Bundy + Hammonds Rally Dec. 4, 2016. I wish thes guys would turn their phones 90° when filming videos.
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Bundy + Hammonds Rally Dec. 4, 2016. I wish thes guys would turn their phones 90° when filming videos.
http://youtu.be/fdNiShzPnMc
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Ammon and Ryan Bundy taken to the hole Dec. 8, 2016.
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This sounds like a phone conversation between Jerry DeLemus from the Pahrump jail to his wife. About an hour ago.
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This is a screenshot of the video . . . . .
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We as regular people need to establish teams to work as groups in these situations to ensure over sight and review is carried out independently. So long as these guys are the only ones with oversight and review of their actions it will continue.
Difficult situation because, as the Bundy's demonstrates, as soon as you do this, you get infiltrated and overwhelmed. No effort is too small, no amount of resources is tool little or too much for them to muster and deploy against you. SO this makes things extremely difficult. They can get 3 or 4 people in place and poison the well or put up road blocks and people are just too inexperienced and trusting to know how to identify it, block it and secure against it. It's really a diabolical situation.
And of course in some situations it only takes one, who looks ok, sounds ok but who suddenly goes kooky and that becomes the one that stands out, the one that is used to justify blocking or closing out or shutting down the good people.
Any person should be able to join a cause for action. This is an inherent feature of the system. All they need is standing. But then they need to be able to hold their position and reinforce it. Some of that needs to use leverage to block bad actors from interceding. Attorneys general or state need to be blocked from exercising authority, real or imagined, to take over a prosecution initiated by an individual. People need to file in the correct venue.
Juries petite need to be established and held together against the bad actors and tricks. This takes a lot of knowledge. Ultimately mass revelation is required turn the tide and I'm not sure how that can happen. Is it happening? Can it happen soon enough?
And yes, lawfulness needs to reinstated, because civil action has no rules to protect the innocent, only the criminals and they will do what ever it takes to get the job done.
Bundy Story Part 3
http://youtu.be/RvxZzlF67_s
https://youtu.be/RvxZzlF67_s
But there are at least two United States.
Which one do you know?
Which one has a Constitution?
Which one is under a Constitution?
One of those United States is a private corporation pretending to be our Gov.
I believe the political prisoners are being held and mistreated for exposing this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigjon
I suspect the feds know their chances of a conviction aren't real high, so by keeping them locked up without a trial and subjecting them to cruel inhumane punishment will break their spirit and silence them as well as send a message to the masses . . . .
Yep law enforcement by scumbags teaching the masses that the law does not have to obey the law and can make it up as they go along.Quote:
Originally Posted by monty
Bundy Brothers are standing their ground, refuse to walk into courtroom.
http://www.whio.com/news/local/bundy...RLBiTKyrpdonJ/
Bundy brothers balk at attending US court hearing in Vegas
Updated: Friday, December 09, 2016 @ 7:05 PM
Published: Friday, December 09, 2016 @ 5:44 PM
By: Associated Press
A small group of protesters gather Friday, Dec. 9, 2016, outside the U.S. District Court building in Las Vegas where Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and 16 other defendants had a hearing before a federal magistrate judge scheduling their trials on charges they conspired to take up weapons against federal agents in an armed standoff in April 2014. (AP Photo/Ken Ritter)
LAS VEGAS — Two sons of Nevada cattleman Cliven Bundy refused to attend, and several co-defendants shouted an oath of defiance at the end of a Friday court appearance for 17 men accused of conspiring and taking up arms against federal agents near the Bundy ranch in Nevada in April 2014.
U.S. Magistrate Judge Peggy Leen decided not to order marshals to bring Ammon and Ryan Bundy to court by force, so the two Bundy sons remained in a nearby holding cell. Marshals were instructed to provide a speaker so they could hear audio of the court proceedings.
Another defendant, Peter Santilli, blurted out that the Bundy brothers didn't want to be shackled. Leen admonished Santilli that he didn't get to speak on their behalf.
So began a contentious three-hour hearing during which the judge didn't make immediate rulings on a range of arguments, including the government's request to have three trials and defendants' requests to be tried together or in groups of their choosing.
