The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Pro thread. G Rated.

[Gaillo]

The age of accountability is eight years old. From then we are judged on our choices and actions.

Judgement is fair... circumstances and knowledge are taken into account, as is genuine repentence. Even after mortal death we have the chance to repent and progress, but it is more difficult then than while in mortality.

There are three levels of salvation, and within each, other levels. Even the lowest is superior to mortality.

http://www.ideasden.com/upload/2010/09/cool-story-bro-jesus.jpg




Lucifer and his like, such as Stalin and Hitler will be cast to outer darkness where they regress back to the intelligence from which they began.

http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/1/8/185e5_ORIG-cool_story_bro_4.jpg




The rest of our Heavenly Father's Spirit children progress further in the eternities at the different levels to which they have been assigned as a consequence of their choices and actions.

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq31/ArmyBoyATC/FASCINATING-TALE-BRETHREN.jpg

[Santa]

The age of accountability is eight years old. From then we are judged on our choices and actions. Judgement is fair... circumstances and knowledge are taken into account, as is genuine repentence. Even after mortal death we have the chance to repent and progress, but it is more difficult then than while in mortality. There are three levels of salvation, and within each, other levels. Even the lowest is superior to mortality. Lucifer and his like, such as Stalin and Hitler will be cast to outer darkness where they regress back to the intelligence from which they began. The rest of our Heavenly Father's Spirit children progress further in the eternities at the different levels to which they have been assigned as a consequence of their choices and actions. Wow. Looks kinda like you already have a to do list for the after life. Sort of the mother of all to-do lists. But what if you soil your special tidy whiteys when you die? Will you be required to go to the lower washroom level and scrub them before you can enter the higher realms?

[Rubberchicken]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3687&d=1347418779

[Janadele]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdoaHHDK_SA

Have I done any good in the world today?
Have I helped anyone in need?
Have I cheered up the sad and made someone feel glad?
If not, I have failed indeed.
Has anyone’s burden been lighter today
Because I was willing to share?
Have the sick and the weary been helped on their way?
When they needed my help was I there?

[Spectrism]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3687&d=1347418779

If that is an actual quote, I would say it alone is enough to make this guy worse than a false prophet.... more like a devil.

[Janadele]

I am glad you are perceptive enough to say IF :) As in all material taken from anti Mormon sites, deception is the key... taken out of context, to misinterpret and confuse.

Joseph Smith is a Prophet of God, highly favoured of the Lord, and the Moses of our time.

[Spectrism]

I am glad you are perceptive enough to say IF :) As in all material taken from anti Mormon sites, deception is the key... taken out of context, to misinterpret and confuse.

Joseph Smith is a Prophet of God, highly favoured of the Lord, and the Moses of our time.


What was taken out of context? I suppose you already have looked into this?

[freespirit]

What was taken out of context? I suppose you already have looked into this?

Easy with those on topic, thread related questions there Spectrism...
She says she'll answer them, but more often than not she refuses to.

As to my own unanswered questions, I dont even care if she is here to recruit new members, I just want her to be honest about it. None of this political type response structure that uses many words, yet says very little.

A simple yes or no on her part would suffice.

[Janadele]

Lucifer is well aware that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the restored Church of Christ and arrays his army against it. These are those who devout their life and resources to anti Mormon activities. it is a foolish waste of time for anyone who desires truth to seek it from these sources... all that will be found is cunning lies, deceptions, misinformation, and twisted focus. Interested parties would do well to instead seek out LDS members, LDS literature and genuine LDS internet sites to obtain the information they require.

The source of the false quote partially posted above is Thomas B. Marsh, an apostate former president of the Quorum of the Twelve. In 1838, Marsh swore an affidavit in which he claimed to have heard Joseph Smith say:"he would yet tread down his enemies, and walk over their dead bodies; and if he was not let alone, he would be a second Mohammed to this generation, and that it would be one gore of blood from the Rocky Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean; that like Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was, 'the Alcoran or the Sword,' so should it be eventually with us" Marsh later repented and returned to the Church.

[Spectrism]

The source of the false quote partially posted above is Thomas B. Marsh, an apostate former president of the Quorum of the Twelve. In 1838, Marsh swore an affidavit in which he claimed to have heard Joseph Smith say:"he would yet tread down his enemies, and walk over their dead bodies; and if he was not let alone, he would be a second Mohammed to this generation, and that it would be one gore of blood from the Rocky Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean; that like Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was, 'the Alcoran or the Sword,' so should it be eventually with us" Marsh later repented and returned to the Church.

You realize that this looks bad no matter how you slice it. How can a former president become apostate? And then repent? Repent of what- his comment or unhappiness with the mormon politics? And was it a repentance - as in turning from sin, or was it a political compromise for mutually beneficial results?

[Janadele]

Jesus Christ was the only mortal who lived a perfect life.

[Neuro]

You realize that this looks bad no matter how you slice it. How can a former president become apostate? And then repent? Repent of what- his comment or unhappiness with the mormon politics? And was it a repentance - as in turning from sin, or was it a political compromise for mutually beneficial results?
Yes, what was it Janadele?

[Janadele]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a5sm0zu6EY

This is a video presentation of the history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from 1846 to 1972.

Filmed in several countries, this video discusses the phenomenal growth and influence of the Church throughout the world, and visits LDS communities in Europe, the Pacific Islands, Latin America, Asia, and Africa, with inspiring stories of their faith, sacrifice, and perseverance.

