.


If an advanced civilisastion existed before 3500 BC where are the advanced materials and technology?
87 pyramids, temple of karnak, balbek lebenon, Cusco peru, 50 miles of tunnels beneath the giza complex, 1000's of artifacts from ancient egypt in the cairo museum,


If an advanced civilisation built the pyramids why chose somehting as primitive as stone?

Well, lets back up 5000 years. What were the building materials of the time? Mud bricks and primitive stone houses? Straw roofs? Then along comes the Egyptions and as soon or right in the time period of the wheel being discovered/invented they decided to build these pyramids. Then we have the granite work. So the conversation went something like, "hey, heres a copper chisle and a 100 ton piece of granite. I want you to cut a 40 ton top off of this thing completely flat and then hollow out the inside and I want a polished finish on this and the corners need to be perfectly square." hmmmm.. I dunno, in my mind it just doesnt fit the time period.

You keep asking for proof from everyone else here yet to be honest i am 45 pages into this thread and you have provided nothing of substance. Lots of abuse but nothing in the way of any meaningful rebuttal. So how about you provide some proof that the technology existed to actually build these in this time period.

I;m willing to accept the tine frame to be honest. However what we have been taught doesnt fit with what was manufactured here in the desert. We have what was supposed to be a fairly primitive civilization at the early stages of civilization, right out of the gate building these structures and then we have been in regression ever since.

Also its not the fact that they used stone but the zie and quantity of it that is baffling. if they used 50-500 lb stones it fits the time period. 1-5 ton and we are getting ahead of the time period. 100 ton blocks of granite and we are into modern day technology. The stone vessels that I posted a link for. Thats just not copper chisel technology, sorry.

The only explanation that makes any sense is that these people were a lot smarter than we give them credit for. I think based on what they produced that its obvious. So although the stone may be primitive, the way they worked it was not. In my mind this is the main reason there is so much confusion on the issue.

[expat4ever]

WTF?

Since when do you believe in EXPERTS?

You've stated time and time again that you think all scientific experts are NWO supporting blood sucking baby murderes, and then you go and make a statement like this?

Seriously, you have issues. :confused:

Actually in reading through this thread, the only person who appears to have issues in it is you. You really do come off as ignorant. For someone who is supposedly an expert in their field you are extremely ignorant. You have 0 self respect and about as much self esteem. You've obvious accomplished nothing in your life and make weak attempts to try to degrade anyone else with an opinion. So after 45 pages in this thread its very obvious that your opinion is worthless. You have offered nothing in the way of substance to the thread and other than watching you make an idiot out of yourself, which many times is quite humorous, I see no reason why you have bothered to post in it. Seriously you posted one fact on carbon dating of some wheat. Other than that you offer nothing.

[expat4ever]

most of ancient egyptian history is made up... I have been researching all this for quite a while. Turn on your TV, lies are everywhere... nothing new, elites have been just doing that for millennia long.

I dont own a tv. Been researching this for quite awhile myself. I havent seen any evidence that supports the pyramids being older than the 4500 year time frame. The technology and math is another story. The level of accuracy is mind boggling. Looking at the great pyramid from the top down the top is within 1/4 of an inch of being perfectly centered. Thats pretty accurate for something that has a base of 13 square acres.
As for the stones being moved and stuff. There's videos out of there of 1 man moving multi ton stones, up to 10 tons I think and it was pretty easy to do. When your talking 1-3 tons your talking about the weight of a car. 3-5 and its slightly more but if you can do 1-3 tons then 3-5 tons should also be doable. When we get into the 100 ton pieces of granite and the 1200 ton pieces at balbek, thats where I start to wonder.
The machining is also in question. If the dating is correct on these structures and even if it isnt, the big question is how did they do it with the tools they had at the time.

My conclusion is that there was technology that we dont know about. I guess thats obvious though. Where did the technology come from is the next question. It just doesnt fit the time period. Pyramids aside, theres thousands of artifacts that just dont fit the time period for the technology they supposedly had. I'm my mind, there was either a civilization lost that was way more advanced than we know about or there was some other worldly intervention. Its not that I dont belive in other civilizations in the galaxy but I dont think they would have an interest in coming to Earth to build stone structures. if they did to help us advance then why not leave blueprints for us to rebuild in case of disasters? The pyramids would be a good place to store them. Anyway, I'm more inclined to believe that civilization was more advanced than we previously thought or have been told about. I think much of that was lost during the great flood or deluge. Thus the reason for so many cities being found underwater. There are also stone structures around the world that are hard to explain. The obvious explanation is they were way more advanced in their stone work than we can imagine. They were using concrete so why build with such massive stones? Wouldnt it make more sense just to build with smaller stones? The only explanation I can come up with is that it wasnt as difficult to do as we imagine. There are videos i have seen in the past explaining how things were moved or how the stones were worked to a certain degree. Like I said they used fire and water to crack them and get them to a rough size. I imagine that if your were doing this everyday for decades you would become pretty good at it.

I do agree with you, lies are everywhere and the TV is probably the best tool they have for propaganda and disinfo. Got to a point I just couldnt watch it anymore. Even when I visit friends and family i cant be bothered to watch it.

[Horn]

There's videos out of there of 1 man moving multi ton stones, up to 10 tons I think and it was pretty easy to do. When your talking 1-3 tons your talking about the weight of a car. 3-5 and its slightly more but if you can do 1-3 tons then 3-5 tons should also be doable. When we get into the 100 ton pieces of granite and the 1200 ton pieces at balbek, thats where I start to wonder.

That may be part of the issue, we try to apply a uniformitarianism to it ourselves. The Earth having a different gravity factor and atmospheric composition at the time, the challenge may have been completely different also, making it much easier to do.

[expat4ever]

Thank you for this thread and all of the info contained. Lots of good videos that are now on my watch later list.

[singular_me]

two thumbs UP for this vid, excellent intro to sacred geometry


More fruitloops for truthers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MMp0SZfVPg

[Glass]

move big rocks/blocks without machines


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4#t=317
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4#t=317

[Horn]

move big rocks/blocks without machines

Why build Stonehenge when u can't cut stone and build a pyramid?

[Glass]

Why build Stonehenge when u can't cut stone and build a pyramid?

I thought the ease that he rotated the stones horizontally was interesting. I was thinking to myself, I wonder if you could grind great big stones with that method.

[Horn]

I saw something suggesting they were cut with sand,

that to me would still show advanced knowledge, and lead much earlier to advancements in machinery.

[Glass]

I could not find a Freemason only thread. I thought there were a couple. This seems to be the best place to put it.

Christopher Knight. Anyone know about this guy?

Interview: http://thehighersidechats.com/christopher-knight-interview/

Apparently 33 dregree freemason who lived most of life as an atheist. Not a Scottish Rite. Wondered why Freemasons do the rituals they do. He says none of them know and they simply say "its a secret" because freemasons don't want to look like idiots.

Discovered (not the first guy) that there is a specific mathematic branch that goes back 6000 years and it works better and more acurately than what is used today. He said that one of the US Founding fathers was trying to get this mathematic system, (Thomas Jefferson) accepted as the preferred system. By system we are talking ratios and so on.

Bascially they are talking about the coincidences of the measurements of things on earth and how they match things in the heavens by ratio.

Talks about Orions belt matching to the Pyramind layout. Talks about how the builders flipped the image they saw so that it was not a mirror image. Pyramids existed in every society. Eygypts pyramids are newer than others and are obviously a copy of those.

The moon fits a lot of ratios with earth. The earth takes 366 days to do an orbit. The earth has 366 degrees in its circumference but was adjusted to 360 to simplify the mathematics. If any one listens, can you add anything to that? Because I'm not sure I grasped it first time around.

Neptune is the solar systems clock. It is also earths clock. It perfectly calculates time and movement. It works on 8 year cycles and 40 years cycles.

The moon is claimed to be made from surface deterious of earth, maybe from the pacific region. It contains no central core like earth but has several somethings in side. It's magnetic fields are generated just below the surface.

The universe is not random, something engineered it but it was not God in any form. It could be multiple creators because the bible talks in the plural. Lets make man in our image. ??? But the bible is just folk lore. Mathematics and observation tells us the universe, solar system, the planets that it is too ordered for it to be random.

interesting discussion but I'm not convinced the guy is ex freemason. Is not religious but may not be an atheist any more.

Has a couple books. Who Built the Moon and Solomons Power Brokers.

[Glass]

Megalithic yard. 82.966cm. Used in units of 366. Note sure what that means exactly. Maybe you use 366 megalythic yards to get to the next unit of measure. Remembering that the earth takes 366 days to do an orbit and is 366 degrees in radial circumference. (just grabbed that term out of thin air).

Looking at Henges all over western europe. 732 around the ciurcumference which is double the number of magnetic(?) arms to the horizon. WTF does that mean? minute 54.

Pendulums are used for extremely accurate measurement. They go haywire during todal eclipes.

Installations like stonehenge or other megalythic structures, maybe that peru place as well.

US navy build henges to create naval charts. They used megalythic yards. Somewhere near Washington DC is a large circle somewhere near the admiral house maybe?

All those DC encoded things are based on megalythic yards. The Capitol building. White house etc. Pentagon.

Pentagon is designed according to principles only taught until you get to 32 degree.

According to someone, 33 degree masons get their orders from someone. No one knows who it is. He just shows up tells them what to do and they do it. Out of fear.

Freemasonry is a conspiracy but he thinks it's beneficial. All the evil is purely the politics. Politics in DC has nothing to do with FM. right.

[Neuro]

Glass the 366° geometry is part of what some call pseudo-scientific metrology:

of October 2009,[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscientific_metrology#cite_note-26) Butler and Knight claim the evidence on the ground for 366-degree geometry abounds, most of it readily checkable by anyone on Google Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Earth). First, the circumference of the henge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henge) at Stonehenge1 was, according to the authors, exactly 366 Megalithic yards long.
Second, the triple henge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henge) of Thornborough (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thornborough,_North_Yorkshire), Yorkshire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire), is claimed to perfectly exhibit Megalithic measurements: the space between the henges is 360 and 366 Megalithic rods respectively (both numbers are "Megalithic" – there are 360 seconds of arc in a Megalithic degree, and 366 degrees in a Megalithic circle); each of the three henges has a circumference of precisely 366 x 2 Megalithic yards (Butler predicted the existence of such "magic" circles with a 233-Megalithic-yard diameter, which naturally results in a 366 x 2-Megalithic yard circumference, without ever finding any for years); and the longitudinal distance between the two outer circles is exactly 4 Megalithic seconds of arc.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/DC_satellite_image.jpg/220px-DC_satellite_image.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DC_satellite_image.jpg)

Washington, D.C..


What is more, according to the authors, modern Washington, D.C. displays a staggering number of fundamental distances when expressed in multiples of 366 Megalithic yards (or 366 Megalithic seconds of arc), many stemming from the centre of Ellipse Park in the centre of the city. For example, the distance between the centre of the Ellipse to The Pentagon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon) is 10 times 366 Megalithic yards, whereas there are exactly 8 times 366 Megalithic yards to the centre of the Capitol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Capitol).
According to the authors the circle inside which The Pentagon is inscribed is an exact 5 times 366 Megalithic yards.
Finally, the length of a diagonal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagonal) of the square originally designed as the District of Columbia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia) (no longer a full square) is an exact 75 times 366 Megalithic Yards. According to Butler and Knight, all this is incontrovertible evidence of the continuing existence and (secret) use of 366-degree geometry within modern Freemasonry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry) (for example, the Ellipse-Capitol-Pentagon ensemble forms a triangle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle) of 15, 10 and 8 times 366 Megalithic yards respectively, or 33 times 366 Megalithic yards in total, which is said by the authors to echo Freemasonry's 33rd degree (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degree_(freemasonry)) of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Rite)).

more at the link...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscientific_metrology

[Glass]

I think it's pretty clear which some.

So none of the measurements or monuments incorporate the megalithic yard/rod?