Trial is scheduled to begin Feb. 6. Leen called it "physically and logistically impossible" to try all 17 defendants together, and suggested it would be unfair for a 17th defendant to have to wait months or years to resolve his case if they were tried individually. She said she'll issue a written scheduling order soon.
Leen also is considering multiple requests to dismiss charges; a plea for a change of venue to Reno or another city; a suggestion that federal officials shredded documents that would be relevant to the case as they packed up and left temporary offices near Bunkerville; and Cliven Bundy's lawyer's insistence that the federal government has no jurisdiction in Clark County.
Santilli's attorney argued that he's a journalist, and that his calls in Internet postings for supporters to rally to the Bundy ranch to lawfully carry guns and protest federal Bureau of Land Management action were constitutionally protected free speech.
At least two defendants, Ryan Payne and Scott Engel, stood the moment court was adjourned and loudly declared, "Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God!"
Santilli chimed in that he expected that when Donald Trump becomes president, he'll intervene in the case on the defendants' behalf.
Several people among about three dozen family members and friends responded with words of love and support as they filed out of the courtroom gallery under watchful eyes of U.S. marshals.
The protest-by-absence of Ammon and Ryan Bundy echoed the refusal by their father last March to enter a plea to federal charges that he led the tense armed standoff that stopped a government round-up of cattle on public land about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas. A magistrate judge entered a not-guilty plea for him.
No shots were fired, and no one was injured in the standoff. But images of Bundy backers with assault rifles on a freeway overpass forcing federal agents to back off in a dry river bed below have become iconic in an ongoing battle about states' rights and federal authority.
That dispute has roots a nearly half-century fight over grazing rights in Nevada and the West, where the federal government controls vast expanses of land. Calls for action have grown louder and more frequent in the Internet age, with bloggers protesting federal agency decisions to designate protected areas for endangered species and set aside tracts for mining, wind farms and natural gas exploration.
The Bundy case defendants face conspiracy, obstruction, weapon, threat and assault on a federal officer charges that could get them decades in prison if they're convicted. They and two others who have pleaded guilty in the case remain in federal custody in southern Nevada.
Federal prosecutors want three trials, with the first to start Feb. 6 for accused conspiracy leaders Cliven, Ammon and Ryan Bundy, Payne and Santilli.
A second trial would start in May for six alleged "mid-level" standoff leaders and organizers: Bundy sons Dave and Mel Bundy, Brian Cavalier, Micah McGuire, Joseph O'Shaughnessy and Jason Woods.
A third trial would begin in August for six accused "followers and gunmen." They are Gregory Burleson, O. Scott Drexler, Todd Engel, Ricky Lovelien, Eric Parker and Steven Stewart.
Woods' lawyer, Kristine Kuzemka, protested Friday that labeling defendants as "gunmen" is unfair because it suggests guilt or culpability.
Leen said a description used for now, during pretrial proceedings, might never be suggested to a jury.
Burleson's attorney, Terrence Jackson, asked again for the judge to consider releasing his client before trial for medical reasons.
Jackson said Burleson, 53, of Arizona, is blind, diabetic and uses a wheelchair.
Burleson told Leen he isn't getting medical treatment in federal custody.
"I don't want to end up dying in here," he said.
Teralee-Jared Morley with Lillie Spencer and 2 others.12 hrs
I was so proud of them. We could hear them hollering in the court room! The US marshals abuse them and shackled them and drag/carried them to the court room door. Ammon and Ryan were told to walk in the courtroom and they replied no, You carry us in in front of these people. US marshals said no we won't do that, you walk or we will take you back to your cell. Ammon and Ryan stayed strong...So they dragged them back to their holding cell and listened through a speaker. THESE MEN WILL CONTINUE TO STAND, That is who they are and I'm damn proud of them!!
So in other words the US MARSHALS can abuse them behind closed doors but they are to walk into court and pretend that everything is just... NOT going to happen! Love you Ammon and Ryan!!
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Originally Posted by monty
This comment rings true. There is such a large portion of the population who don't see or refuse to see:
Fred Caughlin This makes me sick. What has happened to our country? I have to look away any more when I see that overhead murder video.