[Spectrism]

Jesus Christ was the only mortal who lived a perfect life.

Dear, this is like saying the sky is blue on a good day. If you are going to go at people with guns blazing, you need to be able to handle the bullets that you invite.

[Janadele]

Time is precious, we need to use our time wisely and not be led astray by every worldly whim and fancy.

[Santa]

It appears that Joseph Smith was a duplicitous, manipulative, lying scumbag. Probably why he got shot... He was just another false prophet along the same lines as Sabbatai Tzevi and Jacob Frank.

[Spectrism]

Time is precious, we need to use our time wisely and not be led astray by every worldly whim and fancy.

Not a waste of time. Knowing the source of unverifiable and anti-biblical prophecies is part and parcel of determining validity. We have in the book of mormon a new gospel that contradicts what is in the bible. Isn't that a concern and since the book of mormon came from Joseph Smith, isn't his background an important consideration?

[singular_me]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a5sm0zu6EY

This is a video presentation of the history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from 1846 to 1972.

Filmed in several countries, this video discusses the phenomenal growth and influence of the Church throughout the world, and visits LDS communities in Europe, the Pacific Islands, Latin America, Asia, and Africa, with inspiring stories of their faith, sacrifice, and perseverance.

Janadele... anybody supporting whatever church empire, ultimately buying influence, is deeply wrong. Empires are man-made. God's church can only exist withing us, and this whatever ones belief system is. It is a major issue with all organized religions: humility and membership growth acquired without any "publicity". Unfortunately such a church/faith doesnt exist ... yet

one is free to get answers here and there but following no one in particular is essential for the soul.

Jesus Asks His Followers to Leave Everything Behind Luke 9: 57

[Santa]