Butler also noticed that the division of the same Megalithic arcsecond into 1,000 equal parts yielded a length of 30.36 cm, which he thought matched that of the measurement given to the Minoan foot, a unit of length used in the Cretan palaces built roughly at the same time as the Phaistos Disc was made, and independently discovered by Canadian archaeologist J. Walter Graham (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=J._Walter_Graham&action=edit&redlink=1). A later statistical test of Graham's figures found the preferred measure for the Minoan foot to be 46.8 cm.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscientific_metrology#cite_note-16)

Looking to that citation we find:

16. McEnroe, John C. (2010). Architecture of Minoan Crete: constructing identity in the Aegean Bronze Age (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=A8hS5CVor2UC&pg=PA88&lpg=PA88&dq=Minoan+foot+cm&source=bl&ots=l9Vgkgp8xh&sig=oLAsKSDEITzhRor9_wNyezWn5Cc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cW4kT-eIG4fV8QPd8ISPAg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Minoan%20foot%20cm&f=false). University of Texas Press. p. 88. ISBN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number) 978-0-292-72193-7 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-292-72193-7).

Following to read the citation:

Where others saw chaos, Graham saw order. Looking at the Palace at Phaistos, for example, he saw various dimensions being repeated, and, reckoning that the major sections of the Palace might have been laid out in round numbers of standard unit of measurement, he concluded that the Minoan architects had used a unit of 30.36 cm that he called the Minoan foot (fig. 8.9). Tests at the Palace at Zakaros, which was not excataed until after Graham had proposed his Minoan foot, appeared to support his hypothesis. 26 Several years later J. Cherry submitted Graham's published figures to a statistical test. He found that while the measurements were, in fact, quantal, that is, did correspond to some unit of measurement, the preferred quantum or (Minoan foot) was 46.8cm

Architecture of Minoan Crete. Page 89.

Apologies for any error in the last quote as I had to type it out.

So what is a Statistical Test? Sounds like non observational mathematical theoretical solution. Like black holes and gravity and so on.

Also the pseudo scientists were not working in 4 dimensions which includes time and means that some parts built after other parts coincidentally create these dimensions when they intersect other parts built at other times.

Interesting topic. Much clouding of the waters.

[singular_me]

pseudo-scientific metrology??? Lets see... (not replying neuro here but trying to get the point across)

have you watched secrets in plain sight yet?

From what I know and understand is that the masonic talmudists use numbers' most harmonious vibratory effects to implement their dark agendas. Intent is what defines knowledge.

The conspiracy will end when enough people will have learned about it. Math is everything and its metaphysics very real. Everything can be calculated with math and the correlation is obvious, and there is a symmetry in the Universe, an Intelligent Design which is the secret of Life that the elites surely dont want masses to know about.

The platonic solids also teach about the molecular structure of atoms and the period table, until chemists begin to understand the numeric correlations, big pharma will continue to make us sick.


Russellian Science: A Synopsis of the Magnetic-Electric, Cubic Wave-field Model of Creation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Llyvy8Y7OU


the 666 also has another meaning. 666 as interpreted in the bible may mean that hatred for Life (embodied by satan) will call upon us Judgement Day.


SACRED GEOMETRY IN THE BIBLE
“Here is wisdom let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast, for it is a number of a man, six hundred three score and six.” – Revelation 13:18 KJV
Finally, Carbon based life, which is a vital ingredient for all known naturally occurring life on this planet essential molecular nature is again characterized by 666. Carbon molecules are composed of 6 electrons, 6 protons and 6 neutrons. All organic life is carbon based on
http://sacredgeometryinternational.com/camron-wiltshire-quest-gnosis

http://sacredgeometryinternational.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/666_Infographic_12x18.jpg


Secrecy is the root cause of ALL evil.

[Horn]

The 666 thread might have fit better, is more fractal in nature.

Speaking of fractals, they could be the reasons for many of the rhymes to 6.

Nature is redundant, 2 hands or of most everything on us, when in 3dimensional points or strikes things are done.

Do the math


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHCtqq8GDxA

[singular_me]

completely forgot about the 666 thread until I read your posting above.

however, unless somebody else does it, I would not revive any of those threads myself

[Neuro]

Then of course related to pseudo-scientific metrology, you have the subject of pseudoarcheology, which is related to this thread. :)

Academic critics have pointed out that pseudoarchaeologists typically neglect to use the scientific method (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method). Instead of testing the evidence to see what hypotheses it fits, pseudoarchaeologists "press-gang" the archaeological data to fit a "favored conclusion" that is often arrived at through hunches, intuition, or religious or nationalist dogma.[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology#cite_note-17)[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology#cite_note-18)Different pseudoarchaeological groups hold a variety of basic assumptions which are typically unscientific: the Nazi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi)pseudoarchaeologists for instance took the cultural superiority of the ancient Aryan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan) race as a basic assumption, whilst Judeo-Christian fundamentalist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist) pseudoarchaeologists conceive of the Earth as being less than 10,000 years old and Hindu fundamentalist pseudoarchaeologists believe that the Homo sapiens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens) species is much older than the 200,000 years old it has been shown to be by archaeologists.[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology#cite_note-19) Despite this, many of pseudoarchaeology's proponents claim that they reached their conclusions using scientific techniques and methods, even when it is demonstrable that they have not.[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology#cite_note-20)[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology#cite_note-21)
Academic archaeologist John R. Cole believed that most pseudoarchaeologists do not understand how scientific investigation works, and that they instead believe it to be a "simple, catastrophic right versus wrong battle" between contesting theories.[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology#cite_note-Cole_1980._p._03-22) It was because of this failure to understand the scientific method, he argued, that the entire pseudoarchaeological approach to their arguments was faulty. He went on to argue that most pseudoarchaeologists do not consider alternate explanations to that which they want to propagate, and that their "theories" were typically just "notions", not having sufficient supporting evidence to allow them to be considered "theories" in the scientific, academic meaning of the word.[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology#cite_note-23)
Commonly lacking scientific evidence, pseudoarchaeologists typically use other forms of evidence to support their arguments. For instance, they often make use of "generalized cultural comparisons," taking various artefacts and monuments from one society, and highlighting similarities with those of another to support a conclusion that both had a common source—typically an ancient lost civilisation like Atlantis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis), Mu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(lost_continent)), or an extraterrestrial influence.[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology#cite_note-ReferenceA-15) This takes the different artefacts or monuments entirely out of their original contexts, something which is anathema to academic archaeologists, for whom context is of the utmost importance.[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology#cite_note-fagan26-24)
Another form of evidence used by a number of pseudoarchaeologists is the interpretation of various myths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology) as reflecting historical events, but in doing so these myths are often taken out of their cultural contexts.[25] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology#cite_note-ReferenceB-25) For instance, pseudoarchaeologist Immanuel Velikovsky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky) claimed that the myths of migrations and war gods in the Central American Aztec (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec)civilisation represented a cosmic catastrophe that occurred in the 7th and 8th centuries BCE.[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology#cite_note-26) This was criticised by academic archaeologist William H. Stiebing Jr., who noted that such myths only developed in the 12th to the 14th centuries CE, over a millennium after Velikovsky claimed that the events had occurred, and that the Aztec society itself had not even developed by the 7th century BCE.[25] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology#cite_note-ReferenceB-25)

More here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology

[singular_me]

in the end everything is connected neuro... scientists hate the idea of an intelligent design, nothing new, and as long as they refute it, they will not become co-creators but wage war on God.

now get ready for mass genocides

[Neuro]

in the end everything is connected neuro... scientists hate the idea of an intelligent design, nothing new, and as long as they refute it, they will not become co-creators but wage war on God.

now get ready for mass genocides
The eternal promotor of mass genocides. Have a great day yourself!

[Horn]

The eternal promotor of mass genocides. Have a great day yourself!

another case of one finger and 4 pointing back. Mr. Concentration camp and on spot executions at the border.

[Neuro]

another case of one finger and 4 pointing back. Mr. Concentration camp and on spot executions at the border.
Not really, voluntary concentration camps in Greece and Italy, is to give refugees a chance avoiding being genocided in the Zionist war zone they came from, while at the same time protect the European population from potentially dangerous individuals. Shooting foreign invaders at the border is to prevent your own population from being genocided, they are after all criminals, who knows what background they have. People who enter legally you can do a background check on. There is no genocide intention behind letting Mexican people in who are in good standing, while you shoot possible massmurderers and gangsters who tries to enter illegally. I have heard there are quite a few thugs in Mexico.

This is mere common sense Hornstein, for those people who value their life, freedom and culture.

I am surprised you bring these points up now, though, you never showed much interest in discussing any of these suggestions when I brought them up. Now as I point out Goldies obsession with Mass Genocide in practically every post I am the one who is promoting genocide? Besides why do you frequently speak on her behalf, do you think she is stupid? ;D

[Glass]

so psuedo archeology and psuedo science sound a lot like what the establishment use doesn't it. Form a theory and find or make evidence to fit. A beautiful example of black pots and kettles.

[Horn]

People who enter legally you can do a background check on.

No doubt, for any extreme psuedo-science views found in their past they will face internment in concentration reprogramming to euro wearing spandex bathing suit camps that serve Big Macs bought with EBT cards.

Maybe they stole a bicycle from the kid down the block at age 12 and its listed on their permanent record, then it's straight to the license plate factory for life.

Just so long as they don't build funky looking cottage cheese cabins, planting vineyards for fermented highs or trying to sell spinal readjustment as a good thing in my backyard, I'm o.k.

Christ next they'd be trying to tax the air that I exhale if that happened.

[singular_me]

Now as I point out Goldies obsession with Mass Genocide in practically every post I am the one who is promoting genocide? Besides why do you frequently speak on her behalf, do you think she is stupid? ;D

agenda 21 is unfolding in front of our very eyes, right or not?
But strangely you prefer to go along with the zionist concentration camp option and call my stance an obsession. Makes no sense.

[Neuro]

agenda 21 is unfolding in front of our very eyes, right or not?
But strangely you prefer to go along with the zionist concentration camp option and call my stance an obsession. Makes no sense.
Well your option is to have refugee's rounded up with tax payers money and have them sent back to the Zionist proxy war, that together with your incessant call for mass genocide/killing in practically every post lately. Seems like you are burning hot for genocide Goldie! Housing them in a camp is in my opinion a more safe, humane way of dealing with a very difficult situation, and it would probably only appeal to those that have a very real need for protection...

I suppose you could call it a 'Concentration camp for People Fleeing Zionist War Atrocities' It will make it clear beyond any doubt to EU policy makers, who they should send the bill too. Good idea Goldie!

[Neuro]

No doubt, for any extreme psuedo-science views found in their past they will face internment in concentration reprogramming to euro wearing spandex bathing suit camps that serve Big Macs bought with EBT cards.

Maybe they stole a bicycle from the kid down the block at age 12 and its listed on their permanent record, then it's straight to the license plate factory for life.

Just so long as they don't build funky looking cottage cheese cabins, planting vineyards for fermented highs or trying to sell spinal readjustment as a good thing in my backyard, I'm o.k.

Christ next they'd be trying to tax the air that I exhale if that happened.
You have interesting fantasies Hornstein. You have a great future in psychotherapy!

[Horn]

Hornstein. You have a great future in psychotherapy!

Probono no gratuity is necessary.

[Neuro]

Probono no gratuity is necessary.
If you think you can convince someone to take you on on those terms, why not... Maybe a psychology student needing to do a write up?

[Horn]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2znhmd_the-moody-blues-om-hd-in-search-of-the-lost-chord_music

[Glass]

Long thread this one. Can't re-read it all. I got to thinking about the whole Flat Earth, Geocentric earth. Apart from the shape of the earth the concepts both include some centiricity ideas.

One of the major elements of FE is that the stars never change position or location despite the Earth moving at 72,000kms/45,000mls per hour. Not Rotating. Moving through "space". The lights in the sky, the constellations remain the same despite that fact that we are moving very quickly. The maps of these things have not needed to be adjusted.

The Sun is said to be moving away from some where which may be the galactic or universal centre. The place where the big bang started. And all of the universe is doing this expansion.

so are all these objects travelling in the same direction we are or are some of them going in other directions. You would conclude, using logic that everything is moving away from everything else AND that some things will travel along with us, some till stay with us but some will gradually move futher away because they are travelling out from a central point.

Giza was built 2560 B.C. according to modern written history.
That means 4575 years have expired since they were built. They say it took 20 years.
The Sun and Earth are moving outwards from the centre at 72,000kms per hour.
The Sun and Earth have travelled 2,885,544,000,000 kilometers OR 180,346,500,000 miles in 4575 years
The Sun and Earth are travelling towards Lamda Herculis
Lamda herculis is adjacent to Cygnus.