I have watched all three of these videos and this should all be put out so everyone can hear about this. Everyone needs to understand that it is not just the other guy (ranchers) it is all of us. It is coming, they are not going to stop with this or the other aspects of their denial of our rights. When have they ever hit a line they will not cross?
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Necessity is a principle of law. One explanation given for the law of necessity is that of a man convicted to be hung by the neck until dead. If the guards open the cell door and he voluntarily walks to the gallows when he could as well have turned and walked in the opposite direction he is deemed to have consented ... essentially meaning he suicided himself.Quote:
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Another point. You never walk into a courtroom shackled. You get carried in. And if you are not shackled you don't walk in of your own accord. You turn around and walk (or run) in some other direction.
The favorite attack of the environmentalists "A massive 'for sale' sign on our public lands."
I like her already.
http://dennismichaellynch.com/trump-...tary-interior/
Trump Picks Secretary of Interior
It’s been reported by an anonymous source to news outlets that President-elect Donald Trump will choose Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington as his secretary of Interior. McMorris Rodgers currently serves as the chair of the House Republican Conference, making her the highest-ranking GOP woman in Congress.
The choice of McMorris Rodgers is a victory for Republicans, but also a condemnation by environmentalists. League of Conservation Voters President Gene Karpinski claimed the selection amounted to “a massive ‘for sale’ sign on our public lands.”
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“McMorris Rodgers has been part of the Republican leadership of the most anti-environmental House of Representatives in history, and she has an abysmal 4% lifetime score on LCV’s National Environmental Scorecard. She simply should not be put in charge of stewarding America’s wildlife, national parks and other majestic landscapes,” Karpinski continued.
“At best, Trump can delay the inevitable clean energy revolution, but he can’t stop it. McMorris Rodgers is clearly not the right choice for a 21st century Department of Interior that will steward public lands on behalf of the American people,” Greenpeace spokesman Travis Nichols said.
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I have a question. Do the public lands that were accumulated from land holders by the BLM get returned to those land holders or are they to be sold on to new landholders for commercial exploitation?
It seems to me, if you are accumulating land from freeholders under the guise of environmental protection, at some point you will have it all. Then what? Do you actually keep it in environmental stewardship or do you exploit it? Who is going to exploit it if the original holders are no longer around.
Maybe it's just a case of coming full circle?
I believe when you start doing transactions in commercial debt you lose the status to be able to hold lands against others. When you identify the error of your ways you might gain natural rights back but the action is hard to maintain. The slightest error and you lose. Before you start bringing up principles of natural law you cannot participate at all in the welfare state schemes. That is a minimum.
I don't know what the maximum is. I am still peeling back layers of the matrix.
That is a good question Glass. According to the Constitution for the United States of America the Congress is charged with disposing of the public lands and making all needful rules to do so. The Congress seems to have abided by the Constitution until gold was discovered in the westen states in 1848. Since 1850 The United States has held title to the public land in all of the new states that have been admitted to the Union. They did continue the homestead laws until sometime in the 20th century. In 1976 Congress changed the law saying the public lands will belong to the United States forever.
I am not sure when the BLM began creating hardships on ranchers and buying their property. The first I remember hearing about it was in the early 1970's. The mechanism they have used is to get the environmentalists to create a fuss on a particular area over some endangered species. The Federal government gives the environmentalists grant money, in turn the environmentalists sue the BLM using the federal funds to pay for the litigation. The courts favor the enviros. This in turn cause the BLM to cave to the demands of the environmental groups and turn against the ranchers. The rancher ends up bankrupt, the environmentalists buy up the property at pennies on the dollar and turn it over to the government.
Under the new (unconstitutional) law this newly acquired land is locked away forever in the possession of the federal government.
Monty
Be aware that the federal government terminated operations with the XIV amendment and went out of business entirely in 1878. While this might be a bitter pill to absorb realize what is fancifully called the federal government is actually a national government with a constitution. That constitution is not the entire federal constitution but merely the 14th amendment. Very few restrictions on anything they want to do.