http://www.texemarrs.com/052012/rabbis_love_mormons.htm
Texe Marrs Mormonism Proven to Be Zionism’s Trojan Horse Why the Jewish Rabbis Love the Mormon Church “And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.” — Revelation 13:11 “In 2009, five rabbis toured the Draper, Utah LDS (Mormon) Temple. One of the rabbis, a 75-year old who has been doing interfaith work for 50 years, removed his yarmulke (skull cap) while in the celestial room and said, it was the holiest place he had ever been in. Things like that are happening all over the world... There is a genuine Mormon-Jewish connection... Mormons who deal with Jews really have a profound appreciation for their own doctrines, temples, etc.” — Mark Paredes National Outreach Director, Zionist Organization of America (A Jew and a Mormon) Deseret News (Jan. 7, 2011) America and the nations of this planet are now witnessing the most remarkable politico-religious dramas in the history of the world. Few people, however, possess the wisdom of discernment given only by God, and so the vast majority miss it entirely. They are the deaf and the dumb who can neither see nor understand, and so they are doomed to become victims of an approaching tsunami of horror. I can see and hear the thundering roar of the tsunami wave as it approaches. I’ll do my best to describe what is now transpiring. He who has ears to hear, let him hear. The Rise of the Beast Kingdom For over 150 years Satan has carefully built up his earthly beast kingdom. Its centerpiece is Zionism, and the physical Judaic nation-state is the very eye of the beast, spiritually located in its forehead, which the Hindus call the “ajna.” This Judaic nation-state has its political and economic apparatus in Tel Aviv, London, Washington, D.C., and New York. Its spiritual capital is, however, earthly Jerusalem, with religious offshoots in Rome (the Vatican), New York (Judaism), Nashville (evangelical Zionists), San Francisco (Wicca and New Age), and Salt Lake City (Mormons). Bible prophecy speaks, then, of Mystery, Babylon the Great encompassing the whole globe. This is World Jewry, the whore of Babylon, and yet the whore has many daughters. These many daughters fornicate with the beast (the Jewish serpent) and give the beast power and strength. Mormon Church a Whorish Daughter Trojan Horse Mitt Romney Mormonism is a Trojan Horse of global Zionism, and Mitt Romney is the perfect tool of Zionist interests. One of these notorious and whorish daughters of the beast is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS), also called the Mormons. Now the genius of the Mormons is that while this church is thoroughly Zionist and Judaic, it has all the artificial trappings of a false Christianity. The Mormon Church, some fifteen million strong, comes complete with a counterfeit New Testament (The Book of Mormon), a counterfeit “Jesus,” and it even teaches of a coming, earth-based “New Jerusalem.” In reality, the Mormon Church, currently headquartered in Salt Lake City, Utah, is nothing less than an anti-Christian, blasphemous arm of World Jewry. It is a Judaic cult. As such, the Jewish rabbis cooperate fully with the Salt Lake City religious elite in helping the Mormons achieve their earthly goals. Indeed, the real goal of the Mormon church is to exalt physical Israel as God’s Chosen People and to establish a Hebrew-led global empire. At the helm of that empire, the Mormons believe, will be a Hebrew King. Joseph Smith, Founder of the LDS Church. Below is the LDS Temple in Salt Lake City, Utah. Joseph Smith LDS Temple in Salt Lake City, Utah In sum, Mormonism is Judaism, and Judaism is Mormonism. But there is more. The Mormon Church is a Masonic creation. Its founder, Joseph Smith, was a Freemason, and its rituals and doctrines are essentially Masonic. Likewise, Freemasonry is itself a Judaic cult which honors the Jewish Kabbala as its doctrinal and ritualistic source. And thus we arrive at another conclusion. Mormonism, Masonry, and Judaism are three integrated components, interlinked and inseparable. All three are antichrist in nature, and serpent-led in spiritual sustenance. They are Satan’s Zionist Army. Mormon (LDS) woman gives a sign in a LDS Church ritual ceremony. It is exactly the same as that of Freemasonry, as proven by this excerpt from page 17 of Duncan’s Masonic Ritual and Monitor, illustrating the sign of an Entered Apprentice. Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon Church, borrowed many of his church’s signs, grips, symbols, and rituals from the Masonic Lodge. In fact, Smith was excommunicated by the Masons for having done so. (Photo of Mormon woman is from Mormonism, Masonry and Godhood, by Dr. Cathy Burns, Sharing Publishing, Mt. Carmel, Pennsylvania) The Real Jesus Has No Place in These Three Groups In Judaism, the name of Jesus is blasphemed and spat upon. In Freemasonry, the name of Jesus is never honored, and it is made clear to Masons that Jesus is not God. In contrast, in the Mormon cult, “Jesus” is honored but—hold on!—the Mormon “Jesus” is not the Jesus of the New Testament. In order to seduce and deceive, the Mormons introduce to the masses “another Jesus” and “another gospel” (II Corinthians 11:4); in other words, a counterfeit. This counterfeit Jesus, say the founders of Mormonism and also today’s hierarchy in Salt Lake City, is only one of many millions of gods. The Mormon Jesus is said to be the “spiritual brother of Lucifer.” Indeed, someday, the Mormons teach, Lucifer will be redeemed and he, too, shall become a god. Jesus, the Mormons claim, was a mere man who “earned” his godhood, and so did the Father God worshipped by the Mormons. He, too, was once a man, and this Father—who resides on a star called “Kolob”—has many, many wives whom he sexually copulates with and produces countless more spiritual children, male and female. Each of these countless, male spiritual children will someday become a “god” over his very own star-planet. Jesus a Polygamist With Many Wives Thus, “Jesus,” whom the Mormons say is also a polygamist, is “god” only of planet earth, not of the whole universe. And the good news for Mormon males is that they, too, if faithful to the church founded by Mason, Joseph Smith, will earn for themselves their own star-planet, where they will reign as monarch, copulating happily with their harem of wives and producing even more little deities. This curious doctrine, incidentally, is central to the Mormon faith and has led one ex-Mormon to author a revealing, tell-all book entitled, The Godmakers. Jewish Rabbis Love the Mormon “Jesus” Can you imagine how pleased and ecstatic the fiendish Jewish rabbis are over the success of Mormonism? They are seeing a Judeo-Masonic cult steeped in kabbalistic doctrine and practices growing in numbers like frogs after a summer storm. The rabbis must stand in awe to see this Judeo-Masonic cult present the most outlandish and preposterous of counterfeit Jesuses, a “Jesus” stripped of His universal Deity and made out to be a sex-crazed pasha of his own female harem. The rabbis know that in their Talmud, the most holy book of Judaism, Jesus is labeled a blasphemer and a sexual magician and pervert. Oh the joy they must experience to discover that in the Mormon cult, Jesus is described as a minor god of one teensy planet out of trillions in the galaxy and that this minor deity, Jesus, is said to have been produced by the sex act between Mary and the Father God in Kolob. This is a cosmic joke that the rabbis must gleefully relish. It’s enough to cause the Hasidic Jews in black garb and cobra curls dangling from under their weird black hats to hold hands and dance like whirling dervishes. “Oy vey, I love that Mormon Jesus,” the rabbis scream out in ecstasy. “He’s almost as depraved as the Talmudic Jesus we Jews love to hate,” they cry out, doubling over with laughter. Deseret News: Mormons and Jews share theological connections In Deseret News Jan. 7, 2011), an official publication of the LDS General Conference, Mark Paredes, a high-ranking official of both the Zionist Organization of America and the American Jewish Congress, spoke of the theological connections of Mormons and Jews. Paredes was baptized a member of the LDS (Mormon) Church at age 11 and served as a Mormon Missionary to Italy. An Anti-Jesus So what we have here in Mormonism is a form of anti-Jesus. And now, a man firmly believing in this Judaic-approved anti-Jesus is very close to becoming President of the United States of America, the world’s premier superpower. Sadly, we are faced with a Hobson’s Choice in voting for President of the United States. We know that a Barack Obama elected for a second term will result in a Communist takeover of America. On the other hand, a Romney presidency would be equally disastrous. Whether we end up with Obama or Romney, the Illuminist goals I warn of in my new DVD, Die America Die! will be fully implemented. Republicans are being led to believe that a Mitt Romney as President will rescue us from evil. But if and when Mitt Romney assumes the mantle of President, the U.S.A. will be crowning with glory the Zionist Despot whom the Protocols of Zion heralded would bring all the nations together in a New World Order. On January 20, 2013, a lovely First Lady at his side, a Mormon pseudo-Jew, honored by millions as the King of the New Jerusalem, could be sworn into office. The Trojan Horse is Rolled Into Place And then, the great Trojan Horse of Zionism will be rolled into position. From its bowels will come the black plague of Satanic Judaism: Mormons, Jews, and Masons, hand-in-hand, ready to fulfill their Master’s desires. The Oroboros serpent will have encircled the world and the star of Revelation will have taken his key to the bottomless pit and unleashed Abaddon and his minions to do their great, but terrible, work. The Zionist shill, Mitt Romney, on behalf of the Mormon daughter of the Jewish whore of Babylon, will sit on the throne of global power and rule from the White House in Washington, D.C. May God have mercy on us all.