Based on what science is telling us it appears the Giza pyramids are indicating where we are headed in the universe. Towards Cygnus near lambda Herculis.

the Lamda Herculis is:
12,677,740,000,000,000 kms
or
7,923,587,500,000,000 miles away

It will take us 20,100,424.91 more years to get there.

[Glass]

I thnk I've got myself a bit tangled up tring to work out where Orion is and Cygnus in relation to each other. I might have to come back to my previous post on distances travelled etc because it might not indicate where we are going after all.

I need my copy of Stellarium.

Coincidence. I looked back at the search results for "Orion Cygnus" looking for information on the correlation.

I found an article on The Cygnus Giza Vs Orion Correlation. A search of this thread does not give up the author so chances are this has not been posted. If it has, apologies.

He authored a book called "The Cygnus Mystery". Singular mentions the work that got this guy going in post #178 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?76792-Pyramids-and-The-Orion-Belt-(mind-blowing)&p=705162&viewfull=1#post705162)This was a BBC documentary.

[Horn]

this is a long page at the link.

http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html

use the arrow at bottom right rather than destroying yur mouswheel.

[Glass]

ok I am back on track, I have edited post #789 to replace the words Orions Belt with Cygnus. That gets us back on track.

If the pyramids match Cygnus and they appear to and it is the direction earth is travelling.

The next interesting thing is that in those 4500 years the position of the Cygnus constellation appears to be unmoved.

Back to Andrews tale:
http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/Cygnus_Orion_Giza.htm


So now it seemed that for Rodney the 'wing' stars of Cygnus, linked to the plateau through its associations with the cult of Sokar - a falcon-headed god of the dead who presided over Rostau, ancient Giza, and was the earthly counterpart of the celestial sky falcon god dwn-'nwy - could be superimposed over the three main pyramids. Was this simply coincidence? Had it been by grand design, created by the great architect of the Great Pyramid, or was the cosmic joker at work here? The simple answer is that neither of us could be sure. However, I decided to publish these controversial findings in THE CYGNUS MYSTERY. Naturally, there was a certain amount of hesitation, but I wanted for the Cygnus-Giza ground-sky alignment to speak for itself.

Strangely, Adriano Forgione the editor of Italy's HERA magazine told me that a while back a young reader had written to the letters' page asking whether it was possible that the stars of Cygnus created a better ground-sky match than those of Orion's belt. Why exactly this person should have suggested this is unclear, and Adriano is unable now to find his name. Still, it was a sign that I was doing something right.

http://www.andrewcollins.com/pics/Giza,%20Cygnus%20&%20Orion_resized.jpg

A few more paragraphs to discuss the positioning, some more overlay images based on different ground maps.

THE PROPER MOTION OF STARS
One serious criticism of the Cygnus-Giza correlation related to the idea of a star's proper motion. This is the slow drift of extra-galactic stars against the background of other stars caused either by its movement in relation to its own galaxy, or because of earlier near collisions with other stars or stellar objects. It was a valid point, and so a check on the proper motion of Cygnus's key stars produced the following slow movements in any one year against the stellar background:

Alpha Cygni
RA: 0.003 arcsec/a or mas/yr
DEC: 0.002

Beta Cygni
RA: 0.002
DEC: -0.002

Delta Cygni
RA: 0.053
DEC: 0.047

Gamma Cygni
RA: 0,004
DEC: 0

Epsilon Cygni
RA: 356.16
DEC: 330.28


When this data is translated on to a map of the Cygnus constellation, the following takes place over the 4,000 year period from 2000 BC to AD 2000:
http://www.andrewcollins.com/pics/Cygnus_proper_motion_since_2000BC_low.jpg

e proper motion of the principal stars of Cygnus over a period of 4,000 years,
from 2000 AD back to 2000 BC, using the Home Planet program (Pic credit: Rodney Hale)
http://www.andrewcollins.com/pics/Giza,%20Cygnus%20now%20and%20-2000%20HP%20small%20pyramid%20only.JPG

As is plain to see, the shift is minimal, and does in no way change anything regarding the original proposal of the Cygnus-Giza correlation. The other two Cygnus 'wing' stars, delta Cygni, corresponding with the Great Pyramid, and Sadr (gamma Cygni), corresponding with the Second Pyramid, move so little that it is unnoticeable on a small scale map of the pyramid field. We are, however, not leaving the matter here. Rodney Hale and I shall continue to examine other astronomical programs that provide the proper motion of stars, and check to see whether they correspond with the shifts in position offered here.


The gist of all of this, Is that the positions of the stars should vary very little if at all, because this is the direction earth is travelling.

The Pyramids could be telling us where we are going not just matching a pattern in the sky.

Next question is, which way are those stars in that constellation travelling. Same direction as we are? Towards us? Out in another direction from Big Bang Central?

If they are travelling in the same direction as us, how did they get to be so far away? Big bang, same instant, everything travelling outwards with the same source energy? Swings and roundabouts I suppose.

[singular_me]

Glass, will look into all this tomorrow as I will have a 36H online straight connection.

[Neuro]

ok I am back on track, I have edited post #789 to replace the words Orions Belt with Cygnus. That gets us back on track.

If the pyramids match Cygnus and they appear to and it is the direction earth is travelling.

The Pyramids could be telling us where we are going not just matching a pattern in the sky.

Next question is, which way are those stars in that constellation travelling. Same direction as we are? Towards us? Out in another direction from Big Bang Central?

If they are travelling in the same direction as us, how did they get to be so far away? Big bang, same instant, everything travelling outwards with the same source energy? Swings and roundabouts I suppose.
Horn posted a map of the galaxy earlier in this thread. It shows the Cygnus constellation being in the same in between arms of the galaxy as we are, so most probably Cygnus probably moves in the same direction as we are and probably at a similar speed. Stars are far away because our galaxy is fucking huge and most of it is empty space, and we are in the less densely star populated outskirts, and not in one of the main arms at that...

[Glass]

Horn posted a map of the galaxy earlier in this thread. It shows the Cygnus constellation being in the same in between arms of the galaxy as we are, so most probably Cygnus probably moves in the same direction as we are and probably at a similar speed. Stars are far away because our galaxy is fucking huge and most of it is empty space, and we are in the less densely star populated outskirts, and not in one of the main arms at that...

I don't see Horns posts because of ignore.

that we are moving towards that direction, which may change relative to the universe centre but not relative to us. Seems like we will never get there. Of if we do they will not be there. It's possible we have arrived already where they have been regardless of if they are going in a circle or straight out from centre.

I guess we need some other deep into the centre or right across the other side focal point to determine if we are moving and which way. Although determining distance between two points becomes problematical when they are so far away and no fixed reference point exists.

Was the ejection from the singularity a straight line ejection or did the singularity have a spin on it?

[Neuro]

I don't see Horns posts because of ignore.

that we are moving towards that direction, which may change relative to the universe centre but not relative to us. Seems like we will never get there. Of if we do they will not be there. It's possible we have arrived already where they have been regardless of if they are going in a circle or straight out from centre.

I guess we need some other deep into the centre or right across the other side focal point to determine if we are moving and which way. Although determining distance between two points becomes problematical when they are so far away and no fixed reference point exists.

Was the ejection from the singularity a straight line ejection or did the singularity have a spin on it?
First of all the motions of stars in our galaxy is independent from any movement from the Big Bang, which is only a theory, based on observed red shifts of galaxies that are very far away, billions of light years. The redshifts can be explained by very far away objects by necessity have to be supermassive (otherwise we wouldn't be able to observe them), thus the redshift may be due to a gravity effect on the light being emitted from these objects/galaxies, not because they are expanding away from us.

Nevertheless whether Big Bang theory is correct or not, the movement of stars in our galaxy is irrelevant to a supposed expansion of the universe. Stars circle the center of the galaxy. I think electric universe theory is correct when it states that the vortex in the center of the Galaxy is created electromagnetically and positively charged plasma is pulled in from one side and negatively charged particles are sucked in from the other side. Electrons unite with protons. Hydrogen is created in the wildly spinning plasma cloud, and neutrally charged hydrogen atoms get flung out as they aren't affected by the electromagnetic field, as it cools the clouds condense and increasingly sized droplets are attracted to each other gravitationally, and/or electrically, eventually form stars and as they get bigger they get flung out further, in the center of the Galaxy their is no gravity, just like in the center of the earth, because you have equal mass on all sides, the further out in the Galaxy you go more gravity will pull towards the center, but you still have the kinetic energy from the vortex flinging you outwards. Our sun is a third or fourth generation star of our galaxy, meaning it has been formed by previous supernovas after the fuel the hydrogen has expired, that is why you have a relative abundance of heavier elements in our solar system, and you have a relative abundance of these types of stars in the outskirts of the Galaxy vs the inner circles. Life is an impossibility in the center of the galaxy, as these star systems don't have an abundance of heavy elements, and the radiation is a bitch. Our neighborhood is much more pleasant! The further out you go the gravity pulling towards the center of the Galaxy reduces. So we are probably in an expanding galaxy but perhaps not an expanding universe, but any star in our vicinity (visible to us) would move in the same general direction in the long term, in the short medium term though it is more complicated as stars tend to move around each other's in gravitational star clusters.

it makes sense to me anyway... :)

[Horn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMKGjFk1DfM

[singular_me]

Hancock speaks of Göbekli Tepe being built 11,600 years ago, now watching...

[singular_me]

I wish there were more people like you participating in such a thread, Glass. We would exchange at data a much faster pace instead of wasting energy and time trying to justify the need for a new archeological model taking very ancient civilizations into account. Much too draining as I have other creative things to do, but congrats on your resilience.

I never considered the cygnus connection and after a quick search, I can tell there are many links on the subject, such as this one below...


.... The Egyptian Complex, and the series of lines in Scotland, which are often located close to major religious centers in Scotland, reveal a common relative angle of rotation from due north. The two patterns also create an identical spatial overlap with one another. Furthermore, analysis of the stars of the constellation Cygnus show that most stars travel by both the correct distance, and the correct direction to match the drawn pattern. The exception is one star location that is located in the vicinity of an ancient Nova event. The difference in location between current star positions and the locations described by both the Scottish sites and the Giza Pyramids produces an estimated age for the pattern at between 10,000 to 15,000 years before present. Intriguingly, drawing a modern astronomical map to the specific angle identified by the Scotland and Giza sites, aligns the stars to the shape of the continents. Though not in anyway proving that the lines in Scotland are actual geoglyphs, the analysis here gives a possible reason for the observed alignment of the Pyramids to the constellation Cygnus (2), with the pattern drawn over Scotland then marking the beginning of the Milky Way.
http://www.midnightsciencejournal.com/2011/03/01/the-giza-pyramid-earth-map/


http://www.midnightsciencejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2016-July-Website-Ad-Page-The-Long-Journey2-201x300.jpg

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I am keeping that one for later, havent seen it yet but that most religions are mere astro-theology will never go away, I am afraid. Everything is connected. Cavemen could never have known about this.


Published on May 14, 2013
Andrew Collins discusses his book The Cygnus Mystery -- Unlocking the Ancient Secret of Life's Origins in the Cosmos.

For 17,000 years the constellation of Cygnus, the celestial swan, otherwise known as the Northern Cross, has fascinated the world. It has defined the layout of ancient stone and earthern structures both in the new world and ancient world. Its cruciform star pattern is probably behind the root symbols of major religions, including Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Orphism. Cygnus might even have defined the placement on the ground of the Pyramids of Giza. Why has this one constellation had such an impact on humanity?

The answers provided by Andrew are ground-breaking, suggesting that in addition to its importance as the marker of the north celestial pole 17,000 years ago, Cygnus's placement on the Milky Way made it easy to imagine as the destination of souls in death, and the center of our cosmological universe. Beyond this is the sheer possibility that inbound cosmic rays from the Cygnus constellation might well have been influencing human evolution for tens of thousands of years, a fact somehow dimly recognised by our distant ancestors.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W80iQe9hRUo





ok I am back on track, I have edited post #789 to replace the words Orions Belt with Cygnus. That gets us back on track.