You should be aware that the Federalist Papers actually gave nationalist notions. This brought about a party who chose to call themselves 'FEDERALISTS'. Actually they were closet NATIONALISTS but they chose the name for a reason. This left their opposition (aka the true FEDERALISTS) a name that was not aligned with their objectives. They chose the name ANTI-FEDERALISTS. My opinion? This opposition party should have called themselves the ANTI-NATIONALISTS.
You don't run a nation with the constitution of a federation. Likewise only a fool would run a federation with the constitution of nation. Therefore the NATION U.S. of A. has a different constitution that the federation U.S. of A. Neither one pays much attention to the limitations of the Articles of Confederation which was the basis of a CONFEDERATION which chose to sink rather than swim when the U.S. Constitution surfaced.
I am aware. I try to stay out of their 14th amendment national government as much as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by palani
Notice (published) is usually sufficient. You can have your name appended to the declaration of independence and thereby become one of the People (precedence was set for this by one of the representatives being permitted to sign after everyone else). Mostly though your actions determine your status. It is hard to keep out the 14th amendment (for instance) and still carry a U.S. passport.Quote:
Originally Posted by monty
The Constitution for the united States is still in operation. It has to be there as that is the only document that puts a foundation for their claim to power over the district of criminals.Quote:
Originally Posted by palani
Not precisely. In law there is a concept called 'de facto' and a concept called 'de jure'. If a job needs to be done that is not anyone might step into the office to perform it. This is de facto. The acts of a de facto officer are valid but the job does not come with limited liability. The one who performs the act required has full liability.Quote:
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When all requirements of the job are met then it is held in a de jure manner. The limit to liability to the office holder is the value of his bond.
You attack de facto office holders by sending your sheriff a writ of quo warranto, commanding he drag in the miscreants body to your court to have his credentials examined. Likely the sheriff will not be aware of his duties and would likely not be de jure himself but .... what are your other options?
Where the concept of de facto and de jure fall through is when the office does not exist. If the office doesn't exist neither de jure nor de facto office holders need apply. Gravity can't hold them. They just float off into space.
Where is the legislation that removed the Constitution for the united States of America?Quote:
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It is still there.
The defacto gov is a private entity pretending just enough to fool most of the people that it is the real gov.
It operates via contract, deception and trust law.
They dissolved the enterprise in July 1868 and came back the next day as a national government. However, before they adjourned they enacted THE ACT FOR THE PROTECTION OF AMERICANS IN FOREIGN STATES (aka THE EXPATRIATION ACT) and declared that you have the right to ignore them.Quote:
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They are all dead at this point. Others have stepped in. Yet these others have no authority to dissolve what another Congress has wrought. They pretend as if they can but don't have those sort of powers.Quote:
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It operates only on 'persons', never on 'peoples'. Your person is your actions, your words and your representation. You create each of these and if you don't like the current state of affairs then don't create a person to be controlled by it. Say nothing. Do nothing. Don't create agents.Quote:
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Neighbor v Neighbor Turns into People v. U.S. Government
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Update from Deb Jordan with Pete Santilli from the jail.
http://youtu.be/wqfx57r4Ijs
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A repost of the Bundy story with the comments from the description box.
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This message is from a Patriot on the ground in Vegas. I received it a couple of days ago.
There is a planning meeting tonight here in Vegas. Our team is getting together tonight to coordinate efforts to help the men facing charges here in Nevada.
They are looking to rent a home for the families and out of town visitors that are doing research on the case.
The paralegal that helped the Oregon team gather evidence they needed to win the case in Oregon, is here helping the attorneys in Vegas. However, the attorneys in Vegas are afraid to fairly represent the men because their careers have been threatened. So it is up to the men and the rest of the team to do the work. "Name redacted" was denied visitation this past weekend with the Bundy men because the judge found out he was helping them with their case.
No one is getting paid for their work and the expenses are coming out of everyone's pocket and they are running out of money. We are going to have to get the word out that we need help with finances, research, and running legal docs to and from the Pahrump facility where the men are being held. I will let you know more after the meeting tonight.
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Basicly the .gov shut these people out of existance. Fight forever yes but they now have no lives. I see the point to it all but wow, nothing comes from being locked up and thrown away. This needs presidential action or it's null. The court cases just run on and on going nowhere, there is no salvation in it.