[Spectrism]

Janadele... anybody supporting whatever church empire, ultimately buying influence, is deeply wrong. Empires are man-made. God's church can only exist withing us, and this whatever ones belief system is. It is a major issue with all organized religions: humility and membership growth acquired without any "publicity". Unfortunately such a church/faith doesnt exist ... yet

one is free to get answers here and there but following no one in particular is essential for the soul.

Jesus Asks His Followers to Leave Everything Behind Luke 9: 57

That is not the message of that scripture. The message is to put Messiah first if you are to follow Him. If you take it literally, you will forever be leaving people and things behind. And if literal, you will never stop running from things. No. His message, as to the rich man who was told to sell everything and give to the poor, gets to the root of our ensnarements. What is holding us back from embracing the Messiah? That is what we leave behind.

[singular_me]

That is not the message of that scripture. The message is to put Messiah first if you are to follow Him. If you take it literally, you will forever be leaving people and things behind. And if literal, you will never stop running from things. No. His message, as to the rich man who was told to sell everything and give to the poor, gets to the root of our ensnarements. What is holding us back from embracing the Messiah? That is what we leave behind.

you take it to an extreme level, Spectrism... I was referring to monopoly/empire religions. There are many quotes in the bible saying that the Church of God is within. I have no time to search. But I am sure almost all christians know them by heart

edit:
I am following this thread every day and got the urge to say this. I am just venting against "empire building", and feel relieved now :)

have no plan to keep posting, trust me. How many posts of mine did you find in this thread? I think I posted 5 or 6 times.

[Spectrism]

you take it to an extreme level, Spectrism... I was referring to monopoly/empire religions. There are many quotes in the bible saying that the Church of God is within.

Within what? Not every person. It is only in those in whom it is in! The bible is many things and one of them is a book of instruction. If you are being instructed to drive a car straight ahead, literal straight ahead is sure to take you off the road. You must understand the meaning of straight ahead as remaining on the road without turns. The road, however, has minor turns and curves.

[Janadele]

singular-me, within our mortal body is our Spiritual body, but the veil of forgetfulness has been drawn to enable us to participate in this earthly trial.

The knowledge of the Universes and other eternal matters is indeed within us, according to the level of righteousness and intelligence we have achieved in our pre mortal existance.

Structional organisation is however also required. The Lord instructs His leaders to guide and direct us, and it is they to whom revelations of His will are given. Scriptures are for our benefit and learning. Chapels for instructions, social interaction and support. Temples for eternal ordinances and higher instruction. The Lord's House is a house of order. We need not seek for our salvation alone.

[singular_me]

Janadele and Spectrism, I find truth everywhere... Bible included but luckily not exclusively.

however

Jesus said "the Kingdom of God is within you" in Luke 17:21

I am sure that I could find many verses like this one but have to time to search. In fact, when one reads textbooks, selective reading is common. I do this too. People will mainly recall what fits their mindset. That's is why works like the Bible do not really unify people as everybody will retain his own interpretation of it.

am outta here now

[Janadele]

Luke 17:
36 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord, shall they be taken.

37 And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is gathered; or, in other words, whithersoever the saints are gathered, thither will the eagles be gathered together; or, thither will the remainder be gathered together.

38 This he spake, signifying the gathering of his saints; and of angels descending and gathering the remainder unto them; the one from the bed, the other from the grinding, and the other from the field, whithersoever he listeth.

39 For verily there shall be new heavens, and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

[Janadele]

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/moses?lang=eng

1 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto Moses, saying: Behold, I reveal unto you concerning this heaven, and this earth; write the words which I speak. I am the Beginning and the End, the Almighty God; by mine Only Begotten I created these things; yea, in the beginning I created the heaven, and the earth upon which thou standest.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and I caused darkness to come up upon the face of the deep; and my Spirit moved upon the face of the water; for I am God.

3 And I, God, said: Let there be light; and there was light.

4 And I, God, saw the light; and that light was good. And I, God, divided the light from the darkness.

5 And I, God, called the light Day; and the darkness, I called Night; and this I did by the word of my power, and it was done as I spake; and the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And again, I, God, said: Let there be a firmament in the midst of the water, and it was so, even as I spake; and I said: Let it divide the waters from the waters; and it was done;

7 And I, God, made the firmament and divided the waters, yea, the great waters under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament, and it was so even as I spake.

8 And I, God, called the firmament Heaven; and the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And I, God, said: Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and it was so; and I, God, said: Let there be dry land; and it was so.

10 And I, God, called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters, called I the Sea; and I, God, saw that all things which I had made were good.

11 And I, God, said: Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, the fruit tree yielding fruit, after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed should be in itself upon the earth, and it was so even as I spake.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, every herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed should be in itself, after his kind; and I, God, saw that all things which I had made were good;

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And I, God, said: Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven, to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and for years;

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth; and it was so.

16 And I, God, made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night, and the greater light was the sun, and the lesser light was the moon; and the stars also were made even according to my word.

17 And I, God, set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And the sun to rule over the day, and the moon to rule over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness; and I, God, saw that all things which I had made were good;

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And I, God, said: Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl which may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And I, God, created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind; and I, God, saw that all things which I had created were good.