If the pyramids match Cygnus and they appear to and it is the direction earth is travelling.

The next interesting thing is that in those 4500 years the position of the Cygnus constellation appears to be unmoved.

Back to Andrews tale:
http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/Cygnus_Orion_Giza.htm



A few more paragraphs to discuss the positioning, some more overlay images based on different ground maps.


The gist of all of this, Is that the positions of the stars should vary very little if at all, because this is the direction earth is travelling.

The Pyramids could be telling us where we are going not just matching a pattern in the sky.

Next question is, which way are those stars in that constellation travelling. Same direction as we are? Towards us? Out in another direction from Big Bang Central?

If they are travelling in the same direction as us, how did they get to be so far away? Big bang, same instant, everything travelling outwards with the same source energy? Swings and roundabouts I suppose.

[Neuro]

It should have been obvious to you Eons ago in this thread, that the Pyramids internal positioning didn't fit the stars of Orion's Belt.

However if it fits the Cygnus constellation perfectly at aprox. 2000 BC, when in that case do you think they were built? 10,000 BC? Perhaps you need to go back to your chamber and recalculate time frames and figure out which ancient civilization may have built it.

http://www.andrewcollins.com/pics/Giza,%20Cygnus%20&%20Orion_resized.jpg

But this is probably good enough reason for you to discard the Cygnus-theory...

[singular_me]

we learn ever day... but you didnt mention this either, or did you.

Like I said, so much energy spent to speak to you about the very likely pre-deluvian civilizations is so draining that I cannot think efficiently. Not your fault, rather mine for thinking that you might one day have an epiphany.

In a civil discourse, this would have popped up pages earlier. However, I am being honest here, yes, and thank you Glass for offering me a new piece of the puzzle. Keep it up!!

how fast are you here to draw conclusions... that doesnt mean that an extra-terrestrial civilization didnt intervene or that the investigation can be closed... what do you make of Horn's link above??

That doesnt resolve the mystery of the pyramids, and you will never win that one using mainstream archeology, sorry dear




It should have been obvious to you Eons ago in this thread, that the Pyramids internal positioning didn't fit the stars of Orion's Belt.

However if it fits the Cygnus constellation perfectly at aprox. 2000 BC, when in that case do you think they were built? 10,000 BC? Perhaps you need to go back to your chamber and recalculate time frames and figure out which ancient civilization may have built it.

http://www.andrewcollins.com/pics/Giza,%20Cygnus%20&%20Orion_resized.jpg

But this is probably good enough reason for you to discard the Cygnus-theory...

[Neuro]

Horn what exactness? The stars of Orions belt doesn't fit pyramids exactly, the angulation differs by a few degrees...

Goldie, I pointed this out in the thread on the 4/20-2014. However astrotheology isn't a great interest of mine, but I have aknowledged that the ancient Egyptians probably thought it important...

A couple of days prior to that date Horn posted a link suggesting Cygnus would be a better fit.

Now you have an astrotheological date that perfectly fit the Cygnus constellation, around the time when mainstream science suggests the pyramids were built.

Personally, I would prefer a construction date that is closer to 2000 BC rather than 2600 BC, as it would be chronologically closer to the time when the Hittites supposedly discovered the process of making and forging iron. This could have been an occult knowledge among Egyptians prior to the Hittites "invention". Having iron tools would certainly better explain the ability of the Egyptians to shave off the huge granite slabs in Aswan.

[Neuro]

There is a very small likelihood of a "pre-diluvian" civilization, as there is no archeological evidence of it. Nothing!

And I have epiphanies quite frequently. Sometimes even from conversing with you, not just in the direction you prefer me to get insight in. You learn as long as you live, aye? Usually more from having your pet theories challenged outside your comfort zone.

[crimethink]

Having iron tools would certainly better explain the ability of the Egyptians to shave off the huge granite slabs in Aswan.

http://www.ancient-code.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ALIEN-BUILDERS-SUPERVISING-EGYPTIAN-GIZA-PYRAMID-CONSTRUCTION.jpg

:rolleyes:

[crimethink]

There is a very small likelihood of a "pre-diluvian" civilization, as there is no archeological evidence of it. Nothing!

There are anomalous artifacts found underwater at various places in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonaguni_Monument

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimini_Road

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_underwater_city

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_archeology_in_the_Gulf_of_Khambhat

There are lots of artifacts in the Mediterranean in shallow waters...not dropped there, but submerged at where they were built.

[Neuro]

There are anomalous artifacts found underwater at various places in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonaguni_Monument

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimini_Road

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_underwater_city

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_archeology_in_the_Gulf_of_Khambhat

There are lots of artifacts in the Mediterranean in shallow waters...not dropped there, but submerged at where they were built.
Also at Black Sea. It has been postulated that around 10-12,000 years ago, as the ice age ended and the glaciers melted the Black sea was not connected to the mediterranean, and was a lake some hundred meters below Mediterranean sea level. Then there was a gigantic earthquake, that created what is today the Bosphorus strait connection between Black Sea, Marmara Lake and the Mediterranean. And with intense pressure the salty water started flowing into the Black Sea, eroding the straight rapidly. It has been reported that in a few years time the entire Black sea was leveled with the Mediterranean, and many settlement close to the previous shore were buried for ever. Some even claim that the legend of Noah comes from this event...

The interesting thing is that the Black Sea has the top 60 meters (200 feet) consisting of oxygenated brackish water, where you have life, below that there is a distinct layer of salty water which does not mix with the brackish water above, thus no oxygen and no life. There is virtually no micro organisms below 60 meters, that would break down organic material, so they have found well preserved settlements in this layer between 60-100 meters. But afaik primitive settlements, nothing advanced. But there hasn't really been much of exploration of this area.

Apart from this I read your links. Nothing I would consider strong evidence of advanced pre-diluvuan civilizations, but interesting nonetheless.

Göbekle Tepe is very interesting though in that it was built more than 11,000 years ago, when according to most paleontologists and archeologists agriculture had barely begun, but today's Turkey was definitely in the forefront of the agricultural revolution. No-one has much knowledge about the nature and how and why it was constructed. And then it was covered, not to be seen for millennia.

[Horn]

There is a very small likelihood of a "pre-diluvian" civilization, as there is no archeological evidence of it. Nothing!

And I have epiphanies quite frequently.

There was that totalitarian dictatorship thing, when given the moderator position. I have yet to see any epiphany evidence since...:)

[Neuro]

There was that totalitarian dictatorship thing, when given the moderator position. I have yet to see any epiphany evidence since...:)
You really do have a soft skin Hon. I didn't know you were SO fragile...

Electric universe theory doesn't count? You passed it to me... Most are not that groundbreaking though. What epiphanies did you experience the last years then? Apart from the relief of me relenting my totalitarian powers over your epiphanies perhaps?

Maybe we have a different definition of Epiphany...

Apart from that, is it a celebration in your group of people? I wished you a happy Epiphany, but you never replied back. Perhaps you didn't understand what it meant? :)

[Horn]

Horn puts the lotion on its skin, waits for predeluvian epiphanys...

only some lost secrets of the stone show..

[ximmy]

Horn puts the lotion on its skin, waits for predeluvian epiphanys...

only some lost secrets of the stone show..


Here you go...

In Bimini there's a temple that is rising from the sea
In Iberia the language of the Basques a mystery
The Tiahuanaco ruins, a secret closed to men
Canary Island legends, and don't forget Stonehenge

[Horn]

the Basques is true, i happened into a group of young ones on the beach, they spoke 4 different languages fluently.

None of which appeared recognizable to anyone who spoke those languages...:)

Portuguese is straight from the moon.

[Dogman]

Astronomy wise Orion is total eye candy. One of the most beautiful! And the Orion nebula is breathtaking!

[Horn]

Astronomy wise Orion is total eye candy. One of the most beautiful! And the Orion nebula is breathtaking!

I can see him rise almost directly east this time of year is a huge spread just when rising takes up near 1/2 of one horizon.

[Neuro]

Here you go...

In Bimini there's a temple that is rising from the sea
In Iberia the language of the Basques a mystery
The Tiahuanaco ruins, a secret closed to men
Canary Island legends, and don't forget Stonehenge

What? No advanced pre-diluvian metal alloys?

However the Basque separateness is interesting... Goldie claims she is part Basque, maybe that's the reason no-one understands her language... :)

[Neuro]

I can see him rise almost directly east this time of year is a huge spread just when rising takes up near 1/2 of one horizon.

I wonder why the fuck no-one built any pyramids to honor Orion?

;D

[Horn]

I wonder why the fuck no-one built any pyramids to honor Orion?

;D

How do we know Orion has not gained weight and loosened his belt somewhat in the past 12000 years?

[Neuro]

How do we know Orion has not gained weight and loosened his belt somewhat in the past 12000 years?
But, but, buttons on your underwear...

It would come to us in a flash, if, when, one of the buttons explodes... As for the movement of the stars inside the belt, I think it has already been dealt with earlier in the thread, and if anything it suggests an even greater assymetry between pyramidal position vs starbelt in the past, further the kink is in the wrong direction, you got to mirror image the map of the pyramids for it to get an imperfect fit...

[singular_me]

this is a typical left brain post

1) metal alloys is a diversion. Today we are still unable to copycat the egyptian pyramids with our own technology. And we are talking of the so-called bronze age. Stone and rocks will always remain materials of choice as they can resist time much longer than any metal.

2) attacking the poster instead of accepting that mainstream archeology is filled with black holes, hence deceptive on purpose considering all the world hoaxes that we already are aware of

the cygnus possibility doesnt change the resolution of the enigma: I am listening to the video that I posted myself yesterday. Obviously the so-called bronze age people knew something that mainstream astronomers prefer to pass under the rug. It is very possible that the egyptian pyramids were built based on that knowledge that was already around 12-10,000 ago, meaning that cygnus didnt need to be right above them back then. Predeluvian civilizations just knew about the alignment.

FROM UTUBE PAGE:
For 17,000 years the constellation of Cygnus, the celestial swan, otherwise known as the Northern Cross, has fascinated the world. It has defined the layout of ancient stone and earthern structures both in the new world and ancient world.... The answers provided by Andrew are ground-breaking, suggesting that in addition to its importance as the marker of the north celestial pole 17,000 years ago, Cygnus's placement on the Milky Way

Unlike you, Glass (and Horn) can prove me wrong at any time as he has demonstrated in many occasions that he will consider data ignored or dismissed by the academic cartel



What? No advanced pre-diluvian metal alloys?

However the Basque separateness is interesting... Goldie claims she is part Basque, maybe that's the reason no-one understands her language... :)

[crimethink]

What? No advanced pre-diluvian metal alloys?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orichalcum

An alloy "from Atlantis."

[Neuro]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orichalcum

An alloy "from Atlantis."

Essentially it appears from the Wikipedia description to be a bronze or brass type alloy, which have been around for what 4-6000 years?

[Neuro]

Unlike you, Glass (and Horn) can prove me wrong at any time as he has demonstrated in many occasions that he will consider data ignored or dismissed by the academic cartel
Unlike you I don't dismiss data. I don't consider a youtube video full of unsupported opinion, data, while ignoring data that doesn't support your current bias whatever it may be. If you had considered the FACT that Orion belt actually is a poor fit to the pyramids, almost three years ago. But that is your fucking problem you don't listen to reason!

Even Hancock himself has abandoned his ideas the pyramids are 12,000 years old.

For certain there is plenty of pitfalls and plenty of examples of outright lying and distortions of the truth in modern academia, particular in fields such as cosmology, quantum physics, economics, psychology, social/political science, medicine, history. However to suggest that everything in established science is based on fraud or collusion is really insane, and shows a complete lack of discernment.

Also to suggest that I would be an ardent defender and suporter of mainstream academia is a complete fabrication, but I think that is mostly attributed to your own creative psyche. I don't think you mean to lie.

[singular_me]

Me insane because obviously you are not enough aware of the type of people, investigators, I'd rather band with?

“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” ― George Orwell, 1984

mankind history has been falsified for a very long time.

I dont value hancock, he is a controlled opposition.
.



Unlike you I don't dismiss data. I don't consider a youtube video full of unsupported opinion, data, while ignoring data that doesn't support your current bias whatever it may be. If you had considered the FACT that Orion belt actually is a poor fit to the pyramids, almost three years ago. But that is your fucking problem you don't listen to reason!