I feel very bad for the Bundy's and all involved but to take on a corrupt government is crazy. That is my point, the gov.t here is corrupt.
Deb Jordon . . . How the deck is stacked against Bundy Defendants.
More corruption involving Harry Reid. In short words, the entire prosecution team and all the judges were recommended by Harry Reid.
She revealed Harry Reid also appointed current governor Bryan Sandoval as a federal judge in Nevada which I didn't know.
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Deb Jordan
with Melissa Beadle-cooper and 43 others.
Yesterday at 2:38am ·
This video is the comprehensive journal of just how Harry Reid has gained enough power in Nevada to legislate Ranchers out of business and why Cliven Bundy was literally forced to stand his ground in Bunkerville.
Neil Kornze - Head of the Bureau of Land Management - Kornze worked in the office of Nevada Senator Harry Reid from 2003 until 2011, where he worked on a variety of public lands issues.
Harry Reid's endorsement of Neil Kornze; Neil is just perfect for this position,” Reid said. “Raised in Elko, NV, Neil really understands the role of public lands in rural America, and natural resources across the West.
Governor Brian Sandoval - The now Governor of Nevada, Sandoval is a former judge of the United States District Court for the District of Nevada. In the fall of 2004, Democratic Senator Harry Reid spoke with Sandoval about whether he was interested in serving as a judge for the United States District Court for the District of Nevada, and that December Reid recommended to President George W. Bush that he nominate Sandoval to a future opening on that court. Sandoval was formally nominated by Bush on March 1, 2005, to the seat being vacated by Judge Howard D. McKibben.
Judge Gloria Navarro - The Judge who will preside over the Bundy Trial -- On September 11, 2009, Sen. Harry Reid contacted Navarro to inquire about her interest in serving on the federal bench. After a video conference interview with Reid, the senator told Navarro on September 22, 2009 that he would be recommending her to President Obama for consideration to serve as a judge on the United States District Court for the District of Nevada. On December 24, 2009, Obama formally nominated Navarro to the vacancy, which was created by the resignation of Judge Brian Sandoval.
Magistrate Peggy Leen; Ruled against any pretrial releases in the Bundy case and to keep evidence in the case secret. When a Las Vegas religious group was indicted in 2005 for embezzling federal grants – money that was eventually tied to Harry Reid – it was Magistrate Leen who first heard the case. The defendants later got off with probation and minor punishment.
Daniel Bogden - United States Attorney for the District of Nevada;
Bogden ran the U.S. attorney's office from 2001 until 2007, when the Bush administration forced him out in a political purge of top federal prosecutors because of corruption in a HOA scheme in Nevada. After his election, President Barack Obama, at the recommendation of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. reappointed Bogden to the office in 2009. FBI raids in the HOA case came during the interim, and after his reappointment, Bogden disclosed that he owned a condominium at one of the developments under FBI scrutiny. He also removed himself from making any administrative decisions in the HOA investigation, turning the case over to Prosecutor Steven Myhre.
Prosecutor Steven Myhre - Prosecuting the Bundy Case for the Government - Steven Myhre is a longtime top assistant to U.S. Attorney for Nevada Dan Bogden.
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Neighbor v Neighbor Turns into People v. U.S. Government
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Magistrate Judge, Peggy Leen has signed an oder for 3 separate Bundy standoff trials
Brianna Bundy posted the docket:
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Briana Bundy
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DECISION ON NEVADA!!!
Docket Text:
ORDER, as to Cliven D. Bundy (1), Ryan C. Bundy (2), Ammon E. Bundy (3), Ryan W. Payne (4), Peter T. Santilli Jr. (5), Melvin D. Bundy (6), David H. Bundy (7), Brian D. Cavalier (8), Eric J. Parker (11), O. Scott Drexler (12), Richard R. Lovelien (13), Steven A. Stewart (14), Todd C. Engel (15), Gregory P. Burleson (16), Joseph D. O'Shaughnessy (17), Micah L. McGuire (18), Jason D. Woods (19), that:
1. The trial of the 17 defendants awaiting trial shall be severed into three groups for three separate trials consisting of:
a. Tier 1: Cliven Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Ammon Bundy, Peter Santilli, and Ryan Payne;
b. Tier 2: Dave Bundy, Mel Bundy, Joseph OShaughnessy, Brian Cavalier, JasonWoods, and Micah McGuire; and
c. Tier 3: Richard Lovelien, Todd Engel, Gregory Burleson, Eric Parker, O. ScottDrexler, and Steven Stewart.