22 And I, God, blessed them, saying: Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the sea; and let fowl multiply in the earth;

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And I, God, said: Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping things, and beasts of the earth after their kind, and it was so;

25 And I, God, made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and cattle after their kind, and everything which creepeth upon the earth after his kind; and I, God, saw that all these things were good.

26 And I, God, said unto mine Only Begotten, which was with me from the beginning: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and it was so. And I, God, said: Let them have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 And I, God, created man in mine own image, in the image of mine Only Begotten created I him; male and female created I them.

28 And I, God, blessed them, and said unto them: Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And I, God, said unto man: Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in the which shall be the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein I grant life, there shall be given every clean herb for meat; and it was so, even as I spake.

31 And I, God, saw everything that I had made, and, behold, all things which I had made were very agood; and the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

[freespirit]

Since you refuse to answer my questions and it is obvious that more often than not, your posts amount to nothing more than religi-spam, I'm gonna put you on my ignore list.

I have wasted enough time reading your regurgitated mormonisms.

[Janadele]

What is light? In this three-part series, Elder David A. Bednar discusses how we receive and perceive light from God. Part 1 centers on the properties of light and how the Light of Christ affects all men and women everywhere.
http://www.lds.org/pages/mormon-messages?lang=eng

[Janadele]

Mormon.org is now available in 20 languages, meaning 90 percent of the Internet-using world can now learn more about the Church in their native language.

Mormon.org is available in the following languages:Armenian, Cebuano, Chinese, Dutch, English, French,German, Indonesian, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Latvian,Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Swedish, Tagalog,Thai, and Ukrainian.

The different language versions were launched between July 9 and August 30, 2012, and may be accessed by clicking on the language link at the bottom left of the site.

http://www.lds.org/church/news/mormonorg-now-available-in-20-languages?lang=eng

[BrewTech]

^^ ^^

If the above post doesn't qualify as "spam/advertising message", I don't know what does.

[Santa]

It's like Amway for the spiritually befuddled. Try Janedelle's Old Timey Demon Scrub. USD approved and guaranteed by the LDS to be the Best Demon scrub on the market. Buy it now for only $6.66.... :)

[Dogman]

It's like Amway for the spiritually befuddled. Try Janedelle's Old Timey Demon Scrub. USD approved and guaranteed by the LDS to be the Best Demon scrub on the market. Buy it now for only $6.66.... :)

Something like this?

http://theoldentimes.com/kid-liver-cure_2.jpg

[Santa]

Haha, yeah. Just rename it Janadelle's Safe Demon Cure. Made from a simple Mormon leaf of little known value.

[BrewTech]

Mormon.org is now available in 20 languages, meaning 90 percent of the Internet-using world can now learn more about the Church in their native language.

Mormon.org is available in the following languages:Armenian, Cebuano, Chinese, Dutch, English, French,German, Indonesian, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Latvian,Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Swedish, Tagalog,Thai, and Ukrainian.

The different language versions were launched between July 9 and August 30, 2012, and may be accessed by clicking on the language link at the bottom left of the site.

http://www.lds.org/church/news/mormonorg-now-available-in-20-languages?lang=eng

If this had been Janadele's first post after joining, she would have been permabanned immediately as a spammer.

Now that she is closing in on 300, posts of this nature are ok? What changed?

There is a difference between discussion of a subject and copy/paste spamming with the intent to promote a business. The LDS is a for-profit business... the more members they have, the more money they make. It's a pyramid scheme, and Janadele is using this forum as an advertising platform.

[Santa]

If this had been Janadele's first post after joining, she would have been permabanned immediately as a spammer.

Now that she is closing in on 300, posts of this nature are ok? What changed?

There is a difference between discussion of a subject and copy/paste spamming with the intent to promote a business. The LDS is a for-profit business... the more members they have, the more money they make. It's a pyramid scheme, and Janadele is using this forum as an advertising platform.

Yeah, but this silly stupid thread has over 16,000 views... How is that even possible? Aside from a few posters poking it with a little sarcasm,
where are all the views coming from?

[Janadele]

Just because something does not suit nor agree with their way of thinking the above posters call foul and attempt to stifle opposing beliefs with off topic bigoted hate filled intollerant nonsense . Such posters should go haunt other threads instead.

[freespirit]

If this had been Janadele's first post after joining, she would have been permabanned immediately as a spammer.

Now that she is closing in on 300, posts of this nature are ok? What changed?

There is a difference between discussion of a subject and copy/paste spamming with the intent to promote a business. The LDS is a for-profit business... the more members they have, the more money they make. It's a pyramid scheme, and Janadele is using this forum as an advertising platform.

I bet if you look over her posts you will find about 80% of them are religi-spam, the other 20% Romney-spam and I doubt any of them contain anything close to an original thought that is not some type of insult to the members or the forum in general.

This troll should have been banned on day one.

[Janadele]

What is the connection between light and revelation? In part 3 of this three-part series, Elder David A. Bednar explains the patterns of light by which God communicates with us and how they lead to the spirit of revelation.
http://www.lds.org/pages/mormon-messages?lang=eng#patterns-of-light-spirit-of-revelation

For part two see the thread: Just some of the PROPHECIES from/of Christian Scriptures being fulfilled in our day.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?63221-Just-some-of-the-PROPHECIES-from-of-Christian-Scriptures-being-fulfilled-in-our-day&p=573496#post573496

[StackerKen]

If this had been Janadele's first post after joining, she would have been permabanned immediately as a spammer.