Even Hancock himself has abandoned his ideas the pyramids are 12,000 years old.

For certain there is plenty of pitfalls and plenty of examples of outright lying and distortions of the truth in modern academia, particular in fields such as cosmology, quantum physics, economics, psychology, social/political science, medicine, history. However to suggest that everything in established science is based on fraud or collusion is really insane, and shows a complete lack of discernment.

Also to suggest that I would be an ardent defender and suporter of mainstream academia is a complete fabrication, but I think that is mostly attributed to your own creative psyche. I don't think you mean to lie.

[Neuro]

Me insane because obviously you are not enough aware of the type of people, investigators, I'd rather band with?

No but I am aware of what you tell of me, essentially nothing I have said in the past can lead you to make those interpretations, apart from a creative psyche, or intentional lying. Perhaps I am mistaken, but I prefer to judge you according to an essentially good hearted but delusional character, rather than a cold hearted liar, trying to score points. Seriously I don't know which one it is
“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” ― George Orwell, 1984

Fantastic! As you may have noticed I also quote frequently from George Orwell, 1984. Especially when making comparisons with mainstream media reporting

mankind history has been falsified for a very long time.
I really do agree with this statement. This thread is a good example. You started it with Hancocks theory that the Giza pyramids was built in their positions 12,000 years ago, based on evidence that it exactly matched the position of Orion's Belt at sunrise at spring equinox. It was pointed out that the positions were actually a mirror image and at that not very exact, which in itself should be remarkable to any critical thinker who touts proof that the pyramids were built according to remarkable levels of precision.

For certain there are many much more important falsifications of history. Hancock is nothing more than a paranthesis if that even. The last hundred years of official geopolitical history is almost all a complete fabrication. FRB (to prevent boom bust cycles), Bolshevik Revolution (Wall Street Bankers), Great Depression (FRB), Holomodor(suppression), Holocaust (Eradication of typhus in German concentration camps), Eisenhower (death camps), UN (for world control) JFK (patsies), EU (freedom of movement) Vaccines (Brain damage) Coloured revolutions (Soros world control)

I dont value hancock, he is a controlled opposition.
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Yes he is, yet you spent hundreds of posts in this thread defending him and his theories, against me and others who had the audacity to point out his factual errors. How about you owe up to your mistakes here?

[Horn]

But, but, buttons on your underwear...

It would come to us in a flash, if, when, one of the buttons explodes... As for the movement of the stars inside the belt, I think it has already been dealt with earlier in the thread, and if anything it suggests an even greater assymetry between pyramidal position vs starbelt in the past, further the kink is in the wrong direction, you got to mirror image the map of the pyramids for it to get an imperfect fit...

Here we are again at the totalitarian dictatorship epiphany.

[Neuro]

Here we are again at the totalitarian dictatorship epiphany.

Go on a summer camp holiday perhaps to get some perspective in your SJW life Hon. I hope I don't offend your sensitive personality by suggesting North Korea. :) It would sure be an epiphany. Send us a note when you can... ;D

[Horn]

No-one has much knowledge about the nature and how and why it was constructed. And then it was covered, not to be seen for millennia.

Like an antediluvian civilization were protecting a valued site from a great deluge?

[Horn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y22YMN4goxk

[Horn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f33TKf1SZ58

[Neuro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y22YMN4goxk

Strange, I am looking for images of "straight cut rocks" or "polished rocks" "of Göbeklitepe" and I find nothing that would be similar to the images of the rocks presented in that video. The color of the stone is not the same even, the stones at Göbekli tepe are yellow beige orange, probably sandstone, these were grey blue black, probably granite...

Apart from that the voice of the Russian translator/narrator is awful. I think this most certainly is a fraud, not even a good one. No discernment at all.

[singular_me]

Hancock has done a decent job most of his life but now his fame allows the academic cartel to control him, so he is backtracking a little bit from earlier statements. It is not because his pov changes that I will change my own pov. I mainly have used hancok because he is one of the most mainstream among the rebels, likewise it was a bad move.

So now you want to make a point, because cygnus provides a better background than orion. I have no problem with that, but again, I am asserting that it does not resolve the core issue, that pyramids are much older than what the mainstream claims, that we cannot replicate them with our own technology today is an absolute proof. You keep looking at external factors (orion vs cygnus) to sweep under the rug what is the most important in this topic: the real ages of the pyramids. You also swipe under the rug that bronze age people could NOT have such a knowledge in astronomy, whether would it be orion or cygnus, it doesnt matter.

So stick to the delusion/lies of mainstream archeology, what else can I say.

Me deluded for believing that electricity governs thoughts and encouraging all human theories (unification of all theories) to follow the its natural laws to espouse non harmful findings for society? You have a mindset that refuses to look into any out of the box thinking, and will rather endorse the mainstream because of that, even if you find yourself at odds with it on many other levels. The agenda is just working fine for you.

but you surely do not see anything delusional when people associated black people do the biblical beasts and that aryans are the chosen ones: If Adam and his family were the only humans on Earth, where did Cain get his wife? From the two-legged beasts of the field, of course. (this to show your own so-called selective ability to judge who on here is or not delusional). Such statement doesnt throw you off. Good. No wonder that we do not agree. And never will.

like I told you many times, to each his town, and the fact that you so are dedicated to detract any threads dealing with cosmic and earthly mysteries tells a lot about your left brain patterns. These threads are not your cup of tea? so just stay away from them. Simple.

You do not see either that the sumarians being aware of the exact number of planets in our solar system and the fibonacci sequence is an anomaly proving that were are being lied to. You do not want to go there, that is your right but then leave alone the truth seekers.

[Neuro]

You want to believe that the astonishingly precisioned pyramids, were built much longer ago than 2000BC when they were less perfectly aligned with Cygnus?

;D

Your rationale for that belief is?


;D

[Neuro]

Goldie, how many cats do you have?


but you surely do not see anything delusional when people associated black people do the biblical beasts and that aryans are the chosen ones: If Adam and his family were the only humans on Earth, where did Cain get his wife? From the two-legged beasts of the field, of course. (this to show you own so-called selective ability to judge who on here is or not delusional). Such statement doesnt throw you off. Good. No wonder that we do not agree. And never will.

This is another example of you being delusional. I never took the words of the Old Testament as literal stories. You have made it up in your batshit crazy brain that I believe that.

You want me to answer to your made up psychotic fantasies of what I believe?

[Horn]

Strange, I am looking for images of "straight cut rocks" or "polished rocks" "of Göbeklitepe" and I find nothing that would be similar to the images of the rocks presented in that video. The color of the stone is not the same even, the stones at Göbekli tepe are yellow beige orange, probably sandstone, these were grey blue black, probably granite...

Apart from that the voice of the Russian translator/narrator is awful. I think this most certainly is a fraud, not even a good one. No discernment at all.

I dont think those flat rocks were specifically from Tepe, but somewhere other sites in Turkey for the "Hittite" portion.

What she does well is explain many of the other obvious items about Tepe, like it were re-supported and buried afterwards, the main columns being their own free standing items.

The National geographic video is her contrast, those dudes are the fraud. One archaeologist in that video carves a relief on a 2 foot piece of stone then bases the entire project off that amount of time it took him.. when Tepe's columns would need to be entirely relieved.

Tepe's columns and footers themselves appear too well preserved, level and refined to me to be 12k

If it were, it is alien of high construction knowledge/technology, the foundations alone a miracle. Their freestanding nature would suggest a site under constant surveillance and maintenance. Po-po and all that advanced civilization requires in support of them, larger than religious even.

[Neuro]

I dont think those flat rocks were specifically from Tepe, but somewhere other sites in Turkey.

What she does well is explain many of the other obvious items about Tepe, like it were re-supported and buried afterwards, the main columns being their own free standing items.

I see, to show the marvels of Göbekli tepe, she shows marvelous machined straight angle cut polished rocks from modern quarries. I watched for 15 minutes and I don't think it was pointed out that these rocks were not from Göbekli tepe.

I would say this though, if indeed the radiocarbon dating is correct and Göbekli tepe was constructed almost 12,000 years ago. Which is probably around the time or several hundred years before nomadic hunter-gatherers started settling down in homesteads doing farming (which pretty much was where it started first in the world. I would keep my mind open to a divine or alien intervention, constructing these temples, for the very purpose of making people congregate there, even breed a new species and teach them agriculture.

However the carved figures seems incredibly well preserved for being almost 12,000 years old, even if they were exposed to the atmosphere for only 2000 years, the stone looks soft, like sandstone, which tends to erode more quickly than say granite.

[Horn]

She visits Tepe around 25 minutes in, the other portions of the video are explaining evidence from some all other sites in Turkey. I admit she does appear to be in some kind of promotion mode in the front of the video.

Does a bad job of mission promoting as most Russians do, often completely upside down in our view should be at the end of the video.

[Horn]

However the carved figures seems incredibly well preserved for being almost 12,000 years old, even if they were exposed to the atmosphere for only 2000 years, the stone looks soft, like sandstone, which tends to erode more quickly than say granite.

Right, a place that if used for anything whatsoever were constantly refreshed maintained, like the capitol bldg. in D.C. Then supported and buried all at once.

[Neuro]

Right, a place that if used for anything whatsoever were constantly refreshed maintained, like the capitol bldg. in D.C. Then supported and buried all at once.

Yes, possible! Or it is newer...

[Horn]

Yes, possible! Or it is newer...

That does not explain its buried protection from the 12k yr. old great deluge, that you are positive to have occurred... Obi Wan.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DydGpOCuKt4/hqdefault.jpg

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/abrupt/images/data4-climate-changes-lg.gif

40 days and night were actually 144,000 days and nights to the antedilluvians. :)

[Neuro]

That does not explain its buried protection from the 12k yr. old great deluge, that you are positive to have occurred... Obi Wan.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DydGpOCuKt4/hqdefault.jpg

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/abrupt/images/data4-climate-changes-lg.gif

It seems odd to bury something before it was constructed, but maybe I am old fashioned...

[Horn]

It seems odd to bury something before it was constructed, but maybe I am old fashioned...

you missed the fresh water lag flux, 2nd wave bar at the bottom. First warm then flood.

and are also drifting back towards your totalitarian dictatorship epiphanies again...

[Horn]

makes u wonder, really.

some are not permanently attached at their base in most cases just freefloating slots in them.

http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/Enormous-T-shaped-pillars-gobekli-tepe.jpg?itok=s470M0qW

[singular_me]

I never said that you endorse the quote and you twist again what I am saying: in thread such as this one, your agenda is dedicated to the mainstream theory that pyramids were built 2500BC or so and consider any possibility of antideluvian societies as delusional... but you choose to ignore statements by other members that are really way over the top (ayran chosenites and black being devils). Split persona?

You know that it was the point I was willing to maket, and you have ran out of arguments again.

Unlike you I do not clog a thread when disagreeing on the premise so much.




Goldie, how many cats do you have?

This is another example of you being delusional. I never took the words of the Old Testament as literal stories. You have made it up in your batshit crazy brain that I believe that.

You want me to answer to your made up psychotic fantasies of what I believe?

[singular_me]

his entire inner world feels threatened by non-mainstream archeology for some reason. That is bizarre to say the least.



and are also drifting back towards your totalitarian dictatorship epiphanies again...

[Neuro]

makes u wonder, really.

some are not permanently attached at their base in most cases just freefloating slots in them.

http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/Enormous-T-shaped-pillars-gobekli-tepe.jpg?itok=s470M0qW

That is odd but perhaps it is due to erosion

[Neuro]

makes u wonder, really.

some are not permanently attached at their base in most cases just freefloating slots in them.

http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/Enormous-T-shaped-pillars-gobekli-tepe.jpg?itok=s470M0qW

True I guess it can be explained by erosion, maybe they piled up earth around it to keep it in position?

[Neuro]

I never said that you endorse the quote
You said that exactly!

[Horn]

True I guess it can be explained by erosion, maybe they piled up earth around it to keep it in position?

Or those are The spirit stones of the Bonesinger, made to float off and away from their pedestals.

Erosion is not evident, the slots were carved into the base for columns/pillars to free stand in.