2. The Tier 3 defendants will proceed to trial February 6, 2017.
3. The Tier 1 defendants will proceed to trial 30 days after the conclusion of the trial ofthe Tier 3 defendants.
4. The Tier 2 defendants will proceed to trial 30 days after the conclusion of the trial ofthe Tier 1 defendants.
5. All pending severance motions, responses, replies, supplements and joinders areterminated.
6. Any specific request for relief not addressed in this order is denied.
Signed by Magistrate Judge Peggy A. Leen on 12/12/16.
Edit: Added video from Mrs. B Stacy
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trying to work out where my post today on Reid went.
Anyway I guess Monty covered it. He should be on trial not these people.
Ah ok its over here: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...l=1#post874668
Harry Reid's hand picked Chief Judge Gloria Navarro upheld Harry Reid's hand picked Magistrate Judge Peggy Leen's order the Bundy Proceedings to be cloaked in secrecy
http://rangefire.us/2016/12/11/12331/
Bundy Proceedings to Remain Shrouded in Secrecy
December 11, 2016 - Government/Politics - Tagged: Bundy, Range, RANGEfire, Secrecy - 1 comment
In order to maintain public confidence in a civil society, not only must justice be done, it must also be seen to be done.
Reposted from Mesquite Local News.
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This past week Nevada’s Chief U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro upheld a sweeping protective order by a federal magistrate that seals documents and gags participants in the pending trial of Cliven Bundy, four of his sons and a dozen co-defendants on charges resulting from the April 2014 standoff at Bundy’s Bunkerville ranch, because that information might be used to intimidate witnesses.
The protective order was challenged by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, this newspaper and The Associated Press, which argued the order was overly broad and would prevent public scrutiny of a high-profile and significant case.
In upholding the secrecy, Navarro noted that case law dictates, “The district judge ‘may not simply substitute its judgment’ for that of the magistrate judge.”
But she later declared in the 10-page ruling, “The Intervenors proffer nothing but assumptions and conjecture about whether true threats were made as opposed to idle threats. This speculation does not refute (U.S. Magistrate) Judge (Peggy) Leen’s finding of good cause, let alone demonstrate clear error,” though the original order was based largely on assumptions and conjecture about largely anonymous Internet rants.
Navarro also dismissed as inefficient and impractical suggestions that certain information could be selectively redacted, instead of everything being sealed in its entirety as soon as it is filed, due to the fact the case involves 1.4 terabytes of digital information.
Freeing court personnel from a little paperwork trumps the unfettered ability of the defendants to have the public spot flaws in the documents and testimony that will determine whether they are to be incarcerated or freed?
Leen wrote in her order this past summer, “All materials produced by the government in discovery in this case, including, but not limited to: grand jury transcripts, agency reports, witness statements, memoranda of interviews, and any documents and tangible objects produced by the government shall be treated as confidential documents.”
The judge warned that defense attorneys may not even share notes relating to the contents of discovery with anyone not employed to assist the defense, and anything filed in court relating to the discovery must be filed under seal.
Leen reasoned that victims and witnesses could be vulnerable to “cyberbullying, threatening communications, and intimidation from Bundy supporters,” which could have a chilling effect on witnesses. She determined this even though almost all of the 22 allegations of intimidation are more than two years old and nothing substantive has come of any of them.
The defendants face felony charges that include conspiracy, obstruction, extortion and assault, which carry penalties of up to 50 years in prison. The standoff occurred after armed Bureau of Land Management law enforcement agents attempted to roundup Bundy’s cattle after he had refused for 20 years to pay grazing fees in the Gold Butte area. The BLM said he owed $1 million in fees and penalties.
Faced with armed protesters the BLM agents eventually released the cattle and left to avoid potential bloodshed.