Now that she is closing in on 300, posts of this nature are ok? What changed?

There is a difference between discussion of a subject and copy/paste spamming with the intent to promote a business. The LDS is a for-profit business... the more members they have, the more money they make. It's a pyramid scheme, and Janadele is using this forum as an advertising platform.


Great points! If she is Not dialog-ing with anyone here (i havent looked) and she is telling folks not to post in her thread...what the heck is she doing here?

Jana? Why are you here? :)

[freespirit]

Great points! If she is Not dialog-ing with anyone here (i havent looked) and she is telling folks not to post in her thread...what the heck is she doing here?

Jana? Why are you here? :)

don't hold your breath, Ken... she is not known for responding to such direct questioning...

[Janadele]

...

Many of you and even the administrator come onto this thread with vile language and pretend to champion free speech.... and when you read the slightest "religious" thing on the general forum, you want it banished to the religious sub-forum. YOU ARE HYPOCRITES!

And Janadele is right.... your language is filthy.

... The children here who get to use their potty-mouths in place of decent discussion prove they are inept.



Everybody here is pitching something.... We have a fair number of atheists here who are trying to teach us the benefits of denying there is a God and that the only moral principle is what is commonly accepted today. We have gold sellers, silver sellers, end of the world sellers, anti-jew sellers, pro-Russian sellers, muslim sellers, new age religion sellers, prepper sellers, etc. I am in a few of those. So what?

I don't think anyone who comes into this forum should be spoken to like I wouldn't even talk to a skank whore on a filthy street corner.... And we pride ourselves in our freedoms. Are we really free when we are afraid to combat beliefs and religious nuts in decent language?

... all you have to do is ignore her if this is not your bag. Why should anyone lower themselves to become ghetto scum in hopes of dissuading someone they think is a troll? J has been nothing but cordial in all the posts I read....

We are soon to enter some very desperate days. There is no time for this small-minded stuff. Time is too short.


... What is our goal? To become an inbred batch of non-thinkers? There are threads that I don't post in... here and elsewhere. Sometimes its because I agree and all that I know to say has already been said. At other times it is because I disagree and don't see an accepting atmosphere willing to hear another point of view.



Spectrism, I'm glad you are back posting, and I agree with this statement. I've posted about the "group think" atmosphere here as well. We are all individuals. As individuals, we all have our own life experiences, and opinions...and collectively, we help build this forum to what it is.

You take that away, you have nothing. Just a bunch of folks, patting each other on the back, saying "I agree..."

We should be sure to encourage folks, to post, freely, even if we don't agree with them. I think this forum is too hard on Janadele too. I keep out of the religious threads, but lot's of harsh words towards her, yet she responds without insults. I recall asking her a straight up question, on mormonism, and she answered my question directly. That goes a long way with me, same as looking folks in the eye when talking to them. We shouldn't be so hard on her, even if folks don't agree. My two bits.

[Neuro]

Great points! If she is Not dialog-ing with anyone here (i havent looked) and she is telling folks not to post in her thread...what the heck is she doing here?

Jana? Why are you here? :)
She won't answer you, so I answer for her, based on my impression of her posts.

1) She is here to recruit members to the Mormon business.
2) She is here to promote Mitt Romney.
3) She is not allowed to engage in discussion re the above, just Spam.
4) She is here to create discord within the membership!

[StackerKen]

She won't answer you, so I answer for her, based on my impression of her posts.

1) She is here to recruit members to the Mormon business.
2) She is here to promote Mitt Romney.
3) She is not allowed to engage in discussion re the above, just Spam.
4) She is here to create discord within the membership!

#4 was here long before she came.. :)..just saying.....But Yeah..I see where you are coming from ;)

[Janadele]

The first principle of the Eternal Gospel is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. With faith comes trust: Trust in God's will, trust in His way of doing things, and trust in His timetable. The most important of all the decisions in our lives is to do the right thing. Almost equally important is to do the right thing at the right time.

[zap]

Please ban her it already!

[Janadele]

:D Darkness cannot abide light.

[Neuro]

:D Darkness cannot abide light.
You really must call GoD. He will do you...
... a ton of good!
666-lovepound

[freespirit]

:D Darkness cannot abide light.

Logic cannot abide idiocy.

[Gaillo]

^^ ^^

If the above post doesn't qualify as "spam/advertising message", I don't know what does.


She won't answer you, so I answer for her, based on my impression of her posts.

1) She is here to recruit members to the Mormon business.
2) She is here to promote Mitt Romney.
3) She is not allowed to engage in discussion re the above, just Spam.
4) She is here to create discord within the membership!


Please ban her it already!


Yep.

This is LONG overdue!

Janadele, while undoubtably one of the most hilarious trolls/spammers this forum has ever seen, has unfortunately worn out her "welcome" at this point. I've read this entire thread (what a pathetic waste of time THAT was!) and have seen no attempt on her part to post an original thought, post anything but religious spam, and refuse to answer even the most clear, simple questions from our members.

I'm instituting a 1 month ban, and recommending a perma-ban in the "back room".

[Gaillo]

OK, folks...

This is what was decided in the "back room" between JQP, madfranks, and myself.