Is actually the most prominent/important feature of Gobekli Tepe.

http://gobeklitepe.info/wp-content/uploads/Gobeklitepe_WHW_003.jpg

[Neuro]

like I told you many times, to each his town, and the fact that you so are dedicated to detract any threads dealing with cosmic and earthly mysteries tells a lot about your left brain patterns. These threads are not your cup of tea? so just stay away from them. Simple.

You do not see either that the sumarians being aware of the exact number of planets in our solar system and the fibonacci sequence is an anomaly proving that were are being lied to. You do not want to go there, that is your right but then leave alone the truth seekers.
"Truth seekers" that is not your purpose here, you are a disinformant and a shill, with the purpose here to poison the well with your batshit lunatic satanist theories. I am going to continue to expose your bloody lies, witch!

This thread title is how the pyramids are related to Orion. You have showed here that this doesn't matter to you, every argument against the theory is ignored with a totally unrelated issue inserted in its place.

Go and fuck yourself whore of Babylon!

[singular_me]

truth seeking is seeking the awareness of everything and yours absolutely rejects metaphysics to start with. Metaphysics in the bible starts with the Numbers in it. So if you dont want to go there, fine. I am digging. What is wrong with that? Anybody seeking to put a block on knowledge is not a truth seeker. So you are not one.

Your mindset comes straight out of the middle age (hence your line in bold) and would sent anybody like I to the stake. I am confident that aligning myself with people like mark twain and samuel adams, plato, phytagoras, krishnamurti, etc which too ALL agree that a HIGHER knowledge rules this planet that was not discovered by the first sapiens sapiens.

Mainstream archeology doesnt even have an answer for the rise of egyptian and sumerian civilizations appearing practically out of the blue, while in EU, they were still living in mud houses in 2500-5000bc. But we are taught to take it for granted. But obviously you do... I do NOT.

Now you jump on cygnus because you want to prove me wrong but in fact you will never question as how a bronze age civilization was aware of the astronomy involved. And when I started this thread that was what I had in mind. We have one topic and 2 ways to look at it, and you choose the mainstream way... while I, the intriguing and mind stretching approach.

So tell me **where** the egyptians, bronze age culture, got their math, would it be cygnus or orion ?

And if you have no idea, then case proven, threads such as this one are not your cup of tea and you should stay out of them.

Your middle-age type of insults are flying over my head, so you know. Glass and Horn and I on here are the 3 last remnants of real truth seekers, 2 dozens of them left - or fled - the forum a long wile ago. The topics I like to tackle were common occurrence on here when this site was launched.

So what is your point exactly? You want this forum to be anti-diversity skin color wise and/or pro-fundamentalism? I got that but I beg to differ, I am a ^pro-diversity in thought keeper^ on here. The day you go after Glass posting about numerology, maybe you will make more sense. Your selective witch hunt is irrational.


"Truth seekers" that is not your purpose here, you are a disinformant and a shill, with the purpose here to poison the well with your batshit lunatic satanist theories. I am going to continue to expose your bloody lies, witch!

This thread title is how the pyramids are related to Orion. You have showed here that this doesn't matter to you, every argument against the theory is ignored with a totally unrelated issue inserted in its place.

Go and fuck yourself whore of Babylon!

[singular_me]

You said that exactly!

where?

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?76792-Pyramids-and-The-Orion-Belt-(mind-blowing)&p=879657&viewfull=1#post879657
(this to show your own so-called selective ability to judge who on here is or not delusional)


mainstream archeology wants us to believe that

Neuro View Post
Having iron tools would certainly better explain the ability of the Egyptians to shave off the huge granite slabs in Aswan.

[singular_me]

talking of hancock, who is not my fav but who I regard as a good start when introducing the topic to clueless people, because he is well known, this vid posted by Horn raises so many questions about the past of humanity.

now listening


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMKGjFk1DfM

[Neuro]

truth seeking is seeking the awareness of everything and yours absolutely rejects metaphysics to start with. Metaphysics in the bible starts with the Numbers in it. So if you dont want to go there, fine. I am digging. What is wrong with that? Anybody seeking to put a block on knowledge is not a truth seeker. So you are not one.

Your mindset comes straight out of the middle age (hence your line in bold) and would sent anybody like I to the stake. I am confident that aligning myself with people like mark twain and samuel adams, plato, phytagoras, krishnamurti, etc which too ALL agree that a HIGHER knowledge rules this planet that was not discovered by the first sapiens sapiens.

What you call "higher knowledge" I call GOD, and no I don't need to align myself to others, to appreciate GOD. I see HIS presence in the creation! There is a pattern to the creation, which sometimes can be described mathematically, usually not

Mainstream archeology doesnt even have an answer for the rise of egyptian and sumerian civilizations appearing practically out of the blue, while in EU, they were still living in mud houses in 2500-5000bc. But we are taught to take it for granted. But obviously you do... I do NOT.

No you do not, because you fail to see that Egyptian and Sumerian civilization was following chronologically upon less advanced civilizations prior to there rise. You are if you are not a blatant disinformant a victim of your own stupidity and magical thinking.

Now you jump on cygnus because you want to prove me wrong but in fact you will never question as how a bronze age civilization was aware of the astronomy involved. And when I started this thread that was what I had in mind. We have one topic and 2 ways to look at it, and you choose the mainstream way... while I, the intriguing and mind stretching approach.

So tell me **where** the egyptians, bronze age culture, got their math, would it be cygnus or orion ?

And if you have no idea, then case proven, threads such as this one are not your cup of tea and you should stay out of them.

LOL, incredible, you are quoting measurements that the ancient Egyptians were using, but a) no-one actually knows how large they were, and b) the ancient Egyptians were in Egypt from
3500 BC onwards.

Further the Cygnus position fits the position of the pyramids perfectly at around 2000 BC, not before or after. Your three different beliefs re the pyramids i.e.
1) They were built with incredible precision
2) They are positioned according to the Cygnus constellation
3) They are way older than 5000 years
doesn't compute. It is a clear example of doublethink according to Orwells 1984.

You middle-age type of insults are flying over my head, so you know. Glass and Horn and I on here are the 3 last remnants of real truth seekers, 2 dozens of them left - or fled - the forum a long wile ago. The topics I like to tackle were common occurrence on here when this site was launched.

Interesting Glass had Horn on ignore earlier in this thread. For Glass I am not certain, but you and Horn has a main purpose on this site, and that is to disinform and distort truth. Most others here are truthseekers, but I am sure they appreciate to hear what you actually think of them.

So what is your point exactly? You want this forum to be anti-diversity skin color wise and/or pro-fundamentalism? I got that but I beg to differ, I am a ^pro-diversity in thought keeper^ on here. The day you go after Glass posting about numerology, maybe you will make more sense. Your selective witch hunt is irrational.
Rich. Since only a week ago I went after Glass numerology, and you came and defended him.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?94214-Are-the-Dominoes-Falling-for-Standard-Cosmology&p=878101#post878101

So here we go again with your creative versions of truth, or shall we say blatant lying. Go and fuck yourselves, lying whore of Babylon!

[singular_me]

you mean this one? (there are 11p and dont have the time to search it all

witch hunting or slap on the wrists
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?94214-Are-the-Dominoes-Falling-for-Standard-Cosmology&p=878120&viewfull=1#post878120

yawnnnnnnnn

I was more defending the mile unit as opposed to the Km






Rich. Since only a week ago I went after Glass numerology, and you came and defended him.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?94214-Are-the-Dominoes-Falling-for-Standard-Cosmology&p=878101#post878101

So here we go again with your creative versions of truth, or shall we say blatant lying. Go and fuck yourselves, lying whore of Babylon!

[Neuro]

you mean this one? (there are 11p and dont have the time to search it all

witch hunting or slap on the wrists
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?94214-Are-the-Dominoes-Falling-for-Standard-Cosmology&p=878120&viewfull=1#post878120

yawnnnnnnnn

I was more defending the mile unit as opposed to the Km
Why bother? Do as you always do and make up shit about me, and your other perceived opponents. Then post it as a defense to something completely unrelated that was debunked, which you prefer not to admit being wrong on.

Rinse and repeat...

Good strategy!

[Akasha]

Hey, great post. I will look into the Age of Leo. Fascinating. I'm so interested in the Precession of the Equinoxes.

[singular_me]

akasha... akashic records? :)

[Cebu_4_2]

akasha... akashic records? :)


http://marinaevansmusic.com/wp-content/uploads/records.jpg

[Horn]

Hey, great post. I will look into the Age of Leo. Fascinating. I'm so interested in the Precession of the Equinoxes.

They are easier to comprehend if you think of the Earth as a round globe.

[JDRock]

You REALLY want a freakout on this subject? Damon t berry Thats all you need to know.

[singular_me]

You REALLY want a freakout on this subject? Damon t berry Thats all you need to know.

thanks for sharing JDR

always open to new data... there is a reason why we vanish every 5000 years asserts the trailer... I'd say every 10-15K years instead. That was one of the real purposes of astrology, looking into the cycles of the cosmos. This knowledge shouldnt freak out anybody. If taught high schools it would bring about peace. It is the ignorance of the past that causes violence

THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE FOREVER TIME
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvI6MBlMf2gTMo0Qe3w143A/discussion

[JDRock]

thanks for sharing JDR

always open to new data... there is a reason why we vanish every 5000 years asserts the trailer... I'd say every 10-15K years instead. That was one of the real purposes of astrology, looking into the cycles of the cosmos. This knowledge shouldnt freak out anybody. If taught high schools it would bring about peace. It is the ignorance of the past that causes violence

THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE FOREVER TIME
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvI6MBlMf2gTMo0Qe3w143A/discussion the freakout is how hard "they" went after him for exposing this info.... the coast to coast show was off the chain good!

[Joshua01]

Yeah, I'm really freaked out:

Damon T. Berry, professional radio broadcaster who learned the art of screen writing and movie making at Walt Disney Company, presents a grossly over dramatized series of videos in which he touches upon the cycles of humanity and it's relation to ETs. Currently there are six videos, each about an hour long. Two more are to be released. Videos are freely available online.
"IN THIS FILM THERE ARE NO EXPERT COMMENTARIES, BECAUSE ALL THE EXPERTS IN THE WORLD AGREE ON ONLY ONE THING - THEY HAVE NO IDEA"
Damon claims all of which he is presenting in the videos was revealed to him when he touched a "holy Egyptian stone" of the Sphinx. This has occurred while he was in Egypt, working as media liaison for United States government, at the coalition base.

It was revealed to Damon human civilizations are cyclical. As one civilization progresses far enough, in a technological sense, a cataclysm occurs. Unless the civilization manages to leave, it gets destroyed. If it leaves, it has to go to the Sun, into the Sun, back to it's origin in Andromeda galaxy. There they meet the ETs which are actually them, their predecessors, who once also lived on Earth and have since moved on, to then return back to the planet Earth and help the next cycle of human civilization to develop.

Reminds me of a combination of Jim and Tammy Faye and the nutty professor!
You REALLY want a freakout on this subject? Damon t berry Thats all you need to know.

[Horn]

You guys can go to your commie Andromeda / heaven city if you want.

I'm splittin to Cygnus X1 for radiative warmth by myself.

Tired of listenin to y'all anyways...

https://youtu.be/QPU_7DEwPuM

[Horn]

this is a long page at the link.

http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html

use the arrow at bottom right rather than destroying yur mouswheel.

Even better on a 32" samsung monitor

[singular_me]

the day people begin to understand that truth is often delivered by the elites/insiders themselves, then the awakening will spread like wild fire.

Disney did a whole donald duck on sacred geometry once... does that negate the knowledge itself ??? of course not.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVTdRft-CGM

Most people are just too scared by esoteric and hidden knowledge because it forces them to see life differently, so they will tend to vilify or mock the knowledge itself as "do not go there". That is one of the strategies used by evil to protect itself. And it does wonders. Yes, mainstream experts have no idea because they have been too brainwashed

Do not learn that the universe is all about math and vibrations... meanwhile the ancient egyptians, sumerians, babylonians knew about it.... LOL... here is why science has become an absolute fraud for the most part, it does not work with the Universe/God anymore



Yeah, I'm really freaked out:

Reminds me of a combination of Jim and Tammy Faye and the nutty professor!

[old steel]

Haven't watched it still trying to make the time too.