Attorney Maggie McLetchie, who represents the media in this case, had argued to the court, “One of the most critical aspects of news reporting is to inform the public of justice being carried out in the courts. In this regard, the press is vital to the health of a democracy. … This right is anchored in the value of keeping ‘a watchful eye on the workings of public agencies,’ and in publishing ‘information concerning the operation of government.’ … ‘In short, justice must not only be done, it must be seen to be done.’”
McLetchie told the Las Vegas newspaper after the recent ruling, “We are disappointed because an overly broad protective order limits how much access the media, and therefore the public, has to information about this high-profile case. … As the case progresses, it will be a challenge to litigate matters in open court when so much is hidden from the public. The order can also have a chill on litigants’ willingness to speak to the press because, with such a broad order, it is hard to know if you can say anything.”
The lack of public scrutiny means that any extenuating or mitigating circumstances that the public might shed light on will not come until the time of trial, when it might be too late. — TM
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- http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/1900809...?s=78&d=mm&r=gDonnaDecember 12, 2016 at 2:24 pm
Wish you were covering the ‘standoff’ here in North Dakota! Multiple county and 9 state’s LE’s have spent $17 million so far, protecting a huge corporate entity from a fairly large gathering of Indigenous Nations united in prayer to protect Mother Earth and her iifeblood – water. Less-than-lethal weapons have required medical attention for many and the loss of an eye in one victim along with a forearm nearly blown off in another. Talk about ‘shrouded in secrecy’! Who hears?
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- http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/f831e5e...96&d=blank&r=gLoren Scott says:
December 8, 2016 at 11:11 am
The press’s WANT to know facts before the trial comes second behind the witness’s NEED to be protected from a group that has proven themselves to be a menace to both private individuals and government employees as well.
If the author of this garbage were to become the focus of, and draw the ire of. the same sov/cit groups backing the Bundys that have even threatened judges, he would surely be seeking the same sort of privacy and protections the authorities are providing to the innocent citizens that will be called to testify.
Get over it. The people that NEED this information have it already and you’ll find out the facts when this goes to trial, just like the rest of us, Somehow I think the little rag out of Mesquite won’t be any worse for it.
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- http://2.gravatar.com/avatar/80548ca...96&d=blank&r=gBrand Thornton says:
December 9, 2016 at 2:54 am
So here we go with a Soviet style secret court from the cold war era. Public disclosure of our courts is one of the most sacred and fundamental aspects of freedom. When the highest courts of the land operate in secrecy know with absolute certainty that nefarious peoples are in play. Accusations of threats with no proof to keep justice hidden from the PEOPLE is one of the hall marks of despotism, The Federal courts have become nothing more than a evil tool to destroy the freedom’s of the American people. The Bundy’s and the Patriots, veterans of the stand off with the illegal and unconstitutional BLM are the Hero’s and means to throwing off tyranny today. People like Loren Scott will never understand true freedom as he is either uneducated/unintelligent or a troll for the feds.
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- http://2.gravatar.com/avatar/87e44b5...96&d=blank&r=gJoey says:
December 9, 2016 at 11:59 am
The Bundy’s and the rest of the Gang are costing all tax payers money. They pick and chose what laws and teachings of the church they want to live by. Their agenda is only to help them and not the American people.
The State has condemned their actions, the Nation has condemned their actions and the LDS church has condemned their actions but still they put blame on everyone except themselves for the mess they are in. I hope they get MAX Prison sentences.
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http://mesquitelocalnews.com/2016/12...ed-in-secrecy/
This has always reaked to high heaven, How does Reid still have power to do things... Besides his money?
I don't who he has ties to in the Las Vegas underworld or in the banking power structure, the obvious is his connections to Hillary and Nancy Pelosi on the political scene.Quote:
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I hope and honestly believe his time is running out, I wish his brother would just beat his ass again.
Trump picks a Montana environmentalist Congressman to head Dept. of Interior
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http://www.westernjournalism.com/rep...dept-interior/
Reports Say Montana Congressman Picked To Head Dept. Of Interior
"... we have to be great stewards of this land."
by Jack Davis December 13, 2016 at 5:59pm
Former Navy SEAL Rep. Ryan Zinke, R-Mont., has been tapped by president-elect Donald Trump to lead the Department of the Interior, Fox News and CNN have reported.