Janadele will be allowed to come back after the 30 day ban, subject to these conditions:

1. She cannot be here to spam the board with mormon ideology; If she does discuss mormonism, she should be prepared to engage in critical analysis, and not feel that she can just lecture the members.

2. It is strongly suggested that she spend some time in other threads getting to know the members, and letting them get to know her as a person, not just as an evangelist.

If she cannot abide by these requests, she will be perma-banned.

We discussed closing this thread, but decided that it might be of some use to members who want to discuss Mormonism, so it will remain open for now.

[freespirit]

good job, guys...

imo, that seems more than fair.

[Santa]

I've come to believe that evil Ziomormocons have secretly been building billions of taxpayer funded Rombots on a far off
planet, probably next door to Kolob, and shipping them here to take over the world with.

[Janadele]

Posters would be wise to cease to subvert mens' souls, pervert the truth, and handle the words of God deceitfully.

Betake instead the understanding of it.

Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits, prove them, and learn whether they be God-like, and, if so, receive those spirits, but, if not, reject them; for whatsoever is not of God is evil.

The Lord has said “My sheep know my voice” ....

Mosiah 6:10–13.
John 10:1–15.
John 21:15–17.
Isaiah 40:10–11.

Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.

[Horn]

Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.

In that case, take a look at all the responses on thread, Janadario.

[singular_me]

Replies: 803
Views: 19,703

humans are addicted to conflicts... on all levels of spectrum.

[Neuro]

Replies: 803
Views: 19,703

humans are addicted to conflicts... on all levels of spectrum.
Yeah I agree this thread was a dozy, until ole Nebula Eye decided to butt in!

[Janadele]

Silence in the face of evil is itself evil, does not refer to evil responses.


In that case, take a look at all the responses on thread, Janadario.

[Horn]

Silence in the face of evil is itself evil, does not refer to evil responses.

Now you're simply not being truthful.

The bulk of the messages are heavily weighted in favor of goodness, shed upon thee.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGX-xunT6Vk

[Gaillo]

Posters would be wise to cease to subvert mens' souls, pervert the truth, and handle the words of God deceitfully.

Betake instead the understanding of it.

Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits, prove them, and learn whether they be God-like, and, if so, receive those spirits, but, if not, reject them; for whatsoever is not of God is evil.

The Lord has said “My sheep know my voice” ....

Mosiah 6:10–13.
John 10:1–15.
John 21:15–17.
Isaiah 40:10–11.

Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.

Alrighty then.

I had a rooster once, he figured out how to get over the fence into the other coop so he could tangle with the other rooster. Got his ass kicked so bad he was barely alive when I pulled him out of the other rooster's coop, it took me 3 weeks to nurse him back to health so he could be re-introduced back to his own hens. Found him dead, in the other rooster's coop 2 days later... you guessed it, right back over the fence to mix it up with the other rooster at the first opportunity.

You, Janadele, seem to resemble that rooster... back after a 1 month ban and right back to the Mormon scripture quoting, lecturing, and religious spamming, despite the warning and generosity of JQP who let you stay provided you followed 2 simple conditions. You were not even able to do that.

Goodbye. Just like that poor stubborn rooster, there will be no third chance for you.

Perma'ed.

[osoab]

Alrighty then.

I had a rooster once, he figured out how to get over the fence into the other coop so he could tangle with the other rooster. Got his ass kicked so bad he was barely alive when I pulled him out of the other rooster's coop, it took me 3 weeks to nurse him back to health so he could be re-introduced back to his own hens. Found him dead, in the other rooster's coop 2 days later... you guessed it, right back over the fence to mix it up with the other rooster at the first opportunity.

You, Janadele, seem to resemble that rooster... back after a 1 month ban and right back to the Mormon scripture quoting, lecturing, and religious spamming, despite the warning and generosity of JQP who let you stay provided you followed 2 simple conditions. You were not even able to do that.

Goodbye. Just like that poor stubborn rooster, there will be no third chance for you.

Perma'ed.

Don't really understand this decision Gaillo. She posted in her own thread that is in the religious section.

Heck, she is the first one to post in this thread since she was banned.

[beefsteak]

Gaillo, did she EVER post anything to do with Gold or Silver? I've had her on iggy for so long I'd forgotten about her, until her thread popped up in active list today.

[Spectrism]

I don't agree with a whole bunch of the mormon stuff either, but she was keeping to the rules of the forum. Spam? I don't think so. I feel bad for the gal and hope she comes to a knowledge of the truth. I don't think she was treated fairly here. There are atheists that permeate this whole forum with their religion. Most are secular humanists and that religion is worse than mormonism. When you get right down to it, I would suppose everyone here has some form of "religion" or belief system that shapes their words. When you ban someone like Jana, all are at risk. I see no adherence to principle in this.

[freespirit]

I think Gaillo did the right thing. Sure there are lots of members with various views on religion, but they are capable of actually discussing it rather than simply copy/paste every other page from the bible.

[Gaillo]

Alright folks,

Short memories here. If you go back one page in this thread (Post #800), you will see that at the time Janadele was banned, it was VERY CLEARLY spelled out for her what would be required to stay on this forum. This was mutually decided upon by all the mods, with the majority of the input coming from JQP himself. ALL that was asked of her was that she spend time in other forum sections getting to know us all, and that she stop with the mormon religious lecturing posts.