Anyone else watch it?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq0aDf540M0&t=2s

[old steel]

Humans Evolved on Another Planet and Were Brought to Earth by Aliens

• In his 2013 book Humans Are Not From Earth, Dr Ellis Silver claims that his analysis of the evolution of the human race has brought him to the conclusion that human beings evolved elsewhere in the universe and were brought to Earth by an alien civilization.
• Evidence of this includes our sensitivity to sunlight, our wide array of diseases and ailments, and chronic backaches due to our originating from a darker planet with less gravity.
• Dr Silver believes that it is most likely that that Earth is acting as a ‘prison planet’, which would explain our violent nature as a species.

Or perhaps the Earth is a refuge for different human-type species fleeing planetary catastrophes, and were then genetically modified to acclimate to the Earth’s environment as hypothesized by others. And alternatively, our propensity for violence may be due to negative ET beings employing widespread mind control over the planet to foment war, fear and strife, in order to create a dark energy “loosh” for their own nourishment. Just saying.


http://exonews.org/humans-evolved-on-another-planet-and-were-brought-to-earth-by-aliens/

[Joshua01]

We're probably descendants of Martians. Do some poking around on what these rovers are photographing on Mars and then take a look at the huge gash across much of the planet. Something terrible happened there that destroyed all life and blew away it's atmosphere. The people who lived there may have seen it coming and had the ability to get outta Dodge before the SHTF! Who knows??? It's does seem plausible if you do enough research!
Humans Evolved on Another Planet and Were Brought to Earth by Aliens

• In his 2013 book Humans Are Not From Earth, Dr Ellis Silver claims that his analysis of the evolution of the human race has brought him to the conclusion that human beings evolved elsewhere in the universe and were brought to Earth by an alien civilization.
• Evidence of this includes our sensitivity to sunlight, our wide array of diseases and ailments, and chronic backaches due to our originating from a darker planet with less gravity.
• Dr Silver believes that it is most likely that that Earth is acting as a ‘prison planet’, which would explain our violent nature as a species.



http://exonews.org/humans-evolved-on-another-planet-and-were-brought-to-earth-by-aliens/

[StreetsOfGold]

We're probably descendants of Martians.

Once you reject God's word, this is the idiocy you are left with!

Mars is a LIGHT anyways, it's not even a PLACE you can land on. (SMHATES) (Shaking My Head At The Extreme Stupidity)

[Horn]

I dont buy the prison planet theory, once alien life finds a root somewhere else it would not allow it to slip from their grasp.

Just look at the Queen of England and Australia for an example.

[Neuro]

Humans Evolved on Another Planet and Were Brought to Earth by Aliens

• In his 2013 book Humans Are Not From Earth, Dr Ellis Silver claims that his analysis of the evolution of the human race has brought him to the conclusion that human beings evolved elsewhere in the universe and were brought to Earth by an alien civilization.
• Evidence of this includes our sensitivity to sunlight, our wide array of diseases and ailments, and chronic backaches due to our originating from a darker planet with less gravity.
• Dr Silver believes that it is most likely that that Earth is acting as a ‘prison planet’, which would explain our violent nature as a species.

Or perhaps the Earth is a refuge for different human-type species fleeing planetary catastrophes, and were then genetically modified to acclimate to the Earth’s environment as hypothesized by others. And alternatively, our propensity for violence may be due to negative ET beings employing widespread mind control over the planet to foment war, fear and strife, in order to create a dark energy “loosh” for their own nourishment. Just saying.


http://exonews.org/humans-evolved-on-another-planet-and-were-brought-to-earth-by-aliens/
Our current chronic back aches are from our modern lifestyle which is essentially centered around sitting which we are not evolved for. People who don’t sit a lot, but walks a lot have far less back problems. The average Stone Age person probably walked around 10 miles a day, to gather the essentials for survival. It’s our current life style that is alien not our origins.

There are chiropractors that work on race horses and show jump horses with excellent results (so there goes the placebo theory of chiropractic treatment). And the reason for these horses getting spinal issues is not that horses are of alien origin, but because they have been forced into a life their bodies are not designed to handle.

Here is some further debunking of (((Dr Ellis Silver))):
https://illuminutti.com/tag/ellis-silver/

[Horn]

Don't you think that your webbed toes are a dead give away to your alien origins, Neuro?

[singular_me]

https://illuminutti.com/tag/ellis-silver/ (another so-called expert ignoring the sumerian tablets and obviously has a lot of faith in the so-called missing link)

the cosmology of the sumerians could NOT have been established so precisely if they hadnt been told about it (but then by who?) or were not space travelers themselves

ps: not familiar with ellis silver, just pointing to the debunker who also debunks the chemtrails??https://illuminutti.com/chemtrails/, doesnt see much evil with central banking either

[Cebu_4_2]

Don't you think that your webbed toes are a dead give away to your alien origins, Neuro?


My dog has webbed toes, wonder if he was some type of fish...

[old steel]

Top and center




https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/pia22219-16.jpg



https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/pia22219-16.jpg

[Neuro]

https://illuminutti.com/tag/ellis-silver/ (another so-called expert ignoring the sumerian tablets and obviously has a lot of faith in the so-called missing link)

the cosmology of the sumerians could NOT have been established so precisely if they hadnt been told about it (but then by who?) or were not space travelers themselves

ps: not familiar with ellis silver, just pointing to the debunker who also debunks the chemtrails??https://illuminutti.com/chemtrails/, doesnt see much evil with central baking

Did you think the debunker of (((Ellis Silver))) is the same, as the poster of those funny pics on chemtrails? Even if it was, a person has opinions some may be correct some are not, how on earth are those “correct” opinions debunked by the “incorrect” ones? How about you instead of trying to poison the well instead actually try to discuss the theories of Ellis Silver, that where thoroughly debunked on the page I posted?

As for cosmology of Sumerians, there is none, unless you want to make a wild eyed interpretation of the number of stars seen on a stone tablet. And of that there is no doubt, that is exactly what you want to do... LOL

[Cebu_4_2]

Top and center








https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/pia22219-16.jpg

The rooster next to the 7-11?

[singular_me]

both ellis and his debunker are controlled opposition, that is HOW I see it...

DEBUNKER AT THE LINK: Now most people would think that any proof that we do not come from this planet would be in our DNA (and I’ll get to that later) but the article doesn’t even mention that.

How serious is this line above, when we know that science made the consensus believe faithfully in JUNK DNA for decades? If you really believe that, you cannot be right. I do not expect mainstream science to release such data just yet either. They cannot explain the origins of Rh-, why do 12% of humans do not have the monkey gene.

as for the sumerian cosmology, it is because you do not want to investigate (and prefer to stick to the babylonians, that is your choice).... and regard those investigating it as a threat to your faith in senseless darwinism, since it glorifies the needs for masters/predators.

Just like I was trying to tell you that "whoever" built the pyramids knew about sacred geometry, as their measurements have a specific ratios to that of Earth, not to mention their alignment with Cygnus/Orion. Sumerians knew how exactly many planets in our solar system to start with. Yes I know, that so-called bronze age brains did know so much cannot be possible :)



As for cosmology of Sumerians, there is none, unless you want to make a wild eyed interpretation of the number of stars seen on a stone tablet. And of that there is no doubt, that is exactly what you want to do... LOL

[Neuro]

Bump! This is something that have bothered me greatly...

Carving granite would certainly have been a lot easier with tool iron than bornze, no contest.

So the question begs asking did the Egytptians have tool steel? The answer maybe yes...



As Neuro stated, its a lot easier to accept they had acces to Iron in 2500 BC than it is to believe aliens or some hitherto unknown advanced civilisation built them. At least we have some evidence of manufactured steel, whereas we have nothing other than faith and imagination.

To use this as evidence the Egyptians didn't build the pyramids is dubious to say the least. As I've said before and many here have admited, we don't know everything about the Egyptians. To then make the assumption that everything we know is wrong, or that information has been withheld and/or destroyed is purely pathological.

Manufactured Iron has been found that dates to this period. Thats good enough for me to consider it very plausible.
Started thinking about it today if there were some alloys of bronze that were stronger...

Actually the solution is easier than that. Bronze is actually quite hard compared to its ingredients copper and tin...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze
actually equal to or even harder than wrought iron...

Especially copper alloyed with Arsenic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenical_bronze

Thus it was not necessary for the Egyptians to have iron tools to mine the granite in Aswan that were used in the pyramids, they would have at least equal use of bronze tools. I like many others had the misconception that iron was adopted because it was stronger, it wasn’t it was merely easier to get access to iron ore, compared to copper and especially tin ore. Tin ore was mainly mined in what today is Cornwall in England during the Bronze Age. And it was traded as far away as Mesopotamia. Perhaps the Bronze Age people weren’t as stupid as Goldi harps on about? Evidence is coming out that Bronze Age societies, were actually more complex than at least early Iron Age societies, because bronze was such a difficult commodity to get access too, with larger kingdoms, battles for control of trading routes and mines. When the manufacture of iron technology came about, societies became decentralized, because iron ore was abundant everywhere...

[Neuro]

More on the use of Arsenical bronze...
https://archaeopress.wordpress.com/2017/03/17/metal-tools-of-the-pyramid-builders-and-other-craftsmen-in-the-old-kingdom/

I should dispel one of the most common misunderstandings. You may have read in many popular and semi-popular works that Old Kingdom Egyptians knew and used only tools made of pure copper. This is simply not true; they were using arsenical copper as the main practical alloy, typical for the whole Ancient Near East in the Early Bronze Age. For Egypt, this fact was proven already in 1976, in an article “Near eastern alloying and some textual evidence for the early use of arsenical copper” by E. R. Eaton and Hugh McKerrell.
Further they annealed and hammered the bronze to a hardness that is approaching equal hardness to todays chisel steel.

Building the pyramids was certainly a great HUMAN endeavor by Bronze Age man.

[woodman]

More on the use of Arsenical bronze...
https://archaeopress.wordpress.com/2017/03/17/metal-tools-of-the-pyramid-builders-and-other-craftsmen-in-the-old-kingdom/

Further they annealed and hammered the bronze to a hardness that is approaching equal hardness to todays chisel steel.

Building the pyramids was certainly a great HUMAN endeavor by Bronze Age man.


Ok, this sent me on a rampage of alloy investigation. The subject is fascinating.

[Neuro]

Ok, this sent me on a rampage of alloy investigation. The subject is fascinating.

Indeed. I am a bit pissed off that I assumed that bronze is soft as copper, and that it’s abandonment to iron was because iron was superior. The reality was that probably it was abandoned because iron was much cheaper once metallurgy and kiln technology had advanced to the point where it could be manufactured. While the mining, production and transport of bronze was supporting a gigantic (for its time) infrastructure with its bosses and soldiers, that wanted their cut.

Once people abandoned bronze, not because it was weaker but because it was more expensive, the old more advanced structure collapsed.

[woodman]

Once people abandoned bronze, not because it was weaker but because it was more expensive, the old more advanced structure collapsed.


C107, arsenical copper was even specified for use in locomotive boilers. That's some strong stuff.

I read an interesting book recently:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044043447440;view=1up;seq=100
"Five Years With the Congo Cannibals". The author stated that brass and copper were a huge trade commodity with the savages, even into the late 1800's. They were using it in the steamship boilers that plied the Congo River also.

[Neuro]

C107, arsenical copper was even specified for use in locomotive boilers. That's some strong stuff.

I read an interesting book recently:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044043447440;view=1up;seq=100
"Five Years With the Congo Cannibals". The author stated that brass and copper were a huge trade commodity with the savages, even into the late 1800's. They were using it in the steamship boilers that plied the Congo River also.

Yes according to the investigations of the archeometallurgical Czech scientist above. The hardness of some of the arsenic copper objects tested was harder than even carbon steel...
https://www.academia.edu/29327715/Archaeometallurgical_study_of_copper_alloy_tools_a nd_model_tools_from_the_Old_Kingdom_necropolis_at_ Giza
About 3-6% of arsenic was in the objects...

[Horn]

Mining, mining, quary penga.

Its the finishing and fit onsite of those inner chamber stones that cannot be reproduced until earlier parts of 20th century

Even though some 1200yrs of human history have been tainted with Vatican and Archeologist's filler stories.

[Neuro]

Mining, mining, quary penga.