“Congressman Zinke is a strong advocate for American energy independence,” said Trump transition spokesman Jason Miller. “And he supports an all-encompassing energy policy that includes renewable, fossil fuels and alternative energy.”
“Additionally, Congressman Zinke believes we need to find a way to cut through bureaucracy to ensure our nation’s parks, forests, and other public areas are properly maintained and used effectively."Ryan Zinke is a TREMENDOUS pick for Secretary of the Interior.Land Tawney, president and CEO of the Montana-based Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, called Zinke “a straight shooter” who has developed a rapport with outdoors enthusiasts.
Ex-Navy Seal.
Montana Congressman.
Like this a lot.#MAGA #PresidentTRUMP
— Todd Haines (@toddwhaines) December 13, 2016
“You wouldn’t know he’s a congressman,” Tawney said. “He really prides himself on being a Theodore Roosevelt Republican, and he lives that a little bit more than other people.”
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Zinke is a member of the Armed Services and Natural Resources committees.
Over the summer, Zinke attacked an Interior Department rule to limit inadvertent releases of methane from oil and gas operations on federal land.
“Clean air and clean water are absolute top priorities when we talk about responsible energy development, however the final rule issued by the Obama administration does nothing to further protect our resources,” he said. “This rule is a stark reminder that we need to invest in infrastructure projects like the Keystone pipeline, so we don’t need to flare excess gas.”
Some media reports last week indicated that Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, R-Wash., was being picked for the post. However, Reuters reported Tuesday that Rodgers was never offered the job
Trump and Zinke see alike on the issue of maintaining federal control of public land as oppose to giving control to states.
“I don’t like the idea because I want to keep the lands great, and you don’t know what the state is going to do,” Trump has said, adding that the federal government must focus on conservation.
“I mean, are (states) going to sell if they get into a little bit of trouble? I don’t think it’s something that should be sold,” he said. “We have to be great stewards of this land. This is magnificent land. And we have to be great stewards of this land.”
I don't see much hope for a Public Lands policy change with a Trump presidency. His pick for Interior Dept. Secretary is certainly not good for the 16 western states. The only salvation might be if Trump appoints some constitutional judges to the Supreme Court IF the Electorial College elects him.
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My thoughts are that the elephant in the room is Jewish and Trump certainly knows that. He has to get in first and then it will take a couple of years for him to secure the lay of the land. He has to find out where all the bodies are buried. Once that is done he has a chance to proceed on a more white agenda.
Will he? Only time will tell.
Apparently they're all dirty and they have the dirt on each other. It's a brotherhood/fraternity thing - just like when those in 'law enforcement' turn a blind eye to the lawless within their ranks*.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cebu_4_2
*I personally know of someone in 'law enforcement' who committed perjury with a Federal agency as well as subornation of perjury when she had the Notary Public of the agency she works for notarize a forged Federal document yet the entire agency admin is TOTALLY covering it up as if no such thing ever occurred - it is as clear cut as it gets.
Justice John Marshal writing in 1828 on the difference between the true Article III Judicial Courts and the Article IV Legislative Courts created by Congress (Title 28 United States Code):
These [territorial] courts then, are not Constitutional courts, in which the judicial power conferred by the Constitution on the general government can be deposited. They are incapable of receiving it. They are legislative courts, created in virtue of the general rights of sovereignty which exists in the government, or in virtue of that clause which enables Congress to make all needful rules and regulations, respecting the territory belonging to the United States. The jurisdiction with which they are invested, is not a part of that judicial power which is defined in the 3d article of the Constitution, but is conferred by Congress, in the execution of those general powers which that body possesses over the territories of the United States. Although admiralty jurisdiction can be exercised in the States in those courts only which are established in pursuance of the 3d article of the Constitution, the same limitation does not extend to the territories. In legislating for them, Congress exercises the combined powers of the general and of the State government.[American Insurance Co. v. 356 Bales of Cotton]
[26 U.S. 511, 1 Pet. 511 (1828), emphasis added]