Quote Originally Posted by Horn View Post
Everything spins, JQP. The reason for all things natural to curve.

The result of those "mysterious forces" is the evidence, along with that video of the Earth rotating.

Simple Black and White does exist, even when insisting that it must be a mixed Gray area.

Now you deny a center mass of the Universe at all... I can agree with a moving center point.

Like a top wobble. The Sun does this also to an extent.

Videos of the earth rotating prove nothing. Look at my carousel example. Is the camera rotating arouind the earth or is the earth rotating beneath the camera? The video looks the same either way.

Tops wobble, but their center of mass does not (until they run out of all momentum and fall). Tops wobble around their stationary center of mass, and so could the universe. This is what gives tops (and gyroscopes, bicycle wheels, etc.) their stability- the fact that they maintain their center of mass.

As to the toroid universe, this is one of many possible explanations.

Where did I deny a center of mass?

Are you going to answer my questions about the pendulum?