She comes back from the ban, goes immediately to this thread, and starts lecturing us again and pulling up scripture from the book of "Mosiah", whatever that is, and talks down to us as misleaders of the righteous or workers of darkness or some such BS.

She was banned, warned, and yet continued with the same behavior. Enough.

P.S. osoab, I'm sick of your shit. The VERY NEXT time you start riding me about a decision I've made around here, I'm going to reverse one I've made and happily oblige you in your wish for an account deletion, as YOU requested. Don't test my resolve... you'll find out just how much of a man of my word I am.

[DMac]

Folks don't seen to get janadele was working the forum. Do some healthy searching on the net for that username and enjoy the Mormon spam she fills boards and blogs with, going back years. Could even be a bot for all you know.

Personally, I am so tired of the holier than thou hypocritical bullshit several posters enjoy blasting the forum with, for years now.

[osoab]

Alright folks,

Short memories here. If you go back one page in this thread (Post #800), you will see that at the time Janadele was banned, it was VERY CLEARLY spelled out for her what would be required to stay on this forum. This was mutually decided upon by all the mods, with the majority of the input coming from JQP himself. ALL that was asked of her was that she spend time in other forum sections getting to know us all, and that she stop with the mormon religious lecturing posts.

She comes back from the ban, goes immediately to this thread, and starts lecturing us again and pulling up scripture from the book of "Mosiah", whatever that is, and talks down to us as misleaders of the righteous or workers of darkness or some such BS.

She was banned, warned, and yet continued with the same behavior. Enough.

P.S. osoab, I'm sick of your shit. The VERY NEXT time you start riding me about a decision I've made around here, I'm going to reverse one I've made and happily oblige you in your wish for an account deletion, as YOU requested. Don't test my resolve... you'll find out just how much of a man of my word I am.

Sick of my shit? I wasn't riding your ass. I typed I didn't get the reason for the perma. A simple statement.

Since you brought up the topic, why are we not allowed to question your actions or those of JQP or madfranks? Is their anything in the board rules that states mods actions cannot be questioned? Let me know. If there is, I will refrain.

I had never seen post 800. When she got the one month boot is when I got my two week boot. I stayed completely away from the board for 2 weeks and only read it as an observer for the next week. I had no clue why she was booted or there were restrictions placed on the broad. I am guessing I wasn't the only one that had not seen JQP's conditions or what post they would be in.

Oh,FYI Gaillo, reread my thread from a few weeks ago. I didn't ask for an account deletion. I asked for an account suspension. Something along the lines OHL had was my line of thinking.

Gaillo, if ya feel like it, pm me. I am tired of clogging the board with the back and forth. I just thought it was a board issue, and was a valid point discussion. I would have typed the same thing if it was madfranks or JQP.

...

DMac, we all knew she was a magic underwear troll. Chad had her outed on the first day. It was fun throwing it back into her face, if she would respond. I still have no reason to believe that the chick, if she was, was going to turn the whole board into Mitten lovers.

She was a harmless bug in a world of big feet is how I saw her.

[freespirit]

...and ultimately got stepped on.

[osoab]

...and ultimately got stepped on.

touche

[Old Herb Lady]

ohhhhh let it gooooo people.......even I know when to shut up and listen even if I don't want to. She didn't.
Has she made any other threads/points here besides the Mormonism/Romney stuff ? Come on !
A warning is a warning. She pushed it, IMO. Unanimous decision, not just Gaillo's !!
Peace be with her.

[Horn]

Is there such a thing as anti-statist spamming?

If so, I'm guilty.

Though I will answer if questioned about my underwear...

[Spectrism]

OK.. fair enough. Jana did not engage in the forum and was like a robot posting without reasoning.

[Old Herb Lady]

Is there such a thing as anti-statist spamming?

If so, I'm guilty.

Though I will answer if questioned about my underwear...


Huh ? Magical Boxers or Briefs then ? LOL !!! ;D

[PatColo]

Recall I was interested to see what she was about those first few days, & welcomed her.

But her pattern of dismissing any question or observation critical of LDS, with some variation of an "anti-Mormon" label (see #201 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62718-The-Church-of-Jesus-Christ-of-Latter-day-Saints-Pro-thread-G-Rated&p=562983&viewfull=1#post562983)), rather than actually addressing the question in plain english (quoting her spooky, duplicitous & unintelligible scriptures don't count...), grew very old very fast. In a word, very Jewy.

She was little more than an lds literature distribution bot, contributing nothing else to GSUS, and not even *rationally* addressing any questions which members posed-- just more spooky quotes & scoldings for being "anti-mormon". good riddance.

She should quit wasting time with lds, and just convert to jooodahism already, like Patrick "false flag" Clawson did,
Isreli lobbyist announces "we need a false flag to get Iran rolling" (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?63854-Isreli-lobbyist-announces-quot-we-need-a-false-flag-to-get-Iran-rolling-quot)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PfoaLbbAix0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PfoaLbbAix0

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Greetings and welcome to the forum, hopefully you have what it takes to grow here; tell your friends. Thank you for inviting us to ask you a question each about Mormonism.

For my question, I am wondering how you mentally reconcile supporting politicians who act wildly antithetical to the stated goals of your religion. Thanks for your time.


She thanked my post but never answered my question.

[freespirit]

She thanked my post but never answered my question.

i suspect the lack of response was due to an inability to answer the question truthfully. based upon your unanswered question, my own unanswered questions and those of some others, this seems to be the most likely explanation, imo...