Its the finishing and fit onsite of those inner chamber stones that cannot be reproduced until earlier parts of 20th century

Even though some 1200yrs of human history have been tainted with Vatican and Archeologist's filler stories.

I know what you are meaning...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6tOp8KLZnQ&feature=share

I would say that the fact that annealed and cold hammered bronze tools can have hardness equal too or greater than carbon steel, would shift the possibility in the direction of traditional stone masons of human Egyptian character, doing the work. I just thought about the granite posts at the entrance to our house in Sweden, built in the 1880’s, they are completely straight with perfectly symmetrical rounded tops, and most likely perfected without any machinery at all. Same tools pretty much as what a stone mason in Egypt had access to 4500 years ago.

[Neuro]

Omg this is a hoax granite gravestone...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Gravsten_Catarina_Ebba_Horn.jpg/512px-Gravsten_Catarina_Ebba_Horn.jpg

It looks machined, but it was made in the late 18th century? Aliens?

http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/Tsoukalos-Memes.jpg

[Bigjon]

Omg this is a hoax granite gravestone...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Gravsten_Catarina_Ebba_Horn.jpg/512px-Gravsten_Catarina_Ebba_Horn.jpg

It looks machined, but it was made in the late 18th century? Aliens?



Oh my gosh, one of my best friends is a Stenen and he says he's half Norwegian and this stone is where? Sweden, yes, no, I always claimed he must be a Swede.

[Neuro]

Oh my gosh, one of my best friends is a Stenen and he says he's half Norwegian and this stone is where? Sweden, yes, no, I always claimed he must be a Swede.

”Stenen” means ”The Stone”, and yes this grave stone is in Sweden. As it is my middle name is Sten (stone) which in Norwegian would be Stein. I have never heard anyone having the name Stenen before. But I guess it is possible as a family name.

I checked it up. There are noone in Sweden with the name of Stenen. Stener is the closest. But I saw that the surnames Sten and Steen is common in Norway as well, perhaps Stenen is used there?

[Bigjon]

”Stenen” means ”The Stone”, and yes this grave stone is in Sweden. As it is my middle name is Sten (stone) which in Norwegian would be Stein. I have never heard anyone having the name Stenen before. But I guess it is possible as a family name.

I checked it up. There are noone in Sweden with the name of Stenen. Stener is the closest. But I saw that the surnames Sten and Steen is common in Norway as well, perhaps Stenen is used there?

Mange takk.

My two Norwegian words.

He sent me a picture of some Olympic Ski Jumping champion from the thirties in Oslo who's name was Stenen.

Damn, a chance to tease him goes down in flames.

[singular_me]

comparing the pyramids to a grave stone :) Looks like you have not yet mastered the Trivium nor the Quatrivium

you cannot fathom that pyramids built by an ante-diluvian civilization. Or aliens. I have always suggested either or, left the door open.

Today we cannot even build a pyramid like those in egypt because we do NOT have the techonogy... simple. Deal with it.You cannot even fathom that egyptians had a serious astronomic knowledge.... bronze age when they had no telescopes??? ??? Try to find out instead of speaking nonsense LOL

Reopening this thread to post this STUPID PICTURE, shows the real you... but luckily there are many people out there starting to understand that we can not take anything the mainstream says for granted. We do not know and cannot really know because WE HAVE BEEN LIED TO FROM A TO Z about our civilization. You have not yet started your journey into enlightenment.

How could bronze age men know what metal was in the first place and how to meld it... Why are they hiding history, Max igan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIUuJ0vZk-E

Even the concept of Natural Laws seems to be too much of a stretch for you. People like Mark Passio and Max Igan (and myself) are the real movers out there. And there are many who are open to the unthinkable. Unlike you.

and you really think you won the argument, right?



Omg this is a hoax granite gravestone...

It looks machined, but it was made in the late 18th century? Aliens?

[Neuro]

[deleted the irrelevant moron babble]

and you really think you won the argument, right?
Yes it appears I did, you didn’t post a single rational objection to it.

[Neuro]

How could bronze age men know what metal was in the first place and how to meld it...
LOL this is comical!

[Horn]

I
just thought about the granite posts at the entrance to our house in Sweden, built in the 1880’s, they are completely straight with perfectly symmetrical rounded tops, and most likely perfected without any machinery at all. Same tools pretty much as what a stone mason in Egypt had access to 4500 years ago.

Bronze hardness is only one piece to the puzzle, the machine and tooling behind the bronze would suppose the same level of mechanical knowledge as 1900s.

A symetrical post aint a perfect flat/square mating stone surfaces.

That 1900s tool/machine level knowledge also automatically includes knowledge of hardened steel.

[Neuro]

I

Bronze hardness is only one piece to the puzzle, the machine and tooling behind the bronze would suppose the same level of mechanical knowledge as 1900s.

A symetrical post aint a perfect flat/square mating stone surfaces.

That 1900s tool/machine level knowledge also automatically includes knowledge of hardened steel.

Look at the late 1700’s gravestone in granite, of one of your Swedish relatives... it’s fulfilling!

[Horn]

Look at the late 1700’s gravestone in granite, of one of your Swedish relatives... it’s fulfilling!

If you're suggesting that some parts of the pyramids were built closer to that time period.

[Neuro]

If you're suggesting that some parts of the pyramids were built closer to that time period.

I am only suggesting that the gravestone in granite that look like it was machined, was made with tools similar to the tools that were available to a stone mason in ancient Egypt. Bronze can be as hard as steel.

If it was made by a civilization more developed than Bronze Age tech, why on earth didn’t they leave anything more advanced than precision shaped stone and bronze tools?

[Horn]

I am only suggesting that the gravestone in granite that look like it was machined, was made with tools similar to the tools that were available to a stone mason in ancient Egypt. Bronze can be as hard as steel.

If it was made by a civilization more developed than Bronze Age tech, why on earth didn’t they leave anything more advanced than precision shaped stone and bronze tools?

So that after u read history, Santa will be able to call on you or not to lead his sleigh.

[aeondaze]

In January this year I bought Magicians of the Gods by Graham Hancock. Great read, but left me completely unconvinced there was ever an advanced civilisation beyond say 3000 BC. I like Graham, I want to believe him but his antediluvian nonsense grows tired for me for lack of genuine evidence.

Having said that, I really do think there is something to his theory that a comet/meteor shower induced the end of the LGM and the possibility of great floods about 11000 BP, or whatever the date was.

Yeah arsenic bronzes can be pretty hard, I'm not sure if I mentioned this previously but have always known this, its been a few years. Tin Bronzes, the ones used today, on the other hand are softer. I have pure copper billets say 99.99% pure copper oxygen free, materiel is soft as butter. I also have a pure copper alloy of 1% Boron, stuff is so hard its incredible, don't know how brittle it is, but I imagine it could easily make a decent knife or chisel.

RIP ponce.

[Neuro]

So that after u read history, Santa will be able to call on you or not to lead his sleigh.
Pyramids are aligned with the Orion belt you say?
https://66.media.tumblr.com/e7a222fbe2f316619cf934b1146af153/tumblr_oli1q7WWzO1tr4gulo1_400.gif

Yeah mindblowing man!

[aeondaze]

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT0xeJpnrWC4XWblEk/giphy.gif

[Neuro]

In January this year I bought Magicians of the Gods by Graham Hancock. Great read, but left me completely unconvinced there was ever an advanced civilisation beyond say 3000 BC. I like Graham, I want to believe him but his antediluvian nonsense grows tired for me for lack of genuine evidence.

Having said that, I really do think there is something to his theory that a comet/meteor shower induced the end of the LGM and the possibility of great floods about 11000 BP, or whatever the date was.

Yeah arsenic bronzes can be pretty hard, I'm not sure if I mentioned this previously but have always known this, its been a few years. Tin Bronzes, the ones used today, on the other hand are softer. I have pure copper billets say 99.99% pure copper oxygen free, materiel is soft as butter. I also have a pure copper alloy of 1% Boron, stuff is so hard its incredible, don't know how brittle it is, but I imagine it could easily make a decent knife or chisel.

RIP ponce.

There is no evidence whatsoever that there were any advanced civilizations, prior to the Bronze age. The proponements of those theories, have to take away the credit of the real people of flesh and bone that actually through skill, intelligence, ingenuity and hard work constructed the pyramids, and claim that it belonged to someone way more advanced to them.

It really is shameful behavior. It has been proven in this thread that Bronze Age metallurgical knowledge was advanced enough to create tools to cut and precision shape granite. But it’s still the fucking aliens or prediluvian fantasy civilizations that built them 10’s of thousands of years ago. We truly live in the disinformation age.

[aeondaze]

Hence the reason I stay away. I honestly can't believe anyone would buy this drivel unless they were either deliberate purveyors of disinformation, preying on the vulnerable or simply shitposting. Never can tell, but its not really important I guess. :cool:

[singular_me]

hahahaha... EVERYTHING IS A LIE and you believe that actually cavemen decided one day, like that OUT OF THE BLUE, to go look for bronze... while they had NEVER SEEN ANY...

you are just fools... and that the pyramids match the celestial positons of Orion or Cygna is also pure coincidence

It is just like bible believers, everything is corrupt but the bible and when you show the kaballah in it, you are called a new ager... :)

be my guests

Like max igan says as there are so many rabbit holes, it is impossible to measure the extent if the LIES, but one thing is certain is that mainstream history is a TOTAL FABRICATION

You believe cavemen did it on their own... just like the atheists that life came out of nothing... heheheh

you do not even grasp the "divine proportions" involved in the pyramids themselves, but you are out there trying to ridicule those who GET it. Long way to go...

[Neuro]

hahahaha... EVERYTHING IS A LIE and you believe that actually cavemen decided one day, like that OUT OF THE BLUE, to go look for bronze... while they had NEVER SEEN ANY...

you are just fools... and that the pyramids match the celestial positons of Orion or Cygna is also pure coincidence

It is just like bible believers, everything is corrupt but the bible and when you show the kaballah in it, you are called a new ager... :)

be my guests

Like max igan says as there are so many rabbit holes, it is impossible to measure the extent if the LIES, but one thing is certain is that mainstream history is a TOTAL FABRICATION

You believe cavemen did it on their own... just like the atheists that life came out of nothing... heheheh

you do not even grasp the "divine proportions" involved in the pyramids themselves, but you are out there trying to ridicule those who GET it. Long way to go...
As you yourself aren’t in possession of much creativity, nor curiosity mixed with intellectual honesty and you have no interest or knowledge of real historical development, you can’t therefore understand the gradual technological development that made the bronze age possible. Here is a clue, they weren’t cave dwellers at large. The Neanderthals got inbred and largely died out because they were cave dwellers 25,000 years prior to the Bronze Age, they died because they stayed stationary as the inland ice advanced.

[Bigjon]

For my money, my 2 scents.

Mars had a civilization and had an orbit much closer to Earth and there was interplanetary travel.

Then catastrophe and now we call it research because it's all been discovered before.

Then we have the Jews slash culture creators who hide things.

Lots of big bullshit, big bang a colossal cluster Fxxk.

[Horn]

Pyramids are aligned with the Orion belt you say?
https://66.media.tumblr.com/e7a222fbe2f316619cf934b1146af153/tumblr_oli1q7WWzO1tr4gulo1_400.gif

Yeah mindblowing man!

I told you the why Y, truth.

That you may hold dearly to your Santauanese dillusions.

Every Rudolph must have his sleigh to guide through the cold dark night. Anthropologists Unite on Donner and Blitzen, Comet then Christian!

[Horn]

In all honesty it sounds like a typically closely guarded capitulated trade train (currently available)

Yes, you lesser being shorn those stones from however what is available to you, We higher life forms will do the finishing and capstones, while maintaining our patent law.

[Jewboo]

It really is shameful behavior. It has been proven in this thread that Bronze Age metallurgical knowledge was advanced enough to create tools to cut and precision shape granite. But it’s still the fucking aliens or prediluvian fantasy civilizations that built them 10’s of thousands of years ago. We truly live in the disinformation age.



https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71QXEMFGCXL._SX314_BO1,204,203,200_.gif

Welcome us aliens you ignorant goy Earthling!

:rolleyes:

[Horn]

Lol @ precision thread, Neuro's been wearing the Christmas tree's skirt as some sort of trans-mientes.